May 8, 2025 • 36 mins
A third Ed joins the podcast this week! From The Real Housewives of Potomac, Eddie Osefo is not holding anything back when it comes being Wendy’s other half.
From cheating rumors to being a little too ‘Happy Eddie’, hear how the show got him in trouble at work.
Plus, does he hold the secret to being a supportive house husband?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is The Eds with Eddie Judge and Edwin ado Jab.
All right, welcome to another podcast of The Eds. My
name is Eddie Judge my.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Co host, and my name is Edwin Arijabe.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
And we have a special guest today that shares a
same first name as I, Eddie Osefo. Eddie Ossefo is
married to the Real Housewives of Potomac Star since twenty
eleven and they share three kids. Wendy joined the Bravo
Universe in twenty twenty and is a current cast member
of the show. I hear you, guys are just starting
(00:34):
the film this next season.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Just kicking off. Yep.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Awesome, Well, welcome Eddie. We're really excited to get to
know you.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Thanks for having me, guys. It's a pleasure to be
in a room for the Eddies, you know. So yeah,
the universe has a line properly, so I'm glad to
be here.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So let's get to know you, Eddie. There's so many
things I want to ask you. There's so many things
we have in common too. The first and foremost is
we're on a housewife show together. Essentially, tell us a
little bit about yourself. Where did you grow up, Bettie?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
So a little background on me. I grew up in Baltimore, Maryland.
I have four siblings. I went to school locally, University
of Maryland College Park, computer Engineering. Actually I met my
wife while we were in high school. We were just friends.
Her family had moved to the area. So I've known
her actually since we were about seventeen years old. But
we we went away to college, remain friends, stayed in touch,
(01:31):
but then upon graduating from college, she went off the temple.
I stayed local at University of Maryland College Park. We
got together after we graduated, and so that's kind of
where our love story began in the DC metro area
together getting married in twenty eleven. Yeah, and that's kind
of like where our love story began.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, that sounds great. Tell us a little bit about
what it was like growing up as a kid, you know,
those are the details that are left out when you know,
we really get to know you.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Do you have siblings, Yeah, so I have four siblings.
I'm the second oldest. I have an older sister who
was two years older, a younger brother two years younger
than me, and then a sister who was two years.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Younger than him.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
And then we have our junior youngest sister, who is
four years younger than my youngest sister, So we're all
two years apart except for my youngest sister. And so yeah,
just growing up in Maryland, you know, we're the My
parents were immigrant parents from Nigeria. They came here, you know,
raised us as best they could. A lot of my siblings.
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You know, they use education as a tool to advance
in life, and so that's why they placed the heavy
emphasis on education. So you know, in our household, it
was either you're going to be a doctor, lawyer, or
an engineer, and so it kind of got the best
of all worlds.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
And my older sisters a doctor. I'm a lawyer.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
My younger brother is a computer engineer, and then my
two younger sisters are doctor. So they kind of like
really pushed education in our household, and we kind of
had to follow through otherwise we'd be failures if we
didn't follow through on that ask for my parents. But
I mean it was it was a good It was
a good child. You know, I had fun. I had
a lot of fun growing up. I played a lot
of sports, you know, I was I would say, I'm
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a smart jock. You know, because I played you know, football, basketball, baseball,
but also you know, excelled in the classroom. So I
wasn't the jock jock, but you know, I try to
balance it. Uh popular kid. A lot of kids, you
know were friends with me. You know, I smiled a
lot growing up, so it was easy to attract friends
and uh you know, build that community.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
So it was it was good.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
It was good growing up, you know, in our neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
It sounds like the you know, atypical American dream, immigrant
parents coming here and then raising amazing children and becoming
really good citizens and providing you know, value to the
American dream.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I did.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Notice you are you have two degrees, you're a lawyer,
and you do something else.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
So it's funny because I my undergrad was in engineering,
computer engineering, but then I went to law school, so
I got my jd. Then it was a dual program,
so I got my jd NBA. But then I went
back to law school to get an LLM. So I
got an LLM focused in state and local tax and
that's kind of where I began my career in the
state and local tax practice. So I've done that for
probably the past thirteen fourteen years, but then most recently
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I kind of pivoted to it's just funny because you
don't know what Housewives will do to you until Housewives
does something to you.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
But it was like, I forget what season it was.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
But one of the women on the show were coining
me Happy Edti because I smiled at her.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
So she took it as like a reference that I
tried to.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Hit on her and then I was smiling and the
name kind of, you know, took a life zone and
went viral online. People were like, oh, this this woman
is crazy, like so now you can't smile at someone
otherwise you're hitting on them and trying to be nefarious
in your actions. And so, you know, I took that
name that was Happy Eddi. And Maryland went legal in
terms of recreational use for marijuana. So I started a
cannabis brand in twenty twenty three, and I launched the
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cannabis brand in Maryland. It's been doing really well. Took
the name Happy Edi ran with it. I have a
lot of products in the market and most recently, you know,
we're expanding into the New Jersey market and the Missouri market.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
So I kind of turned.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Those lemons that happened as a result of housewives and
turned it into lemonade and kind of made you know,
the entrepreneurial business push.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Well, I love the name Happy Eddie. I think you know,
I tell my sales guys all the time, even people
that think they're now sells people. I'm like, if you
could just smile when you speak, you just automatically have
this charisma that comes out where people, at the end
of the day, people like you and trust you, they're
going to want to do business with you, and you'd
be you'd be amazed what a smile can do. And
(05:37):
from the get go, from even though I didn't know
you prior to you coming on the show, immediately when
you came in, you just had this big old smile
on your face, and I'm like, man, I like this guy.
I can't wait to interview them. And but anyway, so
I love the name and how you're an all around
type of guy. You mentioned you know you were a
smart you know jock, and you know you played a
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lot of sports. How do you contribute you know, your
success in business as an entrepreneur, but also in school.
How did sports sort of get you ready for that.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I think sports is actually a key component of any
kind of I guess thing you want to do in life,
because it teaches you when you face adversity, when you lose,
you can come back and have a good game, you know,
if you will, you can learn from your mistakes and
then apply to them on your next.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Your next project.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
And I think in business, you know you're gonna hit pitfalls,
you're gonna hit obstacles, you're gonna hit hurdles, and it's
all about how you react to those hurdles.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
It's not about how you dwelling the.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Mistakes that you made, but about how you take that
as a learning lesson and you apply it to your
next you know, project. And I think I've used that
in sports, just you know, you're not gonna win every game,
so just losing, what do I do wrong? Okay, what
I do wrong, let's fix it for the next game.
And so applying that in the business world, it's just
like a it was kind of you know, you didn't
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really have to think about it, you just have to
do it. And I think that's what's been very advantageous
and helpful in the business run, because you're able to
just apply your learnings and all right, I'm not going
to go with this type of vendor because I know
what happened last time. Let's do this due diligence first thing.
You know, things like that you apply going forward.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, and then with the obviously very smart you got
all these degrees, and typically some people that go that
route get stuck working in the corporate world. What finally
made you say, you know what, I'm gonna try this
entrepreneur thing.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
It's funny because you know, I thought, you know, in
my small world, I thought, you know, the corporate ladder
was the way to go. That was the you know,
you just work your way up the corporate ladder. You'll
find happiness once you get to the top. And then
once you get to the top, you really realize, like, no,
it's just more ladders to climb, you know what I mean,
It's not really like you're going to get to the top.
And so I think at that point, you know, social
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media kind of took a life of its own, and
you start seeing people really living life and really enjoying life,
and they weren't necessarily doing the traditional jobs and careers
that you would imagine. I kind of I think that
kind of opened my eyes to what else is out there?
You know, can you could apply you know, I can
go solo practitioner and you know, be an attorney. But
there's also other entrepreneurial pursuits that you could do. And
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I kind of took that button.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I ran with them.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I said, Okay, what else can I do in the
realm of entrepreneurship that I like to do that I
could achieve, you know, leverage my you know, learnings, and
leverage my career and what I've done and really succeed
in that. And I think that, you know, in the
cannabis industry. I never thought I would be in the cannibisry.
