Talking A Big Game: Trishelle Cannatella (Traitors)

Tamra and Dan interview one of the winners of Traitors Season 2... Trishelle Cannatella! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, everybody. I'm Tamara Judge and I'm Dan Gestling, and
you're listening to Talking a Big Game. Hey, guys, welcome
to another episode of Talking a Big Game with myself, Tamor.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Judge Anne dan geesing. Excited to be here, Tamra, what's
going on? Like something happened?

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Well, as you can see, my eyes are a little
bit swollen. I can't really see that well, so I
might be putting those glasses on.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Are you boxing? What do you do? What happened?

Speaker 1 (00:26):
No, it's not even that exciting. I had an allergic reaction
to my makeup yesterday for the Green screen, and I
woke up this morning with both my eyes crusted shuts,
so I have no makeup on.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Is it new makeup?

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Nah?

Speaker 3 (00:41):
You know what it is.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Every once in a while there's like glitter found, like
an eyeshadow that I can't tolerate, and they must have
shod Chelsea must have used it and woke up today
with blurry vision and my eyes glued shut, So bear
with me. I got my readers here, my old lady
glasses just in case I need them. But you know
who's not an old lady. That's our next guest. That's

(01:03):
our next guest. Now, this is one of our fellow traders.
In fact, she was a trader. No, she wasn't a trader,
was she?

Speaker 3 (01:11):
She wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Why did I think she was?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
He was a trader to me?

Speaker 1 (01:14):
But she was a trader to you, Not to me though, No, no,
And that's Trachelle Cantonella. I was reading her bio and
I was like shocked. I didn't know she was a
playboy model.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Did you know? Like we had talked about it in
the house in uh, in.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
The I guess I conversation. I need to see I
need to see pictures. But Trischelle is an American reality
TV contestant, playboy model, actress, and known for appearances on
MTV reality television series The Real World, Las Vegas, The
Real World spin off The Challenge, and also appeared on
other realities to shows such as Surreal Life, Kill Reality, Punk,

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Fear Factor, The Traders, Below Deck Mediterranean being her most recent.
She's also made appearances on TV ads, music videos, Post Nude,
and Playboy Magazine, appeared in a horror film Was That Traders?
That's kind of a horror film, and compete successfully in
celebrity poker tournaments.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, so I mean I'm all in on Bravo, So like,
how how does that crossover happen? I can't wait to hear,
Like how do you she like chartered a yacht? Is
she just bawling?

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Or like yeah so so they you know you have
you seen below Deck before?

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, okay, Well she was one of those people that
chartered that yacht and and you do have to charter them.
You do have to pay.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
That's what I'm trying to learn, Like what was the
process is it?

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Just like how does she have to We'll have to
ask her. I was actually asked to do it one
year instead I did Ultimate Girls Trip, so I didn't
get to do it. But it always sound like a.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Wait, what do you mean?

Speaker 2 (02:47):
You were at you were asked to go on below
deck and they're like saying you have are you have
to charter this?

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Or like hey, we're chartering this for you. You just come on.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
There is a charge as a guest that goes on there.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
I feel like they should be paid you.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
That's what I said. That was the argument I said,
But you know what it is, what it is, and
they get a lot of people to do it. And
it looked like a lot of fun. So let's ask
her how her experience with you.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Do you think it's uncouth to ask her how much
it was? Like? Can you ask her that? I feel
like that uncouth?

Speaker 4 (03:18):
No?

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Okay, now I have no idea. I know you're like,
you may be used to like chartering private. Yes, that's
being from the I.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Don't have private, dude, that doesn't happen in my lifestyle.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
I can write and do a duffy voat what's what's
a duffy voat.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
One of those like little tiny boats that I don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Isn't it like air?

Speaker 1 (03:41):
It's like electric ant.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
I'm gonna ask her.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
I'm gonna ask her, if not for me, but for
the people wondering like me and you like, how much
does that cost?

Speaker 1 (03:51):
I know, I mean it's also a discounted rate, but
it's still I think I'm wondering if maybe the money
goes towards the the tip at the end, because you know,
when you chart y'all like that there's a giant tip
that it has to be.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
I don't know. I just know from watching the show.
And then they complain about all this person's gonna be
a good tip and this person's not. But yeah, I'm
excited to hear like behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
We have Trishelle, can I Tella? Hey, hey, it's every
union it is. You look amazing.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Thank you? So do y'all?

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Oh, thank you. I have to excuse my swollen eyeballs.
I had an allergic reaction to my glam yesterday for
the green screen. Woke up with christy eyeballs.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
So that's horrible. I know, I know, I can't see
it from here. You look great good.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
I might have to throw my glasses on here and there.
But how are you?

Speaker 4 (04:44):
I'm good. I've just been so busy and you have.
I was traveling a lot and now I'm kind of
like just done traveling, so I'm kind of just getting
back into the swing of things at home. So yeah,
I'm really happy.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Can you define a lot?

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Because I'm on Instagram every day in your story like
you're in seventeen different countries in three and a half weeks,
I'm like, what is going on?

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Well, I'm actually going to Barcelona again, like uh what
in two weeks, but only for a week to play poker.
But and then after that I'm done traveling.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
I want to hear about your poker. We'll get to
that in a minute, but we just went I was
just reading your bio. You've done a lot of reality shows,
but one I this is a reality show. But something
I didn't know about you You were a Playboy model.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yeah, I did Playboy. How old were you I was,
Let's see, I was probably twenty four or twenty five.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Maybe have those pictures like hanging in your house?

Speaker 4 (05:41):
No, no, not at all. My family was. My family's
so conservative they were freaking out about it. But you
know what, Like I paid off my student loans, I
paid off my car. I was able to, you know,
pay off a lot of things. And so to me,
it was just a job, Like I do things. It's
a job to me. It's not like, oh I want
to go in to like go to the Playboy mansion

(06:03):
every weekend, which I went a couple of times.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
But yeah, what was that? Like what was what? Like
the mansion is now like defunct, right, it's no longer
a thing.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
Yeah, it's not a thing anymore.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Was it as wild as people said? It was? Like
this is my glimpse into like I'm like a just
an everyday guy, and you like lived in this world.
What was it like?

