December 15, 2022 • 42 mins
Devin and Carolina celebrate and debate the ending of season 2 of The White Lotus - is kidnapping hot? Is Ethan forgivable? Is monogamy dead? Would you confront the Mafia for your boss? And what would you do if these gays were trying to murder you? These questions and more are answered as the ladies say arrivederci to the television event of the year.
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hello, and welcome to True Romance. This is Devin Larry
and this is Carolina Barlow. And we just had a
national holiday, which was Sunday Nights finale of The White Lotus.
I thought you were gonna say Sunday Nights episode of
Sister Wives. But okay, um no, I mean, listen, the
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world stood still. It did, But okay, I think we
have to say what are theories were going in and
then talk about what actually happened. Absolutely okay. So I
was blind as a fucking ding bat. I thought that
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little Grandpa was going to die. I also thought that
those gays were going to die. Oh I I know.
But listen, by the way, if you guys, this is
an episode in the finale, so spoiler alerts abound. And
at this point you really need to do the work.
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You are sick, then you need Just like Kim Kardashian said,
it feels like nobody wants to work anymore. It feels
like nobody wants to turn their HBO Max anymore. I know.
And it's like get over it. It's like you have
to put the work in. I have put the work in.
I have made dinner around the White Lotus. I have
gotten my family together. Yes, I unfortunately had to watch
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Harper and ethan sex scene, which was extremely satisfying, except
for the fact that I was watching it next to
my father. You and I have such different views. Go ahead, okay, well,
let me jump back to whore I thought was going
to die. I thought those gays were getting pushed off
a cliff. I was convinced someone was being pushed off
a cliff. I don't know if it was the shots
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of the ocean hitting the rocks. I don't know if
it was the story that the King Gay told to
her about a woman dying um because the mafia killed
her because they wanted her home, which was sort of
a myth. He told her about an island before they
left um the hotel. But I was convinced all of
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the gays were going to die. I was also convinced
Tanya's husband was going to make an appearance and return
and die. And Um. I thought also Jack, the hot
Love Island guy, was gonna die. So I was just
convinced that all of the bad, deceitful people in this world.
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Even I thought maybe THEO James gets killed somehow, maybe
Daphne kills THEO James. I was convinced that something like
that was going to happen. Um, I think I thought.
I thought Harper and Ethan we're going to split up? Um,
I thought you should have Okay, Well, I disagree, and
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mainly it's because I can. I couldn't like Ethan is
so my type in terms of like mannerisms and how
like Listen, I'm not saying that he's a good husband
an abusive dynamic. Oh got it. I don't think he's abusive.
I think he's out to lunch. Devin's looking at me
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like I just said I voted for Mitt Romney Carolina. Okay,
so Devin, what did you think that was gonna happen?
All right? Let me let me self soothed for a second,
because I know. I know that when people disagree with me,
I get like scared and angry, and I want everyone
to validate my experience and agree exactly a rock that says,
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breathe on it. It's like it's like my only like
the only true happiness I will ever find in this
world is if everybody says, like, one day I wake
up and everyone in my life calls me and says
like I actually realized you were right about everything, thank you,
and that will never happen. We're gonna all do that. Okay, Okay,
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you guys got a planet excited. I'm like, okay, cool. Um,
So what was I saying? Okay, so I I all right,
let me just talk about my theories. I'm too agitated.
So my theories were. I rewatched all of the season
again a third time, and there was all this stuff
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about Like there was like this the Godfather scene where
it says in sicily a woman is a loaded gun.
There was hades in persephone there. I was like, okay,
so this is gonna be about how women have been
like putting up with men's shipped for too long and
they're gonna fucking like finally turn the tables. And so
in that sense, I thought I knew that Luccia was
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scamming I'll be, but I also thought that Albie was
gonna like try to get the money back from instead
of I'll be just being like, dad, can I have
fifty dollars? Um? I guess I never could have foreseen
someone being that much of a spoiled asshole, so I
will trade you my mom for dollars. So I thought
instead that he was going to try to confront Ethan
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and Cameron about them owing Lucia money, and he was
going to get involved in their scuffle and like accidentally
fall off a balcony. Um. Also because I as pointed
out by my friend Haley, at one point, Jennifer Coolidge
makes a comment like, oh wow, like this balcony has
anyone ever like fallen over the side. But then again,
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I guess that came over up later because she fell
off the side of something. Um, and I guess she
was a woman with a loaded gun. So it's like,
I just misread these theories. I also thought that Daphne
was going to have an absolute switch. I thought I
thought when and told Daphne that Cameron poked up with Harper,
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I thought Daphney was going to be like, okay, got it,
switch flips and she goes fucking nuts, kills Cameron, kills Ethan,
maybe kills Harper. Like I thought she was just gonna
go fucking crazy, and I was so excited for that,
and that didn't happen. So what did happen was um
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absolutely traumatizing. Okay, I what happened was traumatizing because this
show ended up being Okay, the show was perfect. That
being said, the ending felt like an attack on monogamy
that I don't support or appreciate. Basically, the end that
the end of the Harper Ethan, Cameron Daphne storyline was
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such a disappointment to me. I was enraged about it. Like, Okay,
so basically, she's gonna stay with Ethan now because all
she had to do was cheat on him with someone
else for him to become interested her in her again,
never mind all the months he spent withdrawing sex from
her and then gaslighting her about it. She's just like, Oh, cool,
you want to have sex with me now? Great, I
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guess we're married still. I guess we're happy. I guess
we'll cuddle at the airport. And then with Cameron and Daphne,
it's like, I guess they're happy because they cheat on
each other all the time, Like, what's the moral of
this story here? Okay? I have a few thoughts, one
of which is Ethan to me, seems like he doesn't
seem to me like he was intentionally gaslighting Bear with me.
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He seems to be the kind of guy who doesn't
know how to communicate, Like when he's like, you're an adult,
so learn. Oh, he's just the type of guy who
doesn't know how to communicate. Met Carolina, Imagine I pauled
you about a man that I was dating and was like, well,
it's not his fault. He won't have sex with me,
even when he's watching porn and literally has a boner,
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and I'm like, okay, can we have sex? He ignores
me and gets in the shower and says nothing, And
but you know what, he just doesn't know how to communicate.
What would you think? Listen, You're right, I okay, this
is why I want to defend Ethan. I find him
very attractive, like striking Lee. So like when he was
fighting theo James in the Ocean, I was like, I
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had my own boner, and I truly I just can't
like I I'm without words. I'm a schoolgirl and um
and the first to say that I plan. I'm hoping
for an anogymous relationship. I would love to be in
an anogymous relationship someday, not today, not right now, but eventually.
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But I do understand that you are going to be
attracted to other people. Maybe that's the extent that you
will run off with them. Like Daphne and Harper guys. Okay,
not to the extent that you're going to run off
with them and have sex on a random island like
Daft and Ethan do. But I think that there's this
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weird tip for tat thing that's going on that makes
this like such an insensual, incestuous like bubble that they're
in and all of a sudden, and that dinner they
have was like one of my favorite scenes because you
really didn't need to know. All you need to know
was that Cameron and Daphne are delusional people, and so
they just sit down. Cameron literally has like a cut
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on his face from Ethan punching him, and he's like,
who could believe that would still be friends all like
these years. It's just so and Daphne's like, I love you, babe,
and it's like, you clearly had sex with someone else today.
I think that Heartpert needed to be seen sexually, and
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she was by her husband for like he was imagining
her having sex. It's sucked up. It's sucked up, like
we we do not need to clarify that this is
fucked up, but it's also like hyper sexual and he
was someone who has turned off sexually, and I think
Daphne is giving the philosophy when she gives Megan fakey,
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by the way, gives one of the best performances on
TV I've ever seen when Ethan tells her that Harper
and Cameron I've slept together. And it was so funny
because me and my sister and some people on Twitter
were saying, like, it's clear the hurt for her is
from Harper, like she's opened up to this woman about
the fact that her husband cheats on her. She says
that she has trouble making female friends, all this stuff,
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and she just finds out like they're this woman probably
sucked her husband. And then you see her fucking scheme
in five seconds like I've never seen scheming done before.
She literally looks off, sees this island, looks back to
him and it's like, you know, I bet that what
you think happened wasn't all that bad. And she says,
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you don't have to know everything about someone to love them,
and she says, also, some miss three can be kind
of sexy, don't you think? And I agree with her
on those fronts, and I do think that heartburn Ethan again.
