Two Ts Presents: Popping Off: "May The Best Woman Win" (VPR Ep 11)

Teddi and Emily are recapping the 11th episode of Vanderpump Rules! 

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi, guys, this is Teddy Mellencamp and I'm joined by
my friend Emily Simpson for our new spinoff show Popping Off,
where we are digging deep on this season of vander
Pump Rules. Hi guys, welcome to another episode of Popping Off.
I was gone last week and I'm here with Emily Simpson.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Obviously, I was like, when are you going to say
my name? Are we just going to keep going ahead
with just Teddy Mellencamp. Yeah, they're just making this all
about me because I.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Was actually actually going to pay Gina a compliment. Yes,
because a lot of people messaged me that they loved
Gina recapping with you. They said she was really good
and the fact that she was able to pick it
up that quickly, and.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I was like, get it, get it, Gina. Well, you
know what, Gina and I are good together, even though
she is very good, and I appreciate the fact that
she had to watch two shows, but yeah, she's great
and we do a good job together. So there's a
lot of chemistry there. So what you're saying is we
don't have chemistry. No, we have a lot of chemistry too.

(01:09):
There's a lot of chemistry there. So what you're saying
is you have a crush on me. I have always
had a crush on you.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Okay, now that we've cleared that up all of our
inappropriate conversations. I I I am on so little sleep.
I know you are too. We're not really supposed to
probably talk about it. But I've seen everybody posting that
you guys were in London, so it's pretty clear that

(01:37):
that cat's out of the bag.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Well, I'm not going to be the one to confirm,
or Tony so Well, I have a question.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Were you back in time to see the eclipse? And
did you see it?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
I saw the eclipse from an airport.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Well, I was here in Los Angeles and I didn't
see the eclipse. I saw lots of people stake to
out like to watch the eclipse. I realized I wasn't
aware of the timing of the eclipse, but I did
feel like maybe the eclipse affected me because I did.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Not I have not slept in two days. I just wait,
you think it's because of the eclipse. Well, I don't
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
It could also be that I'm going through perimenopause or
that I have to have another.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Removal tomorrow. In the hospital.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I don't know it could be going on, but you're
saying you didn't. You were not affected at all by
the eclipse.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
No. I was affected by many other things that I
cannot talk about, many other factors.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, all right, Well this episode we are going to
recap Vanderpump Rules season eleven, episode eleven.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Ooh so exciting. Eleven eleven were getting deep into it.
We're getting deep into it. We have a lot of
guests coming up too, like from vander Pump, which is
also exciting, Like we have all the all the main
the main hitters. Who would be a main hitter like

(03:17):
Ann or Joe. It's not Joe, It's not, Oh my gosh, Joe. Really.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
I mean I think maybe because I watched two episodes
back to back because I missed last week when I
was on spring break.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, like that much Joe was and listen more power
to Joe.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
But then I went back and watched the Katie Maloney
watch What Happens Live where everybody said, like there was
a poll like do you think that Shorts and Joe
would be a good like are in a good thing?
Like should actually be together? And they want that pull

(04:00):
like people think they should. Well, you know, she's definitely devoted.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah. I mean, if that's what you're looking for in
a relationship, is just one hundred percent pure blind devotion
that works.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Would you go to a singles event with somebody that
you've had sex with for over a year.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
No. But I don't even understand why she thought that
was a good idea. Did she think he was not participating?
She thought that they were going to support Sandoval. But
I'm like, there's no way you thought that.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
And also I've decided that I think the blonde hair
was full sabotage.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Oh, the blonde hair was awful. It was evil. It's
not a good look. I mean, I think Schwartz is cute.
I think he's endearing. I think he has a way
about him that's attractive. But that blonde hair just nigging
did everything I just said.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
And then it made me concerned when the other gal
at the hair salon had to step in for her,
like she's like, I think we maybe need to put
some toner on that.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
I was like, oh god.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
But anyways, before we get into this actual episode, we
have some headlines to get through. Uh. This first one
is from Variety, which It's very different when we get
like a Variety headline versus like, you know, queens of
Bravo inst we're saying hello drama or Christian snow Like

(05:39):
it's I'm not discrediting any of the you know, those
type of posts.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
But Variety is like Variety does their their background shack.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, Variety's gonna give us the real, real but it
they're saying faith stours. A former vander Pump Rules cast
member accused NBC Universal on Friday of racist harassment and retaliation,
becoming the latest Bravo star to sue over her treatment
on a popular reality show and her lawsuit. She alleges

