April 23, 2025 • 46 mins
Teddi and Erika are talking about all things toxic — from toxic masculinity to toxic femininity, nothing’s off-limits.
And, is Teddi dating again? How did Erika really feel when she found out Garcelle unfollowed her?
Plus, Teddi gives an update on the next steps of her diagnosis.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode of Diamonds in the
Rough with myself Teddy Millon Camp and.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I am Erica Jane. Today today we who are you?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Normally? I don't fucking know, ted what is going on?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
E I was feeling very sorry for myself as I
drove over here, and then I thought I have nothing
to feel sorry about, because I thought of you.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Listen, we all get a second to feel fait a second.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
You get a second, and then you have to bounce
back up. That's all.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
So you bounced back yep, So you're not going to
share with me.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I just went, no, I can share with you. It's
not that big of a deal. I was just feeling tired,
but kind of like crabby for no particular reason, and
it just it doesn't you know. Sometimes I get crabby
and I'm like, you know why, there's no real Erica,
it's not that big of a deal. You start thinking about, well, look,
you know, it's really not that big of a deal.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
And then you start making up in your head why
you can't do something.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Of course, and it becomes bigger than it really is,
and you make excuses for yourself. And I really don't
have any and then I get disappointed that I know
I'm doing it.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Well. I get that way even with errans, like I'm like, oh,
I need to go buy new like bras, sure, and
I'll be like, well, that's annoying.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, I don't want to annoying. A lot of things
are annoying, but you don't have to do them anyway.
And I think I was just feeling sorry for myself
on the way over here. So, but but you seem
like you're you're back on track. I ditched in the driveway.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
You left it there were like dove leaves all of
her trash.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Does she really today?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I went out to follow after what I mean trash,
She like will have snacks and then she'll just like
leave her snack bags out there.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I'm like, excuse me, done done. You're not going to
get these snacks.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
If you're just gonna be leaving them all, we can't
do that. She's very booked up. But yeah, it's been
I feel a little tied today too. But now I'm
all hyped up on caffeine. Sorry, don't come for me, guys,
I'm on my second.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Grade to do whatever you want. Tell me what's going
on with you? Well?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Tomorrow is the day that I go to the oncologist
and all of the specialists and they do.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
My MRI to see if anymore like.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Because last time I went to get my MRI, I
had more tumors. Sure, so this week, you know, tomorrow
I go in and find out if I have more tumors,
if they've grown, if they've shrunk, and then I also
do immunotherapy. But the concern with this one is like
I really one hundred percent thought like I'm like, I'm good,
(02:41):
they've definitely shrunk. I haven't been having headaches or feeling weird,
Like right, I'm good. And then today, hold on, you
have Okay, today I have a headache. But maybe that's
stress what I'm saying. Well, And then the doctor wrote
something that like, you know, we had to send to
a couple different people, but it was just like how
(03:02):
stress you know, then it'll so that the cord is
all released, especially when you have cancer.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, it's like I'm sure it's like super high.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, it's like super high. And so it's like all
that nervous energy and I'm just like just chill.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, but it's very hard for you to do that. Yeah,
this is a tough one.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, so this is a toughie. Plus it's like, you know,
if they have grown or if I have more the
conversations I'm going to have to have with my kids
post is already like giving me.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Anxiety, anxiety because I should.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I mean, it'll be a dream. I'll be so happy.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I've been really trying to be positive thinking that they're
going to go and be like, guess what.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
This time it worked right. But I'm also and have fear.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I think that you are very right to be a
normal human being and have fear, and I think that
we also need to be hopeful and positive. But Teddy, like,
what you're facing is fucking unreal. It's not it's a
big deal.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
And it sounds so silly, but like everything in my
life has.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Changed so much that's not silly at all.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
That like even you know, next week, I'm going it's
the first time I'm going to like a like we
talk sometimes about like the pressures of Hollywood or the
pressures of being in the business, But next week's the
first week that I have to wear like a black
tie dress. Yeah, And I was like trying them on
and I was like, well, this isn't going to work. Well,
(04:36):
this isn't because nothing you know, fits anything. Yeah, and
it feels so like depressing, depressing, and I'm like, you know,
at least there was a point like when I start
thinking back, then you go down like the timeline of
all the shitty things that have happened, and we all
do it in our lives, and I'm like, this isn't
a shitty thing. That's not that big of a deal.
(04:57):
Just like go get something else. But like I'm beating
myself up over it.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
That's normal. I understand why you would too. Yeah, absolutely,
especially like look at the business we're in. Yeah, you're
also really used to looking a certain way, and you're
very strict with your you're very disciplined with your fitness
and you know your nutrition, and so something like this
would Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And I had to depress thing last week. And I'm
not to call the person out, but they were like,
how do you feel about the fact that your body's changed?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And I was like, wow, that's nice, and like, you know,
I was a little like come on, and I was like,
I didn't mention this to you before we started this interview,
so like you just saw it and just felt and
then it like all those old things.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And conversations just got kicked right back.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
And I was like, but I just think it's important.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Like when people ask about plastic surgery or about whatever,
it's like we all have to do what we're comfortable with.
And like I'm super comfortable talking about plastic surgery, I'm
not super comfortable talking about like when I'm going through
hard times, like talking about my body.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, like body changes, yes, my.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Body changes, and there's it's it's different than before where
I'm like, well, I'm just gonna go for a run.
I'm gonna take care of myself and take that right now.
Like sometimes I can't do it and it might not work. Yeah,
And it's like completely different when it's from steroids.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
So it's like all of these things.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
So if I'm a little fast talking today, guys, this
is why, like some of my past.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
In securities, which I know is like a forbidden.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Word, it is why.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I remember like there was like a Housewives episode where
someone's like you, you know you feel insecure and not.
I think it was maybe to Camille, and like that
was the ultimate like put down.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
We're all we all are insecure like every human on
this planet has insecurities. There's not a soul that is
not without them.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, soul, it just it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And I think that that's if you guys are having
a moment where you feel insecure, I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Then like something will happen.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I'll be like today, I really I could put my
wig in a ponytail and like it.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
And I was like, you know the theory, did you right?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Like, yeah, I mean it might go up and downlytics.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I did it myself today, But I'm like, I'm pretty
excited about this.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Live your life, you know, I think you look good.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Any other action going on with you?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Before we get into the discussion of toxic masculinity and
toxic femininity.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
There is toxic femininity. No, I went to New York,
uh for the weekend to do a job. I can't
tell you what it is, which is really nice and
so it was nice.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
To We're going to see it.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Is it something having to do with Broadway or is
it something having to do with the television.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
It's on television.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Okay, did you go out it all while you're there?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
No, it was strictly like come in, work, leave, Yeah,
but it was nice. I mean, you know, there's something
fun and I think you appreciate this too, about it's
almost like a mission. You know, I've got to go here,
perform this, and then come home. I kind of like
those things. They're fast, they're furious, but it makes me
feel alive, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I know that's kind of I think that's why it's
still other than being able to go with Slate, but
it's still the horse shows. I'm like, oh, I get
to leave my house. I get to do this, and
then even if I get tired, I'll just go back
to the hotel and rest a little bit.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
But like having that like.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It's of course, it's something that's necessary. It is necessary.
You're also a competitive person. This is also you living
your life and being as normal as possible.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
And people think that this podcast studio is inside. Like
everyone's always like, well, you leave your house every day
to go to your podcast.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Got here, fore you the beds right here?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
My bed is right here.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
The bed is right here, Okay, And you know what's
on the other side of this little thing a treadmill exactly.
You know what's right here a couch, and right there
is an infrared sauna which you cannot see. So we're
not leaving.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
This house often.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Now we're in it deep.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
All right, let's talk about this today. We're talking about
toxic masculinity, toxic femininity and gender roles and relationships. Are
you dating? Yes?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And I've been getting a lot of hell.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
But do people know that Edwin's dating too?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Well? I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I think people want, in a weird way, want me
to be the bad guy.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
But I'm like, we are on good terms. We have
come up.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
We decided that we were going to be open and
honest with each other and try to do whatever we
can to be the best parents that we can. But
also this is an agreement we came up with. We
were getting a divorce prior.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
To all of this, to all of it, and also
to it's your life and people need to butt out
and his as well, and like saying, like, however, you
guys want to do this. You're both dating people, you're
both going out, Like everybody needs to reserve your judgment.
You're not living in this home with them. You don't
know what's going on. You're outside there commenting, just shut
(09:51):
the fuck up.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
And it's like why, And I feel like that's where it.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Don't take the time to tell me to fuck off, okay.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And that's that's why it's also like it could be
so toxic because people are like, well, don't you have
bigger things you should be concerned with?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
And I'm like, don't you.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I'm like, don't we freaking all? And I'm not like
sliming around trying to.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Hurt mynn't to explain yourself to anybody, I know, but
I that's why you don't have to explain yourself to anybody.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
But I think, you know, I think it's necessary. The
biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
For all of us is to feel, you know, supported
and happy and enjoying our time.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I think you need to feel supported and happy from
the people that know you and care about you, that
are right here with you, and we do love and
support you, and we know that you are a really
like great mom.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And I mean it's not like I mean, guys, I
go to about eight thirty every night.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I think it's an early date.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
If it's a date, we had to start the Kyle
thing at six promptly because she was out by eight.
