For Richards or Poorer??

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Two teas in a pod with Teddy Mellencants and camera judge.
All right, so we are here to cheese in a pod.
It is supposed to be myself and Drew from Atlanta.
And last minute she called in an audible she called

(00:23):
in six So who did I text at four am? Kyle?
I'm here with Kyle Richards And I know that you
guys will not believe it, but we have not prepped
any of this today. They're they're not gonna believe it,
but I We're going in cold. I'm in pain, unhinged,
have zero memory, and have pretty much not left my

(00:46):
bed for the past three days. So which is very
unlike you, which is really leading into I think a
great pod exactly exactly. Um, well, yeah, do people realize
how early we wake up? It's really something's wrong with us.
We are up so early in the morning discussing. I mean,
the fact we are very invested in things that maybe

(01:08):
don't matter to most people, but we will go so
deep At four seven a I'm like, I'm like, did
you see this? But did you see? And so that's
how it continues on. But we have a little groups
of people that wake up very early too. So we
it's like, but I do. I don't apologize. I haven't
even been wordling the last couple of days. I haven't
slacking off on that word it's really annoying. It's because
I was doing well and ever since, you guys have

(01:33):
been winning when I lost my confidence. I don't want
to brag, but I did get you a water and
thank you. That's fine, Okay, okay, So we're gonna just
get right into it. Uh. Normally what we do is
we fully do a breakdown and of the episode, but
since you lived it, we're gonna start out with questions
and then we'll do a little breakdown. And also, I

(01:53):
have not seen these questions. That is my hand to god,
I've not seen it. I know you're going to be frightened,
but the first one's an easy one. I feel like
it's Were you surprised at all at the sofa seating
set up at the reunion? No? No, I wasn't, not
one bit. No. I don't know why I wasn't. Were
you surprised to see durat self Tanner on the couch afterwards?

(02:15):
By the way, that was she was just the only
one people saw. Everybody I think got self Tanner on
account and that's been happening since season one, um, Adrian Malouf,
I will never forget got the self Tanner Alli released
at Vanderpump Sofa and they still was like adan like
a big thing about it. That's been happening for years.

(02:36):
I always feel bad about that. Um. So yeah is
the only one called out. But I did text Dreet
this morning and I said, UM, speak now forever hold
your piece on your self Tanner, because I need to
understand why there was She probably didn't know what you're
talking about. I don't think you've been paying attention to it.
But what she did know what we were talking about
was there's been a post this morning that's happened now
on three different accounts. Did you see all I know

(02:57):
about this? What is it? Um? Lisa, Arenna, Diana and
Erica And they keep posting peaky blind What does that mean?
Because I've never seen the show? Well, dere says, I'm
obsessed with the show and I know it very well.
Peaky Blinders is a group that you don't want to
eff with. Oh okay, um, But she had no idea

(03:21):
what that meant. I haven't watched the show, so I
guess this is like, you don't mess with these three? Okay. Well, um,
which leads me to the next thing, which I may
have mentioned on the pod that I even hate to
say the term because then we get attacks so much,
but that the Foxes have not been corresponding since Bravo con.
Who are you still talking to you? I'm not you know,

(03:45):
that's a loaded question these days. Yeah, you know you're
an ask Um, I'm not not talking to anyone. You know.
Things are just different right now. Um, they've been away
for a while. I would say, I think you can
kind of connect the dots. Um. I've had to step

(04:08):
away from not only the show, watching that, but just
sort of engaging with anything kind of connected to that,
to the show because I was struggling. I was really struggling, um,
you know, with my anxiety, and I just knew it
was my best interest. I didn't see the episodes. I
don't even know how many I missed, um going into it.

(04:29):
I did see reunion three. I did not see I
don't know, maybe six episodes before the first reunion, and
I don't think I saw both reunions because we Kyle
came and stayed with me one of the nights that
I was recovering from my recent surgeries, and we watched
the reunion together, and your face during some of the
things that I had seen a thousand times already and

(04:50):
had to recap you like, what when did this happen? Who? Well? Yeah,
but right now I'm in a better place. So but
I mean I was at a place and mentally that
I wouldn't have been able to um deal with some
of those things. It's just easier for me. UM. I mean,
I have so many questions. You know, I never I
never look at my dams from the people that I
don't follow, you know that, Yeah, I do. I love

(05:11):
the plus night plus Monday nights. I mean, I probably
have a handful of time since I've had Instagram, and
it's never been I mean, there's a lot of great,
nice messages and of course a ton of support, but
there's also a lot of like not nice messages. So
I'm like, why would I even look at this? Um?
But there's so many questions about why I didn't say
certain things and why didn't speak up about certain things.
I'm just jumping right now about that because I mean

(05:35):
I'll dig into that. I'll dig into the but if
you want to give it right off the if you
want to, if you want to blow our load right,
that's fine, that's fine. I don't worry you, guys. I
didn't get all the USA. Um people have been tweeting
me and saying that the only reason that you're mad
at Crystal, but you had issues with Crystal was because

(05:55):
she replaced me on the show. Oh my god, okay,
I know, can you explain what your real issue is
with her? So? I actually like Crystal. I mean, it's
what's weird about the show, and you know, um, when
we're not shooting, I like Crystal, and I didn't like
that she created something that could have put Sutton's reputation

(06:17):
at risk. And you know that really bothered me. You know,
I felt like last year she did that too, with
saying that you know, she felt um violated with Sudden
bringing the jacket to her room, and you know, I
don't know, you know, we shouldn't, none of us should
judge each other until we walk in each other's shoes.
But when you say she's also new to this, and
you know, when you say something like that on camera,

