June 8, 2023 • 37 mins
Devin and Carolina return to the classic high brow, mid brow, low brow segment where they recommend everything from helpful habits to tv shows to sex tips to how not to talk about the year 2020 at parties. Plus , of course, recaps of the Vanderpump Rules reunion part 2 and The Ultimatum: Queer Love!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, I want.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hello and welcome with your romance. This is Carolina Barlow
and this is Devin Leary. Devin, where is your cat Cookie?
And why is she not attacking you?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Finally, for the first time ever, he's asleep while you record,
which he sorry, No, I think I think he's Cookie
is a feminine name, and I want you to know
that he's he's non binary. I think because they're non
binary because a lot of people presume that they're female.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I mean, I think he has kind of a male presence,
as do I.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
By the way, right now, he's sleeping. It's so cute.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
He does this thing where he covers his eyes like
he like digs his face into his paws because he
wants to cover his eyes from the sunlight.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
So that's really free.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Well, that'd be so funny if that's how I slept too,
with my little hands over my eyes, like just getting cozy.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
My hands. Why that he's.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Waving his or they're waving their white flag and peace
has descended upon your household.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
They're waving their white flag and their pride flag. I think,
how has your week been?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Devin? Okay, let's just go into the.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Okay, okay, sorry, we don't know. I mean, can you
kick it off then?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Okay, So this week we're going to do our famed
and off forgot high brow, midbrow, low brow, many different options, afloat,
but I'll kick it off with my highbrow.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Oh are we starting highbrow? We can start low brow
if you want. You know what? You know what?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I am flexible okay, metaphorically, not literally, I'm a creaky
old woman.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Literally, yes, let's start with highbrow.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So My Highbrow is a show that I just came
upon this week and I cannot believe I haven't been
watching it sooner. It's called Somebody Somewhere on Max I
guess fucking Max.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I saw someone.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Post about it and said like they said that it
got renewed for another season and that like that. They
were like, this is a win because this is like
a small comedy and these kind of shows don't get
made a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
So I turned it on.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It's so gosh dang delightful and emotional and they're singing involved.
It's like basically the dark, grounded, small comedy version of
Glee in a weird way, and the characters are just
like really unique and I love it.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I fucking love it.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I love Bridget Everett so much, and I think she's
like a truly special person.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
She's very like vulnerable. She reminds you of Julian Moore,
where it's like the performances so like real and vulnerable
and like you just can't look away when when she's
on screen.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I remember seeing Jeff Hiller. He's the actor with the glasses,
the tall kay actor. I remember seeing him when I
was nineteen at perform at UCB, and he is such
a funny performer. He was one of the funniest like
UCB performers I'd ever seen. So it's just so cool
when talent rises to the top, because it's so rare
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that the most talented person in the room gets the
respect that they deserve. And so I think that that's
something that's really exciting about that show, is that all
this show deserves to be on air. It deserves the
season three and it's getting one and it doesn't. It's
not the Selena Gomez cooking show.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Oh my god. But I think that's really great. I
Bridget Everett.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
One of my favorite parts of Girls was when she
played Marnie's makeup artist for her wedding and kept them
talking about what a sweetheart's sleet of Gomez was. That
was really she was an absolute sweetheart. She also posted
a picture once on New Year's of her boobs in
a robe and she was like, Happy New Year's to
(04:08):
this robe that never stood a chance. Yeah, she's great. Okay,
what's yours? Okay, my highbrow gosh. I mean, now that
you said the TV show, I want to make a
shout out to Happy Valley with Oh yeah, is.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Burutal but so good.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I love a female cop show, even though acab. But
you know these aren't American police officers. These are in
I believe Island. How's that for acting? Where's my Emmy
for that Irish accent? I wanted to give a shout
out to Signal Return if you google Signal Return Prints.
(04:48):
It's a print shop in Detroit where I get some
of my favorite artwork. I actually need to stop shopping there,
and I put a pause on it because I own
so many prints from there. Devin I once went sent
Devvin Pictures and got a bunch of prints for her there.
But it's just a nice place to quote unquote collect
art when you don't have the money to collect art,
(05:09):
but it is art and it does make your home
both funny. There's funny prints, there's beautiful prints. They're all
extremely well made though, and I just got a huge
one that I honestly like. I could afford the print,
but I could not. I can't afford framing it yet,
so I'm going to frame it for my office, but
I'm very excited. There was a print of barbecue chips.
(05:31):
It was just a small print that but it was
a beautiful illustration of barbecue chips. And so that's what
I have my eye on right now. And it's just
a small business that I love. And I sometimes I
have a hard time with art because I like to
understand art, if that makes sense, and a lot of
times I don't. It's kind of like poetry in the
New Yorker, like I'm reading it, I'm not getting it.
I'm not getting it. And so I like art like
(05:54):
beautiful photographs. I love void photographs of horses, photographs of dogs.
That's the kind of art that I can really get
behind because I understand it. And that is the same
with signal or turn. They're prints that are I understand
why you would want to hang them in your home.
I understand the meaning of them, and yeah, it's it's
my favorite place to collect art. I will say one
of my favorite shops ever. Maybe my favorite shop, your
(06:16):
favorite shop. I also did get Devin for her birthday
last year two years ago, a miural of all the
Real Housewives and what was that from?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
There? No, that was from Etsy, but I love that.
I have it hanging in my room. But that was
primarily made for Devn Well.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I have been trying to make my own art recently,
and it's really a good way to pass the time
and to express what I think are like really deep emotions.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
But I did post a collage that.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I made on Instagram and someone messaged me that it
was brave of me to post that.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It's horrendously bad, So you know that's something I'm working through.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I have trouble with, like I can't stop adding things
like I just like am like all right, and then
like three more pictures of kittens, and then three more
pictures of stars and.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It's a little bit kindergarten level.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
But well, I haven't seen these clashes, And I don't know,
do you not use Instagram anymore? I use it sporadically Okay,
I get sucked in. In the words of Gia Tolantino,
it's like hitting my forehead with a hammer over and
over again. Sometimes, what do you do?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Delete the app or deactivate?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I delete the app off my phone for periods at
a time and just check my messages once in a while.
I want to say, though, that something I heard recently
from someone who was painting. They said, I'm not that good,
But why do we only have to do things if
we're amazing at them?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Sorry?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Say that without seeing your clashes, because I want you
to know. I'm not saying like, even though Devin's clashes
look like I think they don't do them.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
That's like, why if this makes me.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Feel good, If playing the piano makes me feel good,
if playing baby chords on a guitar makes me feel good,
I do neither. Why can I Why do I have
to wait until I'm amazing at it? If painting and
collajing makes me feel good and relaxed, it's like cooking.
I'm not that good of a cook, but I love cooking.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Why would I not do that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I also tried playing tennis yesterday for about fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Well, that's insane.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
And no, but it was really fun and also like
I was horrible at it, but you have to do it.
