March 9, 2023 • 23 mins
Melissa is confronting the TwoTs about something they did. How will they respond?
We’re talking RHONJ and how this is one of the most stressful seasons ever for Melissa. Is reconciliation with Teresa even possible??
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Two teas in a pod with Teddy, Melancants and camera Judge.
We are back with the Twats and we have Melissa on.
You guys need to make sure that you go over
to on Display with Melissa Borga to hear the first
(00:23):
part of this podcast because it isn't juice because starting
to heat up when we stopped with your podcast. Now,
we had Jacqueline on about a week ago. She had
a lot to say about you, and you know, a
week it's not like a month ago. I don't feel
like years ago. But you know you you text me
before I could text you because we've been friends for
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a long time, right, I kinda I have to admit
I felt a little dirty after it, especially since I
just saw you in Vegas and did an event with
you and Eddie and I both love you and Joe Um.
I felt like a lot was set. There was definitely
a lot said. It was a lot podcast on Bash Melissa,
not from you too, but I'll guess a lot of
questions that would lure her in and with her. I mean,
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my question to you guys is like what you her in?
What did we lure her in? Like I just thought
you knew you're saying you didn't know the background she
had been going on other podcasts. I did not know that.
Oh yeah, any platform she can get on to just
say negative things about me. Now, this is my question
to you. Jacqueline has not been on TV for a very,
very long time. I have no connections with her, haven't
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text her, haven't talked to her, don't follow her on Instagram,
know nothing about what's going on in her life. Why
do you think, like, what do you think triggered her
to suddenly come out and just start calling me names
and calling me a manipulator? Seeing she was on Teresa's
podcast after she saw Teresa in Vegas. To me, that's
that's not even a question. But she did it before
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she even went to Vegas, right, I don't know about
your podcast. Let me ask you a question. Have you
talked to Jacqueline? Where is this? You say she's bashing you?
Where's this? Do you know? I have zero idea? So
I know you have known her as long as I have.
I haven't seen her since the day she left the show.
She left very abruptly. She hated Teresa, she hated me.
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She never wanted to see us again. I never I
understood her in Teresa's fight. They fought hard. You know.
She used to treat accused Joe Judais of you know,
banging the secretary and this and that, and her and
Theresa used to go at it hard. Her and I
we didn't really have that. It was like when Teresa
and I made up, that's when Jacqueline just got really
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insecure about something. I don't even know what it was,
but she decided she hated me as well. I don't
know if she thought that meant that I suddenly was
going to be teamed Teresa or something and not be
friends with her as well. She just lost it on me.
I to this day really never had a major argument
with Jacqueline, Like I can't say to you guys, you
know what this was, happened, This is what happened on
the show, and I did this to her and then nothing,
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there's zero. I didn't do anything to her on the show.
So I to this day don't know what pissed her
off back then, and I don't know what's pissing her
off eight years later right now. I don't follow her,
I don't talk to her. I've never mentioned her name. Zero.
So you're completely blindsided by all of this, well, I'm blindsided.
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I'm blindsided by it all. I don't get it, and
I'm not engaging in it because to me, it's pointless
and I have enough going on with like like real
life of my own and what I'm dealing with on
my current cast. So for me to dive in and start,
you know, really diving in with Jacqueline and figuring that
out would just be pointless to me and make this
is too much talk about it. If I'm being honest,
(03:39):
I'm going to say I can truly give two shits
about Jacqueline and what she said because I have so
many questions about Jersey and what's going on between you
and Teresa and all. Great, let go the fall there.
I don't want to give any more attention to somebody
that we can't we can't watch what happens on camera,
like to me, like if Bill Piano see any resolution,
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it's not of interest to me to talk about. So amen, Amen, Okay,
moving on, moving on, Let's just go right into the
first band question. You're gonna hate me for this, but
I have to ask ahead, do you worry that where
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your relationship stands with Teresa, it's going to affect your
place on the show. It possibly could, of course, of
course it could. I think they can get to a
point where they say, I don't know how we're going
to put these two in a room anymore, or they're
gonna put us in a room and say don't speak
to each other and we don't care, right, I mean,
of course, yeah, But I don't really think I have
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to get through the reunion first, and I think that's
the way the producers are thinking as well right now,
and executives. They want to get through the reunion. I
don't think that the show can go on without either
talked about this. Yeah, without either one of you. I
want both, and to be honest, I also want Joe. Well,
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I don't necessarily need resolution. I don't know that. I
don't know that there is resolution on all issues, but
I can say that I thought this last episode there
was a part of healing that was coming, and then
once that conversation happened between Teresa and her daughters and Louie,
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it all shifted right Like I really thought you guys
were in a place where it was going to happen,
which I wonder, is that what's going to keep happening
we're gonna keep believing that there's gonna be a resolution
and then it's just going to whack us back into
reality or what is the issue? Well, on the episode tonight,
Jia actually says in her confessional that everything was fine,
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like from the time Teresa came home from prison. She
was good with us, like she was fine. She was
at our shorehouse constantly, she was bringing whoever she was
dating around, we were meeting people, she was hanging out
with us like she was fine. And Jia literally says
on her confessional tonight that we were all at the
short house, but we were all happy. And it changed
(06:10):
when Louie came around. So I don't know what it
is about Louie that made it change, or if it
was Teresa just feeling like, listen, don't need you guys anymore.
