August 12, 2024 • 46 mins
Don't hate the player, hate the game. Join Tamra Judge and Dan Gheesling as they go deep inside the minds of your favorite reality gamers. Learn from their strategies, double crosses, trickery, and sabotage to see what might be effective IRL. They are going head-to-head with your favorite superstar reality success stories. Learn how to win The Amazing Race, survive Survivor, take on the trickiest Traitors and so much more on “Talking a Big Game”.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi everybody. I'm Tamra Judge and I'm Dan Geesling. Welcome
to our new podcast, Talking a Big Game. Hey, guys,
welcome to Talking a Big Game.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We've come a long way Scotland.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I know we have. Last time I saw you, well,
I saw you at the reunion. Yeah, so you guys,
Dan and I are starting a new podcast called Talking
a Big Game. And there's no bigger gamer out there
than Dan Geesling.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
You know what, Tamar, this has been such a unique
opportunity when it's like, hey, you can pair us together
because you bring such a unique dynamic to this. I'm
just so excited to be here with you, and I
can't wait to see when we broke, when we approach
these reality TV winners and some of our favorite personalities.
I'm just excited to see you go to work and
do your thing.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Well, we have a guest this week. It's Max from
Danzy with the Stars, who was also on The Traders
with us. So you guys, you want to know how
this happened, let's talk about it.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So like, how does want the iconic Real Housewives of
OC and Winner Big Brother?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
How iconic Winner a Big Brother?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
How do we end up on this couch together. It's
like kind of a random It is totally random.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I know you guys are thinking, what the hell is
going on? Somebody has a loss of damn mine over
there at iHeart. No, Actually, Dan and I did. He
filled in as a co host when I was recapping Traders,
and our dynamic was so good that iHeart was like, oh,
I see an opportunity here.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, I want to rewind it back a step two
because I don't like sometimes I go off like feelings
and just sometimes I get these weird premonitions. And we
spend a lot of time together in Scotland off camera,
and like we talked a lot, but I'm just like,
at some point I just felt like we're going to
do something together. And I really don't often feel that weird.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And then you know, well, Dan and I really hit
it off when we were in Traders. When you do Traders,
there's a lot of downtime. So he would talk about
his wife and his kids, and I would talk about
Eddie and we would just just kind of god to
shoot the ship. And I really thought, like, you know,
Dan's my friend here. However, Dan, let me just tell
you on my way to Scotland. Some of the cast
was leaked and I was getting messages. I was being
(02:06):
hit up on DM saying no this, do not trust
that Dan.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Who would say that, no one, no one really knows
me from your circle.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
No, I'm talking just the general public, just just followers
that I had, maybe a couple people in the press.
Watch out for that.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Dan. You'll have to tell me the names. When I'll
tell you, because what I was told was going into this.
My wife's like, if Tamer is there, you have to
be friends with her. And I'm like, I knew who
you were, but when I got to know you during
the downtime, I'm like, you're not really from the OC.
You could be from the Midwest. You just have like
you're not the typical California. You just have like you're
(02:42):
very warm, You're very direct, and I thought I found
that so refreshing in such a unique environment.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
No, but I mean that like no, like you you
embodied like I felt like we could instantly connect because
I didn't feel like there was any there was no
gray area with you. It's like black and white. I
know where you're coming from and you're speaking your mind.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
You might call me a bit, wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I wouldn't say that, but I could see maybe some
other people would on other shows.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Well, So Dan and I did Traders, got along great
until the day that I got murdered.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Let's talk about this.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Let's talk about it, Dan, because I don't know that
we fully talked about this.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I tried to reach out to you after the show
and you go, I go, you ghost. I'm like, okay,
I guess Tamraa isn't from the Midwest. What the heck's
going on? And then like maybe a month or two later,
after the show's over, my phone start blew up twice
from a California number. I'm like, I'm not answering this.
I don't know what it was. And you were like
about to go on stage. What happened?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yes, So we were doing a live show, Teddy and
I in San Francisco and the show aired Traders the
episode that I was murdered, and I thought for sure
you were behind it.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Why did you think I did it? Though?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Because come on, Dan, you know why because the night
before you and I were in the kitchen, which they
never showed this, this is lost footage. We were in
the kitchen and I was starting to feel better because
I had been so sick. You were pretty quiet, and
you were kind of getting a little and there's a
lot of suspicion on you because you were quiet. I
was quiet too, So I said, you know what, I
know Dan is a trader. I know it. I'm gonna
(04:15):
go I'm gonna just talk to him and say, you
know what, why don't we team up together? And the
next day I was murdered.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Okay, but let me rewind it. So all that time
we spent together get to know each other, and in
all the downtime, you're like, oh, you never thought, oh,
Dan wouldn't do that to me, because because people.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Were dming me saying that's your that's.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
What you do. Well, I guess next time, trust your guy.
You're like, Dan's a nice guy.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Dan's nice.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
At one point, at one point, did you know, like, hey, okay,
Dan was trying to reach out to me because he
didn't go after me.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Why didn't you? Did you? Maybe they didn't show up,
but did you say to Faed' like no, let's not
let's not murder Tamra.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
At that point, it was like there was chaos, right,
So I'm like I they're going to kill each other,
They're going at each other. I'm like, I was kind
of stunned, to be honest, because the people in our
car were the people I wanted to protect, and I
did a horrible job doing that. You know, you eckon
to and you got yourself in a little bit. But anyways,
so so you found out, so you're watching the show.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, watching the show, And my assistant was with me
and he's like, oh my god, I just saw it
on social media. It wasn't Dan, it was Phedra. And
I'm like, oh, that pisses me off even more, thank you,
sister housewife. And then I felt bad because I because
you were so nice to me.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Well, and that's the thing, and so for me, I'm
always able to and I think this is gonna be
The interesting part about the show is that we're doing,
is that I'm it's easy to me to separate that
stuff like personal in game, but this is a situation
where the personal kind of was the game. Like I
wasn't going to go after you, but so you were
mad found out I didn't do it, and then you
weren't mad.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I know, I get it for things, really, but like.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
That That's all it took. So what if I did
really want to go after you, would you still do?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I mean no, it was a game. It was just
you know what it was is because I really liked you.
I really liked you, and I thought, wow, man, I
really liked him, and I got suckered in. I don't
like that because I have very good instinct and intuition
and I can spot an asshole like like I have
asshole like radar, like watch The show Man where.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
It comes from? For you? How can you do that?
I think some people have it and some people don't.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I just have it. My husband's like, you are crazy
like that. We can meet somebody and I'm like, nope,
not a good guy, He's like. And my husband likes everybody.
Oh no, He's like he was so nice. I'm like, nope,
I'm not right with him. Just a feeling feeling. My
grandmother was very intuitive. She knew things were going to
happen before they're going to happen. So I think I
got a little bit of that gene in me.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
So yeah, I just call it the asshole radar something
like that. But Dan, you are a big gamer.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I am not. So I want to learn so much
from you and our guests that we have on because
you know, in reality right now, there's a lot of
new gaming shows coming out.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
But here's the thing I pushed back on. For you
to be the longest running oh see how Wife and overarching,
there's some meta game in that, actually the longest I'm on.
So there's a meta game in that. So like you
may not think like that you've been playing a game
since you stepped foot on reality TV.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Well that's what I thought. I really thought going into this.
You know, I got great intuition, you know, and I
got to Scotland, I got in that castle and I
just looked at everybody, go, I don't know what I'm
doing here? How did I get here? And what am
I doing?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
But here's the thing. For you to be on your
show as long as you have been, there's gamesmanship to that,
whether there is you, whether you know what you're doing,
which I think you know exactly what you use.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Housewives is a game of chess, yes, for sure, right
you make this move, make this move, I say that,
you say that definitely. But Traders is different. How did
Traders compare to Big Brother?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
For you? So for me, it was much much quicker
and like what we were doing in the car, like
I got to know a lot about you, lot about
like family or like that's what I do, so I
will I'll play the play the whole game like that.
So I knew a lot about everyone and big brother
I got. I have all day to do that, and
when I need to, like tug on the right strings,
(08:13):
I do someone like you. I wouldn't have like done
that against because I'm like Tamer's never going to turn
on me. But so you identify those people. But that's
like I established long term relationships and then make the
move when I need to got it.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Now, would you go back.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
To I would do Traders for sure? Would you you
have to do it?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I would go back to Traders because I didn't have
the best experience and I really.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Wasn't six I was so sick six hours I was.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I was so sick, and then I ended up in
the hospital when I got home, Like it was a
whole mess.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
So let me this from like from your housewife community
when you were done, or I would probably say after
it aired, because it got so much buzz when it aired,
like were people reaching out to you from like Housewives
being like hey, like putting feelers out or what was
what was your like Housewives friends? What was their take
on what you did in the whole?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
You know, well, first of all, I couldn't say you
know you when you're murdered. You can't say anything or
do anything for until the show is completely over, so
I couldn't go back to regular life, Like I couldn't
do my podcast. I had to stay off social media
until the show is completely done. And at that point
when the show was completely done, I was in the
hospital for three days.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
What happened well, because.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I got so sick in Scotland. They put me on
some kind of antibiotics that was so strong that they
made inflammation in my intestines and I had like a blockage.
So I was feeling so sick and stomach pains and
I went to the hot and he's like, you're going
to the hospital. I go to the hospital and they're like, yeah,
you're being admitted. They're like you're gonna we're gonna put
a tube down your nose, We're gonna suck everything out,
(09:45):
and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Ew, That's one of the reason why I knew I
really liked you because I knew you were hurting, but
you still I was and You're like, I'm showing up
because well, Ihaedra.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Did me a favor because it was going to happen
eventually on these antibiotics that were way too strong for me,
and I got to go home. I was home for
a day or so and I was in the hospital.
So I would have ended up in the hospital in Scotland.
That would have been no fun at all. But I
would love to do a retake of it because now
I know how the game works, and I think that
(10:15):
I know I would be well, of course, and I
would have a lot more fun.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
But like the missis so when you went, because that's
to me, that's stepping outside like the Housewives bubble, And
in terms of what like a house would normally do,
what was their reaction to, like your friends on the
show and other show, other housewives shows, where they just like,
is there like jealousy because here you're on another show
and it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Sure, I mean, we definitely have a few people, like
on my cast that were like whatever, our Tammer gets everything,
she gets the commercials, she gets Ultimate Girl's Trip, and
I'm like, hey, sorry, sucks to be you, but.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
That's like the meta game, and I think we're kind
of leading this path. Is like, so you've been on
TV for seventeen is it seventeen.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Fifteen and seventeen years? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
So like to be that long the mainstay on a showing.