And we're not lying.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
This is how it is. Have you gone on any
day since last time? I saw you.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
No, but I went to New York to go to work. Well,
and that is just dissatisfying.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
This is the problem is that I am always word
vomiting all of my life.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
But if I had something to say, I would I
just don't. Well, I need to get out there though.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I say this every week, say this every week, and
I honestly I'm going to start just I'm going to
be like a paparazzi sooner, just be following you around,
and then I'm gonna be like this week from Paparazzi Teddy.
I discovered you're.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Not going to get shirt because I am in bed
watching YouTube. YouTube I do.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I like to YouTube. Hold on to the new show.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
What's the guy's name that always watches Housewives? That's John
Hamm John ham that wanted to strangle me, Oh do
you want to strangle You should just because I want
to take her and shake her and say those aren't
your ear rings? I didn't know who said that. But anyway,
his new show is really good. Not to throw him roses.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I mean, I don't know that we can really.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I may like new show. I think it's good and
interesting in keeping me, but he just did his Mount
Rushmore for Bravoelebrities and he shows chapros.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Oh you're you're Kathy Hilton and Craig Conover.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
So but what are your thoughts on Okay, clearly your
breakup was a very and then we'll get on to it.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Sorry, sorry, sorry, but this is okay.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I say, we just have to always go ROAs it's.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Good just to your thing.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
But your breakup was a very public breakup. But do
you think there's a requirement when you're on reality television
to let people know when that's happened.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
At some point if it's real. I think that, Like, look,
I think at some point, let's take for example, like
de MPK and then there was the constant he's not here,
he's not there, or Mauricio and Kyle. At some point
you have to say, yes, this is what's going on. Yeah,
I agree, at some point you do, because it's not
(12:57):
it's not like oh they were out one weekend. You know,
if it's consistently something separate, at some point you got
to say, yeah, we're separated.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
And I lied. I have one other thing.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I need a Were you heartbroken when garcel and followed
you devastated?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I'm about as heartbroken as she was when I am
followed her back.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Ah damn, Now I need to do my first unfollow. Yeah,
I'm such a dork.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Okay, So this all started this conversation because Tracy Ellis
Ross said she dates younger men because men her age
are steeped and toxic masculinity.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
What does that mean to you? Toxic masculinity? Well, I
think it's like.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
For me, I know a lot about toxic positivity because
I bet you do both and wellness world.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I bet you do. And have people been talks, Yes,
I bet you do.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Because even like you know, when you think about some
of like the best motivational speakers, then I meet them,
I'm like, you're a freaking narcissistic asshole.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Most everybody in our necess a freaking narcissistic asshole. Also,
two people are humans.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, when it comes to toxic masculinity, I mean dating younger,
I mean that just means it's.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Going to come later, right, Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I think that is it a trade off? You're you're
trading off toxic masculinity for inexperience and I'm not sure
which one I prefer. And then I'm kind of good
with the old toxic dudes.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You like old toxics.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I know I'm saying I have a lot of experience,
so I can't. I know what I'm looking at, and
like the younger dudes like the inexperience of it all.
I mean, I think that you know what I really feel.
First off, I kind of feel like I need different
people to fill different uh seeds.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
So you want to be on sister wives? That dude?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Of all do dudes? I'm sorry we're gonna talk about
I just want to say, if one broad brings these
men down, how the fuck are you gonna like four?
You know men are That's a that's a big undertaking.
You're gonna satisfy four women?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
He doesn't even satisfy my eyes on the television screen.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
He must be a beast in bed or something.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I'm like, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I think he just was able to afford a house
that could have four different entrances.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Would you would you do something like that? Could you
be a sister wife?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
No? Not. I could be a sister wife in the
way of like being couples and like living on a compound.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Really, yes, but not having sex with each other's partners.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, okay, but like I could, I like, I would
be very selective with like my three other couples that
we lived with.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Of course, of course I would.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Be fine with that, like, Okay, well I'm gonna do this, Okay,
Well then I've got all the kids.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Like that idea is okay with you, That's okay with me.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Like I loved having my sister here, Oh yeah, that
kind of stuff. Like I was like and she would
go and be like, well, I'm gonna feed the kids dinner.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
You want to do that? Like I love that divide
and conger aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
It does feel like, at least from looking at sister wife, say,
they do the kids. They all take care of these children.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, so that's helpful.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
That is that seems really cool about it.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
But I wouldn't want to be married to the same guy.
But when it comes to younger guys, I can say,
I am.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I'm dating I met him.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, I did meet him.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
He's very sweet, but I would say that, what.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Do you think, Well, one, he's not that much younger,
But two, I would say I asked him, I said,
why would you be interested in dating somebody that's older?
Like I'm clearly not going to have more children. I'm
in the city, and he said, you know, I've been
dating a lot of younger girls at the younger than him,
(16:52):
girls like you know, by whatever, and he goes, They're
just interested in different things, and like, I'm not interested
in that in my life, like I want. I'm in
like my job in my life and having fun and
experiences and doing these things.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
He's like, I don't really want to.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Hear about the petty stuff that you care about when
you're twenty eight years old. I mean, he has a point,
and he is not twenty eight for the record, he
is older than that, but like.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
That was yeah, but he has a point. I know that,
like because I've dated younger men too, and they say
things like I like the fact that you are truly
your own independent person and that you know I don't
check up on anybody, Like if you want to go out,
go out for three fucking days and call me this.
(17:36):
But this is also the marriage that I had because
I couldn't not control but I didn't even know where
Tom was. So I think it's so ingrained in me
that if I date somebody, I'm like, well fuck it.
If you go away for I don't know. Yeah, knock
yourself out.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I don't caring.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, Like, I think that's where we can talk about
this toxic masculinity or toxics women like I don't at
this stage of my life. I don't want to be checked.
I don't want something.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
It's one thing to be like how you doing, thinking
about you.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
But do not patrol or police my actions.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I don't want it.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Do not do that to me.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I don't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
If you want your freedom and you don't want me
to bother you, then the same has to go for me.
Like you cannot police me, you cannot know where I'm at.
You will never have my phone. We do not share passwords.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
We're not sharing passwords. I don't want your location.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I don't want your location.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I've lived that life already.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yes, well yeah, and I'm not saying that it's the
world's worst thing. But I don't want to feel like that.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I don't want to feel like I have to check in,
like I have to be home at a certain time.
I have no dog, my son is grown and it's
just me. I don't have brothers and sisters. So if
I want to stay out all night, the only person
I feel like I have to text is sometimes my child.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah sometimes and maybe sometimes lie.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Right and lia just to let people know, yeah right,
like don't worry about me. I'm over here.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
But other than that, I don't want to have to
check in with somebody. And I don't want to have
to you know, No, I'm tired of that.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah. And I think that also something that people don't
necessarily realize. And I was as I was watching the
show last night, not not housewives, guys, don't worry. I'm
not like getting tips from housewives on marriages.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
CONTI married.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Everybody blew up anyways.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
But it's like the way that your life changes as
you get more successful. Like so as a man or
as a woman, your marriage or your relationship is going
to change. If one person absolutely career change, yeah, somebody
becomes the lead dog and then the other guy's got
to become the follower.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And I think does it exist. I'm trying to think,
like in the history of anybody, like, does it exist
where there is two like equals equals?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I mean, I think it's possible. Okay, look, anything is possible,
but I'm guessing that at some point they may start off.
But as things change, I mean, but just that's the
way life is.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
But one person is always going to have the upper hand,
even if you are equals.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I think I would imagine, so, whether it's financially or
your personality, somebody's always going to have more than the other.
But it's just about what is it? Is it more money?
Is it more power? Is it more flexibility? Is it
more is someone prettier or more handsome, somebody younger, older,
more educated. There's a lot of things it could be.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, and also things change, But I have also realized
about me something I need to do. It's just like
kind of being more open, like I'm not really into
that or that kind of gave me the eck.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I think. Yeah, I think you've earned the right to
just say exactly how you feel. Yeah, and not like rude,
but just like I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, But if you've been with somebody for twenty five years,
you're not going to be like, hey, by the way,
something you've been doing for the last twenty four point
five years has really been on bugget man.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
And I've waited all this time to tell you I've
been just letting it faster slide for two decades plus.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
She also said she's done being someone's possession or prize.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Let's your take on men who treat you like a
status symbol instead of an equal partner, And have you
ever dated one? I was never an equal partner in
my marriage. I dated somebody that was well, excuse me.
I married Tom, I think when he was sixty and
I was twenty seven, so he was already made and
had made a ton of money, and so I married
a fully formed human and the power balance was way whack.
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Was I a possession? I think that I was not?
In Yeah, yeah, somewhat like a doll in a way.
I mean that sounds kind of weird, but just kind
of like a thing.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
No, there wasn't there like a whole movie about this
where you've become not a Stepford wife, but like everybody
kind of falls into line. Yeah, but do you feel
like there were times in your marriage where you were
the most like that?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, of course you're ten. Starting out right from the beginning,
it was always Tom's life. Yeah, yeah, because Tom had
the bigger life. He was the most educated, the more experienced,
and you know, obviously had the most money. So it
was it was all about Tom for a very long time,
and I did fall into line. You do fall into line.
A lot of women do that. They you know, you
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hear women all the time say they lose themselves or
their own identity. They start to become something like, you know,
of their husband's life, or then the kids come and
then they become a month full time.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
And I also think, you know, we could put all
the place on them, like all the blame on the men.