You have to do these things with the right audience
and the right people and with friends who won't judge
you or be competitive, Like I can't. Being around competitive
people is really triggering for me because I'm not competitive
at all.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
It is for me too. I'm just like, okay, this
none of this actually matters. Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
It's like when I went to a friend had like
a murder mystery birthday party, and like we got there
and I was like, oh cool, Like we dress in
like it's circus theme, like oh, we're like a slutty
circus outfit. And then we get there and they're like
giving out cards and they're like this is your character
and this is you have to find out that.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I was like, wait, I don't feel like doing that.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I just want to talk to people and like maybe
hook up with someone like I don't really care about
like being method as like a fucking circus lion tamer,
Like I don't care about this. And so then like
I was just kind of hanging by the wayside aka
smoking cigarettes outside, and then the people who the person
who like figured out mystery. A grown adult was like, yes, yes,
(09:31):
I got it, and I'm like evacuate, Like what what
does this do for you?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
What? What's missing?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I I have that instinct, even when it's low grade competitiveness,
like I told you would only take twenty minutes to
get there. Yeah, I want to be like, no, I'm
not engaging with that behavior.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Oh my god, I hate that so much. It's like
or when someone's like when someone you know what I hate?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
You know what I fucking hate?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And yes I was guilty of this in like high
school and may maybe early twenties, when someone has to
loudly prove that they know every lyric to the song,
like the song comes on in the car or the
bar or something, and someone's like pointedly being like, cause
the remedy is that experience. It is a dangerous liaison
sn and it's like, okay, I get it. You know
every word? Like got it? It reminds you of like
(10:19):
these girls in high school that memorize every word to
fer Delicious and then they would like pointedly sing.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
It at dances and stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And I was like, I know, you guys sat with
YouTube and memorize every lyric and anyone can do that.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Actually, anyone could do that. It was the Nicki minajiars
were big for that too.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yes, oh my god, the Monster Verse. Yeah, the white
girls who knew the Monster Verse or really any Nikki
song need to examine things.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Pencils down, pencils well, and you know who's one of them.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I think there's like a famous was it like Adele
or Kelly Clarkson or someone like Taylor I think did.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
The Monster Verse?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Oh, I know that Taylor and Selina were really into
that at the time. Which listen, worry what if I
keep talking about tweena, I'm gonna get docs?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
But what do you mean You know that they were
really into that because they.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Were posting videos of themselves wrapping to starships.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Okay, well, I would like to see receipts on that,
and you better provide them if you want to ever
be accepted by Beth Jacob's Cohen Again.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I know friend of the Pod, Beth Jacobs Cohen is
somewhere sharpening her knives listening to this. She's somewhere putting
a mysterious white powder and an envelope and putting my
address on it. Let's do midbrow this is tough because
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it's tough because when is midbrow?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
But I actually think I nailed it. Okay, I'm really competitive. No,
you're being competitive, and that's okay.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Fuck.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I wanted to do one, and now I realize, like
it's actually offensive, so I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I'm so concerned about what that could have been. Well,
because I just started before this podcast.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I just started watching Shiny Happy People Dougger Family Secrets,
and I wanted to do that as my high brow
because it's really fucking good. But now I took my
highbrow with something that I can't remember now, but so now,
but to say it's mid, it's not mid, it's it's high,
(12:26):
I would say mid.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
No, it can't be mid.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
It can't. It cannot be mid. The trauma of the
Dougger family cannot be mid, like it is beyond.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I would say midbrow is.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Any Okay, I have my midbrow, and I'm using midbrow
as a term in a way of like that is
so mid basic base level.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Let's get rid of that. Not like mid brow, like, eh,
this was fine. Mid to me is.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Any discussion of the era in time where we wore
masks outside.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Do not ever bring that up to me. Do not
ever talk to me recommendations.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
What was no this is. This is a recommendation of
what not to do. Do not bring up the era
of time when people were still wearing masks outside, when
when COVID was starting to go away. Okay, vaccine era, Okay,
I'll hear about that when it first happened.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
That's kind of interesting. It was a crisis in history,
the era.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Of time where we accepted a life where we wore
surgical masks outdoors.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I do not ever want to think about that again.
I don't want to hear about that again. Nothing happened,
Time melted into one. It was hell.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
It was the worst possible scenario. The worst possible scenario
is to accidentally see a photo in your featured iPhone
photos of yourself in a surgical mask outdoors.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
So miss I understand that, get rid of it, don't
need it. Moving on.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
There's a jacket that I wore during that period that
when I'm going through my closet, I.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Have a physical reaction to it, like I'm like ughh.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Because it was such an awful time. It wasn't because
we were wearing masks. It was because of the time period,
the time period. I agree, it'd be so funny to
come out now as an anti mask person and like, ah,
kids need to see each other smile. Please take away
masks in schools.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I actually had a dream last night that I was
hooking up with one of my ex boyfriends and that
like we hadn't seen each other since COVID obviously because
it's been years, and that he was like, I was
like saying something about unvaccinated people, like making fun of them.
That he was like, oh my god, I did not
do that, and I was like, wait, what, I didn't
get the vaccine, so that would.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Be of the anti vactor is a nightmare my mid
brow and this is perfectly mid I think. Is a
book that is one of those pop psychology books.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I love those. It's called Atomic Habits. I've downloaded that.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
So I started it. I'm thirty percent the way through.
And this is not the first time I recommended a
book without finishing it, and I've come to regret that sometimes.
For instance, when I recommended Whitney Cummings memoir and then
after recommending it, I was almost done with it when
she got to a chapter where she said that people
are over medicated and that people.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Don't need to be on meds. Oh no exactly, And
I was like, oh, I wish I could retract that recommendation.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
But Atomic Habits has really helped me think about habits coolarly,
it's number one on the iTunes bookstore or one of
the like top books that's downloaded. But what I like
about it is it talks about how people are have
been convinced that they don't have willpower, when really it's
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your environment that tells you what to do. So if
you live, you know, next to like only fast food places,
you're more likely to eat fast food. It doesn't mean
you have bad willpower. It means that nothing like good
is available to you, you know, if you live near
good restaurants but you can't afford them. Like again, it
doesn't mean that you're not healthy. It means that like
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you don't have access to these things. And basically talks
about like filling your home with like making your home
a good environment to support healthy habits. And it also talks,
which I thought was really interesting, about progress and how
most people think of progress as like a completely math
based just going up, up up, as soon as you
do good things. And it's like, actually, progress stays lateral
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for a really long time, a like horizontal for a
very long time, and then all of a sudden it
goes off like and goes the other word. So you
basically have to commit to doing things for a while
without seeing results before you will get results, which really
helps me because I'm very impatient. So there's a lot
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of insights that I really like from this book. It's comfortable.
It's not one of those books that's like beating you
up about not doing things, like, well, you have to
do it this way if you want to see it done.
It's more very practical, like, hey, maybe don't be on
your phone in bed if you have trouble sleeping, don't
even read in bed. Just make your bed a place
to sleep. I can literally fall asleep with my phone
in front of my face and like a music video playing,
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so that when I'm not going to.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Really take in but I do. He says.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
One of the things, one of the rules he practices
is one place, one purpose, even if you live in
like my desk is in my room and my room
is really small, I don't I shouldn't be sitting at
my desk if I'm not working and I shouldn't work
in bed. That is sort of what he's talking about.
So I'm very much enjoying it. I'm reading it very
slowly because I'm not kind of in the place where
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I'm very distracted easily.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
And that's that's another thing.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
He said, your phone is so distracting that it's hard
to do one thing on it because there's so many
things you can do on it.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Anyway, So I'm famous like that. There's so many things
you can do on your phone.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Famously, you can do a lot on those little iPhones
that people have. My modelings when I went through a breakup,
said you need to get an iPhone and she was right,
meaning like this will help you recover from your breakup.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
And I was like, what, she was right, I to
get rid of my BlackBerry. That's gonna help. And she
was right, you did have a BlackBerry for so long.