Speaker 4 (06:22):
It was pretty wild. I mean I've only went a
couple of times. They used to always invite me to
like the Sunday night movie nights or whatever they used
to do with Half and it that wasn't my scene,
to be honest. So I didn't really go to all
that stuff. But I would go like bigger parties.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
I mean, you didn't want to lay in bed with
Half and watch movies. Yeah, I see, I was not.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
I was not that stuff.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
I went to Playboy Mansion one time, but it wasn't
like like something like that. It was just a big
party that was going on outside, not even inside. It
was outside by like the grotto and all that stuff.
But I thought it was really cool. It was like
when I first started on TV, it was probably twenty eleven,
and I thought I was pretty dawn cool to be
able to go to the Playboy mansion.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
It's true. And you could see all the animals. I
mean he had like monkeys there and everything, and so
you walk around the property. It's iconic, really, and so yeah,
I thought that was kind of fun.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, speaking iconic, you've had You've been in reality TV
since like the heyday, like when it was, you know,
the first of its kind, and you've been in it,
You've done so many things. What have you noticed that's
been the biggest change from the early days of MTV
where like essentially, you know, you and I have talked
like you couldn't walk in you couldn't go anywhere, Like
your life was completely upended with people, pictures, all that stuff.

(07:43):
How it's transformed, Like what have you seen personally in
the transition from the early.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Days to now so much?

Speaker 4 (07:49):
I mean, okay, first off, social media. Whenever I first
started doing television, it was message boards MTV message boards,
so it wasn't in your face all the time. So
we choose to go to the message board, which we
had to do every once in a while just for
you know, pr reasons, but you didn't have to you
didn't open it up every day. So that's a huge thing.

(08:10):
But also on the other end, I missed the boat
on sponsorship deals, Instagram followers, TikTok, all this sudden stuff,
So I never made money like that. I really really
missed that boat. So yeah, I wish in some ways
that they had social media back then.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, when we get you on a housewives show, you'll
get all those sponsorships.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Maybe I don't know. I mean, they have been talking
about New Orleans Housewives for so long. I'm not sure
I've been hearing. I was interviewed once, but not again.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
I'm all for it. Yeah, I'm all for it. Like
when you started reality TV, what year was it.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Two thousand and two.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Oh, that was even earlier than me. I think I
started two thousand and eight. We had MySpace. Yeah, we
had MySpace, which is pretty dawn cool. I thought at
the rist.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Time friendster my Space.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
I never did friends stir, but MySpace was my jam
for sure.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Did you both have castmates in your top eight on MySpace?
Or were they just like family and friends.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
I like you to be able to play music on
your MySpace.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Oh yeah, I missed that. And then if you switched
around the order of your top eight, it was like
very like people get mad about it. You can always
tell who was on your ship list by the order
in which they.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Were Chrischelle, you are literally an icon when it comes
to reality TV, especially in the competition world. What influenced
you to audition for your very first show and how
did that happen?

Speaker 4 (09:41):
How to go down so I was in college. I
had I was in my last semester at Southern miss
and I was a sorority girl, you know, the whole thing.
But I've always been competitive and it played sports my
entire life. And I heard something on the radio that
was an advertisement for a show called Loss in the USA,
and it was a cop petition show going around the

(10:02):
country doing you know, different games and everything, and it
was like, you could win fifty thousand dollars and that
was it. And back in you know, two thousand and one,
that was a lot of money for me. I had
about that in student loans, and so I was like, Oh,
I'm going to audition for the show and I'm going
to go on and I'm gonna win. I just thought
it was so easy. I auditioned for the show, I

(10:23):
got cast for the show, but then it got canceled.
And so a couple months later, my phone rings from
the same production company and they were like, did you
ever think about doing the Real World? And I was like,
I've watched it, but I never thought that I could
be on it. I'm just some normal girl from Mississippi
and or from Louisiana going to college in Mississippi. And
so that's sort of how the ball got rolling.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
No regrets, regrets, any regrets. No, no, don't.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
I don't live like that. No.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
I So after you're on your first show and it's
a huge hit, you know, your life definitely changes at
that point. Did you foresee like the rest of your
career like that you'd always have this presence on reality TV?

(11:16):
Or like when you got off the show, what was
what did you want to do next?

Speaker 4 (11:21):
So I wanted to just move to LA and have fun.
I didn't want to like make money or do anything.
I just kind of wanted to, Like, I had gotten
a job waiting tables. I found my roommates on Westside
Reynolds dot com. I was a very normal girl because
at the time when I moved to LA, my show
hadn't started airing yet. It was kind of delayed, and

(11:41):
we had three months between the last when we lived
in Vegas and then it started airing, so I didn't
know how big it was going to be. So I
just got a job waiting tables, and then the show
started airing and I couldn't wait tables anymore because my
manager basically fired me because I was getting recognized so much.
I could not wait my tables, and so I was like,
all right, this is the.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Thing that's a true problem. Like I always say that
to housewives. It's like, find a career. If you don't
have a career while you're on Housewives, find something that
you can make money, start a business, because when you're
done with reality, you can't just go work at Nordstrom.
You can't go wait tables.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
Like yeah, it was. It was really hard, and so
I couldn't even do that. I couldn't even wait tables.
So my dad was like, oh God, how are you
going to make money? You know, he was all stressed
out about me to be in twenty two living in
LA and we started to do appearances that was whenever
bar appearances just had started, and we started traveling a lot,
doing like MTV spring Break, and then I got asked

(12:41):
to do a challenge and they were like, whoa, she's
kind of athletic. And I had gotten really messed up
on that show. So I had to leave. But I
was like, pretty hard, poor you.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Got physically hurt.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Yeah, I flipped over a mountain bike until you're ride
on a mountain and cracked my helmet in a half
two black eyes, messed up my face? Oh shit, it
was really really really gnarly accident.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Now that you're okay, now, did they get that on?
Is that on camera?

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Wants to know? Can we see it?