I sports and foremost. It just kind of like it
was an opportunity that I saw opening and I kind
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of ran with it. But I think I was able
to leverage that legal background and apply it to the
cannabis industry.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I'm curious what your parents said, right, you're either a doctor, engineer,
or lawyer, and here you are saying I'm gonna go
sell cannabis. How did they take it?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:46):
You know, like I said, they were immigrant parents, so
they really no matter how much you frame it, the
conversation it's still you're selling weed. You know, you're selling weed,
and people were rocked up for selling weed. You know,
I don't know what you're talking about. So I think
it's it's it's.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
A work in progress.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
It's a lot of massaging that goes on, but it's
really I think the more and more they see it
in the public's realm, the more and more they understand
that it's legal. It's a business, is an industry. It's
a growing industry. It's like pharmaceutical drugs. You know, it's
like an industry within the society that is growing, and
it's that taking a life of the sowing. And so
I think the more and more they see it as
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a legal business, the more they're like, Okay, he's just
doing business and that's just part of the business that
he's doing.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So I think maybe more accepting of it.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, for sure, as long as we don't use our own.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Supply, there you go, you know, you refuse it.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So let me ask, I forgot to task earlier. Are
you still practicing law part time at all? Or have
you given that up?
Speaker 4 (09:48):
So I'm still legally licensed the practice law, but I've
done more consulting. I call it more consulting because I'm
able to manage my schedule more and take on clients
as I have capacity to do that, And so I
would say that right now, and I'm really trying to
put four forced effort into the entrepreneurship of the cannabis
brand and growing that brand as much as I can
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and getting into a position where it's self sufficient. But
then you know, I'm in a position to now have
the freedom to do what I want to do, but
definitely don't want to lose that legal training on that
legal side, but it does take time, and so you
can't kind of serve all masters, so you kind of
got to pick and choose what you do with your time.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I'm sure that legal mind has helped you and a
lot of the decisions you're making for your new venture.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
How did you and your wife reconnect?
Speaker 4 (10:42):
By the way, So it's funny because we so we
went away to school, but we always stayed in touch
through you know, instant messenger, So we stayed in touch.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
And actually I joined.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Well, she joined her sorority first, and so then I
was joining a fraternity in Maryland, and I invited her
to our introduction show and I said, hey, you should
come down. You know, your your friends, your sorority sisters
will be here, you should come. And so she ended
up not making it to that show, but she ended
up making it to other events that I had from
my fraternity.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
And that's kind of like.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Where we I wouldn't say we fell apart, but we were.
You know, we're in different school, so we have our
own group of friends, but we kind of reconnected when
she came to my fraternities events and then you know,
saw that we shared common allity, share carmon friends, and
then we kind of got back together at friendship wise,
and then afterwards, you know, we kind of tried the romantic,
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you know journey and then here we are today.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Who's got more degrees? You or your wife?
Speaker 4 (11:39):
You know, that's a great question if you asked the audience.
You know, because she her first season, she was four
degrees Wendy. For degrees, doctor Wendy. We have the same
four degrees when you do the math, So it's funny,
but she was missed four degrees Wendy.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Now, was that coincidence that if she didn't have the degrees,
do you think you would have married? Or was that
like a part of it, Or was that like a
you know, like an I like a woman that's got
an education, that's independent. Did that play into her being
the one? Or did it really not matter if she
could have just not any degrees and you still would
have gone with her.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I think she could have not had any degrees. I
still probably would have won her. I like an ambitious,
intelligent woman, but I don't really like honestly, until she started,
she said on the show that season, I don't realize
she had that many degrees, Like, I mean, we were
just like you know, serial school, you know, attendees.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, I think that's a very interesting question edwin because
if I was to put myself in that situation, I'd
say I'd need a woman that has to be smart
in order to have a conversation after you know, having sex,
you know, because that's the number one thing, you know,
us men think about, and then after that, what do
you do. I'm really happy for you guys that you
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found each other. And I understand you have three children.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah, yeah, so we have a twelve year old boy,
ten year old boy, and a five year old girl
who runs the house.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Oh and she's got two older brothers and she runs
a house, and she.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Runs the house. It's like something that would tell her.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Are you guys gonna instill the same motto of education
to be a doctor, lawyer, or engineer?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You know, I don't think so, because I mean, we
know better, so we should definitely do better. We know
that there's more out there. You got to pursue happiness.
It's not all about going to school. And yeah, it
may not be what your happiness is. You know, you
could be the worst student, but if your parents are
pushing school on, you think that's the only way. And
so I think that we definitely want to be more
open minded, give them more of a sense of the
opportunities out in the world. You know, you can be
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an entrepreneur, you could be you know, you could go
to school, you could be a doctor if you want.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
You could be whatever you want to be.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
But you have to find out what your passion is
and fulfill that and chase that passion, that dream. So
I think that's something that I didn't get grown up.
But I think that we're definitely to instilling our kids
that you know, follow your dream, follow your passions, and
it will lead to work that doesn't feel like work. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I always tell our kids, like, you can do whatever
you want. Sometimes they're not doing anything, and it's frustrating.
But as long as they have a foundation of some
sort of education, some sort of subject, they can go
left or right. I've known a lot of people who've had,
you know, an education in botany and opened up restaurants,
and even lawyers who got their degree and ended up
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practicing or quitting the practice of law and doing something
in business in general. So I think we are if
we see the opportunity, we can do anything we want.
But if you get stuck in that, you know, same regimen,
like I have an engineering degree, that's all I'm going
to do. That's where I think eventually you wake up,
you know, forty fifty years later and you realize I
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could have done so much more.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Exactly, are the kids more into sports right now? Are
they more into school right now?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
They are more Well.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
It's funny because if they don't do well in school,
they can't play sports. But they actually do well in sports,
which is I'm living vicariously through because you know, they
enjoy football, basketball, My daughter is into dance and gymnastics. Uh,
and so they enjoy sports, but they also do well
in school, which I'm happy about. So I'm trying to
push sports, you know, I'm trying to really push sports.
But they're not you know, they're kind of way and
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they're kind of wanting to play video games.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
War.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, they're in that age video sports games.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
That's true. NBA two K and Maddie. I'm like, that's
not the real thing. Go out and such bread.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Although you know, I wouldn't knock it too much because
it's a big world of online gaming. I don't know
how familiar you are with it. I had an entrepreneur
friend of mine who was part of that world in
our EO group, and he introduced me to that. And
it's a huge, huge, It's almost bigger than our real
sports game worlds, the e sports, like the video game sports.
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Are you guys familiar with that?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, I heard about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Oh it's huge. It's enormous. It's its own world and
it's worldwide.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Mm hmm, yeah, pretty good.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I think anything that makes you compete is good because
I haven't met a successful person that's not competitive. Like,
if you're not competitive, you're not going to go past
your own capacity, you know. So it's why I asked
about sports. That's what sports taught me is that you know,
to be competitive and if you work hard enough, even
though you might not start off on the you know
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at the top, you can you can very well get
there if you if you have the hard work ethic
and and you're just consistent.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
But the other thing that sports teaches you is you
win some and you lose some. I think that was
Eddie's point earlier. You know, that's that's a that's a
really good lesson. I think it helps with any level
of success at any level of life, from relationships to
friendships to business. You know, you you're going to lose
some and you're gonna have to get back up and
try it again.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Yeah, failure is the best teacher, It really is.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
So Eddie, when you first heard about the Housewives, did
you know about the show? And I guess that's the
first part And second were you Was it an automatic yes?
Or do you like have to marinate on it that
for a bed?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
You know, I feel like I heard about the Housewives,
but I to me it was one of those things
where you could turn it on, turn it off. I
wasn't really invested in the Housewives so kind of when
the opportunity presented itself. My wife brought the opportunity, I'm like, oh,
you should do it. You know, Yolo, you only live once,
you know, why not. I wasn't thinking about what it
takes to be on the show. I was just thinking about, Wow,
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you get to be on TV. You get to go
to fancy events and have fun.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
I didn't think that someone can really just say whatever
the hell they want to say on national TV.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
That's it. But yeah, I just.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Thought it was an opportunity, and I thought it was
a great opportunity to leverage a platform to go and
continue to pursue your dreams. And I didn't think about
everything that it entails. And I think over I think
this is our six year. I've kind of gotten to
a sweet spot where I understand, like, you know, there's
no reward without risk. You got to go through the
fire to get to the green pasture. And so anytime
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I have to talk my wife off the ledge a
lot because she's yeah, scorching earth and blow the whole
establishment up, and I'm like, hey, it's a show. You know,
everyone's doing their job, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, do you feel like after five years, do you
think you finally have the hang of it. I saw
this clip of you being on the what do you
call it, what's the season finale thing called reim the reunion,
and I was and I honestly thought, man, that's ballsy.