This is true.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Okay, low my favorite category, low low low, low, low brow.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
This is gonna be an easy one for me.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Although I kind of have the feeling about this that
I that I have, like every time I tweet something,
I have the immediate thought like, wait, haven't I tweeted
that exact same thing before.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
It's really weird.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I don't know, it's just a mental thing that I
guess is pretty unique about me.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
But that's how I.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Feel about this low brow I'm like, have I recommended
this before? But I recently turned on my TV a
little bit too early for vander Pump Rules, and I
happened to catch the tail end of Below Deck Sailing Yacht,
and I thought, now I've seen below Deck, and now
I've seen below Deck med but I have not yet
seen Below Deck Sailing Yacht. So I gave it a
(19:10):
look see and the first thing I see is two
people making out hot and heavy in a hot tub,
and I thought, I'm gonna need to be tuning.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
In here.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Well, And so again, now I've gone back, and I'm
so that was the current season, which is season four.
Now I'm on, I've caught all the way up to
season three. And the reason why this is what I've
understood why it's so good.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It's actually an exploration of.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
The capitalist system and oppression in a way. So the
structure of the show is there's the crew that works
below deck, and then there's the rich people who charter
the yacht, and.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
The first half of the episode.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Actually, I would say the first seventy five percent of
the episode is the blo low deck crew working soberly
and earnestly to serve these awful fucking rich people who
do terrible things such as try a gourmet omelet and
say I've had better food at a ballpark.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
My complain that.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
They were given buffalo wings at the beach, but they
first of all requesting buffalo wings from like a Italian
chef who is like a world class expert in fine foods,
requesting buffalo wings, and then complaining that they had to
put their buffalo wings bones back in the same bowl
instead of having a separate bowl. Like that's like the
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kind of stuff they deal with on a daily basis. Also,
an old woman who got spray tan all over the
like sixty thousand dollars couch in the yacht and then
lied about it and was like, I don't know what
that is and I wasn't sitting there. They cut the
footage of her sitting directly there and she's like, I
was never there, that never happened.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I love pathological liars on reality TV. Is it could
been a low brow for me, but it's a it's
a huge umbrella under which many fall.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Under, which many take shelter.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
So then after that part of the episode where you're
just watching these people be like oppressed by being in
service to these horrible rich people, then the charter ends
and Captain Glenn, a lovely endearing man, says, Okay, that
was like great, and here's like the tip, and now
you have the night off before tomorrow's charter. And these
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people go absolutely like bananas for a night. Like they
literally say like they're like I'm blacking out tonight. Who's
blacking out today? Blacking out tonight? Like because they're just
worked under it. It's like the worse the charter, the
more fucked up they get because they just had to
deal with that.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
It's literally they all make out with each other.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
They like one of the one of the chefs from
one of the seasons actually said she was like, wow,
night one was really girls gone wild because the girls
were all making out with each other at one point.
There there's these two girls who there's always romances every season,
like they end up like having like trysts with each other.
So one season there's these there's Ali and Danny, and
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they're both kind of like cooking up with JL and
Gary and there's a night where they all get drunk
and JL is like complaining about work and like just
being really boring, and Danny's like, Okay, I want to
have sex with you, and he's like okay, well, like
I'm talking to Gary right now, and she's like okay, Ali,
let's go, and she goes and has sex with Ali instead.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Wow. Amazing, wow wow. Literally it's like really giving me
in high school. By the way. It's amazing. It's so good.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
And they're like they're all making out with each other,
they're all and they show it, they actually show it,
like it's it's truly so fun. But it's also like
the release. And also there's these people are all so
good looking. Like in a way, I'm just like, this
is just like voyeurism. Like getting to watch hot people
make out in a hot tub is just like really
fun and that's like what TV should be in all
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that ways. So I really recommend it. It's storytelling. I really,
I have to say. It's women's stories. It's women's stories.
It's women in stem it's women in yachting, by the way,
it's women in yachting, which is a typically very male industry.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
So check it out. Give it a look.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I actually am going to give that a look. I'm
taking that recommendation to the bank.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I am going to watch that maybe even today. Yeah,
do it.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Devin has not led me wrong. In fact, it took
me a long time to, you know, to come to
her like like little Oliver Twist and say please, sir,
can I have some more? And she showed me bravo.
She showed me Southern charms. She showed me things that
became a part of my life. Part of my life
took over my life. My low brow and I say
lowbrow because it's sexual, and so it's not really about intellect.
(23:47):
It's more about pure sex, which is something that I've
talked to people about and I've talked to a few
women about, and I've heard people have the same experience.
But my lowbrow is pushing on your block during sex,
like pressing on your bladder with your hand. Devin looks
like she's about to cry. She looks so disgusted.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
It's upsetting. Why are you saying these.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Words, because it's something that if people are struggling having
an orgasm, it is really helpful because you are pressing
down on basically your g spot, which is under your bladder,
and the pressure under it will help you reach an
orgasm faster. I really do believe that this is like
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kind of sometimes the only way I can finish. And
I'm saying this because it feels like a secret. I
have so want to I want to wave that flag.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
That's interesting. How did you find that out? I honestly
can't remember.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I think I just instinctually did it once and then
was like, oh, this is an orgasm.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Wait, where's your bladder on your stomach?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
It's your bladder's next to your heart. Oh, it goes
up into your throat. Your bladder is like on your
basically like right above your vagina.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Interesting, Okay, this is like.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
When Devin had her mom write her out of health
class so she didn't have to watch the Miracle of Life.
Like she's slowly moving off the zoom camera.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I shouldn't have had to watch it, and I didn't
want to have to watch it, and I will never
regret that.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I think that we should recap two shows that mean
a lot to us.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Devin, how do you feel about the ultimatum?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
The ultimatum Queer Love is quite Frankly, all I can
think about right now.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
All I can think about is.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Mal and Yoli and whether they will end up together,
and also that I need Xander to leave Vanessa. So
I want I want Xander to leave Vanessa, but I
also want Yoli to stay with Mal, and Xander's way
of leaving Vanessa would be with Yoli.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
So it's just so complicated.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
It's interesting because the straight season of the Ultimatum was
so toxic. It actually at times felt like bad to
be watching. And as you know, like I watched that
feeling ninety Day Fiance, Single Life, like I'm I'm watching
feeling was probably how you felt. I'm watching shiny, happy people,
and I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess. I did watch
Nineteen Kids in Counting at one point and john and
(26:24):
Kate plus eight, and I actively defended one time when
I was like in middle school, I was watching Johnny
Kate plus A and my mom was like, ew, this woman,
Kate Goslin is like a bad mother, and I go, no,
she's not. The kids are really happy, like what anyway?
So that's me And yet I still found Ultimatum straight
season like disturbing. It was just like these couples who
(26:46):
hate each other and they like just wanted to have
sex with other people, and then like some of them
stayed together anyway, and there was like abusive dynamics and
just like fucking weird shit trauma ultimatum, queer love is
so it's almost like too therapized.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
They communicate so.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Well, all of these couples and every single couple, Like
I start out being like, Okay, this person I hate
and this person I love, and then by the end
I'm like, Okay, actually I love all of them, and
I want them all to be happy. That being said,
I don't want Vanessa to be happy. She is the
villain and she is fucking terrible and I cannot stand
her and she's just like fake and weird and full
of shit.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
And then everybody else, like Tiff.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I had a tough time at first with Tiff, and
then Tiff freaked out because her trial marriage partner Sam,
Oh my god, I knocked my computer with my foot.
Her trial marriage partner Sam didn't act like in love
enough with her dog, and Tiff like freaked out and
she's like, oh, you barely even looked at my dog.