This is where listen. I know you're going to honestly
like shoot daggers at me through your eyes, and even
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our listeners might be upset. This is what I'm like. Okay,
you guys have been married, what a decade? This is
not that bad. If you guys both had sex with
this random couple on a crazy Italian trip and if
you guys just needed to wake up sexually, and if
this is what did it fine? Okay, I really like
my mom used to say that she thought I was
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going to be a lawyer because of like how much
I argued as a kid, and and like, I really
do think that that was my calling that I missed.
And I don't think I ever could have done because
I'm not a hard enough worker. But like, I feel
a fire inside me when someone when you want to
go to court, I want to take you to court
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right now. Like I'm like and I and I want
to take anyone to court who disagrees with me about this.
But this is what I'll say. Okay, Yes, people are
going to be attracted to other people. You are going
to be attracted to other people in your relationship. You
are going to have sex problems in your relationship. Talk
about that communicate about that. That's all her per wanted
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was to communicate about that, and he was not man enough.
This is the thing to me about Easan. I can't
find him attractive because he's like a little boy, Like
he doesn't have the balls to fucking talk about what's
going on. He's acting like a child. It's disgusting to me,
And it's like I've been in that relationship before where
it's like, okay, can we just talk about like can
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we just acknowledge that something's weird? And then to use
someone out like that and be like what, okay, what
are you talking about? Like I didn't do anything what's
going like that is so fucked up and it's so childish.
So it's like, Okay, I totally understand that. Like they're
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that they have been together a long time, like, so
talk about that, be like we need to spice things
on maybe, or like this couple is attractive, great, maybe
you guys can have a foursome maybe whatever, but like
fucking talk about it. That's what like disgusts me about him,
is like him with his rolling his eyes and acting
like a teenage boy when he's in a marriage, you're
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in a relationship act like an adult. Truly, I'm having
trouble concentrating because talking about him, I'm just thinking about
the actor and I am so sexually attracted to him.
It's not a joke, and I agree with what you're saying.
That is a fun up thing to do. That is
gaslighting pretending that there aren't specifically sex problems in a
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relationship because for women, for myself, that is tied to
a lot of feelings of like my own sexuality. If
I've I've dated someone, um, when I was like nineteen,
who so I was like I could have sex at
the drop of the hat, Like when I was nineteen,
literally I could be ready for sex in like twenty
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minutes if meeting the right guy. And there was a
boyfriend I had who like wouldn't have sex with me
sometimes when I was really in love with and it
was totally the same thing where he was like what,
like I'm just not in the mood and it was
like you're the sex crazy one, and then me feeling like,
oh my god, like I'm not attractive enough he doesn't
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want to have sex with me, and like, you know,
I just wish I could time travel and tell that
person to like go have sex with as many people
as possible, but unfortunately I decided to really try to
settle into that, and you try to like I need
to convince you I'm sexually attractive instead of being like, actually,
like this random guy like won't stop staring me at
a party and I should just be having sex with him. Um,
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so I agree. I think that what I have come
to the conclusion that my attraction to Ethan is made
not healthy. But um, Devin and I obviously defer. The
sex scene I thought was so good. I also felt
like it was an injustice to her character. It's like
I feel like, really, she's just like, oh, okay, you
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want to have sex with me now? Yeah, Like she
was just crying. I feel like if that was me,
I would have been like, don't touch me, like there's
serious ship going on, Like what the hell? You know
what I mean? Like it just felt like, Okay, now
she's cuddling with him at the airport because who cares
about all that other stuff? He finally had sex with her.
It just felt like, I don't know, like it I
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will say, like that really disappointed me, and you're so
legitimately upset. I'm so upset, and it upsets me that,
like people like on Twitter and stuff, I think that
that Ethan was the wronged party. It's like, guys, oh
well that's absolutely nuts. No, I come on, but I
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will say, like I on my to to take you
to keep my side of the street clean as Taylor,
as Taylor Swift says, we should do. So. I thought
this whole time, like Jack the Love Island guy was
not attractive, and I've been like, what is the whole
big shebang about this? The second he turned into like
an evil kidnapper, I was like, that is so hot,
Like he's so hot to me when he turns her
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in the car and like laugh and he's like you
meant meant? I was like, hey, maybe I like that.
When he locked the doors, I felt a tingling sensation.
I was like okay, um. And then when he's like
smoking the cigarette at the abandoned ware like so then
I was like, okay, something maybe is deeply wrong with
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me that I suddenly was like, now this is a
contender the Cowabungle. You saw the cowabunga tattoo on his neck.
Well yeah, it just became clear this week that that's
what that said and by the way, I had a
poster from a book fair in my bedroom growing up
that was like a Golden Retriever puppy on a surfboard
that said Cowabunga. That's sick, isn't it. I wish I
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had it back. I was convinced that he was going
to shoot and kill Porsche right then and there. And
there was a theory online that he was meant to
kill her but decided not to last minute, which I
do think I agree with. That makes sense. And and
also like someone posted on Twitter at the moment where
she's like, oh, so you fuck your uncle like that
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is when I was like, oh, he's gonna kill you now. Oh,
as an assistant. As a former assistant, let me just
say that Porsche's I have a lot of jealousy of
Porsche because she had to love interests on a work
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trip I I've had, not that I haven't had the
experience on location. And even though I love seeing Twitter
tear her apart for her outfits like they she wears
like what Lizzie McGuire wears, I guess. Hay Louy Richardson,
the actress who played her, said recently in an interview
that some of them are her own clothes, and everyone
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was like, we I would never share that, like keep
that to yourself, honey. I saw that there was an
interview with the with the costume designer for this show, which,
by the way, I know that like all the awards
are going to go to fucking like the Crown or something.
But the cost sign on this show has been so prostitute,
slowly going going from like dressing like Devon in two
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thousand eleven too looking like models form mew Meal has
been and Jennifer Coolidge all I know, and like in
the end, here is what else say. The costume designer
said in an interview that Portia is supposed to be
like her. Her costume design is supposed to be like
a girl who just graduated college and like doesn't know
who she is yet that's accurate. She said. She literally
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ordered like the clothes from like Instagram sponsored brands and
then like some thrift store stuff and it's like it
totally and a lot of urban outfitters, she said, And
I was like, that totally makes sense. It's like she
she's trying to be trendy sometimes and it just doesn't work.
And like I will say okay, so let me own
something here and say I was sick of Jennifer Coolidge
and I said that last week, but she her performance
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this episode was so like the world other worldly, so funny.
So it was like everything and I regret every saying
anything negative. When she doesn't think that guys can see
her while she's running, and then she slowly slows down
and it's like, Hi, love when she finally tells part
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of the truth and says, he was kind of fucking
his life. He was kind of fucking his uncle. I
had a hard time, Like, it's so funny because we
were talking so passionately about this show. But that's what
I love about good TV and good like it's just
because it feels personal, because your feelings do get involved,
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it does affect you. So when she falls into the
first of all the acting she does when she runs
into the bedroom, it is a nod to the Godfather.
She runs into the bathroom with a gun. The acting
it's just phenomenal. She looks so scared. I hearkened back
to the fact that she has family trauma. Like that's
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how good it was. As I was thinking about her backstory.
I love how they shot it. She just bursts out there,
shooting like crazy, and then she gives a line that
I think true romance listeners will fully connect with where
she says, is Greg cheating on me? I know, you know,
to a guy who literally can't speak because blood is
coming out of his mouth because she just shot him.
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And it's like, yes, no matter what, even if my
husband is trying to kill me, I talk about in Gasoline,
I want to know the truth. I want to know
why he's acting so weird. Well, also, like I think
that was part of the commentary on monogamy too though.
I was like, Okay, this is so stupid. Who cares
if he was cheating on you at this point? And
it's like I still care about cheating? Am I alone? Here?
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I get it? I got it, okay. And also I
will say that, Okay, here's the thing. There were so
many red herring like the Godfather thing. It's like we
thought she was it was going to be like a
case of like someone getting killed who was supposed to
be someone else because she was like like wearing the
same dress as that Bologna studio exact sent in a
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tip to doom Moiss, saying she would be on next
season to throw us off. No, but this is what's annoying.
I'm like the Red the Red Herrings went too far,
like them saying at the beginning that it was hotel guests,
and it wasn't really like that's annoying. It's like you
just wanted us to not know, Like that's annoying. I
so when we see her one of the most tragic
scenes in history, when she goes you can do this
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and falls off the boat, the boat bump that was
heard around the world, and then we see here in
the water and the operas playing, and I was like,
oh my god, this is you know, Madam Butterfly, Like
this is tragic. She is the tragic heroine. And a
pin could have dropped in my house. My friend was over,
my dad was in town. We were all watching it
together and the silence was deafening because I knew that
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everyone was just holding their breath being like please, please
not her, Like please, she still lives. She somehow still lives,
please please please, And nope, she does. He not to
be dead, Megan Fay. He finds her in the water,
we see her get put into the casket. It's also terrible.