There's games and let's talk about it. They try to
get rid of me once, Well, tell me about that.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Well they fired me.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Why.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I don't exactly know when you when you get fired?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
How do you get Does Andy fire you?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
No, there's no, that's not like you go into a
room and there's a note on your chair and you
open it up and say you've been fired. It doesn't
work like traders. But I get a phone call. I
was camping at the time, and I didn't get a
lot of cell service, so I would drive up to
the main road every once in a while.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It was Bravo calling.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
They were calling production call and said, hey, just want
to let you know that the network has decided to
go in another way, another direction, And I go, what huh?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
And just for context, how many years had this been?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Twelve years?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
And I said, what do you mean? Well, you can
come back and do a certain amount of episodes and
then they will write you off and I'm like, nah,
I'm all or none.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
So does that mean like you wouldn't have had like
the or range.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
No, I would have just been like it.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, just why after twelve years they have to give
you a reason?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I think sometimes like they want to switch it up.
They want to change it up. They want to see
if maybe it didn't work without me?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Or can I ask you something?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Two questions, and I think I know that you weren't boring,
Like was did you have a boring storyline?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
No? I ended my last season and the bush is crying.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Okay. Second question, they had to be paying a lot
of money for the like yeah, someone like the camera.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, maybe that could have been it. That could have
been it. You never really know. But Andy gave me
a call and he said, listen, you're not going anywhere.
I mark my words. You'll be back.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
So like soon after you got that.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
So I thought, Okay, I have a year off. I'm
gonna have fun next year. Nope, he didn't call me back,
and then I started, oh my god. Then they gave
me did.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
You reach out? Like did you did you? Dm Andy
be like hey, like I'm still here, like the OC
ratings are going down, like I'm over here, I'm over here.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Hey No, And then I got then Andy called me
on my birthday and offered me Ultimate Girls Trip. So
I went on Ultimate Girls Trip and then I got higher.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Ok, yes, Ultimate Girls Trip did really well and it
was season two, just like Traders two that did very well.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
But is there a part of you that, like I
would want to know give me the real reason? Because
you take shows doing well, you take me off, show
doesn't do well, you put me back on show does
well again, So what was the reasoning? Did you piss
off like an executive pro kiss people?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Now? I'm very I have very good relationships with everybody
on the network, the production team, all that.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I think I've just been on for a really long time.
They had let Vicky go and they had let Heather go,
and then I'm like, Okay, I guess it's my turn.
Nothing less forever. And I never thought about this as
a career. It's a job, it's a contract. So I'm
back and everything's good.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Let me ask you, so, what do you think without
being self aggrandizing, because you're not like that But what
do you bring to the table that that's like, Okay,
there's housewives that get cycled in and out there. You
see it for season two seats they're gone, but you're
still here. What do you think it gives me here?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I think because I'm open and I'm honest, I don't
play for the viewers. I speak my mind. I say
the things that everybody's thinking. And a lot of people
try to self produce. They don't want to be seen
in a bad light.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Do you mean self produced?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
They want to produce themselves in a way that maybe
they're not in normal life. They want everybody to like them,
They want the viewers to like them. And if that
doesn't work, it doesn't work like that. Just be your raw,
normal self and people love that. If you're going to
act or be fake it shows they always say the
cameras don't lie.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
When you get some pushback online from something you say,
does that bother you or at this point, like, how
do you handle that?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Sometimes it bothers me. Right now, I've been going through
a little bit of a mind because the show's airing,
Certain girls are doing press, and certain girls are just
out there just blatantly lying about me, and it makes
me want to comment about it. I have, I have commented,
but my turn to do press just happened and I
(15:17):
spoke my mind. So but just a Joe Schmoe from
Idaho that sends me dms like that he hates me,
don't really give a shit.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
So and this is where the gamesmanship comes from me, Like,
there's people on your show who are in the press
lying about you. Yeah, and it's clear yeah right, So
like what are they thinking that that's the truth is
not going to come out or you're not going to
be able to like give the receipts.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I give receipts, baby, I always have received They are
not thinking that's why they get called out. That is
why they get called out. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
So that's why I feel like, and I think it's
different for you because your your show, your life on
the show is a game, but it's not a game.
It's like it's like this we not unique blend of
like your life and everything's out there, but people are
treating it like a game.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Well, how did you get cast.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
In so a long long time ago? So when I
was a kid, I grew up and I saw Survivor.
I'm like, I love this, I want to go on it,
and I'm like, I'm not the outdoorsy type. So then
I saw a big brother and I'm like, Okay, it's
the same thing as Survivor, but just in a house.
So I sent in a VHS tape. You know what
that is. They don't know what VHS tape.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
You girls don't know what it is. But it's just like,
what's that?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And you know, it took me four years to get cast.
I made to like semi finals kind of learned the casting.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Were you gaming at that time? Were you a gamer?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
No? So, like I grew up with like playing games
as a kid, like sorry, Nintendo. But I just loved
like the fact that you have these adults and they're
taking like our lives are so serious, right, all the
serious stuff's going on, and you have this like ridiculous
game and all these adults are treating it like so important,
and I'm just like, this is so cool and to
(17:03):
be able to play that game would be really special.
And so it took me four years to get cast.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You just write a letter or send a pigeon.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I just kept sending tapes every year, and I'm just like,
there's no, like I'm gonna I'll keep applying until I
get on the show.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Is there any other game you'd want to be a
part of.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I don't think right now. And I think that's where
Traders was so unique, right, Like it was a fresh
game and like we didn't I didn't really know how
to play. You didn't like there wasn't all this strategy
already played out. But one of the shows I thought
was really cool to watch was Squid Games. Did you
ever ever see my husband did?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I couldn't get into it, Like.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
They put like four hundred people in this compound. Yeah,
it was just insanity. I'm like, this is really cool
and you see like different groups of people.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I mean, there's so many shows that open the door
for you know, just competition shows.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Across Let me ask you so because I don't know
your origin story because OC was the first one. Yes,
So what was there like a line at the mall
being there was? There was?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
It was, but I didn't go to that line of
the mall. It was actually a line at the Balboa
Bay Club, which you actually just saw in the first
two episodes of Orange County this season. That's where the
party was. That's also where I got baptized. So we
have a lot of a lot to do with the
Balboa Bay Club. There my girlfriend who lived next door
to me. Now this was two thousand and six. I
(18:23):
had little little kids and married to Simon, and we
were drinking wine and she was in the house next
to me and do you remember I am AOL semester
semester on your computer name? Oh my god, I can't
even remember. Probably something obnoxious, she said. She sent me
the application and she says, hey, they're doing a casting call,
(18:48):
and I go, what. I don't even know what that
means for the Orange County.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Housewise my commercials and stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Now, well you know what, Dan, thank you for asking,
because when I was eighteen, I did a waterbed commercial.
A waterbed commercial.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
That sounds like something that would have played on Watch
What Happens Live? Did that ever? Has that ever leaked?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
No, it's never been shown. I don't even know where
it was. It was on a local television station in Glendora, California, Okay,
and I bought a water bed and then they called
me back and said would you mind being in our commercial?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Okay, that's that's your commercial.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
That's my extent of tea.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
So you weren't like actress? No, so what made you
compelled to like, oh let me do this casting?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Oh maybe in a smart ass. So my girlfriend sends
me over the application for housewives. She goes they're doing
a cast and call at Balbo Bay Club. I said, well,
I had just gott into real estate, so I'm doing
an open house and coded cause it that day, so
I will not be there. But there was an online
application and I filled it out very obnoxious, you know,
just said obnoxious things. Didn't send a picture, didn't send
(19:46):
anything in picture, nothing. And I got a phone call
the next day saying, hey, I saw your application. I'd
really like to interview you. And I'm like, what the
b And so I tell my husband at the time,
and I thought for sure because he's very controlling, and
he'd be like, no, we're not doing that, Like sure,
call them up. I'm like okay. So I called him up.
They came to my house. I did an interview. They
gave me a big stack of papers to fill out.
(20:07):
I never filled them out, never thought I had the chance.
They called me back, They're like, did you feel Mom
said no, like, can we come back? We want to
meet your husband, kids. Okay, met the husband and kids.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
So this play just like whatever because no one knows
that Housewives.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
No Housewives, well no there was. I came in season three.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Oh so there was two.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And they were kind of boring. It was very not
like it is today, but you know, it's what started everything.
And so I ultimately got cast on the show, and
I you know, I'm like, I don't know why you
want me, but here I am. And I really changed
Housewives as it is today. I came in feisty, calling
people out, and before it was a very sleepy show,
(20:46):
like just documenting like oh dinner with the girls, you.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Know, and yeah, I felt like I've seen like the
early episode.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah when the day that I screamed, did you got
a bas leg? Everything changed?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
So let me let me ask this. If you never
got that I am or that in some message, how
would your life be different? Like, I'm serious, have you
ever thought to like recollect and be like, let me
go down this alternate world where.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I think about that sometimes? And I really don't know.
I know for sure I would have gotten divorced from
my kid's father. I knew that was going to happen,
but I was in real estate, and real estate was
great back then, so I probably would have just jumped
on that or but I don't know. I always thought
that I was destined to do something in entertainment. You know.
When I was little, I would dream like I always
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this is really mean, but I always thought of myself
as Maryland from the Munsters, like the whole families like
look like evil characters, and Marylyn was this pretty blonde girl.
That's sorry family Carolyn, the Munsters. It was like Frankenstein
looking down lady with long like black hair. And then
there was you, and then there was me. And I
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always felt like, you know, I always wanted bigger and better.
I always liked nice things. When I would dream, I
dreamed that I was living in a castle, like all
these things so crazy, and I don't know, I thought
that one day this mouth would get me somewhere, get
me or in jail. I wasn't sure one or the other.
And here we are today, but so many, you know,
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early reality shows, and I don't even know if they
called them reality shows back then. I mean, I'm trading spaces.
