June 15, 2021 • 42 mins
In the first episode of Truth Hounds, Anna and Kyle decide that they have no choice, but to put on their investigation hats and take on life’s most mundane yet universal mysteries. In this episode, they investigate late people, and why it is that they are always late. Will they get to the truth?
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Hosted by Anna Seregina @cashmoneygranpa & Kyle Mizono @jylemizono.
Edited by Adam Wand @Adam_Wand.
Produced by Anna Hossnieh & Miles Gray.
Special thanks to our late people focus group, late people focus group hopefuls, Chris, Mia & Whit.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Truth Hounds, a production of I Heart Radio.
Hey there, let me ask you something. When's the last
time you found yourself questioning something? Oh? And I don't
mean like how tall is Mount Kilimanjaro, who was the
Secretary of Agriculture under President Hoover? Or do toads share
a secret love language? I mean questions that are a
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little more abstract, or let's just say earnest, like why
is it so hard for me to remember that one
guy's name. I've met him like five times, and each
time I'm left scratching my head? Or why does that
one neighbor of mine never say hi to me, even
though we've lived next to each other for years? And
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why does that one woman look so good in hats?
But when I put on a hat, I look so bad.
Someone reported me to the police. Okay, I'm exaggerating, but
you understand where I'm coming from. M I don't know
about you, but I have questions like these ones every day.
And when these questions arise, they seem so pressing, and
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I think to myself, can someone please look into this?
Kyle and I met on a little curbside in Los Angeles.
I said, I like your boots and she said thanks.
There's just something about her curiosity that made me see
the world a little differently. Kyle un Well, she always
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had a lot of questions. But the thing I've come
to realize is that Kyle's questions they really were everyone's questions.
She just had the guts to ask them. And after
years of hearing her ponder and probe, well, I was
convinced that we couldn't keep sitting in these questions. We
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had to do something about them. That's where our story
kind of begins. I'm Anna and I've been unemployed for
about a year now, so I really have nothing going on.
And I'm Kyle. In middle school, I received the award
most Enthusiastic to Learn, So that makes me pretty special.
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And that is what makes us the perfect investigative duo.
We are two friends who love each other very much,
but what we love even more is getting to the
bottom of mysteries. All mysteries, sure, but small mysteries specifically.
Trust me, No mystery is too small. No, no, no,
Why don't you trust me when I tell you? We
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are ready to snip around? We are the truth? How Hello?
Hey Kyle? Yeah, Hey, Hey, it's Sannah, Hey, Um, are
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you busy right now? Um? I'm a little tied up
in some stuff. But what's up? Well, Um, we need
to talk. I'll be right there. A little something you
should know is that we both love the show Laguna Beach.
Anytime the characters on the show needed to talk, they
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would meet at the beach. It added instant drama and
the production value doubled through the roof. We love that
about it, so we decided to do that too. To
the beach. We went, Hi, thank you so much for
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meeting me here. It was like an hour drive and
you know, there's some rush hour traffic. But really yeah,
in case you didn't catch that, Kyle said, rush hour traffic.
See the thing about Kyle is that you was wearing
three masks that day. I promise you'll hear it in
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the recording. Well, it's really beautiful. Nice. We were at
the beach and it really was beautiful. The color, I mean,
just the way the ras painting it really does. It
looks amazing. It really was beautiful. Even our sound guy
Roman thoughts, so that looks nice right there. I mean,
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he wanted to take photos of us, take one of
Kyle sitting down and then yes, and then take one Havanna.
That's very nice. Okay, Roman, that's enough. It really just
makes me think that, you know, we really are just
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a speck of dust kind of in the grand scheme
of life. Wow. Yeah, I never thought about that, like
like the you said, nature just has a way of
taking your breath away. But anyways, that's a story for
another time. I got to my point, the real reason
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why I asked Kyle to meet me at the beach.
You know, the other day I was, Um, I was
meeting with a friend of mine who's not you, by
the way, um, and we were supposed to meet at
like four. We were going to meet up for coffee,
but socially distance of course, you know. Um, we were
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going to meet up, and we were going to meet
up at four, and then he he was late. But
he was so late that I swear I looked at
my phone and it was it was like four sixteen
and I still hadn't heard from him. Crazy, because literally,
I have a friend not you did the same thing
to me the other day. Really, I wonder if it
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was the same friend. We shouldn't say the names, right,
we should say the name tell me with your eyes.
Who the person all to tell you of my eyes? Okay, um, okay,
no it was It's a different person. Kyle couldn't contain
her frustration. Just what is with people? I mean, you
trust them with your time and they betray you. I mean,
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I feel like someone betrays me like that. You're basically
betraying my family. To be honest, it hurts my feelings. Carl,
are you okay? Yeah? What are you sure? Look at me?
I'm looking at you and you're okay, Yeah, I'm fine. Okay.
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Little did she know that frustration was actually the fuel
we needed to start our investigation Episode one, Why are
some people always late? For any good investigation, you need
a plan, a place to start. Well, we didn't know
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exactly how to start. We just knew that we had
to hear from a lot of different people from a
lot of different backgrounds, like a focus group, a group
of people in front of whom you test an idea.
So we came up with the following plan. Well, let's
gather a group of chronically late people in a zoom
and asked them why they're late and what was up
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with that? In case you didn't know, Zoom is the
leader in modern enterprise video communication with an easy, reliable
cloud platform for video and audio conferencing. But how are
we going to find people for our Zoom We thought
about the areas of our lives where we interact with
the most people. It was definitely Instagram. I mean, Anna
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had about five thousand followers, actually five thousand sixty four
to be exact. Anyways, it was a lot. She was
basically an Instagram superstar in my book, and me I
just had him easily twenty followers, mostly made up of
my cousins and my aunties. We put up a post
that said, are you late? Why are you late? Reach
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out to us? Also, Kyle attached a really cool photo
of a guy who's late. You can tell he's late
because he's standing in front of a clock and he
looks stressed. Immediately, the calls came flooding in. We started
to get in touch with the people who responded to
the post before we would officially invite them to the
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focus group. We wanted to see what they were all about,
mostly to get a sense of their Zoom style. We
couldn't just let anyone into our Zoom group, you know
how things can get and so I had posted um
on Instagram looking for people who are late or habitually
or know someone who's late, and you responded, our daughter
is late. Yeah that sounded promising. Jeez, snug as a
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bug in a cocoon of family on a fluid. I
really wasn't following, Kyle. I'll tell you what I was following.
This person was a nerd. Yeah, she was due Monday
and now she's five days late. So oh man, that
was the right kind of late. It was awkward. I
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didn't know what to say to a pregnant person, so
I just started saying mazel talk, but you know, but
mozele talk. I also didn't know what to say, so
I also ended up saying mosle talk. Yeah, definitely model talk,
and congratulations to you guys. This wasn't the lead we
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were looking for. Another person reached out to us and
said she was late. It's kind of been a lifelong thing,
and I think, honestly, I learned it from my my mother.
