Two Ts Presents: Two Jersey Js: Going Under the Knife

Jen reacts to a certain housewife who told her to get on a “f**cking treadmill” 

Is there such a thing as “earning your plastic surgery?” 

Plus, Jackie and Jen share what they’ve had done and why. 

And, we chat with world renowned surgeon Dr. Matthew Schulman about all things plastic surgery. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey guys, I'm Jackie, I'm Jen Fessler, and we are
two Jersey Jays.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yes, we certainly are.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
We certainly are, and we have got an episode for
you today, and I have got to ask you something,
Jennifer Fessler. So we talked about ozembic a few weeks ago,
about right, and somebody, and I'm not going to say
any names, somebody implied that you took the easy way

(00:30):
out and that ozembic users should just get on a
fucking treadmill. And then this same person last week or
the week before, was on Instagram showing off the results
of their Tommy talk.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
So I'm wondering your thoughts on that, all right? No,
I definitely am in tuned to that. I know all
about what went down there, So what are my thoughts
on that? So this person got a lot of flak
for saying, you know, taking nozembic is ridiculous behavior, just
get on a treadmill, and then getting online and talking

(01:06):
about and showing pictures of her Tommy tuck, and I
want to say that Her response was, I tried everything
before I got a Tommy Tuck. I worked out, I
worked my ass off, I did everything humanly possible to
lose the baby wheat and I still had loose skin,

(01:27):
And so that was what my tummy tuck was about.
It was about the fact that, you know, because I
had gone through every possible method to get a tight stomach,
it was okay, it's okay now that I resorted to
plastic surgery, which I think is really interesting and obviously, well,

(01:48):
this episode is we're going to talk about plastic surgery.
But what is that about, Like this feeling that you
have to deserve it, right, that you have to exhaust
all other means possible before you decide to have plastic surgery.
I don't buy into that, not for a second.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Right, Well, listen, I do not think that I am
not a proponent of ozenbic for losing just a little
bit of weight. But I don't think it's the easy
way out. Actually, I think that you deal with a
lot of unknowns, a lot of people get very sick
from it. You have to go through many months of
horrendous nausea. But listen, yeah, been we've gone down this, Okay.

(02:28):
So what I'm saying is, though I very strongly feel
that you do not have to earn your plastic service.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Right, That's that's sort of like what it came down
to for me. And this person is not the only
person who feels that way, right, A lot of people
feel like, you know, how dare you get a Tommy
Tuk without diet and exercise first? Why don't you try
that first? Most people, I think probably do. But how

(02:55):
about you know, getting getting breast implants. You can't magically
make your boobs bigger? Is it okay to want bigger boobs?
It's because it seems that it's fine to want smaller ones. Right,
If your back hurts and you get plastic surgery because
you need it, quote unquote, that seems to be way
more widely acceptable than going the other way. So there's

(03:20):
just so much stigma around. Yeah, and and that's why
so many people deny.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
And in the housewise world, do you get a lot
of people who deny having had things done when you
can look at them and see that they've had things done,
which is a little ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
But I am very open about my plastic surgery.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
I've actually had nothing on my face, but I've had
plenty on my body.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
I've had both. But if you had what have I had?
So I had a Tommy tuck, and I've had light
bo suction. When I was young, like early twenties, I
had my boobs done. It's funny because I just wanted
to lift. They're called tubular breasts, and what does that mean?

(04:05):
So it meets I always used to say, it looked
like you had a you had a tube sock and
you put mine and it looked like you put a
tennis ball in it. That's what you pass. Yes, And
they're really really source of embarrassment. Especially as a younger woman.
Taking off my clothes was just for me really really mortifyed.
And so when I went in the first time to

(04:27):
get my boobs done, that was the concern. And the
doctor at the time said, you don't want all those scars.
You're a young woman. Just let me put in small
implants and it will you lift them. What it did
do was give me larger tubular breasts. Go. So so
that was not my definitely not my last boob job,

(04:48):
and I got another one. I don't know, I want
to say after I got married, and like pretty soon
after after I'd had my two kids. I had them
early on, and because I just wanted to lift, they
were still to me. They were just so embarrassing, and
so I got another one and the doctor that did
them it didn't go well and it looked like somebody

(05:11):
had chewed bubblegum and put them put it on my breath.
My nipples were just so ridiculous looking. So I had
a third one. Wow, I know, I had a third
one that I was very, very pleased with. I felt great.
And about three years ago I decided I didn't want
implants anymore, and I now they're gone. So you had four,

(05:33):
so I have had If you can imagine this, I've
gone under four times for my boobs. Yes, there's a
lot of investment in your boots.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
At so Tummy Tucky. You had your face redone and
I had my face. I had a lower face lift,
so my neck and when I went in for that.
I have been just increasingly insecure about my nose. As
you get older. You guys may or may not know this,
but you know, things change on your face. And my
nose was just it was just sort of like East

(06:05):
and West situation going on, and it was I felt like,
maybe partially due to being on TV, but increasingly insecure
because it was just looking wider and wider, so I
had my lower my neck done and then at the
same time I had a nose job, and I'm thrilled
with the outcome of both. Well, I had a mommy makeover,

(06:30):
and the reasons behind that were very loaded. So a
mommy makeover is the tummy tuck with the breast implants.
And so I was anorexic from the time I was
twenty six years old until two years ago, and after
I had children, so I carried multiples twice. I had
something called a diastesis, so my abdominal muscles never came

(06:54):
back together. And because I was kind of emaciated looking,
my stomach stuck out and so it was only like
skin and bones and then like a little tummy sticking out,
and people would ask me all the time if I
was pregnant, and it would drive me crazy. Also, because

(07:15):
I had a mental illness surrounding my weight, I could
not handle the questions and I decided that I needed
a tummy tuck, even though I weighed like ninety pounds
soaking ut. So I got a tummy tuck. And also
I lost all the breast tissue that I had because

(07:36):
of my anorexia, So I had an a cup, and
I already didn't feel womanly because I stopped. I haven't
gotten my period in like thirty years, so I already
was struggling with that, and I had really low estrogen,
and now I had no breasts either, and I just

(07:57):
really wanted to feel like a woman. So I got
a complete mommy makeover and I had the tummy tuck.
Is was for me, by and far the most painful.
Oh my god, Yeah, the reeling bad. I think that
there are two types, right, the one where you just
tightened skin, tighten the skin, and then there's the other