(27:45):
You barely even look at her and I was like,
that is me with Cookie, Like honestly, I have a
picture of Cookie on my dating app profile and one
and it's like me on the couch with Cookie and
one guy message and was like, Cookie's gonna have to
make room for me, or your cat's gonna have to
make room for me.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
And I was like, talk to me that way, and
don't you animal that way?
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Walk right off this app and out off the fuck
the ocean, into the ocean, off the pirate ship fucking
board thing whatever that thing is called off.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
The plank the shipboard, so you can walk off the
pirate ship board for all I care.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I think Also, it's interesting Assie is too traumatized for
this show, and I've never seen a worst communicator, like
even in this show, where like the communication is amazing
and they're all supportive of each other, and like I
think they all do actually deeply love and care about
each other. Ossi is so conflict averse it's like scary,
(28:41):
and it's like.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Clearly rooted in trauma.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
And then I think Lexi I really relate to basically
just being obsessed with the fact that her partner is
not sure about marrying her.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
That's something I've like struggled with because I have this
thing of like, okay, well if you're not sure, then
like fuck you.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And it's like, actually, some people just move lower and
are more anxious and have different attachment styles and it's
not as easy for them to just say, like I'm
sure I want to be married to this one person forever.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
So that's kind of an interesting dynamic overall.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I've learned so much as opposed to Ultimatum straight season,
where I actually unlearned, like my brain melted. I think
in this season, I'm like learning how dynamics can improve
and how you can like listen to someone and not
take things personally.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
And a lot on this podcast what listen and not
take things personally?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, well maybe you should watch The Queer Love Ultimatum.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
And then I think I missed lessons.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I think I may have to I of course, and
I know, Devin, you are two watching a vander Pump Rules.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
We just finished.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
There's only one episode left, which I've decided not to face.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I've decided to be in denial about that. It's devastating.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
They I just watched the part two of the reunion.
James Kennedy is clearly doing cocaine on this show. He
says that he gets stressed out and then has to pee,
which I actually had to have pointed out by a coworker.
They said, James is doing cocaine, and I thought, oh
my gosh, why does it take me so long to
pick up on things like this, But yes, he probably is.
(30:12):
Tom Sanderbal called Ariyan a mother effer, motherfucker, mother effort,
and you think, how can Lisa defend these people?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
She looks to him and goes, did you just call
her motherfucker?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And you're like, Lisa, yes he did. This is your
business partner. This is who you are defending. Even James,
who like probably would you know, like take care of
Lisa's Jiggy's or all of the little animals she has
that look barely alive. Even he said, you're defending them
too much. Tom Schwartz, in his attempts to be funny,
(30:50):
which is not going well, which are failing. Those attempts
are failing, says as soon as Chakall comes out, he says,
I'm gonna take a xanax and he takes out a
pill bottle and he's like and it's like, what are
you doing? And then the best part so embarrassing. Tom
Sandaval is like that is Schwartz's medication. He does not
have to tell you anything about it.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
You're like Sandoval, someone's like he took it out and
threw it across the room.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Like also, it's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I'm done with Lisa like making her little snide comments
about the boys, like someone posted their like amazing Lisa's
face she makes when Tom Schwartz asks if he's a
bad guy or whatever, and it's like, Okay, she can
make her faces in her comments.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Then get off the wrong side of history.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Then switch sides, then give up on them, like you're
defending these men and we're not gonna like applaud your
little facial expressions. It's like, choose a side, and choose
the right one.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
How about please please?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Talking of the right and wrong sides, there was a
scene that I don't know why Bravo decided not to
include in the UH season finale, but it was of
Sandoval when he first visits Raquel after the affair is exposed,
and he talks about how he went by the house
and there was a bunch of cars in front of
Ariana's house and he was like so she's having a
(32:05):
bunch of people over, which is like, and he goes,
which is hard because like she wouldn't even let me
have my birthday party there.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
And he thinks, how person get worse? How a person
can't get worse?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
A person cannot get worse, Like it's really unfathomable, and
like he cannot get worse, and Raquel cannot get human.
Raquel has no expression. She's watchually. It's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Really, it's watching a Yankee candle try to have emotion exactly.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
It's like looks pretty, probably smells good, but does not
have a cognitive ability.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
It's not a sentient being. I don't know. Some people are.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Like she's so stupid that like the that it uses
all of her cognitive strength to focus on like the
story that she has to keep straight.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
It's like we have seen her cry on the show
only when she's drunk, and only about being an occupational therapist.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I think there's a sociopathy element. I think as I
think you're right because also she's like been trying to
get on the show for years. There's pictures of her
going to like events with like Kylie Jenner, like she's
just been trying to get famous for years, and she
had like a traumatizing childhood with Grandma Buttons being obsessed
(33:25):
with James's penis size. And I think I think things
were tough nature versus nurture. We don't know, but whatever
it was, it led to her in a trailer watching
Sena cry about having a restraining order filed against her
and losing one of her closest friends and Raquela having
no emotion and then just saying I always wondered if
I should have written her a letter.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yeah, it's pretty wild.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And I like when she talks to Sandoval and she's like,
I think maybe Ariana like didn't know you were unhappy
because you didn't break up with her. It's like, wow,
that is called two plus two equals four, sweetheart. And
he actually don't even need to say it out loud.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
It's so obvious.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
It's almost like Trump, where like trying to do comedy
about Trump, where it's like, Okay, this person's such a
fucking insane idiot that it's like not even funny to
make fun of them. It's not like George Bush, where
it's like he thinks he's an upstanding individual.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Same with Tom and Raquel. It's like, all right, it's
too easy now, Like you have.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
A villain haircut and white nail polish and villain outfit,
standing outside smoking, and she's like saying, nothing is sitting
on the pavement, Like it's like you're just making it
too easy to fucking hate you that I almost don't
enjoy hating you anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
The real miracle, the real top dog, is Ali, of course,
who comes out in a great Barbie inspired outfit hot pink.
I love to see it, and she literally looks like
she's presenting. She looks so normal it's jarring. The most
concerning part of Ali is that she's on the show,
and true she's I went so poised. We don't even
(34:58):
know what to do with her quite when she came,
I was a little upset that we didn't talk about
how she basically broke the case. She was the first
person to say, I thought it was weird seeing Raquel
and sandalbal dance together at one am at the abbey,
But that's okay. We don't need a special metal for
someone pointing out the obvious.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
But she is really the reigning Champ. She's calling James
on his bullshit. She got a man into therapy, which
is not ulous miraculous actually, and I'm I really hope
to see more of her. I need to learn more
about how to be as balanced. I also did try
to book an astrology reading with her, and her schedule
(35:43):
is it seems that there are no pointments available, which
made me upset because I was like, there's so many
crazy people who are probably just trying to talk to
her about scandabal when I actually want to see her work.
I want to know more about myself.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Really, I do too. I want to know it all
all about myself.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
But actually I have to stop knowing so much about myself,
according to my therapist.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Anyway, we will definitely keep in touch about the finale.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Of both The Ultimatum and Vanner Pump Rules coming up
this week. Honestly, thank god, I need stuff like this
right now, like the Cruel Summer season two premiere, vander
Pump Rules finale and Ultimatum finale and reunion.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
That's what's keeping me going. Plus my medication. Yeah you
can say I'll be taken care of plus max dosage
of lexapro. Yeah. On that note, I love you, Devin,
love you Carol.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
I won't suits so romantic.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Leave Babee if don't leave me, Hagen. I want true
Oh, I want.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hello and welcome with your romance. This is Carolina Barlow
and this is Devin Leary. Devin, where is your cat Cookie?