I would never go on to reunion. They freaking paid
me because it's there's so much drama that happens, and
you were so calm, you were just man. It was
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like you were made for it. And that's like a
hot seed of all hot seeds. So yeah, what was
that experience?
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Like, you know, it's good when you're not actually in
the hot seat, meaning it's not my drama that's being
talked about, but it's still you know, these women they're
in a different level, different league, and so I can't
keep up. And so I really I don't try to
keep up like I try to, you know, simple do
my time and then roll out because they eat you
out and spit you out if you try to get
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involved in the women drama. You know, so I try to,
you know, I really just try to stay out the way.
I really try to be pleasant, don't get into drama,
give advice, and then go, you know, and go go,
go to my separate corner because you.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Can really get caught up in the women's drama.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
And then now in this day and age, you have
not just what you film, but you have social media,
you have the blogs, you have the bloggers, you have
all these different people weighing in with opinions, and it's like,
you know, you lived it, it's your truth, but everyone
has their opinion, and people want to believe lies or
believe untruths more than they want to believe the truth.
So you got to really keep everything in perspective when
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you're on these shows.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
It definitely has evolved tremendously from the beginning, where I
remember they used to have a rule where the women
could not even talk outside of filming. They couldn't, you know,
have a conversation, They couldn't go to lunch, they couldn't
go not that they would, but it was really strict
about not making it as or not conversing about what's
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going on unless the cameras were there. And then as
social media came to light and everybody's posting pictures and everything,
and then blogging came to light just like the real world,
right like even in business. What I'd noticed growing up
and wrapping my head around the big companies that promote
their product is better than b product, right, and they're
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saying all these horrible things. It happens in politics. You know,
one politician putting out this ugly story about another politician
sleeping with a dog or something like that. You know,
just can you do that? Why are you doing that?
It just seems so dirty, And that's how i'd kind
of seen the show evolved in to get really dirty.
What has been some of the things that negative things
(20:45):
that you've experienced on the show personally?
Speaker 4 (20:50):
I remember one year I think it was probably the
second year, maybe sixth season, where there was a rumor
that was totally made up by the blogs about an
extra marital affair about having a baby about.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I think that.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Maybe that was the extent that maybe there was even more,
don't I don't.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Even recall, but it was.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
All lies, yeah, And it was all lies that started
in the blogs because I think it was one of
those things to get attention, to get clicks. And then
because it's in the blogs, you know, the women are
the women, and they do what they do, so they
bring it on the platform. So now it's on the platform,
So now the world sees it, and so you kind
of relive it over and over again because you film
(21:31):
it and then it now it runs in it and
it airs. And so that was probably the toughest season
because like, wait, so they really can say whatever they
want to say. Until this day, no one circles back
and says, you know what, that was a lie or
that was untrue. They just we just move on. But
you know, the articles and the footage it still lasts forever.
And just having to live through that and just knowing that,
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you know, I wasn't one of those people that went
on social media to try to campaign for, you know,
the validity of what I'm saying. I just say, hey,
you guys are gonna believe what you want to believe.
I know what the truth is, and I'm gonna proceed
with the truth. But it could have I could have
taken that route, and then I would have just.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Been on every website, every blog.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Saying no, this is untrue, this is untrue. And I
didn't choose that path. But it's really it can go
it depends on how you take it.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
It can really go back, you know, bad for you.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Like you know, I remember at that time, I think
HR had called me into a meeting to talk about, well,
if you know, because I was in a position of superiority,
is there someone who you've been with at the firm,
because we would need to know that, you.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Know, going forward.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
And it's like, wow, oh this is all There is
a woman who just made this stuff up. It's totally
lies and fabricated. But I had to have that conversation. Wow,
they don't know that when they're doing this online and
you know, on TV, but this is real life. It's
not just reality TV. It's really real life. So having
to deal with that, that was probably the toughest year
that year.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I think for me, it's really just been two things
that they've been trying to, you know, push on us.
And I'm as confident as you eddywhere you know, if
you want to believe the live, you believe the live.
If the worst thing you can say is that I'm
gay in my marriage as a sham, or that my
wife and I are getting divorced, If that's the worst
(23:11):
thing you can say, I got no reason to go
out and defend it. But if you're calling me a
criminal and I'm getting investigated by the FBI, or I
you know, I hit and run and a dui, or
I do something really bad and illegal. Those are the
people that are going on. They're trying to defend themselves like, no,
it didn't it happened this way right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
So guilty, it's so obvious, right, Yeah, Eddie, I loved
what you said earlier in regards to just the girls
being at another level. I often tell people like, you
don't understand how witty you have to be to be
on this show, Like how quick the girls are, Like
(23:51):
if you try to get into it, they will eat
you alive.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Is there a person on the show that you're like, Man,
I don't want to mess with that one other than
your wife of course, right, other.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Than my wife because I got to mess with her
on a daily basis, you know, Like I said, I mean,
they're all it's weird because I think I pride myself
on being quick and being quick on my feet, but
these women, like they will wrap you up in your
words and you're like, wait, what was I trying to say?
You just want to exit the conversation quickly, so I wouldn't.
There's not one that I would want to talk, you
(24:23):
know with, or have a verbal dispute with because they
all have it and I don't you know, I don't
want to test it. I've seen it in action and
I'm like, man, okay, I've actually seen guys try to
interact with the one of the ladies and I'm like,
it's not gonna end well for you.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Shout out to whoever does the casting, right, It's like
they know what they're doing because these girls are just quick. Man,
I'm amazed. And you know a lot of times people
think of like, well, what do they do? They're just
going on the show and talking like they are very smart.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Yes, yes, yeah, if you're not quick, you're not gonna
last long. They're gonna eat you alive, a woman, as
a new wife, as anything. Yeah, you're not gonna last
very long.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Now, a real serious question, and I'm sure the viewers
will want to hear the truth and honest answer. And
that's have you and your wife ever like had fights
stupid fights over what happened on the show or what's
going on on the show, And you're like, what the
hell are we fighting about?
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yes, short answer, yes, And it's it happened a lot
in the beginning as well, because it's like you know,
it's reality TV, but then you have your own reality
and it's like I maybe subconsciously I would say something
that maybe happen online or happened one of the women
called her on the show, and I'll say it at
home and she's like, see, you're using the show against me,
(25:44):
and I'm like, I didn't even realize it. It's just
you know, still a word, but I didn't realize it.
But it's like those type of things are triggers when
she's going through, you know, filming the show or just
not seeing aya eye on. Okay, there's a dispute on
the show, and I'm giving you my honest opinion, and
you don't like minest opinion because you know, you feel
(26:05):
like I'm signing with someone else.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Like disputes about the show.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
They happened in the beginning, and I had to just realize, like, Okay,
give my wife some time to decompress from filming. Don't
ask her about filming, don't ask her about the show,
you know, ask her about how hard they went, and
then try not to get too invested in this show
because inevitably, you know, we end up being the sounding
board when they come back from you know, these cast
events or filming or what have you, we end up
(26:31):
being the sounding board or the voice of reasoning, the
con voice. And so I think that, you know, we
have gotten vice to beginning. We haven't gotten into them
lately because it's really like, oh okay, oh that's going on.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Oh wow wow, yeah, yeah, you kind of figured out,
you know, like it's just a TV show. And as
long as they don't do or say anything that will
really hurt our career or our livelihood, I think it's
just a TV show. But when they start really affecting
the other things that are important, like even your relationship
(27:01):
with your kids or business partners or whatnot, I don't
really see that happening. Because my my truth is as
long as I'm not doing anything illegal, immoral or you know, criminal,
I'm fine, you know, just me just having a good
time in life. So I'm not breaking the law and
(27:21):
going to jail and you know, becoming a yoga instructor
because I was in jail for a year, you know,
just not I'm just not doing shit like that, just
being me.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
So and you can tell when they make when they
make up those lives and they don't stick, they just
go away.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Right, Yeah, and the ones that stick are the ones
that are going no, no, it's not true. It's this way.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
What's the best thing that's come out of being on
Housewives for you?