But I think sometimes it can be us.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Like I found myself without ever being asked to go
above and beyond to try to make another person happy
before myself.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
That is very true. And we as women have to
be able to step back and say, wait a second,
why am I doing this? Is this because I'm conditioned
to do it? Is it something I saw? Is this
something I really want to do?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
You know?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
And that I don't think that we give ourselves enough
time to say, wait a second, is this really what
I want to do? Because I think that sometimes women
start families and they may not be ready as well.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, and also then we want to blame the other person. Truly,
can you made these decisions? I remember, you know, I've
been married twice now, so like There has been times
where I've done things that like no one asked me
to do, but I wanted to do it, and then
I had resentment towards it, and that's on you and
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that's on me.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
It was a decision I made, That's right. So I think, yes,
do I think.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
There's such thing as toxic masculinity or toxic Yeah, But
I really think it's more based on the person, Like
you either have empathy and you have self realization and
your relationships or you don't.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I think you have to first, I think, I mean,
looking back at it now, the more you know yourself,
the more comfortable you are in your own skin, the
more you've cleaned up, you're on side of the street,
through the thing, whatever it is. Then you're able to
really look at things from an objective point of view
and say, you know what, I'm not doing that, or
I do I actually do want to do this, and
then you have to run a less risk of having
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resentment later on because you're like, no, I made a
conscious choice. It's when you do things from you know,
like unconscious choices that you end up feeling kind of
weird about it.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, And you know what Tracy elis Ross may changed
her mind and be like, you know what now, all
of a sudden, I don't want to be the you
know now that I'm dating younger I don't want to
be the one making these decisions. I miss that feeling, hurse.
But I mean, I don't know that that necessarily has
to do with age. I think it has because it
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says dating younger men. I think it has to do
with personality type. I do too, Like you're like I
say to people all the time, I'm like, don't ask
me where I want to go to dinner. Make the decision,
make the decision. I make every other decision in my life,
like if we're going to hang.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Out, not me and I know I like you and
a guy? Yeah, like you take me somewhere, Yeah, like
take me something.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Doesn't have to be nice. It's not about money, it's
about just don't make me make those decisions.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Do you find it attractive when men are more emotionally
open and available, or do you prefer it when they
are stoic.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I think sometimes stoic can come off as not.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Caring, comes off as yes, indifferent, yeah, which.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I think is the worst. What I want somebody that's
crying around all the time. Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
No, I think there's a nice balance.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
You want somebody that is in touch with your feelings
and their emotions and being able to communicate that to you.
Because when someone's not, like you feel like you're talking
to the wall. Yeah, that is nowhere to be and.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Then you know, I'm okay.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Like if somebody just walks out of the room, I
think that's rude. But if somebody's like, hey I need
a minute, I understand that.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, that's reasonable, that's real. I think sometimes just a
clear communication, like I don't need a whole lot of words,
but if you could just let me know, like hey
I need a second.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Hey, that to hurt my feelings, I need to sorry,
you know.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I apologize that.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, if you can just say something, then I'm okay
with that.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Do you think that people are getting to the point
where women are expecting the total package?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I think every man and woman expects the total package
when you're young, and then when you're like my age,
you look back and you go, I'm just looking for
somebody that's decent in a heartbur you know, like certainly
you're just looking for a decent human. Yeah, because what package,
Like I had all that and look at where it
got me.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
You know, so it got you unpacked?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Honey, I couldn't have said it, yeah unpacked.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
For sure, you got unpacked.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I got taken to the cleaner.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Clean it up, clean it up.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Mean, my god, this is devastating. But you are right,
I got unpacked, and I yeah, you know, the total package,
define total package, and I.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Can guarantee that we're not the total package either, Like
whoever thinks that I'm going to be the total package.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I'm like, oh god, I think everybody knows I'm a disaster.
So it doesn't even matter, do you think that?
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Hold on, let me see which one I want next?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Sorry?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
What does safety actually feel like to.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
You in a relationship? This is very important for me lately.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Okay, So.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Safety for me is confident, Like if I tell you something,
it remains between us. I'm talking like male female, I
mean yeah, male female, not like friends right now, which
is I also confidence is a big thing, but male female.
I need to know that what I say to you
stays between us. I also need to know that you're
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not sharing anything that we do intimately with anyone else,
meaning like running your mouth. I know, that sounds crazy,
but it's important for me. I don't know why. I
also need to be assured that you want to get
to know me as a person. Yeah, that is what
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instead of what you think of. Yeah, and I also
need somebody that understands that maybe what you've been told
or what you've been shown isn't the complete picture of
who I am.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I mean, I agree with that. For me, safety is
more just like I think I do have. I'm such
an overthinker in general. Safety for me is like you're
not going to make me overthink everything, right, Like I
don't want to play games. No, I don't want to
have to worry that I said this and it bothered you.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Well i'll too. If you say you're going to call
it five, call it five five, Yeah, because by five
thirty I'm over it and I've got a ton of
shit to do.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Well.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah, Like you don't have to call me every night,
but if you're gonna say I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Call you, please do it just so I can like, yeah,
it could be two.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Seconds or centertypes. Hey, things got busy. Like just communication
in general feels.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Like say it feels it's safe and it's considerate, and
then I also know what to do next, Like I
can't I run such a tight schedule that if it's
six o'clock at six o'clock, yeah, don't you know?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:25):
For me, I at this point in my life, being
nurtured is something I need. I don't know that I
necessarily needed it before, or I didn't know that I
needed it before.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I need it now, But I need it now.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
What about you, I'll always need it. You always need it, Yeah,
I think because that nurturing to me is a give
and take, Like I want to nurture my person and
I want them to nurture me. I think that's a
good thing.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, I agree. And then what is your thoughts on
being an independent woman?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
I think that that's a great idea. Yeah, and I
think that it works too. I think it works to
a point. But like in life, you have to you
can't do everything by yourself. Just as a human being,
like we all, it's a collaborative being. A human being
is being a collaborative. We're a collaborative species. So I
think that you know, yes, I think you should. One
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thing I've learned is you should have your own money.
You should be in control of your own money. But
you're also going to need help in some ways. That's
not being you know, that's not not being an independent U. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Do you think that a lot of.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
This talk about toxic masculinity effeminity has to do with
money or has to do with power both.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Do you think that they're always hand in hand?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I believe they are both. I believe money and power
go hand in hand. I really do. Somebody's always got
the upper hand, But sometimes power can be some kind
of just douche lord that has that's pretend power.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, that's not real power.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
What would that be considered?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
That's like that's considered toxic masculinity or just well, yeah,
you're just losers.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah, you're just losers.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Do you think fully development exist? I mean that's kind
of a perfection. I'm sure there are people that are
out there. My therapist told me, she's like, you know,
you need to date someone that's been in therapy, that's
actually done some work on themselves, so that you know,
you have a chance of meeting somebody that understands where
you're coming from.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
And I think if somebody says they're fully developed, they're not.
They're probably not that great of people, because like I
know that I still have a lot of work to
do on myself in my life.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
No one will ever achieve that. Yeah, no one will
ever achieve it.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
And if you think that you've achieved it, you most
certainly haven't.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
No. No, let's talk about toxic femininity.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Oooo do we know any of those?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Where do I begin me? I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Do you have the urge to like tell people like,
these are the things I've done. I did it on
my own, like like there are moments where people.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
There's not much shut off. No, I don't think so,
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I think I know, do you I think in relationships
a point?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
You know, I think it's interesting because my job, for example,
is to you know, yes, of course I have all in.
But before all of this happened, I mean, I was
podcasting six days, five days a week, and to the outside,
I would feel the need to be like, well.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, I mean, I know I'm not leaving my house
and I know I'm in my living room, but this
is a job.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Like I really felt the need to justify it.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I need felt the need to justify it, especially if
somebody's coming and going to an office and do you
think that women or men or anybody gets punished now
for being too bold?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Because I've noticed that a bit now.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
You mean you and I?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah, I mean we were sure.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, I do. I think like I've been, I've been
punished for being too bold.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Yes, you have to.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
But here's the thing. Do you want to play small
and play weak and be fragile and tears all the
time and manipulate like that? I can't do it. It
makes me frustrated. I can't bap my eyes all the time.
And staying pretty is being something is something that I
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do for my job, Like not staying pretty, but staying
say sexy, staying on top of your esthetic so that
you can look as cleaned up as you can for
your age. That being submissive just to pleasing men, you know?
I shit. I always got criticized for being submissive to Tom.
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But it really was just a power imbalance. So is
it submissive or is it just controlled?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
And would he say I want you to look or
act or dress a certain way?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
No?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I think it was more like, this is where we're going,
and I knew knew, I knew what to do, right,
You knew it that moment? Yeah? You knew, and you
also know, like you can't go to a client dinner
and like have three vodkas and start, you know, acting
like an ass. You know.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I mean, we've all been there and realized afterwards.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
That was a mistake, Right, So maybe you do that
once and not again.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, so, because then that become But I think we
all have to like also take ownership for when that
does happen, when you have too many vodkas and you're
on that date and you may act in appropriately and
then all of a sudden you want to blame the
other person.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Well I did that because I was frustrated with what
you did on the way to dinner. And Bob, Bob,
do you do that?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I don't. I just say during too much.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
And it was my phone. Sometimes I'm really pushing shit
off on it.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Well, sometimes you have to, I guess.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Do you think women sometimes judge each other through the
same toxic lens?
Speaker 3 (34:41):
What question is this? I didn't write it.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
You know, the world would be a better place if
women cut women a break, do you know what I mean? Stop?