I don't know if you remember that when I used
to love all that house decorating shows and things like that.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I watch like early Survive Like when Survivor I did
it was like super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, watch I watched that when it first
came out.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Did you ever think about applying for that? Because I could,
I could see you on that just as like a
complete one eighties.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I think that I was too, Like I was such
a stay at home mom and my kids were so
little and close in age, and I'm like, you know what,
I just I'm happy being at home. And you know,
I was a single mom for a long time with Ryan,
so being able to just stay home and have children,
I was very content.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Did you going on these shows? Did it not change
your personality but like force you to do like night
life stuff when you weren't doing it?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, for sure, for sure. Like when I started the show,
like I I had friends in the neighborhood, but I
did not go on girls trips. I did not go, hey,
you guys want to go to a happy hour? None
of that. I mean to be honest with you, I
don't do it now.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Well that's what was when we met. I'm like, you're like, yeah,
I'm kind of a homebody, Like really.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
No, no, I'm not kind of I am a homebody.
I am a homebody. I you know, sometimes I'm like,
get yourself out, you know, go do stuff. My husband
is more wanting to go out to dinner and do things,
and you know, I'm like, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Do you view when you have to go, like to
that club to shoot a scene you look at that
as work, like I need to go shoot this or
is it, hey, I'm going to hang out and some
stuff it?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
So you know what kind of both it's work depends
on who I have to go film with. But you know,
I have a good gig. I get paid to go
to lunch with people be yourself and be myself, so
it doesn't suck at all. But yeah, where do you
think you want to Is there any shows that you
wanted beyond other than this podcast?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You know? I mean I just think like if there's
a new game that comes out that it has to
be very special. Like to me, I knew The Traders
was going to be special. I knew the cast was
going to be amazing, and it's a new fun game.
I just for me to do another show, it just
can't be the same thing over and over. And this
is like an example of like doing this, Like I
don't want to go do another reality TV podcast. I
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just don't want to do that. But like you pair
me with you, I'm like, okay, this is unique diff
you're from.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
You got the gamer in the housewife, gamer in the housewife. Now,
how long has it been since you were on Big Brother?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
So last time I was on Big Brother was twenty
twelve and so but since then, like probably every year,
every other year, I would get pitched a reality show
where there's amazing race, you know something.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And I'm just like, I just like I tried out
for amazing race.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Good, yeah, me my amazing race and that survivor or
Big Brother.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Well it just kind of fell on our laps and
Teddy and I were going to do it together. So recently, yeah,
this is like two years ago, I think, and we
went through the entire process and they did not pick us.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Really no, was it conflict of interest or I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
We never got a reason why. I probably passed. I
didn't pass a psych evaluation. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
That would be great TV. Is there has there ever
been a when you do something like that, like because
I know Bravo and Peacock are aligned. Yeah, if you do,
can you do stuff outside of that?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
We have to get permission. And I do have Amazing
Race carved out of my contract because I had talked
to them after that and they were interested in having
me and Eddie do the show together.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I probably would have felt more comfortable doing it with
Eddie because some of that stuff that you have to
do in a foreign country, like I'd rather have a man,
and Teddy's just not manly enough. I mean, I know
she has that deep voice, but she's just not masculine
enough for me.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Is Andy the Kingsmaker? Is he the one that signs
off me like yep, tam, or you can do this
or no?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Probably really yeah? Probably over at Bravo, they're the ones
that sign off. So we have then we have a
production company, and then.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
He's got He's probably an interesting story how he like
worked his way up, like he runs that network.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I know he's a he's a very busy man, not
to mention he's got podcasts and radio shows, but.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Talk about gamesmanship. There's like to work your way up
to the head of a company that isn't like like,
I'm sure he likes you know that he was on.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Got Sex in the City. He was he was on
Sex in the City. Yeah, it was like that's to
this day him and Sarah Jessica Park are really good friends.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
But was that before he was like Andy Cohen.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yes, he was like very very young. He had this
big head of curly hair and he was I can't
remember what he did because.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
First time I saw m he hosted this it was
just I mean it was called Battle of the Network
Stars and they brought these reality TV personalities together for
this competition show and it was like super low budget.
But I think he hosted it. And that was like
right around the time when Bravo turned from like you know,
like Bravo was boring before. Yeah, and then it was
like he'd.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
When they had just career ire for the straight Guy
or something like that. Very yeah, yeah, Tabitha's takeover something
like that. Well, there's so many amazing reality competition shows
out there, and we want to talk to every single contestant.
Now Big Brother is airing right now, right, yes, yes,
now are you watching?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
So this is probably going to rub some people the
wrong way, but who better to be on a couch
with rubbing people the wrong way? Here's my take on
Big brother Big Brother has become. When I played it,
it was like the nicest person didn't win, Like it
was just whoever played hard. There would be like people.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Crying over didn't you win? But you step in your.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
But like so, so that's how it used to be,
and I don't want to be this like, oh it
used to be this way. But now it's like they're
on camera twenty four to seven, so people are hyper
aware of everything they say and they do. So now
it's like they're playing two games. They're playing the social
media game. Yeah, and then so that will impact how
people make moves in the house. So like, well, I
don't want to go after Tammer because I know everyone
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on social media is gonna love tamor well guess what
if the right move is to go after you, that's
the right move. And so I've seen like the game
and it's I think it was just inevitable with the
rise of social media. It's like you have people who
go on there to play, like probably like housewives play
to the cameras. They're not there to play the game.
They're not there to be real like people love you.
I like watching you because like now I see it
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like you're on TV, that's who you are in real life.
I don't want to see like, you know, robots and
fake people and so so.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
You feel like it's just a little bit too fake now.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, and I just think it's it's no one's fault
you're not watching. No, I'll watch the finale because to me,
that's always like someone busted their tail for an entire.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Summing and it's no longer. They were doing celebrity. Yeah,
our very own teddy.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah what she say about it? What did she?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
She was very sure she got kicked off. She's very opinionated,
and I think that's one of those things where they're like, okay,
get on. Yeah, so she we were kind of bombed.
I was the first time I ever really watched Big Brother.
I had a viewing party, you know, because I couldn't
talk to her. Yeah, they take your phone away.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Right, Yeah, you have nothing, no phone Internet. It's like
I mean, it is. I would love to see you
in that environment because the walls come in very quickly.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Like very you're actually on a set, right, you're a
closed set, and do you get to go outside?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
There's like an outdoor, but imagine this is it and
they're like the ceilings cut out.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Oh my god, I was. I just did pressed the
other day and I don't remember what studio is at,
but it was where they were filming Big Brother, and
they were saying that they have to put higher screens
around the outside area. That's right. They had to put
these big, dark screens because there was a housing department
on the either side, and they would scream down and
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give it away.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
People are not Yeah, people are us. People fly like
planes over they'll like rent a plane or pay for
a plane with a message, and holy hell. The thing
I always loved about Big Brother is there was always
a wide diversity of house guests from age everything. And
I feel like the past couple of years and I
think this year, like they put an older woman on there,
which I think makes it more fun.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Older like my age, you're young, you're in your form,
but like no I'm not.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
But like it got to like, okay, here's twenties, the thirties,
but the hits makers the entertainers were like the crazy
like sixty year old lady, the seventy eight year old
dude losing his mind. I mean, so it's just it
kind of got away from that so we'll see. I mean,
it's I think the show is so dependent on the cast,
and I think if you can get a cast in
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there that doesn't care about social media, that's when it's
great television.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Is there any newer competition shows that you're watching, Like
there's like a House of Villains.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I watched the one that really grabbed me outside of
Traders with Squid Games, because it's just something new. It's like,
I love the show. So there's a fiction show about
these people fighting for their lives and the winner got
four million dollars and then they recreated that almost like
scene for scene.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
But four million dollars is worth fighting for, I know.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
But like, but you got to think, like a typical show,
you see like fifteen twenty people competing. They had like
hundreds of people on a show, and I'm like, this
is new, this is cool that there's this competition where
there's this glass bridge and like one step, one block,
like shatters you fall thirty feet the next magic of television.
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But so you see these people like Tammer, you go
first know you and it's like that's what I want
to see. I want to see people in these like
tough environments having to make game decisions. And I think
a lot of these games, like even Big Brother and Survivor,
it's been on for so long so people know exactly
what to expect. We're like something like Traders, We're kind
of like figuring it out now. I would expect the
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next season of Traders, people are going to know, Okay,
here's how Dan messed up. Let me not do that.
There's a lot of things. No, we had, you know,
Suri and like the Civilians in the first season, like
they didn't know what they were doing. You know. No.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I like it that it's all celebrity people that's on it.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Which can we randomly talk about? You and Deontay are
from the same hometown? I know?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Is that crazy? Who knew that Deontay lives in Glendora, California,
where I grew up. I was like when I met
him for the first time, I'm like, oh, where are
you from? He's like Glendor. I'm like, no, you're not.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
You're so bizarre because I was there. I'm like, what,
let's talk.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
About Johnny Bananas?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
He does he not like you? Well, I'm okay, I'm cool,
but I'm gonna tell you this. This is what I heard,
so here's like tea for everyone, and I'm sure that's tea.
But I heard he was supposed to be in season three,
and you you know that I did to the little
like you know him as much as I know me,
maybe no more. This dude lives for reality TV, like
this is his life.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
And his career. He's a career reality TV competition.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
So then I heard he's not doing it, and I'm like,
I dug a little bit. I asked him, like why
isn't he doing it? And so, I mean, that's just
he didn't expect it. So I reached out to him like, hey,
like are you okay, because for him not to do that,
it's like, hey, you're not breathing oxygen. And he never
spinned him. I was genuinely just wanted to do yeah,
I guess, but I wanted to check out him because
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like if someone not doing their favorite things, well, he
just DMed.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Me and said we need to get together soon. So
he lives pretty close to me. Okay, he lives in
Fuller ten, so he lives pretty close.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I mean, I don't take it personal, you know, I like.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
I but I feel like somebody like him that is
like a career competitor.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I guess you call him.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
He takes things very serious and I don't remember what
your guys beef was.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
No, he was just mad that I voted him out
or that I took him out first. That was it.
I didn't like slander him, But.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I think if he went back to Traders, I think
it would happen again, probably because people would be afraid
of him because he's so good at what he does.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Well, that's the thing, if someone spends their whole life
doing the same thing over and over again, Like, why
do I want to go up against someone? Why do
you want to go against someone who's been doing this
for fifteen years in a row.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
EMCT he made it all the way to the end.
I'm surprised somebody didn't get rid of him. I didn't
know you're worried about me, little sick me.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I knew who CT was. I didn't know he was.
He was like considered the babe Ruth of the challenge.