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Great question, that's a great question. I think.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
You know what's funny, I think actually being on Housewives
has in our relationship my wife Wendy and I strengthen
our relationship because it's forced us. I forced us, but
it allowed us to get closer when you feel like
it's us against the world. So I think that's one thing.
I think also my kids have actually I've been able
to maintain a sense of normalcy for them but also
(28:19):
build them up in a way that I wasn't you know,
I wasn't raised so in a sense of, you know,
they're growing up in the spotlight, you know, like I
have two boys they walked on in New York Fashion
Week one year, and like those opportunities, Like I've never
had those opportunities growing up. So being able to give
them those type of opportunities is one of those things
whereas once in a lifetime. And so I really appreciative
(28:39):
of the Housewives universe for allowing them that space and
that opportunity to go that way, and then also just
starting businesses like this cannabis business.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
You know that I started.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
It's happy EDDI wouldn't be happy Edti if I wasn't on.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
This platform, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
And so I think that the opportunity to meet the
people I've met, to be in the rooms that I've
been in, I've been able to I've been one of
those peop well that said, if I'm going to be
talked about on this show, I'm going to leverage this
platform to my benefit. I'm not going to be talked
about and then I go in the corner and I'll
cry and I'll say, oh man, they talk about me.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
No, I'm going to take full advantage of the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
And so that's what I've kind of prided myself when
trying to do and not just sitting on the sidelines
and just you know, eating popcorn and watching the show
go on.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
It's definitely a springboard to anything you want to do.
We've been very successful with our CBD company as well,
and I don't think we'd be where we're at without
the platform. Although we launched our company in twenty eighteen
or twenty nineteen, but towards the beginning of the farm Bill,
so Bravo wasn't very inclined to show anything cannabis. And
(29:45):
we did a whole you know, one of those parties
and all the housewives were there, and you got to
make sure there's a bitch fight otherwise it's not going
to air, and there was, and they just decided not
to show it, and that really pissed me off and
made me really think twice about what am I doing
on the show if they're not going to you know,
do their part. So fortunately we were true to our
(30:08):
brand and built it up, you know, like or just
a regular business. And fortunately the brand and the products
spoke for themselves because in this industry when we started,
you couldn't advertise anything cannabis, not on social media nowhere.
So we were like, how were we supposed to sell
you something? We can't tell you it's good for how
it works for you. You know, it's very challenging. So yeah,
(30:32):
I'm really I mean, it's it's a tough business, but
it's very rewarding because it is it is a medicinal plant,
and a lot of customers have benefited from it.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Definitely, I would love the trust of their products too.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
What's the one thing that you would you know, for
any entrepreneur that's listening to the show or that's maybe
wanting to get into into a new business, what's the
number one advice you would give them coming from the
corporate world, Because I'm sure a lot of fans of
the show are probably nine to five corporate people that
maybe dream of jumping into that entrepreneurship. And Eddie maybe
(31:08):
you could answer that as well, what is the number
one advice that you would give someone that's thinking about
maybe getting into entrepreneurship.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Yeah, I would say the number one advice I would
I would give is to seek out I guess you
call the mentors or seek out a board of advisors
who are doing what you want to do, and really
educate yourself on what.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
It is you're trying to get yourself into.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Because you know, people, believe it or not, they love
to talk and they love especially when they're experting their field.
They love to share knowledge and love to be the
go to person of the knowledge base, and so I
think seeking out folks who can give you that information
transfer and can give you that quick cliff notes into
the industry, and then you take that learning and you
apply it to you know, what you're trying to do.
(31:55):
I think that's invaluable, and that's kind of advice that
you won't be able to realize until you're fully entrenched
in facing obstacles in the industry, and then you be
able to call upon those people or call upon that
advice that you were given, you know, initially.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
So I think that's probably the number one advice that
I would give.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
To anyone who is venturing out and don't think because
you're leaving corporate America, you're gonna leave all that learning behind,
because you're gonna apply all those characteristics, you know, setting meetings,
setting an agenda, you know, running through your you know
your outcomes and what you're to do list, like, you
have to utilize those things in entrepreneurship every single day.
If you don't, like, you're gonna flounder and waste time
(32:30):
and it's not going to be good for you. So
I think that's the number one advice I would give.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I have to agree one hundred percent, yeah with what
you said, And the only thing I would piggyback on is,
you know, it's the hardest. It's like finding a life partner,
it's finding the right people that are going to be
on the board, on the ship with you, you know, and
have skin in the game, because doing it on your
own is one of the hardest things to do in business.
(32:56):
You know, you're going to be wearing too many hats
and it's going to be too difficult to say seed.
So find a partner or two, or as many as
you can get that will help you improve your chances
of success, you know. But again, make sure there are
people you really trust, you really know they have a
skin in the game and a real interest in the game,
(33:17):
because doing it by yourself is too hard.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yep, yeah, no, I agree with that, and I love
the answer.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
What I would add to that as far as you
know the importance of association and the importance of mentorship.
A lot of people say, well, I don't have access
to those people, and the reality of it is you do.
With all the YouTube stuff that's there, you could literally
study people. And I can tell you that one one
of the ways you can connect with people is if
you DM them and you tell them something back about
(33:45):
a story that they told about their life. If you
could tie that back to like if you can show
them that you paid attention to their story, they will
get back to you. So it's got to be something
speciftiffic that they know. Man, this person took the time
to study me. Yeah, right, versus just sending them a generic.
(34:08):
I sent this to one thousand people, and let's say
if you respond, if you could make it very unique
where they know it's specific to them, you'd be amazed
how many people will respond to you.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, or even if you're trying to work for a company,
you do the research, you know, you look into the company,
you find out everything about it, and don't send them
a hey are you hiring? Email? Say hey, I'd love
to work for you, and here's the reasons why.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Right, you got to do your due diligence for sure
to do it.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
And what's next for you, Eddie? What's what do you
got planned? And what are you looking forward to in
this new season?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
So this new season it's just getting off the grounds.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
I don't know how. I don't want to be the
leak if you will, but the new seas is getting
off the ground. It's going really well. I think this
next season is going to be a great season. There's
also some other things in the pipeline for the the
ocepos and so I think that you know, we have
some announcements coming up in terms of family announcement, and
(35:10):
then we also, you know, like I said, I'm expanding
the brand.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
So I'm going to be traveling a lot.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Into different states and partnering with different folks that some
people may know, some people may not know, a lot
of people probably do know.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
And so just just.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Trying to make the most of you know, the opportunities
and really just trying to enjoy the ride.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
While it's still a ride. If you will, love that.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Love it Eddie Man, you're again very charismatic. Your business
is obviously I think, going to do very well. I
love the business you picked. I think it's especially as
to your point, as more states get a little more
I guess what's the word, uh lenient. Yeah, I think
it's it's it's a great business, especially with your platform
(35:52):
as well. So very excited to see you continue to shine.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Thanks, Thanks guys. The Eddie's finally squeeze right middle with
the Eddie Orioles.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Well you come down to la hit us up man, Yeah, please,
we'd love to.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
We'll do, we'll do.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
And are you going to Bravo Con this year.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Probably, Actually I went the past years and I went
to Bravo Fans did Okay? Probably?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, Well, hopefully we'll see you there because I'm excited
about it. I I went to the one two years
ago in Vegas and it was so awesome. I met
so many you know, other house husbands and you know,
not a lot of them I like, but a lot
of my I really got to know, and and especially
the Jersey boys.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
There are a lot of fun there there there, there
are a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
There are a lot of fun. So hopefully we'll get
to see you then, if not before. And thank you
so much for being on the EDS.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Thanks for having me, guys. I appreciate it.