I'm going to keep it moving because deep down inside,
she'd never really wanted this relationship, but she was just
kind of stuck with it being her only family. I mean,
I don't really know the full reasoning. I think no
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matter what the excuse is, it sucks and it's sad
because when you have zero other family then it's like
kind of crazy not to at least semi hold onto
the little bit that you have just for holidays and
for birthdays and just for like regular things. I what
I said in that text message the first episode I meant,
which was like, let's keep the peace. Let's not go
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to lunch. That's silly. We don't really want to go
to lunch. Why are we going to go to lunch?
Like we don't want to be together at lunch, but
let's be in the same room. Let's reminisce sometimes when
we need to. Let's do what we have to do.
But we don't need to go to lunch. And that's
and I meant that. So I don't know, I don't
know where it goes. I feel like there's been a
lot of leak text messages. It's been happening between you know,
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the two families, right, it was responsible for leaking those
text messages, um Teresa and Luis. They gave them to
a website that she talks to you you on the phone.
She's been on the phone with this one website since
two thousand and twelve. She talks to them constantly. They're
they're anti Melissa, They're just they bashed me all day long.
So I think so yeah, she just she's been on
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the phone with her for years. So it's basically Teresa's story.
It's basically Teresa tweeting. It's basically Teresa talking. It's always been.
I personally do not like leak text messages. I mean
I don't like it either. Bravo doesn't like it either.
Nobody likes it. I mean, I love them. They've done
great for me. I think that I think that the
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lead text messages prove nothing except for more of my point,
which was, we're not doing this for the show. We're
doing this in real life, whether the show's running or not.
We're not going to suddenly show up to your fiftieth
birthday on an island with five of your closest friends
when you just said you're not close to me, you
don't even want me in the wedding. It makes zero sense.
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We know that there's an ulterior motive there, and it's
it's fine. I'm not even nailing her to the cross Pard,
I'm just like, I'm not coming. But a question, just
because I have to Devil's advocate the same way I
did when Jacqueline was on, do you think that, no
matter how much you were there for Teresa's daughters while
she was in prison. Using it to prove a point
negates what you did for them, Like, can you see
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that at all? Who used it to prove a point?
I didn't was that you on your didn't on the
podcast you said that we put food on the table. Okay,
that is so taken out of context. You have to
listen to the whole entire podcast. What I said with
that was that when Teresa. First of all, when Teresa
went to jail for the first six months, she did
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not speak to me or her brother. She didn't write
to us, She didn't she refused to put Joe on
the list. He called her the morning she was leaving,
and she basically hung up on him and said, you're
the reason I'm going to jail. Facts. He was insulted.
Six months no contact. She wanted to start using my
attorney because she thought I was doing well. She reached out.
My attorney called me six months in and said to me,
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are you okay with me starting to work with the
Teresa because I really am a criminal attorney, even though
I'm doing some entertainment stuff. And I said, you know what,
I never want to hold you back from this is
a high profile case. It's my sister in law. If
she need you do it, go ahead, Jim, do it.
So I then started to share my attorney with her,
and at that point he started talking sense into her.
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I guess, and they the Teresa checks In show was
being pitched and being brought up. It was going to
be in the making. It was for Joe, Judaics and
the girls. She then, at that point, six months later,
put her brother on the list because he needed to
come visit her on Teresa checks In, so vice versa.
(10:09):
Excuse me say that again. Did he get paid? Of course,
we all got paid, but no one got paid like
Teresa got paid. We got like you know, day appearance rate.
Of course, but we were. But my point of that is,
who cares he would have seen her the first day.
She wouldn't put him on the list. The only reason
she put him on the list was because it was
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going to benefit her. He was going to come see
her on the show, and she was then going to
get paid for her coming to see it. So everything,
you guys here is always twisting the narrative, and I'm
really getting sick of it. So I need to correct it,
because that's not the truth, and the truth is this
second she put him on the list, he came to
visit her. She started working with my attorney who was
softening things and making her like see the light that
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she went to jail for different for all the you know,
for certain reasons that have nothing to do with anybody
but herself and her husband. Right then she loosened up
a little bit and then she allowed me to have
the kids. So that really was from like it started.