I didn't know that. That was just like a really
dynamic and.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Johnny been working together for years. So no, you're gonna
say that Bananas won't be on our podcast anytimes.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
No, I would love to talk. I have no And
that's the thing like to me, like I will play
like if we're playing Monopoly, you're gonna hate me in
the game. I'm gonna do everything I need to. But
when it's over, like, I'm cool. I just want to
talk about like do people other housewives come to you
and be like, Okay, help me, let me ask you
Just has anyone ever and any housewife I could be
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on any season come to you and be like, hey,
what do you think? What can I do? Yes?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, it happens all the time. Usually what happens is
a first season housewife will reach out to me and say,
you know, I really love you. You've been on the
show for a long time. Do you have any advice
for me?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
How do you will? You can? I can? I guess
how you take that? I bet you you're flattered and
then you actually really genuinely try to help them.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I do absolutely, let me ask before you answer.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
What you say to what other people on your cast?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Do that? No?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
No, no?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
And I do that to almost every new cast member
that comes on the show. I will tell them like listen,
you know, just be yourself, don't lie, you know, just
be authentic, be open and you're gonna be fine. That's
all you can do. And if you're they don't find
you interesting enough, then it's not that bad being normal.
It's not that bad, you know, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Is that? Like is that the kiss of death though,
is if they don't like you or if they don't
remember you for sure? So yeah, So when you say that,
isn't there an element of like be yourself but like
you can do this to be memorable? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
I mean yeah, But you know, when new people come
into this, they there the show's been on for so
long that they're like, I don't know what I'm supposed
to do. Or they come in and go, well, I'm
going to do what this girl did and I'm going
to act like that and I'm going to be this,
and they already have it all planned out in their head,
you know, And and that doesn't work. We don't want
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somebody that's prerehearsed coming in and scram everything up for
the show. So I have to ask you a question,
what do you think the secret to success in life is?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Well, I think that's a very personal question. So I
will give my answer, but I want to hear your
answer to me, I feel like success is doing what
you want as much as you humanly possibly can. You know,
So for me, what does that mean? That means I
get to control my schedule. I get to be part
of cool projects and do things that I like while
also being present for my children and my wife and
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being able to do all that you know, coach little league,
do that stuff. That's success for me? What is success
for me?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I agree with that, and I also want to say, like,
to me, success is not measured by how much money
you have in your bank, or what kind of car
you drive, what kind of you know job you have.
I think success is doing something that you really really
enjoy doing every single day and having just being happy
and having a loving family and all those things. Money
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comes and goes. Don't even care about that, you know.
I don't want to be like, oh, but you know,
I'm a social climber and I'm successful. I don't buy
into that stuff.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
When you say getting to do what you love to
do every day, what does that mean for tamor like,
what do you love to do for me? Like?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
You know, I I didn't go to college out of
high school. I got my manicuring license. I did nails.
Then later in life, I got my real estate license,
so it's always looking for something to do when I
and I did that because I love houses, I love
decorating houses, I love everything to do with it. So
every day that I was selling houses, I enjoyed it.
Then when I got on reality TV, I had no
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idea what I was getting myself into, but I really
enjoyed it, and I really liked it, and I really
liked that I had a set schedule that you know,
these days are months I'm in a film, this is
I'm gonna do press, and you know, then I do
this and then we have a few months off and
I do it all over again. I was able to
be with my kids for the majority of time. I
didn't have to get up at six and the Moe
drive to work and be gone all day long and
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miss everything and come back. So I that to me
was a success because I was able to be there
for my children, for my husband and all that. Just
hard working and happiness really, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
You have a lot going on. You have a CBD company,
you have a million podcasts, you have the two houses,
I know million You talk about at some point the
house that you've fixed up because it plays into what
you're just talking about. So it sounds like for you,
what you love to do is like if you see
something you want to do, whether it's a company you
want to start, podcasts, a house you want to renovate,
you just have the capacity to do that when you
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want to do it.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yeah, and I have the drive to do it for me, like,
if I put my mind to do something, I'm going
to do it, and I'm going to do I'm going
to kill it. And I have and of course I've
had failures, but your failures are what teaches you to
be stronger and to keep going. And I feel like,
you know, for this girl that didn't end up going
to college, I'm doing pretty damn well. Although my youngest
daughters like, mom, why do I have to go to college?
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You didn't go to college, And look at.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
You, I mean, what do you say that.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
I said, listen, you're right, You're absolutely right, And I'm
not forcing my child to go to college. I said,
I think that. Well, I let her take a gap
year and she's like, oh, this sucks, like and I said,
you know, it's not fun to adult. So I if
I were you, I would take the opportunity to go
to college. You got four years your brother living his
best life. I'm paying his rent. You know, he's over
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there in Fullerton, cal State Fullerton. He just actually graduated.
And you know, living you learn a lot that way.
You just learn just basic life skills.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I don't want to get sentimental here on you, But
do you think there'll be a day when you're like,
this is it? This is my last season. I'm going
to like do you want to call your shot when
you go out?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
You do? Yeah, like the farewell tour, like this is it?
Like do you think do you think you'll hit a
point where you're like, Okay, I'm done, or do you
think you want to go until No.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I think that there's going to be a day that
I'm going to be done. I don't want to be
sixty years old and fighting with women on a reality show.
But I also think that I've been on reality for
so long that stuff is just going to come my way. Anyways,
even if I were to go, and who knows, like
nothing's promised, I could lose my job next season and
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I would be perfectly fine. I've already had the firing
a couple of years back that you know what it sucked,
but once you get hurt like that, it just never
stings the same again.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
But I think that's what makes you such an iconic
reality TV personality, is like you don't have to have
this right like you. I think you see people on
TV and competition shows are like they have to, like
they're so desperate and like it comes off as like inauthentic,
like when you say like I'm good tomorrow, like I
think everyone listening myself include believes it, like you've had
a great.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
I've had a great run. I mean I was saying
I want to quit any time standards. I don't get
the kid. I'm not putting that message out there, but
I think when the day comes, like I'm going to
live a really happy life because at the end of
the day, I have a really happy life and I
have a really good life, and I'm very busy, and
you know, we're in the middle of doing a new
new business, so self defense business. It's basically what it
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sounds like.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
It's we go.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
It's mostly run by simulations, so they will teach you
like virtual like virtual so it is it has tacticals
involved in it, although there's no guns, but there's they're
not actual real guns.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
What is tactical like a fake gun?
Speaker 1 (41:23):
It's gone just tactical just a I.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Don't know, elain like a BB gun. Is it like?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
No, it's actually you go into a room. They're going
to give you different scenarios on the screen where you
are taught to carry a firearm and what the proper
way of doing that. And you go into the screen
and you can be a situation you're getting carjacked, or
you're getting you're in a shooting in the mall or
anything like that teaches you things that you would never
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probably ever experience, but you could nowadays. There's the just
a self defense part where they were you're being taught
to defend yourself, not like full jiu jitsuything like that,
but the basics.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Have you gone through it?
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yes, I've gone through it? If like yeah, But it's
like a membership base where you go a couple of
times a week where you learn, like I'm putting my
daughter through it. I want to put my son. He's
fighting me on it, but I want to put my
son through it just because you know, there's a woman
the other day that was at the mall elderly woman
and she was robbed from from behind and then killed
and there's just techniques that you can learn that might
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have saved her life. And it's it's just an amazing concept.
So it's yeah, it's kind of like a video game.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
How did that's real? Quick? How did that's like? Where
did that come from?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
We were approached by these people, this this guy. I
don't know both of them. I knew one and we
were talking. I go, oh my god, I'd really want
to invest in something like that. And he's like, well,
I brought the rights for all of California, so if
you want to get in it, and so we said, yep,
let's do it.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
That's exciting. Yeah, that's very cool.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
So yeah, so that's another video game of life, trying
to stay alive, Stay Alive.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
We kind of talked about it, but I'm going to
I want you to get specific. So you've made a
name for yourself, right, like like if you close, if
I close my eyes and I think of housewives, I
see you in like maybe two or three others, and
I'm like, I'm like a passive you know, like Bravo fan.
Like I would say, like like.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
When you're passing in the hallway and your wife has
it on.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Yeah, like yeah, like I'm like a normy, Like I'm
not going to bravokon and things like that. You know,
So what do you think has made you stand out
over the other people that have come and gone, come
and gone, Like I guarantee like when you when you
go to Bravo Khan, like you're one of the people
that you don't need a name. Everyone knows who you are,
(43:33):
whether they watch OC or not.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I think I think my Ranas really captures people and
saying what most people are thinking but they don't have
the balls to say it, and calling out people when
they are lying. And you know, and I'm not afraid
of making an ass out of myself. You know, you've
seen me drunk on TV.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Any moments like that you're maybe proud of or not
proud of that have like stood.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Oh, there's a ton of like what well, I mean,
you know, there was a bathtub scene I'm not very
proud of. But there's also scenes like you know, my
granddaughter was born on camera. I was baptized on camera.
I was proposed to on camera. I got married on camera.
You know, I have like Eddie's grandma that's ninety eight
years old right now, was on camera and you know
she's not going to be around for much longer and
(44:19):
we have her, you know, yeah, on camera.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
So there's a there's a lot about any one liners
or like famous sayings, like we were talking about one
in the holidays, Judge. Yeah, I'd asked my wife what
the story was that.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, I mean I've had quite a few. I mean
one of my favorites is is you're ass jealous of
the shit that comes out of your mouth? And the
girl responded yes because she didn't know what I was
talking about.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Was that premeditated or was that on the spot? Like
had you thought of that line before?
Speaker 1 (44:44):
I had thought I had heard that line before. And
there's just one girl that was just so full of
shit and she was just talking. I'm like, oh my god,
this is a perfect opportunity. That's my opinion. Was something
that I never thought would be as popular as it is.
Just never seems to go away. But but you know,
there's always stuff that's coming out of my mouth that
is it keeps on going, It just keeps on going.
(45:07):
Well down. It was so great to catch up and
to finally get this podcast off the ground. We have
been struggling. The last time you came out we were
supposed to do I got sick, And now here we are.
I am so excited. I hope that we're going to
be able to do a little recap on Traders as well,
because I feel like that's going to be coming out soon.
I'm so so excited. People love Traders. It's up for
(45:30):
an Emmy.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Awesome. I know, good job.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
I don't know. I didn't do much.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
You're a part of the catch. No, I'm excited. I
think we have a lot of great guests coming through.
I think I am just so excited to get a
chance to talk to them, but also see your perspective
on some of these reality TV winners that you may
not be familiar with. And I want to see how
you approach him, because we're just coming at this from
two very different angles, Oh for sure. And I like,
I always love having a front seat to like fireworks
(45:57):
in great entertainment, and I think I think that's coming
down the road happening.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
So you guys tune in. We're going to have our
first guest, which is Max w was on Traders with
us and dancing with the stars. We'll see you soon.
