Two Ts Presents: Popping Off: "How'd You Like Them Apples?" (VPR Ep 12)

Teddi and Emily are recapping the 12th episode of Vanderpump Rules!

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi, guys.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
This is Teddy Mellencamp and I'm joined by my friend
Emily Simpson for our new spin off show Popping Off,
where we are digging deep on this season of Banner
Pump Rules. All right, guys, welcome to another episode of
Popping Off with myself, Teddy Mellencamp and and Emily Simpson.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Thanks for joining us. We are excited.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I feel like, I mean, between this and the twats
the amount of headlines and things that have gone down
in the last I don't know, forty eight hours.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, it's in the Battle world, a lot in the
Bravo world.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I was thinking you had a lot to talk about
in your other podcast, your other headlines.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I was like, for like, and I feel like, at
any second, somebody else is going to get fired and
I'm going to have missed it and it's going to
be right after a pod and then I'm like, holy shit.
And then that led me to another question. If you
were to get fired, yes, how would you announce it?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Okay, that is a good question, And I think first
of all, I would be honest. I wouldn't be one
of those people where it's like, well, I just decided
that it was time for me to move on, I
would just be honest about it. Okay, they didn't ask
me to come back. And you know, I always told Shane,
when the stay comes, because this day will come eventually.
It just happens to all of us. At some point.

(01:21):
You expire at some point. I always said, just give
me like a week to just kind of like process
it and be sad, because it's sad. It's like the
end of an era, the end of something you've done
for a long time. And then I feel like I'll
be happy and relieved and excited to move on and
do something else.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, like it. You'll go through different different stages of grief, happiness,
whatever it may be. Right, Yeah, there is always that
like first part of rejection where like your feelings are
almost hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Well, of course your feelings get hurt. They basically say
you're not what sit are done with, You are screen anymore.
So I mean there's no way to feel good about that.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, So even if it's not something you really enjoy
doing anymore in your life, it's still that, like any
form of rejection is hard exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
And you know, to the women out there, the housewives
who have actually liked did Candice actually quit because didn't
she announce before the reunion that she wasn't coming back?
So I assume she quit. Is that what you think?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Well, I think that there's a pretty good chance that
she quit. But something that we talked about on Twatz
was at right before the reunion on Potomac, they said
to her, we don't want you to be so vitriolic
or whatever it is this reunion. And then as she's leaving,

(02:45):
she walks out and she says, you really want me
to be friends with this and looks at Giselle.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
So I think what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Like in this situation is regardless of somebody's quitting or not,
which quitting before, like at if you're pregnant does make
sense to me, right because especially with your first work,
you may probably want to enjoy that, like even with
the third was hard. But I mean, I don't think
you ever one hundred percent know. Andy did say, and

(03:15):
one person supposedly quit and one person.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Supposedly got or got fired.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, Andy said he thinks he will see them both
back on Potomac. So I feel like they both may
have gotten a talking to and one may have taken
that talking to to say go kick rocks, and then
the other one.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Just you know, said I'll just take time off. Yeah
what you mean?

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, I don't know. Has there ever been a housewife
that's actually quit, Well, not showing up to a reunion
means that you quit, Bethany, So Bethany Bethany quit LVP,
did not show up to a reunion. Okay, that's so
that was Lisa Vanner Pump that didn't show up.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
I don't know that anyone that's not extremely wealthy has ever.
Did Lydia actually walk away her first season of OC
or is that what just was rumored?

Speaker 1 (04:08):
I heard that she asked for a lot more money
going into her second season, so they told her to
go kick rocks.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, I mean that would make sense too. I think
also when people think that they're going to get more
than like whatever the standard, right, especially when you're in.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Your first one, two, three, four seasons, I don't really
feel like you have a negotiating power, no, and especially
when you're Lydia or that.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Sorry, was that an asshole.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Thing to say that?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
I mean maybe they did end up having her back
at another point in time, but I don't think they
probably paid her tons more money to do so, but
is what it is. But speaking of being fired at
one point in time, this first headline is the Valley Star.
Jack's tail walks back on his claims that vander Pump

(05:03):
Rules is scripted, according to Deadline, I mean, this is
so good, this is I love it so As you know,
I have a big mouth and it gets me in
trouble from time to time, Taylor said on the latest
episode of When Reality Hits podcast, which he hosts with
his wife, Britney Cartwright. Cartwright noted that she was not
present at the bar where he hosted a viewing party

(05:26):
for the show, adding, do not group me in with
what he says. Jack's admitted certain people on the show
may rub me the wrong way from time to time,
but I should have never trashed the show like that.
Vander Pump has been and continues to be incredible TV,
and I will always stand by that. As many of
you know and have seen, I can overreact impulsively and

(05:47):
I just wanted to apologize for all that. I'm sorry, guys,
that was very wrong of me, he added. Honestly, couldn't
have been more wrong. It's the most authentic show out there.
There's nothing scripted it. You can't script this stuff.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
I love how it's not just like an apology like
I'm sorry I shouldn't have said that. It's like an
apology that's like I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that.
It's the best television show on TV. It's amazing, it's iconic.
I was so wrong. Like, clear clearly he got in
some trouble.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Like, clearly he got in some trouble. But the way
that he is so excited about vander Pump been talking that,
it almost sounds like he's being facetious, like shore buddy. Yeah,
Like now you're seeming a little over the top with
your right, like you want me to apologize?