(06:38):
you know Sutton was really stressed about that, and you
know then it was the race thing this year about
saying that she said something really dark, and she was
very clear that there was something, and she told all
of this that you know, and even Andy said we
all thought that, and then she said there actually wasn't something.
So I take issue with that. Um, you know, I

(06:59):
don't know how it always comes out. You know, I've
seen a lot of messages saying, you know, I have
to respect you know, UM, you know that I don't
understand you know, Um, someone of color may feel differently
about something, and I do. I do understand that, and
I respect that. UM. I was just saying, like, you know,
you're putting things out there on camera that could really
hurt people's reputations. That was my point, Um, I don't

(07:20):
know that. Do you believe do you believe that their
relationship is actually authentic? Or I mean I've been getting
messages from you know, other people that we know, like no, listen,
Like this was a conversation that Crystal and Sutton had
and they made a decision together. What was weird to
Sutton never spoke up a union because I was like,
we're all here saying why did you do that to her?

(07:42):
And I just feel like Sutton honestly, like I said,
in the season, she didn't want to even address it.
She didn't want to talk about it. She wants it
to go away. So I think that's why she was quiet.
I think that they're nice and the piece. I think
that Sutton is probably gonna be cautious with her moving forward.
That's my my my take on it. Um. But you know,
I think they're the friendly and get along. I mean,
I feel that Garcel and Sutton's relationship is a lot

(08:05):
more genuine and Crystals just I mean because Crystals also
having a you know, getting pretty close with Cathy type
situation as well. Are you thinking she's just going in
where she can to feel most comfortable or I think
she's been you know, I think she I think that
she hasn't felt like she fit in, you know, since

(08:28):
kind of the beginning, and um, you know, trying to
find her place. Maybe. But like I said, I do
like Crystal. I do. I mean, you know, I've only
only arguments have had is when she has said something
and I didn't understand and that I felt like it
was going to hurt somebody's reputation. And these days have
to be so cautious because everybody gets canceled, like you
don't just throw that out there and then you know,

(08:48):
have me, you know that you created something so that.
That's what was so confusing to me was how quiet
Sutton was about it, Like if somebody had implied that
about you or me, you know, like we're gonna either
say our apologies or we're gonna stand our ground on
what it is that we said and how we didn't
and none of that happened with them. She really looked

(09:08):
like away, She's like, I just want this to go away,
and then she was like looking to garselves like and
also you make this go away too for me, like,
let's I didn't catch that, but yeah, I was too
busy stressing about my other problems, other problems well, speaking
of you know, tweeting up a storm and things happening,
Denise and Camille have made their rounds so far. Um,

(09:29):
have either of them reached out to you to get together? Um?
I bumped into Denise recently if at our like little
neighborhood place that we always go to, and she was
very nice, and then she we later texted and she
said that we could get lunch and you know, um, Camille. No,
not since not since the Brides made no sense. You know,

(09:52):
we go back and forth like I never really understand.
You know, I don't even like to poke the bear
with that one because she's very unpredictable all and um anyway, yeah, no,
I haven't. You know, I wish for well, you know,
I mean I still follow her on Instagram. I just
you know, she'll like make fun of Lisavanner Pump and

(10:14):
then be friendly Savanna Pump and then she kind of
goes back and forth like so. But um, when we're together.
When we're together, we're usually getting along. I'm just having fun. Uh,
We're back and laugh about you know, you know, other people,
the stuff on the show. No stuff on the show.
By the way, I got nervous when she did it.

(10:34):
I don't like that. I don't like the making fun
of people like that. You know, I didn't know even
when they doubled down on Lisa vander Pump like, I
didn't like that either. It made me very uncomfortable. And
you know, I know that Erica was mad because Vanda
Pumpa made that comment about the Scratch and Sniff book.
That's why she you know, she probably sent her scratch
and sniff. But I didn't like that. I don't think

(10:55):
that's nice. You know. Well, speaking of Erica, what are
your thoughts about the Deret and PK being the next
couple to break up? I mean, we were both, we
were were to gather, we were at dinner or line
for whatever it was at the time. That so shocked
and honestly, I mean, I don't know why she did that, because, um,

(11:18):
I think I know Pek Injury better than anybody in
the group, and you do, Um, you know, they're really
loving and supportive couple. They're a beautiful family. We travel
with them, and I just don't know why I throws
something like that out there. And she later said she
was joking, but like jokes are supposed to be funny, Yeah,
But also the way that she kind of walked up
to the end of the stage put her feet down, Like, yeah,

(11:43):
that's the part I didn't understand. Like, if if you
wanted to make a joke about what couple is gonna
bring up, then maybe say Renna and Harry because they're
your best friends, and be like, of course they're not,
you know, like or Eric and Tomba or aren't like
one of the under other hundred and forty seven people
at Bravocon that you could have been from that you
that's so cool. Either, I don't like those kind of questions.

(12:03):
I don't like those kind of mean, shady questions, and
I don't I just I thought that was really unnecessary.
And we know how. I mean, I know from experience,
these things follow you no matter what. People she could
say I was joking, but then for a while and
then people are gonna say the next couple for sure.
The next thing you know, people are saying, oh, I've
heard her having problems. It's like on and I mean,
and I do know that, you know from from conversations

(12:26):
I've had with Chirmer and other people. When you're on
those that stage, sometimes you get that heightened like fuel
to say more than you would ever really want to say,
and then you're like, oh gosh, why did I go there?
So there there might be that point to Erica, but
she's not normally that one to be. Then oh you
know what your friends right, That's what was weird, Like
they haven't had zero issues together, well, um, with each other,

(12:49):
but um, you know, I mean even when Garcels had
the comment, I'm closer to Kathy and Kyle is she
sent me a text and apologize, but then she did
it again. I know I didn't hear I didn't hear it,
but I heard about it. But she said, you know,
sometimes you watch it and not we get caught up.
It happens to all of us, and you know what, whatever,
it's fine. You know, I move on. Well, Kathy insinuated

(13:11):
that she would only return if Erica and Renna do
not right, what if you were to, if you were
to guess, what do you think is going to happen
in this scenario? I know obviously, well, I mean, I
don't know who's coming back and who is not. I
do know that anytime I cast member has said I
don't want to be the show of so and so
and was on or you know, that's that's that doesn't work.