And I want to say in like July and I
have I went to my photos from twenty fifteen, that's
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the whole year she was away. I have a ton
of photos at ice cream with the girls on my boat,
like from the second she allowed me to have them,
the whole entire summer they were at my home. So
it's just all bullshit. It's a fake narrative. It's always
twisting and turning because it's easy to use that as
a crutch to say that we're opportunists because she was
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on the show first, And it's bullshit. It's bullshit. It's
just it's an easy way out for her. Look at you,
You fall into it half the time. It's an easy
way out for her. It's an easy way out. Well, no,
I mean we all get it. We were friends, were
so and so because we want to continue being on
the show, or because we want to do that. Well,
that part, I think is total bs and And that's
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what I called Jacqueline and I said, listen, I think
they're both people have been in the wrong. Both parties
have done things that are mistakes. But I think we
are starting to see a side of you this season
that is speaking up for yourself. Yeah, or first for
the first time I've been watching. Yeah, you're in a
very bad position. But you're because it's like your husband,
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then your sister in law, and then you don't want
to piss your husband off and you don't want to
you know, it's it's a bad position. Over it. It's
a really bad position, and especially when you finally want
to tell the truth, it makes it worse. Who's holding
the bigger grudge? Is it Teresa or is it Joe? Like?
How can you guys not move forward? Um? I think
both right now. I think Teresa is I don't know
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between the two of them, I just I can't tell.
I really can't tell. They both are really pissed off.
Both of them, and I know on your podcast we
were talking a little bit about Tom Sandoval and kind
of like some of his narcissistic traits and whatnot, alleged
narcissistic traits. Do you think that Louie is doing a
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control of power and trying to remove Teresa from the
people in her life so that he has all the control.
I mean, he has a lot of x's that have
been spreading a lot of rumors about him and saying
a lot of things about him. Every single thing they
have said is basically what we're seeing everything and he is.
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You know, we were told for the last two years
that this man is a narcissist, what he's going to do,
how he's going to control it, and we're just kind
of watching it all play out. Is at this point,
it's out of my business. She's a big girl and
it's on her to deal with this. You know, Joe
and I kept our minds, really, we kept it open
in the beginning. You see, when he first came on,
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we had open doors for him. He was at my shorehouse.
I had him with my family. My brother in law's
were cutting his hair. We were, you know, we were
We didn't yeah, because my brother in laws a barber. Yeah,
we would like go and get like, you know, haircuts
in my basement. For it was like we didn't let
them in. You also see him in scene as if
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you were saying coaching, but coaching to be better peace,
but coaching her while also bringing the girls in. I
see both sides here. I see him calming her in ways,
but I also see him stirring the ship. I also
give you mad respect for having your children removed from
the table. Yeah, while you're talking about their aunt. Thank you.
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It's just it's just one of those things where I'm
not interested in it. I don't care about the show.
I don't care about ratings, I don't care about anything
when it comes to having them look stupid or silly
or disrespectful to situations like that is to me, I've
never felt like it was. Yeah, you recently said on
an interview maybe it was your podcast, that there is
(14:57):
people trying to dig into your personal life, right, is
this something that's going to be shown on the show. Um,
I'm trying to think what part you're at some point,
Oh for sure, for sure, yes, yes, majorly, like majorly.
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Is it somebody that's currently on the show doing that? Yes?
Is it Jen Aiden? I can't answer any question. What's
that game? What's that game? It sounds like start unbelievable.
I listen, it's been Aiden. Listen. You can see I'm
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in I'm in a position here. It's definitely a spot
where you need to get to the end and then
see how you feel about everything. I'm not saying I'm
one hundred percent right in anything. I never was for
you know, I take accountability for what I am as well.
You know, I never blame our relationship on one person.
That's not who I am. I own up to whatever
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I've done, But certain things are just unforgivable and are
take a lot more time to get past than just like, hey,
I'm sorry. Is this one of your most stressful seasons
out of the how many? How many? I would say
this one? Yes, along with season three, the first one
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and this one definitely what season? I mean thirteen and three?
Does it bother you? Like? I mean, like sometimes I've
had in the past thirteen years seasons that have like
just bothered me so bad that like my insides were
just affecting my mental health, It's affecting my marriage, effecting
my children, is that a season that you've had or
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are you able to push it aside? No, I think
that it's not. No, I'm not like that because if
that was the case, then I mean, if I would
have done something to someone and caused pain to someone
like this, then I would be stressed. But it's happening.
It didn't affect and you know, I can't really say
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much more. But no, I'm not stressed out like that.
I think it's more of a sad season. I think
it's a lot of it's not even the season what
you're watching, it's the outside of the show shit that's
going on that I'm like, I'm not we don't get
paid for all of this extra Like what is everyone doing?
Sit down, enjoy your children, like go to the water park,
(17:28):
find your real friends, whoever they may be, and get
the off Twitter. Like, I don't you know what I'm saying, Like,
it's not even the show. I can handle the show
because whatever I said or did on the show, I
wanted to say it and I own it. It's the
off camera stuff that's really the off camera stuff that
I'm like, you're and it's just you're making so much
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extra work. You're dividing the cast. It makes no sense.
It feels amateur to me. And I just think the
biggest shit ster on the cast is jen Aiden. It's
it's either Jen Aiden or Margaret. Margaret Shister's in a
different way. Jen Aiden is a sneaky She's a sneaky shitster.