That's what I hate the most. It's like everybody even
like if you wanted to like bring it back to
the show everybody's been in a s deep time in
their marriage, Like, calm down, everybody, Well, I would do
it this way, but we're not. It's not you.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
And if you did do it this way, then why
are you so upset about it? Because I don't get upset. Yeah,
I don't get upset about.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Things that don't generally somewhat affect me, Like I may
have to for work sake, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
You may give your opinion, but the bottom line is
what someone else chooses to do in their life is
their life. Yeah, I can say, hey, you know what,
like I don't really think that's the most healthy thing
for you that I'm not gonna lose sleep over it.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
It's not like and I'm not.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I'm also not gonna provided it's nothing insane, Right, I'm
not gonna stop being friends with someone because they don't
feel the same way about life that I do. Yeah,
and decided it's not crazy.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Sometimes I think things can also not be talked about,
like if I know it's going to end and freaking chaos,
like in my day to day life, like I have
one friend that's just super on it over this one
freaking topic, and I know if that topic comes up,
I'm like, it's gonna end it Like so I.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Mean towards you or you towards her, neither just in general. Yeah,
I don't want to do yet, Like I don't need
to get into it.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
I don't have that, I don't have.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
The energy for that, and you especially don't. Yeah, I
don't let me ask you with this. This is gonna
Is it hard to be both tough and tender as
a woman.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
I think that's a good question. I think yes.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
But I think for me, I am tough in some
ways and tender in others. But I there are some
situations that I want to be tender and I maybe
don't know how, I don't know how to express that,
so then.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I end up being too tough.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I agree. I think I do the same thing. And
I think it's like I don't know if it's emotional
regulation or learning when to like turn it on and
turn it off. But I think sometimes the tougher I've
had to be, especially the last few years, that the
tenderness just gets overran, you know, and then and then
it's harder to let down that, you know, defense, or
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let down that that part of your personality and really
be super soft, because when you.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Do that and then you get let down, it's the worst.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
It's the worst.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
It's the worst, and then you carry it around to
every other friendship and relationship you have.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Well, I do m what's healthy masculine energy to you?
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I guess for me, I mean I'm old school in
certain ways. Like I want you to open the door
for me too.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Yeah, Like I don't mind. I like, I don't want
you to.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Put me down or treat me that I'm less than,
but like I want you to take care I want
you to want to take care of me a little bit.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, I think like manners and stuff like that is
really kind. I like that. It shows that you know
your mother or whomever raised you gave you some you know.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I mean even last I with Cruise, like I you know,
I wasn't feeling one hundred percent. I'm like, hey, buddy,
can you go grab my pedia light and do this?
And he's like, do you want it in a cup
with ice or no? And I'm like, I think that
is a good tool to have.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Whenever we used to take my son out to dinner
and she was young coming up and obviously it's in
his thirties, but he used to always pull out my chair.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Yeah, you have to do this. I kind of forget
about the pulling out that I don't get that often.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah, I mean just opening the door or something like that.
It's small, but it goes a long way.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Yeah. Also manners to me goes a long way.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Eats and like food is kind of closing your mouth
when you chew. And that's why I hate eating on
the show.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Well I know that's why you never order avocado toast.
It's the biggest mistake ever.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I just hate eating the show. And you get hungry
and you want to eat, but it's just like nobody
looks good eating.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
And there's certain things like little bites, like if it's
just if it's like a little this, then it's easy
you pop it in.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
But like when you have to and then it's in
the tea, it's too much.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I just remember that, like not wanting to so long.
It's just like nobody wants to be nobody looks good
when they eat on camera.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
No, well we didn't look good when we drank on camera?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Were you talking to.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
We nailed it?
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Oh my god, I was looking at what was it?
It was like some trip we were on and we
just looked haggard like as a group. I'm not talking
about individually, he looked I just saw this.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
It was it was like airing just on Bravo and
I like turned it on and I was like, why
do we look so know where we were? Yes, I know,
I know you were going to say that, well, because
I think that trip we weren't allowed to have glam,
which I never brought glam, but I would steal others GLAMs.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
That's fine, you want to look good on TV.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Like I think we got the memo we couldn't have
glam there, and so I think we all just looked
like a big bunch.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
No I had glammed it.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
But I'll tell you this, like there, of course she's
not going anybody, but here's the other not me, here's
the other thing too. Just sometimes where was it? This was?
I think before you joined it was like Mexico and
it was down that Kyle had rented this place. And
when I tell you, I looked like the biggest, sweatiest
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humidified mess, just grease all over.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I was like, oh my god, my favorite memory of
of you, and like a look was when we were
in the Bahamas and we all came down. It was
our most fun day when we all swam together. But
you had on like one of those like old school
body gloves. And then all of a sudden, we get
down and we go to walk across the like plank.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
I walked my heels and you had these big high
heels on and you just went shit shit.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
But I walked across and they didn't show it. But
that's okay.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
But it was one of my favorite moments. I mean,
while I'm lik in.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Flats well you know, and I had sandals, but I
was like, we already committed to this look, you know,
so which I think sometimes is like who cares? And
then I think, but you do care Erica, But I.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Think that this is something I know, you know, we
can give a little housewives right now. There are some
women that can really pull off doing a look. I
am not one of those women.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
But you, because it's not an interest in me, hold on.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
But you have your own style. This is what I
always say. Everyone has their own style. And that's why
people like different characters is because people resonate with different things.
Nobody has. It's not a group of clones. It's a
group of people, you know, identify with different women on
different things.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Right, But I don't love watching a housewife that comes
and tries to be in Erica Jane or be a
Dreek like then.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
It doesn't well, it just feels inauthentic and authentically like.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yes, there are moments that I tried to experiment with
red lipstick that I really regretted.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Do you really I do?
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Because I remember I didn't know that you weren't supposed
to put gloss gloss overad and then all of a
sudden we were like started filling, starts to slide. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
But yeah, but you know what, though, you got you
got your act together.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Well, hold on, we got to move back.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
This reminds me of toxic masculinity, your situation with Denise Richards.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Oh yeah, tell me about it.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
So what was the husband's name, Aaron that fought with us?
Speaker 1 (42:26):
He was one that I think had a little bit
of toxic masculinity. We kind of both got into an argument.
I'm sure you let bygones be by gones.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
We it was words. Yeah, I feel like the thing is,
I don't like it when the men get mixed up
in that.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Yeah. So that's kind of what it was.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
But the other day I was dying laughing because somebody
came up to me and they're like, have you tried
Eastern medicine? And I'm like, I haven't yet. I'm gonna
wait till you get and they're like, well, there's this guy.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Away and it was Denise's husband.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
It was Denise's husband, but they said, you have to
pay a ton of money up front, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
And I was like, well, I'm definitely not.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah, and he's not.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
But then I was reminded of you being on the
show that I just watched, and this is the one
thing that I want to talk about in regards to Denise.
And then we'll move on and we'll be done, and
then next week we'll talk about something else, and then
I'll get sidetracked, because that's what people with seven tumors do,
is that seven god tumor time.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Eric is like, when I signed on to do this pod,
you didn't have any tumors.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
We didn't know you did, but we found out and
we're making we're rolling right through it, so fuck theseus,
fuck these tumors.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
We get a little sidetracked, But how upset she.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Got over the threesome conversation, and then I watched how
she was on the show with her kids, and I
almost ship myself.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
I know, but this is something that we knew.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Well I know we knew, but now everybody knows, and
nobody's given us the credit.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
It We're never going to get it.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
I want some talks with positivity about Teddy.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Was right listen last week. I'm always right, whether it's today, tomorrow,
or five years and you were to yeah, and you
know it. Sometimes it's the truth, like something.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I think people that watch the show, it's like, yeah,
we said this, Yeah, there was a reason we felt this.
There's a reason we felt this way. It wasn't just
coming out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
But you know, well in the show was saying Teddy
and Erica are always right ish at some point ish
right there.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Listen, there's always going to be a moment week ago.
They did call that out. Yeah, they did call that out.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
But only one person's going to remember, and they're not
the person that's going to write it everywhere.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
And that's only going to be you and me have
to go on here to remind everybody remember when we
telled you remember remember back in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
I'm sorry, I can't remember what day it is, but
I do remember what happened in twenty.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Sixteen because it gets at the port of John. You know,
I happen to be, because it gets burned into your
fucking memory because you're so mad about it. I know,
but I've gotten so mad at shit.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
That I knew.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
I was like, but you knew what's coming.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
It is not what happened, I know, But either way,
who cares.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
We're not We're a peaked in our growing or study.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Stay toxic, Stay toxic, guys, stay toxic, everybody, just stay toxic.
Working for us. I do have a friend and I
always text him, stay toxic with the little sparkles.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
Oh, toxic with a sparkle. That's smart.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Well, thanks guys for tuning in for another episode. Let
us know what you want us to talk about next week.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
You guys keep saying sex. We can't always talk about
sech I mean.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
I mean we can, but the bottom line is there's
only so much and then you know it's kind of
boring unless you guys are gonna come in here and
tell us, Yeah, unless.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
You're gonna oh, maybe we should. I feel like we're
due for a Q and A.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I like a Q and all we.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Get a Q and A listen, since we're always right.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Let's switch it from a Q and A to advice
to advice instead of like, what, dear, what is it?
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Dear John, dear Abby, it's not. Dear diamonds, dear dear
rough diamonds, rough dimonds.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Don't we stay toxic?
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Stay toxic?