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Now we're getting somewhere. I don't know if it's genetic,
I don't know if it's something in my d n A. Okay,
all good stuff, but would she be good in a
zoom with other people? We asked about her zoom style.
I kind of like to just be more an observer
than like, okay, check me out. I'm I'm in the zoom,
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so you kind of check out? Would you say when
you're in a zoom, I'm I'll look at my phone notifications,
social media, you know. Okay. We thought we could probably
work with that, but then something happened and things got weird.
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It happened if she was saying something pretty innocuous. She
was basically just describing her computer setup. I have my
part of my room where where she described her couch
and lighting, and then well, we'll let you listen for yourself.
You could visibly see all the naked people behind me. Okay.
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Then the next thing seemed to come out of nowhere.
We tried to keep our composure, but it really caught
us off guard, and those stickers happened to me, big
titty anime girls, What was that? I got really flustered.
I didn't want this to derail our investigation, so I
tried to keep the conversation going. And they also have
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their privates covered, so it's sort of the offense. Yeah,
I was flustered. I said, whatever came to my mind. Hey,
it's okay. Another guy reached out and said he was
always late, and at first it's under promising my dad.
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We all get mad at each other all the time,
like you know, there's always somebody. We're all late, but
there's always somebody who's the latest, you know. Okay, I
guess this was going somewhere, but she told her one
and then my sister showed up at like or something
like that, which is already and half late. You know
what was this guy talking about it? We tried to
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move the conversation along, is to switch gears, if that's
okay with you. I have two really great stories on
my sister that I did think of, but we can.
Oh god, okay. You might be thinking, well, what's wrong
with that guy? That seems like a pretty good response
to your prompt. But I have to tell you something.
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We know this guy and then he's our biggest fan. Actually,
let me clarify, he's kind of our only fan, and
so he always responds to stuff. He's at the front
rover shows. He's the first one in our d M.
One time I posted about a vacancy in my apartment
complex and he responded to that saying he was interested it,
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but that he wasn't really even looking for an apartment.
So at a certain point, it's like, buddy, back off.
I don't know, do you guys have any advice? How
do you tell your fan that you need a little
bit of space? But you know, we didn't want to
be rude, so we let him keep talking. Okay, So
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just the one of the one of the really legendary
ones is uh, she wants tried to throw a surprise
party for her husband, and so she told all these
people just kept going on. So my mom passed away
by eight years ago. That was it. We had to
pull the blood. We appreciate you talking to us in
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all of the stories you had, Anna, I'm not a
mean person, but I didn't appreciate all the stories he had.
I know things looked grim. We hadn't found the right
people for our Zoom group. And Kyle, she seemed to
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take it personally. I mean, one of her biggest fears
and I shouldn't be telling you this is throwing a
party and no one shows up, or even worse, the
wrong people show up and then you're stuck talking to them. No.
Plus Kyle's very very sensitive. Her older brother introduced her
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to sad music at a very young age. All sorts
of sad music, sad bossanova, sad jazz, sad blues, you
get it. Well, anyway, she got lost in her emotions,
is what I'm trying to say. We lost contact for months.
Fall came and went, the leaves changed colors. Next thing
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you know, it was the holidays. Here's the thing that
post we made. It didn't just go unnoticed. The calls
kept coming in. Next thing you know. I was doing
the screenings myself, just to keep the dream of the
investigation going. I mean, we set out to do something great.
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You can't just walk away from that. And eventually I
had gathered enough people for our Zoom group. These people,
they were amazing. Kyle would love them. I just knew
she would. I gave her a call. I had no
idea what states she would be in, but it was
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worse than I thought. Hey suicide, Hey Kyler, are you okay?
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What are you doing? I'm just cleaning out my nose
ring met his murder? Um? Okay, um, anyway, do you
remember that thing that we were working on. I tried
to forgid I could okay, okay, Um, Well look I've
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got some really juicy bites. I'll be right there. After
a tough couple of months, I was happy to hear
from Anna. This was great news. Yes, months had gone by,
the leaves had changed colors, and it was already the holidays.
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But I guess you could say then I found my
smile again. I know things are getting really good, but
we have to take a break for some ads, and
the ad break is over. Together, we contacted the but
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who reached out to us, and soon we had our
Zoom group. We arranged it for three pm on some
unremarkable Thursday. We told people, don't be late. Next thing
we knew. The day came. I just wanted to say
thank you for being here for our late people conference.
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Everyone took turns introducing themselves. Hey, I'm Calin can you
hear me? Okay, um, Hello, my name is Sarah, I'm Dylan. Hello,
I'm Chris, and I'm late. Yeah, we know that's why
you're here anyway. Chris had more to say, Um, the
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latest I think I've ever been. Um, well, one time
I just didn't show up. Wow, that was shocking. That's shocking.
We moved on to the next person. Hi, I'm Heather
once or twice, I've I've pulled Chris. Can we not
call it that? Maybe? Okay? That was kind of funky,
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but we had to keep going. Okay, Hi, can you
hear me? Okay, my name's Hannah. Um and the latest
I've ever been is I would say several hours. I
personally don't consider not showing up at all late. I
consider that a cancelation. Um. I hope that's okay, Chris.
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I don't know why everyone is attacking This was absolute chaos. Okay,
So going forward, can we just, out of respect for Chris,
let's refrain from calling it pulling a Chris? Poor guy? Well,
back to the drawing board. We had to come up
with some new rules. Just so Chris feels comfortable, UM,
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no calling and pulling a Chris. And then I guess, um,
if just to be polite, maybe don't even reference Chris. Um,
just so he feels comfortable. If it's easier, I would
recommend just pretend he's not there. Okay, that also doesn't
really feel very good. This is exactly how zooms can
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be messy. People pitted against each other, brother against brother,
absolute chaos. We had to set some ground rules and
then begin your answer with the phrase and just to
pivot off that last point. So just when you start,
you go and just to pivot off that last point,
and then you answer the question. But we didn't want
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to be milled. I mean, we weren't complete tyrants. Um.
If you kind of want to have fun with that,
you feel free to say and just to jump off
that last point um. And I guess alternately you can
also say and just to pop off that last point.
Feel free to use any one of those three, but
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just make sure that you land on point. That's kind
of um, that is important. And so discussion began. The
prompt was what is the reason you're late? Kyle? And
I went first, just to reset the tone, just to
pop cop off that last point. Uh. I I don't
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really have a reason because I'm typically five to ten
minutes uh early. Just to pivot off that last point,
I too, am um not really late, and just to
jump off that point. Uh. I'm I like to set
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people's expectations for how on time I'm gonna be because
one day someone's gonna lie to me about the time
and I'll show up right on time or even a
few minutes early, and It's such a gift to them.
This was finally working. Just to jump off that last point.