She's behind the scenes that would say sneaky link. She's
(18:12):
a sneaky link. I feel like Margaret pushes storyline. I
don't feel as really as shitster, but I don't. But
here's a I like Margaret, but I'm not getting a
lot of Margaret's personal story. That's my issue. I don't mind,
and I've said this before. I want shitsters. I believe me.
I am a shitster. I love a shitster. But I
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have to know what's personally going on in your life
that it's affecting you for me to relate to you
as a shitster, right and if you're not opening up
that side. So right now, Margaret's doing an excellent job
of shit stirring. She doesn't have a lot going on
in your life. Her life's perfect, so she just has
to stir up other people's shit. I mean, I get
some there's seasons where you don't have a lot going on, right,
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and then there are seasons where you do. It's it
depends what's actually going going on, and that four months
have you filming, you might be actually like at a
calm point in life where there's nothing crazy going on,
and it sucks if that's when the cameras go up.
So you better be moving storyline. So she moves storyline exactly.
She compensates. She does compensate for that. That way. There's
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a big difference between a snake and kind of like
a story stir. Yeah, I mean, I like, I enjoy Margaret.
I don't think I think the show would be failing
without her, but I just um. I also wanted to
ask about Ji Fessler because I have a real issue
with the theatrics tarm Or does not um. I just
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feel like it's so over the top. Is that who
she is? It is? It is, it's not I know
what you're saying. She follow your sandwich and I was like,
I think so much another sandwich. I was like, is
she bullshitting me right now? Like, no, she's dead serious,
No one's sharing sandwiches right now. She listen to me.
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She will grow to love her if you don't up.
She is a little comic relief that we definitely need
for the show. She says things that are kind of
out of whack when we're all like in the depth,
and you know when your ears hurt from sometimes when
you watch the Bravo shows or the housewives, do your
ears hurt once in a while because you're like, I
just hear yelling. I don't even know what these women
(20:20):
are saying. And she's the one that'll just be like
she'll make it stop and like regroup, which we need sometimes.
So I appreciate her for that. I'll tell you that
because when it starts on the show, I mean, I'm
closes with Rachel. Just our kids are friends. Her and Gino,
Gino and Jaden are really good friends. They go to
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school together. Um, she lives in town by me. She's
a little you know, she's she's great. I like Rachel.
Amra says that I have her walk, that she has
my walk, and I'm a little bit upset because that
means there's multiple bad walkers of us out there. But
have you ever noticed Rachel? Does she do the wobble? Teddie?
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I used to wait Just so you know, Teddy, I
used to do the wabble, and my sisters and my
husband and everyone used to get on me and say,
you're walking like a duck. You're walking like a duck
all the time. So I started to pay attention to
the fact that I was walking like a duck, and
I don't do it anymore. So I swear, if you tried,
you have tried with I'm uncoachable. We've tried. We tried
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to coach her to walk. Even Brandy Glanville, who's a model,
try to coach her, and she did well. And then
she got on a stage like a truck. I can't
do it. She's got like somevent in her shoes. I can't. Well,
bet you guys, it's who I am. And you know what,
it's who Rachel is apparently too, and there's some other
bad waybody steal your walk. Well, Rachel, if you're gonna
do my walk, please don't do it with low rise
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Frankie Bee jeans. That's all I've got to Oh my god,
Frankie Bee jeans. Do you remember Frankie Bee jeans? I
mean Teddy no, but do you remember Frankie Bee jeans?
Everyone wanted my ass and Frankie Bee jeans, just saying
grab that or not? All right? So just so you know,
low Rise are coming back in. They're all over my
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store and I don't want anything to do with them.
Oh I am not. Mine are like my jeans are
like my chits right now. But I like to get
higher than I would have. I'm sure wasted, so I
like them on my no, but once you pull them
up skin tight over the belly button and you can't
go back. But I have a bubble butt. I like
them to be shorter and bum. I don't want a
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long but oh my god, I have love handles and
they don't need to be held on too right below
my Frankie bees. Yeah, appreciate you coming on. Um. My
final question is I know this has been asked a
million times. Do you truly not believe there's any room
for any reconciliation between you guys and Teresa. I would
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never say never, because that to me feels just I
can't even let that. I don't want to say never. No,
I always hope that a brother and sister can get
back together, and that cousins can spend Christmas together. I'll
always hope that. Well, that makes me happy, then because
they are. They are the cousins seeing each other. Now. Um,
I don't think they see each other a lot. They're
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both in different high schools and who's in college, and
they don't see a lot of each other, but I
know they snapchat and they talk back and forth. All right, Well,
we appreciate you, and I wish you guys the best.
And you know we're saying you're only as good as
last week's episode. So we may say shit and you'll
hate us for a week, but you'll probably like us
again the next week. We're good. All good do you think? Girls?
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Oh night, Bye bye, love you guys. Bye,
Two teas in a pod with Teddy, Melancants and camera Judge.
We are back with the Twats and we have Melissa on.