(06:09):
that castmate Lalla kn't brandish.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
I don't know what that word is.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Thank you for stepping in because I was like brand
dish should I knew I was.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Going to have to step in on that one. It's
a brandish What does that mean? Like she like, you know,
brand I don't know to say accept.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
You're all big talk, Like I know I was going
to have to step in for that that. I'm like,
what's the definition? You're like, you know, like this like
brandish it like you know, she waved the round in
front of her Okay brandished a knife at her during
an argument in season four, held it to her net
whoa held it to her neck and threatened to cut
a bit. Stours alleges that the show's executive producer discouraged

(06:54):
her from reporting the knife incident to police. She also
alleges that Lisa Vanner Pump warned that she would be
terminated if she did not find a way to get
along with Kent. In the latest lawsuit, Stours alleges that
she was subjected to racial slurs and was mocked for
her Well, I'm putting in quotes because this is what
it said in the article nappy hair. While appearing on

(07:16):
the show. Stet Ours is represented by Brian Friedman and
Mark there Goes, the attorneys who worked with former Real
Housewives Bethany Frankel to bring the reality reckoning. This does
not surprise me. She waited till now because it's the
same lawyer. So I think that anybody that has an

(07:36):
issue is going to align in this lawsuit with Bethany.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah. Absolutely. I think the timing is like we were
talking about the timing. It has to do with the
fact that this whole article on the Reality Reckoning came out,
it's now a topic people are talking about it, so
timing wise, it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
And do you think it's on purpose that each person
is really from a lawyer standpoint, not from like a viewer,
but like as I know that this isn't your form
of law, but that they're pacing out the different announcements
at different times, like of each person. And then how
many more people do you think are going to come forward?

(08:21):
And like what's the spacing timeline?

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I don't know, I never really thought about that. I mean,
that's a good question, And I don't know if that
has to do a strategy where you don't want to like,
you know, throw all all of your all your eggs.
You don't want to crash them all at once, like
you want to save your age. You want to like
throw one out at the time. I guess, so maybe
that there is some strategy with this, So I don't
know who knows.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
I feel like there's going to be more sorry not
my kids, school's calling. Why does that always happen? Like
I know, I know what's happening. Cruise is pretending to
have a headache and he needs to have water and
he doesn't want to go to violin class.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
That's so funny because my phone was just blowing up.
As Annabelle she got out at two oh five. It
is now two seventeen, and she has called me eight times,
like I texted, call your dad. I'm busy. I seriously
want to tell Cruise like you don't. And here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I told him, you can quit violin, but you have
to quit yourself. You have to go to the teacher
and tell them you don't want to do it anymore.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
And he's not. He doesn't want to do that.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
No, he wants me to do it. And I said,
I'm not doing it. I don't mind that you quit.
You don't like it, You're over it. You're the one
that wanted to sign yourself. You wanted to be signed
up for this extracurricular activity, and now you want out,
then you have to quit. That's the way it works,
that's life. But he doesn't. So every single time it's
violin class, yeah, it's the same call.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's the school nurse and I have to text her.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I'm like, if he doesn't want to go to violin,
he's welcome to have the conversation. Blah blah blah. I
guess I just got off on a tangent. But that's
kids for us, like they do. They think that we
were born yesterday and then we didn't have the same shit.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Of course they do. My kids do the dumbest stuff,
like when you tell them to clean their room and
then they just shove everything under the bed. I mean,
I'm not dumb. I'm gonna look under the bed. Yeah no, well, you.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Know, sorry to go on a rampage, but have you
seen my You've been gone so maybe haven't. But you
realize that I'm raising eggs right now? Pet eggs? What
eggs of what? Well we think it's a duck, but
we're not sure. So you just found random eggs, slate.
We were at the barn. She found eggs, and then