Speaker 4 (13:10):
No? And you know what, they were so pissed about it.
They were like, this is why cameras need to be
on them all the time. This is the time off day.
Challenges used to have off days. They don't anymore because
so much crazy stuff would happen when the cameras were down,
So they quit doing that. So you now the cameras
are twenty four to seven on you.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
How did they address your departure on the show? Did
they show you like messed up?

Speaker 4 (13:31):
And oh god, yes, I had two black eyes. It's
on the internet. I will send you that picture. I
look like Sloth from the Goonies. Like my whole head
was so messed up. It was crazy. I looked crazy
and I didn't care. I was like, well, at least
my whole face was sould and I was like, it
looks enough to put on makeup for my interviews anymore.
But I stayed and competed after I was messed up,

(13:52):
because you did. Yeah, I tried, But then they were like,
you can't. I was all bandaged and they were doing
stuff and water and a trooper. Yeah. I tried hard.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
But do you have something coming up next? Are you
going any new anything you would talk about?

Speaker 4 (14:08):
Like, No, I don't have any shows coming up next.
But I have been like kind of well, I mean,
they asked me to do two challenges since the Traders,
and I said, Noah.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Is it true that they asked you the challenge? What
was it? Forty? Yeah, forty with CT and Johnny Yah,
they didn't and you said no.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
Yes, because I was just like I heard that it
was just going to be so hardcore and it was
going to be in Thailand, and I wasn't sure our
Vietnam actually one of the two. I just wasn't sure
what the conditions were going to be. And I'm too
spoiled now, like the living conditions mean a lot to me,
and my privacy means a lot to me. I can't

(14:46):
go back to that life anymore, especially after doing Traders.
I feel like I was spoiled with reality TV.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Is there good money to be made in the challenge?

Speaker 4 (14:55):
Yeah, you can. You can make good money. You get
paid to go and then you you know can win
a lot of money, but honestly, Tamra, I'm I'm at
the point of my life where I don't. It's not
that important to me. I don't need Yeah, husband, my
husband does well. We have different businesses, you know, we
have properties. I don't need the challenge money. And for me,

(15:16):
I have to be happy when I'm filming something to
do well. So I won't even waste anyone's time to
go on a challenge and devote myself off the first day.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Would you do big Brother?

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yes, I would. Oh cool, because it's more cozy, right,
it is.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Very cozy, but mentally it's very it's a grind, you know.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
I think you would. I think you do very, very well.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
I just laugh because you're saying, like, you know, you're
spoiled from the traders. And for people that didn't experience
that compared to the challenge, can you explain how Peacock
was different than MTV in particular in your experience.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Oh, they spoke to you like humans and life care
about you. It was just completely different. I love production.
I thought that they were awesome. We did have breaks,
we had off days. They fed us, you know when
they should. They treated us you know, well, as far
as mental health goes, they had like a person that

(16:13):
you know.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, that was crazy. I've never experienced that before. People
checking in with you all the time to check on
your mental health.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
What do they do in the challenge?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Then if they're talking like feeding you all the time,
that's like a human need.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
There's a lot of basic human needs that are not
met on challenges. That's why people are so miserable, like.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Well, like like just give us one like, just give
us one thing.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
You're like, I can't believe this happened, or this is happening,
or this happened to me, to.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
Me, okay, personally, Uh, there was a challenge that I
I cut my foot the very first sign I was
there because two guys got into a physical altercation and
a glass was broken and the glass was in the
pool and I was swimming in the pool like living
my life with a glass of wine. Cut my foot
so bad. I was like, oh my god. I lifted
my foot out of the pool, just just blood going everywhere.

(17:00):
I was like, can someone help me? Can someone help me?
Someone gives me a dirty towel that ten people have
already used, put some on my foot and I'm asking
for medical attention. They didn't even have like a medical
person there. Finally, hours later, some medical person shows up,
but there's thirty five people in the house. By the way,
you drinking, you should have someone from medical like there.

(17:21):
So anyway, somebody shows up. She's just like, I think
you're fine. She didn't speak English very well. Long story short,
no medical attention. Three days later, my foot's infected. It's red.
Traveling on the other country, all the things that we
do in the challenge are basically a dirty water. So
I go. They finally bring me the hospital, but I

(17:42):
had to beg to be seen. Go to the hospital,
She's like, you are past the point to give you stitches.
They gave me a tet and a shot, and then
they tried.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
To like like have to cut the foot off.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
She was like, you cannot get it wet at all, Like,
don't get it wet. You need to let it heal.
And then I got in a huge fight with the producer.
We both told each other to go f ourselves, screaming
at each other in front of people in a lobby
because I didn't want to do the challenge over water.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Jesus, you would never find that in Bravo or Peacock.
I've worked for both of them quite a few times.
And there's medical there's I mean even on Housewives, if
I go ride my motorcycle, they have like a medic
there where I'm at. There's people that follow you like
it's nuh uh, that's like a huge lawsuit waiting to happen.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Yeah, but also it's like we signed so much in
those contracts that yeah, they're not I mean, somebody could sue,
but I think that a lot of people just won't.
I mean, thank god I have like my own health insurance.
But I saw another girl that same challenge actually have
an asthma attack and they were filming and no one
was giving her an asthma pump. And then I saw

(18:50):
another girl who had an allergy to like MSG that
had a really horrible anaphylactic reaction and apparently she had
to get an EpiPen on the way to the hot hospital,
like they wouldn't even give her one in the house.
It was just I saw some crazy stuff and it
gave me anxiety.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Remind me never to work for MTV.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Well me, it's just because I've never like I've seen
clips of the challenge, But why do people subject themselves
to this? Has it like you can't be the only
one that's like, hey, we shouldn't be treated this way?

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Or do the people that go on the challenge just
don't care.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Most of them, I'd say about eighty percent don't care.
And that's why they get younger people, newer people. So
the people, like, I'm surprised they even asked me, because
I'm such a pain in the ass, I asked for
a lot. I mean, like I want, I don't.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
I don't think that's being a pain in the ass,
Like I feel like.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Medic yeah, but you know you're worth yeah. And then
I mean, Johnny Bananas has been doing it how many
years now?