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I think my cycle of lateness started in childhood because
I had a mom who was always late. But then
something happened again. We noticed it as Anna was finishing up.
Great point. I go, wow, but it doesn't really speak
to me. Just to jump off that last point before
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we move on to the next point. Um, someone did
just show up and it is three. My name's Daniel.
Y'all caught me eating cold chicken out of my refrigerator
because I've been in queue for fifteen minutes and I
was fifteen minutes late because I was running. Okay, what
was with these people? This guy showed up twenty eight
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minutes late to a zoom eating cold chicken. That was
not an excuse. It was a dead end. How are
we supposed to apply cold chicken to a global phenomenon?
We decided to move on next. Kyle presented the group
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with a really cool quote. Just to get everybody's creative
juices flowing. She asked for her thoughts. The world is
and forever late for me. Now, that was a very
interesting quote, Kyle, Where did you hear that quote? By
the way, Um, we'll talk about it later. We were
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excited to hear everybody's responses, and just to pop off
that that quote, uh doesn't mean anything to me, okay,
And just to jump off that point, I feel similarly
in that I didn't say that quote, and so why
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would I know what it means if I'm not the
one who said so? Thank you? M hmm. Kyle's special
quote didn't really seem to be landing that well. But
maybe someone else would have a better opinion. I mean,
we've all been there, different strokes, different folks, you get um,
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just to pivot off that that quote doesn't inspire intellectual
agreement in me, now, I'm sorry. I just have to
ask again, where did you hear this quote? H it
was a friend you don't know himber in like the store.
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And just to pivot off that point for me, I
think the quote is confusing, Just to pivot off that
last point, it means so little to me. I'm I'm, I'm,
I'm honestly having trouble remembering what the quote I honestly,
I think I might have seen it on a sign
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or on billboard or in a movie, or maybe it
was a quote in my dreams. I honestly might have
just made it up. Look, I'm really sorry, I really
messed this one up. Um. Okay, well, it seems like
a lot of people didn't like a quote. Hey, it's okay.
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This is our first investigation. You can't win them all.
Maybe one day we'll do a blooper reel and this
will definitely be a part of that. I do love
blooper reels, like the Mr. Mom one. Yeah, Kyle, like
the Mr. Mom one. I tried not to panic in
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front of Kyle. But we were looking for something more substantial,
something that would move the investigation along. It. Then Chris
said the exact type of thing that we were looking for. Um,
And just to hop off that last point, Um, I
think I have a bad grasp on how long the
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steps to take to accomplish tasks. So I think about,
so I need to go somewhere and it takes fifteen
minutes to drive there. That I'm like, as long as
I leave seventeen minutes before then, I'll get there on time.
Bank we could work with that. Chris said that the
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reason why he was late is because he constantly underestimated
how long stuff took. This was a concrete and scientific reason.
Then the thing about a concrete and scientific reason is
that we could observe it. Maybe it wasn't about looking
at a variety of reasons why people really, Maybe it
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was about finding one reason and studying that closely. We
asked to everyone to leave and head Chris stick around
to hatch the next phase of our plan, observing the
late person in action. Chris, Uh, you're creating quite a
stir um. If you could, uh stay on the zoom
and we could talk to you, but everyone else you
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can leave. We wondered if we could tag along on
his next outing. You see, we were going to turn
Chris into a case study to observe what goes on
before he's supposed to be somewhere. Yeah, is there? Do
you have an event or you have to be on
time for something coming up soon? Um, I'm supposed to
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have like a socially distant um get together with my
friend Mia tomorrow. What better way to investigate someone's lateness
than by watching them get ready to be late? Kyle,
You're brilliant and now in ad break. The ad break
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is over. We showed up at Chris's house the next day.
It was a sunny and warm afternoon, and we were
feeling really excited, the kind of feeling you have before
opening up a really big gift from your auntie and
you know it's going to be good. She doesn't always come,
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but she always brings the best gifts. I Hi, Hello,
So can you just really quickly introduce herself for us. Hi,
my name is Chris, and I'm a late person. This
guy had just seemed okay on zoom, but in person
that was another story. He seemed awesome, and not that
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it was about this, but he was absolutely gorgeous. He
had the kind of big brown eyes that you could
really get lost in. And his body well, let's just
say that his was happy to be there. Let's leave
it at that. This is really nice. This is really nice.
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And what is that thing right there. It's like a
little vacuum. It's like a little laundry bag on a tree.
It was a hummingbird feeder. But that's a story for
another time. Anyway, one thing was for certain. I loved
Kyle's curiosity. Yes, I'm supposed to go meet me at
and you've been cleared to join us. Okay, okay, um.
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So it's a little after two now, and I don't
really have anything planned. Yeah, probably going to clean my
room a little bit. Okay, Okay. Chris had told us
he's late because he doesn't know how to manage his time.
So we decided to sit right outside of his bedroom
window and watch this mismanagement happen in real time, so
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they will be okay, here, are you comfortable with this? Kay?
Kind of just act like we're not here. We settled
in sitting right below his bedroom window, just a slab
of concrete next to some stairs, fenced off area, light breeze,
a couple of butterflies, standard stuff. So he's a little
over an hour until he has to be there, and
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he is touching stuff in his room. He is now
looks like picked up a bag of his toilet trees
and he is yeah, he's going to the bathroom. I think, oh,
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because we have to put something in the bathroom, not
use the bathroom. Yeah, he popped out. Oh m hm.
I mean he mainly walked in and out of the bathroom.
It got boring pretty quick. You don't watch the video
on my phone? Okay, uh, I really like that damn
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Daniel video. Um let's see no, Okay, Oh, here I
got it right here, Daniel, Daniel, have you guys seen
this thing? Kyle can't get enough? Anyway, we watched it
a few times in a row, and then we noticed
something city. He's come outside. He's sitting on the bench
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kind of eating a tangerin. Chris, who until this point
was just sitting down, standing up or going to the bathroom,
had moved outside. He looks really relaxed, which is fine,
but not at when you have a standing date at
It was weird. He was eating a tangerine with his
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eyes closed. He looked incredibly zet. What was going on
with this guy? I will tell you this, and just
no disrespect or like no judgment, but the kind of
relaxed that he is to me, I wouldn't do that.
That's a that's a maybe two of activity. I tried
to understand where he was coming from. I guess it
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does kind of make you think, like the fast pace
of the city or something like, maybe we should take
peace where we can get it. This was ridiculous. He
was definitely going to be late to meet his friend Mia.
We didn't know Mia. We didn't want her to be sad.
Plus it was becoming pretty evident that our frustration with
Chris was really starting to come out, and it didn't
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seem fair. We were there to investigate, not to tell
someone how they were supposed to live their life. We
decided to leave quietly, not alearning Chris, in the interests
of remaining non partial. Continue on Stadium Way for one mile.