This is The Eds with Eddie Judge and Edwin ado Jab.
All right, welcome to another podcast of The Eds. My
name is Eddie Judge my.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Co host, and my name is Edwin Arijabe.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
And we have a special guest today that shares a
same first name as I, Eddie Osefo. Eddie Ossefo is
married to the Real Housewives of Potomac Star since twenty
eleven and they share three kids. Wendy joined the Bravo
Universe in twenty twenty and is a current cast member
of the show. I hear you, guys are just starting
(00:34):
the film this next season.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Just kicking off. Yep.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Awesome, Well, welcome Eddie. We're really excited to get to
know you.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Thanks for having me, guys. It's a pleasure to be
in a room for the Eddies, you know. So yeah,
the universe has a line properly, so I'm glad to
be here.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
So let's get to know you, Eddie. There's so many
things I want to ask you. There's so many things
we have in common too. The first and foremost is
we're on a housewife show together. Essentially, tell us a
little bit about yourself. Where did you grow up, Bettie?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
So a little background on me. I grew up in Baltimore, Maryland.
I have four siblings. I went to school locally, University
of Maryland College Park, computer Engineering. Actually I met my
wife while we were in high school. We were just friends.
Her family had moved to the area. So I've known
her actually since we were about seventeen years old. But
we we went away to college, remain friends, stayed in touch,
(01:31):
but then upon graduating from college, she went off the temple.
I stayed local at University of Maryland College Park. We
got together after we graduated, and so that's kind of
where our love story began in the DC metro area
together getting married in twenty eleven. Yeah, and that's kind
of like where our love story began.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, that sounds great. Tell us a little bit about
what it was like growing up as a kid, you know,
those are the details that are left out when you know,
we really get to know you.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Do you have siblings, Yeah, so I have four siblings.
I'm the second oldest. I have an older sister who
was two years older, a younger brother two years younger
than me, and then a sister who was two years.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Younger than him.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
And then we have our junior youngest sister, who is
four years younger than my youngest sister, So we're all
two years apart except for my youngest sister. And so yeah,
just growing up in Maryland, you know, we're the My
parents were immigrant parents from Nigeria. They came here, you know,
raised us as best they could. A lot of my siblings.
(02:33):
You know, they use education as a tool to advance
in life, and so that's why they placed the heavy
emphasis on education. So you know, in our household, it
was either you're going to be a doctor, lawyer, or
an engineer, and so it kind of got the best
of all worlds.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
And my older sisters a doctor. I'm a lawyer.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
My younger brother is a computer engineer, and then my
two younger sisters are doctor. So they kind of like
really pushed education in our household, and we kind of
had to follow through otherwise we'd be failures if we
didn't follow through on that ask for my parents. But
I mean it was it was a good It was
a good child. You know, I had fun. I had
a lot of fun growing up. I played a lot
of sports, you know, I was I would say, I'm
(03:11):
a smart jock. You know, because I played you know, football, basketball, baseball,
but also you know, excelled in the classroom. So I
wasn't the jock jock, but you know, I try to
balance it. Uh popular kid. A lot of kids, you
know were friends with me. You know, I smiled a
lot growing up, so it was easy to attract friends
and uh you know, build that community.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
So it was it was good.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
It was good growing up, you know, in our neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
It sounds like the you know, atypical American dream, immigrant
parents coming here and then raising amazing children and becoming
really good citizens and providing you know, value to the
American dream.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I did.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Notice you are you have two degrees, you're a lawyer,
and you do something else.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
So it's funny because I my undergrad was in engineering,
computer engineering, but then I went to law school, so
I got my jd. Then it was a dual program,
so I got my jd NBA. But then I went
back to law school to get an LLM. So I
got an LLM focused in state and local tax and
that's kind of where I began my career in the
state and local tax practice. So I've done that for
probably the past thirteen fourteen years, but then most recently
(04:17):
I kind of pivoted to it's just funny because you
don't know what Housewives will do to you until Housewives
does something to you.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
But it was like, I forget what season it was.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
But one of the women on the show were coining
me Happy Edti because I smiled at her.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
So she took it as like a reference that I
tried to.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Hit on her and then I was smiling and the
name kind of, you know, took a life zone and
went viral online. People were like, oh, this this woman
is crazy, like so now you can't smile at someone
otherwise you're hitting on them and trying to be nefarious
in your actions. And so, you know, I took that
name that was Happy Eddi. And Maryland went legal in
terms of recreational use for marijuana. So I started a
cannabis brand in twenty twenty three, and I launched the
(04:56):
cannabis brand in Maryland. It's been doing really well. Took
the name Happy Edi ran with it. I have a
lot of products in the market and most recently, you know,
we're expanding into the New Jersey market and the Missouri market.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
So I kind of turned.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Those lemons that happened as a result of housewives and
turned it into lemonade and kind of made you know,
the entrepreneurial business push.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Well, I love the name Happy Eddie. I think you know,
I tell my sales guys all the time, even people
that think they're now sells people. I'm like, if you
could just smile when you speak, you just automatically have
this charisma that comes out where people, at the end
of the day, people like you and trust you, they're
going to want to do business with you, and you'd
be you'd be amazed what a smile can do. And
(05:37):
from the get go, from even though I didn't know
you prior to you coming on the show, immediately when
you came in, you just had this big old smile
on your face, and I'm like, man, I like this guy.
I can't wait to interview them. And but anyway, so
I love the name and how you're an all around
type of guy. You mentioned you know you were a
smart you know jock, and you know you played a
(05:59):
lot of sports. How do you contribute you know, your
success in business as an entrepreneur, but also in school.
How did sports sort of get you ready for that.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I think sports is actually a key component of any
kind of I guess thing you want to do in life,
because it teaches you when you face adversity, when you lose,
you can come back and have a good game, you know,
if you will, you can learn from your mistakes and
then apply to them on your next.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Your next project.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
And I think in business, you know you're gonna hit pitfalls,
you're gonna hit obstacles, you're gonna hit hurdles, and it's
all about how you react to those hurdles.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
It's not about how you dwelling the.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Mistakes that you made, but about how you take that
as a learning lesson and you apply it to your
next you know, project. And I think I've used that
in sports, just you know, you're not gonna win every game,
so just losing, what do I do wrong? Okay, what
I do wrong, let's fix it for the next game.
And so applying that in the business world, it's just
like a it was kind of you know, you didn't
(06:54):
really have to think about it, you just have to
do it. And I think that's what's been very advantageous
and helpful in the business run, because you're able to
just apply your learnings and all right, I'm not going
to go with this type of vendor because I know
what happened last time. Let's do this due diligence first thing.
You know, things like that you apply going forward.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, and then with the obviously very smart you got
all these degrees, and typically some people that go that
route get stuck working in the corporate world. What finally
made you say, you know what, I'm gonna try this
entrepreneur thing.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
It's funny because you know, I thought, you know, in
my small world, I thought, you know, the corporate ladder
was the way to go. That was the you know,
you just work your way up the corporate ladder. You'll
find happiness once you get to the top. And then
once you get to the top, you really realize, like, no,
it's just more ladders to climb, you know what I mean,
It's not really like you're going to get to the top.
And so I think at that point, you know, social
(07:46):
media kind of took a life of its own, and
you start seeing people really living life and really enjoying life,
and they weren't necessarily doing the traditional jobs and careers
that you would imagine. I kind of I think that
kind of opened my eyes to what else is out there?
You know, can you could apply you know, I can
go solo practitioner and you know, be an attorney. But
there's also other entrepreneurial pursuits that you could do. And
(08:07):
I kind of took that button.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I ran with them.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I said, Okay, what else can I do in the
realm of entrepreneurship that I like to do that I
could achieve, you know, leverage my you know, learnings, and
leverage my career and what I've done and really succeed
in that. And I think that, you know, in the
cannabis industry. I never thought I would be in the cannibisry.