And why is she not attacking you?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Finally, for the first time ever, he's asleep while you record,
which he sorry, No, I think I think he's Cookie
is a feminine name, and I want you to know
that he's he's non binary. I think because they're non
binary because a lot of people presume that they're female.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I mean, I think he has kind of a male presence,
as do I.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
By the way, right now, he's sleeping. It's so cute.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
He does this thing where he covers his eyes like
he like digs his face into his paws because he
wants to cover his eyes from the sunlight.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
So that's really free.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Well, that'd be so funny if that's how I slept too,
with my little hands over my eyes, like just getting cozy.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
My hands. Why that he's.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Waving his or they're waving their white flag and peace
has descended upon your household.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
They're waving their white flag and their pride flag. I think,
how has your week been?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Devin? Okay, let's just go into the.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Okay, okay, sorry, we don't know. I mean, can you
kick it off then?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Okay, So this week we're going to do our famed
and off forgot high brow, midbrow, low brow, many different options, afloat,
but I'll kick it off with my highbrow.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Oh are we starting highbrow? We can start low brow
if you want. You know what? You know what?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I am flexible okay, metaphorically, not literally, I'm a creaky
old woman.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Literally, yes, let's start with highbrow.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So My Highbrow is a show that I just came
upon this week and I cannot believe I haven't been
watching it sooner. It's called Somebody Somewhere on Max I
guess fucking Max.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I saw someone.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Post about it and said like they said that it
got renewed for another season and that like that. They
were like, this is a win because this is like
a small comedy and these kind of shows don't get
made a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
So I turned it on.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It's so gosh dang delightful and emotional and they're singing involved.
It's like basically the dark, grounded, small comedy version of
Glee in a weird way, and the characters are just
like really unique and I love it.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I fucking love it.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I love Bridget Everett so much, and I think she's
like a truly special person.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
She's very like vulnerable. She reminds you of Julian Moore,
where it's like the performances so like real and vulnerable
and like you just can't look away when when she's
on screen.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I remember seeing Jeff Hiller. He's the actor with the glasses,
the tall kay actor. I remember seeing him when I
was nineteen at perform at UCB, and he is such
a funny performer. He was one of the funniest like
UCB performers I'd ever seen. So it's just so cool
when talent rises to the top, because it's so rare
(03:27):
that the most talented person in the room gets the
respect that they deserve. And so I think that that's
something that's really exciting about that show, is that all
this show deserves to be on air. It deserves the
season three and it's getting one and it doesn't. It's
not the Selena Gomez cooking show.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Oh my god. But I think that's really great. I
Bridget Everett.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
One of my favorite parts of Girls was when she
played Marnie's makeup artist for her wedding and kept them
talking about what a sweetheart's sleet of Gomez was. That
was really she was an absolute sweetheart. She also posted
a picture once on New Year's of her boobs in
a robe and she was like, Happy New Year's to
(04:08):
this robe that never stood a chance. Yeah, she's great. Okay,
what's yours? Okay, my highbrow gosh. I mean, now that
you said the TV show, I want to make a
shout out to Happy Valley with Oh yeah, is.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Burutal but so good.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I love a female cop show, even though acab. But
you know these aren't American police officers. These are in
I believe Island. How's that for acting? Where's my Emmy
for that Irish accent? I wanted to give a shout
out to Signal Return if you google Signal Return Prints.
(04:48):
It's a print shop in Detroit where I get some
of my favorite artwork. I actually need to stop shopping there,
and I put a pause on it because I own
so many prints from there. Devin I once went sent
Devvin Pictures and got a bunch of prints for her there.
But it's just a nice place to quote unquote collect
art when you don't have the money to collect art,
(05:09):
but it is art and it does make your home
both funny. There's funny prints, there's beautiful prints. They're all
extremely well made though, and I just got a huge
one that I honestly like. I could afford the print,
but I could not. I can't afford framing it yet,
so I'm going to frame it for my office, but
I'm very excited. There was a print of barbecue chips.
(05:31):
It was just a small print that but it was
a beautiful illustration of barbecue chips. And so that's what
I have my eye on right now. And it's just
a small business that I love. And I sometimes I
have a hard time with art because I like to
understand art, if that makes sense, and a lot of
times I don't. It's kind of like poetry in the
New Yorker, like I'm reading it, I'm not getting it.
I'm not getting it. And so I like art like
(05:54):
beautiful photographs. I love void photographs of horses, photographs of dogs.
That's the kind of art that I can really get
behind because I understand it. And that is the same
with signal or turn. They're prints that are I understand
why you would want to hang them in your home.
I understand the meaning of them, and yeah, it's it's
my favorite place to collect art. I will say one
of my favorite shops ever. Maybe my favorite shop, your
(06:16):
favorite shop. I also did get Devin for her birthday
last year two years ago, a miural of all the
Real Housewives and what was that from?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
There? No, that was from Etsy, but I love that.
I have it hanging in my room. But that was
primarily made for Devn Well.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I have been trying to make my own art recently,
and it's really a good way to pass the time
and to express what I think are like really deep emotions.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
But I did post a collage that.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I made on Instagram and someone messaged me that it
was brave of me to post that.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It's horrendously bad, So you know that's something I'm working through.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I have trouble with, like I can't stop adding things
like I just like am like all right, and then
like three more pictures of kittens, and then three more
pictures of stars and.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It's a little bit kindergarten level.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
But well, I haven't seen these clashes, And I don't know,
do you not use Instagram anymore? I use it sporadically Okay,
I get sucked in. In the words of Gia Tolantino,
it's like hitting my forehead with a hammer over and
over again. Sometimes, what do you do?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Delete the app or deactivate?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I delete the app off my phone for periods at
a time and just check my messages once in a while.
I want to say, though, that something I heard recently
from someone who was painting. They said, I'm not that good,
But why do we only have to do things if
we're amazing at them?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Sorry?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Say that without seeing your clashes, because I want you
to know. I'm not saying like, even though Devin's clashes
look like I think they don't do them.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
That's like, why if this makes me.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Feel good, If playing the piano makes me feel good,
if playing baby chords on a guitar makes me feel good,
I do neither. Why can I Why do I have
to wait until I'm amazing at it? If painting and
collajing makes me feel good and relaxed, it's like cooking.
I'm not that good of a cook, but I love cooking.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Why would I not do that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I also tried playing tennis yesterday for about fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Well, that's insane.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
And no, but it was really fun and also like
I was horrible at it, but you have to do it.