(13:35):
That doesn't happen. So um. You know, maybe she doesn't
realize that, but that doesn't work. By the way, the
more you don't want someone on, the more they're gonna
want them on. So um, that just doesn't fly. You know,
problem makes up their own decisions, and then um, I'm
gonna have to ask Diana has the one and done right,

(13:55):
I don't know. I have no idea because now these
peaky blinders are really they're throwing me for a loop
because now she's showing up again. I'm like, oh, but
they've been friends. They went like I think Erica, and
when I didn't, they were posting pictures all in Hawaii together.
They were all on Hawaii together. But then you didn't
weren't at the reunion because you were six, But then
you had glam. Well yeah, but if you're doing the reunion,

(14:16):
you're gonna have glam even if you're sick. Right, what
you're what? You've never shown up to work sick in
some capacity? What do you know? She was very very sick,
like long infection like, she was very very sick, very
very stick Honestly she was. I mean I asked people
behind the scenes, and she really was genuinely very sick. Um.

(14:36):
But she just didn't have COVID. I actually don't know
she did. I think she'd had it and then she
had a lasting infection or something like that. Her baby
had it too. Oh my gosh, that's sad. So I
I asked the question to, you know, the behind the
scenes people, and that's what I was told. Um, all right,
So now we'll get We're gonna take a little break
and then we're gonna come back and do a little
bit of this episode breakdown and get to some of

(14:57):
the more questions. You're not I just want to, alright,
so we are back. It starts out with viewer saying
Sutton's cats sweater and talking about her neuropathy is icon behavior.

(15:21):
Um Like, at this point, I think Sutton's hired her
own box, Like she's so funny because I told her that.
But I'm like, why would you talk about the Neuropais
I have neuropathy? Kyle? And I see I know that
about her though. You Hey, you know, if you're gonna
put it all out there, you know, then you're gonna
find the person that's right for you. They don't like it.
That's what she is, so take it or leave it. Um.

(15:42):
So then there was that, and then Erica said that
she had sex the night before the reunion, that she
has a roster of guys. Um then continues on that,
like it's nice to at least have a guy that
can stay hard it really, why does that sound make
me feel so uncomfortable? I don't know. We were both
like watching this, I was like, you could not pay

(16:05):
me any to say that. I just get so like,
I don't know, I don't know. Um. But also for
the record, we have not met any of the guys
that I have said publicly on the pod. Next season,
I do want to see who she's dating. I want
to move past all of this other stuff. I want
to stop the employees very mysterious. Yeah, like I don't
want I don't want the mystery. I want to actually

(16:27):
get into it. Who are you dating? What's your type?
If it's not she said, you know, in the beginning
of the season, when things are like better with everybody. Um,
she said that there was somebody and that I don't
know if it was somebody who was like I had
want an Oscar, it was a director or something, but
that they wouldn't say any names. I don't know if
that's still the same person or not, but there was

(16:49):
back when we did our original pot it was the roster.
So can't anybody serious because if you're serious, then you
don't have a roster. You don't if you're yeah, you
don't unless they like that you have a roster. I
mean that's hard. Sorry, you're one your number seven buddy um.
But then one of the listener questions was have we

(17:09):
heard Erica talk about sex so much of Tom? But
I feel like I've always known Erica to talk about sex,
whether it's not about sex with Tom. But remember even
when we were staying in Santa Barbara and she would
talk about like porn, like she would have those types
of on camera. These were of a conversation, but you
wouldn't talk about sex with Tom. One time. I can
recall when Eileen asked for something and she said, my

(17:32):
husband seventy six at the time, right, And then they
asked him at least asked him about made me to viagra,
and she was like, no, he doesn't. I never believe.
I never believed that, But I loved that by the
way that the reaction they have my face like every time,
your reactions are one of my favorite, cause it's like
you're either like or like the most dramatic that cannot

(17:57):
with life. So that's you, no matter what. There's some
actions from the union and I'm like, oh my god,
I think I forgot we were. You taking your earring
off in the middle of the reunion and adjusting it
really put me in I didn't think we were by
the way, I don't think we were filming When someone
went to go to the bathroom. I think we were
on a break. In another if you saw Crystal was
like meaning behind the sofa getting a drink, like we

(18:18):
we thought we were on a break. I forgot. I
think thereat went to the bathroom or something, or we
had just come back from wreak. I was only telling Andy.
I didn't think they were filming that for the show.
I thought the cameras were like off. Sometimes we get
caught in these things. Guys, so other than you know
yours truly, Who do you think that Andy's favorite from
over the Hills? By just the way he speaks to people,

(18:39):
I don't know. I mean, you matched him this year.
I matched him. You didn't realize that you guys are
in the same color outfit, Teddy. I don't think I
realized a lot of things at the reunion. Um No,
I didn't. Um, I will say this, I don't know
who Andy's favorite. It. I mean, I've been in the
longest and I know he's very nice to me and
I care about him, And um, she's playing with wires,