I sports and foremost. It just kind of like it
was an opportunity that I saw opening and I kind
(08:31):
of ran with it. But I think I was able
to leverage that legal background and apply it to the
cannabis industry.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I'm curious what your parents said, right, you're either a doctor, engineer,
or lawyer, and here you are saying I'm gonna go
sell cannabis. How did they take it?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:46):
You know, like I said, they were immigrant parents, so
they really no matter how much you frame it, the
conversation it's still you're selling weed. You know, you're selling weed,
and people were rocked up for selling weed. You know,
I don't know what you're talking about. So I think
it's it's it's.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
A work in progress.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
It's a lot of massaging that goes on, but it's
really I think the more and more they see it
in the public's realm, the more and more they understand
that it's legal. It's a business, is an industry. It's
a growing industry. It's like pharmaceutical drugs. You know, it's
like an industry within the society that is growing, and
it's that taking a life of the sowing. And so
I think the more and more they see it as
(09:21):
a legal business, the more they're like, Okay, he's just
doing business and that's just part of the business that
he's doing.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So I think maybe more accepting of it.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, for sure, as long as we don't use our own.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Supply, there you go, you know, you refuse it.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So let me ask, I forgot to task earlier. Are
you still practicing law part time at all? Or have
you given that up?
Speaker 4 (09:48):
So I'm still legally licensed the practice law, but I've
done more consulting. I call it more consulting because I'm
able to manage my schedule more and take on clients
as I have capacity to do that, And so I
would say that right now, and I'm really trying to
put four forced effort into the entrepreneurship of the cannabis
brand and growing that brand as much as I can
(10:09):
and getting into a position where it's self sufficient. But
then you know, I'm in a position to now have
the freedom to do what I want to do, but
definitely don't want to lose that legal training on that
legal side, but it does take time, and so you
can't kind of serve all masters, so you kind of
got to pick and choose what you do with your time.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I'm sure that legal mind has helped you and a
lot of the decisions you're making for your new venture.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
How did you and your wife reconnect?
Speaker 4 (10:42):
By the way, So it's funny because we so we
went away to school, but we always stayed in touch
through you know, instant messenger, So we stayed in touch.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
And actually I joined.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Well, she joined her sorority first, and so then I
was joining a fraternity in Maryland, and I invited her
to our introduction show and I said, hey, you should
come down. You know, your your friends, your sorority sisters
will be here, you should come. And so she ended
up not making it to that show, but she ended
up making it to other events that I had from
my fraternity.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
And that's kind of like.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
Where we I wouldn't say we fell apart, but we were.
You know, we're in different school, so we have our
own group of friends, but we kind of reconnected when
she came to my fraternities events and then you know,
saw that we shared common allity, share carmon friends, and
then we kind of got back together at friendship wise,
and then afterwards, you know, we kind of tried the romantic,
(11:32):
you know journey and then here we are today.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Who's got more degrees? You or your wife?
Speaker 4 (11:39):
You know, that's a great question if you asked the audience.
You know, because she her first season, she was four
degrees Wendy. For degrees, doctor Wendy. We have the same
four degrees when you do the math, So it's funny,
but she was missed four degrees Wendy.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Now, was that coincidence that if she didn't have the degrees,
do you think you would have married? Or was that
like a part of it, Or was that like a
you know, like an I like a woman that's got
an education, that's independent. Did that play into her being
the one? Or did it really not matter if she
could have just not any degrees and you still would
have gone with her.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
I think she could have not had any degrees. I
still probably would have won her. I like an ambitious,
intelligent woman, but I don't really like honestly, until she started,
she said on the show that season, I don't realize
she had that many degrees, Like, I mean, we were
just like you know, serial school, you know, attendees.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, I think that's a very interesting question edwin because
if I was to put myself in that situation, I'd
say I'd need a woman that has to be smart
in order to have a conversation after you know, having sex,
you know, because that's the number one thing, you know,
us men think about, and then after that, what do
you do. I'm really happy for you guys that you
(12:53):
found each other. And I understand you have three children.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah, yeah, so we have a twelve year old boy,
ten year old boy, and a five year old girl
who runs the house.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Oh and she's got two older brothers and she runs
a house, and she.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Runs the house. It's like something that would tell her.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Are you guys gonna instill the same motto of education
to be a doctor, lawyer, or engineer?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
You know, I don't think so, because I mean, we
know better, so we should definitely do better. We know
that there's more out there. You got to pursue happiness.
It's not all about going to school. And yeah, it
may not be what your happiness is. You know, you
could be the worst student, but if your parents are
pushing school on, you think that's the only way. And
so I think that we definitely want to be more
open minded, give them more of a sense of the
opportunities out in the world. You know, you can be
(13:40):
an entrepreneur, you could be you know, you could go
to school, you could be a doctor if you want.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
You could be whatever you want to be.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
But you have to find out what your passion is
and fulfill that and chase that passion, that dream. So
I think that's something that I didn't get grown up.
But I think that we're definitely to instilling our kids
that you know, follow your dream, follow your passions, and
it will lead to work that doesn't feel like work. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I always tell our kids, like, you can do whatever
you want. Sometimes they're not doing anything, and it's frustrating.
But as long as they have a foundation of some
sort of education, some sort of subject, they can go
left or right. I've known a lot of people who've had,
you know, an education in botany and opened up restaurants,
and even lawyers who got their degree and ended up
(14:23):
practicing or quitting the practice of law and doing something
in business in general. So I think we are if
we see the opportunity, we can do anything we want.
But if you get stuck in that, you know, same regimen,
like I have an engineering degree, that's all I'm going
to do. That's where I think eventually you wake up,
you know, forty fifty years later and you realize I
(14:45):
could have done so much more.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Exactly, are the kids more into sports right now? Are
they more into school right now?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
They are more Well.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
It's funny because if they don't do well in school,
they can't play sports. But they actually do well in sports,
which is I'm living vicariously through because you know, they
enjoy football, basketball, My daughter is into dance and gymnastics. Uh,
and so they enjoy sports, but they also do well
in school, which I'm happy about. So I'm trying to
push sports, you know, I'm trying to really push sports.
But they're not you know, they're kind of way and
(15:14):
they're kind of wanting to play video games.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
War.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, they're in that age video sports games.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
That's true. NBA two K and Maddie. I'm like, that's
not the real thing. Go out and such bread.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Although you know, I wouldn't knock it too much because
it's a big world of online gaming. I don't know
how familiar you are with it. I had an entrepreneur
friend of mine who was part of that world in
our EO group, and he introduced me to that. And
it's a huge, huge, It's almost bigger than our real
sports game worlds, the e sports, like the video game sports.
(15:48):
Are you guys familiar with that?
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yeah, I heard about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Oh it's huge. It's enormous. It's its own world and
it's worldwide.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Mm hmm, yeah, pretty good.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I think anything that makes you compete is good because
I haven't met a successful person that's not competitive. Like,
if you're not competitive, you're not going to go past
your own capacity, you know. So it's why I asked
about sports. That's what sports taught me is that you know,
to be competitive and if you work hard enough, even
though you might not start off on the you know
(16:20):
at the top, you can you can very well get
there if you if you have the hard work ethic
and and you're just consistent.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
But the other thing that sports teaches you is you
win some and you lose some. I think that was
Eddie's point earlier. You know, that's that's a that's a
really good lesson. I think it helps with any level
of success at any level of life, from relationships to
friendships to business. You know, you you're going to lose
some and you're gonna have to get back up and
try it again.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Yeah, failure is the best teacher, It really is.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
So Eddie, when you first heard about the Housewives, did
you know about the show? And I guess that's the
first part And second were you Was it an automatic yes?
Or do you like have to marinate on it that
for a bed?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
You know, I feel like I heard about the Housewives,
but I to me it was one of those things
where you could turn it on, turn it off. I
wasn't really invested in the Housewives so kind of when
the opportunity presented itself. My wife brought the opportunity, I'm like, oh,
you should do it. You know, Yolo, you only live once,
you know, why not. I wasn't thinking about what it
takes to be on the show. I was just thinking about, Wow,
(17:24):
you get to be on TV. You get to go
to fancy events and have fun.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
I didn't think that someone can really just say whatever
the hell they want to say on national TV.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
That's it. But yeah, I just.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Thought it was an opportunity, and I thought it was
a great opportunity to leverage a platform to go and
continue to pursue your dreams. And I didn't think about
everything that it entails. And I think over I think
this is our six year. I've kind of gotten to
a sweet spot where I understand, like, you know, there's
no reward without risk. You got to go through the
fire to get to the green pasture. And so anytime
(17:59):
I have to talk my wife off the ledge a
lot because she's yeah, scorching earth and blow the whole
establishment up, and I'm like, hey, it's a show. You know,
everyone's doing their job, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, do you feel like after five years, do you
think you finally have the hang of it. I saw
this clip of you being on the what do you
call it, what's the season finale thing called reim the reunion,
and I was and I honestly thought, man, that's ballsy.