We were making good time and it was a smooth ride. Okay,
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so according to this, I do think, okay, we'll get
their very five. We got there five minutes early, which
to me is right on time. The park was really cute, small, unpretentious,
with long picnic tables that would be good for one
of two scenarios, either a pot luck with all your
extended family members or loitering with your badass teenage friends
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up to no good. He spotted Chris's friend Mia right away.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I do think it's her. Yeah.
I don't know if my mind was playing tricks on me,
but she looked sad, really sad. She just kind of
looked like lost. Look at all these other people, they're
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all ye, they're they're kind of like playing with their
dogs and laughing. Those two guys are kind of like
having the time of their lives with their color and
then she's just good, just like standing there. Yeah it honestly,
I do want to help. We went out to meet her. Hi,
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sick you meet. She seemed awesome, the kind of girl
you want to have a girl's night with. She just
had this look about her like she could be your
maid of honor. And she do a damn good job
plan every detail meticulously, right down to the place cards.
But next thing you know, she's at the center of
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the dance floor looking fly as hell. Now you get
the picture. Back to our investigation. Hi, I'm mia Um,
I'm waiting for my friend Chris to arrive here at
the park we were supposed to get together at. We
asked me if Chris had briefed her. You feel doing
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on that a little bit? Um, not so much? Okay, Yeah,
that's okay. UM, So we're basically all you really need
to know is that we're just we We were following
him for the last um hours he was getting ready
to meet you, and then um, we actually left her
early because we wanted to be on We wanted to
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be on time yet, so we were actually I don't
want to sound weird, but we were watching you from
a car, and I think you both thought you were
kind of sad waiting for Christ. Uh, No, I would
I wouldn't say I was sad. No, was she trying
to hide something? Okay? But kind of? I guess on
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a scale, yeah, maybe on a scale of super you know,
not said at all and very very sad, where would
you kind of where would you sit? Pretty low on
the scale, pretty low. I think she was trying to
hide her pain. Me and Kyle we know pain when
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we see it. Um maybe like okay, okay, here's what
I here's with him? Okay, let's yeah, on a scale
of I am sad too, I feel so I just
want to take out six hundred dollars out of my
bank account. You get something nice for myself. I feel
that good. Yeah, that's how good I feel. I feel
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it's so good. It's oh my god. I want to
buy a random stranger a couple of coffee. Yeah, it's good,
it's a good. Yeah. Exactly are you walking by? I
don't even know you, but here's a cup of coffee
and it's on me. And because I didn't touch I
didn't touch it, just COVID. But on that scale, where
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would you kind of you'd say more towards said right, yeah,
I mean I don't I don't love I don't love waiting,
so bingo. At three three pm, the man of the
hour showed up. All right, we asked him to explain himself. Yeah,
we said, who the hell do you think you are? Kyle? Sorry,
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I just love this investigation stuff. I'm just happy to
see you smile again. Yeah. Yeah, I texted me and
I said I would be about five to ten minutes later, okay,
and then you are thirteen minutes late, right okay? Oh yeah, pal,
We'll just wait till you hear what Mia has to say. Okay.
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So I think what would be great to do next
is if we got a kind of mediation, if it's
okay with you, guys, we had studied and come to
understand the why. Now it came down to the so
what we wanted to show Chris how his lateness directly
impacted someone. I know we were trying to not interfere,
but who knows, maybe we could make a difference. Um
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And normally we would set at a table to do
something like this, but obviously because of COVID, and maybe
we should just stand where apart far apart. We told
him he should count his blessings because he didn't have
to see how sad Bea looked because you weren't here
to kind of see how sad Mia looked when we
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pulled up up. Um and I know this is this
is a podcast, but um, maybe we'll be helpful if
I just sort of showed you what she kind of
looked like. Um in in you can just have a look,
and then you have a look and tell us if
that kind of what you feel, pretending it's miya. Of
course I'm gonna do it. Yeah, I mean you're gonna
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do I know you guys can't see my impression of
Mia right there, but let me tell you what I
was doing. I was doing my best, Kyle. Let me
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tell them. Kyle hung her head incredibly low and slumped
her shoulders. She was kicking rocks and basically started convulsive.
I mean, I'm now Lauren Michaels, but this was a
(38:06):
really good impression of pain. Chris didn't get it. She's
living in a really weird way. Whatever, Chris, I don't
think I was moving quite like that. Even I don't
think you call off your hounds. Kyle is not the
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one who's on trial here, we decided to move on. Honestly,
we just want to give you the opportunity to kind
of say how this makes you feel anything. You can
say anything platform now, Yeah, because I really do think
that as the person who's always waiting for the late person,
you don't really get much of a it's the It's
like the focus is always on them being late and
(38:51):
why they're late and so and so forth, and maybe
maybe it's your time to talk and say whatever it
is that you want to say and whatever that inspires
for you. You know what I mean is that it's
so good and we're here for you. Yeah, we just
want to hear you so well. Actually I don't. I
don't feel like I'm usually the person who's waiting. I
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feel like I feel like I'm usually late. I'm I'm
the person who's usually late. What what Yeah, if we
were to meet at a restaurant, um, say, Lemon Poppy
Kitchen or something, Um, yeah, she tends to be a
little bit behind. And I understand that I'm a little
(39:36):
late and she's a little late some time, and I
feel like they offset each other and and we have
an understanding. Needless to say, the meeting ended abruptly. Yeah,
you guys can hang out, and um, thanks for your time.
I guess, m this wasn't the conclusion that we had
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set out to find. The math just didn't add up.
We tried to show compassion to the participant of our
case study, but it seemed like he had left us
for dead. And I was worried about Kyle because she
had come into the investigation looking to find a concrete answer. Instead,
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she was walking away shoulders heavy under the weight of
even more questions. We obviously needed to talk more, so
we headed back to the beach once more. Y Hey, hi,
(40:45):
thank you so much for meeting me back here. Yeah, so, um,
what did you think about what happened? Ah? I guess
they're everywhere, these people, these great people, and I don't
know if there's anything we can do about it. Frankly, honestly,
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I'm struggling to understand what the lesson and all of
this is. It's like these people are everywhere, they're among us.
We don't even know who they are. They just seem
to reveal themselves, and someone who you think is waiting
for a late person it turns out to be the
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late person. I have so many questions, Kyle. I just
want to say that I think your curiosity about the
world is one of the Can you look right at me,
I'm looking I'm looking at you, Okay. Your curiosity about
the world is one of the things I love the
most about you. And so at the end of this investigation,
(41:59):
we act shually found ourselves at the beginning of a journey,
and this would be a journey to hunt down answers
to Kyle's many questions and eventually other people's questions, maybe
even your question. Where you see, my friend, The world
is full of curiosity, and we are intent on finding
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answers because we have the time. M hmm. Truth Hounds
is a production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts
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Welcome to Truth Hounds, a production of I Heart Radio.