You guys need to make sure that you go over
to on Display with Melissa Borga to hear the first
(00:23):
part of this podcast because it isn't juice because starting
to heat up when we stopped with your podcast. Now,
we had Jacqueline on about a week ago. She had
a lot to say about you, and you know, a
week it's not like a month ago. I don't feel
like years ago. But you know you you text me
before I could text you because we've been friends for
(00:44):
a long time, right, I kinda I have to admit
I felt a little dirty after it, especially since I
just saw you in Vegas and did an event with
you and Eddie and I both love you and Joe Um.
I felt like a lot was set. There was definitely
a lot said. It was a lot podcast on Bash Melissa,
not from you too, but I'll guess a lot of
questions that would lure her in and with her. I mean,
(01:07):
my question to you guys is like what you her in?
What did we lure her in? Like I just thought
you knew you're saying you didn't know the background she
had been going on other podcasts. I did not know that.
Oh yeah, any platform she can get on to just
say negative things about me. Now, this is my question
to you. Jacqueline has not been on TV for a very,
very long time. I have no connections with her, haven't
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text her, haven't talked to her, don't follow her on Instagram,
know nothing about what's going on in her life. Why
do you think, like, what do you think triggered her
to suddenly come out and just start calling me names
and calling me a manipulator? Seeing she was on Teresa's
podcast after she saw Teresa in Vegas. To me, that's
that's not even a question. But she did it before
(01:50):
she even went to Vegas, right, I don't know about
your podcast. Let me ask you a question. Have you
talked to Jacqueline? Where is this? You say she's bashing you?
Where's this? Do you know? I have zero idea? So
I know you have known her as long as I have.
I haven't seen her since the day she left the show.
She left very abruptly. She hated Teresa, she hated me.
(02:13):
She never wanted to see us again. I never I
understood her in Teresa's fight. They fought hard. You know.
She used to treat accused Joe Judais of you know,
banging the secretary and this and that, and her and
Theresa used to go at it hard. Her and I
we didn't really have that. It was like when Teresa
and I made up, that's when Jacqueline just got really
(02:35):
insecure about something. I don't even know what it was,
but she decided she hated me as well. I don't
know if she thought that meant that I suddenly was
going to be teamed Teresa or something and not be
friends with her as well. She just lost it on me.
I to this day really never had a major argument
with Jacqueline, Like I can't say to you guys, you
know what this was, happened, This is what happened on
the show, and I did this to her and then nothing,
(02:57):
there's zero. I didn't do anything to her on the show.
So I to this day don't know what pissed her
off back then, and I don't know what's pissing her
off eight years later right now. I don't follow her,
I don't talk to her. I've never mentioned her name. Zero.
So you're completely blindsided by all of this, well, I'm blindsided.
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I'm blindsided by it all. I don't get it, and
I'm not engaging in it because to me, it's pointless
and I have enough going on with like like real
life of my own and what I'm dealing with on
my current cast. So for me to dive in and start,
you know, really diving in with Jacqueline and figuring that
out would just be pointless to me and make this
is too much talk about it. If I'm being honest,
(03:39):
I'm going to say I can truly give two shits
about Jacqueline and what she said because I have so
many questions about Jersey and what's going on between you
and Teresa and all. Great, let go the fall there.
I don't want to give any more attention to somebody
that we can't we can't watch what happens on camera,
like to me, like if Bill Piano see any resolution,
(04:01):
it's not of interest to me to talk about. So amen, Amen, Okay,
moving on, moving on, Let's just go right into the
first band question. You're gonna hate me for this, but
I have to ask ahead, do you worry that where
(04:25):
your relationship stands with Teresa, it's going to affect your
place on the show. It possibly could, of course, of
course it could. I think they can get to a
point where they say, I don't know how we're going
to put these two in a room anymore, or they're
gonna put us in a room and say don't speak
to each other and we don't care, right, I mean,
of course, yeah, But I don't really think I have
(04:47):
to get through the reunion first, and I think that's
the way the producers are thinking as well right now,
and executives. They want to get through the reunion. I
don't think that the show can go on without either
talked about this. Yeah, without either one of you. I
want both, and to be honest, I also want Joe. Well,
(05:07):
I don't necessarily need resolution. I don't know that. I
don't know that there is resolution on all issues, but
I can say that I thought this last episode there
was a part of healing that was coming, and then
once that conversation happened between Teresa and her daughters and Louie,
(05:28):
it all shifted right Like I really thought you guys
were in a place where it was going to happen,
which I wonder, is that what's going to keep happening
we're gonna keep believing that there's gonna be a resolution
and then it's just going to whack us back into
reality or what is the issue? Well, on the episode tonight,
Jia actually says in her confessional that everything was fine,
(05:49):
like from the time Teresa came home from prison. She
was good with us, like she was fine. She was
at our shorehouse constantly, she was bringing whoever she was
dating around, we were meeting people, she was hanging out
with us like she was fine. And Jia literally says
on her confessional tonight that we were all at the
short house, but we were all happy. And it changed
(06:10):
when Louie came around. So I don't know what it
is about Louie that made it change, or if it
was Teresa just feeling like, listen, don't need you guys anymore.