(08:19):
one where they actually pull the muscles back. And wow,
I mean, I don't know that I could do that again.
I mean the results were fantastic though, so but then curiously,
so those were my only plastic surgeries. And then when
I recovered from anorexia and I gained a fair amount

(08:39):
of weight back, a lot of my breast tissue came back.
So suddenly these like sea implants that I had turned
into double d's and so I had just a few
months ago, I had a breast reduction. I had those
implants taken out. I had my breast tissue like cleaned out,
and lifted and then I had little teeny tiny implants
put in because of Sagi.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
You and I both are so open to talking about it,
and why not. Well, well, like, I've never had a
lot of shame around it. I remember on I don't know,
I was trying to be funny, maybe on my fortieth birthday.
I didn't even know what Instagram. It was like all
Facebook back then, fifteen years ago, and I remember like
everybody had left me, you know whatever, a very sweet
message Indianna, you know, thank you guys so much for

(09:22):
all the birthday wishes. And I also wanted to thank
doctor X and doctor Y, and like I kind of
like named the plastic surgeries just in an effort to
be I guess, funny, self deprecating, and I remember just
getting so my friends were just blown away that I
would even say it out loud. But I've never had
a lot of or any shame around any of this.

(09:43):
But I know that it, you know, the shame piece,
it permeates our culture, and there is there are so
few women I find that just want to fess up
to what they've had, and I don't even what is
that about. I don't know. I know so many women
who I won't admit they had a nose job. Why so,
I have no idea. I don't know. Is there shame

(10:05):
around it? I guess maybe they earn. Are you supposed
to earn your plastic surgery? No, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
There's no way to earn your plastic surgery. I don't
know what that's about. That's that's someone battling their own demons.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
I don't know. I don't feel I never did feel
embarrassed by, you know, doing the things that make me
feel good about myself and listen, the only thing about
it is that I do at times feel like it's
enough gen like with the vanity, there's it's enough with
you know, looking in the mirror and figuring out, like

(10:37):
what is the next thing? And I know plastic surgery
can become addictive, but I don't think it has been
for me. I've certainly had my fair share of it.
But I don't you know, at some point you want
to maybe stop going under the knife if it's unnecessary
and unless it's something that's really plaguing you. I do
feel that people who get a ton of plastic surgery
and keep getting it over an over again, I think

(11:02):
that there's something underlying that more than just vanity. I
think that there's I don't want to say self doubt.
I mean, at what point are you good enough? You know?
I have a friend recently who said to me in God,
the old word is becoming so overused on our podcast.
But as of ozempic and losing muscle and not working out,

(11:25):
my skin is really really loose. My legs it just
sort of hangs. And yes, I have started to incorporate squats,
but it's I don't think it's going to help really
with the loose skin. And I was just talking to her.
I was in Florida. I was like, maybe I'll get
you know, a body lift. She's like, Jin, it's enough already,
you're fifty five years old.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Well, you know, there was just a story in the
in the news about Justine Bateban.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Do you remember her?

Speaker 1 (11:52):
She was on Family Ties and oh god, I remember
when she was younger. She was so gorgeous and like
she does not want to do anything to herself. And
I think that's amazing. But I will admit you look
at the pictures of her and it's a little bit
jarring because everyone in that world, everyone in the TV world.
They do their thing. Their skin is tight, you know,

(12:12):
they look a certain way.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
And the thing is, though, no matter what I do,
maybe Kim Kardashians of the world have enough money to
look still like they are twenty and probably prettier than
they were, then there's nothing that I can do that
is going to have me, you know, looking whatever, twenties, thirties.
I'm the thrilled if someone said I was forty nine.
I'm over the moon. But at some point I think

(12:36):
there is an acceptance right that I can't get back there.
I can't get back to nor what I want to
what I look like as such a young person. Justine Bateman,
that's what that's the natural, that's what she looks like.
And she yeah, and she feels good about it.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
And I think that that's so that's so great, because
I don't know that I would feel that good in
you know, I can't imagine. I imagine that the whole
world was telling her like, oh god, you know, you
really need to do something.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
But she's a beautiful woman. It's the same thing. What
about going gray. I mean, it's you know, I have
a lot of friends now that are embracing gray hair. Yeah,
you know, my mom went gray.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
She used to color her hair, and then probably in
her late fifties early sixties, she stopped and she refused
to do it anymore. And it was very hard for
me because suddenly my mom looked like an old lady.
And I had a really hard time with that, and
I begged her to get her hair colored, and she
just wouldn't do it anymore. I mean now she just
looks now, she looks but he thinks about Yes, he

(13:38):
loves it. Do you think it's about like this is
getting a little deep up, like mortality, yes, mertality insecurity.
It's oh, you mean why people would want to have
gray hair?

Speaker 2 (13:48):
No, I mean looking at your mom or anyone going gray,
it's somehow it's like march towards death.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yes, no for me, but I yes, for me. I
was like, why are you letting yourself be old so soon?
I didn't want her to do that. I wanted a
young mom.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, isn't interesting. We want to be young.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Although again I don't really well if she was getting older,
it would mean that I was getting older and I didn't.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
I don't know if I didn't feel ready for it yet.
I mean, does anyone. How do you embrace that? You know,
I think it's tricky, like God, bless Justine Bateman. You know,
I'm not there, but I know that there has to
be a fine line between feeling good and feeling attractive
and feeling sexy and still feeling like I am a

(14:37):
mature woman and I don't have to compete with you know,
my daughter. But it's I think that line is so difficult, right,
it gets blurred, like when to stop? When is enough enough? Yeah,
I think there's a lot of insecurities for some women
that go into I know there were for me a
lot of insecurities about my body that went into why

(14:57):
I chose to have blessing surgery. But the reasons why
I get filler and stuff are not so much insecurities.
Is keeping up you know? Yeah, I mean I don't
do a lot of filler. I do do obviously, I
do both obviously, but I do botox. But you know,
like agism is very real, it is aging. Women have
a very hard time in the society, especially with social media.