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Oh my gosh, that should be next week. Sounds fun.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Thanks guys, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Bye bye,
Hi, guys, Welcome to another episode of Diamonds in the
Rough with myself Teddy Millon Camp and.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I am Erica Jane. Today today we who are you?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Normally? I don't fucking know, ted what is going on?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
E I was feeling very sorry for myself as I
drove over here, and then I thought I have nothing
to feel sorry about, because I thought of you.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Listen, we all get a second to feel fait a second.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
You get a second, and then you have to bounce
back up. That's all.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
So you bounced back yep, So you're not going to
share with me.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I just went, no, I can share with you. It's
not that big of a deal. I was just feeling tired,
but kind of like crabby for no particular reason, and
it just it doesn't you know. Sometimes I get crabby
and I'm like, you know why, there's no real Erica,
it's not that big of a deal. You start thinking about, well, look,
you know, it's really not that big of a deal.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
And then you start making up in your head why
you can't do something.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Of course, and it becomes bigger than it really is,
and you make excuses for yourself. And I really don't
have any and then I get disappointed that I know
I'm doing it.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Well. I get that way even with errans, like I'm like, oh,
I need to go buy new like bras, sure, and
I'll be like, well, that's annoying.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, I don't want to annoying. A lot of things
are annoying, but you don't have to do them anyway.
And I think I was just feeling sorry for myself
on the way over here. So, but but you seem
like you're you're back on track. I ditched in the driveway.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
You left it there were like dove leaves all of
her trash.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Does she really today?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I went out to follow after what I mean trash,
She like will have snacks and then she'll just like
leave her snack bags out there.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I'm like, excuse me, done done. You're not going to
get these snacks.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
If you're just gonna be leaving them all, we can't
do that. She's very booked up. But yeah, it's been
I feel a little tied today too. But now I'm
all hyped up on caffeine. Sorry, don't come for me, guys,
I'm on my second.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Grade to do whatever you want. Tell me what's going
on with you? Well?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Tomorrow is the day that I go to the oncologist
and all of the specialists and they do.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
My MRI to see if anymore like.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Because last time I went to get my MRI, I
had more tumors. Sure, so this week, you know, tomorrow
I go in and find out if I have more tumors,
if they've grown, if they've shrunk, and then I also
do immunotherapy. But the concern with this one is like
I really one hundred percent thought like I'm like, I'm good,
(02:41):
they've definitely shrunk. I haven't been having headaches or feeling weird,
Like right, I'm good. And then today, hold on, you
have Okay, today I have a headache. But maybe that's
stress what I'm saying. Well, And then the doctor wrote
something that like, you know, we had to send to
a couple different people, but it was just like how
(03:02):
stress you know, then it'll so that the cord is
all released, especially when you have cancer.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, it's like I'm sure it's like super high.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, it's like super high. And so it's like all
that nervous energy and I'm just like just chill.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, but it's very hard for you to do that. Yeah,
this is a tough one.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, so this is a toughie. Plus it's like, you know,
if they have grown or if I have more the
conversations I'm going to have to have with my kids
post is already like giving me.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Anxiety, anxiety because I should.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I mean, it'll be a dream. I'll be so happy.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I've been really trying to be positive thinking that they're
going to go and be like, guess what.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
This time it worked right. But I'm also and have fear.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I think that you are very right to be a
normal human being and have fear, and I think that
we also need to be hopeful and positive. But Teddy, like,
what you're facing is fucking unreal. It's not it's a
big deal.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
And it sounds so silly, but like everything in my
life has.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Changed so much that's not silly at all.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
That like even you know, next week, I'm going it's
the first time I'm going to like a like we
talk sometimes about like the pressures of Hollywood or the
pressures of being in the business, But next week's the
first week that I have to wear like a black
tie dress. Yeah, And I was like trying them on
and I was like, well, this isn't going to work. Well,
(04:36):
this isn't because nothing you know, fits anything. Yeah, and
it feels so like depressing, depressing, and I'm like, you know,
at least there was a point like when I start
thinking back, then you go down like the timeline of
all the shitty things that have happened, and we all
do it in our lives, and I'm like, this isn't
a shitty thing. That's not that big of a deal.
(04:57):
Just like go get something else. But like I'm beating
myself up over it.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
That's normal. I understand why you would too. Yeah, absolutely,
especially like look at the business we're in. Yeah, you're
also really used to looking a certain way, and you're
very strict with your you're very disciplined with your fitness
and you know your nutrition, and so something like this
would Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And I had to depress thing last week. And I'm
not to call the person out, but they were like,
how do you feel about the fact that your body's changed?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And I was like, wow, that's nice, and like, you know,
I was a little like come on, and I was like,
I didn't mention this to you before we started this interview,
so like you just saw it and just felt and
then it like all those old things.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And conversations just got kicked right back.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
And I was like, but I just think it's important.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Like when people ask about plastic surgery or about whatever,
it's like we all have to do what we're comfortable with.
And like I'm super comfortable talking about plastic surgery, I'm
not super comfortable talking about like when I'm going through
hard times, like talking about my body.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, like body changes, yes, my.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Body changes, and there's it's it's different than before where
I'm like, well, I'm just gonna go for a run.
I'm gonna take care of myself and take that right now.
Like sometimes I can't do it and it might not work. Yeah,
And it's like completely different when it's from steroids.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
So it's like all of these things.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
So if I'm a little fast talking today, guys, this
is why, like some of my past.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
In securities, which I know is like a forbidden.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Word, it is why.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I remember like there was like a Housewives episode where
someone's like you, you know you feel insecure and not.
I think it was maybe to Camille, and like that
was the ultimate like put down.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
We're all we all are insecure like every human on
this planet has insecurities. There's not a soul that is
not without them.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, soul, it just it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And I think that that's if you guys are having
a moment where you feel insecure, I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Then like something will happen.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I'll be like today, I really I could put my
wig in a ponytail and like it.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
And I was like, you know the theory, did you right?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Like, yeah, I mean it might go up and downlytics.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I did it myself today, But I'm like, I'm pretty
excited about this.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Live your life, you know, I think you look good.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Any other action going on with you?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Before we get into the discussion of toxic masculinity and
toxic femininity.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
There is toxic femininity. No, I went to New York,
uh for the weekend to do a job. I can't
tell you what it is, which is really nice and
so it was nice.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
To We're going to see it.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Is it something having to do with Broadway or is
it something having to do with the television.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
It's on television.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Okay, did you go out it all while you're there?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
No, it was strictly like come in, work, leave, Yeah,
but it was nice. I mean, you know, there's something
fun and I think you appreciate this too, about it's
almost like a mission. You know, I've got to go here,
perform this, and then come home. I kind of like
those things. They're fast, they're furious, but it makes me
feel alive, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I know that's kind of I think that's why it's
still other than being able to go with Slate, but
it's still the horse shows. I'm like, oh, I get
to leave my house. I get to do this, and
then even if I get tired, I'll just go back
to the hotel and rest a little bit.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
But like having that like.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It's of course, it's something that's necessary. It is necessary.
You're also a competitive person. This is also you living
your life and being as normal as possible.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
And people think that this podcast studio is inside. Like
everyone's always like, well, you leave your house every day
to go to your podcast.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Got here, fore you the beds right here?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
My bed is right here.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
The bed is right here, Okay, And you know what's
on the other side of this little thing a treadmill exactly.
You know what's right here a couch, and right there
is an infrared sauna which you cannot see. So we're
not leaving.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
This house often.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Now we're in it deep.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
All right, let's talk about this today. We're talking about
toxic masculinity, toxic femininity and gender roles and relationships. Are
you dating? Yes?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And I've been getting a lot of hell.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
But do people know that Edwin's dating too?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Well? I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I think people want, in a weird way, want me
to be the bad guy.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
But I'm like, we are on good terms. We have
come up.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
We decided that we were going to be open and
honest with each other and try to do whatever we
can to be the best parents that we can. But
also this is an agreement we came up with. We
were getting a divorce prior.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
To all of this, to all of it, and also
to it's your life and people need to butt out
and his as well, and like saying, like, however, you
guys want to do this. You're both dating people, you're
both going out, Like everybody needs to reserve your judgment.
You're not living in this home with them. You don't
know what's going on. You're outside there commenting, just shut
(09:51):
the fuck up.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
And it's like why, And I feel like that's where it.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Don't take the time to tell me to fuck off, okay.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And that's that's why it's also like it could be
so toxic because people are like, well, don't you have
bigger things you should be concerned with?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
And I'm like, don't you.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I'm like, don't we freaking all? And I'm not like
sliming around trying to.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Hurt mynn't to explain yourself to anybody, I know, but
I that's why you don't have to explain yourself to anybody.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
But I think, you know, I think it's necessary. The
biggest thing.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
For all of us is to feel, you know, supported
and happy and enjoying our time.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I think you need to feel supported and happy from
the people that know you and care about you, that
are right here with you, and we do love and
support you, and we know that you are a really
like great mom.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And I mean it's not like I mean, guys, I
go to about eight thirty every night.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I think it's an early date.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
If it's a date, we had to start the Kyle
thing at six promptly because she was out by eight.
And we're not lying.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
This is how it is. Have you gone on any
day since last time? I saw you.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
No, but I went to New York to go to work. Well,
and that is just dissatisfying.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
This is the problem is that I am always word
vomiting all of my life.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
But if I had something to say, I would I
just don't. Well, I need to get out there though.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I say this every week, say this every week, and
I honestly I'm going to start just I'm going to
be like a paparazzi sooner, just be following you around,
and then I'm gonna be like this week from Paparazzi Teddy.