(19:02):
by the way, which means she doesn't want to. Well,
I don't know because he's never said. I will say that.
Once he was asked at a live show he was doing,
if he had married one of the housewives, who would
it be? And he said me, and I was like,
that's a big compliment, but I will have to say that.
You know. Um, at the reunion, you know, at the end,
I felt really strange, and I felt like, why wouldn't

(19:24):
people kind of like speaking up more? And I was
feeling I mean, as you saw, I just wanted to leaving,
get out of there. When Andy hugged me, it actually
really meant a lot to me. And you could tell
he really meant it, and I really cared, and um,
I really I really appreciated that. What do you think that?
Doug said in response. So, so you guys know, Doug

(19:46):
is one of the long time producers of the beginning
from the very beginning. Everybody loves Doug. He's like the
nicest kind of He started Evolution, the production company. Um,
and that does OC and Beverly Hills. So and you
see Andy, and you know, I know I'm going forward,
but you see Andy say to him, what do we do?
Kyle's a mess? And he gets his response in his earbuds.

(20:08):
I thought that from Doug, But what was the response,
because then you had to stay there. Well, I thought
that they just weren't gonna up film me, and then
they were just gonna talk to other girls because they
didn't respond to me and I couldn't talk. And then
when Andy asked me the question if he thinks I
could repair things with Kathy, I mean I didn't. I
thought you couldn't even hear it. I just said I
hope some of those I thought it was done, but
apparently they kept filming and we kept we kept going. UM. Well,

(20:32):
before we get to you and Kathy, we still need
to get through UM. Garcelle starts talking about um, Eric
is drinking and not realizing how bad it was, and
then a lot of what I've seen online is Dered's
response when she says I felt like I was stabbed
in the stomach. Um, and she goes into this whole
big thing, and then Garcella was like, what were you

(20:54):
having an out of body experience then, because in the moment,
all you said was he was trying to get flowers
to your mommy, right right? Well, okay, so when I
saw that because once again, I never saw Erica yell
at Jack's. I didn't see that and I was told
about it, um, And I never should have commented on
something I hadn't seen. But I think she was just

(21:15):
I don't know, I mean, I can't see for other people.
I think she was just trying to keep her like
calm because she was like singing like she was a
little out of control. Erica obviously right, But I can
tell you when we got the episode, you know, dry
and I spoke and she's like, Kyle, I'm I'm mortified,
like that was terrible. Like when we're sitting there talking
about it, I said, that's how I feel. I didn't
see it. Why the hell was I talking about and
I hadn't even seen And you know, my my husband,

(21:36):
I mean, he always makes it dumb. I always always
the worst, the worst jokes, and he doesn't like think
about it and later he's like, oh my god. So
I talked about this at UM, like in between breaks
with Carcel at the reunion, because this is such a
typical thing that happened. So Um, I got the episode

(21:58):
when I was in London doing press for the the show,
and I was so upset I was mortified because you know,
obviously being a mom comes first to me more than anything.
And then to see the way, you know, Erica spoke
to Jackson how it came out. I was talking about it. Horrible, horrible, horrible.
So I addressed it in an interview that I was
doing in the morning in London, and I said, I

(22:19):
really want to talk to Carsel, but it was literally
one am at the time in l A, so I
couldn't call Carseller or anything. So she heard about this
interview and so you know, well, then why didn't you
text me? You just you know you you said you
wanted to reach out to me, you didn't. I said, no,
that interview was well in the morning. I had just
seen it. That's why I couldn't call you or anything.
So I explained that to her, and you know, I

(22:41):
just hope she knew that was genuine, because my god,
did you hear a story and you're like, oh my god,
can you you know when you're not supposed to laugh
like in church and it's a bad thing, like, oh
my god, I kept it that happened, But then when
you actually see it, yea terrible And then we get
on to the point of Erica starts making analogies with
the plane. Oh my god, oh any other analogy, with

(23:03):
any other analogy. I don't know what that is. I
don't understand when she when she said that, I was like,
why that analogy? Now, honestly, pick from there's thousands of analogies.
Let's pick from any other and normally she kind of
The funny thing is that in the moment, I think
I was so distracted thinking about the stuff with my sister.
I didn't even catch that in the moment. Watching it back,

(23:23):
and when I saw the episode, I was like, what
I think. I was like just kind of checked out
for a lot of to me. But you are seeing
a lot of Sutton and Erica having more of like
a relationship. You can see Sutton says something along the
line she just unfollowed. Hold on who, Sutton just unfollowed who?

(23:44):
And who? Oh yeah, because there heard that. Oh yeah,
there's these two. Um look at me. This is I mean,
I already got myself in trouble talking about this on
the show this season. Let's see Sutton. Okay, let's see
does she follow them? Okay, Okay, I don't have you
can check. I don't have a good A. Wow, you
guys text us and let us know. But um, or

(24:06):
send me a little message right here, please, Tara. But
also something on here was that Renna was posting. Now
of course it's gone, but Renault was posting certain things,
and Sutton said, like enough, I'm done. Oh yeah yeah,
So that might have been when the I'm following started

(24:27):
to I think that's when it started. Um, but I
I almost feel like that could be more based towards
the Diana stuff with Garcel. I have no idea because
I forgot what it was, but I just saw that. Um,
but I can ask her tomorrow. We're supposed to have
lunch tomorrow. Oh you and Sutton, Oh, Sutton does not
follow Erica? Does she follow Renna? And what about Garcel

(24:53):
and disc ourself follow me? Uh? Sutton does not follow Renna?
Did girl still ever do your podcast? No? So she
came late to she came way to Bravo con and
she that was supposedly why I shouldn't come, But no,
who did do it was? Um sunt oh so Sunner

(25:16):
and sounds like you know I do lack you we
just have issues with communication. I'm like, you're right, we do. Um, yes,
follows Kyle, garcel does Garcela follows me In a shocking
turn of event, who does Okay, Son doesn't follow Erica RIGHTA.