Speaker 1 (06:36):
All right, here you go. I'm sorry. It's the best
show ever. It's not scripted, scripted, what how do you
script this stuff? Wait? Is this a dumb question? But
does this mean that he's doing a podcast with his
wife when they're no longer together? Yes, so like they're separated. Hey, attention,

(06:57):
I'm a I've been filming a TV show. Oh is
that shade? Yes?

Speaker 2 (07:02):
It is.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
I don't have time to sit around and look at
all this instagram headlined like you do?

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Oh? Right. I know, it's just oh, it's just so effortless.
But yes, no, they do a podcast together. They've also
been doing press together but doing press separately where we
got a lot of information.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
So Jack said Sena was an quote absentee parent at
that same event, Shena responded, Jax made a disgusting comment
about me and was saying some untrue things about Vanner
Pump rules. But what bothered me the most was he
was at his self named bar Jax's seemingly drunk, probably
had a lot of pasta that's in quotes that night

(07:44):
to eat, and he said he had the audacity to
say that I'm always out partying and leaving my child
to be raised by my mother. But also it's just
so far from the truth and he should know this,
She continued, starting to cry. Ninety five percent of the
time when i'm Ali usually is a word thing, and
it's also after I put my kid to bed, and
it's so frustrating because I'm like, yes, I do do

(08:05):
a lot of stuff, and I do go out often,
but I can't make plans before nine pm. And if
that means I'm going to be tired the next day,
I'm still going to wake up and with my kid
in the court.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
So I mean, one, I hate that she has to
defend herself or working or going out or whatever it
may be. I just think of all the parents, all
the people to judge somebody's parenting. Jack's maybe this isn't
year realm.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah exactly. And you know, when you're on a show,
you're obligated to do a lot of press and do
a lot of things. I mean, I have mom guilt too.
I'm sure you did as well. Yeah, but that's it's
a career. It's you do have to do a lot
of things. You do have to do press, you do
have to be seen, you do have to answer questions
and be out and about. But I think that she

(08:55):
has a good point that a lot of things she
does is after the kid goes to bed, and she said,
you know, she wakes up the next morning with no
matter how tired you are, that's what you do as
a mom.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
And also I think the part that you know, people
can fite back on as being like, oh well no,
she was at Coachella, that's not work. But what everybody
has to remember is these events, like I don't even
know what event she was at But let's say it's
the Celsius event at Coachella. Most likely, if there are
people there from reality television at those events, it's because

(09:26):
it's a sponsored event and they are being paid to
be there, right, So.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
I'm not saying it was Celsius. I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
I saw so much Coachella content that I like blacked
it all out. But you have to make it. If
you solely are making money from doing a television show
and you don't figure out other ways to bring income,
generate income, you're going to run out of money. So
you have to take the opportunities that you are given
while you are given them, exactly. Like I just feel like,

(09:56):
clearly Jax was on a good one that night. I
don't know if it was the pasta, but I do
think like, okay, so let's get back.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
To the PASA. Didn't Rachel Raquel on a podcast, didn't
she confirm that passa was actually passive? And now she
is saying Pasa isn't really pasta?

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Well, and then I feel like Lala once said that
pasta was positive, but then maybe Rachel said pasta no.
I don't know. Do we believe Rachel about everything? Though?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
I mean, I guess she's not a very valid source
of information, so maybe not, but or maybe PASA has
just become the code word for other things, regardless of
what it meant originally.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, I mean, maybe they were pissed about the bolognais originally,
but I mean they all have said it really is pasta.
But I think she's just the same way that in
this episode she does a song about the Jedda and
the blah blah blah, like alluding to whatever. Like I
don't think she was doing any eluding. Yeah, it's not

(10:55):
implying if you just say it explicitly. Yeah, I mean,
but I do think that Jack's probably has the personality
type when he is drunk at his bar and some
and everybody's up there, like, you know, fanning over him.
If that's what's happening, he is going to just put

(11:16):
on a show and say whatever shit he can say
about anybody. Like, I don't think he's thinking about the repercussions.
But I thought that him and Shea were friends. So
that's where it's a little bit confusing to me. Well
clearly not now, well clearly not now. But I just
I don't know why he even needed to say that.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
It just yuck.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
It gave me the yuck. But then also her sena
blowing up what pasta is is also confusing to me.
So now I need we need to really talk to
Katie when she comes on about pasta.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
I feel like she'll tell us the truth. You want
to get a real clear answer on the pasta.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yes, and if it is pasta, what kind of pasta
was it? Was it? Seely?

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Was it pennae?

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Was it spaghetti? Like?