Hey there, let me ask you something. When's the last
time you found yourself questioning something? Oh? And I don't
mean like how tall is Mount Kilimanjaro, who was the
Secretary of Agriculture under President Hoover? Or do toads share
a secret love language? I mean questions that are a
(00:24):
little more abstract, or let's just say earnest, like why
is it so hard for me to remember that one
guy's name. I've met him like five times, and each
time I'm left scratching my head? Or why does that
one neighbor of mine never say hi to me, even
though we've lived next to each other for years? And
(00:46):
why does that one woman look so good in hats?
But when I put on a hat, I look so bad.
Someone reported me to the police. Okay, I'm exaggerating, but
you understand where I'm coming from. M I don't know
about you, but I have questions like these ones every day.
And when these questions arise, they seem so pressing, and
(01:08):
I think to myself, can someone please look into this?
Kyle and I met on a little curbside in Los Angeles.
I said, I like your boots and she said thanks.
There's just something about her curiosity that made me see
the world a little differently. Kyle un Well, she always
(01:29):
had a lot of questions. But the thing I've come
to realize is that Kyle's questions they really were everyone's questions.
She just had the guts to ask them. And after
years of hearing her ponder and probe, well, I was
convinced that we couldn't keep sitting in these questions. We
(01:50):
had to do something about them. That's where our story
kind of begins. I'm Anna and I've been unemployed for
about a year now, so I really have nothing going on.
And I'm Kyle. In middle school, I received the award
most Enthusiastic to Learn, So that makes me pretty special.
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And that is what makes us the perfect investigative duo.
We are two friends who love each other very much,
but what we love even more is getting to the
bottom of mysteries. All mysteries, sure, but small mysteries specifically.
Trust me, No mystery is too small. No, no, no,
Why don't you trust me when I tell you? We
(02:35):
are ready to snip around? We are the truth? How Hello?
Hey Kyle? Yeah, Hey, Hey, it's Sannah, Hey, Um, are
(03:00):
you busy right now? Um? I'm a little tied up
in some stuff. But what's up? Well, Um, we need
to talk. I'll be right there. A little something you
should know is that we both love the show Laguna Beach.
Anytime the characters on the show needed to talk, they
(03:23):
would meet at the beach. It added instant drama and
the production value doubled through the roof. We love that
about it, so we decided to do that too. To
the beach. We went, Hi, thank you so much for
(03:43):
meeting me here. It was like an hour drive and
you know, there's some rush hour traffic. But really yeah,
in case you didn't catch that, Kyle said, rush hour traffic.
See the thing about Kyle is that you was wearing
three masks that day. I promise you'll hear it in
(04:04):
the recording. Well, it's really beautiful. Nice. We were at
the beach and it really was beautiful. The color, I mean,
just the way the ras painting it really does. It
looks amazing. It really was beautiful. Even our sound guy
Roman thoughts, so that looks nice right there. I mean,
(04:27):
he wanted to take photos of us, take one of
Kyle sitting down and then yes, and then take one Havanna.
That's very nice. Okay, Roman, that's enough. It really just
makes me think that, you know, we really are just
(04:49):
a speck of dust kind of in the grand scheme
of life. Wow. Yeah, I never thought about that, like
like the you said, nature just has a way of
taking your breath away. But anyways, that's a story for
another time. I got to my point, the real reason
(05:10):
why I asked Kyle to meet me at the beach.
You know, the other day I was, Um, I was
meeting with a friend of mine who's not you, by
the way, um, and we were supposed to meet at
like four. We were going to meet up for coffee,
but socially distance of course, you know. Um, we were
(05:30):
going to meet up, and we were going to meet
up at four, and then he he was late. But
he was so late that I swear I looked at
my phone and it was it was like four sixteen
and I still hadn't heard from him. Crazy, because literally,
I have a friend not you did the same thing
to me the other day. Really, I wonder if it
(05:52):
was the same friend. We shouldn't say the names, right,
we should say the name tell me with your eyes.
Who the person all to tell you of my eyes? Okay, um, okay,
no it was It's a different person. Kyle couldn't contain
her frustration. Just what is with people? I mean, you
trust them with your time and they betray you. I mean,
(06:15):
I feel like someone betrays me like that. You're basically
betraying my family. To be honest, it hurts my feelings. Carl,
are you okay? Yeah? What are you sure? Look at me?
I'm looking at you and you're okay, Yeah, I'm fine. Okay.
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Little did she know that frustration was actually the fuel
we needed to start our investigation Episode one, Why are
some people always late? For any good investigation, you need
a plan, a place to start. Well, we didn't know
(07:02):
exactly how to start. We just knew that we had
to hear from a lot of different people from a
lot of different backgrounds, like a focus group, a group
of people in front of whom you test an idea.
So we came up with the following plan. Well, let's
gather a group of chronically late people in a zoom
and asked them why they're late and what was up
(07:25):
with that? In case you didn't know, Zoom is the
leader in modern enterprise video communication with an easy, reliable
cloud platform for video and audio conferencing. But how are
we going to find people for our Zoom We thought
about the areas of our lives where we interact with
the most people. It was definitely Instagram. I mean, Anna
(07:47):
had about five thousand followers, actually five thousand sixty four
to be exact. Anyways, it was a lot. She was
basically an Instagram superstar in my book, and me I
just had him easily twenty followers, mostly made up of
my cousins and my aunties. We put up a post
that said, are you late? Why are you late? Reach
(08:11):
out to us? Also, Kyle attached a really cool photo
of a guy who's late. You can tell he's late
because he's standing in front of a clock and he
looks stressed. Immediately, the calls came flooding in. We started
to get in touch with the people who responded to
the post before we would officially invite them to the
(08:32):
focus group. We wanted to see what they were all about,
mostly to get a sense of their Zoom style. We
couldn't just let anyone into our Zoom group, you know
how things can get and so I had posted um
on Instagram looking for people who are late or habitually
or know someone who's late, and you responded, our daughter
is late. Yeah that sounded promising. Jeez, snug as a
(08:58):
bug in a cocoon of family on a fluid. I
really wasn't following, Kyle. I'll tell you what I was following.
This person was a nerd. Yeah, she was due Monday
and now she's five days late. So oh man, that
was the right kind of late. It was awkward. I
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didn't know what to say to a pregnant person, so
I just started saying mazel talk, but you know, but
mozele talk. I also didn't know what to say, so
I also ended up saying mosle talk. Yeah, definitely model talk,
and congratulations to you guys. This wasn't the lead we
(09:40):
were looking for. Another person reached out to us and
said she was late. It's kind of been a lifelong thing,
and I think, honestly, I learned it from my my mother.
(10:01):
Now we're getting somewhere. I don't know if it's genetic,
I don't know if it's something in my d n A. Okay,
all good stuff, but would she be good in a
zoom with other people? We asked about her zoom style.
I kind of like to just be more an observer
than like, okay, check me out. I'm I'm in the zoom,
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so you kind of check out? Would you say when
you're in a zoom, I'm I'll look at my phone notifications,
social media, you know. Okay. We thought we could probably
work with that, but then something happened and things got weird.