I'm going to keep it moving because deep down inside,
she'd never really wanted this relationship, but she was just
kind of stuck with it being her only family. I mean,
I don't really know the full reasoning. I think no
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matter what the excuse is, it sucks and it's sad
because when you have zero other family then it's like
kind of crazy not to at least semi hold onto
the little bit that you have just for holidays and
for birthdays and just for like regular things. I what
I said in that text message the first episode I meant,
which was like, let's keep the peace. Let's not go
(06:53):
to lunch. That's silly. We don't really want to go
to lunch. Why are we going to go to lunch?
Like we don't want to be together at lunch, but
let's be in the same room. Let's reminisce sometimes when
we need to. Let's do what we have to do.
But we don't need to go to lunch. And that's
and I meant that. So I don't know, I don't
know where it goes. I feel like there's been a
lot of leak text messages. It's been happening between you know,
(07:14):
the two families, right, it was responsible for leaking those
text messages, um Teresa and Luis. They gave them to
a website that she talks to you you on the phone.
She's been on the phone with this one website since
two thousand and twelve. She talks to them constantly. They're
they're anti Melissa, They're just they bashed me all day long.
So I think so yeah, she just she's been on
(07:37):
the phone with her for years. So it's basically Teresa's story.
It's basically Teresa tweeting. It's basically Teresa talking. It's always been.
I personally do not like leak text messages. I mean
I don't like it either. Bravo doesn't like it either.
Nobody likes it. I mean, I love them. They've done
great for me. I think that I think that the
(07:58):
lead text messages prove nothing except for more of my point,
which was, we're not doing this for the show. We're
doing this in real life, whether the show's running or not.
We're not going to suddenly show up to your fiftieth
birthday on an island with five of your closest friends
when you just said you're not close to me, you
don't even want me in the wedding. It makes zero sense.
(08:20):
We know that there's an ulterior motive there, and it's
it's fine. I'm not even nailing her to the cross Pard,
I'm just like, I'm not coming. But a question, just
because I have to Devil's advocate the same way I
did when Jacqueline was on, do you think that, no
matter how much you were there for Teresa's daughters while
she was in prison. Using it to prove a point
negates what you did for them, Like, can you see
(08:40):
that at all? Who used it to prove a point?
I didn't was that you on your didn't on the
podcast you said that we put food on the table. Okay,
that is so taken out of context. You have to
listen to the whole entire podcast. What I said with
that was that when Teresa. First of all, when Teresa
went to jail for the first six months, she did
(09:02):
not speak to me or her brother. She didn't write
to us, She didn't she refused to put Joe on
the list. He called her the morning she was leaving,
and she basically hung up on him and said, you're
the reason I'm going to jail. Facts. He was insulted.
Six months no contact. She wanted to start using my
attorney because she thought I was doing well. She reached out.
My attorney called me six months in and said to me,
(09:25):
are you okay with me starting to work with the
Teresa because I really am a criminal attorney, even though
I'm doing some entertainment stuff. And I said, you know what,
I never want to hold you back from this is
a high profile case. It's my sister in law. If
she need you do it, go ahead, Jim, do it.
So I then started to share my attorney with her,
and at that point he started talking sense into her.
(09:48):
I guess, and they the Teresa checks In show was
being pitched and being brought up. It was going to
be in the making. It was for Joe, Judaics and
the girls. She then, at that point, six months later,
put her brother on the list because he needed to
come visit her on Teresa checks In, so vice versa.
(10:09):
Excuse me say that again. Did he get paid? Of course,
we all got paid, but no one got paid like
Teresa got paid. We got like you know, day appearance rate.
Of course, but we were. But my point of that is,
who cares he would have seen her the first day.
She wouldn't put him on the list. The only reason
she put him on the list was because it was
(10:30):
going to benefit her. He was going to come see
her on the show, and she was then going to
get paid for her coming to see it. So everything,
you guys here is always twisting the narrative, and I'm
really getting sick of it. So I need to correct it,
because that's not the truth, and the truth is this
second she put him on the list, he came to
visit her. She started working with my attorney who was
softening things and making her like see the light that
(10:51):
she went to jail for different for all the you know,
for certain reasons that have nothing to do with anybody
but herself and her husband. Right then she loosened up
a little bit and then she allowed me to have
the kids. So that really was from like it started.