Speaker 4 (19:42):
And oh my just keep He and CT are fine.
Actually I talked to CT after Challenge forty and he
was like, oh my god, I wish I could have
seen your face just by the living conditions and the bathrooms.
He's like, you would have left. He said it was horrible,
and I think he might be done.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Actually, oh wow, I thought you're gonna say it's better
and like you should have came.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
But no, it's like they haven't changed anything. That's wild,
that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Oh my god, he said it was really bad.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
I mean, there's so many people that do these competition shows,
but they aren't memorable. People like you just they come,
they go, but you you're sticking around. How did you
manage to create success from these TV opportunities?

Speaker 4 (20:20):
I guess, well, Okay, in the beginning, it's because I
was like the single girl who might make out with
this guy or do this, you know, and kind of
single girl thing. Those are always fun.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
The girl playboy, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
That and you know who's she going to date this
season and this whole thing. But then after that, you know,
when I had a boyfriend or I was just just
I think I don't have a problem telling someone to
their face what I think about them, And a lot
of people get nervous and they think it's going to
affect their game. I don't care, actually, and like I

(20:52):
I can't hold my tongue and so I think that
got me into a lot of trouble but also gets
people more attention, and so yeah, I think that's probably why.
But there's also like I did what four or five challenges,
one of them I got second place, and I really
kicked ass on that show. So I mean I'm pretty athletic,

(21:14):
Like I can, I can do it when I want to.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Well, what's surprising?

Speaker 2 (21:19):
What surprising me is like, you know, you're extremely memorable,
but the time we spent together on the show, I
never felt like you were acting for attention. I'm like, Okay,
this is mill just be and Chrichelle, you know, like,
and I feel like there's got to be an element
of authenticity with you, and I think that you know,
I'm gonna speak for you. I feel like that kind
of bleeds through with who you are. Everyone knows who

(21:39):
you are because I feel like and tam Or you
probably speak to this on the show as you're on.
There's a lot of like posing of like this is
who I'm trying.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, and this bigness. Now, I agree with you down
one hundred percent. When we met, I thought, you know,
in the castle, I thought, oh my god, she's so sweet,
she's so kind, she's so down to earth. And then
you know, I'm like hearing people watch out for her.
She's like a competition reality girl.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Yes, but and you know, there were moments that I
think that I was like not the kindest or nicest,
but not not that I mean, I kind of am
who I am. If it's game competition, then I will
kind of say my piece. But yeah, I think that
I'm pretty genuine as far as when I do these shows.
I don't do it for fame. It's like a job
for me. I treat it like a job really, and

(22:26):
so a lot of it Like if it's a competition show,
then I'm going over there to win, except for the challenges,
but I'm not having fun and I just leave. I've
hoded myself off challenges like three times.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
By the way, well you won, Traders. Let's talk about
Traders a little bit. Who do you still talk to?

Speaker 4 (22:43):
I talked to Bergie, Sandra, Janelle, Peter, you guys kate
every once in a while on Instagram. Who else? Peppermant, no,
she will not speak to me, and you know, she
spoke at Peter's house after the reunion. We spoke briefly

(23:03):
and I thought that that everything was fine, and I
was like, you know, I'm going to respect her space
and I would really like to have a conversation with you.
And she's like, Okay, I'm gonna write you like in
a month or whatever because we're both going on trips.
And she never did.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, that was that was a hard time for you
when you know that aired, and I remember talking with
you and you're like, yeah, god, I'm getting so much hate,
Like this is this normal? I'm like, yeah, Carl, that's
Tuesday afternoon for me.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
You made me feel so good. My husband was like,
call Tamra, Text Tamra. You have to know she because
for sure she knows. And I was like, okay, So yeah,
I asked you was normal. You're like, oh, yeah, yeah,
that's it.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
I mean, that's that's the downfall of social media nowadays
with reality TV is like, holy the hate that you
get is just insanity. And you didn't do anything wrong.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
No, I don't.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
I don't know playing the game yea.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
And when somebody accidentally says I'm a trader, and it's
early on in the show, yeah, you're like, if you're
saying you're a trader, you're okay, I'm gonna vote for you.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Yeah. I mean I definitely went hard for her, but
I also went hard for other people too, and so yeah,
I don't know. But whenever you told me that it
was normal, I felt a sense of relief. But then
I also felt like, oh my god, this is like
the day and age that we live in, people are
absolutely nuts what they'll say to you.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
You're like, what do I do? Do I make a statement?
I'm like, nope, just let it tomorrow next week's episode.
It'd be totally different. Now, great advice. Yeah, do you
have any predictions for who you think might win season three?

Speaker 4 (24:44):
If you were a bet and girl, which I know
you are, Yeah, you know what. I feel like they
might get rid of the gamers pretty early now because
this was such a big thing with our season was
like gamers non gamers, that kind of thing, and so
I feel like those people might go pretty early. I
don't know, though, Uh who is I mean, who do

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you guys think? I'm trying to think who else? Who
else is on it?

Speaker 1 (25:08):
I have I can't even remember. I know there's a
few housewives on it. Delores, right, Dolores is on it.
Then there's.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
I'm excited to see Boston.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Rob So you know that you the gamers, you're for
the gamers. I'm there for the housewives, Derinda, Dolores, Chanelle, Robin.
Then they had like Britney Spears's ex husband there see
I could see Dolores and Robin doing well.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
Because I think that they're both like badasses but likable,
but like might stay out of the drama a little bit.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Did we have any athletes on this season?

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Mishelle? I know you like Big Brother. How do you
think one of my favorites, Britney Haynes, is going to
do Oh.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
I think she'll do well. She's actually I hope she
stayed just for her soundbites. Really like, I think that
she's really good in it and I always enjoy that.
I think she'll do well, but she might pop off
a little bit. She doesn't have to be careful. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
So, so you won season two.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
What do you think allowed you to have success and
win the whole show?

Speaker 3 (26:25):
What brought you that success?