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It happened if she was saying something pretty innocuous. She
was basically just describing her computer setup. I have my
part of my room where where she described her couch
and lighting, and then well, we'll let you listen for yourself.
You could visibly see all the naked people behind me. Okay.
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Then the next thing seemed to come out of nowhere.
We tried to keep our composure, but it really caught
us off guard, and those stickers happened to me, big
titty anime girls, What was that? I got really flustered.
I didn't want this to derail our investigation, so I
tried to keep the conversation going. And they also have
(11:28):
their privates covered, so it's sort of the offense. Yeah,
I was flustered. I said, whatever came to my mind. Hey,
it's okay. Another guy reached out and said he was
always late, and at first it's under promising my dad.
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We all get mad at each other all the time,
like you know, there's always somebody. We're all late, but
there's always somebody who's the latest, you know. Okay, I
guess this was going somewhere, but she told her one
and then my sister showed up at like or something
like that, which is already and half late. You know
what was this guy talking about it? We tried to
(12:14):
move the conversation along, is to switch gears, if that's
okay with you. I have two really great stories on
my sister that I did think of, but we can.
Oh god, okay. You might be thinking, well, what's wrong
with that guy? That seems like a pretty good response
to your prompt. But I have to tell you something.
(12:38):
We know this guy and then he's our biggest fan. Actually,
let me clarify, he's kind of our only fan, and
so he always responds to stuff. He's at the front
rover shows. He's the first one in our d M.
One time I posted about a vacancy in my apartment
complex and he responded to that saying he was interested it,
(13:00):
but that he wasn't really even looking for an apartment.
So at a certain point, it's like, buddy, back off.
I don't know, do you guys have any advice? How
do you tell your fan that you need a little
bit of space? But you know, we didn't want to
be rude, so we let him keep talking. Okay, So
(13:20):
just the one of the one of the really legendary
ones is uh, she wants tried to throw a surprise
party for her husband, and so she told all these
people just kept going on. So my mom passed away
by eight years ago. That was it. We had to
pull the blood. We appreciate you talking to us in
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all of the stories you had, Anna, I'm not a
mean person, but I didn't appreciate all the stories he had.
I know things looked grim. We hadn't found the right
people for our Zoom group. And Kyle, she seemed to
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take it personally. I mean, one of her biggest fears
and I shouldn't be telling you this is throwing a
party and no one shows up, or even worse, the
wrong people show up and then you're stuck talking to them. No.
Plus Kyle's very very sensitive. Her older brother introduced her
(14:25):
to sad music at a very young age. All sorts
of sad music, sad bossanova, sad jazz, sad blues, you
get it. Well, anyway, she got lost in her emotions,
is what I'm trying to say. We lost contact for months.
Fall came and went, the leaves changed colors. Next thing
(14:47):
you know, it was the holidays. Here's the thing that
post we made. It didn't just go unnoticed. The calls
kept coming in. Next thing you know. I was doing
the screenings myself, just to keep the dream of the
investigation going. I mean, we set out to do something great.
(15:08):
You can't just walk away from that. And eventually I
had gathered enough people for our Zoom group. These people,
they were amazing. Kyle would love them. I just knew
she would. I gave her a call. I had no
idea what states she would be in, but it was
(15:28):
worse than I thought. Hey suicide, Hey Kyler, are you okay?
(15:49):
What are you doing? I'm just cleaning out my nose
ring met his murder? Um? Okay, um, anyway, do you
remember that thing that we were working on. I tried
to forgid I could okay, okay, Um, Well look I've
(16:14):
got some really juicy bites. I'll be right there. After
a tough couple of months, I was happy to hear
from Anna. This was great news. Yes, months had gone by,
the leaves had changed colors, and it was already the holidays.
(16:36):
But I guess you could say then I found my
smile again. I know things are getting really good, but
we have to take a break for some ads, and
the ad break is over. Together, we contacted the but
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who reached out to us, and soon we had our
Zoom group. We arranged it for three pm on some
unremarkable Thursday. We told people, don't be late. Next thing
we knew. The day came. I just wanted to say
thank you for being here for our late people conference.
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Everyone took turns introducing themselves. Hey, I'm Calin can you
hear me? Okay, um, Hello, my name is Sarah, I'm Dylan. Hello,
I'm Chris, and I'm late. Yeah, we know that's why
you're here anyway. Chris had more to say, Um, the
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latest I think I've ever been. Um, well, one time
I just didn't show up. Wow, that was shocking. That's shocking.
We moved on to the next person. Hi, I'm Heather
once or twice, I've I've pulled Chris. Can we not
call it that? Maybe? Okay? That was kind of funky,
(18:09):
but we had to keep going. Okay, Hi, can you
hear me? Okay, my name's Hannah. Um and the latest
I've ever been is I would say several hours. I
personally don't consider not showing up at all late. I
consider that a cancelation. Um. I hope that's okay, Chris.
(18:32):
I don't know why everyone is attacking This was absolute chaos. Okay,
So going forward, can we just, out of respect for Chris,
let's refrain from calling it pulling a Chris? Poor guy? Well,
back to the drawing board. We had to come up
with some new rules. Just so Chris feels comfortable, UM,
(18:56):
no calling and pulling a Chris. And then I guess, um,
if just to be polite, maybe don't even reference Chris. Um,
just so he feels comfortable. If it's easier, I would
recommend just pretend he's not there. Okay, that also doesn't
really feel very good. This is exactly how zooms can
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be messy. People pitted against each other, brother against brother,
absolute chaos. We had to set some ground rules and
then begin your answer with the phrase and just to
pivot off that last point. So just when you start,
you go and just to pivot off that last point,
and then you answer the question. But we didn't want
(19:41):
to be milled. I mean, we weren't complete tyrants. Um.
If you kind of want to have fun with that,
you feel free to say and just to jump off
that last point um. And I guess alternately you can
also say and just to pop off that last point.
Feel free to use any one of those three, but
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just make sure that you land on point. That's kind
of um, that is important. And so discussion began. The
prompt was what is the reason you're late? Kyle? And
I went first, just to reset the tone, just to
pop cop off that last point. Uh. I I don't
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really have a reason because I'm typically five to ten
minutes uh early. Just to pivot off that last point,
I too, am um not really late, and just to
jump off that point. Uh. I'm I like to set
(20:47):
people's expectations for how on time I'm gonna be because
one day someone's gonna lie to me about the time
and I'll show up right on time or even a
few minutes early, and It's such a gift to them.
This was finally working. Just to jump off that last point.
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I think my cycle of lateness started in childhood because
I had a mom who was always late. But then
something happened again. We noticed it as Anna was finishing up.
Great point. I go, wow, but it doesn't really speak
to me. Just to jump off that last point before
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we move on to the next point. Um, someone did
just show up and it is three. My name's Daniel.