And I want to say in like July and I
have I went to my photos from twenty fifteen, that's
(11:13):
the whole year she was away. I have a ton
of photos at ice cream with the girls on my boat,
like from the second she allowed me to have them,
the whole entire summer they were at my home. So
it's just all bullshit. It's a fake narrative. It's always
twisting and turning because it's easy to use that as
a crutch to say that we're opportunists because she was
(11:34):
on the show first, And it's bullshit. It's bullshit. It's
just it's an easy way out for her. Look at you,
You fall into it half the time. It's an easy
way out for her. It's an easy way out. Well, no,
I mean we all get it. We were friends, were
so and so because we want to continue being on
the show, or because we want to do that. Well,
that part, I think is total bs and And that's
(11:56):
what I called Jacqueline and I said, listen, I think
they're both people have been in the wrong. Both parties
have done things that are mistakes. But I think we
are starting to see a side of you this season
that is speaking up for yourself. Yeah, or first for
the first time I've been watching. Yeah, you're in a
very bad position. But you're because it's like your husband,
(12:19):
then your sister in law, and then you don't want
to piss your husband off and you don't want to
you know, it's it's a bad position. Over it. It's
a really bad position, and especially when you finally want
to tell the truth, it makes it worse. Who's holding
the bigger grudge? Is it Teresa or is it Joe? Like?
How can you guys not move forward? Um? I think
both right now. I think Teresa is I don't know
(12:42):
between the two of them, I just I can't tell.
I really can't tell. They both are really pissed off.
Both of them, and I know on your podcast we
were talking a little bit about Tom Sandoval and kind
of like some of his narcissistic traits and whatnot, alleged
narcissistic traits. Do you think that Louie is doing a
(13:03):
control of power and trying to remove Teresa from the
people in her life so that he has all the control.
I mean, he has a lot of x's that have
been spreading a lot of rumors about him and saying
a lot of things about him. Every single thing they
have said is basically what we're seeing everything and he is.
(13:28):
You know, we were told for the last two years
that this man is a narcissist, what he's going to do,
how he's going to control it, and we're just kind
of watching it all play out. Is at this point,
it's out of my business. She's a big girl and
it's on her to deal with this. You know, Joe
and I kept our minds, really, we kept it open
in the beginning. You see, when he first came on,
(13:50):
we had open doors for him. He was at my shorehouse.
I had him with my family. My brother in law's
were cutting his hair. We were, you know, we were
We didn't yeah, because my brother in laws a barber. Yeah,
we would like go and get like, you know, haircuts
in my basement. For it was like we didn't let
them in. You also see him in scene as if
(14:12):
you were saying coaching, but coaching to be better peace,
but coaching her while also bringing the girls in. I
see both sides here. I see him calming her in ways,
but I also see him stirring the ship. I also
give you mad respect for having your children removed from
the table. Yeah, while you're talking about their aunt. Thank you.
(14:37):
It's just it's just one of those things where I'm
not interested in it. I don't care about the show.
I don't care about ratings, I don't care about anything
when it comes to having them look stupid or silly
or disrespectful to situations like that is to me, I've
never felt like it was. Yeah, you recently said on
an interview maybe it was your podcast, that there is
(14:57):
people trying to dig into your personal life, right, is
this something that's going to be shown on the show. Um,
I'm trying to think what part you're at some point,
Oh for sure, for sure, yes, yes, majorly, like majorly.
(15:19):
Is it somebody that's currently on the show doing that? Yes?
Is it Jen Aiden? I can't answer any question. What's
that game? What's that game? It sounds like start unbelievable.
I listen, it's been Aiden. Listen. You can see I'm
(15:43):
in I'm in a position here. It's definitely a spot
where you need to get to the end and then
see how you feel about everything. I'm not saying I'm
one hundred percent right in anything. I never was for
you know, I take accountability for what I am as well.
You know, I never blame our relationship on one person.
That's not who I am. I own up to whatever
(16:04):
I've done, But certain things are just unforgivable and are
take a lot more time to get past than just like, hey,
I'm sorry. Is this one of your most stressful seasons
out of the how many? How many? I would say
this one? Yes, along with season three, the first one
(16:24):
and this one definitely what season? I mean thirteen and three?
Does it bother you? Like? I mean, like sometimes I've
had in the past thirteen years seasons that have like
just bothered me so bad that like my insides were
just affecting my mental health, It's affecting my marriage, effecting
my children, is that a season that you've had or
(16:47):
are you able to push it aside? No, I think
that it's not. No, I'm not like that because if
that was the case, then I mean, if I would
have done something to someone and caused pain to someone
like this, then I would be stressed. But it's happening.
It didn't affect and you know, I can't really say
(17:08):
much more. But no, I'm not stressed out like that.
I think it's more of a sad season. I think
it's a lot of it's not even the season what
you're watching, it's the outside of the show shit that's
going on that I'm like, I'm not we don't get
paid for all of this extra Like what is everyone doing?
Sit down, enjoy your children, like go to the water park,
(17:28):
find your real friends, whoever they may be, and get
the off Twitter. Like, I don't you know what I'm saying, Like,
it's not even the show. I can handle the show
because whatever I said or did on the show, I
wanted to say it and I own it. It's the
off camera stuff that's really the off camera stuff that
I'm like, you're and it's just you're making so much
(17:49):
extra work. You're dividing the cast. It makes no sense.
It feels amateur to me. And I just think the
biggest shit ster on the cast is jen Aiden. It's
it's either Jen Aiden or Margaret. Margaret Shister's in a
different way. Jen Aiden is a sneaky She's a sneaky shitster.