(15:18):
It's terrible the comments I get. Do you get comments?
I get comments? You look like a man? What's wrong
with your ears? Actually it's funny because I was like,
you know what, and as you get old, your ears
get bigger, yes, your ears and your nose keeps growing.
And I'm like, hmm, should I have had my ears
pinned like when I went in from it? And again

(15:40):
then there's the voice like enough Jen, And if I
get really insecure about it, and it starts to plague me.
But right now I just think it's funny, Like I
don't it doesn't bother me when people make those comments,
you know what, It bothers me. It bothers me personally.
It like I take you know, I don't know, it
gets inside my head. But also like it bothers me
that there's this platform for people to just you know,

(16:03):
tear you to shreds, you know, like keeping up also
with other housewives, right and I'm a friend of housewife
and this is just my second year. You know, way
more about this than I do. But people ask me
all the time if that's sort of what influenced my
decision to have plastic surgery, and it's not, honestly, it's
really not. But for instance, I was watching Ultimate Girls Trip,

(16:26):
which is the best, by the way, I need to
watch but anyway, whatever, but I'm watching these women, these
legacy women, so they're all women of about our age,
you're a little younger, and they are all running around
in bathing suits and bikinis, and their bodies are so
gorgeous and my body does not look like that. And

(16:48):
they're even older than me, some of them, and they
just have these ridiculously beautiful bodies. And it got in
my head while watching it, and I am trying to
be able to say to myself if it's going to
make me really feel better and feel good, and if
it's affecting my life in this negative way, but to
try to say to myself, when is enough enough? And

(17:11):
I think probably at this point enough's enough for me. Well,
I have a question for him. Do you think that
celebrities owe it to the public to admit to what
they've done. I don't think anybody owes it to anybody
to admit to what they've done. I think that I
don't understand why not what about housewives? Because we are

(17:32):
reality show stars are supposed to be sharing our reality.
I don't know. I feel like I don't understand why
anyone would lie about it or deny it. I don't again,
I don't get the shame in it. But I don't
think anybody owes anything to anybody in terms of, you know,
admitting what they've done or having things done or not
having things done. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
I understand that, but I also feel at the same
time that you're holding yourself out as I don't know,
if you're going to be a public person, then you
know you're giving this like idea to people that this
stuff comes naturally to you.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Like anyone thinks that anymore. Do you think anyone looks
at I think young girls. Do you think they look
at the Kardashians and think I think my thirteen year
old daughter does. Yeah, yeah, I absolutely do.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
I think she looks at all these women and says, wow,
they're so beautiful, what's wrong with me? And she's gorgeous?
But you know, I think that she sees her own imperfections.
Well I don't see any imperfections on her, but she
sees her own, you know, features that may not look
like theirs and says, God, I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
So I can change it. Their faulters now, and it's all,
you know what. There are so many questions.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
I've always wanted to ask a plastic surgeon that I
never had the opportunity to do. I've asked my plastic
surgeons lots, but really, well there's more. I have so many.
So today we are having our first guest. I'm very
excited about that. We're going to have on World Now
and classic surgeon. His name is doctor Matthew Shulman.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
You know him. I do know him.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
He's never done any work on me, but I've known
him for a very long time and his reputation is
stellar and he's got a lot of fans.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
But I've got a million questions for him me too. Hi,
doctor Sherlmann, Hi, how are you? Thank you so much
for being here. We have You're so excited and really
excited arge you. Yeah, we got a lot of questions.
I remember you were known for your butt lifts. Am
I wrong?

Speaker 3 (19:36):
You're not wrong? And I'm still known for them.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
So are people still getting those butt lifts?

Speaker 1 (19:41):
I thought that went out. I thought they were getting
him reversed.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Now. No, I mean people are still getting it, but
the trend is definitely a little different. So you hear
all this thing in the media about how butt lifts
are out and nobody's getting them. That's not true. What's
happening is people are just getting them in a different way.
So they're still doing it, but they're not getting that big, exaggerated,
overdone result. So they're going for a little bit more natural,

(20:06):
a little bit more athletic, but they're still doing it.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
So for someone like me who has no ass, what
does my friend says, say, I have a back with
a crack? So with that, so you can what kind
of a butt lift? If let's say someone I'm trying,
I'm thinking I'm not going to get any more plastic surgery.
We just spoke about this, but but just for shits
and giggles, what do you do with something like that?

(20:30):
If I don't want to a large butt? Can you
lift the ass? You?

Speaker 3 (20:36):
So, So in terms of the butt, there's sort of
two things you can do. One is you can lift it,
which would physically be like removing some skin and pulling
it up, and that's something that's pretty commonly done for
people that lose weight and things.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Can't see you next week? What time do you have
time for next week? Just let me know two o'clock
on Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
But the other thing is really adding volume. So when
we say Brazilian butt lift, which means taking fat out
of one place and putting it in your butt. We're
not really lifting it, we're just giving the illusion of
a lift. So in that sense, you would need volume.
So if someone like you doesn't have any of their
own fat to donate to themselves, then that procedure is
not going to work. Some people still will do some implants.

(21:15):
You still can do butt implants. You know, they're good
for people that don't have fat, but not always the
greatest result. Or some people will do some injections. So
the same stuff people are putting in their face you
can put in your butt and it works pretty well.
You just need a lot of it and it doesn't
last forever.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Now everybody wants a bigger ass, maybe not a big brasilia,
I don't know. But it's constantly changing. How do you
keep up with that?

Speaker 3 (21:40):
You know, body images and what we look at as
being like attractive changes like fashion, so you kind of
to keep up with trends. So, you know, as a
plastics are going to have to stay in touch with
what people are looking for. I have to keep up
with you know, the magazines in the newspapers and reality TV,
social media, and that's important. So I know what people

(22:03):
want and also be able to predict what the trends
are going to be in the future, and we have
to be able to adapt and change.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Do people come in with pictures of celebrities and say,
make me look like her?

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah? I mean, And I actually encourage people to bring
in wish pics because it gives me an idea of
what they want. Because you know, you may come to
me and say, you know, describe with words what you're
looking for, and that may need something to you, but
maybe we're using different words. But when you showed me
a picture, it's like, ah, now I know what you want.
The interesting thing is, in the past, people always brought

(22:34):
celebrities in, but now with social media, people are bringing
in just you know, unknown insta themes or even just
pictures they are seeing online. So they're bringing those pictures
in and I don't know who a lot of these
people are, but but it doesn't really matter. They're just
looking you know, that's just what's in there. You know,

(22:57):
those are just images that they're seeing every day.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Of people most often ask to look like. There are
certain know's that people want, or breasts that people want.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
You know what, Really it's really changed. I mean historically,
you know, when people wanted a butt, they would bring
in Kim Kardashian. You know, that was kind of like
the classic what everyone brought in. And you know, for breast,
you know, Jennifer Aniston was big for was big for
a while. But it really you know, like I said,
it's it's less about you know, I'm not seeing those

(23:27):
same celebrities anymore because I'm just seeing more more Instagram people.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
What are people requesting? Now? What's your most popular procedure?