Y'all caught me eating cold chicken out of my refrigerator
because I've been in queue for fifteen minutes and I
was fifteen minutes late because I was running. Okay, what
was with these people? This guy showed up twenty eight
(21:55):
minutes late to a zoom eating cold chicken. That was
not an excuse. It was a dead end. How are
we supposed to apply cold chicken to a global phenomenon?
We decided to move on next. Kyle presented the group
(22:16):
with a really cool quote. Just to get everybody's creative
juices flowing. She asked for her thoughts. The world is
and forever late for me. Now, that was a very
interesting quote, Kyle, Where did you hear that quote? By
the way, Um, we'll talk about it later. We were
(22:37):
excited to hear everybody's responses, and just to pop off
that that quote, uh doesn't mean anything to me, okay,
And just to jump off that point, I feel similarly
in that I didn't say that quote, and so why
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would I know what it means if I'm not the
one who said so? Thank you? M hmm. Kyle's special
quote didn't really seem to be landing that well. But
maybe someone else would have a better opinion. I mean,
we've all been there, different strokes, different folks, you get um,
(23:21):
just to pivot off that that quote doesn't inspire intellectual
agreement in me, now, I'm sorry. I just have to
ask again, where did you hear this quote? H it
was a friend you don't know himber in like the store.
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And just to pivot off that point for me, I
think the quote is confusing, Just to pivot off that
last point, it means so little to me. I'm I'm, I'm,
I'm honestly having trouble remembering what the quote I honestly,
I think I might have seen it on a sign
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or on billboard or in a movie, or maybe it
was a quote in my dreams. I honestly might have
just made it up. Look, I'm really sorry, I really
messed this one up. Um. Okay, well, it seems like
a lot of people didn't like a quote. Hey, it's okay.
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This is our first investigation. You can't win them all.
Maybe one day we'll do a blooper reel and this
will definitely be a part of that. I do love
blooper reels, like the Mr. Mom one. Yeah, Kyle, like
the Mr. Mom one. I tried not to panic in
(24:52):
front of Kyle. But we were looking for something more substantial,
something that would move the investigation along. It. Then Chris
said the exact type of thing that we were looking for. Um,
And just to hop off that last point, Um, I
think I have a bad grasp on how long the
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steps to take to accomplish tasks. So I think about,
so I need to go somewhere and it takes fifteen
minutes to drive there. That I'm like, as long as
I leave seventeen minutes before then, I'll get there on time.
Bank we could work with that. Chris said that the
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reason why he was late is because he constantly underestimated
how long stuff took. This was a concrete and scientific reason.
Then the thing about a concrete and scientific reason is
that we could observe it. Maybe it wasn't about looking
at a variety of reasons why people really, Maybe it
(25:55):
was about finding one reason and studying that closely. We
asked to everyone to leave and head Chris stick around
to hatch the next phase of our plan, observing the
late person in action. Chris, Uh, you're creating quite a
stir um. If you could, uh stay on the zoom
and we could talk to you, but everyone else you
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can leave. We wondered if we could tag along on
his next outing. You see, we were going to turn
Chris into a case study to observe what goes on
before he's supposed to be somewhere. Yeah, is there? Do
you have an event or you have to be on
time for something coming up soon? Um, I'm supposed to
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have like a socially distant um get together with my
friend Mia tomorrow. What better way to investigate someone's lateness
than by watching them get ready to be late? Kyle,
You're brilliant and now in ad break. The ad break
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is over. We showed up at Chris's house the next day.
It was a sunny and warm afternoon, and we were
feeling really excited, the kind of feeling you have before
opening up a really big gift from your auntie and
you know it's going to be good. She doesn't always come,
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but she always brings the best gifts. I Hi, Hello,
So can you just really quickly introduce herself for us. Hi,
my name is Chris, and I'm a late person. This
guy had just seemed okay on zoom, but in person
that was another story. He seemed awesome, and not that
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it was about this, but he was absolutely gorgeous. He
had the kind of big brown eyes that you could
really get lost in. And his body well, let's just
say that his was happy to be there. Let's leave
it at that. This is really nice. This is really nice.
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And what is that thing right there. It's like a
little vacuum. It's like a little laundry bag on a tree.
It was a hummingbird feeder. But that's a story for
another time. Anyway, one thing was for certain. I loved
Kyle's curiosity. Yes, I'm supposed to go meet me at
and you've been cleared to join us. Okay, okay, um.
(28:30):
So it's a little after two now, and I don't
really have anything planned. Yeah, probably going to clean my
room a little bit. Okay, Okay. Chris had told us
he's late because he doesn't know how to manage his time.
So we decided to sit right outside of his bedroom
window and watch this mismanagement happen in real time, so
(28:50):
they will be okay, here, are you comfortable with this? Kay?
Kind of just act like we're not here. We settled
in sitting right below his bedroom window, just a slab
of concrete next to some stairs, fenced off area, light breeze,
a couple of butterflies, standard stuff. So he's a little
over an hour until he has to be there, and
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he is touching stuff in his room. He is now
looks like picked up a bag of his toilet trees
and he is yeah, he's going to the bathroom. I think, oh,
(29:35):
because we have to put something in the bathroom, not
use the bathroom. Yeah, he popped out. Oh m hm.
I mean he mainly walked in and out of the bathroom.
It got boring pretty quick. You don't watch the video
on my phone? Okay, uh, I really like that damn
(29:55):
Daniel video. Um let's see no, Okay, Oh, here I
got it right here, Daniel, Daniel, have you guys seen
this thing? Kyle can't get enough? Anyway, we watched it
a few times in a row, and then we noticed
something city. He's come outside. He's sitting on the bench
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kind of eating a tangerin. Chris, who until this point
was just sitting down, standing up or going to the bathroom,
had moved outside. He looks really relaxed, which is fine,
but not at when you have a standing date at
It was weird. He was eating a tangerine with his
(30:41):
eyes closed. He looked incredibly zet. What was going on
with this guy? I will tell you this, and just
no disrespect or like no judgment, but the kind of
relaxed that he is to me, I wouldn't do that.
That's a that's a maybe two of activity. I tried
to understand where he was coming from. I guess it
(31:04):
does kind of make you think, like the fast pace
of the city or something like, maybe we should take
peace where we can get it. This was ridiculous. He
was definitely going to be late to meet his friend Mia.
We didn't know Mia. We didn't want her to be sad.
Plus it was becoming pretty evident that our frustration with
Chris was really starting to come out, and it didn't
(31:26):
seem fair. We were there to investigate, not to tell
someone how they were supposed to live their life. We
decided to leave quietly, not alearning Chris, in the interests
of remaining non partial. Continue on Stadium Way for one mile.