She's behind the scenes that would say sneaky link. She's
(18:12):
a sneaky link. I feel like Margaret pushes storyline. I
don't feel as really as shitster, but I don't. But
here's a I like Margaret, but I'm not getting a
lot of Margaret's personal story. That's my issue. I don't mind,
and I've said this before. I want shitsters. I believe me.
I am a shitster. I love a shitster. But I
(18:34):
have to know what's personally going on in your life
that it's affecting you for me to relate to you
as a shitster, right and if you're not opening up
that side. So right now, Margaret's doing an excellent job
of shit stirring. She doesn't have a lot going on
in your life. Her life's perfect, so she just has
to stir up other people's shit. I mean, I get
some there's seasons where you don't have a lot going on, right,
(18:56):
and then there are seasons where you do. It's it
depends what's actually going going on, and that four months
have you filming, you might be actually like at a
calm point in life where there's nothing crazy going on,
and it sucks if that's when the cameras go up.
So you better be moving storyline. So she moves storyline exactly.
She compensates. She does compensate for that. That way. There's
(19:18):
a big difference between a snake and kind of like
a story stir. Yeah, I mean, I like, I enjoy Margaret.
I don't think I think the show would be failing
without her, but I just um. I also wanted to
ask about Ji Fessler because I have a real issue
with the theatrics tarm Or does not um. I just
(19:38):
feel like it's so over the top. Is that who
she is? It is? It is, it's not I know
what you're saying. She follow your sandwich and I was like,
I think so much another sandwich. I was like, is
she bullshitting me right now? Like, no, she's dead serious,
No one's sharing sandwiches right now. She listen to me.
(20:00):
She will grow to love her if you don't up.
She is a little comic relief that we definitely need
for the show. She says things that are kind of
out of whack when we're all like in the depth,
and you know when your ears hurt from sometimes when
you watch the Bravo shows or the housewives, do your
ears hurt once in a while because you're like, I
just hear yelling. I don't even know what these women
(20:20):
are saying. And she's the one that'll just be like
she'll make it stop and like regroup, which we need sometimes.
So I appreciate her for that. I'll tell you that
because when it starts on the show, I mean, I'm
closes with Rachel. Just our kids are friends. Her and Gino,
Gino and Jaden are really good friends. They go to
(20:41):
school together. Um, she lives in town by me. She's
a little you know, she's she's great. I like Rachel.
Amra says that I have her walk, that she has
my walk, and I'm a little bit upset because that
means there's multiple bad walkers of us out there. But
have you ever noticed Rachel? Does she do the wobble? Teddie?
(21:03):
I used to wait Just so you know, Teddy, I
used to do the wabble, and my sisters and my
husband and everyone used to get on me and say,
you're walking like a duck. You're walking like a duck
all the time. So I started to pay attention to
the fact that I was walking like a duck, and
I don't do it anymore. So I swear, if you tried,
you have tried with I'm uncoachable. We've tried. We tried
(21:27):
to coach her to walk. Even Brandy Glanville, who's a model,
try to coach her, and she did well. And then
she got on a stage like a truck. I can't
do it. She's got like somevent in her shoes. I can't. Well,
bet you guys, it's who I am. And you know what,
it's who Rachel is apparently too, and there's some other
bad waybody steal your walk. Well, Rachel, if you're gonna
do my walk, please don't do it with low rise
(21:49):
Frankie Bee jeans. That's all I've got to Oh my god,
Frankie Bee jeans. Do you remember Frankie Bee jeans? I
mean Teddy no, but do you remember Frankie Bee jeans?
Everyone wanted my ass and Frankie Bee jeans, just saying
grab that or not? All right? So just so you know,
low Rise are coming back in. They're all over my
(22:10):
store and I don't want anything to do with them.
Oh I am not. Mine are like my jeans are
like my chits right now. But I like to get
higher than I would have. I'm sure wasted, so I
like them on my no, but once you pull them
up skin tight over the belly button and you can't
go back. But I have a bubble butt. I like
them to be shorter and bum. I don't want a
(22:30):
long but oh my god, I have love handles and
they don't need to be held on too right below
my Frankie bees. Yeah, appreciate you coming on. Um. My
final question is I know this has been asked a
million times. Do you truly not believe there's any room
for any reconciliation between you guys and Teresa. I would
(22:56):
never say never, because that to me feels just I
can't even let that. I don't want to say never. No,
I always hope that a brother and sister can get
back together, and that cousins can spend Christmas together. I'll
always hope that. Well, that makes me happy, then because
they are. They are the cousins seeing each other. Now. Um,
I don't think they see each other a lot. They're
(23:17):
both in different high schools and who's in college, and
they don't see a lot of each other, but I
know they snapchat and they talk back and forth. All right, Well,
we appreciate you, and I wish you guys the best.
And you know we're saying you're only as good as
last week's episode. So we may say shit and you'll
hate us for a week, but you'll probably like us
again the next week. We're good. All good do you think? Girls?
(23:39):
Oh night, Bye bye, love you guys. Bye,
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