You have to do these things with the right audience
and the right people and with friends who won't judge
you or be competitive, Like I can't. Being around competitive
people is really triggering for me because I'm not competitive
at all.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
It is for me too. I'm just like, okay, this
none of this actually matters. Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
It's like when I went to a friend had like
a murder mystery birthday party, and like we got there
and I was like, oh cool, Like we dress in
like it's circus theme, like oh, we're like a slutty
circus outfit. And then we get there and they're like
giving out cards and they're like this is your character
and this is you have to find out that.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I was like, wait, I don't feel like doing that.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I just want to talk to people and like maybe
hook up with someone like I don't really care about
like being method as like a fucking circus lion tamer,
Like I don't care about this. And so then like
I was just kind of hanging by the wayside aka
smoking cigarettes outside, and then the people who the person
who like figured out mystery. A grown adult was like, yes, yes,
(09:31):
I got it, and I'm like evacuate, Like what what
does this do for you?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
What? What's missing?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I I have that instinct, even when it's low grade competitiveness,
like I told you would only take twenty minutes to
get there. Yeah, I want to be like, no, I'm
not engaging with that behavior.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Oh my god, I hate that so much. It's like
or when someone's like when someone you know what I hate?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
You know what I fucking hate?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
And yes I was guilty of this in like high
school and may maybe early twenties, when someone has to
loudly prove that they know every lyric to the song,
like the song comes on in the car or the
bar or something, and someone's like pointedly being like, cause
the remedy is that experience. It is a dangerous liaison
sn and it's like, okay, I get it. You know
every word? Like got it? It reminds you of like
(10:19):
these girls in high school that memorize every word to
fer Delicious and then they would like pointedly sing.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
It at dances and stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And I was like, I know, you guys sat with
YouTube and memorize every lyric and anyone can do that.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Actually, anyone could do that. It was the Nicki minajiars
were big for that too.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yes, oh my god, the Monster Verse. Yeah, the white
girls who knew the Monster Verse or really any Nikki
song need to examine things.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Pencils down, pencils well, and you know who's one of them.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I think there's like a famous was it like Adele
or Kelly Clarkson or someone like Taylor I think did.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
The Monster Verse?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Oh, I know that Taylor and Selina were really into
that at the time. Which listen, worry what if I
keep talking about tweena, I'm gonna get docs?
Speaker 3 (11:07):
But what do you mean You know that they were
really into that because they.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Were posting videos of themselves wrapping to starships.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Okay, well, I would like to see receipts on that,
and you better provide them if you want to ever
be accepted by Beth Jacob's Cohen Again.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I know friend of the Pod, Beth Jacobs Cohen is
somewhere sharpening her knives listening to this. She's somewhere putting
a mysterious white powder and an envelope and putting my
address on it. Let's do midbrow this is tough because
(11:46):
it's tough because when is midbrow?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
But I actually think I nailed it. Okay, I'm really competitive. No,
you're being competitive, and that's okay.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Fuck.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I wanted to do one, and now I realize, like
it's actually offensive, so I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I'm so concerned about what that could have been. Well,
because I just started before this podcast.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I just started watching Shiny Happy People Dougger Family Secrets,
and I wanted to do that as my high brow
because it's really fucking good. But now I took my
highbrow with something that I can't remember now, but so now,
but to say it's mid, it's not mid, it's it's high,
(12:26):
I would say mid.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
No, it can't be mid.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
It can't. It cannot be mid. The trauma of the
Dougger family cannot be mid, like it is beyond.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I would say midbrow is.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Any Okay, I have my midbrow, and I'm using midbrow
as a term in a way of like that is
so mid basic base level.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Let's get rid of that. Not like mid brow, like, eh,
this was fine. Mid to me is.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Any discussion of the era in time where we wore
masks outside.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Do not ever bring that up to me. Do not
ever talk to me recommendations.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
What was no this is. This is a recommendation of
what not to do. Do not bring up the era
of time when people were still wearing masks outside, when
when COVID was starting to go away. Okay, vaccine era, Okay,
I'll hear about that when it first happened.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
That's kind of interesting. It was a crisis in history,
the era.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Of time where we accepted a life where we wore
surgical masks outdoors.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I do not ever want to think about that again.
I don't want to hear about that again. Nothing happened,
Time melted into one. It was hell.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
It was the worst possible scenario. The worst possible scenario
is to accidentally see a photo in your featured iPhone
photos of yourself in a surgical mask outdoors.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
So miss I understand that, get rid of it, don't
need it. Moving on.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
There's a jacket that I wore during that period that
when I'm going through my closet, I.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Have a physical reaction to it, like I'm like ughh.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Because it was such an awful time. It wasn't because
we were wearing masks. It was because of the time period,
the time period. I agree, it'd be so funny to
come out now as an anti mask person and like, ah,
kids need to see each other smile. Please take away
masks in schools.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I actually had a dream last night that I was
hooking up with one of my ex boyfriends and that
like we hadn't seen each other since COVID obviously because
it's been years, and that he was like, I was
like saying something about unvaccinated people, like making fun of them.
That he was like, oh my god, I did not
do that, and I was like, wait, what, I didn't
get the vaccine, so that would.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Be of the anti vactor is a nightmare my mid
brow and this is perfectly mid I think. Is a
book that is one of those pop psychology books.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I love those. It's called Atomic Habits. I've downloaded that.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
So I started it. I'm thirty percent the way through.
And this is not the first time I recommended a
book without finishing it, and I've come to regret that sometimes.
For instance, when I recommended Whitney Cummings memoir and then
after recommending it, I was almost done with it when
she got to a chapter where she said that people
are over medicated and that people.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Don't need to be on meds. Oh no exactly, And
I was like, oh, I wish I could retract that recommendation.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
But Atomic Habits has really helped me think about habits coolarly,
it's number one on the iTunes bookstore or one of
the like top books that's downloaded. But what I like
about it is it talks about how people are have
been convinced that they don't have willpower, when really it's
(15:52):
your environment that tells you what to do. So if
you live, you know, next to like only fast food places,
you're more likely to eat fast food. It doesn't mean
you have bad willpower. It means that nothing like good
is available to you, you know, if you live near
good restaurants but you can't afford them. Like again, it
doesn't mean that you're not healthy. It means that like
(16:13):
you don't have access to these things. And basically talks
about like filling your home with like making your home
a good environment to support healthy habits. And it also talks,
which I thought was really interesting, about progress and how
most people think of progress as like a completely math
based just going up, up up, as soon as you
do good things. And it's like, actually, progress stays lateral
(16:37):
for a really long time, a like horizontal for a
very long time, and then all of a sudden it
goes off like and goes the other word. So you
basically have to commit to doing things for a while
without seeing results before you will get results, which really
helps me because I'm very impatient. So there's a lot
(16:58):
of insights that I really like from this book. It's comfortable.
It's not one of those books that's like beating you
up about not doing things, like, well, you have to
do it this way if you want to see it done.
It's more very practical, like, hey, maybe don't be on
your phone in bed if you have trouble sleeping, don't
even read in bed. Just make your bed a place
to sleep. I can literally fall asleep with my phone
in front of my face and like a music video playing,
(17:21):
so that when I'm not going to.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Really take in but I do. He says.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
One of the things, one of the rules he practices
is one place, one purpose, even if you live in
like my desk is in my room and my room
is really small, I don't I shouldn't be sitting at
my desk if I'm not working and I shouldn't work
in bed. That is sort of what he's talking about.
So I'm very much enjoying it. I'm reading it very
slowly because I'm not kind of in the place where
(17:48):
I'm very distracted easily.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
And that's that's another thing.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
He said, your phone is so distracting that it's hard
to do one thing on it because there's so many
things you can do on it.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Anyway, So I'm famous like that. There's so many things
you can do on your phone.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Famously, you can do a lot on those little iPhones
that people have. My modelings when I went through a breakup,
said you need to get an iPhone and she was right,
meaning like this will help you recover from your breakup.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
And I was like, what, she was right, I to
get rid of my BlackBerry. That's gonna help. And she
was right, you did have a BlackBerry for so long.