I was reading um some pieces of a New York
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uh Times interview before we jumped on to record, and
Mike White is literally saying that whenever Jenner. Jennifer is
saying that whenever Mike White was in a good mood,
she would turn to him and say, I don't have
to die, do I? And Mike White is saying that
he felt like is at the end of me and
Jennifer's friendship, which I but he was like, I really
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think I handled it well. I think I did it right.
But then he watches it. He said he went over
to watch it with her alone, and she was so
sad that Tanya died, and he realized, like, something is
going to be missing next season, Like I made this
show because I wanted to where I wrote this show
for her because I wanted to work with her. Well,
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I think that I'm kind of I still am kind
of excited to see the show without her, Like I
I think she I think her storyline was like a
perfect arc, and I don't think it needed to go further.
I think you're right. I hate I hate that I
think she did have to die. By the way, I've
never related to something more like when she looks at
that and she was like, oh wait, like I can't
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do that. Like I I relate so much to that,
where it's like, Okay, that's actually just kind of a
minor inconvenience, Like you have to figure out a way
to get down to the boat and you're suddenly like, no,
I cannot go any further. I can't there are stairs
behind her. It is so tragic. She was just Yeah,
it's one of those things that I relate to her.
It's like, Okay, if there's like a line at the bar,
and like my credit card has like a tab open,
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it's like I'm like I'll just cancel the card and
get a new one, Like I just can't. I cannot
deal with that. And that's like she just killed all
these men who were trying to kill her, and then
she's like I can't do that, and then she's like
all right, let me try, and then like it's just
such a like goofy ending. But yeah, I mean I
remember thinking, Okay, she's going to kill all these men
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and then what's next, Like next season she's killed like
seven men, and that's like how do we recover from that?
But I think we could have done it, like listen.
She's really would have I would have suspended my disbelief
for more Jennifer Coolidge. I feel bad for her as
an actress because good parts like that for women over
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thirty listen, good parts where women under thirty, good parts
for women in general are so rare, Like That's why
it was so fun watching this show too. It's like
identified with Harper Megan Faye. He wasn't just like a
stupid dist she was someone who was very calculating and
can Valentina ahead. I was just gonna say quickly about
Megan Fahey, like you said about Jennifer Coolidge, like the
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acting is so good that it evokes a backstory. When
she was talking to Ethan and she's like to not
like again, says something about like just to not be
a victim like you have to. Then I suddenly was like, Okay,
she was a victim of something dark at one point.
She's trying to run away from that. Anyway, go ahead.
That's really interesting. I do think she it's it's interesting
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the dialogue online about her and Cameron about like are
they happy? Are they not happy? And there's that shot
of Cameron floss sing in the bathroom, which is probably
the best piece of acting by Theo James in the
show where and I didn't put it together until I
looked on Twitter. But in the background, you hear daddy,
I want to see daddy. I want to see daddy.
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And someone said he knows it's not his son, because
you hear face time with the children, okay, and you
hear the baby his son be like, I want to
see it, and she's like okay, and she starts calling
for Cameron right when he hears like I want to
see daddy. That's when his face drops and you see
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how angry he is and he storms into the room
and it's like, oh, of course, and and then you think, like,
of course you know what's not your son? Like if
I'm him and I see this blond eyed, blue eyed,
blonde hair, blue eyed baby, my wife knows I'm cheating
on her. I'm I'm suspicious. And she spends all her
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time with that trainer and she sees and she says
she spends more time with her trainer than she does
her husband because he's quote unquote working all the time.
I also want to give a shout out to Valentina
Um the front desk Um, the manager of the hotel,
who who If I had to guess if anyone had
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a tragic or like obviously she was going to live,
but if anyone was going to leave the storyline unsad fied.
I was guessing she would be one of them. The
fact that she got a very happy ending speaks I
I really appreciated that, Like she had the sexual awakening
and she I mean, it's interesting because I think it
goes along with what you're saying about monogamy, but in
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the sense of that she broke the rules, Like she's
kicking these prostitutes out of the hotel. They're not supposed
to be there, and then suddenly she's basically hiring a
prostitute for herself, Like she is exchanging financial goods for sex,
but it's like healthy, and this prostitute has like is
doing it all for herself, like she wants to be
behind a piano, but she's also a good person and
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like sees that like this woman, like I love what
she says, Like I think you are gonna need a
real lesbian lover though, and Valentina, like you think that
she's going to be upset, but then she's like you
think she's like I know a lot of really hot
girls who are gay, and you see like this door
opening in her life. And um, I read that the
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actress who Valentina, she there was a line that they
cut where she said to someone that like, basically I
was married to a man and it didn't work out well.
And the actors said she created her own backstore, that
she was abused by a man, like in a marriage.
And it makes sense when you think about like how
much she hates men, like she's always like scolding them
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and yelling at them, and how timid she is in
that bar scene when the prostitute is basically seducing her.
But she also that actress improvised the pepper Pig line,
which is a candidate for best line of the show.
I actually didn't love the pepper pig line because I
kind of was like, why would she evoked pepper pig
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like that character? But whatever, I guess I'm just a
hater in a lot of ways. It's okay, It's what
I love about you. I um, I was happy for her,
and I thought, how are they going to end the show?
How are they going to end? Like when the when
the coffin went the casket. I was like, they can't
end it this way. And when I saw those two
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prostitutes walking in the street in their pretty outfits, I
thought of you. I thought of I thought of Sunshine.
When they say hi to the doorman who played their
fake pimp, that made me really happy. I love the
architecture behind that. I loved what a good actress she was,
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and I loved that like as I'll be told his dad,
like is nothing to you? They just spent seven days
at a resort in Sicily that probably cost them like
twenty grand Oh. I mean, okay, So I think that
(29:48):
the movie Joy should have been about Lucia and Mia
and instead of about an excuse for David or Russell
to watch Jennifer Lawrence using phallic objects to clean But
I agree, Like I was like this is everything. Like
that made up Mia and Lucia running through the streets
and like saying hi to less E. Oh, I that
(30:09):
made up for the ending of the couple's storyline For me.
I was like, Okay, this was honestly worth it, and
like I love this so much. Someone said women's rights.
I'm supporting women's wrongs. Well, also, like I it was
interesting with the Albie and his dad think it's like
there's no good side. It's like, on the one hand,
I'm like, Albie is so spoiled for just being like, okay,
(30:30):
just give me fifty. On the other hand, the dad
is so fucked up for being like, okay, I will
if you like, convince your mom to like me again.
I'm just like, oh god, this is like such a
I mean, I got I argued with someone about this.
It's like, does the masculinity get better over time? I
don't think so. It's like I think it's still I'll
be still problematic. It's like I don't think a lot
(30:51):
of all. They all were skiezy and checked out that
girl in the airport. Like to me, that was like,
oh now, now after being like such just like a mark,
he's turned. Oh my god, he's going to become an insult.
He's gonna get chad surgery to have an angular jawline.
He's gonna get cowabung at tattooed on his neck. He
is just going to be that guy who, like suddenly
(31:13):
because he was an idiot, is putting that on all
women that he meets, as if they want his money,
when really they're just going to be like, Oh, he's
gonna be the equivalent of the men who when I
was on Hinge and I changed my bio to like
looking for something casual, the men who messaged me angrily,
and we're like, oh, you can say that, but if
a man says he wants something casual, then something's wrong
(31:34):
with it, like the men who attacks psychotic for no reason.
So that and by the way, like I feel like
we all feel like we've been on a hinge date
with albeit at some point in our lives. That is
a such a good point. That is such a good point.
I was on once a Okay Cupid date back in
the day with a guy who wore socks in his
sandals that turns out to be Albie Um. He was
(31:58):
that I was actually Albi. He was also like six
ft three and very cute, but Um had no sexual
like exuded nothing sexual and that is also albi Um
to me. I thought it was really interesting. Speaking of backstory,
Um Michael Imperial's wife. You can hear that she is
with someone when he calls her in the finale, She's
(32:21):
like talking and she's like, I can't really talk right now.
I didn't pick up on that at all. I'm a route.