Speaker 3 (23:37):
So I'm really a body guy. So my specialty is
blow the neck, So I do a lot of breast tummies, butts, liposuction,
and so I'm good. I'm still doing a ton of
mommy makeovers. So I'm getting people that come in that
have had, you know, multiple children, and they want to
be rejuvenated and lifted and tightened up. So mommy makeovers
are still always popular. Butts again are always popular. But

(24:00):
we're going for a more athletic, a slimmer, a little
bit more natural look. And the really the hot thing
that I'm seeing now is cellulite treatment. And cellulite is
something that everybody has. You know, ninety percent of women
have cellulite, and historically there's never been a good solution
for it. And there's actually a new device on the

(24:21):
market that I'm really really happy with that allows me
to target those specific bands that cause those dimples. And
in the past treatments have really failed. So we've always
said there's no good treatment for cellulite. But I kind
of have a good treatment for it now, So I
think that's something that's really popular, and it's a lot
less invasive than it's been in the past. So you know,

(24:42):
that's kind of a trend that I'm seeing and I think.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Wow, road trip, I mean, what are your patients in
terms of age? What is the spread? Look? I mean,
is there a need limit?

Speaker 3 (24:59):
I mean, there's there's no age limit. Obviously, when you're
having an elective cosmetic procedure, we want to make sure
that you're old enough to understand what you're having done.
But then there's also the physical things like if you're
if you're having something done to your body, you want
to make sure that your body's developed enough where it's
the right time to do it. So things like those

(25:20):
jobs tend to be something that you know, girls are
getting and boys are getting when they're like sixteen seventeen.
But other things like breast implants or liposuction, tummy tugs.
I think people are going to be more in their
twenties before they get a procedure like that done.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, do you ever turn anyone away? Like, do you
ever feel like they don't like would you turn some
away because you don't.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Think that it would enhance them? Or like maybe they're
they're getting too much?

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yeah, I mean I turn people away all the time.
I mean I probably will turn away about twenty five
percent of the people that come to see me for
a consultation.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Oh way, why what are the reasons I think it's important.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
I think that I think of the monsible plastic surgeon
needs to learn how to say no. And there may
be a bunch of reasons. One, maybe what you're asking
for is just not possible, so I have to try to.
You know, I want happy patients. And if I think
that you're asking for something and I can't deliver, then
I'm not going to be the one to try. The
other thing. Maybe that maybe what they're seeing, maybe what

(26:22):
the patient is seeing is wrong with them, isn't really
wrong with them. And that's we get into this whole
discussion about body dysmorphia. I mean, it's a real thing.
People look in the mirror and they think that their
nose is huge, but their nose really isn't huge, And
no matter what you do, they're still going to see
a huge nose. And that's called body dysmorphia. It's a
real psychiatric condition. And we try to figure out which

(26:47):
patients have that because one we know that surgery will
not correct what they're seeing, and two they're going to
be on They're going to be unhappy.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
So do you play therapist in those instance and says like,
do you have to tell them you're not going to
be happy no matter what because what you're seeing is
not real?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Or do you just like tell them know and send
them away.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah. I mean it's you know, we kind of say
that sometimes we're a psychiatrist with a knife, you know.
So I think it's important to have an honest discussion.
So even patients, why I operate on, I will tell them, listen,
I can remove that extra skin. It's going to look
so much better. But you've been unhappy with the way
your stomach has looked for twenty years. So even when

(27:29):
it looks great. In your mind, You're still gonna think
it looks bad because that's just your thing. It's your
it's your thing that bothers you. And most people will say, yeah,
I get it, you're right, I understand it. So those
are discussions that we always have because there's it's a
lot more goes into plastic surgery than just what happens,

(27:49):
you know, within the walls of my operating room.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
It's interesting when I went for my facelift, I had
a lower facelift and I went in with the intention
of having my entire face lifted. Yeah, my doctor said,
you don't need the upper part lifted. It's just your
you don't need your eyes done. There was all of this.
I was like, well, if I'm gonna do it, let
me really do it. But him saying that to me
made me respect him and trust him so much more. Yeah,

(28:14):
I think it's great. It's great because it would have
been way more expensive obviously to have more done.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Do you think that Instagram filters have played a part
in younger people wanting more plastic surgery.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Yeah, Instagram filters and also if we think back to
you know, when snapchat was really popular, the snapchat filters
kind of started it all. So there was actually something that
you know, I kind of came up with a term
called snapchat dysmorphia, and that kind of got a lot
of play in the press. And that was something that
I saw early on with Snapchat filters, where you know,

(28:46):
people were changing their eyes and their lips and you know,
smoothing their skin. So it absolutely one hundred percent is
you know, it's it's I'm in a weird position because obviously,
I'm a class surgeon, this is my business, this is
my job, it's how I feed my family. But I
have I have a daughter, I have a teenage daughter,

(29:07):
so I'm aware of all these things. And I think
it's important that people are happy with their appearance and
have self confidence and be comfortable in their own skin.
But I also understand that society kind of pushes people
to the other extreme.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
So how do you explain that to your daughter. I'm
so curious as a plastic surgeon, like when she and
she's obviously she's a teenage daughter, so she's definitely getting
bombarded with these images. Does she say to you, daddy,
my turn, Like, my daddy is a plastic surgeon, so kelp.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
I mean luckily, luckily, she's been exposed to it for
her whole life. So you know, when she was little
and would take my phone and scroll through the photo roles,
it would be like family, family, family, patient, family, patient,
operating room, patient, family. So she's kind of she's kind
of been desensitized a little bit to it. But but
I mean, there may become a point where you know,

(30:03):
she comes up to me and says, this is I'd
like to change this about myself. And I think as
long as as long as she understands that that will
change her appearance, but it's not going to change it's
not going to change herself some worth, then I think
that that's that's the distinction people people need to make.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, great, can we ask you about some celebrities and
what they might have had done?