(25:38):
So there's a theme here. Okay, now we're getting down.
We're getting down to more more pressing things, which is
why the repetition sometimes on Beverly Hill. So remember the
scene between Diana and Sutton when um, they say the
same thing but it was funny. Yeah, but it happened
again here with Erica and the earrings, like, yeah, we're

(26:01):
on appeal for legal reasons. Well that was her way
of saying, I'm not answering your question, We're a deil
for legal reasons, for legal reasons. And then she pulls
up her boat and then Andy's like chasing Eric on
a hamster, where he's like, yes, we cover that. She's
like and we're on appeal for legal reasons. I'm like,
what is Yeah, she's yeah, that was pretty funny, and

(26:22):
he was like okay, okay um, and then he goes,
would anybody you know keep want to keep these rings?
And everyone's like no, definitely not. Dreads like double down,
never know as if anyone in the right mind would
be like me, maybe I would keep the earrings. I
don't know, I mean it's I mean, no, that was
I don't think anybody there wanted to keep those areas.

(26:45):
And then we're gonna take a little break and we're
gonna come back and we're going to discuss the bad
stuff is coming. Now we've been laughing, but now we're
going to get to the harder stuff because your sister arrives.
Good times Okay, So we're back, and it's immediately for me,

(27:12):
at least, I'm trying to be You know, your sister
came up to me at Bravo Con. She did not
do the podcast, but she immediately came up to me
and put her hand on my shoulder and said, I'm
so sorry for what you're going through with your cancer stuff.
You know, like I just want to know let you
know that I'm thinking about you. And I said, listen,
I would love for you to come on the pod

(27:33):
and talk to me because I know that things between
you and one of my very best friends aren't and
I just want you to know that my number one goal,
even though you know I talked crap for a living,
is that you guys are okay. Because I love I
love Kyle so much, and she was about ready to
say yes, and then her publicists looked at me and said, no,

(27:54):
she needs to eat a burger. And then she sat
right next to where what so then she sat right
next to where my podcast table was an aide. Oh
my god. So but she was very kind to me
in the momentum. But as your friend, it was really
hard to watch this episode, you know, because so let's

(28:16):
talk about from the very beginning when she walks in
and we get into the conversation about Chemo sabi, and
something that I immediately got irritated by was that she
assumed that you were going to set something up for her,
and I didn't hear you say anything back, Like, how
would I have known I was setting something up for

(28:38):
your tequila? Like what? Okay, well, I actually not. Everything
gets used in the reunion, as you know. But let
me just clarify. So, my my sister um had said
to me right before asking because she was bringing the
tequila on camera throughout the season, but I didn't. She
never mentioned the tequila to me until I didn't really know.
I wasn't. You're filming, there's cameras, you're doing stuff, You're

(28:59):
not you know sometimes I see people walking with a
champagne bottle or a candle. You're not really a host
this skip whatever. I wasn't really thinking about it. And
then before Aspen, she said, you know, we invested in
this tequila company. Do you care if I bring it
to Aspen? And I said, not at all. Send it
to my house and I'll like, you know, we'll make
drinks of that, I'll put it out whatever. And that's
exactly what we did. We have a million bottles at

(29:20):
my house in Aspen. And so then you know, that
was it. So when she said at the you know,
I had planned the Chemosabi shopping event months in advance.
I've been trying to do this Aspen trip with production
for a long time. You know we booked Chemosabi that
private room. Yeah yeah, yeah. Uh So after you know,
we had the tequila at my house. That was that.

(29:41):
So at the Chemosabi event, I didn't even know the
tequila was there. I didn't even know it was on
the bar. I knew nothing. So when she said at
the reunion, I thought it was going to be an
event for me my tequila, I was like, so there
was there was no nothing, zero zero zilt nothing nothing.
So I I literally was speechless because I was like,

(30:02):
why would you think the shopping event that was, you know,
that would be a thing for your tequila? Like it
didn't make any sense. And by the way, if she
had said to me, I'm gonna, you know, can we
do something with my tequila at the event, I would
have been happy to do that. Of course he was
happy to do that, but it was never said to me.
I didn't know it was there. And then, um, you
know in the scene she says Kyle did nothing to

(30:25):
stop Brenna. If you look back at that scene, if
you guys have recorded this and you can go back,
when Renna is ordering the tequila, I'm literally I didn't
even hear her. I was tying my dog's lesia so
she wouldn't run around Kimo Sabi. I was like, bending down.
I didn't know any of this. I didn't even hear
or know that. Yeah, so I was like when I
saw that, you know, I was like, how does she

(30:46):
expect me to to know this? Or and then once
even if she had said to me, by the way,
she just went, you know what am I supposed to do?
Go over and say, uh, you don't do that. Take
that back, like I didn't know what to do. Although
also it's all over the internet. But that eight when
it was brought in through like a rush, sure it
was not the case. That for sure is not the case.