Speaker 1 (12:03):
What pasta was.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
On? Was it mac and cheese? I mean, what are
we really talking about here? Does it have truffles on it? Like?
I need to know, like how upset we could get
over a pasta? Because I could get pretty upset over
a pasta? Well I would too, absolutely, Yeah, Like I
don't want people taking bites of something that I really
thinks delicious exactly.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Oh god, gosh, those are fighting actions.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
That is a fighting action. This next one, this was
hard for me. This was a hard one for me.
Joe appearing on the Rachel Goes Rogue podcast and talks

(12:51):
about the singles to night she went to a shorts. Okay,
my first question is because I have not listened to
the Rachel goes roe podcast, but I'm assuming one of
the producers on this pod probably does, so maybe they
can shed some light on This is her podcast recapping

(13:11):
vander Pump Rules. Yes, okay, this is where I am
really confused. I know we are going to be talking
about Joe and whatnot, and I realized that I am
no longer on a television show and I am recapping
these shows. That being said, I never went to a
mental health facility to get over the trauma that I

(13:37):
had on the said television show, nor were there any
lawsuits filed nor any of those things. I really am
having a hard time wrapping my head around somebody wanting
to free themselves of this negativity, of this life, of
these things that happened, and then recapping it on their

(14:00):
podcast talking about these people.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Well, yeah, it's basically inserting yourself back into their lives
but from a safe distance. But how is that healthy?
Because everyone is going to hear it and comments on it. Now.
I mean, we're watching Sandoval listen to all four episodes
or whatever of her podcast and then reacting to it.

(14:23):
It's like she's like the wizard behind the curtain, you
know that, like get the comments on everything and watch it,
but then also say she can't be involved in it
because of mental health issues. Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
I guess it's her way to get her narrative across
without actually getting in the dirt with the cast.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
But is that sure?

Speaker 2 (14:43):
I don't know. But I also I think if you're
gonna I understand why she wanted to do the first
four talking about Tom and talking about her experience, But
then I thought the podcast was going to move on
from vander Pump rules and talk about other things and
whether she is or she isn't. I just find it

(15:04):
odd stating the things that she has stated, and it
makes me, well, then I it made me because you know,
I have all this time on my hands. According to Emily,
it made me go on to the Rachel Goes Rogue
Instagram page and read the comments and what did you learn?
I mean a lot of people are eating her.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Alive in these comments.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
And I'm like, I thought you wanted to be done
with the toxicity, So why are we talking? Why are
you talking about it? I brand the toxicity. I'll do
anything for pay, So you want to pay me, I'm
open to doing it. But to say I want to
be done with it and then talking about it.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
I don't get it. So you think she's a hypocrite
because she says she's not able to be on the
show because she wants away from the toxicity, but then
she inserts herself back in it and allows people to
comment and react, which is all toxic.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
And then as Joe appear on the pod, where not
only does Joe talk about Schwartz, she also talks about Tom,
Like even the conversation about the singles event where Joe's like,
sorry to say this in funny you and then Rachel's like, oh,
I don't care, but like we were there to support
Sandoval on his singles night, and then they like are

(16:24):
recapping the dates and if Rachel's still in rehat, like
all of it is just but these are the big
takeaways that I got. Joe claims that Schwartz told her
off camera that he was going to take a yellow
or a red wristband at Singles Night, indicating he's taken
or it's complicated, but when they got there, he asked
for a green wrist band out of nowhere. Then Joe

(16:48):
was protective over the hat he almost gave to that
girl because it's a special hat that his dad gave
to him. She says he lied about having more in storage.
Then she says that she and Shorts were dating at
the time and she was staying at his apartment the
whole time. He came home that night and lied about
kissing anyone, so Joe had to find out from production

(17:08):
months later when she did her confessional. But then Joe
said two different things on this podcast. She first said
I was already in bed sleeping in the extra bedroom
when he got home. But then she said something along
the lines of like, well, I was walking the dogs
and did this and blah blah blah, and like Joe,

(17:28):
the first sign is if you walk into a singles
thing and the guy that you think you're dating puts
on a he's single. You don't need to stay any
longer and manage his hat or his hair or anything else.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
You need to move out. You need you need to
not stay there. You need to stop sleeping with him.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
You need to stop sleeping with him, you need to
stop coloring his hair, you need to stop walking his dogs.
You need to maybe not say how much you love
him and what a r time Brent she is on Instagram.
And then go on Rachel's podcast and talk about him
and what a liar he is.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
I don't get it. Oh Joe, Yo Joe.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
But Joe didn't do any of this. I saw on
any of the clips. No, any of the clips that
was that was confusing to me.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Tom Schwartz has openly started dating a twenty three year
old Sophia Scorro, and their eighteen year age gap is
not stopping Shorts from gushing about his new girlfriend. In
an interview with Access Hollywood, Schwartz opened up about Scorro
and how she's not just his new girlfriend. She also
has a vintage clothing store, Short said, shop so Scope.

(18:46):
But he also talked about what makes her so special
and why he's dating her, saying she's just really effing cool.
She's charismatic and clever and kind of unconventionally funny. He
even admitted, so, I saw her photo. If she's twenty three,
I'm twenty three because she looks eleven.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
She I mean, I was, she looked like she could
be slates age. She looks so young. He also says
she's way cooler than me, and even though he is
still going through his breakup with Joe, Weinberg over their situationship.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
He is apparently very happy.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
I'm happy, said, it's kind of new and exciting, and
I kind of feel at peace for the first time
in a long time. It's been really pleasant. She's just
a bad ass human being. Do we think this is
why Joe has gone rogue and went on the pod
and said all these things because she's pissed about Soasco
and the unconventionally being funny and.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Absolutely now see mystery salved. She was happy to defend him,
and then now she knows that like he was making
out with people at singles night, and I think she
realized that he was never really into her. That she
put a lot of time effort into this relationship hoping
that there was going to be something between them at
the end, and when she realized that there was a
lot of investment on her part and none on his,

(20:09):
She's like, f off, Now I'm going to go on
this podcast and talk about what a liar you are.
I mean, I can't imagine that at this point. Do
you think they have a friendly relationship at all?