This is true.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Okay, low my favorite category, low low low, low, low brow.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
This is gonna be an easy one for me.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Although I kind of have the feeling about this that
I that I have, like every time I tweet something,
I have the immediate thought like, wait, haven't I tweeted
that exact same thing before.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
It's really weird.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I don't know, it's just a mental thing that I
guess is pretty unique about me.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
But that's how I.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Feel about this low brow I'm like, have I recommended
this before? But I recently turned on my TV a
little bit too early for vander Pump Rules, and I
happened to catch the tail end of Below Deck Sailing Yacht,
and I thought, now I've seen below Deck, and now
I've seen below Deck med but I have not yet
seen Below Deck Sailing Yacht. So I gave it a
(19:10):
look see and the first thing I see is two
people making out hot and heavy in a hot tub,
and I thought, I'm gonna need to be tuning.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
In here.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Well, And so again, now I've gone back, and I'm
so that was the current season, which is season four.
Now I'm on, I've caught all the way up to
season three. And the reason why this is what I've
understood why it's so good.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
It's actually an exploration of.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
The capitalist system and oppression in a way. So the
structure of the show is there's the crew that works
below deck, and then there's the rich people who charter
the yacht, and.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
The first half of the episode.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Actually, I would say the first seventy five percent of
the episode is the blo low deck crew working soberly
and earnestly to serve these awful fucking rich people who
do terrible things such as try a gourmet omelet and
say I've had better food at a ballpark.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
My complain that.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
They were given buffalo wings at the beach, but they
first of all requesting buffalo wings from like a Italian
chef who is like a world class expert in fine foods,
requesting buffalo wings, and then complaining that they had to
put their buffalo wings bones back in the same bowl
instead of having a separate bowl. Like that's like the
(20:38):
kind of stuff they deal with on a daily basis. Also,
an old woman who got spray tan all over the
like sixty thousand dollars couch in the yacht and then
lied about it and was like, I don't know what
that is and I wasn't sitting there. They cut the
footage of her sitting directly there and she's like, I
was never there, that never happened.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
I love pathological liars on reality TV. Is it could
been a low brow for me, but it's a it's
a huge umbrella under which many fall.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Under, which many take shelter.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
So then after that part of the episode where you're
just watching these people be like oppressed by being in
service to these horrible rich people, then the charter ends
and Captain Glenn, a lovely endearing man, says, Okay, that
was like great, and here's like the tip, and now
you have the night off before tomorrow's charter. And these
(21:28):
people go absolutely like bananas for a night. Like they
literally say like they're like I'm blacking out tonight. Who's
blacking out today? Blacking out tonight? Like because they're just
worked under it. It's like the worse the charter, the
more fucked up they get because they just had to
deal with that.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
It's literally they all make out with each other.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
They like one of the one of the chefs from
one of the seasons actually said she was like, wow,
night one was really girls gone wild because the girls
were all making out with each other at one point.
There there's these two girls who there's always romances every season,
like they end up like having like trysts with each other.
So one season there's these there's Ali and Danny, and
(22:08):
they're both kind of like cooking up with JL and
Gary and there's a night where they all get drunk
and JL is like complaining about work and like just
being really boring, and Danny's like, Okay, I want to
have sex with you, and he's like okay, well, like
I'm talking to Gary right now, and she's like okay, Ali,
let's go, and she goes and has sex with Ali instead.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Wow. Amazing, wow wow. Literally it's like really giving me
in high school. By the way. It's amazing. It's so good.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
And they're like they're all making out with each other,
they're all and they show it, they actually show it,
like it's it's truly so fun. But it's also like
the release. And also there's these people are all so
good looking. Like in a way, I'm just like, this
is just like voyeurism. Like getting to watch hot people
make out in a hot tub is just like really
fun and that's like what TV should be in all
(22:56):
that ways. So I really recommend it. It's storytelling. I really,
I have to say. It's women's stories. It's women's stories.
It's women in stem it's women in yachting, by the way,
it's women in yachting, which is a typically very male industry.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
So check it out. Give it a look.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I actually am going to give that a look. I'm
taking that recommendation to the bank.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I am going to watch that maybe even today. Yeah,
do it.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Devin has not led me wrong. In fact, it took
me a long time to, you know, to come to
her like like little Oliver Twist and say please, sir,
can I have some more? And she showed me bravo.
She showed me Southern charms. She showed me things that
became a part of my life. Part of my life
took over my life. My low brow and I say
lowbrow because it's sexual, and so it's not really about intellect.
(23:47):
It's more about pure sex, which is something that I've
talked to people about and I've talked to a few
women about, and I've heard people have the same experience.
But my lowbrow is pushing on your block during sex,
like pressing on your bladder with your hand. Devin looks
like she's about to cry. She looks so disgusted.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
It's upsetting. Why are you saying these.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Words, because it's something that if people are struggling having
an orgasm, it is really helpful because you are pressing
down on basically your g spot, which is under your bladder,
and the pressure under it will help you reach an
orgasm faster. I really do believe that this is like
(24:30):
kind of sometimes the only way I can finish. And
I'm saying this because it feels like a secret. I
have so want to I want to wave that flag.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
That's interesting. How did you find that out? I honestly
can't remember.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I think I just instinctually did it once and then
was like, oh, this is an orgasm.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Wait, where's your bladder on your stomach?
Speaker 2 (24:55):
It's your bladder's next to your heart. Oh, it goes
up into your throat. Your bladder is like on your
basically like right above your vagina.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Interesting, Okay, this is like.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
When Devin had her mom write her out of health
class so she didn't have to watch the Miracle of Life.
Like she's slowly moving off the zoom camera.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
I shouldn't have had to watch it, and I didn't
want to have to watch it, and I will never
regret that.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I think that we should recap two shows that mean
a lot to us.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Devin, how do you feel about the ultimatum?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
The ultimatum Queer Love is quite Frankly, all I can
think about right now.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
All I can think about is.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Mal and Yoli and whether they will end up together,
and also that I need Xander to leave Vanessa. So
I want I want Xander to leave Vanessa, but I
also want Yoli to stay with Mal, and Xander's way
of leaving Vanessa would be with Yoli.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
So it's just so complicated.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
It's interesting because the straight season of the Ultimatum was
so toxic. It actually at times felt like bad to
be watching. And as you know, like I watched that
feeling ninety Day Fiance, Single Life, like I'm I'm watching
feeling was probably how you felt. I'm watching shiny, happy people,
and I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess. I did watch
Nineteen Kids in Counting at one point and john and
(26:24):
Kate plus eight, and I actively defended one time when
I was like in middle school, I was watching Johnny
Kate plus A and my mom was like, ew, this woman,
Kate Goslin is like a bad mother, and I go, no,
she's not. The kids are really happy, like what anyway?
So that's me And yet I still found Ultimatum straight
season like disturbing. It was just like these couples who
(26:46):
hate each other and they like just wanted to have
sex with other people, and then like some of them
stayed together anyway, and there was like abusive dynamics and
just like fucking weird shit trauma ultimatum, queer love is
so it's almost like too therapized.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
They communicate so.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Well, all of these couples and every single couple, Like
I start out being like, Okay, this person I hate
and this person I love, and then by the end
I'm like, Okay, actually I love all of them, and
I want them all to be happy. That being said,
I don't want Vanessa to be happy. She is the
villain and she is fucking terrible and I cannot stand
her and she's just like fake and weird and full
of shit.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
And then everybody else, like Tiff.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I had a tough time at first with Tiff, and
then Tiff freaked out because her trial marriage partner Sam,
Oh my god, I knocked my computer with my foot.
Her trial marriage partner Sam didn't act like in love
enough with her dog, and Tiff like freaked out and
she's like, oh, you barely even looked at my dog.