(31:08):
I don't you know. Um yeah, that was not brought
in to make a problem. It was you know, we
go there a lot, as you know, and they have
lots of tequila, is there? Um I think and by
the way, a lot of people like that tequila, that
Cathy's tequila. I did a test and believe me, I'm
not I went in blindfolded and that was my favorite tequila. Yeah,

(31:29):
it's amazing. It's a really good tequila. Um. But I
think what what I was confused by in that moment
when you're watching and seen she is mad at Rehnna.
She and even brings it up. She's mocking Renna ordering
the eight eight tequila. But then at the reunion it
becomes your fault. Yeah, that's what I was upset about
because that's a pattern. So you feel like you're consistent,

(31:53):
like I mean, I feel like I can do no right. Yeah,
it is the problem, and um, you know, there's a
lot of history there and it's really hard, you know.
And sometimes I'm quiet because it's easier for me in
my life not to address these things, because I don't
want to make things more complicated for me my family.
Um So, if you wonder why sometimes I'm not speaking up,

(32:14):
it's because what I'm going to say or what I
could say, will make things more complicated for me. So
I'd rather just uh, basically, put my hands behind my
back and take it on the chin, on the chin,
and deal with it because it's not worth it for me,
Which is why Is that the same reason why you
said to Rna, I don't want to know all the
details about what she said. I knew enough and I

(32:36):
didn't want to know anymore. I knew there was more
and I didn't want to know anymore. And Kathy had said,
you know, I said really bad things and I should
not have and I just didn't want to. I didn't
want to know anymore. I didn't, you know, And women,
I never settle the things at the reunion. She didn't say.
Um so she did protect Cathy and some capacity. She

(32:57):
did not say all the things of the reunion. I'm
gonna be like Erica right now. She didn't not saying,
you guys, you like I'm going to say the same thing. Um,
so yeah she um, she did not say all all
the things uh and um yeah, so you know that.
I just I didn't understand why I was getting blamed

(33:17):
for that, because I mean, she was clearly upset with
Marenna at the event at Chimo Sabi, but then it
became about me, and I just it was just so
crazy to me. I was the hostess, say, and then
also she became upset with you at the club, even
though that also wasn't you hear the story and you
understand that is something that if you're used to getting

(33:38):
a certain level of attention and you don't get it,
then that may set somebody off. And I've seen that
happen millions of times with with women in Beverly Hills
that everybody knows who they are, and so you can
see that happening. But then all of a sudden, coming
back to you again, your problem. Well once again, it
was the way she spoke to me, you know, um,

(34:01):
and everyone saw that, but nobody spoke up at the reunion.
Why did nobody speak up about that? I don't know,
I don't I think I don't want to deal with it.
But everyone saw well Diana said, you know, and I
think her interview, she said, you know certain things, but um,
what people don't realize is that, you know, we had,
you know, given our coats to the coach check, and

(34:22):
we had a security person with us who took all
the tickets to our coach check to her for our coats.
And then he left to go get the rest of
people that we had invited to join us, which was
like a block away. So he had the non housewives
non housewives, okay, so he had the tickets to our
coats in his pocket. He left, he said, I'm going
to get your guests. I'll be back. He was going

(34:42):
to walk down the block walk him into the club
because it's a private club. Um, and we hadn't even sat.
Diana just gave a credit card. And then Kathy came up.
And you know, I said, when I said the reunion,
how how she spoke to me and what she said
about we're leaving right now, And you know, I think
when you're the youngest to like sometimes i'm spoken to,
I'm still like a little girl, like a baby, and um,

(35:03):
it just was very disrespectful and and I take it
so scared to talk because I feel like that's the headline,
like my sister is disrespectful or if I say she
was being mean hathy, So I get scared even speak.
This is why I never do these things that because
you're Maya, but I mean iriend I am. But that's
what happened. And I was like, you can't talk to
me like that. You're not going to talk to me
like that, scream me like this in front of my

(35:25):
friends and think I'm going to drop everything I have
guests coming because you're not getting your way, you know.
And that was It was plain and simple, and I
think this also happens a lot in bigger families and
and it's not talked about as I mean, I'll just
talk to you about my family situation, you know. Um
it was maybe two Christmases ago. I'm on a group

(35:46):
chat with all my siblings. There's five of us, and
they'll kind of always ask me to be the the
ringleader of the ones that will like to talk to
my dad about something. And I said something and it
piste my dad off me detly, like I could almost
cry just talking about right now, Like immediately he reamed
me out so badly and told me that he was

(36:07):
canceling Christmas on all of the siblings because of me,
And none of the siblings said, like, actually, we all
called Teddy. We all came to this agreement together. They
left hanging. They left me hanging. And you know, it
is a common thing to have these dynamics inside of
your families, especially once your parents, Like I can't even

(36:28):
imagine what your parents have passed away. We didn't have
these problems in my mom. Yeah, like that, it's a difference,
and and not to be able to to resolve them.
And and I mean, I remember I called you crying.
I'm like, what do I do? Do I write a letter?
I feel like all my siblings are mad at me now.
And when you feel like you're in that place, you
have two options. You neither choose the way that I

(36:50):
feel like maybe Erica handles thing, which is through anger
and through showing like zero empathy, or the way that
we saw Kyle handle it at the reunion, which is
through tears and through sadness and through like well the
problem is okay. So a couple of things, like like
I should say a lot of people have said, like
the main thing I hear is, why didn't you defend
your sister when you are hurt by somebody? Like you know,

(37:14):
it's not always so cut and dry. You know, I'm
not subscribing to the idea that you stick with family
no matter what, because sometimes when you're treated really poorly,
you have to take a step back, regardless of regardless
of whether you know it's blood or not. And you know, um,
you have to have boundaries. And if you don't know

(37:35):
the whole story, you can't know why I wasn't jumping
in and defending, you know, not defending. So you know,
there's a lot of people messaged me saying, I understand
this dynamic. I understand it sometimes with family, even even
though it's your blood. You know, um, you don't. It's
not no matter what blood, you get to chick me
however you want, because we're blood. And I'm gonna have

(37:55):
to take that because we're blood. I'm gonna stick by
you no matter what, because we're blood. You know, I
if you're mistreated or mistreated, and um, and I you
know that's how I feel. And I was just at
that point, you know, really really upset, and you know,
you know, hearing the things that was hearing and obviously
defensive of you know, my family might meaning my husband

(38:17):
and my children, and you know I didn't. I didn't
want to, but I just didn't want to. I was like,
why would I when I'm hearing this and she's saying
I I did, And you know, I was happy that
she apologized. I accepted it. You know, I'll be it
was always on camera. I was like, okay, Um, I
think some people thought I asked her on cameracause people

(38:38):
like why, because she kept saying you wanted on camera.
I didn't know she wanted to. Okay, I mean, yeah,
you have to clear that up. Yeah, I mean, but
by the way, another thing quickly is that you know,
Kathy said at the reunion, you made me apologize Torenna,
And then they flashed back to me saying, she's coming
if you want to, and she said, I want to.