Speaker 2 (26:26):
And looking back on everything you did, the moves you made,
what do you attribute your success to.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
So I had a really really good mindset going in.
I was just like so positive, and I feel like
that really sets the tone for the rest of the show.
And So I was reading this book called Unbroken, and
it's about this like ex Olympic athlete who is like,
you know, then he became a pow and he survived

(26:54):
all these crazy obstacles in his life and all these
crazy things. It's like a true survival book. It's also
talks about his faith a lot. So every night when
I got home from the castle, on the way back,
I would go through my head what happened that day.
I would immediately go and write it down in my
notebook that everyone made fun of me for. I'd write
it down. I'd take a shower, I would go through

(27:15):
scenarios about what would happen the next day. Then I
would go read a chapter of my book, and then
I would pray, and then I'd go to bed and
I would have the same exact thing the next so repetition.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
I was very, very just dialed in and focused. And
I did that every single night that I got home,
and in that order, and it just I think, what
time did you get home depends because sometimes you have
to stay there so late, I know.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
So it's like not you have to sacrifice your sleep
to strategize your game exactly.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
It's interesting to me to hear say, okay, you took
your notes, but then you took the next step and
ran essentially like simulations or potential outcomes and probabilities in
your head, which leads us to you're now like your
professional poker player.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
How did you jump? Where did that come about for you?

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Because that's a fairly big jump to go from like,
you know, early days of MTV to you know, being
a staple on.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
The poker circuit and the female stuff.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
I started playing poker just recreationally about when I was
twenty five, I think, and then I started doing these
local in Los Angeles charity tournaments and kind of these
home games at people's houses, like Mark Wohlberg had a
home game like all these other people, right, and so
it was pretty fun to play with people, but it
was more light and lighthearted. Well, then I kind of

(28:40):
started doing really well in the in the charity poker
turnament circuit, and a couple of pros had realized that
and they were like this one. Annie Duke is like.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
This shit's like a legend.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
Yeah, the legend. She's one of the best poker players
in the world. So she sat down and talked to
me and kind of gave me a couple of lessons.
Phil Locke is another one. Yeah. So actually Jennifer Tilly
is Philock's girlfriend, and she's going to be on the
next Beverly Hills Housewife.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
So there's a connection, and all roads lead back to Bravo.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
All roads lead back to Bravo. Now, because you are
in the gambling world, we can call it that. Have
you followed the gambling scandal on Orange County, Oh with Otani?
I think it's his name, the baseball player.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
But I heard about it, but I wasn't. I did
not realize that that was related to some or that
was a.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Husband of boyfriend.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Boyfriend? Is Kate Katies? Is that her name? No, Jen,
I did not realize that was the same person because
I had heard about this before. Is this really? Is
he going to jail? Like what?

Speaker 1 (29:47):
We don't know. We don't know, you don't know. There's
an FBI investigation.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
That's really crazy.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Let me pivot from the FBI. One more poker question
for you.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
So, as you play in these poker tournaments, you start
to do while you're I kind of look as like
iron being sharpened and sharpen. Yeah, what what have you
been able to take from that? And did you what
are those skills did you use in the traders to win?
So I feel like you were like low key. I
feel like no one there really knew the depth of
your poker You know acumen. Yeah, do you remember scenarios

(30:18):
or times and you're like, okay, this is like I've
done this before, but with cards or you know, lean
down your skills.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent, like round tables, like keeping
your cool and stuff, because like there's something in poker
you can tell when people are breathed. I mean I
did it the other day when I was playing poker.
Whenever I was in a hand with someone, I could
tell that he was nervous and he was bluffing me
because I could see his heart beating out of his chest.
And you know, Dan, whenever people were calling you out
at the roundtable, I looked at you and I could

(30:46):
see the same thing, Like I could see like your chest,
like you're breathing and stuff. And it's just like little
things you can look at people. So I did use
some of that at the round table. But my whole
thing is like I love to be underestimated sometimes and
are like I hate, don't underestimate me. I'm like, please
underestimate me, please. I love to prove people wrong and
I like to surprise people, like go ahead, please think

(31:09):
that I'm stupid, think that you know I suck at
this well, I don't.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Think anybody thinks you're stupid. But anyways, but I will
tell you, if I didn't know all of this and
I just met you at the castle in Scotland, I
would be like, oh my god, she's so sweet, she's
so kind, Like is she gonna make it far? Because
she's just so sweet? And I'm like now no, And
I'm like damn yeah, I'm like, what's next? Are you
an assassin? Like what is going on to me?

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Like, there's a difference between like being sweet in your
everyday life and being like a kind person and then
like going hard in gameplay. And I enjoy competition. I
really do in all aspects.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Well, I'm kind of like that, although it's not a competition.
Well that's kind of a competition. On Housewives. Is like
just very sweet and kind at home and kind of
have a little bit of social anxiety and don't talk
that much, and then as soon as the camera comes
out or the microphone and I'm like, game on, let's
do this.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
But that's how I know that you guys would be
so good at the roundtable, because I feel like every
episode of the Housewife is like a round tables.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Let me ask you a question, when did you find
out that Dan was a trader?

Speaker 4 (32:15):
That Dan was a trader.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
I've always talked about her winning.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
When did you figure out? Was it early on in
the game, was it later in the game, or did
you know?

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Okay? Uh? Janelle told me pretty early on she had
a good feeling that Dan was a trader, and I
was just like, well, I don't know. That seems so obvious,
like because he's like a legend, and that just seems
too obvious for me that they would have him as
a trader. And then when I talked to Dan, he
refused to give me a name. Okay, all right, So
to me, I was like, okay, there's something up with

(32:47):
that guy, like no way like and then I was
just like, Dan, you're gonna have and so yeah, I
kind of started.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Were you checking his heartbeat at any given moment to
make sure he wasn't.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Lying whenever everybody was coming at him at that roundtable,
I knew for sure.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
I was like, oh my god. One podcast we had together,
we were like, let's talk about your exit speech. Dan.
He's like, let's not.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
So. So you did a phenomenal job in Traders.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
It was fun to watch I felt like, you're very calculated,
especially like post mortem, right like when I'm watching the show,
You're very calculated. I felt like you did a phenomenal
job and you deserve to win. But I, you know,
not to bring up drama, but at the end, what
was your take on dealing with gamers versus non gamers?