I'm a freaking rube. I want to quickly talk about
Porsche at the airport. Um, when she puts on the
most heinous outfit of all time, she only goes out
with a bang. She's in disguise because she thinks the
mafia is coming after her. Because would you have gone
(32:44):
back for Will to see if he was okay? Yes, okay.
This is when I was like, of course, Like, I
was like, you aren't, was like, she's a monster. She
needs to go check on her fucking boss. She got
when she got her phone back, I was like, you
need to run, run Lassie, Like, go find Tanya and
(33:05):
make sure she's okay, Go call the police, do something.
I am you know me, I am scared of everything. Literally,
when a fight breaks out anywhere, Like I remember once
big in New York and to fight broke up out
on the street, I leave friends, I'm like, nope, not me.
I'm not doing this right now. I'm not doing this
right now. I also don't really believe in calling the
(33:27):
police because, um, I'm worried that someone is going to
get shot because they're historically very good at escalating violence,
and so I just leave situations. In case you guys
haven't heard, Um, so I I generally leave situations. But
(33:49):
I am not scared of the mafia. What is this
n No, thank you. The police are so much scared
of the mafia. I would literally go hunt Tanya down.
I would. And so it's also like it's as simple
as just going back to the hotel. It's like, just
go back. I don't I don't know. I mean, I've
had some pretty evil bosses. I've had some pretty hashtag
(34:09):
horrible bosses, if you know what I mean. Um, And
I still think I would have gone back to the
hotel and been like has anyone seen her? At least
like come on, or at least when I'll be like
someone drowned at the hotel and then a bunch of
bodies were found on a yacht. I wouldn't just be like, oh,
like exactly. I would be like, sometime I've got to
(34:32):
go reevaluate my entire life because I might have just
really fucked up. Yeah, I yeah, I I can't. With Porscha.
That was also to me. I was like, okay, this
is clearly written because if I was Porsche, the last
thing I would do would be like, okay, great, I
think we should like try our thing again. I know
it's yeah, but it was cute. I was like, Okay,
(34:52):
they needed to come back together somehow. I guess they did.
I mean I don't. I would have settled just for
a greeting. I feel bad for Here's where my real
sympathy lies. Season one White Lotus cast because they were
just blasted out of the fucking water. You know one
of um those uh, those sort of lake floats that's
(35:16):
at some camps called like the blob and someone sits
on the edge of it. I've seen heavyweights, okay. I
had one at my camp, which no, is not a
fad camp. Um, but if it was, that's okay too.
And I remember one of my earliest memories was this
huge guy. Oh my god. There was like the short,
(35:36):
skinny kid who was in front of them, and this
huge guy looking at him and saying, I'm gonna fly
you to the moon. That's exactly what White Lotus season
two did to White Lotus to the moon. It said
good bye, good riddance. I'm the I'm the big man
(35:58):
in town. Big guess what, I'm the big capoona Um No, okay,
I agree, And I actually rewatched season one because I've
been like moving and I need something out in the
background while I'm like unpacking stuff, and agree, season one
is it's good. It's it's Prestige TV. It's fine. Yeah,
(36:20):
And by the way, the Alexandra di Dario j Lacey
storyline is incredible and I love it still slapped, but
everything else is kind of like whatever. And then also
like the Tanya Belinda storyline is amazing. But yeah, I
kind of was like, I think my whole problem, as
as Carolina heard many times with that season, was the
teen girls I just found so yeah, no, I felt
(36:44):
the exact same way, but I was like, this is
setting from We're to lose the right to vote, this
is setting feminism back. But also I think this season,
the thing that was so golden about it was the
couples thing. Was like, that's never been touched on in
this way, and it's such a real thing and it's
so relatable. It's like we all know people like that,
(37:05):
We've all been in relationships like that. We've all been
the couple that's struggling or the couple that's honeymoon. Basically
a couple that's struggling. Um really an easy time of relationships.
I've been on this podcast to talk about how good
all my relationships and how easy they have been single.
I have stinker in there. My last relationship. I was
(37:27):
at one point the happy couple rubbing it in the
angry couple's face, and it was really fun. It always
starts out for a way. Yeah, it always starts out
that way. I remember I was in an suv with
this other couple and they were in the back and
this silent fight and me and my boyfriend the time,
we're driving and rapping two into club by fifty cent,
which was on the radio, and I thought, we are
(37:48):
so happy, and everyone in the back is so lame,
and I feel bad for them. Everyone so lame. I
feel bad and I feel bad for them. Little did
I know that give me some time, I would be
that couple and the Jeff Goodness great shifts. Well, apparently
you think that couple is fine and should stay together
and should cheat on each other and be happy. Apparently
that's what you want. I can't. I can't think clearly
(38:10):
around this man. I truly already looked up. But he's
happily married, he has two kids, so I'm fucked and
I know. I literally was like, Okay, I gotta get
my ship together. I gotta have sex. I don't want
a boyfriend, but like, I do want to have sex. Now.
I know this is insensitive, but like I have a
prediction based on looking at three to five Instagram photos
(38:32):
that there's trouble in Paradise and THEO James marriage and
they're going to get divorced. Okay. Interesting. I read a
bunch of tips on DO one and I want to
she has a podcast episode all about the White Lotus cast,
because I guess there was a lot of hookups happening.
Like Megan Fay he hooked up with Calabunga. I'll be
hooked up with the Lucia. Okay, wait, come on, I
(38:56):
know it's it's so hard. It's so hard. My friend
was to me, it's like, wow, women do struggle. I
know it's so dark. I'm gonna end up with a
fucking janitor. And I mean not that that's bad. Please
don't come after the comments and I don't care. Our
comments are all Republicans who are like, why do you
hate us? They're not gonna so funny. They're like, I
(39:19):
like this podcast, But is it really the worst thing
in the world to be Republican? Yeah, it is. Actually
that is the worst thing in the world. Congratulations, you
are it. And that's why I wanted to end today. No,
I wanted to say that I don't know where to
go from here, Like I need a new Sunday TV show,
I need matrients, I need to be fed. Um what
(39:40):
if I started watching Entourage and like wanted to talk
about the pot everyone, I'm saying, you need to start
watching Sister Wives. Oh my god, Carol or Real Houseves
in Miami. I'm I just started that too. I'm loving that.
But I heard that this season is really good. I
love that Larsa is giving us Dorty face and Dorry braid. Okay,
Larsa wore the same pants that I actually own in
(40:03):
a recent episode, and I was like, Okay, I'm so
like happy about this, except I wish I had a
giant fake gass to like fill it out in the back.
It's hard, But yeah, those are a couple of recommendations
I have. I think we're just going to have to
wait for the new succession to come out. And that's
that's true. That's not going to be until the spring apparently,
so until then, I guess we can read. I forgot
(40:26):
how it's been too long, And I'm just kidding. I'm
reading a couple of books and I'm taking it's it's
it's literally like my eyes are getting readjusted to reading
paper because I mostly read on my phone and that's
really depressing. Well, we will miss Tanya. I will I
will rewatch this season. I need a second because I
(40:47):
was on a group text with some colleagues and I
literally said, I feel sad and I feel lost after
her passing. So I'm going to need a second, but
I am going to dive back in. There are so
many east right exciting to see. For instance, when Tanya
gets off the boat in the in the first episode,
she goes, oh whoops and almost falls. Literally was like,
(41:10):
oh my god, that is so good. Yeah. I mean,
I don't think I can rewatch it a fourth time
just yet, but in due time that will happen. Just yet.
It was so funny looking and the fans were going
off the hook. I swear it was like our Star Wars.
People were like, Okay, everyone who wears orange is going
to die oranges or symbolic theme in the Godfather. I
(41:31):
was like, I was, I was, you know, getting that up.
I think it's like annoying because I was reading I
was reading like the best some article about the best
episodes of television and the amount of sucking Star Wars
and like Marvel Disney plus shit, Like I just feel
like popular people are supposed to be popular for a
(41:53):
reason and nerds are supposed to be nerds for a reason.
And I don't like this blending of lines. Yeah, and
that's how people like I'll be get laid. Yeah. Anyway,
it's been a journey. It's been a journey. Thank you
for coming on this white Lotus journey with us. It
was an honor. And until next week. I love you, Devin,
(42:17):
love your Carol, true since sorromantic love me, baby, don't
leave me again. I want true
Hello, and welcome to True Romance. This is Devin Larry
and this is Carolina Barlow. And we just had a
national holiday, which was Sunday Nights finale of The White Lotus.