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Okay, So look, can we just start with Chloe Kardashian
because she has lately looked like an entirely different person.
Is that just integram filters or has she completely changed
her appearance?

Speaker 3 (30:40):
You know there are certain people like the Kardashians in particular.
Are we gonna put a disclaimer so that Chris doesn't
sue me? No? I think there's there's certain people that
are very savvy about filters and lighting and photo editing
and things. So when you see pictures of celebrities, sometimes

(31:01):
it's not always surgical. Sometimes it's just photoheading. I think
you combine that with with constant fluctuations and weight, which
will really change someone's appearance, combined with having you know,
unlimited wealth where you can you can do anything you
want yourself. It becomes really muddled figuring out what certain

(31:21):
people have had. But I think that I think that
people definitely you combine, you combine you know, increase in
weight with decreasing weight, and you kind of do that rapidly,
with rapid fluctuations. Plus a lot of fillers and and
non surgical treatments can start to distort things a little bit.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Is it hard when you do these procedures on someone's
body because of the fluctuations in weight? So for instance,
if you're doing a Tommy tuck and this person comes
to you and is heavier, do you want that person
to lose weight first? Just because of if you do
the time and top and then they gain weight and
it's going to affect your results.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, So I personally think that everybody should be at
whatever their whatever their normal weight is before they do
anything to their body. And it doesn't mean their weight
has to be the textbook perfect weight. It just means
whatever your normal weight is. If you're normally sitting at,
you know, whatever, one hundred and fifty pounds, then you
should have surgery when you're one hundred and fifty, not

(32:29):
when you're one hundred and seventy. So I never want
to do surgeries on people when they're kind of at
their peak, because that naturally is when people like want
to run in to see me when they're, you know,
had the kind of a rough couple months, and they're
up twenty pounds. You want to get down to your
normal weight. And that's because, like you said, if I
do the surgery and then your weight goes down or
goes up, the results can change.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
That's for the phase too, right for anywhere.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
I mean, you're everything changes with weight, and you can't
always predict how it's going to.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
So you can't tell anything because people look totally different.
Like last week, my mother came over to light Honika
candles and I showed her what you can do. I
turned her into like a redhead with long hair.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
With makeup on. She had never seen any of this
shit before. She was like, what did you do to me?
How can you do that? You know what? I hesitate
to use filters. I really don't use them on my
social media only because the jig is up. Like, if
you're on TV, you're gonna people are gonna find out
that you don't look airbrushed, right, Like, well, not everyone's
on TV. But even with that, though you run into people,

(33:32):
you're true what you look like is coming out. Do
people ask you to reverse stuff ever? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:38):
I mean it's so sometimes it's a reversal and sometimes
it's just kind of downsizing. So specifically with the Brazilian
butt lift, you know, this whole trend of BBL reversals,
they're not really reversals because we're not trying to get
them back to what they were before surgery. We're just
trying to make them a little smaller, so it's more
like a reduction. Same thing with breast. You know, breast

(34:00):
and plants are very different now than they were ten
years ago. Like we're putting in smaller implants than we
were back then. So women are coming in and they
want to downsize. So I guess it's sort of a reversal,
but it's not really reversal because they don't want to
go back to what they look like before implants. They
just want to be a little bit smaller than they are.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Now. What happens if you get a mommy makeover and
then you have another baby? Does that, like tummy tuck
go out the window? Do you have to get it
all done again?

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Not necessarily so obviously, if someone comes in for a
tummy tuck, I ask them, are you done having kids?
And you know they'll say yes, But I get it.
Things happen. So if someone's planning on having more children,
I tell them, wait, let's just when you think you're done,
then we'll put you back together. But if someone does
get pregnant after a tummy tuck, it may loosen things

(34:52):
up so it doesn't look as good, but it probably
won't go back to the way it was before the surgery,
because you know.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
I had a tummy tuck, and then since I've been
up and down, my weight has been up and down.
I always like to say, like I broke through the
tummy tuck, so my stomach that was so tight after
the tummy tuck, it's definitely loosened up, and the muscles
have loosened up as well. I mean, you can blame
that on a lot of things besides brownies and not
doing sit ups. But I do notice that with time

(35:23):
it's certainly not what it was.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Well, I think that you know, with anything you do,
you know, having a good lifestyle and you know, you know,
proper diet and exercise, you have to maintain the results.
But also body still ages. So I tell people plastic
surgery doesn't stop the clock, it just turns it back.
So if I do a facelift on you and you
look ten or fifteen years younger, it doesn't. It doesn't

(35:46):
mean you're not going to age. It just means that
you're always going to be about ten or fifteen years younger.
Same thing with breastwork and tummy work. It just things
just get looser and crinklier and saggier over time. So
it's still.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
I mean, is time really worse to women than it
is to men? I mean, you look at somebody like
George Clooney and they say men get better with age,
and I feel like society says that women fall apart,
Like is that true medically?

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (36:14):
I mean I think it's I mean, there's a double standard.
I mean then you know, as a man, I'm okay
with it, I guess, because you know, then when I age,
I'll have wrinkles and I'll look more distinguished and I'll
look more you know, more worldly. But when women get
those same things, they're they're judged. So it's it's an
unfair double standard, but it's true. You know, that's why

(36:35):
men men don't often get facelifts. You can do it,
and if a man gets a facelift, you have to
be really careful because you don't want to overtighten them
because then you can feminize their appearance and they can
look weird. So whenever I do like male classic surgery,
even male tummy tucks, because I do male tummy tucks,

(36:55):
you know the men that have lost weight, and I
don't pull them as tight or try to snatch their
weight like I do for women. I'm trying to get
them to look kind of straight in boxy, because that's
a masculine look. But if I did that result on you,
you would come back and be unhappy and you would.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Say find that a man.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
If a man wants a tummy tuck, is he more
like secretive and shameful about it than a woman.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yes, but I think it's changing. I think that I
think that men still represent only a small portion of
plastic surgery patients, about fifteen to twenty percent, but I
think they're becoming a little bit more open, you know.
I think now you know everybody, you know, everybody's taking
weight loss medications, and so, yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
How has that impacted everything?