Speaker 3 (33:29):
And then where does that stand?

Speaker 4 (33:30):
Now? Wait? What do you mean which part?

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Like?

Speaker 3 (33:34):
So you won the show?

Speaker 2 (33:35):
And then there were some people who are like, Okay,
this is a game, and there are some people who
are like.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
Okay, you talking about MJ.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
I know, I'm like you talking about MJ.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Yes, what is my take on it? Okay, I do
understand someone like MJ who doesn't come from like a
gaming background. For her, it was like a shocking and
very cutthroat and manipulative move that you know what happened
at the end. But to me, like I said before,

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I really did think that CT could be a trader.
So that's kind of and once I threw the pouch
and I couldn't take it back, so I had to.
I had to vote her out when I thought was
a trader, Yeah, I thought he could have been recruited
later on. So but I mean, that's just kind of
the name of the game. And it's like people are
mad at Suri for the same thing. But it's that's

(34:27):
just how it goes. And so you're never going to
win a show and it be completely clean. I mean, Dan,
you know from Big Brother, people had beef with you
as well and said said things, and it's just that's
how it goes.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Like where do you stand with m J now? She
told me that she.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Was gonna unblock me, but I haven't checked. I don't
know if she did or not. We talked in LA.
She was fine, she was completely fine.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
I think you both share a character trait.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
You guys are both very authentic, genuine and kind and
sweet people.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
But that is not mutually exclusive from playing a game hard.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
You know, like just because you played hard doesn't mean
you're not sweet, kind, authentic in those things. So as
you move forward from this, because I think the next
competition show you're going to be on, I think the
gigs up, Like you can't like you can't hide under this, like, oh,
I'm just nice to shell anymore because people that.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah, you're like a killer. You've done You've you slayed
a bunch of peace assassin.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah, there should be a competition show about assassins.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Well, people forget I think that, like because I don't
talk about it a lot, that I have done all
these challenges and that I did, like if I really
want to win something, I'll win it. Like I won
Fear Factor and I was like the last woman standing
on a wrestling show with like you know, a bunch
of people, the whole Cogan Wrestling show. I've done this
stuff and like.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Wait, what show is that?

Speaker 4 (35:46):
It was called Celebrity Wrestling Championship and obviously did not
go anywhere. It was on CMT a long time ago.
It was pretty funny, like Fear Factor.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
But Fear Factor, Oh my god, that's one show that
that did you have? When'd you have to eat?

Speaker 4 (36:02):
I didn't have to eat anything. I told I would not.
I said I'm not eating anything, and they did not
make anybody eat stuff.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Well, I said with Traders that I'm claustrophobic. I'm not
being buried alive. It ain't happening.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
Yeah, I was surprised they didn't do that.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
I know no way.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
So shall I have to ask about the Bravo crossover?
So my wife's watching. She always watches Bravo and all
of a sudden, like below decks on. I'm like, oh,
trisall like how does that happen?

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Like how you everywhere?

Speaker 4 (36:31):
I filmed that before Traders? Okay I did, yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
And then how does that work? Like how do you?
How do you end up on below Deck?

Speaker 4 (36:40):
So I can't believe it took them a year to
air the show. So we filmed it like last summer,
and this is before I even found out for sure
that I was going to do The Traders. And my
friend Brittany was like, you know, let's she was looking
into yachts like in Greece, and she was like, it's
actually like a little bit better of a deal if

(37:00):
we go on below deck. You still have to pay
for it, but like it's a little little better of
a deal. And she's like, wouldn't it be a fun experience?
And I was like, I don't think they're gonna pick
us to be on below deck because she did America's
Next Top Model. She's one of my best friends, and
I did Real World. I was like, I don't think
that they want like all these other shows on below deck,
but they totally did. They were like, oh my god,

(37:25):
we had so much fun. I'm so glad that they
didn't show a lot of our last night that we
were on there. We all got like blackout drunk.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
I don't know, HOLLI.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Didn't show Wow, Captain Sandy told me to go to bed.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Don't you love Captain Sandy?

Speaker 4 (37:39):
She is the best. I absolutely adored her. She's so
cool and she's so pretty in person. Wow, I didn't
expect she's like flawless.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Michelle Tamer had a question to ask you about below Deck,
but she's a little bashful to ask.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
What remember you? You were asking you?

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Like, Dan, should I ask to Selle how much it
cost to go below deck?

Speaker 3 (38:00):
And I said, I don't know if we should ask
her that. You don't remember that?

Speaker 1 (38:03):
So foolish, Dan, you said that can you.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Give us a window? Could you give us a window?

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Like roughly, I don't know how much it costed charter
yeat like much because they asked.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Me to do it.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
Okay, so okay, I don't know about how much it
was for you. I think for us it was about
like twenty five thousand per couple for like two days. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think you know.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
And then we tipped that like twelve thousand a person.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
Yeah, wes for two days, right, and then I think
they had three day ones, but we didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Was the every day that that well, I'd never end
up doing it because I had to do Ultimate Girl.
I did Ultimate Girls strip instead. But I was always
concerned because when we film our reality show, you know, Housewives,
there's no music. You have to you know what I mean.
It's like, is it really there's any party if there's
no music.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
There's no music. But we were so entertained by there
was just constant food, constant drinks, and the toys, and
they kept you so entertained that you didn't realize.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
How much out of the day did you actually film,
because the show is really based on you know, the
people on the crew. Oh the crew.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
Yes, yeah, so they filmed. They filmed us pretty all
a lot, I guess. But then they took our mics
at like eleven pm. They would just take your mic
and be like, if you're gonna go to bed, just
pretend like you're gonna go to bed, and then go
back up if you want to hand out, like they
didn't care. But and then they have stationary cameras like
in case something crazy happens like someone breaks their neck

(39:29):
or whatever whenever everyone's asleep. But yeah, it's so Yeah,
it's not that much. I didn't think it was that
expensive for all what we got. Yeah, and then we
paid it actually to watch it.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
I haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Yeah, it's it was like normal. But it's funny to
see my husband on TV because he's like a normal guy.
And I was like, I got so excited. I was like,
there's John, Like, I mean kind of you probably felt
the same way with Eddie.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
How is he when the cameras came up? Was he natural?
Was he nerve? Was he stilly? Like just himself?