I thought you were gonna say Sunday Nights episode of
Sister Wives. But okay, um no, I mean, listen, the
(00:41):
world stood still. It did, But okay, I think we
have to say what are theories were going in and
then talk about what actually happened. Absolutely okay. So I
was blind as a fucking ding bat. I thought that
(01:01):
little Grandpa was going to die. I also thought that
those gays were going to die. Oh I I know.
But listen, by the way, if you guys, this is
an episode in the finale, so spoiler alerts abound. And
at this point you really need to do the work.
(01:24):
You are sick, then you need Just like Kim Kardashian said,
it feels like nobody wants to work anymore. It feels
like nobody wants to turn their HBO Max anymore. I know.
And it's like get over it. It's like you have
to put the work in. I have put the work in.
I have made dinner around the White Lotus. I have
gotten my family together. Yes, I unfortunately had to watch
(01:45):
Harper and ethan sex scene, which was extremely satisfying, except
for the fact that I was watching it next to
my father. You and I have such different views. Go ahead, okay, well,
let me jump back to whore I thought was going
to die. I thought those gays were getting pushed off
a cliff. I was convinced someone was being pushed off
a cliff. I don't know if it was the shots
(02:06):
of the ocean hitting the rocks. I don't know if
it was the story that the King Gay told to
her about a woman dying um because the mafia killed
her because they wanted her home, which was sort of
a myth. He told her about an island before they
left um the hotel. But I was convinced all of
(02:29):
the gays were going to die. I was also convinced
Tanya's husband was going to make an appearance and return
and die. And Um. I thought also Jack, the hot
Love Island guy, was gonna die. So I was just
convinced that all of the bad, deceitful people in this world.
(02:50):
Even I thought maybe THEO James gets killed somehow, maybe
Daphne kills THEO James. I was convinced that something like
that was going to happen. Um, I think I thought.
I thought Harper and Ethan we're going to split up? Um,
I thought you should have Okay, Well, I disagree, and
(03:10):
mainly it's because I can. I couldn't like Ethan is
so my type in terms of like mannerisms and how
like Listen, I'm not saying that he's a good husband
an abusive dynamic. Oh got it. I don't think he's abusive.
I think he's out to lunch. Devin's looking at me
(03:31):
like I just said I voted for Mitt Romney Carolina. Okay,
so Devin, what did you think that was gonna happen?
All right? Let me let me self soothed for a second,
because I know. I know that when people disagree with me,
I get like scared and angry, and I want everyone
to validate my experience and agree exactly a rock that says,
(03:53):
breathe on it. It's like it's like my only like
the only true happiness I will ever find in this
world is if everybody says, like, one day I wake
up and everyone in my life calls me and says
like I actually realized you were right about everything, thank you,
and that will never happen. We're gonna all do that. Okay, Okay,
(04:14):
you guys got a planet excited. I'm like, okay, cool. Um,
So what was I saying? Okay, so I I all right,
let me just talk about my theories. I'm too agitated.
So my theories were. I rewatched all of the season
again a third time, and there was all this stuff
(04:34):
about Like there was like this the Godfather scene where
it says in sicily a woman is a loaded gun.
There was hades in persephone there. I was like, okay,
so this is gonna be about how women have been
like putting up with men's shipped for too long and
they're gonna fucking like finally turn the tables. And so
in that sense, I thought I knew that Luccia was
(04:57):
scamming I'll be, but I also thought that Albie was
gonna like try to get the money back from instead
of I'll be just being like, dad, can I have
fifty dollars? Um? I guess I never could have foreseen
someone being that much of a spoiled asshole, so I
will trade you my mom for dollars. So I thought
instead that he was going to try to confront Ethan
(05:20):
and Cameron about them owing Lucia money, and he was
going to get involved in their scuffle and like accidentally
fall off a balcony. Um. Also because I as pointed
out by my friend Haley, at one point, Jennifer Coolidge
makes a comment like, oh wow, like this balcony has
anyone ever like fallen over the side. But then again,
(05:44):
I guess that came over up later because she fell
off the side of something. Um, and I guess she
was a woman with a loaded gun. So it's like,
I just misread these theories. I also thought that Daphne
was going to have an absolute switch. I thought I
thought when and told Daphne that Cameron poked up with Harper,
(06:04):
I thought Daphney was going to be like, okay, got it,
switch flips and she goes fucking nuts, kills Cameron, kills Ethan,
maybe kills Harper. Like I thought she was just gonna
go fucking crazy, and I was so excited for that,
and that didn't happen. So what did happen was um
(06:25):
absolutely traumatizing. Okay, I what happened was traumatizing because this
show ended up being Okay, the show was perfect. That
being said, the ending felt like an attack on monogamy
that I don't support or appreciate. Basically, the end that
the end of the Harper Ethan, Cameron Daphne storyline was
(06:50):
such a disappointment to me. I was enraged about it. Like, Okay,
so basically, she's gonna stay with Ethan now because all
she had to do was cheat on him with someone
else for him to become interested her in her again,
never mind all the months he spent withdrawing sex from
her and then gaslighting her about it. She's just like, Oh, cool,
you want to have sex with me now? Great, I
(07:11):
guess we're married still. I guess we're happy. I guess
we'll cuddle at the airport. And then with Cameron and Daphne,
it's like, I guess they're happy because they cheat on
each other all the time, Like, what's the moral of
this story here? Okay? I have a few thoughts, one
of which is Ethan to me, seems like he doesn't
seem to me like he was intentionally gaslighting Bear with me.
(07:35):
He seems to be the kind of guy who doesn't
know how to communicate, Like when he's like, you're an adult,
so learn. Oh, he's just the type of guy who
doesn't know how to communicate. Met Carolina, Imagine I pauled
you about a man that I was dating and was like, well,
it's not his fault. He won't have sex with me,
even when he's watching porn and literally has a boner,
(07:56):
and I'm like, okay, can we have sex? He ignores
me and gets in the shower and says nothing, And
but you know what, he just doesn't know how to communicate.
What would you think? Listen, You're right, I okay, this
is why I want to defend Ethan. I find him
very attractive, like striking Lee. So like when he was
fighting theo James in the Ocean, I was like, I
(08:16):
had my own boner, and I truly I just can't
like I I'm without words. I'm a schoolgirl and um
and the first to say that I plan. I'm hoping
for an anogymous relationship. I would love to be in
an anogymous relationship someday, not today, not right now, but eventually.
(08:40):
But I do understand that you are going to be
attracted to other people. Maybe that's the extent that you
will run off with them. Like Daphne and Harper guys. Okay,
not to the extent that you're going to run off
with them and have sex on a random island like
Daft and Ethan do. But I think that there's this
(09:04):
weird tip for tat thing that's going on that makes
this like such an insensual, incestuous like bubble that they're
in and all of a sudden, and that dinner they
have was like one of my favorite scenes because you
really didn't need to know. All you need to know
was that Cameron and Daphne are delusional people, and so
they just sit down. Cameron literally has like a cut
(09:26):
on his face from Ethan punching him, and he's like,
who could believe that would still be friends all like
these years. It's just so and Daphne's like, I love you, babe,
and it's like, you clearly had sex with someone else today.
I think that Heartpert needed to be seen sexually, and
(09:48):
she was by her husband for like he was imagining
her having sex. It's sucked up. It's sucked up, like
we we do not need to clarify that this is
fucked up, but it's also like hyper sexual and he
was someone who has turned off sexually, and I think
Daphne is giving the philosophy when she gives Megan fakey,
(10:11):
by the way, gives one of the best performances on
TV I've ever seen when Ethan tells her that Harper
and Cameron I've slept together. And it was so funny
because me and my sister and some people on Twitter
were saying, like, it's clear the hurt for her is
from Harper, like she's opened up to this woman about
the fact that her husband cheats on her. She says
that she has trouble making female friends, all this stuff,
(10:33):
and she just finds out like they're this woman probably
sucked her husband. And then you see her fucking scheme
in five seconds like I've never seen scheming done before.
She literally looks off, sees this island, looks back to
him and it's like, you know, I bet that what
you think happened wasn't all that bad. And she says,
(10:55):
you don't have to know everything about someone to love them,
and she says, also, some miss three can be kind
of sexy, don't you think? And I agree with her
on those fronts, and I do think that heartburn Ethan again.
This is where listen. I know you're going to honestly
like shoot daggers at me through your eyes, and even
(11:16):
our listeners might be upset. This is what I'm like. Okay,
you guys have been married, what a decade? This is
not that bad. If you guys both had sex with
this random couple on a crazy Italian trip and if
you guys just needed to wake up sexually, and if
this is what did it fine? Okay, I really like
my mom used to say that she thought I was
(11:38):
going to be a lawyer because of like how much
I argued as a kid, and and like, I really
do think that that was my calling that I missed.