(38:58):
I want to apologize to her. Um, So I was like,
there again. Then I was blame for her apologizing to
Renna because it didn't go the way she wanted. But
if it had gone the way she wanted, you know,
but I think something else we have to point out,
which yes, you are in a tricky situation because you
are the only housewife that has a sibling on and
has had multiple siblings on this show, which yes, you

(39:22):
can get a lot of heap for because things haven't
always gone right, but you're not forcing your siblings to
join the show. You have to know that when going
on a reality television show, you have zero Whoever goes
on has zero control of what is going to play.
By the way, just to be clear too, when I,
you know, suggested my sister Kim for the Housewives, I

(39:43):
was already signed on to do the show, I had
only good intentions, you know. Um, I wanted her to
have you know, working I wanted I thought I was
gonna help her, you know, stand the right track. I
thought it'd be great for us and be fun, you know.
I mean, I had high hopes. And by the way,
we did have a lot of fun too, and him
and I are are great right now. Um. And then

(40:05):
with Kathy too, you know, um, I wanted her on
the show to have fun with her. And you know,
a lot of people said to me, do you think
that's a good idea, you know, because of the history,
and you know, and I said, you know, a really
good place and I really don't see us going down
that path again. Um, I only had good intentions. I
only want her to come on to have fun with
me and to laugh and to bond. Um. I had

(40:27):
no idea what's gonna happen, and Aspen I, I couldn't
have predicted that. The problem with reality television is the
truth always comes out one way or the other regardless.
If I wanted to go on a show and pretend
that I was always easy going, it would be impossible
that that's not who I am. But see, it's also
not just happened there, it's what's happened since then. Because
I could have got the apology, I could have been

(40:48):
good and done with. But then it starts people taking
to social media and clips and then um and it's like, oh, okay,
but you know, like people getting upset didn't jump in
and you know say something like Renna, how dare you
you know, call out my sister or whatever. But you know,
I have blood family like liking mean tweets about me. Yeah,

(41:10):
I mean she liking tweets saying that I should be
fired of the show I've been on for twelve years.
I brought my sister and to have fun with her.
I'm like, what what is this? Why is there this
double standard? So you know that's not I don't think
people are I mean. And Kathy also liked the tweet,
and I hate I'm sorry, but like she liked the tweet.
Why would Kyle let Renna do this? Understand one thing,

(41:33):
she has not let them do it. She is behind
them doing it. It's how she operated all along. People
still are saying it. Renna attempts to destroy her acquaintances.
Kyle does the same to her own family and friends.
She will do anything for money and social status, whether
it's laughing at fourteen year old black boy getting really
abused and cheering it on with her husband, or destroying
her sister Kim at her most vulnerable. There is nothing

(41:55):
too low for contratards. And this is liked by Kathy.
This is where I will have my issues and continue
to speak about this because I don't care how upset
I am at one of my family members. I would
never do. I would never do. So I'm going to
tell you about that. When I first saw that, I said,
I thought she tweeted that, and I said someone must
have packed her. She would never do that. She would
never do that. Um, I sent it to her and

(42:18):
she said I liked that by accident, just like she
didn't actually get Lisa Reyna's text. But the ma Andy
pulled up with the reunion, Well, I'm just telling you
she said she did. She said she had liked it
by accident. Um. You know even Kim will tell you.
You know that being on the Housewives helped her. And
you know I'm not going to go back in time.

(42:39):
You cannot understand family dynamics. You can think you do
because you've watched the show. You have no idea what
happens behind closed doors. You have no idea the history.
I am not about to come and explain the history
to everybody to make my life more complicated. So if
I have to have people hate me for thinking a
certain thing, um, I'll take it. I'd rather have people

(43:00):
that don't know me think I'm an asshole to deal
with more problems with my own blood. By speaking up. Hey,
you know, you know I will have my husband to
say why didn't you speak up and say this? Because
it will make it worse. It could be one month
of not talking or ten years. So what's better for me? Yeah, Well,
stepping away from Kathy and looking at the I mean,

(43:23):
how many other women for seven other women, Yeah, that
were on those couches when they were seeing you struggling.
When they were seeing you, nobody was really saying anything.
I think that comes with that is when um and
this is where this is what I have an issue
with because I've been on the show so long and
I see things that maybe other people don't see. But

(43:46):
when someone on the show is liked, people don't like
to go up against them. So I mean used to
see that a lot with Lisa vander Pump or you know,
they're like, you know people do with me of a
with emia, Like they don't want to think, they don't
want to fight with me because it's going to create
an issue or something. Not always I think that all
of them were like, well, if we say Kathy did
this or was you know, not nice to Kyle, then

(44:07):
people are gonna hate us because they like her and
people are mad at Kyle right now. So I saw,
I see through all that. So it's just pandering through Twitter.
So for you, it's easier to just remove yourself from
seeing any I don't look at Twitter. I I don't
follow uh hashtag r H O B H or my name.
I don't have a Google alert. I am right now