I would never go on to reunion. They freaking paid
me because it's there's so much drama that happens, and
you were so calm, you were just man. It was
(18:36):
like you were made for it. And that's like a
hot seed of all hot seeds. So yeah, what was
that experience?
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Like, you know, it's good when you're not actually in
the hot seat, meaning it's not my drama that's being
talked about, but it's still you know, these women they're
in a different level, different league, and so I can't
keep up. And so I really I don't try to
keep up like I try to, you know, simple do
my time and then roll out because they eat you
out and spit you out if you try to get
(19:02):
involved in the women drama. You know, so I try to,
you know, I really just try to stay out the way.
I really try to be pleasant, don't get into drama,
give advice, and then go, you know, and go go,
go to my separate corner because you.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Can really get caught up in the women's drama.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
And then now in this day and age, you have
not just what you film, but you have social media,
you have the blogs, you have the bloggers, you have
all these different people weighing in with opinions, and it's like,
you know, you lived it, it's your truth, but everyone
has their opinion, and people want to believe lies or
believe untruths more than they want to believe the truth.
So you got to really keep everything in perspective when
(19:40):
you're on these shows.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
It definitely has evolved tremendously from the beginning, where I
remember they used to have a rule where the women
could not even talk outside of filming. They couldn't, you know,
have a conversation, They couldn't go to lunch, they couldn't
go not that they would, but it was really strict
about not making it as or not conversing about what's
(20:02):
going on unless the cameras were there. And then as
social media came to light and everybody's posting pictures and everything,
and then blogging came to light just like the real world,
right like even in business. What I'd noticed growing up
and wrapping my head around the big companies that promote
their product is better than b product, right, and they're
(20:23):
saying all these horrible things. It happens in politics. You know,
one politician putting out this ugly story about another politician
sleeping with a dog or something like that. You know,
just can you do that? Why are you doing that?
It just seems so dirty, And that's how i'd kind
of seen the show evolved in to get really dirty.
What has been some of the things that negative things
(20:45):
that you've experienced on the show personally?
Speaker 4 (20:50):
I remember one year I think it was probably the
second year, maybe sixth season, where there was a rumor
that was totally made up by the blogs about an
extra marital affair about having a baby about.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I think that.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Maybe that was the extent that maybe there was even more,
don't I don't.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Even recall, but it was.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
All lies, yeah, And it was all lies that started
in the blogs because I think it was one of
those things to get attention, to get clicks. And then
because it's in the blogs, you know, the women are
the women, and they do what they do, so they
bring it on the platform. So now it's on the platform,
So now the world sees it, and so you kind
of relive it over and over again because you film
(21:31):
it and then it now it runs in it and
it airs. And so that was probably the toughest season
because like, wait, so they really can say whatever they
want to say. Until this day, no one circles back
and says, you know what, that was a lie or
that was untrue. They just we just move on. But
you know, the articles and the footage it still lasts forever.
And just having to live through that and just knowing that,
(21:51):
you know, I wasn't one of those people that went
on social media to try to campaign for, you know,
the validity of what I'm saying. I just say, hey,
you guys are gonna believe what you want to believe.
I know what the truth is, and I'm gonna proceed
with the truth. But it could have I could have
taken that route, and then I would have just.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Been on every website, every blog.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Saying no, this is untrue, this is untrue. And I
didn't choose that path. But it's really it can go
it depends on how you take it.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
It can really go back, you know, bad for you.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Like you know, I remember at that time, I think
HR had called me into a meeting to talk about, well,
if you know, because I was in a position of superiority,
is there someone who you've been with at the firm,
because we would need to know that, you.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Know, going forward.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
And it's like, wow, oh this is all There is
a woman who just made this stuff up. It's totally
lies and fabricated. But I had to have that conversation. Wow,
they don't know that when they're doing this online and
you know, on TV, but this is real life. It's
not just reality TV. It's really real life. So having
to deal with that, that was probably the toughest year
that year.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I think for me, it's really just been two things
that they've been trying to, you know, push on us.
And I'm as confident as you eddywhere you know, if
you want to believe the live, you believe the live.
If the worst thing you can say is that I'm
gay in my marriage as a sham, or that my
wife and I are getting divorced, If that's the worst
(23:11):
thing you can say, I got no reason to go
out and defend it. But if you're calling me a
criminal and I'm getting investigated by the FBI, or I
you know, I hit and run and a dui, or
I do something really bad and illegal. Those are the
people that are going on. They're trying to defend themselves like, no,
it didn't it happened this way right, right, right.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
So guilty, it's so obvious, right, Yeah, Eddie, I loved
what you said earlier in regards to just the girls
being at another level. I often tell people like, you
don't understand how witty you have to be to be
on this show, Like how quick the girls are, Like
(23:51):
if you try to get into it, they will eat
you alive.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Is there a person on the show that you're like, Man,
I don't want to mess with that one other than
your wife of course, right, other.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Than my wife because I got to mess with her
on a daily basis, you know, Like I said, I mean,
they're all it's weird because I think I pride myself
on being quick and being quick on my feet, but
these women, like they will wrap you up in your
words and you're like, wait, what was I trying to say?
You just want to exit the conversation quickly, so I wouldn't.
There's not one that I would want to talk, you
(24:23):
know with, or have a verbal dispute with because they
all have it and I don't you know, I don't
want to test it. I've seen it in action and
I'm like, man, okay, I've actually seen guys try to
interact with the one of the ladies and I'm like,
it's not gonna end well for you.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Shout out to whoever does the casting, right, It's like
they know what they're doing because these girls are just quick. Man,
I'm amazed. And you know a lot of times people
think of like, well, what do they do? They're just
going on the show and talking like they are very smart.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Yes, yes, yeah, if you're not quick, you're not gonna
last long. They're gonna eat you alive, a woman, as
a new wife, as anything. Yeah, you're not gonna last
very long.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Now, a real serious question, and I'm sure the viewers
will want to hear the truth and honest answer. And
that's have you and your wife ever like had fights
stupid fights over what happened on the show or what's
going on on the show, And you're like, what the
hell are we fighting about?
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Yes, short answer, yes, And it's it happened a lot
in the beginning as well, because it's like you know,
it's reality TV, but then you have your own reality
and it's like I maybe subconsciously I would say something
that maybe happen online or happened one of the women
called her on the show, and I'll say it at
home and she's like, see, you're using the show against me,
(25:44):
and I'm like, I didn't even realize it. It's just
you know, still a word, but I didn't realize it.
But it's like those type of things are triggers when
she's going through, you know, filming the show or just
not seeing aya eye on. Okay, there's a dispute on
the show, and I'm giving you my honest opinion, and
you don't like minest opinion because you know, you feel
(26:05):
like I'm signing with someone else.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Like disputes about the show.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
They happened in the beginning, and I had to just realize, like, Okay,
give my wife some time to decompress from filming. Don't
ask her about filming, don't ask her about the show,
you know, ask her about how hard they went, and
then try not to get too invested in this show
because inevitably, you know, we end up being the sounding
board when they come back from you know, these cast
events or filming or what have you, we end up
(26:31):
being the sounding board or the voice of reasoning, the
con voice. And so I think that, you know, we
have gotten vice to beginning. We haven't gotten into them
lately because it's really like, oh okay, oh that's going on.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Oh wow wow, yeah, yeah, you kind of figured out,
you know, like it's just a TV show. And as
long as they don't do or say anything that will
really hurt our career or our livelihood, I think it's
just a TV show. But when they start really affecting
the other things that are important, like even your relationship
(27:01):
with your kids or business partners or whatnot, I don't
really see that happening. Because my my truth is as
long as I'm not doing anything illegal, immoral or you know, criminal,
I'm fine, you know, just me just having a good
time in life. So I'm not breaking the law and
(27:21):
going to jail and you know, becoming a yoga instructor
because I was in jail for a year, you know,
just not I'm just not doing shit like that, just
being me.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
So and you can tell when they make when they
make up those lives and they don't stick, they just
go away.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Right, Yeah, and the ones that stick are the ones
that are going no, no, it's not true. It's this way.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
What's the best thing that's come out of being on
Housewives for you?