I discovered you're.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Not going to get shirt because I am in bed
watching YouTube. YouTube I do.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I like to YouTube. Hold on to the new show.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
What's the guy's name that always watches Housewives? That's John
Hamm John ham that wanted to strangle me, Oh do
you want to strangle You should just because I want
to take her and shake her and say those aren't
your ear rings? I didn't know who said that. But anyway,
his new show is really good. Not to throw him roses.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I mean, I don't know that we can really.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I may like new show. I think it's good and
interesting in keeping me, but he just did his Mount
Rushmore for Bravoelebrities and he shows chapros.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Oh you're you're Kathy Hilton and Craig Conover.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
So but what are your thoughts on Okay, clearly your
breakup was a very and then we'll get on to it.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Sorry, sorry, sorry, but this is okay.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I say, we just have to always go ROAs it's.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Good just to your thing.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
But your breakup was a very public breakup. But do
you think there's a requirement when you're on reality television
to let people know when that's happened.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
At some point if it's real. I think that, Like, look,
I think at some point, let's take for example, like
de MPK and then there was the constant he's not here,
he's not there, or Mauricio and Kyle. At some point
you have to say, yes, this is what's going on. Yeah,
I agree, at some point you do, because it's not
(12:57):
it's not like oh they were out one weekend. You know,
if it's consistently something separate, at some point you got
to say, yeah, we're separated.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
And I lied. I have one other thing.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I need a Were you heartbroken when garcel and followed
you devastated?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I'm about as heartbroken as she was when I am
followed her back.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Ah damn, Now I need to do my first unfollow. Yeah,
I'm such a dork.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Okay, So this all started this conversation because Tracy Ellis
Ross said she dates younger men because men her age
are steeped and toxic masculinity.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
What does that mean to you? Toxic masculinity? Well, I
think it's like.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
For me, I know a lot about toxic positivity because
I bet you do both and wellness world.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I bet you do. And have people been talks, Yes,
I bet you do.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Because even like you know, when you think about some
of like the best motivational speakers, then I meet them,
I'm like, you're a freaking narcissistic asshole.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Most everybody in our necess a freaking narcissistic asshole. Also,
two people are humans.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, when it comes to toxic masculinity, I mean dating younger,
I mean that just means it's.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Going to come later, right, Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I think that is it a trade off? You're you're
trading off toxic masculinity for inexperience and I'm not sure
which one I prefer. And then I'm kind of good
with the old toxic dudes.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You like old toxics.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I know I'm saying I have a lot of experience,
so I can't. I know what I'm looking at, and
like the younger dudes like the inexperience of it all.
I mean, I think that you know what I really feel.
First off, I kind of feel like I need different
people to fill different uh seeds.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
So you want to be on sister wives? That dude?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Of all do dudes? I'm sorry we're gonna talk about
I just want to say, if one broad brings these
men down, how the fuck are you gonna like four?
You know men are That's a that's a big undertaking.
You're gonna satisfy four women?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
He doesn't even satisfy my eyes on the television screen.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
He must be a beast in bed or something.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I'm like, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I think he just was able to afford a house
that could have four different entrances.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Would you would you do something like that? Could you
be a sister wife?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
No? Not. I could be a sister wife in the
way of like being couples and like living on a compound.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Really, yes, but not having sex with each other's partners.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, okay, but like I could, I like, I would
be very selective with like my three other couples that
we lived with.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Of course, of course I would.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Be fine with that, like, Okay, well I'm gonna do this, Okay,
Well then I've got all the kids.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Like that idea is okay with you, That's okay with me.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Like I loved having my sister here, Oh yeah, that
kind of stuff. Like I was like and she would
go and be like, well, I'm gonna feed the kids dinner.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
You want to do that? Like I love that divide
and conger aspect of it.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
It does feel like, at least from looking at sister wife, say,
they do the kids. They all take care of these children.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, so that's helpful.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
That is that seems really cool about it.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
But I wouldn't want to be married to the same guy.
But when it comes to younger guys, I can say,
I am.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I'm dating I met him.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, I did meet him.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
He's very sweet, but I would say that, what.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Do you think, Well, one, he's not that much younger,
But two, I would say I asked him, I said,
why would you be interested in dating somebody that's older?
Like I'm clearly not going to have more children. I'm
in the city, and he said, you know, I've been
dating a lot of younger girls at the younger than him,
(16:52):
girls like you know, by whatever, and he goes, They're
just interested in different things, and like, I'm not interested
in that in my life, like I want. I'm in
like my job in my life and having fun and
experiences and doing these things.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
He's like, I don't really want to.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Hear about the petty stuff that you care about when
you're twenty eight years old. I mean, he has a point,
and he is not twenty eight for the record, he
is older than that, but like.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
That was yeah, but he has a point. I know that,
like because I've dated younger men too, and they say
things like I like the fact that you are truly
your own independent person and that you know I don't
check up on anybody, Like if you want to go out,
go out for three fucking days and call me this.
(17:36):
But this is also the marriage that I had because
I couldn't not control but I didn't even know where
Tom was. So I think it's so ingrained in me
that if I date somebody, I'm like, well fuck it.
If you go away for I don't know. Yeah, knock
yourself out.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I don't caring.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, Like, I think that's where we can talk about
this toxic masculinity or toxics women like I don't at
this stage of my life. I don't want to be checked.
I don't want something.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
It's one thing to be like how you doing, thinking
about you.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
But do not patrol or police my actions.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I don't want it.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Do not do that to me.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
I don't want to do it.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
If you want your freedom and you don't want me
to bother you, then the same has to go for me.
Like you cannot police me, you cannot know where I'm at.
You will never have my phone. We do not share passwords.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
We're not sharing passwords. I don't want your location.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I don't want your location.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I've lived that life already.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yes, well yeah, and I'm not saying that it's the
world's worst thing. But I don't want to feel like that.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I don't want to feel like I have to check in,
like I have to be home at a certain time.
I have no dog, my son is grown and it's
just me. I don't have brothers and sisters. So if
I want to stay out all night, the only person
I feel like I have to text is sometimes my child.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah sometimes and maybe sometimes lie.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Right and lia just to let people know, yeah right,
like don't worry about me. I'm over here.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
But other than that, I don't want to have to
check in with somebody. And I don't want to have
to you know, No, I'm tired of that.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah. And I think that also something that people don't
necessarily realize. And I was as I was watching the
show last night, not not housewives, guys, don't worry. I'm
not like getting tips from housewives on marriages.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
CONTI married.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Everybody blew up anyways.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
But it's like the way that your life changes as
you get more successful. Like so as a man or
as a woman, your marriage or your relationship is going
to change. If one person absolutely career change, yeah, somebody
becomes the lead dog and then the other guy's got
to become the follower.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And I think does it exist. I'm trying to think,
like in the history of anybody, like, does it exist
where there is two like equals equals?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I mean, I think it's possible. Okay, look, anything is possible,
but I'm guessing that at some point they may start off.
But as things change, I mean, but just that's the
way life is.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
But one person is always going to have the upper hand,
even if you are equals.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I think I would imagine, so, whether it's financially or
your personality, somebody's always going to have more than the other.
But it's just about what is it? Is it more money?
Is it more power? Is it more flexibility? Is it
more is someone prettier or more handsome, somebody younger, older,
more educated. There's a lot of things it could be.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, and also things change, But I have also realized
about me something I need to do. It's just like
kind of being more open, like I'm not really into
that or that kind of gave me the eck.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I think. Yeah, I think you've earned the right to
just say exactly how you feel. Yeah, and not like rude,
but just like I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, But if you've been with somebody for twenty five years,
you're not going to be like, hey, by the way,
something you've been doing for the last twenty four point
five years has really been on bugget man.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
And I've waited all this time to tell you I've
been just letting it faster slide for two decades plus.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
She also said she's done being someone's possession or prize.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Let's your take on men who treat you like a
status symbol instead of an equal partner, And have you
ever dated one? I was never an equal partner in
my marriage. I dated somebody that was well, excuse me.
I married Tom, I think when he was sixty and
I was twenty seven, so he was already made and
had made a ton of money, and so I married
a fully formed human and the power balance was way whack.
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Was I a possession? I think that I was not?
In Yeah, yeah, somewhat like a doll in a way.
I mean that sounds kind of weird, but just kind
of like a thing.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
No, there wasn't there like a whole movie about this
where you've become not a Stepford wife, but like everybody
kind of falls into line. Yeah, but do you feel
like there were times in your marriage where you were
the most like that?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, of course you're ten. Starting out right from the beginning,
it was always Tom's life. Yeah, yeah, because Tom had
the bigger life. He was the most educated, the more experienced,
and you know, obviously had the most money. So it
was it was all about Tom for a very long time,
and I did fall into line. You do fall into line.
A lot of women do that. They you know, you
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hear women all the time say they lose themselves or
their own identity. They start to become something like, you know,
of their husband's life, or then the kids come and
then they become a month full time.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
And I also think, you know, we could put all
the place on them, like all the blame on the men.