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Well, I mean it's definitely. You know, it's interesting because
when I first started doing plastic surgery, I was doing
a ton of body contouring after weight loss. And that's
because I trained it. I trained at Mount sein and
I where you know, bariatric surgery had his birth. So
I was dealing with people that lost one hundred pounds,
two hundred pounds after a gastric bypass and gastric slaves

(38:00):
and all sorts of really invasive bariatric surgery. And that
started to die down because it's a very invasive surgery.
But now you're starting to see that weight loss pick
up again because everybody, I mean, everybody's taking the medication.
So we're seeing a lot of people come in and
they've lost weight, they've lost weight rapidly, So you know,

(38:24):
forty fifty pounds over three four months is pretty quick,
but that's kind of typical. And so they're coming in
and they need the skin removed. So we're seeing a real,
really big uptick in body contouring after weight loss procedures.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Doctor Schulman with that because I'm on semi glue tide
and I've lost well over a little over twenty pounds,
but my skin is it's a whole different ballgame now.
And my legs specifically, the skin just hangs right. And
what I have heard that a thigh lift is really
not only really difficult, but the scars are horrendous. Is

(39:00):
there a way to fix the legs the knees?

Speaker 3 (39:05):
It's hard because you know, when you're dealing with legs,
you're dealing with gravity. So you can never pull the
skin up as tight as you can pull in the mirror.
So it's hard because everything's fighting that and so legs
are hard, and you raise a good point and you know,
I can remove skin from anywhere in your body. I
can get you tight and you know, nothing hanging, but

(39:27):
the trade off is scars. So we're trying to do
procedures where we can do it in a way where
the scars are hit it, so there are thighs.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, well you need to do that now.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah. I mean, well, you know, when you're dealing with
a lot of extra skin, sometimes the trade off is
you need more scars. But thighlifts can be done with
just the incision in the in the crease of the groin. Really,
I really try not to do that thlift where the
scar goes down the inside of the leg. Now, someone
may need it, but they may understand that, Yeah, I'd

(40:00):
rather leave you with a little bit of extra skin
and have you be able to wear shorts. Then feel like,
even if you have no extra skin in your thighs
are really tight. You have those scars, and you're not
going to ever want to show those scars.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
You're killing me, doctor Schulman, because I said, literally in
this episode before you came on, that I'm trying to
reconcile myself to the pack that I'm fifty five and
because i have all this loose skin, I'm just going
to live with it. And now I can't get off
this podcast fast enough to call your office.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Well, here's a question that we started with, which is
you know, Jen was recently kind of shamed for using
Gozambic by somebody who told her.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
To get on a fucking treadmill.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
And then this same person went out and had a
tummy tuck, And so the person justified their tummy tuck
by saying that she did everything she could to get
to try to fix it herself before she.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Got the tummy tuck.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
So I guess her question is do in an ideal world,
would somebody have to earn their plastic surgery by trying
everything else first? Or is it okay to just do
what makes you feel good?

Speaker 3 (41:06):
So I think it's okay to just do it. However,
there's gonna be a caveat. The caveat is that you
really should have a healthy lifestyle. So there are people
that exercise six days a week, eat really well, and
they're still heavy, And I think that's okay. I think
that's a person who, yes, I can do liposuch, Let
me do LiPo such and help you get off the

(41:26):
fat that you can't get off. Let me get that
skin off that you can't get off through diet and exercise.
But if there's somebody that just doesn't do anything and
just kind of sits on their couch and you know,
is eating and not doing anything and then they have
this extra fat. I don't think that's a good idea
because because things that I do are contouring procedures, they're
not weight loss procedures.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
They won't get the result or that they'll they'll will
and then they'll they'll break through the result. Or do
you think it's not okay? I guess we're talking about
you have to sort of like earn your right to
plastic surgery.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
So in other words, no, I don't think it's a day.
I don't think people have to earn their right. I
think that's I think if people want to do it,
they should do it. I think it's more like you
said first that that you know, I'm trying to give
results that I know are going to last and are
going to be can be done safely. And if someone
has a has an unhealthy lifestyle, they're unlikely to get

(42:22):
a great result, and they're unlikely to get a result
that's going to last.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
And that's a very different thing. I think that's so
interesting because what you're saying is that it's not that
you're saying to people. Listen, you haven't tried everything yet, so.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
I'm not going.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
If somebody comes to you with like I had tubular
breasts as a kid, like, there's nothing I could have
done about it, right, I couldn't have changed the shape
of my breasts. But if somebody comes to you and
you know, wants to get liposuction, and it's not that
you're saying you have to try to lose weight first,
You're more saying that I'm afraid that your result won't

(42:56):
be what you want, especially if you're if you're going
to continue with your unhealthy life style.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yeah, and you know I look at this. I you know,
when i'm evaluating a person, I'm looking at them as
I'm not I'm not being judging. You know, it's not
my job to judge you. It's my job to figure
out does what you're asking for is what you're asking
for a possible can I do it in a safe
way and give you the results that you want. So,
for example, if you come in and you want lip bosuction,

(43:23):
you're not really exercising, I may tell you, why don't
you try to exercise lose some weight so that your
body gets rid of the fat that it can get
rid of naturally, and then I can concentrate on those
areas that don't go away, and I think that's that's
a good way to do it from a surgical perspective.
I'm not doing it to like tell someone stopping lazy

(43:45):
go exercise. It's really just about, you know, I'm looking
at how to get them the best result, because, as
you alluded to, if you lose weight quickly, your skin
doesn't recover very well. So the skin just kind of
gets loose. So if I do liposuction on somebody, they're
losing that weight in the matter of just a few hours.