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Great question, that's a great question. I think.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
You know what's funny, I think actually being on Housewives
has in our relationship my wife Wendy and I strengthen
our relationship because it's forced us. I forced us, but
it allowed us to get closer when you feel like
it's us against the world. So I think that's one thing.
I think also my kids have actually I've been able
to maintain a sense of normalcy for them but also
(28:19):
build them up in a way that I wasn't you know,
I wasn't raised so in a sense of, you know,
they're growing up in the spotlight, you know, like I
have two boys they walked on in New York Fashion
Week one year, and like those opportunities, Like I've never
had those opportunities growing up. So being able to give
them those type of opportunities is one of those things
whereas once in a lifetime. And so I really appreciative
(28:39):
of the Housewives universe for allowing them that space and
that opportunity to go that way, and then also just
starting businesses like this cannabis business.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
You know that I started.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
It's happy EDDI wouldn't be happy Edti if I wasn't on.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
This platform, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
And so I think that the opportunity to meet the
people I've met, to be in the rooms that I've
been in, I've been able to I've been one of
those peop well that said, if I'm going to be
talked about on this show, I'm going to leverage this
platform to my benefit. I'm not going to be talked
about and then I go in the corner and I'll
cry and I'll say, oh man, they talk about me.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
No, I'm going to take full advantage of the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
And so that's what I've kind of prided myself when
trying to do and not just sitting on the sidelines
and just you know, eating popcorn and watching the show
go on.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
It's definitely a springboard to anything you want to do.
We've been very successful with our CBD company as well,
and I don't think we'd be where we're at without
the platform. Although we launched our company in twenty eighteen
or twenty nineteen, but towards the beginning of the farm Bill,
so Bravo wasn't very inclined to show anything cannabis. And
(29:45):
we did a whole you know, one of those parties
and all the housewives were there, and you got to
make sure there's a bitch fight otherwise it's not going
to air, and there was, and they just decided not
to show it, and that really pissed me off and
made me really think twice about what am I doing
on the show if they're not going to you know,
do their part. So fortunately we were true to our
(30:08):
brand and built it up, you know, like or just
a regular business. And fortunately the brand and the products
spoke for themselves because in this industry when we started,
you couldn't advertise anything cannabis, not on social media nowhere.
So we were like, how were we supposed to sell
you something? We can't tell you it's good for how
it works for you. You know, it's very challenging. So yeah,
(30:32):
I'm really I mean, it's it's a tough business, but
it's very rewarding because it is it is a medicinal plant,
and a lot of customers have benefited from it.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Definitely, I would love the trust of their products too.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
What's the one thing that you would you know, for
any entrepreneur that's listening to the show or that's maybe
wanting to get into into a new business, what's the
number one advice you would give them coming from the
corporate world, Because I'm sure a lot of fans of
the show are probably nine to five corporate people that
maybe dream of jumping into that entrepreneurship. And Eddie maybe
(31:08):
you could answer that as well, what is the number
one advice that you would give someone that's thinking about
maybe getting into entrepreneurship.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Yeah, I would say the number one advice I would
I would give is to seek out I guess you
call the mentors or seek out a board of advisors
who are doing what you want to do, and really
educate yourself on what.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
It is you're trying to get yourself into.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Because you know, people, believe it or not, they love
to talk and they love especially when they're experting their field.
They love to share knowledge and love to be the
go to person of the knowledge base, and so I
think seeking out folks who can give you that information
transfer and can give you that quick cliff notes into
the industry, and then you take that learning and you
apply it to you know, what you're trying to do.
(31:55):
I think that's invaluable, and that's kind of advice that
you won't be able to realize until you're fully entrenched
in facing obstacles in the industry, and then you be
able to call upon those people or call upon that
advice that you were given, you know, initially.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
So I think that's probably the number one advice that
I would give.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
To anyone who is venturing out and don't think because
you're leaving corporate America, you're gonna leave all that learning behind,
because you're gonna apply all those characteristics, you know, setting meetings,
setting an agenda, you know, running through your you know
your outcomes and what you're to do list, like, you
have to utilize those things in entrepreneurship every single day.
If you don't, like, you're gonna flounder and waste time
(32:30):
and it's not going to be good for you. So
I think that's the number one advice I would give.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I have to agree one hundred percent, yeah with what
you said, And the only thing I would piggyback on is,
you know, it's the hardest. It's like finding a life partner,
it's finding the right people that are going to be
on the board, on the ship with you, you know, and
have skin in the game, because doing it on your
own is one of the hardest things to do in business.
(32:56):
You know, you're going to be wearing too many hats
and it's going to be too difficult to say seed.
So find a partner or two, or as many as
you can get that will help you improve your chances
of success, you know. But again, make sure there are
people you really trust, you really know they have a
skin in the game and a real interest in the game,
(33:17):
because doing it by yourself is too hard.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yep, yeah, no, I agree with that, and I love
the answer.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
What I would add to that as far as you
know the importance of association and the importance of mentorship.
A lot of people say, well, I don't have access
to those people, and the reality of it is you do.
With all the YouTube stuff that's there, you could literally
study people. And I can tell you that one one
of the ways you can connect with people is if
you DM them and you tell them something back about
(33:45):
a story that they told about their life. If you
could tie that back to like if you can show
them that you paid attention to their story, they will
get back to you. So it's got to be something
speciftiffic that they know. Man, this person took the time
to study me. Yeah, right, versus just sending them a generic.
(34:08):
I sent this to one thousand people, and let's say
if you respond, if you could make it very unique
where they know it's specific to them, you'd be amazed
how many people will respond to you.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, or even if you're trying to work for a company,
you do the research, you know, you look into the company,
you find out everything about it, and don't send them
a hey are you hiring? Email? Say hey, I'd love
to work for you, and here's the reasons why.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Right, you got to do your due diligence for sure
to do it.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
And what's next for you, Eddie? What's what do you
got planned? And what are you looking forward to in
this new season?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
So this new season it's just getting off the grounds.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
I don't know how. I don't want to be the
leak if you will, but the new seas is getting
off the ground. It's going really well. I think this
next season is going to be a great season. There's
also some other things in the pipeline for the the
ocepos and so I think that you know, we have
some announcements coming up in terms of family announcement, and
(35:10):
then we also, you know, like I said, I'm expanding
the brand.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
So I'm going to be traveling a lot.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Into different states and partnering with different folks that some
people may know, some people may not know, a lot
of people probably do know.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
And so just just.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Trying to make the most of you know, the opportunities
and really just trying to enjoy the ride.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
While it's still a ride. If you will, love that.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Love it Eddie Man, you're again very charismatic. Your business
is obviously I think, going to do very well. I
love the business you picked. I think it's especially as
to your point, as more states get a little more
I guess what's the word, uh lenient. Yeah, I think
it's it's it's a great business, especially with your platform
(35:52):
as well. So very excited to see you continue to shine.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Thanks, Thanks guys. The Eddie's finally squeeze right middle with
the Eddie Orioles.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Well you come down to la hit us up man, Yeah, please,
we'd love to.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
We'll do, we'll do.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
And are you going to Bravo Con this year.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Probably, Actually I went the past years and I went
to Bravo Fans did Okay? Probably?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, Well, hopefully we'll see you there because I'm excited
about it. I I went to the one two years
ago in Vegas and it was so awesome. I met
so many you know, other house husbands and you know,
not a lot of them I like, but a lot
of my I really got to know, and and especially
the Jersey boys.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
There are a lot of fun there there there, there
are a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
There are a lot of fun. So hopefully we'll get
to see you then, if not before. And thank you
so much for being on the EDS.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Thanks for having me, guys. I appreciate it.
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