Hi everybody. I'm Tamra Judge and I'm Dan Geesling. Welcome
to our new podcast, Talking a Big Game. Hey, guys,
welcome to Talking a Big Game.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
We've come a long way Scotland.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I know we have. Last time I saw you, well,
I saw you at the reunion. Yeah, so you guys,
Dan and I are starting a new podcast called Talking
a Big Game. And there's no bigger gamer out there
than Dan Geesling.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
You know what, Tamar, this has been such a unique
opportunity when it's like, hey, you can pair us together
because you bring such a unique dynamic to this. I'm
just so excited to be here with you, and I
can't wait to see when we broke, when we approach
these reality TV winners and some of our favorite personalities.
I'm just excited to see you go to work and
do your thing.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Well, we have a guest this week. It's Max from
Danzy with the Stars, who was also on The Traders
with us. So you guys, you want to know how
this happened, let's talk about it.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So like, how does want the iconic Real Housewives of
OC and Winner Big Brother?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
How iconic Winner a Big Brother?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
How do we end up on this couch together. It's
like kind of a random It is totally random.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I know you guys are thinking, what the hell is
going on? Somebody has a loss of damn mine over
there at iHeart. No, Actually, Dan and I did. He
filled in as a co host when I was recapping Traders,
and our dynamic was so good that iHeart was like, oh,
I see an opportunity here.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Well, I want to rewind it back a step two
because I don't like sometimes I go off like feelings
and just sometimes I get these weird premonitions. And we
spend a lot of time together in Scotland off camera,
and like we talked a lot, but I'm just like,
at some point I just felt like we're going to
do something together. And I really don't often feel that weird.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
And then you know, well, Dan and I really hit
it off when we were in Traders. When you do Traders,
there's a lot of downtime. So he would talk about
his wife and his kids, and I would talk about
Eddie and we would just just kind of god to
shoot the ship. And I really thought, like, you know,
Dan's my friend here. However, Dan, let me just tell
you on my way to Scotland. Some of the cast
was leaked and I was getting messages. I was being
(02:06):
hit up on DM saying no this, do not trust
that Dan.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Who would say that, no one, no one really knows
me from your circle.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
No, I'm talking just the general public, just just followers
that I had, maybe a couple people in the press.
Watch out for that.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Dan. You'll have to tell me the names. When I'll
tell you, because what I was told was going into this.
My wife's like, if Tamer is there, you have to
be friends with her. And I'm like, I knew who
you were, but when I got to know you during
the downtime, I'm like, you're not really from the OC.
You could be from the Midwest. You just have like
you're not the typical California. You just have like you're
(02:42):
very warm, You're very direct, and I thought I found
that so refreshing in such a unique environment.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
No, but I mean that like no, like you you
embodied like I felt like we could instantly connect because
I didn't feel like there was any there was no
gray area with you. It's like black and white. I
know where you're coming from and you're speaking your mind.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
You might call me a bit, wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I wouldn't say that, but I could see maybe some
other people would on other shows.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Well, So Dan and I did Traders, got along great
until the day that I got murdered.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Let's talk about this.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Let's talk about it, Dan, because I don't know that
we fully talked about this.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I tried to reach out to you after the show
and you go, I go, you ghost. I'm like, okay,
I guess Tamraa isn't from the Midwest. What the heck's
going on? And then like maybe a month or two later,
after the show's over, my phone start blew up twice
from a California number. I'm like, I'm not answering this.
I don't know what it was. And you were like
about to go on stage. What happened?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yes, So we were doing a live show, Teddy and
I in San Francisco and the show aired Traders the
episode that I was murdered, and I thought for sure
you were behind it.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Why did you think I did it? Though?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Because come on, Dan, you know why because the night
before you and I were in the kitchen, which they
never showed this, this is lost footage. We were in
the kitchen and I was starting to feel better because
I had been so sick. You were pretty quiet, and
you were kind of getting a little and there's a
lot of suspicion on you because you were quiet. I
was quiet too, So I said, you know what, I
know Dan is a trader. I know it. I'm gonna
(04:15):
go I'm gonna just talk to him and say, you
know what, why don't we team up together? And the
next day I was murdered.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Okay, but let me rewind it. So all that time
we spent together get to know each other, and in
all the downtime, you're like, oh, you never thought, oh,
Dan wouldn't do that to me, because because people.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Were dming me saying that's your that's.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
What you do. Well, I guess next time, trust your guy.
You're like, Dan's a nice guy.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Dan's nice.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
At one point, at one point, did you know, like, hey, okay,
Dan was trying to reach out to me because he
didn't go after me.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Why didn't you? Did you? Maybe they didn't show up,
but did you say to Faed' like no, let's not
let's not murder Tamra.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
At that point, it was like there was chaos, right,
So I'm like I they're going to kill each other,
They're going at each other. I'm like, I was kind
of stunned, to be honest, because the people in our
car were the people I wanted to protect, and I
did a horrible job doing that. You know, you eckon
to and you got yourself in a little bit. But anyways,
so so you found out, so you're watching the show.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, watching the show, And my assistant was with me
and he's like, oh my god, I just saw it
on social media. It wasn't Dan, it was Phedra. And
I'm like, oh, that pisses me off even more, thank you,
sister housewife. And then I felt bad because I because
you were so nice to me.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Well, and that's the thing, and so for me, I'm
always able to and I think this is gonna be
The interesting part about the show is that we're doing,
is that I'm it's easy to me to separate that
stuff like personal in game, but this is a situation
where the personal kind of was the game. Like I
wasn't going to go after you, but so you were
mad found out I didn't do it, and then you
weren't mad.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I know, I get it for things, really, but like.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
That That's all it took. So what if I did
really want to go after you, would you still do?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I mean no, it was a game. It was just
you know what it was is because I really liked you.
I really liked you, and I thought, wow, man, I
really liked him, and I got suckered in. I don't
like that because I have very good instinct and intuition
and I can spot an asshole like like I have
asshole like radar, like watch The show Man where.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
It comes from? For you? How can you do that?
I think some people have it and some people don't.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I just have it. My husband's like, you are crazy
like that. We can meet somebody and I'm like, nope,
not a good guy, He's like. And my husband likes everybody.
Oh no, He's like he was so nice. I'm like, nope,
I'm not right with him. Just a feeling feeling. My
grandmother was very intuitive. She knew things were going to
happen before they're going to happen. So I think I
got a little bit of that gene in me.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
So yeah, I just call it the asshole radar something
like that. But Dan, you are a big gamer.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I am not. So I want to learn so much
from you and our guests that we have on because
you know, in reality right now, there's a lot of
new gaming shows coming out.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
But here's the thing I pushed back on. For you
to be the longest running oh see how Wife and overarching,
there's some meta game in that, actually the longest I'm on.
So there's a meta game in that. So like you
may not think like that you've been playing a game
since you stepped foot on reality TV.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Well that's what I thought. I really thought going into this.
You know, I got great intuition, you know, and I
got to Scotland, I got in that castle and I
just looked at everybody, go, I don't know what I'm
doing here? How did I get here? And what am
I doing?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
But here's the thing. For you to be on your
show as long as you have been, there's gamesmanship to that,
whether there is you, whether you know what you're doing,
which I think you know exactly what you use.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Housewives is a game of chess, yes, for sure, right
you make this move, make this move, I say that,
you say that definitely. But Traders is different. How did
Traders compare to Big Brother?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
For you? So for me, it was much much quicker
and like what we were doing in the car, like
I got to know a lot about you, lot about
like family or like that's what I do, so I
will I'll play the play the whole game like that.
So I knew a lot about everyone and big brother
I got. I have all day to do that, and
when I need to, like tug on the right strings,
(08:13):
I do someone like you. I wouldn't have like done
that against because I'm like Tamer's never going to turn
on me. But so you identify those people. But that's
like I established long term relationships and then make the
move when I need to got it.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Now, would you go back.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
To I would do Traders for sure? Would you you
have to do it?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I would go back to Traders because I didn't have
the best experience and I really.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Wasn't six I was so sick six hours I was.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I was so sick, and then I ended up in
the hospital when I got home, Like it was a
whole mess.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
So let me this from like from your housewife community
when you were done, or I would probably say after
it aired, because it got so much buzz when it aired,
like were people reaching out to you from like Housewives
being like hey, like putting feelers out or what was
what was your like Housewives friends? What was their take
on what you did in the whole?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
You know, well, first of all, I couldn't say you
know you when you're murdered. You can't say anything or
do anything for until the show is completely over, so
I couldn't go back to regular life, Like I couldn't
do my podcast. I had to stay off social media
until the show is completely done. And at that point
when the show was completely done, I was in the
hospital for three days.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
What happened well, because.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I got so sick in Scotland. They put me on
some kind of antibiotics that was so strong that they
made inflammation in my intestines and I had like a blockage.
So I was feeling so sick and stomach pains and
I went to the hot and he's like, you're going
to the hospital. I go to the hospital and they're like, yeah,
you're being admitted. They're like you're gonna we're gonna put
a tube down your nose, We're gonna suck everything out,
(09:45):
and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Ew, That's one of the reason why I knew I
really liked you because I knew you were hurting, but
you still I was and You're like, I'm showing up
because well, Ihaedra.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Did me a favor because it was going to happen
eventually on these antibiotics that were way too strong for me,
and I got to go home. I was home for
a day or so and I was in the hospital.
So I would have ended up in the hospital in Scotland.
That would have been no fun at all. But I
would love to do a retake of it because now
I know how the game works, and I think that
(10:15):
I know I would be well, of course, and I
would have a lot more fun.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
But like the missis so when you went, because that's
to me, that's stepping outside like the Housewives bubble, And
in terms of what like a house would normally do,
what was their reaction to, like your friends on the
show and other show, other housewives shows, where they just like,
is there like jealousy because here you're on another show
and it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Sure, I mean, we definitely have a few people, like
on my cast that were like whatever, our Tammer gets everything,
she gets the commercials, she gets Ultimate Girl's Trip, and
I'm like, hey, sorry, sucks to be you, but.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
That's like the meta game, and I think we're kind
of leading this path. Is like, so you've been on
TV for seventeen is it seventeen.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Fifteen and seventeen years? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
So like to be that long the mainstay on a showing.