And I don't think I ever could have done because
I'm not a hard enough worker. But like, I feel
a fire inside me when someone when you want to
go to court, I want to take you to court
(11:59):
right now. Like I'm like and I and I want
to take anyone to court who disagrees with me about this.
But this is what I'll say. Okay, Yes, people are
going to be attracted to other people. You are going
to be attracted to other people in your relationship. You
are going to have sex problems in your relationship. Talk
about that communicate about that. That's all her per wanted
(12:21):
was to communicate about that, and he was not man enough.
This is the thing to me about Easan. I can't
find him attractive because he's like a little boy, Like
he doesn't have the balls to fucking talk about what's
going on. He's acting like a child. It's disgusting to me,
And it's like I've been in that relationship before where
it's like, okay, can we just talk about like can
(12:43):
we just acknowledge that something's weird? And then to use
someone out like that and be like what, okay, what
are you talking about? Like I didn't do anything what's
going like that is so fucked up and it's so childish.
So it's like, Okay, I totally understand that. Like they're
(13:04):
that they have been together a long time, like, so
talk about that, be like we need to spice things
on maybe, or like this couple is attractive, great, maybe
you guys can have a foursome maybe whatever, but like
fucking talk about it. That's what like disgusts me about him,
is like him with his rolling his eyes and acting
like a teenage boy when he's in a marriage, you're
(13:28):
in a relationship act like an adult. Truly, I'm having
trouble concentrating because talking about him, I'm just thinking about
the actor and I am so sexually attracted to him.
It's not a joke, and I agree with what you're saying.
That is a fun up thing to do. That is
gaslighting pretending that there aren't specifically sex problems in a
(13:48):
relationship because for women, for myself, that is tied to
a lot of feelings of like my own sexuality. If
I've I've dated someone, um, when I was like nineteen,
who so I was like I could have sex at
the drop of the hat, Like when I was nineteen,
literally I could be ready for sex in like twenty
(14:09):
minutes if meeting the right guy. And there was a
boyfriend I had who like wouldn't have sex with me
sometimes when I was really in love with and it
was totally the same thing where he was like what,
like I'm just not in the mood and it was
like you're the sex crazy one, and then me feeling like,
oh my god, like I'm not attractive enough he doesn't
(14:29):
want to have sex with me, and like, you know,
I just wish I could time travel and tell that
person to like go have sex with as many people
as possible, but unfortunately I decided to really try to
settle into that, and you try to like I need
to convince you I'm sexually attractive instead of being like, actually,
like this random guy like won't stop staring me at
a party and I should just be having sex with him. Um,
(14:52):
so I agree. I think that what I have come
to the conclusion that my attraction to Ethan is made
not healthy. But um, Devin and I obviously defer. The
sex scene I thought was so good. I also felt
like it was an injustice to her character. It's like
I feel like, really, she's just like, oh, okay, you
(15:13):
want to have sex with me now? Yeah, Like she
was just crying. I feel like if that was me,
I would have been like, don't touch me, like there's
serious ship going on, Like what the hell? You know
what I mean? Like it just felt like, Okay, now
she's cuddling with him at the airport because who cares
about all that other stuff? He finally had sex with her.
It just felt like, I don't know, like it I
(15:33):
will say, like that really disappointed me, and you're so
legitimately upset. I'm so upset, and it upsets me that,
like people like on Twitter and stuff, I think that
that Ethan was the wronged party. It's like, guys, oh
well that's absolutely nuts. No, I come on, but I
(15:56):
will say, like I on my to to take you
to keep my side of the street clean as Taylor,
as Taylor Swift says, we should do. So. I thought
this whole time, like Jack the Love Island guy was
not attractive, and I've been like, what is the whole
big shebang about this? The second he turned into like
an evil kidnapper, I was like, that is so hot,
Like he's so hot to me when he turns her
(16:18):
in the car and like laugh and he's like you
meant meant? I was like, hey, maybe I like that.
When he locked the doors, I felt a tingling sensation.
I was like okay, um. And then when he's like
smoking the cigarette at the abandoned ware like so then
I was like, okay, something maybe is deeply wrong with
(16:40):
me that I suddenly was like, now this is a
contender the Cowabungle. You saw the cowabunga tattoo on his neck.
Well yeah, it just became clear this week that that's
what that said and by the way, I had a
poster from a book fair in my bedroom growing up
that was like a Golden Retriever puppy on a surfboard
that said Cowabunga. That's sick, isn't it. I wish I
(17:04):
had it back. I was convinced that he was going
to shoot and kill Porsche right then and there. And
there was a theory online that he was meant to
kill her but decided not to last minute, which I
do think I agree with. That makes sense. And and
also like someone posted on Twitter at the moment where
she's like, oh, so you fuck your uncle like that
(17:26):
is when I was like, oh, he's gonna kill you now. Oh,
as an assistant. As a former assistant, let me just
say that Porsche's I have a lot of jealousy of
Porsche because she had to love interests on a work
(17:48):
trip I I've had, not that I haven't had the
experience on location. And even though I love seeing Twitter
tear her apart for her outfits like they she wears
like what Lizzie McGuire wears, I guess. Hay Louy Richardson,
the actress who played her, said recently in an interview
that some of them are her own clothes, and everyone
(18:10):
was like, we I would never share that, like keep
that to yourself, honey. I saw that there was an
interview with the with the costume designer for this show, which,
by the way, I know that like all the awards
are going to go to fucking like the Crown or something.
But the cost sign on this show has been so prostitute,
slowly going going from like dressing like Devon in two
(18:34):
thousand eleven too looking like models form mew Meal has
been and Jennifer Coolidge all I know, and like in
the end, here is what else say. The costume designer
said in an interview that Portia is supposed to be
like her. Her costume design is supposed to be like
a girl who just graduated college and like doesn't know
who she is yet that's accurate. She said. She literally
(18:56):
ordered like the clothes from like Instagram sponsored brands and
then like some thrift store stuff and it's like it
totally and a lot of urban outfitters, she said, And
I was like, that totally makes sense. It's like she
she's trying to be trendy sometimes and it just doesn't work.
And like I will say okay, so let me own
something here and say I was sick of Jennifer Coolidge
and I said that last week, but she her performance
(19:20):
this episode was so like the world other worldly, so funny.
So it was like everything and I regret every saying
anything negative. When she doesn't think that guys can see
her while she's running, and then she slowly slows down
and it's like, Hi, love when she finally tells part
(19:42):
of the truth and says, he was kind of fucking
his life. He was kind of fucking his uncle. I
had a hard time, Like, it's so funny because we
were talking so passionately about this show. But that's what
I love about good TV and good like it's just
because it feels personal, because your feelings do get involved,
(20:04):
it does affect you. So when she falls into the
first of all the acting she does when she runs
into the bedroom, it is a nod to the Godfather.
She runs into the bathroom with a gun. The acting
it's just phenomenal. She looks so scared. I hearkened back
to the fact that she has family trauma. Like that's
(20:24):
how good it was. As I was thinking about her backstory.
I love how they shot it. She just bursts out there,
shooting like crazy, and then she gives a line that
I think true romance listeners will fully connect with where
she says, is Greg cheating on me? I know, you know,
to a guy who literally can't speak because blood is
coming out of his mouth because she just shot him.
(20:46):
And it's like, yes, no matter what, even if my
husband is trying to kill me, I talk about in Gasoline,
I want to know the truth. I want to know
why he's acting so weird. Well, also, like I think
that was part of the commentary on monogamy too though.
I was like, Okay, this is so stupid. Who cares
if he was cheating on you at this point? And
it's like I still care about cheating? Am I alone? Here?
(21:09):
I get it? I got it, okay. And also I
will say that, Okay, here's the thing. There were so
many red herring like the Godfather thing. It's like we
thought she was it was going to be like a
case of like someone getting killed who was supposed to
be someone else because she was like like wearing the
same dress as that Bologna studio exact sent in a
(21:31):
tip to doom Moiss, saying she would be on next
season to throw us off. No, but this is what's annoying.