(44:06):
So if they have a lot of fat, that skin
can end up being a little bit loose after. But
if they go an exercise and they take three, four, five,
six months to lose half that weight, their skin has
enough time to tighten up so that when I do
the liposuction, they'll get a much better result and their
skin's gonna look better. So there's ways to go about

(44:27):
it to give the best result. And sometimes the reason
sometimes the answer is lose some weight on your own.
But again it's not to judge them, it's really to
help them get a better result.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Why do you think there is so much judgment around?
You know, people doing plastic surgery, and there are so
many there's so much shame around it. I mean, jack
and I were talking about this at the top of
the show. But don't feel shame around happy that money.
I mean, it is Jackie, and we don't lie about it.
We're both very upfront and honest. But there is so
much of that. What do you think that's about.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
I think I think a lot of it is jealousy.
I think a lot of it is just you know,
some of the people that judge you are people that
would do the same thing if they had the means,
and I think that that's part of it. I don't
think it's as bad as it used to be. I
mean ten years ago, fifteen years ago, I think people
were very closeted about plastic surgery. So I think it's

(45:18):
much better now. And I think it's because a lot
of it is generational. I think that, you know, younger
generations are are much more, much more open and willing
to admit to having things done, you know, partly because
of social media. But again, I think a lot of
it is a lot of it is jealousy, and you know, people,

(45:41):
a lot of people who criticize would be in my
office tomorrow if they could.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Among classic surgeons, do they talk about the housewives world
as being like crazy full of plastic surgery or is
that just so like omnipresent for us because we're in
that world, Like is that a known thing?

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (46:00):
No, I mean I don't think it's. I don't think so.
I don't think I think a lot of it is. Probably.
I mean, you're obviously getting it. You're gonna you're gonna
be biased about it because you're seeing a lot of there.
You're obviously seeing the press and the media that that
may be focused about negative things around the housewives. But
I don't I think as a plastic surgeon community, nobody,

(46:22):
you know.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
We don't really talk about it.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Yeah, we don't really sit around and say, like, you
know what people had done or who's had bad work done?

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Busy, Yeah, you're busy. Okay, Wait a no zempic question.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
I have heard that ozempic has been complicating things for
plastic surgeons because your stomach doesn't fully empty, right, and
so when you do anesthesia, that's a problem.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Yeah, it's it's interesting because you know when and I
was just talking about this yesterday with my anisesiologists because
about a year and a half ago when people were
first starting to take ozembic, but no one really knew
too much about it. You know, there were some patients
where know, as you know, you have to be NPO
means don't eat anything for about eight hours before surgery,

(47:06):
and that's to make your stomach empty so that during
surgery and during the anesthesia you don't throw up and
potentially breathe it in and aspirin and have complications. So
there were some patients who who after the anesthesia would
would throw up and there would definitely be gastric contents,
there would be stuff in the stomach, and we were like,

(47:26):
this is so weird, Like I know, they didn't eat
their compliant patients and after the fact in retrospect, we're
like that so is empic because it delays the gastric
emptying and now take it may take two days for
your stomach to empty.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
So what do you do.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Well, now, we tell our patients that they need to
stop the medication for two weeks before surgery to allow
the gastric empty to kind of get to normal. And
then people that have been on it for an extended
period of time, we may even say four weeks before surgery,
because it may take that long for your stomach to
kind of catch.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Up as opposed to one night as opposed to eight hours,
four weeks as opposed to eight hours.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Well, so it may take four weeks for your stomach
to kind of start emptying normal again. Oh but if
you're but if you're on ozempic, the food that you ate,
you know, yesterday morning is still in there.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
I had recently had a colonoscopy and I had to
stop taking I'm on semi glue tide and I want
to say a week before I had to stop taking it,
and that was for a colonoskby that was just for
getting you know, put under. Wow.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Yeah, I don't think a week's probably a week probably
isn't even long enough, you know, I think it's it's
got to be about two weeks.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Wow. Wow. Do you ever get people who are scared
to stop and just don't come back.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
No, No, because because these are all people that so
you know, they so they're gonna have They're gonna have
the surgery no matter what. So you know, they have
to stopping and they have to stop smoking. So you know,
those are two difficult things for a lot.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Oh, right, right? How does you know?

Speaker 1 (49:02):
When I was a kid, and I think we're all
in the same like kind of age group. But when
I was a kid, there was a woman named Joscelyn
Wildenstein and she, yeah, she was called the catwoman.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
How does one.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Come like? What are your how do you get so
much put? Is that so much classics? I don't even
know what I'm asking, Like, how the fuck do you
end up looking like Joscelyn Wildenstein?

Speaker 3 (49:24):
I mean, I think that it's unfortunate because I think
it's probably a combination of you know, again, I don't
know her, I don't know anything about her her psychiatric background,
but there probably there has to be some degree of
psychiatric disease in there somewhere. And then you combine that

(49:44):
with doctors who need to learn how to say no,
and and I think that sometimes, you know, we can't
you know, it's a plastics certain I can't cure people's
you know, psychiatric issues, but I can be the final
point where I say no, You're not to be the
one to do the surgery. Unfortunately, there's greedy people out there,
and there are people, you know, I'm I'm in New

(50:05):
York City when I tell a patient, I'm if I
say no to you, I know you're going to go
down the street and you'll find someone that'll say yes.
But in my honest opinion, you shouldn't do the surgery.
And hopefully they don't, but they but a lot of
them do the surgery. And the worst thing about it
is sometimes I even see those patients come back and

(50:28):
they did what I told them not to do with
another doctor, and now they're back to me and they
want me to try to fix it, and it becomes
very difficult.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
As a plastic surgeon. It's not it can't just be
a science. I feel like it has to be also
an art right, I mean, it's I think of it
that way anyway. I mean, do you I doubt you've
had many are there surgery that you do where you
just can't sort of like control the fact that something
happened or didn't come out right, or you know, what

(51:07):
do you do with that?

Speaker 3 (51:09):
So so there's definitely an artistic component. So I think
that all plastic surgeons have have to have some sort
of artistic ability or at least have like that that
ability to conceptualize, Like you remember, like in school when
you had to do those tests where it was like
the cube and it was opened up on paper and
you had to like pick the choice of what it

(51:31):
looked like when all the paper was folded. Do you
know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yeah, blocked it.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
So those are the type of things that as a
plastic surgeon we have to think about because you know,
we have to see how things are going to end
up three dimensionally. And but the but the toughest part
is it's not it's not mold and clay. It's a
human body and everyone's skin acts differently, everyone heals differently.
Some patients are going to be compliant. Some patients aren't
going to listen to a word I say and and

(51:57):
just do anything not to do, and and they can
end up with a bad result. So I think the
key is to obviously do not do so much where
you can get yourself into trouble, and also always have
a plan for Yeah, I mean, listen, I'd like to
think I'm pretty good, but I still have to do
revision surgeries on my patients, and they're usually small. You know,