There's games and let's talk about it. They try to
get rid of me once, Well, tell me about that.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Well they fired me.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Why.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I don't exactly know when you when you get fired?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
How do you get Does Andy fire you?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
No, there's no, that's not like you go into a
room and there's a note on your chair and you
open it up and say you've been fired. It doesn't
work like traders. But I get a phone call. I
was camping at the time, and I didn't get a
lot of cell service, so I would drive up to
the main road every once in a while.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It was Bravo calling.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
They were calling production call and said, hey, just want
to let you know that the network has decided to
go in another way, another direction, And I go, what huh?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
And just for context, how many years had this been?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Twelve years?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
And I said, what do you mean? Well, you can
come back and do a certain amount of episodes and
then they will write you off and I'm like, nah,
I'm all or none.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
So does that mean like you wouldn't have had like
the or range.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
No, I would have just been like it.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, just why after twelve years they have to give
you a reason?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I think sometimes like they want to switch it up.
They want to change it up. They want to see
if maybe it didn't work without me?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Or can I ask you something?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Two questions, and I think I know that you weren't boring,
Like was did you have a boring storyline?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
No? I ended my last season and the bush is crying.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Okay. Second question, they had to be paying a lot
of money for the like yeah, someone like the camera.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, maybe that could have been it. That could have
been it. You never really know. But Andy gave me
a call and he said, listen, you're not going anywhere.
I mark my words. You'll be back.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
So like soon after you got that.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
So I thought, Okay, I have a year off. I'm
gonna have fun next year. Nope, he didn't call me back,
and then I started, oh my god. Then they gave
me did.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
You reach out? Like did you did you? Dm Andy
be like hey, like I'm still here, like the OC
ratings are going down, like I'm over here, I'm over here.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Hey No, And then I got then Andy called me
on my birthday and offered me Ultimate Girls Trip. So
I went on Ultimate Girls Trip and then I got higher.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Ok, yes, Ultimate Girls Trip did really well and it
was season two, just like Traders two that did very well.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
But is there a part of you that, like I
would want to know give me the real reason? Because
you take shows doing well, you take me off, show
doesn't do well, you put me back on show does
well again, So what was the reasoning? Did you piss
off like an executive pro kiss people?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Now? I'm very I have very good relationships with everybody
on the network, the production team, all that.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
I think I've just been on for a really long time.
They had let Vicky go and they had let Heather go,
and then I'm like, Okay, I guess it's my turn.
Nothing less forever. And I never thought about this as
a career. It's a job, it's a contract. So I'm
back and everything's good.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Let me ask you, so, what do you think without
being self aggrandizing, because you're not like that But what
do you bring to the table that that's like, Okay,
there's housewives that get cycled in and out there. You
see it for season two seats they're gone, but you're
still here. What do you think it gives me here?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I think because I'm open and I'm honest, I don't
play for the viewers. I speak my mind. I say
the things that everybody's thinking. And a lot of people
try to self produce. They don't want to be seen
in a bad light.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Do you mean self produced?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
They want to produce themselves in a way that maybe
they're not in normal life. They want everybody to like them,
They want the viewers to like them. And if that
doesn't work, it doesn't work like that. Just be your raw,
normal self and people love that. If you're going to
act or be fake it shows they always say the
cameras don't lie.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
When you get some pushback online from something you say,
does that bother you or at this point, like, how
do you handle that?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Sometimes it bothers me. Right now, I've been going through
a little bit of a mind because the show's airing,
Certain girls are doing press, and certain girls are just
out there just blatantly lying about me, and it makes
me want to comment about it. I have, I have commented,
but my turn to do press just happened and I
(15:17):
spoke my mind. So but just a Joe Schmoe from
Idaho that sends me dms like that he hates me,
don't really give a shit.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
So and this is where the gamesmanship comes from me, Like,
there's people on your show who are in the press
lying about you. Yeah, and it's clear yeah right, So
like what are they thinking that that's the truth is
not going to come out or you're not going to
be able to like give the receipts.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I give receipts, baby, I always have received They are
not thinking that's why they get called out. That is
why they get called out. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
So that's why I feel like, and I think it's
different for you because your your show, your life on
the show is a game, but it's not a game.
It's like it's like this we not unique blend of
like your life and everything's out there, but people are
treating it like a game.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Well, how did you get cast.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
In so a long long time ago? So when I
was a kid, I grew up and I saw Survivor.
I'm like, I love this, I want to go on it,
and I'm like, I'm not the outdoorsy type. So then
I saw a big brother and I'm like, Okay, it's
the same thing as Survivor, but just in a house.
So I sent in a VHS tape. You know what
that is. They don't know what VHS tape.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
You girls don't know what it is. But it's just like,
what's that?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And you know, it took me four years to get cast.
I made to like semi finals kind of learned the casting.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Were you gaming at that time? Were you a gamer?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
No? So, like I grew up with like playing games
as a kid, like sorry, Nintendo. But I just loved
like the fact that you have these adults and they're
taking like our lives are so serious, right, all the
serious stuff's going on, and you have this like ridiculous
game and all these adults are treating it like so important,
and I'm just like, this is so cool and to
(17:03):
be able to play that game would be really special.
And so it took me four years to get cast.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You just write a letter or send a pigeon.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I just kept sending tapes every year, and I'm just like,
there's no, like I'm gonna I'll keep applying until I
get on the show.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Is there any other game you'd want to be a
part of.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I don't think right now. And I think that's where
Traders was so unique, right, Like it was a fresh
game and like we didn't I didn't really know how
to play. You didn't like there wasn't all this strategy
already played out. But one of the shows I thought
was really cool to watch was Squid Games. Did you
ever ever see my husband did?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I couldn't get into it, Like.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
They put like four hundred people in this compound. Yeah,
it was just insanity. I'm like, this is really cool
and you see like different groups of people.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I mean, there's so many shows that open the door
for you know, just competition shows.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Across Let me ask you so because I don't know
your origin story because OC was the first one. Yes,
So what was there like a line at the mall
being there was? There was?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
It was, but I didn't go to that line of
the mall. It was actually a line at the Balboa
Bay Club, which you actually just saw in the first
two episodes of Orange County this season. That's where the
party was. That's also where I got baptized. So we
have a lot of a lot to do with the
Balboa Bay Club. There my girlfriend who lived next door
to me. Now this was two thousand and six. I
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had little little kids and married to Simon, and we
were drinking wine and she was in the house next
to me and do you remember I am AOL semester
semester on your computer name? Oh my god, I can't
even remember. Probably something obnoxious, she said. She sent me
the application and she says, hey, they're doing a casting call,
(18:48):
and I go, what. I don't even know what that
means for the Orange County.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Housewise my commercials and stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Now, well you know what, Dan, thank you for asking,
because when I was eighteen, I did a waterbed commercial.
A waterbed commercial.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
That sounds like something that would have played on Watch
What Happens Live? Did that ever? Has that ever leaked?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
No, it's never been shown. I don't even know where
it was. It was on a local television station in Glendora, California, Okay,
and I bought a water bed and then they called
me back and said would you mind being in our commercial?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Okay, that's that's your commercial.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
That's my extent of tea.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
So you weren't like actress? No, so what made you
compelled to like, oh let me do this casting?
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Oh maybe in a smart ass. So my girlfriend sends
me over the application for housewives. She goes they're doing
a cast and call at Balbo Bay Club. I said, well,
I had just gott into real estate, so I'm doing
an open house and coded cause it that day, so
I will not be there. But there was an online
application and I filled it out very obnoxious, you know,
just said obnoxious things. Didn't send a picture, didn't send
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anything in picture, nothing. And I got a phone call
the next day saying, hey, I saw your application. I'd
really like to interview you. And I'm like, what the
b And so I tell my husband at the time,
and I thought for sure because he's very controlling, and
he'd be like, no, we're not doing that, Like sure,
call them up. I'm like okay. So I called him up.
They came to my house. I did an interview. They
gave me a big stack of papers to fill out.
(20:07):
I never filled them out, never thought I had the chance.
They called me back, They're like, did you feel Mom
said no, like, can we come back? We want to
meet your husband, kids. Okay, met the husband and kids.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
So this play just like whatever because no one knows
that Housewives.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
No Housewives, well no there was. I came in season three.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Oh so there was two.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And they were kind of boring. It was very not
like it is today, but you know, it's what started everything.
And so I ultimately got cast on the show, and
I you know, I'm like, I don't know why you
want me, but here I am. And I really changed
Housewives as it is today. I came in feisty, calling
people out, and before it was a very sleepy show,
(20:46):
like just documenting like oh dinner with the girls, you.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Know, and yeah, I felt like I've seen like the
early episode.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah when the day that I screamed, did you got
a bas leg? Everything changed?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
So let me let me ask this. If you never
got that I am or that in some message, how
would your life be different? Like, I'm serious, have you
ever thought to like recollect and be like, let me
go down this alternate world where.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I think about that sometimes? And I really don't know.
I know for sure I would have gotten divorced from
my kid's father. I knew that was going to happen,
but I was in real estate, and real estate was
great back then, so I probably would have just jumped
on that or but I don't know. I always thought
that I was destined to do something in entertainment. You know.
When I was little, I would dream like I always
(21:29):
this is really mean, but I always thought of myself
as Maryland from the Munsters, like the whole families like
look like evil characters, and Marylyn was this pretty blonde girl.
That's sorry family Carolyn, the Munsters. It was like Frankenstein
looking down lady with long like black hair. And then
there was you, and then there was me. And I
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always felt like, you know, I always wanted bigger and better.
I always liked nice things. When I would dream, I
dreamed that I was living in a castle, like all
these things so crazy, and I don't know, I thought
that one day this mouth would get me somewhere, get
me or in jail. I wasn't sure one or the other.
And here we are today, but so many, you know,
(22:11):
early reality shows, and I don't even know if they
called them reality shows back then. I mean, I'm trading spaces.
I don't know if you remember that when I used
to love all that house decorating shows and things like that.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I watch like early Survive Like when Survivor I did
it was like super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, watch I watched that when it first
came out.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Did you ever think about applying for that? Because I could,
I could see you on that just as like a
complete one eighties.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I think that I was too, Like I was such
a stay at home mom and my kids were so
little and close in age, and I'm like, you know what,
I just I'm happy being at home. And you know,
I was a single mom for a long time with Ryan,
so being able to just stay home and have children,
I was very content.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Did you going on these shows? Did it not change
your personality but like force you to do like night
life stuff when you weren't doing it?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, for sure, for sure. Like when I started the show,
like I I had friends in the neighborhood, but I
did not go on girls trips. I did not go, hey,
you guys want to go to a happy hour? None
of that. I mean to be honest with you, I
don't do it now.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Well that's what was when we met. I'm like, you're like, yeah,
I'm kind of a homebody, Like really.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
No, no, I'm not kind of I am a homebody.