Speaker 2 (20:19):
I don't know. I can't. I don't know how. It's
kind of hard. I think even seeing Haitie and Shortz
to have an unfriendly relationship with him because he pretends
to be just such a puppy dog. Whether he is
or he is not, I don't know, but I do
think he told Joe repeatedly he did not want to

(20:40):
be in a relationship with her.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
I think so too, But I think that he continues
to allow her to live there, and I think he
also says I love you while he's also saying I
don't want to be in a relationship with you, and
then they sleep together.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Joe also says that when he gets drunk, he likes
to make out with people, which then I'm like, Joe,
if you know this, you know that means that also
can be you. Like, when he gets drunk, he wanted
to hook up with you, right, Like, I think that
goes all the ways. But yeah, I was finding it

(21:14):
just a little interesting. I was like, what happened to
that Instagram post where she said I'll love you no
matter what? What did she call him again? Tea money?

Speaker 1 (21:21):
T money?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, money, and he calls her Joseph.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Joseph. That's very sexy. That's what I would want to
be called as a female. Joseph Joseph like Emiliano for
me great, I'd love it if Shane called me.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
That Emilio get over here.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
So who knows?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
I have a feeling if Vandon Pump Rules comes around again,
we'll see Sophia. But in the meantime, we're going to
be watching this situationship. I'm guessing more throughout Vandon Pump Rules.

(22:03):
Right now, we are recapping season eleven, episode twelve. The
episode starts off with Sheena at Kyle Chan's store to
shoot a new music video for Good as Gold featuring
the twenty sevens. Arion and Lalla show up. They're going
to make appearances in the music video first and foremost.
I have an ignorant question. Okay, well, do you know
who the twenty sevens are? And should we know? No?

Speaker 1 (22:27):
And why are they twenty seven? Are there twenty seven
of them? Or are they all aged twenty seven?

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Are they? Yeah? They do? They wish they were twenty seven?
Are there lucky numbers two and seven? Like I just
I don't know. I'm assuming is.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Twenty seven the age in Hollywood when most of the
famous actors died, like Remote Phoenix and Amy Winehouse. And
there's a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
What was it?

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Is it age twenty seven? I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
If that, if you're right on that, I'm honestly, like
very impressed that you would know such him. Yes, you
are right twenty seven clubs, so maybe that's why. But
do you really want to be in a band that's
about when people die?

Speaker 1 (23:09):
I don't want to be in that club.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
I don't. I don't need to.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
I hate to break at you and you.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Past the claw?

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Is there a forty nine club? Because I don't want
to be in that one?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
But then Katie sends a picture saying she's not going
to make it because she's sick. But I'm like, Katie,
if you're going to send a deathbed pick like, you
need to smear your makeup like a little bit more red.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
That's a hot sunbie, I'm sick.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
I was like, gosh, even cruise does better? Uh? All
like mom, I'm sick holding his thermometer up to like
the layup, trying to warm up the heat. But yes,
they shoot the music video, which I do have to
say that song is catchy.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
It is catchy, But when did she write this song?
Was it a long time time ago? So long ago?
And she's just now making the music video.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Mm hmm, it's over ten years ago, so this is
a remix with the twenty sevens.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
I see, okay, got it?

Speaker 2 (24:13):
I see? I see.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
I also was confused why.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Arianna and Sheena both had sparkly outfits but Lala just
had a black outfit.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
I don't think there was any coordinating, like maybe there
wasn't a costume memo that went out. It was like
just show up and dance.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I was also kept maybe this was like an editing thing,
but I kept waiting for their mouths to actually match
the words, but it didn't happen. So now I guess
I'm gonna have to go back and watch. Has the
music video been released? Do we need to watch it?
I need to see it, and it's final for we.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Need to recap the music video.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Oh maybe this was for that like uber commercial. Remember
they did so the uber commercial made good as gold
like bigg because remember right after Scandabal, they did good
as Gold with the Uber So I think they're just
capitalizing on the song's popularity.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
I guess I get it. That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Now we get Alli and James.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Allie tells James that Rachel is blaming him for Hippie's behavior.
On her podcast, Rachel also claims she was really upset
after her breakup with James and she never actually loved Tom.
You believe that, No, I don't believe that. I think
that she keeps saying that she never loved Tom because
she feels like that's what she needs to.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Say, whether it was real love or satuation. I do
think she went from one not great relationship to another
not great relationship. But to say she never loved him,
I'm like, so you just created all this shit storm
for fun, for giggles, for some guy you don't care about. Yeah, Like,

(25:56):
at least if you said yeah, I mean, I was
wrong and I realized how Tom of our relationship was,
but I thought I was in love with him.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
I feel like saying that she was in love with
him would justify the behavior more than saying she never
cared about him. Yeah, saying you never saying she never
cared makes it very lase fair, very flippant, like she
doesn't care that she does ruined people's lives for just
some guys she didn't care about. Well.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
I also think it's her way of still wanting to
get into both James and Tom's head, yes, because at
this point now we see later in the episode that
they get in a fight over this, but also Tom
Santoval is clearly very upset by this statement. YadA, YadA, YadA.