(52:20):
there's always gonna be some degree of asymmetry. And I
tell my patients, you know, your left side and your
right side is always gonna be a little different. You're
going to notice it, and I'm going to notice it.
But other people on the beach aren't.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
But if they get so, it's also a degree of
pain in the ass nets I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Yeah, yeah, I mean everybody, Yeah, everybody wants perfection. And
you know, no matter what I tell them that, I
can't make you perfect. And they say, okay, no, I
understand that. And then they come back in six months
and they say, but it's not perfect. It's like I
had this discussion, so yeah, makes better. And and so

(52:55):
there's always there's always the option for opportunity for like
small procedures and stuff to kind of make the results
her and and and unfortunately, there are some situations where
you know you have to tell the patient you look great.
I know you don't look as good as you think
you want to look, but this is as good as
it's gonna get. And you know you're gonna have to

(53:15):
accept this, and most people do unless they have some
of those little bit of dysmorphia that I didn't pick
up on.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Well, I for one, I'm very grateful for doctors like
you who will tell people no, because I do feel
like I really kind of like plastic surgery, and I
would hope that someone would turn me away if I
come knocking for a thing that I don't need.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
I feel like such an idiot because again, at the
top of this podcast, I talked about how my friend
and Florida said, it is enough, Jen, because my legs
are just they just look so old and saggy. And
now you said something about the groin and I'm gonna
hang yea out and I'm calling you.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Come come see me. And as you know, I already
said I have no problem saying no to people, so
maybe I'll maybe I say no, I'll come.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
I'll come with her so I could see you in person. Yeah. Well,
thank you so much. This is great, very interesting. Thank
you so much, and we'll talk to you soon and.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
See you guys. Bye bye.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Thank you. If you like him, I mean, how do
you not like him? I know he's horrible, He's great.
I'm honest and like cool and trustworthy, right yeah, yeah, yeah,
I've heard great things and yeah, but I always knew
that he was like a butt lift guy. Really yeah, everything.
But yeah, it's funny because do you go when you
pick a plastic surgeon, do you look for one that

(54:37):
is specializing in exactly what you want done? Because I
know that like a lot of plastic surgeons will say
they can do the entire body and the face. I don't.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
I don't know, I guess, So I mean, you wouldn't
want a jack of all trades. But I have a
funny butt story.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
So you were you were called back with a crowd act, right,
So I used to be called low crack jack. I
have a really low crack. Is that t M? I
I think that's anyway.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Anyway, So I have like a really flat and like
I almost don't really care because like there's nothing I
can do about it, and I'm not about I actually
like to run. I'm a runner, but I don't enjoy
doing like lunges or anything like that. And the amount
of lunges that I would have to do to have
an ass is just unfathomable.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
So I've always just accepted that I have a flat
ass with whatever.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
So anyway, so I at one point did ask about
what I could do non surgically to have some volume
in my ass, and I was told that I could
have injections and that that's what the Kardashians do, and
they have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of injections
in their ass. So I was like, all right, let's
inject my ass. So I had probably like eight huge

(55:48):
vials on one side of my ass and six huge
vials on the other side.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
And it did as fuckingly nothing.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
What it did?

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Nothing? It did nothing? How much of a ca a
lot of money. That's a bummer. So you have other
plastic surgery, you had ass surgery.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
It's not plastic surgery. No, that's non surgical. It's like
ass filler.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
And it did not.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
But it's not filler. It's supposed to increase the and
it's not the doctor's cault. The doctor is fantastic the
it's supposed to like like stimulate the collagen.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
I guess I don't know it has Doctor Shulman wouldn't
have gotten that wrong. Sorry, no it's not she didn't
get it wrong. It just I don't know if my ass.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Just ate it. And like I was like, fuck you, Jackie,
We're not giving you an ass No matter what I pissed,
I know there was nothing I could do. I think
I think that if you get those ass fillers, I
think you just need like tons and tons and tons
of that.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
I mean, I never wanted my ass filled ever, but
now I just want to lift it. And I'm really
pissed about this whole episode because of the top of it.
I was like, I'm done, and now doctor Shulman and
I'm like, I know a second lunch to get that
just done. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. There's more
shit I want to get done. But Evan doesn't like
when I get too much. Evan doesn't like it. I
haven't gotten anything. I don't even talk to Jeff about it.

(57:05):
I just sign up. Well really, I mean, it's always
good sick surgery.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
I mean tattoos. I don't tell Evan. I just come
home with a new tattoo.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
The truth is, of course I tell Jeff I need
him to pick me up from the's office afterwards, but
definitely not probably the like not at the point of consultation.
After I sort of made my mind up because he'll
always say no. Not no, is in you can't do this.
No because he thinks you look beautiful. No because he.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Thinks it's just like you're aging and it's stupid and
it's so much money and like, why are you so
obsessed with your physical Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Well, can I tell you what I don't want? Please?

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yesterday I was sitting at my kids basketball game and
I felt my lower lip getting swollen.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
And I woke up this morning and it's so goddamn swollen.
I look at this. I do not.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Want anymore because my lip looks absolutely ridiculous. That like,
I don't know, once or twice a year, oh sleeping
and he wakes up and I die by his face,
looks he.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
My lip is so goddamn bad, like and one of
it is just huge. It's the greatest morning. I took
up ben Benjo last night.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
I took it.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Do you think so? Yeah, yours looks like right? Tell
me that I'll go get more. No, see, it's bad time.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
I do think at a certain point, listen, I think
that you do not you absolutely do not need to
earn your plastic surgery, get whatever makes you feel good.
But I also think that at a certain point you
kind of have to accept what God gave you.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
When is I don't know. I'm telling you. My whole
opinion about that changed over the last hour. I don't
know what to tell you. I thought I was done. Well,
Oh well, you never have to make that decision. Just
see what life brings. Yes, think you're beautiful. Oh but
don't give a shit what you think. I'm calling doctor Schulmo.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
All right, you guys, until next time, Happy New Year,
Happy New Year everybody. If one of your New Year's
resolutions is to get plastic surgery.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Just now, you don't need to earn it first. Love that. Also,
by the way, I wish for all of our listeners
and for us just to feel good, feel good about yourselves.
We're trying to feel good about ourselves.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
I'm trying. It's not always easy. Yeah, but you know
I'm going to start meditating.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
I heard that makes you feel good, It makes you
some inner peace. I need some inner piece. I've never
tried inner piece, all the piece, all the.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Piece pieces of me. All right, love you guys. I