(44:27):
protecting my mental health. And for people to think they
know about me or they know the situation and they're
mad at me. Hey, I mean, like my husband always says,
and my family says, you know, we know the truth,
and you know who you are, and and and I'm
just gonna say this for Kyle and you guys can
always People won't even get mad that we're close because

(44:48):
they'll say, like, you know, Kyle's you know friends are teddy,
that nat or whatever it is that they want to
call me from week to week. But I want to
tell you that when things go down with me or
any of our other friends so are either on or
off the show, you are the first person that's ever there.
So I don't like when people put out there that

(45:09):
you are not always leading with your heart and the
most kind and the most like the fact that you know,
we talked about how what a hard asked my dad is,
but the fact that he called me, you know, after
my surgery and says, you know how much it means
to me that you have Kyle there with you tonight,
that she's helping you, That she's doing that, Like you
have a family away from your family, and that is

(45:29):
so important and so I just that is one of
those things. And you're a family that we go up
to your house and your relationship with your kids and
your girls and the way that you guys bring people
into your home and make them feel loved. Not everyone
can do that and that's not an act. Well thank you, um,
and you know, I mean it's weird because on the show,
like you know, of course you do know us after

(45:51):
all these years, but you know also what they let
you see. And I remember I was asked at Brovocn,
like what is something we don't know about like three?
And you know you see pieces of us, But what
people don't know about like three is you know she's
really sweet girl. You know if you're sick, she will
little bit like I'll bring you soup. You know. You
know she's that kind of a person. And you I mean,

(46:13):
like you're the most genuine, down to earth I mean,
like raw, Like that's why we bonded immediately when you
first came on the show. Um, this zero bullshit or pretense.
I think on the show you held back a lot.
I'm a different person now. I feel that's the thing.
It's like I used to say, like, you don't know
Teddy the way I know Teddy, because you started telling me,
don't be rev ted be like be yourself. You came

(46:36):
in like I have a mission. I have to say this,
I have to do this because I have to make
a point about and you were very like instead of
just like it was new to you too, it was new.
It was a completely different realm of women like that.
You know all my girlfriends that aren't on the show.
It's a different thing. And when you go in from
being it was like a culture shock for me, it

(46:58):
is and like you know, I was forever twenty one
and everybody else's Birkin's like there was like it was
just a different phase of my life. And I'm so
happy that I've been able to grow and learn. Well.
I had dinner the other night with um Chris Collin,
who was our showrunning for all those years, and we
got so much and Alex Baskin, our executive producer, and
you know ore the man behind the magic is people

(47:18):
like to say about Alex Baskin, And we were lappy
about season one. How I mean, I was like that too.
I mean the first season, I was nervous. I remember
getting so stressed because Lisa Vanna Pump can't tease me.
I had an open house and this is before the
show was like famous, and Lisa Vandam came over and
the dogs were jumping on all the people coming to
open house. I put my dogs in the laundry room,

(47:40):
so she used to She used to joke and say,
I'm going to say you lock your dogs up in
the laundro room. I was so worried about that, and
she would make jokes. I was like, quit doing that,
and I thought, I'm gonna get hate about my dog.
And I mean, that was the stuff I worried about. Then.
Can you remember the joy I would have about that?
But I was, you know, you're new to this. I
was like, you know, what if someone says their grandmother
died and it cuts you laughing, but you're laughing about

(48:01):
something else, so you're so tight, and then you realize
I just had to let go and let let you
know myself so and realize that not everything is perfect.
Like I I even think back to my you know,
we won't get into it now, but like even think
back to my relationship with my husband my first season,
and things were really freaking hard, and I never talked
about it with you guys because I didn't feel comfortable.

(48:23):
But like I wish now, like, wow, why didn't I
open up and show people that you're not alone and
no matter what you're going through, no matter if you're
going to postpartum, no matter if you're having issues in
your marriage and what it is, And that's really what
as now someone who watches the show, that's what I
want to get back to watching. I want to get
back to watching the real ship, the fun stuff, like

(48:45):
all the wild things, Like I want to see the
good and the bad and the ugly from everybody, but
less like it feels so less bad and ugly and
just fun. Yeah, we do a lot like the bad
and ugly, like the petty stuff, you know, like it
doesn't need to get to this, no please, it's so
it's really stressful, but I mean I really don't. I mean, honestly,

(49:05):
people always like why are you still there? Why is it?
But I mean we do have fun, but it is
very You're you're the clue that holds everybody together. Um,
and I know we're out of time. But the final
question it's a fan question. It's after all the tequila drama.
Do you think it was shady that Andy did the
final toast with a vodka soda carcass out? It's so funny.

(49:30):
I didn't. That's another thing I didn't realize until I
saw it on television because I was already thinking, get
me out of her, get me out of her, get
me out of here. That is pretty funny. I have
to say, I'm now looking back and you know, like
I said, you know, my sister's tequila is great. And
I do want to end this by saying I love
my family no matter what. Um my sister's you know,
my sister's kids and their kids, like I said, and um,

(49:53):
I just I just hope that that doesn't get lost
in all this. So I want, I just want to
finish on that note that you know, even if I
can get upset or be hurt. Um, I love my family.
I know I know you do, and I know how
important your relationship is with them. And I also appreciate
our friendship and how much you've given to my family,
our life, and for showing up to this pod last minute.

(50:15):
And you guys, thank you so much for tuning in
to another two teas in a pod with myself, Teddy
Mella Camp and Kyle Richards. We will be back on
Monday to discuss all things Potomac and Salt Lake City.
Bye bye,