But I think sometimes it can be us.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Like I found myself without ever being asked to go
above and beyond to try to make another person happy
before myself.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
That is very true. And we as women have to
be able to step back and say, wait a second,
why am I doing this? Is this because I'm conditioned
to do it? Is it something I saw? Is this
something I really want to do?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
You know?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
And that I don't think that we give ourselves enough
time to say, wait a second, is this really what
I want to do? Because I think that sometimes women
start families and they may not be ready as well.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah, and also then we want to blame the other person. Truly,
can you made these decisions? I remember, you know, I've
been married twice now, so like There has been times
where I've done things that like no one asked me
to do, but I wanted to do it, and then
I had resentment towards it, and that's on you and
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that's on me.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
It was a decision I made, That's right. So I think, yes,
do I think.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
There's such thing as toxic masculinity or toxic Yeah, But
I really think it's more based on the person, Like
you either have empathy and you have self realization and
your relationships or you don't.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I think you have to first, I think, I mean,
looking back at it now, the more you know yourself,
the more comfortable you are in your own skin, the
more you've cleaned up, you're on side of the street,
through the thing, whatever it is. Then you're able to
really look at things from an objective point of view
and say, you know what, I'm not doing that, or
I do I actually do want to do this, and
then you have to run a less risk of having
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resentment later on because you're like, no, I made a
conscious choice. It's when you do things from you know,
like unconscious choices that you end up feeling kind of
weird about it.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah, And you know what Tracy elis Ross may changed
her mind and be like, you know what now, all
of a sudden, I don't want to be the you
know now that I'm dating younger I don't want to
be the one making these decisions. I miss that feeling, hurse.
But I mean, I don't know that that necessarily has
to do with age. I think it has because it
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says dating younger men. I think it has to do
with personality type. I do too, Like you're like I
say to people all the time, I'm like, don't ask
me where I want to go to dinner. Make the decision,
make the decision. I make every other decision in my life,
like if we're going to hang.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Out, not me and I know I like you and
a guy? Yeah, like you take me somewhere, Yeah, like
take me something.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Doesn't have to be nice. It's not about money, it's
about just don't make me make those decisions.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Do you find it attractive when men are more emotionally
open and available, or do you prefer it when they
are stoic.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I think sometimes stoic can come off as not.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Caring, comes off as yes, indifferent, yeah, which.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I think is the worst. What I want somebody that's
crying around all the time. Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
No, I think there's a nice balance.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
You want somebody that is in touch with your feelings
and their emotions and being able to communicate that to you.
Because when someone's not, like you feel like you're talking
to the wall. Yeah, that is nowhere to be and.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Then you know, I'm okay.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Like if somebody just walks out of the room, I
think that's rude. But if somebody's like, hey I need
a minute, I understand that.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, that's reasonable, that's real. I think sometimes just a
clear communication, like I don't need a whole lot of words,
but if you could just let me know, like hey
I need a second.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Hey, that to hurt my feelings, I need to sorry,
you know.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I apologize that.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, if you can just say something, then I'm okay
with that.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Do you think that people are getting to the point
where women are expecting the total package?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I think every man and woman expects the total package
when you're young, and then when you're like my age,
you look back and you go, I'm just looking for
somebody that's decent in a heartbur you know, like certainly
you're just looking for a decent human. Yeah, because what package,
Like I had all that and look at where it
got me.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
You know, so it got you unpacked?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Honey, I couldn't have said it, yeah unpacked.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
For sure, you got unpacked.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I got taken to the cleaner.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Clean it up, clean it up.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Mean, my god, this is devastating. But you are right,
I got unpacked, and I yeah, you know, the total package,
define total package, and I.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Can guarantee that we're not the total package either, Like
whoever thinks that I'm going to be the total package.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I'm like, oh god, I think everybody knows I'm a disaster.
So it doesn't even matter, do you think that?
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Hold on, let me see which one I want next?
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Sorry?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
What does safety actually feel like to.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
You in a relationship? This is very important for me lately.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Okay, So.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Safety for me is confident, Like if I tell you something,
it remains between us. I'm talking like male female, I
mean yeah, male female, not like friends right now, which
is I also confidence is a big thing, but male female.
I need to know that what I say to you
stays between us. I also need to know that you're
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not sharing anything that we do intimately with anyone else,
meaning like running your mouth. I know, that sounds crazy,
but it's important for me. I don't know why. I
also need to be assured that you want to get
to know me as a person. Yeah, that is what
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instead of what you think of. Yeah, and I also
need somebody that understands that maybe what you've been told
or what you've been shown isn't the complete picture of
who I am.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I mean, I agree with that. For me, safety is
more just like I think I do have. I'm such
an overthinker in general. Safety for me is like you're
not going to make me overthink everything, right, Like I
don't want to play games. No, I don't want to
have to worry that I said this and it bothered you.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Well i'll too. If you say you're going to call
it five, call it five five, Yeah, because by five
thirty I'm over it and I've got a ton of
shit to do.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Well.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah, Like you don't have to call me every night,
but if you're gonna say I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Call you, please do it just so I can like, yeah,
it could be two.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Seconds or centertypes. Hey, things got busy. Like just communication
in general feels.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Like say it feels it's safe and it's considerate, and
then I also know what to do next, Like I
can't I run such a tight schedule that if it's
six o'clock at six o'clock, yeah, don't you know?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:25):
For me, I at this point in my life, being
nurtured is something I need. I don't know that I
necessarily needed it before, or I didn't know that I
needed it before.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
I need it now, But I need it now.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
What about you, I'll always need it. You always need it, Yeah,
I think because that nurturing to me is a give
and take, Like I want to nurture my person and
I want them to nurture me. I think that's a
good thing.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, I agree. And then what is your thoughts on
being an independent woman?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
I think that that's a great idea. Yeah, and I
think that it works too. I think it works to
a point. But like in life, you have to you
can't do everything by yourself. Just as a human being,
like we all, it's a collaborative being. A human being
is being a collaborative. We're a collaborative species. So I
think that you know, yes, I think you should. One
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thing I've learned is you should have your own money.
You should be in control of your own money. But
you're also going to need help in some ways. That's
not being you know, that's not not being an independent U. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Do you think that a lot of.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
This talk about toxic masculinity effeminity has to do with
money or has to do with power both.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Do you think that they're always hand in hand?
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I believe they are both. I believe money and power
go hand in hand. I really do. Somebody's always got
the upper hand, But sometimes power can be some kind
of just douche lord that has that's pretend power.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, that's not real power.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
What would that be considered?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
That's like that's considered toxic masculinity or just well, yeah,
you're just losers.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah, you're just losers.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Do you think fully development exist? I mean that's kind
of a perfection. I'm sure there are people that are
out there. My therapist told me, she's like, you know,
you need to date someone that's been in therapy, that's
actually done some work on themselves, so that you know,
you have a chance of meeting somebody that understands where
you're coming from.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
And I think if somebody says they're fully developed, they're not.
They're probably not that great of people, because like I
know that I still have a lot of work to
do on myself in my life.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
No one will ever achieve that. Yeah, no one will
ever achieve it.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
And if you think that you've achieved it, you most
certainly haven't.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
No. No, let's talk about toxic femininity.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Oooo do we know any of those?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Where do I begin me? I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Do you have the urge to like tell people like,
these are the things I've done. I did it on
my own, like like there are moments where people.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
There's not much shut off. No, I don't think so,
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I think I know, do you I think in relationships
a point?
Speaker 1 (32:08):
You know, I think it's interesting because my job, for example,
is to you know, yes, of course I have all in.
But before all of this happened, I mean, I was
podcasting six days, five days a week, and to the outside,
I would feel the need to be like, well.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, I mean, I know I'm not leaving my house
and I know I'm in my living room, but this
is a job.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Like I really felt the need to justify it.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I need felt the need to justify it, especially if
somebody's coming and going to an office and do you
think that women or men or anybody gets punished now
for being too bold?
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Because I've noticed that a bit now.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
You mean you and I?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah, I mean we were sure.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, I do. I think like I've been, I've been
punished for being too bold.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Yes, you have to.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
But here's the thing. Do you want to play small
and play weak and be fragile and tears all the
time and manipulate like that? I can't do it. It
makes me frustrated. I can't bap my eyes all the time.
And staying pretty is being something is something that I
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do for my job, Like not staying pretty, but staying
say sexy, staying on top of your esthetic so that
you can look as cleaned up as you can for
your age. That being submissive just to pleasing men, you know?
I shit. I always got criticized for being submissive to Tom.
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But it really was just a power imbalance. So is
it submissive or is it just controlled?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
And would he say I want you to look or
act or dress a certain way?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
No?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I think it was more like, this is where we're going,
and I knew knew, I knew what to do, right,
You knew it that moment? Yeah? You knew, and you
also know, like you can't go to a client dinner
and like have three vodkas and start, you know, acting
like an ass. You know.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I mean, we've all been there and realized afterwards.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
That was a mistake, Right, So maybe you do that
once and not again.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, so, because then that become But I think we
all have to like also take ownership for when that
does happen, when you have too many vodkas and you're
on that date and you may act in appropriately and
then all of a sudden you want to blame the
other person.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Well I did that because I was frustrated with what
you did on the way to dinner. And Bob, Bob,
do you do that?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I don't. I just say during too much.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
And it was my phone. Sometimes I'm really pushing shit
off on it.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Well, sometimes you have to, I guess.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Do you think women sometimes judge each other through the
same toxic lens?
Speaker 3 (34:41):
What question is this? I didn't write it.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
You know, the world would be a better place if
women cut women a break, do you know what I mean? Stop?