I am a homebody. I you know, sometimes I'm like,
get yourself out, you know, go do stuff. My husband
is more wanting to go out to dinner and do things,
and you know, I'm like, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Do you view when you have to go, like to
that club to shoot a scene you look at that
as work, like I need to go shoot this or
is it, hey, I'm going to hang out and some
stuff it?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
So you know what kind of both it's work depends
on who I have to go film with. But you know,
I have a good gig. I get paid to go
to lunch with people be yourself and be myself, so
it doesn't suck at all. But yeah, where do you
think you want to Is there any shows that you
wanted beyond other than this podcast?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You know? I mean I just think like if there's
a new game that comes out that it has to
be very special. Like to me, I knew The Traders
was going to be special. I knew the cast was
going to be amazing, and it's a new fun game.
I just for me to do another show, it just
can't be the same thing over and over. And this
is like an example of like doing this, Like I
don't want to go do another reality TV podcast. I
(24:25):
just don't want to do that. But like you pair
me with you, I'm like, okay, this is unique diff
you're from.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
You got the gamer in the housewife, gamer in the housewife. Now,
how long has it been since you were on Big Brother?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
So last time I was on Big Brother was twenty
twelve and so but since then, like probably every year,
every other year, I would get pitched a reality show
where there's amazing race, you know something.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And I'm just like, I just like I tried out
for amazing race.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Good, yeah, me my amazing race and that survivor or
Big Brother.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Well it just kind of fell on our laps and
Teddy and I were going to do it together. So recently, yeah,
this is like two years ago, I think, and we
went through the entire process and they did not pick us.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Really no, was it conflict of interest or I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
We never got a reason why. I probably passed. I
didn't pass a psych evaluation. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
That would be great TV. Is there has there ever
been a when you do something like that, like because
I know Bravo and Peacock are aligned. Yeah, if you do,
can you do stuff outside of that?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
We have to get permission. And I do have Amazing
Race carved out of my contract because I had talked
to them after that and they were interested in having
me and Eddie do the show together.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I probably would have felt more comfortable doing it with
Eddie because some of that stuff that you have to
do in a foreign country, like I'd rather have a man,
and Teddy's just not manly enough. I mean, I know
she has that deep voice, but she's just not masculine
enough for me.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Is Andy the Kingsmaker? Is he the one that signs
off me like yep, tam, or you can do this
or no?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Probably really yeah? Probably over at Bravo, they're the ones
that sign off. So we have then we have a
production company, and then.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
He's got He's probably an interesting story how he like
worked his way up, like he runs that network.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I know he's a he's a very busy man, not
to mention he's got podcasts and radio shows, but.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Talk about gamesmanship. There's like to work your way up
to the head of a company that isn't like like,
I'm sure he likes you know that he was on.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Got Sex in the City. He was he was on
Sex in the City. Yeah, it was like that's to
this day him and Sarah Jessica Park are really good friends.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
But was that before he was like Andy Cohen.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yes, he was like very very young. He had this
big head of curly hair and he was I can't
remember what he did because.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
First time I saw m he hosted this it was
just I mean it was called Battle of the Network
Stars and they brought these reality TV personalities together for
this competition show and it was like super low budget.
But I think he hosted it. And that was like
right around the time when Bravo turned from like you know,
like Bravo was boring before. Yeah, and then it was
like he'd.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
When they had just career ire for the straight Guy
or something like that. Very yeah, yeah, Tabitha's takeover something
like that. Well, there's so many amazing reality competition shows
out there, and we want to talk to every single contestant.
Now Big Brother is airing right now, right, yes, yes,
now are you watching?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
So this is probably going to rub some people the
wrong way, but who better to be on a couch
with rubbing people the wrong way? Here's my take on
Big brother Big Brother has become. When I played it,
it was like the nicest person didn't win, Like it
was just whoever played hard. There would be like people.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Crying over didn't you win? But you step in your.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
But like so, so that's how it used to be,
and I don't want to be this like, oh it
used to be this way. But now it's like they're
on camera twenty four to seven, so people are hyper
aware of everything they say and they do. So now
it's like they're playing two games. They're playing the social
media game. Yeah, and then so that will impact how
people make moves in the house. So like, well, I
don't want to go after Tammer because I know everyone
(28:01):
on social media is gonna love tamor well guess what
if the right move is to go after you, that's
the right move. And so I've seen like the game
and it's I think it was just inevitable with the
rise of social media. It's like you have people who
go on there to play, like probably like housewives play
to the cameras. They're not there to play the game.
They're not there to be real like people love you.
I like watching you because like now I see it
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like you're on TV, that's who you are in real life.
I don't want to see like, you know, robots and
fake people and so so.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
You feel like it's just a little bit too fake now.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, and I just think it's it's no one's fault
you're not watching. No, I'll watch the finale because to me,
that's always like someone busted their tail for an entire.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Summing and it's no longer. They were doing celebrity. Yeah,
our very own teddy.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah what she say about it? What did she?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
She was very sure she got kicked off. She's very opinionated,
and I think that's one of those things where they're like, okay,
get on. Yeah, so she we were kind of bombed.
I was the first time I ever really watched Big Brother.
I had a viewing party, you know, because I couldn't
talk to her. Yeah, they take your phone away.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Right, Yeah, you have nothing, no phone Internet. It's like
I mean, it is. I would love to see you
in that environment because the walls come in very quickly.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Like very you're actually on a set, right, you're a
closed set, and do you get to go outside?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
There's like an outdoor, but imagine this is it and
they're like the ceilings cut out.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Oh my god, I was. I just did pressed the
other day and I don't remember what studio is at,
but it was where they were filming Big Brother, and
they were saying that they have to put higher screens
around the outside area. That's right. They had to put
these big, dark screens because there was a housing department
on the either side, and they would scream down and
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give it away.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
People are not Yeah, people are us. People fly like
planes over they'll like rent a plane or pay for
a plane with a message, and holy hell. The thing
I always loved about Big Brother is there was always
a wide diversity of house guests from age everything. And
I feel like the past couple of years and I
think this year, like they put an older woman on there,
which I think makes it more fun.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Older like my age, you're young, you're in your form,
but like no I'm not.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
But like it got to like, okay, here's twenties, the thirties,
but the hits makers the entertainers were like the crazy
like sixty year old lady, the seventy eight year old
dude losing his mind. I mean, so it's just it
kind of got away from that so we'll see. I mean,
it's I think the show is so dependent on the cast,
and I think if you can get a cast in
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there that doesn't care about social media, that's when it's
great television.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Is there any newer competition shows that you're watching, Like
there's like a House of Villains.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
I watched the one that really grabbed me outside of
Traders with Squid Games, because it's just something new. It's like,
I love the show. So there's a fiction show about
these people fighting for their lives and the winner got
four million dollars and then they recreated that almost like
scene for scene.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
But four million dollars is worth fighting for, I know.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
But like, but you got to think, like a typical show,
you see like fifteen twenty people competing. They had like
hundreds of people on a show, and I'm like, this
is new, this is cool that there's this competition where
there's this glass bridge and like one step, one block,
like shatters you fall thirty feet the next magic of television.
(31:17):
But so you see these people like Tammer, you go
first know you and it's like that's what I want
to see. I want to see people in these like
tough environments having to make game decisions. And I think
a lot of these games, like even Big Brother and Survivor,
it's been on for so long so people know exactly
what to expect. We're like something like Traders, We're kind
of like figuring it out now. I would expect the
(31:38):
next season of Traders, people are going to know, Okay,
here's how Dan messed up. Let me not do that.
There's a lot of things. No, we had, you know,
Suri and like the Civilians in the first season, like
they didn't know what they were doing. You know. No.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I like it that it's all celebrity people that's on it.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Which can we randomly talk about? You and Deontay are
from the same hometown? I know?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Is that crazy? Who knew that Deontay lives in Glendora, California,
where I grew up. I was like when I met
him for the first time, I'm like, oh, where are
you from? He's like Glendor. I'm like, no, you're not.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
You're so bizarre because I was there. I'm like, what,
let's talk.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
About Johnny Bananas?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
He does he not like you? Well, I'm okay, I'm cool,
but I'm gonna tell you this. This is what I heard,
so here's like tea for everyone, and I'm sure that's tea.
But I heard he was supposed to be in season three,
and you you know that I did to the little
like you know him as much as I know me,
maybe no more. This dude lives for reality TV, like
this is his life.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
And his career. He's a career reality TV competition.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
So then I heard he's not doing it, and I'm like,
I dug a little bit. I asked him, like why
isn't he doing it? And so, I mean, that's just
he didn't expect it. So I reached out to him like, hey,
like are you okay, because for him not to do that,
it's like, hey, you're not breathing oxygen. And he never
spinned him. I was genuinely just wanted to do yeah,
I guess, but I wanted to check out him because
(32:59):
like if someone not doing their favorite things, well, he
just DMed.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Me and said we need to get together soon. So
he lives pretty close to me. Okay, he lives in
Fuller ten, so he lives pretty close.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I mean, I don't take it personal, you know, I like.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
I but I feel like somebody like him that is
like a career competitor.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I guess you call him.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
He takes things very serious and I don't remember what
your guys beef was.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
No, he was just mad that I voted him out
or that I took him out first. That was it.
I didn't like slander him, But.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
I think if he went back to Traders, I think
it would happen again, probably because people would be afraid
of him because he's so good at what he does.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Well, that's the thing, if someone spends their whole life
doing the same thing over and over again, Like, why
do I want to go up against someone? Why do
you want to go against someone who's been doing this
for fifteen years in a row.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
EMCT he made it all the way to the end.
I'm surprised somebody didn't get rid of him. I didn't
know you're worried about me, little sick me.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I knew who CT was. I didn't know he was.
He was like considered the babe Ruth of the challenge.