(26:44):
But then we still get into James and Ali talking
about their future.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Wait, can I say one more thing? Though, she's actually
very intelligent if she figured this out a way for
her to not be on the show, but to be
on the show, like she's figured out a way for
her to have a podcast and be in a lot
of the Like everything going on in this episode this
time was based upon them hearing things that she said
on a podcast, yet she's not on the show, Like

(27:09):
that was I don't know if that was diabolical on
her part or she knew that she was going to
be able to affect them that way by having a podcast,
but like, is she that smart or does this.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Just happen to happen that way? Well, I mean, I
feel like I don't know how many times has to
teas and a pod been brought up on OC this
season in general, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
I haven't I mean been brought up.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yes, it has, Yes, So I think there is a
formula at this point, people know, like I know on Jersey,
like their podcasts get brought up like there. At this point,
podcasts are out there enough that you know that you
speak about things, it's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
I just wonder if she knew how much of an
effect her podcast would have on their behavior and conversations
while they were filming.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
I guess that's my question. Well, I think it the
release date was not probably an accident, true, if you
are going I mean, the Bethany interview was a huge
deal when it first came out, the interview that Rachel
did with Ben Ray, so I think it followed up
from that. She got herself a deal and then capitalized

(28:24):
on it. But then the part that I thought was
confusing as something else that she said was you know,
at first when La La called her, she thought Laala
legitimately was checking on her, But then she realized watching
back on the show that it was for the show.
And I'm like, well, so is this Yeah, exactly, it's

(28:46):
all for the show, right if you want to move on,
like and I know I'm repeating myself, but if you
want to move on from something and you never want
to talk at about it again.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Then you wouldn't talk about it, you would you would
move on, and you wouldn't talk about it. Then you
talk about it, and you're you're capitalizing on it just
like she is.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Which you which in your first four episode said you
had a major problem with people capitalizing on this. But anyhow,
then we get into Ali and James talking about their
future together where Ali kind of says that she hasn't
ever thought about having kids or getting married, and James
starts to.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Cry, Yeah, I actually I actually thought this was really sad,
and I kept thinking to myself, have they never had
a serious conversation about what they would both want in
the future? Like was he sincerely shocked by the fact
that she was like, I don't know if I ever
want to get married really have kids? But he was crying, well,

(29:46):
so so did that just? Has that just never come up?
Like they've been together a year and a half and
they lived together, but there's never been any conversation about
a future.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Then I also don't understand really what this statement means. Listen,
I wouldn't be with you if I didn't see a future, right.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, but what kind of future? Does that future include
marriage and children? Or does that future just include living
in this house.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
It is a show, yeah, I'm gonna say, Or the
future is the future of us being on this television
show and me launching my singing career right putting up
with your shit and my star charts.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Don't forget those.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Having said, I do really like Ali, I think that
she probably isn't I believe there's a big age gap
between the two of them, or maybe I'm just making
that up in my head, but yeah, I mean, she
may not be there yet and he is just coming
out of being engaged to somebody that it didn't work out,
So I'm assuming she probably needs more time before she

(30:48):
decides what that future entails. And I think when I think, also,
it's very tricky when you talk about moving in together
when somebody doesn't live in your town, you move in
together in order to be in the same location, you
know what I'm saying. Like, it's not like they both

(31:09):
lived in la and she moved in she lived I
think it was Indiana or somewhere in the Midwest to
my knowledge, I could be wrong, but to my knowledge,
and then when she moved out here, she you know,
did that. And Ali was also on a reality show

(31:30):
prior to called The Valley. It's also called The Valley,
the First Valley. It's an old reality show. Oh, I
remember seeing clips about this, but I don't remember that. Well,
so we'll have to go down that rabbit hole in
another day. Well that's interesting. It was on the CW.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Oh that's a younger crowd than what I'm used to.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Well, yeah, I mean Ali is twenty eight, so she's
young compared to the rest of the cast.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
I forget how old they are sometimes because I still
picture them as like servers, like they like they just
came to LA and they're like, you know, serving and bartending.
And then I realized they're like in their forties. They're
my age, and I have four kids.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
I know they are my age. But then Ariana Lala
Sheen are also talking about Rachel's new podcasts and the
lies she is spreading on there. The lies Rachel claimed
Ariana and her weren't close, but the vander Pump flashbacks

(32:37):
and Arianna say otherwise. Sheena's pissed because Rachel only contributed
a thousand dollars towards rent she never stopped. What is
up with these people caring? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
I don't understand why that's right. I don't know. That's
very very petty.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Like get over it, and that she had sex in
her bed. But I couldn't help myself. But under this
entire scene, whose was sitting on the table.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
I didn't even notice that.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
You're very aware it's called obsessive compulsive disorder.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Yes it is, I said, very aware. You say, oh CD,
I got it. Who do you think it is?