Speaker 4 (40:04):
He was a natural. He was good. I actually think
that he liked the camera. I was like, oh, you're
one of those.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
I was like, babe, when's our next reality show?

Speaker 4 (40:14):
I think he would do one. Honestly, he enjoyed it.
He thought it was really cool.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Well, if you come move to Orange County, you know,
we're always looking for good cast members.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
Yeah. I could think of a few on your show
that I'd like to take the place, though, just because
I'm done watching them.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
I came to that spot spot as well.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Speaking of next shows, are there any competition shows that
you haven't done yet that you're like, I would love
to play and compete in this.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
Yes, Okay, I actually was talking to someone. I don't
even know if I should say this. Well, I did
talk to someone about Deal or No Deal Island too,
but they took someone else and I won't say who
it is from our traders cast on it and so
so when someone else is doing it, which I'm very
excited to watch this person, but I think I would

(41:05):
do so well in Deal and o'deal Island because it's
a lot of statistics as well as competition, and I'm
good with statistics. Hello poker, And so I was like, damn,
I'm so bunks. I feel like I could have won
that show. But whatever, next season maybe yeah, maybe next season.
But big Brother would be like I love Big Brother
so much?

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Wrong with you? Who want to stay in a house
for however long month? Two months with people you don't
really know?

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Yeah, I don't know. I like the mental aspect of
it because I see people really falling apart on that show,
and I find it very interesting when people can't mentally
handle stuff. I like it.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Do you use your expertise in gaming with your husband
and your relationship you too, Dan, is that something you
use like? I feel like I don't know that i'd
want to be married to a gamer. They can really
play you.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
I can say this really quick story.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
So when I drove my kids and I dropped them
off at summer camp today, and they know when they're
in the car with dad, they get like a little.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Fruit flavored tiktach.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
So I have a seven or eight year old six
year old and my two year old daughter, and so
I get my all tiktak and they all think it's funny.
And then all of a sudden, my my daughter starts crying.
She's like, Dad, I drop my tic tech. I dropped
my tic tech. I turn around to give her another one.
She smiles at me, opens her hand and she has
the other one in there. So she played me for
two tic tacks. I think it might be genetic. But

(42:25):
do you do like you if you want to get
something done, Y's like gamesmanship, not manipulation.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Okay, what I.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
Don't I don't have to manipulate my husband because he
never tells me no. He always says yes. But I
mean he thinks it's so cool that I play poker.
And he wants to learn, and he's always like, teach me,
teach me. But I'm like, no, you were a fighter pilot,
you did all this cool stuff in your life, Like,
let this be my cool thing. So I don't even
want him to learn because he's very, very smart, and

(42:55):
I know that he would like end up killing it.
So I'm like, no, like, let me have my thing
and you do your thing.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
So Shishaw, as we wrap things up here, You've had
an amazing reality TV career and you've done so many
different things and you've been ever like pivot and do
pretty much.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Whatever you've wanted.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
What at this point in your life, what does success
look like to you now? And what continues to push
you and what are you shooting for?

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Ah? I mean, I feel like I already was on
and won the greatest show that's on TV right now.
I mean, y'all for Emmy is like that's I know.
So it's so exciting just to be a part of
the show. And so I'm like, am I gonna get
another show that's better than this? I don't know. I mean, uh,
I think that I would love to do more television

(43:49):
and even if it's a show that's non that's reality,
that's non competition. I would love to do that as well.
I would love a Housewives show. I mean I told
Andy that, He's like, we'll see, but yeah, I would
love that. I think it'd be fun and I just
want to And then I use some of my money
to invest in a medical company from the traders that

(44:10):
I won. So I'm kind of diversifying a little bit
because we were we talked about this Dan that we
were doing real estate stuff and now I'm kind of
doing medical stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
And I don't know, you know, you've been on a
lot of competition shows, You've won a lot of money.
Is there something that you do, Like do you like
I'm going to take X amount and you know, buy
something nice for myself or I invest it or because
there's so many people that win prizes and they just
shit their money away.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Yeah, investing is really what I'm focused on right now,
investing and doing like little small business opportunities here and there.
I really am more focusing on kind of being an
entrepreneur more. And you know, my sister in law just
started a winery, so we'll probably be doing stuff with that.
And so yeah, there's like a lot of opportunities, but

(45:00):
I always buy myself nice things like you should see
in my closet right now across.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Keep moving girl. Yeah yeah. If you can give one
piece of advice to listeners who are interested in auditioning
for the Challenge or Traders or Big Brother or anything
like that, what would it be?

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Oh my gosh, I think, uh, don't try too hard.
I feel like now the people on there, they try
so hard, and in their audition tapes, it's just like,
really be yourself. If you are having a day where
you don't want to be like super, you know, over
the top, then show that, and you know, then your
next interview you might feel differently and they'll be like, oh,
this person is not faking the whole time. I don't know.