I didn't know that. That was just like a really
dynamic and.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Johnny been working together for years. So no, you're gonna
say that Bananas won't be on our podcast anytimes.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
No, I would love to talk. I have no And
that's the thing like to me, like I will play
like if we're playing Monopoly, you're gonna hate me in
the game. I'm gonna do everything I need to. But
when it's over, like, I'm cool. I just want to
talk about like do people other housewives come to you
and be like, Okay, help me, let me ask you
Just has anyone ever and any housewife I could be
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on any season come to you and be like, hey,
what do you think? What can I do? Yes?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, it happens all the time. Usually what happens is
a first season housewife will reach out to me and say,
you know, I really love you. You've been on the
show for a long time. Do you have any advice
for me?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
How do you will? You can? I can? I guess
how you take that? I bet you you're flattered and
then you actually really genuinely try to help them.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I do absolutely, let me ask before you answer.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
What you say to what other people on your cast?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Do that? No?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
No, no?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
And I do that to almost every new cast member
that comes on the show. I will tell them like listen,
you know, just be yourself, don't lie, you know, just
be authentic, be open and you're gonna be fine. That's
all you can do. And if you're they don't find
you interesting enough, then it's not that bad being normal.
It's not that bad, you know, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Is that? Like is that the kiss of death though,
is if they don't like you or if they don't
remember you for sure? So yeah, So when you say that,
isn't there an element of like be yourself but like
you can do this to be memorable? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
I mean yeah, But you know, when new people come
into this, they there the show's been on for so
long that they're like, I don't know what I'm supposed
to do. Or they come in and go, well, I'm
going to do what this girl did and I'm going
to act like that and I'm going to be this,
and they already have it all planned out in their head,
you know, And and that doesn't work. We don't want
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somebody that's prerehearsed coming in and scram everything up for
the show. So I have to ask you a question,
what do you think the secret to success in life is?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Well, I think that's a very personal question. So I
will give my answer, but I want to hear your
answer to me, I feel like success is doing what
you want as much as you humanly possibly can. You know,
So for me, what does that mean? That means I
get to control my schedule. I get to be part
of cool projects and do things that I like while
also being present for my children and my wife and
(36:37):
being able to do all that you know, coach little league,
do that stuff. That's success for me? What is success
for me?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I agree with that, and I also want to say, like,
to me, success is not measured by how much money
you have in your bank, or what kind of car
you drive, what kind of you know job you have.
I think success is doing something that you really really
enjoy doing every single day and having just being happy
and having a loving family and all those things. Money
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comes and goes. Don't even care about that, you know.
I don't want to be like, oh, but you know,
I'm a social climber and I'm successful. I don't buy
into that stuff.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
When you say getting to do what you love to
do every day, what does that mean for tamor like,
what do you love to do for me? Like?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
You know, I I didn't go to college out of
high school. I got my manicuring license. I did nails.
Then later in life, I got my real estate license,
so it's always looking for something to do when I
and I did that because I love houses, I love
decorating houses, I love everything to do with it. So
every day that I was selling houses, I enjoyed it.
Then when I got on reality TV, I had no
(37:41):
idea what I was getting myself into, but I really
enjoyed it, and I really liked it, and I really
liked that I had a set schedule that you know,
these days are months I'm in a film, this is
I'm gonna do press, and you know, then I do
this and then we have a few months off and
I do it all over again. I was able to
be with my kids for the majority of time. I
didn't have to get up at six and the Moe
drive to work and be gone all day long and
(38:02):
miss everything and come back. So I that to me
was a success because I was able to be there
for my children, for my husband and all that. Just
hard working and happiness really, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
You have a lot going on. You have a CBD company,
you have a million podcasts, you have the two houses,
I know million You talk about at some point the
house that you've fixed up because it plays into what
you're just talking about. So it sounds like for you,
what you love to do is like if you see
something you want to do, whether it's a company you
want to start, podcasts, a house you want to renovate,
you just have the capacity to do that when you
(38:36):
want to do it.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yeah, and I have the drive to do it for me, like,
if I put my mind to do something, I'm going
to do it, and I'm going to do I'm going
to kill it. And I have and of course I've
had failures, but your failures are what teaches you to
be stronger and to keep going. And I feel like,
you know, for this girl that didn't end up going
to college, I'm doing pretty damn well. Although my youngest
daughters like, mom, why do I have to go to college?
(38:58):
You didn't go to college, And look at.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
You, I mean, what do you say that.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
I said, listen, you're right, You're absolutely right, And I'm
not forcing my child to go to college. I said,
I think that. Well, I let her take a gap
year and she's like, oh, this sucks, like and I said,
you know, it's not fun to adult. So I if
I were you, I would take the opportunity to go
to college. You got four years your brother living his
best life. I'm paying his rent. You know, he's over
(39:24):
there in Fullerton, cal State Fullerton. He just actually graduated.
And you know, living you learn a lot that way.
You just learn just basic life skills.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I don't want to get sentimental here on you, But
do you think there'll be a day when you're like,
this is it? This is my last season. I'm going
to like do you want to call your shot when
you go out?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
You do? Yeah, like the farewell tour, like this is it?
Like do you think do you think you'll hit a
point where you're like, Okay, I'm done, or do you
think you want to go until No.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I think that there's going to be a day that
I'm going to be done. I don't want to be
sixty years old and fighting with women on a reality show.
But I also think that I've been on reality for
so long that stuff is just going to come my way. Anyways,
even if I were to go, and who knows, like
nothing's promised, I could lose my job next season and
(40:12):
I would be perfectly fine. I've already had the firing
a couple of years back that you know what it sucked,
but once you get hurt like that, it just never
stings the same again.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
But I think that's what makes you such an iconic
reality TV personality, is like you don't have to have
this right like you. I think you see people on
TV and competition shows are like they have to, like
they're so desperate and like it comes off as like inauthentic,
like when you say like I'm good tomorrow, like I
think everyone listening myself include believes it, like you've had
a great.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
I've had a great run. I mean I was saying
I want to quit any time standards. I don't get
the kid. I'm not putting that message out there, but
I think when the day comes, like I'm going to
live a really happy life because at the end of
the day, I have a really happy life and I
have a really good life, and I'm very busy, and
you know, we're in the middle of doing a new
new business, so self defense business. It's basically what it
(41:06):
sounds like.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
It's we go.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
It's mostly run by simulations, so they will teach you
like virtual like virtual so it is it has tacticals
involved in it, although there's no guns, but there's they're
not actual real guns.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
What is tactical like a fake gun?
Speaker 1 (41:23):
It's gone just tactical just a I.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Don't know, elain like a BB gun. Is it like?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
No, it's actually you go into a room. They're going
to give you different scenarios on the screen where you
are taught to carry a firearm and what the proper
way of doing that. And you go into the screen
and you can be a situation you're getting carjacked, or
you're getting you're in a shooting in the mall or
anything like that teaches you things that you would never
(41:49):
probably ever experience, but you could nowadays. There's the just
a self defense part where they were you're being taught
to defend yourself, not like full jiu jitsuything like that,
but the basics.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Have you gone through it?
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yes, I've gone through it? If like yeah, But it's
like a membership base where you go a couple of
times a week where you learn, like I'm putting my
daughter through it. I want to put my son. He's
fighting me on it, but I want to put my
son through it just because you know, there's a woman
the other day that was at the mall elderly woman
and she was robbed from from behind and then killed
and there's just techniques that you can learn that might
(42:25):
have saved her life. And it's it's just an amazing concept.
So it's yeah, it's kind of like a video game.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
How did that's real? Quick? How did that's like? Where
did that come from?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
We were approached by these people, this this guy. I
don't know both of them. I knew one and we
were talking. I go, oh my god, I'd really want
to invest in something like that. And he's like, well,
I brought the rights for all of California, so if
you want to get in it, and so we said, yep,
let's do it.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
That's exciting. Yeah, that's very cool.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
So yeah, so that's another video game of life, trying
to stay alive, Stay Alive.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
We kind of talked about it, but I'm going to
I want you to get specific. So you've made a
name for yourself, right, like like if you close, if
I close my eyes and I think of housewives, I
see you in like maybe two or three others, and
I'm like, I'm like a passive you know, like Bravo fan.
Like I would say, like like.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
When you're passing in the hallway and your wife has
it on.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Yeah, like yeah, like I'm like a normy, Like I'm
not going to bravokon and things like that. You know,
So what do you think has made you stand out
over the other people that have come and gone, come
and gone, Like I guarantee like when you when you
go to Bravo Khan, like you're one of the people
that you don't need a name. Everyone knows who you are,
(43:33):
whether they watch OC or not.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I think I think my Ranas really captures people and
saying what most people are thinking but they don't have
the balls to say it, and calling out people when
they are lying. And you know, and I'm not afraid
of making an ass out of myself. You know, you've
seen me drunk on TV.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Any moments like that you're maybe proud of or not
proud of that have like stood.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Oh, there's a ton of like what well, I mean,
you know, there was a bathtub scene I'm not very
proud of. But there's also scenes like you know, my
granddaughter was born on camera. I was baptized on camera.
I was proposed to on camera. I got married on camera.
You know, I have like Eddie's grandma that's ninety eight
years old right now, was on camera and you know
she's not going to be around for much longer and
(44:19):
we have her, you know, yeah, on camera.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
So there's a there's a lot about any one liners
or like famous sayings, like we were talking about one
in the holidays, Judge. Yeah, I'd asked my wife what
the story was that.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Yeah, I mean I've had quite a few. I mean
one of my favorites is is you're ass jealous of
the shit that comes out of your mouth? And the
girl responded yes because she didn't know what I was
talking about.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Was that premeditated or was that on the spot? Like
had you thought of that line before?
Speaker 1 (44:44):
I had thought I had heard that line before. And
there's just one girl that was just so full of
shit and she was just talking. I'm like, oh my god,
this is a perfect opportunity. That's my opinion. Was something
that I never thought would be as popular as it is.
Just never seems to go away. But but you know,
there's always stuff that's coming out of my mouth that
is it keeps on going, It just keeps on going.
(45:07):
Well down. It was so great to catch up and
to finally get this podcast off the ground. We have
been struggling. The last time you came out we were
supposed to do I got sick, And now here we are.
I am so excited. I hope that we're going to
be able to do a little recap on Traders as well,
because I feel like that's going to be coming out soon.
I'm so so excited. People love Traders. It's up for
(45:30):
an Emmy.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Awesome. I know, good job.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
I don't know. I didn't do much.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
You're a part of the catch. No, I'm excited. I
think we have a lot of great guests coming through.
I think I am just so excited to get a
chance to talk to them, but also see your perspective
on some of these reality TV winners that you may
not be familiar with. And I want to see how
you approach him, because we're just coming at this from
two very different angles, Oh for sure. And I like,
I always love having a front seat to like fireworks
(45:57):
in great entertainment, and I think I think that's coming
down the road happening.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
So you guys tune in. We're going to have our
first guest, which is Max w was on Traders with
us and dancing with the stars. We'll see you soon.
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