That's what I hate the most. It's like everybody even
like if you wanted to like bring it back to
the show everybody's been in a s deep time in
their marriage, Like, calm down, everybody, Well, I would do
it this way, but we're not. It's not you.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
And if you did do it this way, then why
are you so upset about it? Because I don't get upset. Yeah,
I don't get upset about.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Things that don't generally somewhat affect me, Like I may
have to for work sake, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
You may give your opinion, but the bottom line is
what someone else chooses to do in their life is
their life. Yeah, I can say, hey, you know what,
like I don't really think that's the most healthy thing
for you that I'm not gonna lose sleep over it.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
It's not like and I'm not.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
I'm also not gonna provided it's nothing insane, Right, I'm
not gonna stop being friends with someone because they don't
feel the same way about life that I do. Yeah,
and decided it's not crazy.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Sometimes I think things can also not be talked about,
like if I know it's going to end and freaking chaos,
like in my day to day life, like I have
one friend that's just super on it over this one
freaking topic, and I know if that topic comes up,
I'm like, it's gonna end it Like so I.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Mean towards you or you towards her, neither just in general. Yeah,
I don't want to do yet, Like I don't need
to get into it.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
I don't have that, I don't have.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
The energy for that, and you especially don't. Yeah, I
don't let me ask you with this. This is gonna
Is it hard to be both tough and tender as
a woman.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
I think that's a good question. I think yes.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
But I think for me, I am tough in some
ways and tender in others. But I there are some
situations that I want to be tender and I maybe
don't know how, I don't know how to express that,
so then.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I end up being too tough.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I agree. I think I do the same thing. And
I think it's like I don't know if it's emotional
regulation or learning when to like turn it on and
turn it off. But I think sometimes the tougher I've
had to be, especially the last few years, that the
tenderness just gets overran, you know, and then and then
it's harder to let down that, you know, defense, or
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let down that that part of your personality and really
be super soft, because when you.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Do that and then you get let down, it's the worst.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
It's the worst.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
It's the worst, and then you carry it around to
every other friendship and relationship you have.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Well, I do m what's healthy masculine energy to you?
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I guess for me, I mean I'm old school in
certain ways. Like I want you to open the door
for me too.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Yeah, Like I don't mind. I like, I don't want
you to.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Put me down or treat me that I'm less than,
but like I want you to take care I want
you to want to take care of me a little bit.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, I think like manners and stuff like that is
really kind. I like that. It shows that you know
your mother or whomever raised you gave you some you know.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I mean even last I with Cruise, like I you know,
I wasn't feeling one hundred percent. I'm like, hey, buddy,
can you go grab my pedia light and do this?
And he's like, do you want it in a cup
with ice or no? And I'm like, I think that
is a good tool to have.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Whenever we used to take my son out to dinner
and she was young coming up and obviously it's in
his thirties, but he used to always pull out my chair.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Yeah, you have to do this. I kind of forget
about the pulling out that I don't get that often.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Yeah, I mean just opening the door or something like that.
It's small, but it goes a long way.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Yeah. Also manners to me goes a long way.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Eats and like food is kind of closing your mouth
when you chew. And that's why I hate eating on
the show.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Well I know that's why you never order avocado toast.
It's the biggest mistake ever.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I just hate eating the show. And you get hungry
and you want to eat, but it's just like nobody
looks good eating.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
And there's certain things like little bites, like if it's
just if it's like a little this, then it's easy
you pop it in.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
But like when you have to and then it's in
the tea, it's too much.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I just remember that, like not wanting to so long.
It's just like nobody wants to be nobody looks good
when they eat on camera.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
No, well we didn't look good when we drank on camera?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Were you talking to.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
We nailed it?
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Oh my god, I was looking at what was it?
It was like some trip we were on and we
just looked haggard like as a group. I'm not talking
about individually, he looked I just saw this.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
It was it was like airing just on Bravo and
I like turned it on and I was like, why
do we look so know where we were? Yes, I know,
I know you were going to say that, well, because
I think that trip we weren't allowed to have glam,
which I never brought glam, but I would steal others GLAMs.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
That's fine, you want to look good on TV.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Like I think we got the memo we couldn't have
glam there, and so I think we all just looked
like a big bunch.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
No I had glammed it.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
But I'll tell you this, like there, of course she's
not going anybody, but here's the other not me, here's
the other thing too. Just sometimes where was it? This was?
I think before you joined it was like Mexico and
it was down that Kyle had rented this place. And
when I tell you, I looked like the biggest, sweatiest
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humidified mess, just grease all over.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I was like, oh my god, my favorite memory of
of you, and like a look was when we were
in the Bahamas and we all came down. It was
our most fun day when we all swam together. But
you had on like one of those like old school
body gloves. And then all of a sudden, we get
down and we go to walk across the like plank.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
I walked my heels and you had these big high
heels on and you just went shit shit.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
But I walked across and they didn't show it. But
that's okay.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
But it was one of my favorite moments. I mean,
while I'm lik in.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Flats well you know, and I had sandals, but I
was like, we already committed to this look, you know,
so which I think sometimes is like who cares? And
then I think, but you do care Erica, But I.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Think that this is something I know, you know, we
can give a little housewives right now. There are some
women that can really pull off doing a look. I
am not one of those women.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
But you, because it's not an interest in me, hold on.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
But you have your own style. This is what I
always say. Everyone has their own style. And that's why
people like different characters is because people resonate with different things.
Nobody has. It's not a group of clones. It's a
group of people, you know, identify with different women on
different things.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Right, But I don't love watching a housewife that comes
and tries to be in Erica Jane or be a
Dreek like then.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
It doesn't well, it just feels inauthentic and authentically like.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yes, there are moments that I tried to experiment with
red lipstick that I really regretted.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Do you really I do?
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Because I remember I didn't know that you weren't supposed
to put gloss gloss overad and then all of a
sudden we were like started filling, starts to slide. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
But yeah, but you know what, though, you got you
got your act together.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Well, hold on, we got to move back.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
This reminds me of toxic masculinity, your situation with Denise Richards.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Oh yeah, tell me about it.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
So what was the husband's name, Aaron that fought with us?
Speaker 1 (42:26):
He was one that I think had a little bit
of toxic masculinity. We kind of both got into an argument.
I'm sure you let bygones be by gones.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
We it was words. Yeah, I feel like the thing is,
I don't like it when the men get mixed up
in that.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Yeah. So that's kind of what it was.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
But the other day I was dying laughing because somebody
came up to me and they're like, have you tried
Eastern medicine? And I'm like, I haven't yet. I'm gonna
wait till you get and they're like, well, there's this guy.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Away and it was Denise's husband.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
It was Denise's husband, but they said, you have to
pay a ton of money up front, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
And I was like, well, I'm definitely not.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah, and he's not.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
But then I was reminded of you being on the
show that I just watched, and this is the one
thing that I want to talk about in regards to Denise.
And then we'll move on and we'll be done, and
then next week we'll talk about something else, and then
I'll get sidetracked, because that's what people with seven tumors do,
is that seven god tumor time.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Eric is like, when I signed on to do this pod,
you didn't have any tumors.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
We didn't know you did, but we found out and
we're making we're rolling right through it, so fuck theseus,
fuck these tumors.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
We get a little sidetracked, But how upset she.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Got over the threesome conversation, and then I watched how
she was on the show with her kids, and I
almost ship myself.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
I know, but this is something that we knew.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Well I know we knew, but now everybody knows, and
nobody's given us the credit.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
It We're never going to get it.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
I want some talks with positivity about Teddy.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Was right listen last week. I'm always right, whether it's today, tomorrow,
or five years and you were to yeah, and you
know it. Sometimes it's the truth, like something.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
You know.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I think people that watch the show, it's like, yeah,
we said this, Yeah, there was a reason we felt this.
There's a reason we felt this way. It wasn't just
coming out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
But you know, well in the show was saying Teddy
and Erica are always right ish at some point ish
right there.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Listen, there's always going to be a moment week ago.
They did call that out. Yeah, they did call that out.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
But only one person's going to remember, and they're not
the person that's going to write it everywhere.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
And that's only going to be you and me have
to go on here to remind everybody remember when we
telled you remember remember back in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
I'm sorry, I can't remember what day it is, but
I do remember what happened in twenty.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Sixteen because it gets at the port of John. You know,
I happen to be, because it gets burned into your
fucking memory because you're so mad about it. I know,
but I've gotten so mad at shit.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
That I knew.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
I was like, but you knew what's coming.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
It is not what happened, I know, But either way,
who cares.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
We're not We're a peaked in our growing or study.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Stay toxic, Stay toxic, guys, stay toxic, everybody, just stay toxic.
Working for us. I do have a friend and I
always text him, stay toxic with the little sparkles.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
Oh, toxic with a sparkle. That's smart.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Well, thanks guys for tuning in for another episode. Let
us know what you want us to talk about next week.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
You guys keep saying sex. We can't always talk about
sech I mean.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
I mean we can, but the bottom line is there's
only so much and then you know it's kind of
boring unless you guys are gonna come in here and
tell us, Yeah, unless.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
You're gonna oh, maybe we should. I feel like we're
due for a Q and A.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I like a Q and all we.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Get a Q and A listen, since we're always right.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Let's switch it from a Q and A to advice
to advice instead of like, what, dear, what is it?
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Dear John, dear Abby, it's not. Dear diamonds, dear dear
rough diamonds, rough dimonds.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Don't we stay toxic?
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Stay toxic?
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Oh my gosh, that should be next week. Sounds fun.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Thanks guys, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Bye bye,
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Teddi Mellencamp
Tamra Judge
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