We were making good time and it was a smooth ride. Okay,
(31:46):
so according to this, I do think, okay, we'll get
their very five. We got there five minutes early, which
to me is right on time. The park was really cute, small, unpretentious,
with long picnic tables that would be good for one
of two scenarios, either a pot luck with all your
extended family members or loitering with your badass teenage friends
(32:11):
up to no good. He spotted Chris's friend Mia right away.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I do think it's her. Yeah.
I don't know if my mind was playing tricks on me,
but she looked sad, really sad. She just kind of
looked like lost. Look at all these other people, they're
(32:34):
all ye, they're they're kind of like playing with their
dogs and laughing. Those two guys are kind of like
having the time of their lives with their color and
then she's just good, just like standing there. Yeah it honestly,
I do want to help. We went out to meet her. Hi,
(32:56):
sick you meet. She seemed awesome, the kind of girl
you want to have a girl's night with. She just
had this look about her like she could be your
maid of honor. And she do a damn good job
plan every detail meticulously, right down to the place cards.
But next thing you know, she's at the center of
(33:19):
the dance floor looking fly as hell. Now you get
the picture. Back to our investigation. Hi, I'm mia Um,
I'm waiting for my friend Chris to arrive here at
the park we were supposed to get together at. We
asked me if Chris had briefed her. You feel doing
(33:40):
on that a little bit? Um, not so much? Okay, Yeah,
that's okay. UM, So we're basically all you really need
to know is that we're just we We were following
him for the last um hours he was getting ready
to meet you, and then um, we actually left her
early because we wanted to be on We wanted to
(34:02):
be on time yet, so we were actually I don't
want to sound weird, but we were watching you from
a car, and I think you both thought you were
kind of sad waiting for Christ. Uh, No, I would
I wouldn't say I was sad. No, was she trying
to hide something? Okay? But kind of? I guess on
(34:25):
a scale, yeah, maybe on a scale of super you know,
not said at all and very very sad, where would
you kind of where would you sit? Pretty low on
the scale, pretty low. I think she was trying to
hide her pain. Me and Kyle we know pain when
(34:46):
we see it. Um maybe like okay, okay, here's what
I here's with him? Okay, let's yeah, on a scale
of I am sad too, I feel so I just
want to take out six hundred dollars out of my
bank account. You get something nice for myself. I feel
that good. Yeah, that's how good I feel. I feel
(35:08):
it's so good. It's oh my god. I want to
buy a random stranger a couple of coffee. Yeah, it's good,
it's a good. Yeah. Exactly are you walking by? I
don't even know you, but here's a cup of coffee
and it's on me. And because I didn't touch I
didn't touch it, just COVID. But on that scale, where
(35:29):
would you kind of you'd say more towards said right, yeah,
I mean I don't I don't love I don't love waiting,
so bingo. At three three pm, the man of the
hour showed up. All right, we asked him to explain himself. Yeah,
we said, who the hell do you think you are? Kyle? Sorry,
(35:51):
I just love this investigation stuff. I'm just happy to
see you smile again. Yeah. Yeah, I texted me and
I said I would be about five to ten minutes later, okay,
and then you are thirteen minutes late, right okay? Oh yeah, pal,
We'll just wait till you hear what Mia has to say. Okay.
(36:13):
So I think what would be great to do next
is if we got a kind of mediation, if it's
okay with you, guys, we had studied and come to
understand the why. Now it came down to the so
what we wanted to show Chris how his lateness directly
impacted someone. I know we were trying to not interfere,
but who knows, maybe we could make a difference. Um
(36:39):
And normally we would set at a table to do
something like this, but obviously because of COVID, and maybe
we should just stand where apart far apart. We told
him he should count his blessings because he didn't have
to see how sad Bea looked because you weren't here
to kind of see how sad Mia looked when we
(36:59):
pulled up up. Um and I know this is this
is a podcast, but um, maybe we'll be helpful if
I just sort of showed you what she kind of
looked like. Um in in you can just have a look,
and then you have a look and tell us if
that kind of what you feel, pretending it's miya. Of
course I'm gonna do it. Yeah, I mean you're gonna
(37:20):
do I know you guys can't see my impression of
Mia right there, but let me tell you what I
was doing. I was doing my best, Kyle. Let me
(37:44):
tell them. Kyle hung her head incredibly low and slumped
her shoulders. She was kicking rocks and basically started convulsive.
I mean, I'm now Lauren Michaels, but this was a
(38:06):
really good impression of pain. Chris didn't get it. She's
living in a really weird way. Whatever, Chris, I don't
think I was moving quite like that. Even I don't
think you call off your hounds. Kyle is not the
(38:29):
one who's on trial here, we decided to move on. Honestly,
we just want to give you the opportunity to kind
of say how this makes you feel anything. You can
say anything platform now, Yeah, because I really do think
that as the person who's always waiting for the late person,
you don't really get much of a it's the It's
like the focus is always on them being late and
(38:51):
why they're late and so and so forth, and maybe
maybe it's your time to talk and say whatever it
is that you want to say and whatever that inspires
for you. You know what I mean is that it's
so good and we're here for you. Yeah, we just
want to hear you so well. Actually I don't. I
don't feel like I'm usually the person who's waiting. I
(39:14):
feel like I feel like I'm usually late. I'm I'm
the person who's usually late. What what Yeah, if we
were to meet at a restaurant, um, say, Lemon Poppy
Kitchen or something, Um, yeah, she tends to be a
little bit behind. And I understand that I'm a little
(39:36):
late and she's a little late some time, and I
feel like they offset each other and and we have
an understanding. Needless to say, the meeting ended abruptly. Yeah,
you guys can hang out, and um, thanks for your time.
I guess, m this wasn't the conclusion that we had
(40:01):
set out to find. The math just didn't add up.
We tried to show compassion to the participant of our
case study, but it seemed like he had left us
for dead. And I was worried about Kyle because she
had come into the investigation looking to find a concrete answer. Instead,
(40:23):
she was walking away shoulders heavy under the weight of
even more questions. We obviously needed to talk more, so
we headed back to the beach once more. Y Hey, hi,
(40:45):
thank you so much for meeting me back here. Yeah, so, um,
what did you think about what happened? Ah? I guess
they're everywhere, these people, these great people, and I don't
know if there's anything we can do about it. Frankly, honestly,
(41:07):
I'm struggling to understand what the lesson and all of
this is. It's like these people are everywhere, they're among us.
We don't even know who they are. They just seem
to reveal themselves, and someone who you think is waiting
for a late person it turns out to be the
(41:27):
late person. I have so many questions, Kyle. I just
want to say that I think your curiosity about the
world is one of the Can you look right at me,
I'm looking I'm looking at you, Okay. Your curiosity about
the world is one of the things I love the
most about you. And so at the end of this investigation,
(41:59):
we act shually found ourselves at the beginning of a journey,
and this would be a journey to hunt down answers
to Kyle's many questions and eventually other people's questions, maybe
even your question. Where you see, my friend, The world
is full of curiosity, and we are intent on finding
(42:23):
answers because we have the time. M hmm. Truth Hounds
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