(45:39):
It's hard because I don't know what they look for now.
I don't even know why I'm still on telepone.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
I think that's great. Is it don't try? That's actually
what got me cast on Housewives is I just didn't try.
Like they're like, here's an application, it's seven hundred and
ninety two pages, go ahead and fill it out and
submit it. I'm like, then they call me, did you
fill it out? I'm like, no, okay, well we still
want to see you. Okay, you know, it's just didn't.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
That's exactly me for the real world. It took me
months to fill out. They were like all they were like,
you were cast. All you have to do is fell
out the paperwork and just like film a video to
show that you tried. And it took me so long.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah, that's how I was just like, no, if it's
meant to be, it's meant to be. I'm not going
to break my back trying to prove that, you know,
I'm the girl that you want. But Dan asked you
about what success looks to your life, and you answered
that now has the idea of success changed from when
you've gotten older gained more life experience.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
Uh? Yeah, I think so because I did shit away
a lot of my money in the beginning. When I
was telling you earlier about how I did all these
appearances and everything. In my twenties, I made so much
money I could own a house in Los Angeles right now,
and all I did was take my friends on trips
and pay money thirty thousand dollars for a table in

(46:51):
Vegas with a bunch of bottles for strangers. I think,
good girl, really really stupid things with my money, And
I think that what I would tell any right now
is to like be smart, invest and be careful, don't
just like go crazy in the beginning. So yeah, I
think back and I'm like, I could have done so
much more.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
But was there a moment when You're like, I got
to stop this or I mean it's yeah, like somebody, yeah,
spending like thirty thousand dollars for a night out or whatever.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
Yeah, whenever they stopped paying me five grand for appearances
and they started people were doing it for five hundred,
and I realized that they could get three people for
the price of one, and I was like, oh, maybe
I should have saved my money.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
I've done that too, Like I spent fifty thousand dollars
for a house and actually my husband did it for
my birthday, but fifty thousand for a house in Cabo,
Like this giant house invited like twenty people to come
and celebrate my birthday.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
That's a lot, but it's I bet it was epic though.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yeah, It's like, you know, sometimes it's nice to do
something like that. It's fun, but I rarely nowadays, like
I'm like you. I just I don't give a shit
if people think I'm dirt ass poor or I'm just
investing my money and I'm not the girl that shows up,
you know, with drenched in Chanelle or Gucci. I'm like, not,
you know what, I wear my clothes once on the
show once exactly. Yeah, I'm gonna put my money where

(48:13):
it's gonna make me money.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
That's not important. And you know it's funny. It's like
a lot of the girls that I hear that are
interviewing for New Orleans Housewives or whatever, these are the
girls that really it's like you're wearing every dime you.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Have, right, That's like one of my biggest pet peeves
are actually like girls that come on the show franchises
all over for Housewives, and they're wearing Faketionel and they're
wearing like, if you're gonna wear Fictionel, make sure Chanel
makes that yeah, because you look you look ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
That is so crazy to me. Yeah, I mean I'd
rather just wear she and than fake Chanel.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Right, That's what I say. I'd rather go to Target
than Yeah. Yeah, Well, thank you so much, Dan, Do
you have any more questions?

Speaker 2 (49:00):
No, I'm just learning about like now, I'm like, I'm
it's a learning experience every podcast, and I'm glad I'm
here to just soak.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
It all in. And I learned. I've learned about extensions.
I've learned today about glitter in the eyes. You know,
I've learned a lot.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Yeah, He's like, you have an extensions. I'm like, do
you think this shit's real?

Speaker 4 (49:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Why wouldn't it be? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
I have a question for you guys. So, Tamra, after
doing The Traders, and I wish to god that you
would have stayed longer. I was so bummed whenever you left.
You left because you're very competitive too. Do you think
that you would do another competition type show? Oh?

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Boy?

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Being away from my house and my family for you know,
three to four weeks is tough for me. And I
knew that going in, and I kind of had myself
psyched out and I was scared and nervous. I don't
know that I'll do one like that. I could do.
I would do like a physical competition show. I just
wish they'd give you your damn phone like I had.
I still have a daughter at home, you know, in

(49:56):
businesses and it's like very hard to disconnect and go
another country where you're so far away with zero communication.
That's the toughest part for me. The the physical part
of it I love, I absolutely love, and then the mind.
I can do that all day long.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
Yes, you know what I told Andy when I last
time I did watch What Happens Live, I said, I
want you to do a challenge, but for housewives, like
a Housewives game.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
I've been saying that forever. I've been saying that it
needs to happen. I would I would do the House
of Villains. I would do that.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Oh you villain everyone.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
But yeah, but there's like, yeah, like Teresa was on it,
she's not exactly a villain. Like there's like there's other
housewives that have done it, and I think it's like
it's a little bit more relaxed. You're not there as
long you're in LA, you're allowed to use your phone
like something like that. I would feel more comfortable.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
Yeah, Oh, I would love it to see you on that. Dan,
what about you? No more? Big brother?

Speaker 2 (50:53):
I mean I feel very very much the way you
do about the Traders is like, you know, I love
my time my big brother but Peacocks set the bar
so high, and it's like, unless it's that or better.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
I'm hoping that they'll have like an all Star Traders
and both of you guys will be on it.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
You too, No too, no longer.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
I was there like four episodes sicker than a dog.
So you see that's why you need to say i'd
have PTSD going back. Oh well, thank you guys so much. Yes,
it was great catching up. When you're gonna come out
this way anytime soon?

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Yeah, hopefully soon.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
My question real quick, do you think like if we
ask for one of the because I think they're gonna
win multi Emmies, do you think we can ask for
them to like slice one of them up into twenty pieces?

Speaker 3 (51:39):
That's a fair question.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
We just get a mini, give us a mini, yes,
like a little cute one, like a key chain version.
I mean, it is pretty damn cool to be on
a cast that's in a show that's nominated for an
Emmy and you know they're gonna win. Yeah, they won
last year?

Speaker 4 (51:55):
Right?

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Do they win last year too?

Speaker 3 (51:56):
They're just nominated.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
I think they're just nominated one.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Well, it just win in this year, and I have
a hard time believing they're going to be able to
beat the cast they had for season two.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
I was thinking that too. Everyone keeps asking me that
as well, and I just but, you know what, I'm
not sure how you guys felt. I didn't know that
it was going to be such a huge success when
I was there. I remember being at the round table
a couple times and being like, God, THEA sure just
say that. I was like, that's hysterical or just like
thinking these things, But I wasn't sure how everybody else

(52:27):
would receive it. So, I mean, maybe this cast might
surprises with the dynamics between them.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Yeah, I hope it does.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
Well, we'll see. I'm excited. I'll be watching. Well.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Thank you so much. We appreciate you taking the time
to us.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
I miss y'all, Tamara. I want to come visit you
guys in Big Bear.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Yes, let me know when. I love that, let me
know when.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Thanks Chelle, we really appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
Thank you much.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
By great week back