Speaker 2 (33:18):
I know I already. I mean, I'm it could be
multiple people's.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Well there's only three of them, right, yeah, well okay,
I would say, is it law loss? No, but she's
she's gonna have a baby, so she's going to be healthy.
It's Sheena's.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I'm not going to out somebody's vaping in this moment.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
This may have been a moment where maybe Sheena didn't
need to step in. This could have maybe just normally
I'm not happy to hear ariana side of things, but
in this particular setting, I didn't need Shena to be
upset about the rent. Clearly you told her she could
stay at your place.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Right, and if she only contributed a thousand dollars, you
were okay with that. That was you were fine with
that contribution because you didn't have a problem with it
at the time.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Right, Yeah, So, and I believe I remember there was
all this back and forth about the cat and the
litter and the I mean all of it, Okay, And
clearly Rachel's claiming that she wasn't close with Arianna because
again what we talked about before.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
If she says they were close, that makes her look
even worse.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
So if she says I didn't love Tom and Arianna
and I weren't close, she's trying to distance herself from everything.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Why can't she just say Arianna and I had a relationship.
But clearly, when I started everything with Tom, I pulled
myself away because I felt guilty. I felt back like
just at least explain to us the actual dynamics. But
both of them claiming that you know, Tom that he

(34:55):
wasn't close with Ariana at the time, and Rachel claiming
she wasn't close to Di at the time.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
That whole story is bothersome. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Then we get to the sperm donor party, which you
can see, like Lisa Vanner Pump really doesn't she did
not want to support Laala on this event, but she
did like did you see your.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Face at the bar? Oh, she was relocked up. She's like, wait,
we're really doing this. Wait, there's really sperm. We're really
doing penn the sperm on the huha, Like this is
really happening in my backyard.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
But then yeah, and then she also was like, even
just when Lala was bringing it up in the first place,
to have the party, like Laala had to start crying
and saying like, please, don't try to change my opinion
on this, like I really want.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
To do this right.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
And that's when Lisa was like, then probably Lisa thought
on her head, Okay, Lala's already sober, so this won't
cause a big problem in the show by her not drinking.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
So she'll be fine. We got this.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
She'll be fine, She'll be fine, She'll be able to
continue producing, and all will be fine. She asked Ariana
to have it at her house. I almost ship my
pants when said the house is a hot mess. And
then it was even messier than normal.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
It was horrible what happened. I swear every time I
see that house, I feel like I accidentally ended up
in an episode of Hoarders. Every time.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
I mean, life without Anne is a disaster. How can
you just not pick your shit up? How can you
have Christmas gifts and boxes and wet towels like all
of it, like be like the rest of us and
just put all your shit in one cabinet that you
don't want to deal with and that you pretend you're

(36:48):
going to want one day.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Exactly. I have a guest bedroom with a guest closet
and it is full of shit. Every time people mail
me stuff, I put it in that closet.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah, and then we tell ourselves that we're going to
do something with it, and they do not things. No, no, yeah, no.
Occasionally it becomes a regift situation. But that's it.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
I did love the sperm Donor party, though I actually
got a little teary eyed.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeah. No, I love I love this entire story. I
love everything that La La saying.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
I it makes me so I don't know, it makes
me emotional to think how much she's was hurting is
hurting in regards to ocean, and why that has.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Ultimately made her probably feel softer.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, that's I mean, that's a lot to deal with,
and I'm and she doesn't really expand on it, but
I can't imagine what That's why every time I want
to divorce Shane, I dis backpedal because I'm like, then
I'd have to Then I'd have to share custody of
my children with him, and I'd have to work things
out with him, and I have to like we'd have
to switch vacations and holidays, I know, And then you'd.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Have to decide if you're going to be the type
that like one person gets Christmas Eve, the other person
gets Christmas Day, or if it's going to be you
get Thanksgiving and you get the Christmas right, or do you.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Split the day or do you let them come over
and watch the kids open presence even though you don't
really want them in your house, but that's probably what's
best for your kids.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
No, thank you, no, thank you. No, it's a lot
of shit. But I do you know everybody voting on
the same guy?

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (38:24):
But am I such an asshole that in the middle
of it, I was like, can we get a pick? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (38:28):
I also have picks, I know, but they don't do that.
You can't out these guys. They're not going to donate
sperm if they're big pictures out there for everyone to
see you.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
True, I did hear. I don't know if I heard
this on the show or I heard this on La La,
like on a clip or something, but she did say
she did not want to actually see pictures of the
guys grown up, but she did look at their baby pictures.
Oh well that's cute. Isn't that interesting? So that she
could kind of pick somebody that looked similar to Ocean, I.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Think, yeah, yeah, well that's cute. I like that me too.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
What about when Sandoval shows up to Short's house and
he's feeling shells shot, Sandoval breaks down. Sandoval has cried
more than like I cried. I'm a big crier.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
But he says we should have a running tallly of
how many times Sandival's cried this season, because it's a lot. Yeah,
so he's having a cry.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
He listened to the podcast hearing her says she never
loved him, shook him to the core after everything they've
been through, she'd at least want to give it a
shot because of how much he loved her. But at
this point, Shorts kind of like, you loved Doriana as well? Yeah,
Like he does call her out on this, then guess

(39:45):
what Sandoval's late again to go to Tom Tom for brunch.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
But I feel like, I feel like, well, I don't know,
maybe it's his editing, but it seemed to me like
Lisa walks in and was only there a couple of
minutes before she and me he was thirty minutes late.
Unless she was just hanging around.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
What do you think she was doing dishes in the back?

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, I mean maybe she was just like sweeping up
or something. That's why I didn't see her on camera.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
But I mean, I also am having a little bit
of a hard time seeing Shorts walking around looking like
radioactive Ken Like, it's when are we going to get
that change?