I'm like the Red the Red Herrings went too far,
like them saying at the beginning that it was hotel guests,
and it wasn't really like that's annoying. It's like you
just wanted us to not know, Like that's annoying. I
so when we see her one of the most tragic
scenes in history, when she goes you can do this
(21:53):
and falls off the boat, the boat bump that was
heard around the world, and then we see here in
the water and the operas playing, and I was like,
oh my god, this is you know, Madam Butterfly, Like
this is tragic. She is the tragic heroine. And a
pin could have dropped in my house. My friend was over,
my dad was in town. We were all watching it
together and the silence was deafening because I knew that
(22:16):
everyone was just holding their breath being like please, please
not her, Like please, she still lives. She somehow still lives,
please please please, And nope, she does. He not to
be dead, Megan Fay. He finds her in the water,
we see her get put into the casket. It's also terrible.
I was reading um some pieces of a New York
(22:36):
uh Times interview before we jumped on to record, and
Mike White is literally saying that whenever Jenner. Jennifer is
saying that whenever Mike White was in a good mood,
she would turn to him and say, I don't have
to die, do I? And Mike White is saying that
he felt like is at the end of me and
Jennifer's friendship, which I but he was like, I really
(22:58):
think I handled it well. I think I did it right.
But then he watches it. He said he went over
to watch it with her alone, and she was so
sad that Tanya died, and he realized, like, something is
going to be missing next season, Like I made this
show because I wanted to where I wrote this show
for her because I wanted to work with her. Well,
(23:19):
I think that I'm kind of I still am kind
of excited to see the show without her, Like I
I think she I think her storyline was like a
perfect arc, and I don't think it needed to go further.
I think you're right. I hate I hate that I
think she did have to die. By the way, I've
never related to something more like when she looks at
that and she was like, oh wait, like I can't
(23:39):
do that. Like I I relate so much to that,
where it's like, Okay, that's actually just kind of a
minor inconvenience, Like you have to figure out a way
to get down to the boat and you're suddenly like, no,
I cannot go any further. I can't there are stairs
behind her. It is so tragic. She was just Yeah,
it's one of those things that I relate to her.
It's like, Okay, if there's like a line at the bar,
and like my credit card has like a tab open,
(24:01):
it's like I'm like I'll just cancel the card and
get a new one, Like I just can't. I cannot
deal with that. And that's like she just killed all
these men who were trying to kill her, and then
she's like I can't do that, and then she's like
all right, let me try, and then like it's just
such a like goofy ending. But yeah, I mean I
remember thinking, Okay, she's going to kill all these men
(24:22):
and then what's next, Like next season she's killed like
seven men, and that's like how do we recover from that?
But I think we could have done it, like listen.
She's really would have I would have suspended my disbelief
for more Jennifer Coolidge. I feel bad for her as
an actress because good parts like that for women over
(24:44):
thirty listen, good parts where women under thirty, good parts
for women in general are so rare, Like That's why
it was so fun watching this show too. It's like
identified with Harper Megan Faye. He wasn't just like a
stupid dist she was someone who was very calculating and
can Valentina ahead. I was just gonna say quickly about
Megan Fahey, like you said about Jennifer Coolidge, like the
(25:06):
acting is so good that it evokes a backstory. When
she was talking to Ethan and she's like to not
like again, says something about like just to not be
a victim like you have to. Then I suddenly was like, Okay,
she was a victim of something dark at one point.
She's trying to run away from that. Anyway, go ahead.
That's really interesting. I do think she it's it's interesting
(25:29):
the dialogue online about her and Cameron about like are
they happy? Are they not happy? And there's that shot
of Cameron floss sing in the bathroom, which is probably
the best piece of acting by Theo James in the
show where and I didn't put it together until I
looked on Twitter. But in the background, you hear daddy,
I want to see daddy. I want to see daddy.
(25:50):
And someone said he knows it's not his son, because
you hear face time with the children, okay, and you
hear the baby his son be like, I want to
see it, and she's like okay, and she starts calling
for Cameron right when he hears like I want to
see daddy. That's when his face drops and you see
(26:11):
how angry he is and he storms into the room
and it's like, oh, of course, and and then you think, like,
of course you know what's not your son? Like if
I'm him and I see this blond eyed, blue eyed,
blonde hair, blue eyed baby, my wife knows I'm cheating
on her. I'm I'm suspicious. And she spends all her
(26:31):
time with that trainer and she sees and she says
she spends more time with her trainer than she does
her husband because he's quote unquote working all the time.
I also want to give a shout out to Valentina
Um the front desk Um, the manager of the hotel,
who who If I had to guess if anyone had
(26:53):
a tragic or like obviously she was going to live,
but if anyone was going to leave the storyline unsad fied.
I was guessing she would be one of them. The
fact that she got a very happy ending speaks I
I really appreciated that, Like she had the sexual awakening
and she I mean, it's interesting because I think it
goes along with what you're saying about monogamy, but in
(27:15):
the sense of that she broke the rules, Like she's
kicking these prostitutes out of the hotel. They're not supposed
to be there, and then suddenly she's basically hiring a
prostitute for herself, Like she is exchanging financial goods for sex,
but it's like healthy, and this prostitute has like is
doing it all for herself, like she wants to be
behind a piano, but she's also a good person and
(27:37):
like sees that like this woman, like I love what
she says, Like I think you are gonna need a
real lesbian lover though, and Valentina, like you think that
she's going to be upset, but then she's like you
think she's like I know a lot of really hot
girls who are gay, and you see like this door
opening in her life. And um, I read that the
(27:59):
actress who Valentina, she there was a line that they
cut where she said to someone that like, basically I
was married to a man and it didn't work out well.
And the actors said she created her own backstore, that
she was abused by a man, like in a marriage.
And it makes sense when you think about like how
much she hates men, like she's always like scolding them
(28:19):
and yelling at them, and how timid she is in
that bar scene when the prostitute is basically seducing her.
But she also that actress improvised the pepper Pig line,
which is a candidate for best line of the show.
I actually didn't love the pepper pig line because I
kind of was like, why would she evoked pepper pig
(28:42):
like that character? But whatever, I guess I'm just a
hater in a lot of ways. It's okay, It's what
I love about you. I um, I was happy for her,
and I thought, how are they going to end the show?
How are they going to end? Like when the when
the coffin went the casket. I was like, they can't
end it this way. And when I saw those two
(29:04):
prostitutes walking in the street in their pretty outfits, I
thought of you. I thought of I thought of Sunshine.
When they say hi to the doorman who played their
fake pimp, that made me really happy. I love the
architecture behind that. I loved what a good actress she was,
(29:24):
and I loved that like as I'll be told his dad,
like is nothing to you? They just spent seven days
at a resort in Sicily that probably cost them like
twenty grand Oh. I mean, okay, So I think that
(29:48):
the movie Joy should have been about Lucia and Mia
and instead of about an excuse for David or Russell
to watch Jennifer Lawrence using phallic objects to clean But
I agree, Like I was like this is everything. Like
that made up Mia and Lucia running through the streets
and like saying hi to less E. Oh, I that
(30:09):
made up for the ending of the couple's storyline For me.
I was like, Okay, this was honestly worth it, and
like I love this so much. Someone said women's rights.
I'm supporting women's wrongs. Well, also, like I it was
interesting with the Albie and his dad think it's like
there's no good side. It's like, on the one hand,
I'm like, Albie is so spoiled for just being like, okay,
(30:30):
just give me fifty. On the other hand, the dad
is so fucked up for being like, okay, I will
if you like, convince your mom to like me again.
I'm just like, oh god, this is like such a
I mean, I got I argued with someone about this.
It's like, does the masculinity get better over time? I
don't think so. It's like I think it's still I'll
be still problematic. It's like I don't think a lot
(30:51):
of all. They all were skiezy and checked out that
girl in the airport. Like to me, that was like,
oh now, now after being like such just like a mark,
he's turned. Oh my god, he's going to become an insult.
He's gonna get chad surgery to have an angular jawline.
He's gonna get cowabung at tattooed on his neck. He
is just going to be that guy who, like suddenly
(31:13):
because he was an idiot, is putting that on all
women that he meets, as if they want his money,
when really they're just going to be like, Oh, he's
gonna be the equivalent of the men who when I
was on Hinge and I changed my bio to like
looking for something casual, the men who messaged me angrily,
and we're like, oh, you can say that, but if
a man says he wants something casual, then something's wrong
(31:34):
with it, like the men who attacks psychotic for no reason.
So that and by the way, like I feel like
we all feel like we've been on a hinge date
with albeit at some point in our lives. That is
a such a good point. That is such a good point.
I was on once a Okay Cupid date back in
the day with a guy who wore socks in his
sandals that turns out to be Albie Um. He was
(31:58):
that I was actually Albi. He was also like six
ft three and very cute, but Um had no sexual
like exuded nothing sexual and that is also albi Um
to me. I thought it was really interesting. Speaking of backstory,
Um Michael Imperial's wife. You can hear that she is
with someone when he calls her in the finale, She's
(32:21):
like talking and she's like, I can't really talk right now.