(27:45):
You barely even look at her and I was like,
that is me with Cookie, Like honestly, I have a
picture of Cookie on my dating app profile and one
and it's like me on the couch with Cookie and
one guy message and was like, Cookie's gonna have to
make room for me, or your cat's gonna have to
make room for me.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
And I was like, talk to me that way, and
don't you animal that way?
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Walk right off this app and out off the fuck
the ocean, into the ocean, off the pirate ship fucking
board thing whatever that thing is called off.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
The plank the shipboard, so you can walk off the
pirate ship board for all I care.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I think Also, it's interesting Assie is too traumatized for
this show, and I've never seen a worst communicator, like
even in this show, where like the communication is amazing
and they're all supportive of each other, and like I
think they all do actually deeply love and care about
each other. Ossi is so conflict averse it's like scary,
(28:41):
and it's like.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Clearly rooted in trauma.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
And then I think Lexi I really relate to basically
just being obsessed with the fact that her partner is
not sure about marrying her.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
That's something I've like struggled with because I have this
thing of like, okay, well if you're not sure, then
like fuck you.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And it's like, actually, some people just move lower and
are more anxious and have different attachment styles and it's
not as easy for them to just say, like I'm
sure I want to be married to this one person forever.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
So that's kind of an interesting dynamic overall.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I've learned so much as opposed to Ultimatum straight season,
where I actually unlearned, like my brain melted. I think
in this season, I'm like learning how dynamics can improve
and how you can like listen to someone and not
take things personally.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
And a lot on this podcast what listen and not
take things personally?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, well maybe you should watch The Queer Love Ultimatum.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
And then I think I missed lessons.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I think I may have to I of course, and
I know, Devin, you are two watching a vander Pump Rules.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
We just finished.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
There's only one episode left, which I've decided not to face.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I've decided to be in denial about that. It's devastating.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
They I just watched the part two of the reunion.
James Kennedy is clearly doing cocaine on this show. He
says that he gets stressed out and then has to pee,
which I actually had to have pointed out by a coworker.
They said, James is doing cocaine, and I thought, oh
my gosh, why does it take me so long to
pick up on things like this, But yes, he probably is.
(30:12):
Tom Sanderbal called Ariyan a mother effer, motherfucker, mother effort,
and you think, how can Lisa defend these people?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
She looks to him and goes, did you just call
her motherfucker?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And you're like, Lisa, yes he did. This is your
business partner. This is who you are defending. Even James,
who like probably would you know, like take care of
Lisa's Jiggy's or all of the little animals she has
that look barely alive. Even he said, you're defending them
too much. Tom Schwartz, in his attempts to be funny,
(30:50):
which is not going well, which are failing. Those attempts
are failing, says as soon as Chakall comes out, he says,
I'm gonna take a xanax and he takes out a
pill bottle and he's like and it's like, what are
you doing? And then the best part so embarrassing. Tom
Sandaval is like that is Schwartz's medication. He does not
have to tell you anything about it.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
You're like Sandoval, someone's like he took it out and
threw it across the room.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Like also, it's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I'm done with Lisa like making her little snide comments
about the boys, like someone posted their like amazing Lisa's
face she makes when Tom Schwartz asks if he's a
bad guy or whatever, and it's like, Okay, she can
make her faces in her comments.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Then get off the wrong side of history.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Then switch sides, then give up on them, like you're
defending these men and we're not gonna like applaud your
little facial expressions. It's like, choose a side, and choose
the right one.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
How about please please?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Talking of the right and wrong sides, there was a
scene that I don't know why Bravo decided not to
include in the UH season finale, but it was of
Sandoval when he first visits Raquel after the affair is exposed,
and he talks about how he went by the house
and there was a bunch of cars in front of
Ariana's house and he was like so she's having a
(32:05):
bunch of people over, which is like, and he goes,
which is hard because like she wouldn't even let me
have my birthday party there.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
And he thinks, how person get worse? How a person
can't get worse?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
A person cannot get worse, Like it's really unfathomable, and
like he cannot get worse, and Raquel cannot get human.
Raquel has no expression. She's watchually. It's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Really, it's watching a Yankee candle try to have emotion exactly.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
It's like looks pretty, probably smells good, but does not
have a cognitive ability.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
It's not a sentient being. I don't know. Some people are.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Like she's so stupid that like the that it uses
all of her cognitive strength to focus on like the
story that she has to keep straight.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
It's like we have seen her cry on the show
only when she's drunk, and only about being an occupational therapist.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I think there's a sociopathy element. I think as I
think you're right because also she's like been trying to
get on the show for years. There's pictures of her
going to like events with like Kylie Jenner, like she's
just been trying to get famous for years, and she
had like a traumatizing childhood with Grandma Buttons being obsessed
(33:25):
with James's penis size. And I think I think things
were tough nature versus nurture. We don't know, but whatever
it was, it led to her in a trailer watching
Sena cry about having a restraining order filed against her
and losing one of her closest friends and Raquela having
no emotion and then just saying I always wondered if
I should have written her a letter.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yeah, it's pretty wild.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
And I like when she talks to Sandoval and she's like,
I think maybe Ariana like didn't know you were unhappy
because you didn't break up with her. It's like, wow,
that is called two plus two equals four, sweetheart. And
he actually don't even need to say it out loud.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
It's so obvious.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
It's almost like Trump, where like trying to do comedy
about Trump, where it's like, Okay, this person's such a
fucking insane idiot that it's like not even funny to
make fun of them. It's not like George Bush, where
it's like he thinks he's an upstanding individual.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Same with Tom and Raquel. It's like, all right, it's
too easy now, Like you have.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
A villain haircut and white nail polish and villain outfit,
standing outside smoking, and she's like saying, nothing is sitting
on the pavement, Like it's like you're just making it
too easy to fucking hate you that I almost don't
enjoy hating you anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
The real miracle, the real top dog, is Ali, of course,
who comes out in a great Barbie inspired outfit hot pink.
I love to see it, and she literally looks like
she's presenting. She looks so normal it's jarring. The most
concerning part of Ali is that she's on the show,
and true she's I went so poised. We don't even
(34:58):
know what to do with her quite when she came,
I was a little upset that we didn't talk about
how she basically broke the case. She was the first
person to say, I thought it was weird seeing Raquel
and sandalbal dance together at one am at the abbey,
But that's okay. We don't need a special metal for
someone pointing out the obvious.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
But she is really the reigning Champ. She's calling James
on his bullshit. She got a man into therapy, which
is not ulous miraculous actually, and I'm I really hope
to see more of her. I need to learn more
about how to be as balanced. I also did try
to book an astrology reading with her, and her schedule
(35:43):
is it seems that there are no pointments available, which
made me upset because I was like, there's so many
crazy people who are probably just trying to talk to
her about scandabal when I actually want to see her work.
I want to know more about myself.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Really, I do too. I want to know it all
all about myself.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
But actually I have to stop knowing so much about myself,
according to my therapist.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Anyway, we will definitely keep in touch about the finale.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Of both The Ultimatum and Vanner Pump Rules coming up
this week. Honestly, thank god, I need stuff like this
right now, like the Cruel Summer season two premiere, vander
Pump Rules finale and Ultimatum finale and reunion.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
That's what's keeping me going. Plus my medication. Yeah you
can say I'll be taken care of plus max dosage
of lexapro. Yeah. On that note, I love you, Devin,
love you Carol.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
I won't suits so romantic.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Leave Babee if don't leave me, Hagen. I want true
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