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Like a buzz cut. He looks like Kate plus eight.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
K plus eight. Then he also shares that he has
not accepted Arianna accepted the offer of Santabel buying out
the house, and now we hear that he can't buy
out the house. He doesn't know if he wants about
the house or he can afford to buy the house.
And then he asked Shortz to be his roommate and
pay six.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Thousand dollars a month. I know, I was like, where
where are you you are? All over that He's all
over the place, He's all over the map. I mean
sometimes when I feel like I'm actually siding with Tom,
then he goes and says something ridiculously stupid like this,
and then I'm like, oh, right back at square one again.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
No, sometimes I think I'm siding with Tom and then
I see a sound check.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
I okay.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Then we get to Seena and Rock cleaning up over
at Ariana's house. This scene, I was like, I don't know,
very nice of Shena, and wait, where do you think
that came from?

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Do you think they honestly together thought we need to
go over there and clean up, or the producers were like,
can you go over to our house and clean up?
Because we have to film there and we don't want
to get a disease. So if you guys could just
go and like wipe it down, maybe put some shit away.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
I think they the producers probably said to Shina, if
you want to talk about your new song apples, we
have a way for you to do it. In exchange,
you have to go take over Anne's job and clean
up Santabal and Ari on his home so it's more
accessible to film it because our camera crew can't get
through the hallways.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
It has become dangerous for us.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, so I'm excited to hear what this Apple song
comes to be. But I do think maybe Brock and
Sheina should have worn masks why they did this clean
up and gloves.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Maybe he has matsuits, like, let's just just has matsuits.
Just be safe, just either way.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
And then I love that Arian is just sitting there.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
She's like, all right, you guys want to clean up.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
No, she doesn't even helped. She's like, I'm not touching.
Those are his water. But then did she say he
likes it room timp I was like, you care what
temperature he likes his water?

Speaker 1 (42:46):
I don't remember that bart, I remember someone saying that. Yeah, yeah,
because because she was like, let's put these in the refrigerator.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah. Then we're at sound check where James shows up
to check on Sandoval's well being, which didn't actually see
what he was doing.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Oh, I didn't seem that way at all. It really
didn't have the vibe of a wellness check to be
I mean, he checked him, but not such a It
wasn't a wellness check.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
James saying he doesn't think Rachel and Santival were ever
in love. Sandoval denies it, trying to prove they were
in love. The two start to yell each other and
James says he won't be opening for Santoval's band because
he's moved on to better things. He calls the band
a joke. Santaval tells James to go push buttons on
a laptop. Like both of these guys in this setting,

(43:41):
I'm not really sure why, Like, did he just want
to go over it and like stick it to Tom
that Rachel is potentially still in love with him.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
I think so. I felt like it was a little
bit of vindication for him, a little bit of revenge
he was going to take that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Then he's like, and this band's a joke. Yeah, I
have thatt our things could do.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
I have better things to do, even though three scenes
before we saw him like listen, you know the del
Rey or.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
The l Yeah, it's an iconic spot, there's a lot
of history there. This is a good gig for me.
He's like, I have better.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Things to do, but he is. He's like one of
those like string dolls, you know, the dolls you hold
up but then when one of the strings breaks, then
like everything goes out of control, and you're like.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Like, is that a marionette? Is that what it is?

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yeah? Maybe, but he just he can't control anything that
comes out of his mouth. Schwartz goes over to Sandoval's
housewhay arian is at the sperm donor party and.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
The weekend the glimpse of Sandoval's new assistant.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
In a matching outfit that was like, I was thank you,
thank you for wearing the same exact outfit. Guys.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, is that a band member who is now an assistant?
Is he a twenty seven club member? He's just like, Hey,
you're already playing in my band, So why don't you
just come over and clean my house too?

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Why don't you come over? Were are the same outfits?
Make me tease, walk on an incline on the treadmill,
and let's be best friends and can't you paint my nails?
But is Anne working for Ariana? Ra Anna is gone? Now?

Speaker 1 (45:19):
I don't know. I don't think we clearly know where
Anne went and if she was fired or quit, and
if she's working for Ariana or not. I feel like
that whole situation was messy and we don't really know.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Okay, so we're going to clearly it looks like their
dining room table. But then Santoval gives Shorts the pomposition
about moving into the house. I really feel like what
this is is like we're giving a pitch for season twelve,
and us living together is.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Going to give the people what they want. Yeah, would
you like to move into my house? Maybe you have
a shot on OC next season. I have a house
guest I have a guest room.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
We're fighting because she's only contributing a thousand dollars a
month and only rese out the toilet paper once and
never put any batteries.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
It's never bought any batteries.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Bitch. Hey Edwin, I'm sorry. I'm gonna be gone for
four months. I'm moving into Emily's. Well, then then we
do get the pin the sperm on the vagina, the
whole sperm donor party. I did really like. I am
excited for La La, I'm excited to meet the baby.

(46:27):
I also wonder what this will mean going forward when
she has the baby and filming, because you know, Ocean
can not film, so if she's going to not film
either to keep it the same, Yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Know that's interesting. I actually kind of deal with that too,
But it's just it's with my stepdaughters because one of
my stepdaughters lives with us full time. She's lived here
since she was fourteen, but her mom won't sign off
on it. So then it becomes awkward sometimes because I mean,
she understands, but if we're filming at home with Shane,
me and the three kids, she can't be there. Yeah,
she has to be in her bedroom, 're not home.