I didn't pick up on that at all. I'm a route.
I'm a freaking rube. I want to quickly talk about
Porsche at the airport. Um, when she puts on the
most heinous outfit of all time, she only goes out
with a bang. She's in disguise because she thinks the
mafia is coming after her. Because would you have gone
(32:44):
back for Will to see if he was okay? Yes, okay.
This is when I was like, of course, Like, I
was like, you aren't, was like, she's a monster. She
needs to go check on her fucking boss. She got
when she got her phone back, I was like, you
need to run, run Lassie, Like, go find Tanya and
(33:05):
make sure she's okay, Go call the police, do something.
I am you know me, I am scared of everything. Literally,
when a fight breaks out anywhere, Like I remember once
big in New York and to fight broke up out
on the street, I leave friends, I'm like, nope, not me.
I'm not doing this right now. I'm not doing this
right now. I also don't really believe in calling the
(33:27):
police because, um, I'm worried that someone is going to
get shot because they're historically very good at escalating violence,
and so I just leave situations. In case you guys
haven't heard, Um, so I I generally leave situations. But
(33:49):
I am not scared of the mafia. What is this
n No, thank you. The police are so much scared
of the mafia. I would literally go hunt Tanya down.
I would. And so it's also like it's as simple
as just going back to the hotel. It's like, just
go back. I don't I don't know. I mean, I've
had some pretty evil bosses. I've had some pretty hashtag
(34:09):
horrible bosses, if you know what I mean. Um, And
I still think I would have gone back to the
hotel and been like has anyone seen her? At least
like come on, or at least when I'll be like
someone drowned at the hotel and then a bunch of
bodies were found on a yacht. I wouldn't just be like, oh,
like exactly. I would be like, sometime I've got to
(34:32):
go reevaluate my entire life because I might have just
really fucked up. Yeah, I yeah, I I can't. With Porscha.
That was also to me. I was like, okay, this
is clearly written because if I was Porsche, the last
thing I would do would be like, okay, great, I
think we should like try our thing again. I know
it's yeah, but it was cute. I was like, Okay,
(34:52):
they needed to come back together somehow. I guess they did.
I mean I don't. I would have settled just for
a greeting. I feel bad for Here's where my real
sympathy lies. Season one White Lotus cast because they were
just blasted out of the fucking water. You know one
of um those uh, those sort of lake floats that's
(35:16):
at some camps called like the blob and someone sits
on the edge of it. I've seen heavyweights, okay. I
had one at my camp, which no, is not a
fad camp. Um, but if it was, that's okay too.
And I remember one of my earliest memories was this
huge guy. Oh my god. There was like the short,
(35:36):
skinny kid who was in front of them, and this
huge guy looking at him and saying, I'm gonna fly
you to the moon. That's exactly what White Lotus season
two did to White Lotus to the moon. It said
good bye, good riddance. I'm the I'm the big man
(35:58):
in town. Big guess what, I'm the big capoona Um No, okay,
I agree, And I actually rewatched season one because I've
been like moving and I need something out in the
background while I'm like unpacking stuff, and agree, season one
is it's good. It's it's Prestige TV. It's fine. Yeah,
(36:20):
And by the way, the Alexandra di Dario j Lacey
storyline is incredible and I love it still slapped, but
everything else is kind of like whatever. And then also
like the Tanya Belinda storyline is amazing. But yeah, I
kind of was like, I think my whole problem, as
as Carolina heard many times with that season, was the
teen girls I just found so yeah, no, I felt
(36:44):
the exact same way, but I was like, this is
setting from We're to lose the right to vote, this
is setting feminism back. But also I think this season,
the thing that was so golden about it was the
couples thing. Was like, that's never been touched on in
this way, and it's such a real thing and it's
so relatable. It's like we all know people like that,
(37:05):
We've all been in relationships like that. We've all been
the couple that's struggling or the couple that's honeymoon. Basically
a couple that's struggling. Um really an easy time of relationships.
I've been on this podcast to talk about how good
all my relationships and how easy they have been single.
I have stinker in there. My last relationship. I was
(37:27):
at one point the happy couple rubbing it in the
angry couple's face, and it was really fun. It always
starts out for a way. Yeah, it always starts out
that way. I remember I was in an suv with
this other couple and they were in the back and
this silent fight and me and my boyfriend the time,
we're driving and rapping two into club by fifty cent,
which was on the radio, and I thought, we are
(37:48):
so happy, and everyone in the back is so lame,
and I feel bad for them. Everyone so lame. I
feel bad and I feel bad for them. Little did
I know that give me some time, I would be
that couple and the Jeff Goodness great shifts. Well, apparently
you think that couple is fine and should stay together
and should cheat on each other and be happy. Apparently
that's what you want. I can't. I can't think clearly
(38:10):
around this man. I truly already looked up. But he's
happily married, he has two kids, so I'm fucked and
I know. I literally was like, Okay, I gotta get
my ship together. I gotta have sex. I don't want
a boyfriend, but like, I do want to have sex. Now.
I know this is insensitive, but like I have a
prediction based on looking at three to five Instagram photos
(38:32):
that there's trouble in Paradise and THEO James marriage and
they're going to get divorced. Okay. Interesting. I read a
bunch of tips on DO one and I want to
she has a podcast episode all about the White Lotus cast,
because I guess there was a lot of hookups happening.
Like Megan Fay he hooked up with Calabunga. I'll be
hooked up with the Lucia. Okay, wait, come on, I
(38:56):
know it's it's so hard. It's so hard. My friend
was to me, it's like, wow, women do struggle. I
know it's so dark. I'm gonna end up with a
fucking janitor. And I mean not that that's bad. Please
don't come after the comments and I don't care. Our
comments are all Republicans who are like, why do you
hate us? They're not gonna so funny. They're like, I
(39:19):
like this podcast, But is it really the worst thing
in the world to be Republican? Yeah, it is. Actually
that is the worst thing in the world. Congratulations, you
are it. And that's why I wanted to end today. No,
I wanted to say that I don't know where to
go from here, Like I need a new Sunday TV show,
I need matrients, I need to be fed. Um what
(39:40):
if I started watching Entourage and like wanted to talk
about the pot everyone, I'm saying, you need to start
watching Sister Wives. Oh my god, Carol or Real Houseves
in Miami. I'm I just started that too. I'm loving that.
But I heard that this season is really good. I
love that Larsa is giving us Dorty face and Dorry braid. Okay,
Larsa wore the same pants that I actually own in
(40:03):
a recent episode, and I was like, Okay, I'm so
like happy about this, except I wish I had a
giant fake gass to like fill it out in the back.
It's hard, But yeah, those are a couple of recommendations
I have. I think we're just going to have to
wait for the new succession to come out. And that's
that's true. That's not going to be until the spring apparently,
so until then, I guess we can read. I forgot
(40:26):
how it's been too long, And I'm just kidding. I'm
reading a couple of books and I'm taking it's it's
it's literally like my eyes are getting readjusted to reading
paper because I mostly read on my phone and that's
really depressing. Well, we will miss Tanya. I will I
will rewatch this season. I need a second because I
(40:47):
was on a group text with some colleagues and I
literally said, I feel sad and I feel lost after
her passing. So I'm going to need a second, but
I am going to dive back in. There are so
many east right exciting to see. For instance, when Tanya
gets off the boat in the in the first episode,
she goes, oh whoops and almost falls. Literally was like,
(41:10):
oh my god, that is so good. Yeah. I mean,
I don't think I can rewatch it a fourth time
just yet, but in due time that will happen. Just yet.
It was so funny looking and the fans were going
off the hook. I swear it was like our Star Wars.
People were like, Okay, everyone who wears orange is going
to die oranges or symbolic theme in the Godfather. I
(41:31):
was like, I was, I was, you know, getting that up.
I think it's like annoying because I was reading I
was reading like the best some article about the best
episodes of television and the amount of sucking Star Wars
and like Marvel Disney plus shit, Like I just feel
like popular people are supposed to be popular for a
(41:53):
reason and nerds are supposed to be nerds for a reason.
And I don't like this blending of lines. Yeah, and
that's how people like I'll be get laid. Yeah. Anyway,
it's been a journey. It's been a journey. Thank you
for coming on this white Lotus journey with us. It
was an honor. And until next week. I love you, Devin,
(42:17):
love your Carol, true since sorromantic love me, baby, don't
leave me again. I want true
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