(47:02):
And then but that's not by my doing or Shane's.
It's on the other side, right, and there's something you
can do about it, exactly.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
But Donor Number one is the winner by a landslide,
and La La officially has her baby daddy.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Would number one have been your pick? I think?

Speaker 2 (47:20):
So?

Speaker 1 (47:21):
I think number one was the standout definitely.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Yeah, I guess we already covered this next part. But
then it ends with Tom. Tom has officially started serving brunch.
Short says it's five years and the making Laala and
Katie get vulnerable with each other, which this was a
little Lala says she's upset that they drifted apart in

(47:47):
her and ariannor each other's number ones now, and then
they both agree to make more time for each other.
But then Laala doesn't have the time. But then Katie like,
what do you thinks going on here? You know?

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Oh, I don't know. I feel like it's one of
those conversations you have because you have to resolve things
and you have to have these conversations on camera. But
I don't know if either one of them is that
invested yeah, to actually want to make the effort. I
feel like it was maybe a forced conversation. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Well, I am curious also, like I'll ask Katie when
she's on, but is she a baby person? Like? I
have certain.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Friends, yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
You know, that I was friends with before having kids,
and that I see now occasionally because we make an
effort to go on a hike or do something. But
they are not like super kid people, so like they're
not going to come, like hang out with me and
my kids if they don't have kids themselves, because it's
not you know. So I do think relationships do shift

(48:51):
when one person has a child and another person doesn't.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Well, I agree with that too, because I have Most
of my friends have kids, and I feel like it's
easier to be friends with women who have children because
they understand. But I have a couple friends who don't
have kids, and they annoy me because and not on purpose,
but they just it's it can be annoying because sometimes
you just it's just different places.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Different complaints, different things to stress about, different amounts of
like understanding, timing, all that kind of stuff. But I mean,
I also have friends that don't have kids that love
to come over and hang out with me and my
kids because they love kids. So I think we need
to get to the bottom of that with Katie. But
you can see that they're both is hurt there, Well,

(49:33):
what would your guest be? I would say, she doesn't
seem like a kid person to me. To me either,
so that's what I'm curious about. But that could just
be misreading it because she has that ability to kind
of be a loof be aloof, But I think that's
just a protection.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah, could or could not be true.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I don't remember because I didn't watch all the beginning seasons.
I don't remember hearing her and Shorts talking about wanting
to start a family or anything like that. But could
be wrong.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Then why do you think it took five years to
make brunch? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Our eggs harder to make.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
I don't know. I was like, I feel like brunch
seems like an easy route to go, like it's in
the morning.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Maybe it has to do something with like an alcohol license,
Like I think there are some places that you can serve.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Alcohol, but it has to be in the evening evening.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Okay, that was totally what I think is hard about
that kind of stuff. So maybe it took a while.
And clearly, if you're going to tom Tom, you're going
to need a drink as well, so not everybody's going
to be fine with just the sparkling water. But then
this next part, Sena walking over to Shorts and Sandoval

(50:45):
about her new song, and then once Sandoval realizes it's
about the fair, he storms out. He thought his relationship
with Sheena was getting better, but a friend wouldn't profit
off his misery. I mean, let's be honest, I need
to hear the song before we know if anybody's making Okay,
so it's a TBD. This is to be determined, and

(51:09):
I love that She's like, oh, I thought you would
have heard it already, like the whole that was very awkward.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
That entire exchange, like where on iTunes on Spotify? Where
where would you hear it.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Maybe she posted it on her Instagram. I don't know,
but I mean now I want to hear it. Is
it out, guys? What I've already had the opportunity to
hear it other than when she sang it on the phone?

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Pay it? I don't know if we have to trademark it.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
What if we had to pay money to have it
on What if it was our theme song, like you know,
on the Hills, so it was like unwritten by yeah, yeah, well,
you know, guys, that's another episode of Van back later
in the week to recap the Valley. We couldn't do
both today. We just we're just too much, too tired too.

(51:58):
It's just a lot.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
We have a lot to do with very interesting lives.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yeah, we are just so booked up that we're going
to recap the Valley later and let's hope that the
Valley is giving.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
And you know what, I didn't see any photos of
you at Coachella. Yeah no, you know what I aged out?
Do you get invited? I don't want to brag what
I did. I even got offered to, you know, do something,
but and.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
You said no, you declined it was a it was
world champion Hunter Rider Week at a horse show, and oh,
it's like a big deal for me and s Late
and we love doing them together.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
So well, then you made the right choice. Good for you.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Listen. I know I made the right choice when I
think about the traffic on the way home from Coachella
or the hangover that I would probably have to get.
We're the outfit you would have to get to bull Ahead. Gosh,
all the outfits, it's just a lot, the glitter, the hair,
it's just you know, at least on the pod, I
can just wear a hoodie, right, sweatpants.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
When they when they have like an over forty Coachella
where I can just wear workout clothes, then I'm there.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
They had an O and it was called Old Cella,
but it only happened one year, which I was like,
why we all got too tired because everyone was done
by seven pm? Nobody can make it for the closing
out right, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Well all right, well I'll talk to you later this week. Okay,
thanks for listening, guys,