(10:42):
she has brought them home because they have what they
have like goats and cows and ducks and chicken like
it's a whole thing at the barn.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
So you you stole someone's children. She stole someone's children.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
And then now she has put because our rule is
if she's going to be on a group chat with anybody,
she has to add me. So now I'm on I
don't know, five to six group chats with her discussing
the eggs their development. I have to turn on the
heat lamp every two hours and turn it back off.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Like it's NonStop texting throughout the day. How are the eggs?
Are the eggs? I hope it's snakes. Listen.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I think they're scrambled. I really think last night she
poached them. I woke up one of the eggs was
so hot this morning. I was like, shit, it's you
can't pick this shit up anyways. Back to business, Jack
Taylor clames vander Pump Rules is scripted Page six article Here,

(11:43):
former vander Pump rulestar Jax Taylor claimed that the hit
Bravo show is now scripted, despite being completely organic in
its early seasons. TikToker Kate Riscio caught the reality TV
star ranting at his bar about how the Pump Rules
cast doesn't even out with each other in real life.
Show me a scripted show and I'll show you and

(12:04):
vander Pump Rules. Jack said to a crowd at Jack's studio,
City and a video obtained by Page six scripted scripted.
I've been on this show for nine years. This is scripted,
he continued. I'll be on it next and I'll tell
you what it was scripted. He continued, claiming that it
didn't used to be that way. Don't get me wrong.

(12:26):
When we started it was awesome. He clarified. Seasons one
through six were organic.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
It was real.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
However, once everyone got rich and famous, they drifted apart
in their relationships became fake. According to Jack's nobody shows
up with Chanelle earrings at the beach, he joked, he.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Sounds like someone who might have gotten fired.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
He does, but like, I hate to be the bearer
of bad news. But you agree with him, No, I
just agree that at this point, the Valley is better
than vander Pump rules. Well, I think the Valley is
better because it makes more sense. These are actual adults
with children who all live next to each other, and

(13:10):
they're coexisting and their friends and their husbands are involved,
as opposed to trying to make a show work that
revolved around people that were in their twenties working at
a bar and still having them hang out together at
forty when they all forty own bars and homes and
right like it haven't really other. I mean now they're

(13:34):
trying to bring in the kit. I'm not hating Vanner
Pump Rules. I'm just saying, like, yes, now, after watching
Vanner Pump Villa and The Valley, I see, I see
what Jacks is saying. But I also think, like Jack's
be a little bit. I do know that it's the
same production company for The Valley and Vanner Pump Rules.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Like you mean you want Jacks to have a little class,
maybe some manners, just a titch, just a touch, or
maybe he should have people like leave their cell phones
at the door when they come to his bar. Yeah,
but also maybe you should have formally invited us so
we could have taken like video footage of this happening

(14:21):
and it's not just a rumored thing that he has. Yeah,
we could get much better video. We'd be like, excuse me,
I'm sorry, what did you say? And who do you
think is the most scripted? And do you think you
were the star of the show?

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Because that also leads to more questions that I have
once we get started.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Okay, exit. Vanner Pump Villa's Eric thunder White claims he
abused her in a sun or before he was hired
as the chateau manager at the Vander Pump Rolls Stars
French countryside of State. Eric was in a five year
relationship with his ax, who made allegations of abuse and assault.
On November thirteenth, twenty twenty, Eric's ex filed a request

(15:14):
for a temporary restraining order against him after claiming she
suffered years of abuse, which she detailed in court documents
exclusively obtained by the Sun. The alleged abuse is believed
to have begun as far back as twenty eighteen, when
the woman, whose identity the US Sun has chosen to protect,
claims Eric quote grabbed her by the neck outside of

(15:38):
their car because she didn't want to drive. In December
twenty nineteen, he accused her of quote attacking him quote
with a pillow end quote before I'm sorry, would you
like to comment on that? Listen, I'm going to attack
you with the pillow?

Speaker 1 (15:54):
And yeah, what what like you like a pillow or.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Like like oh, like a smothering situation.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
If it was reversed, yeah, I would have a different
reaction to this. But him accusing her of attacking him
with the poet like he seems like a pretty tall,
stout gentleman. Yes, a gentleman, I mean not a gentleman,
but a dude, A man a man pretending to be it,

(16:26):
says he accused her of attacking him with a pillow
before he started to strangle her.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
That's also another question.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
If somebody throws a pillow at you, I don't think
that gives you the right to then strangle them.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
No, it's not like the violence has to be a portionate.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, it has to be like it's one thing like
when we saw from selling what is it selling Beverly
not selling Beverly Hills.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
I don't want those which whatever.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
I'm sure you saw that the husband is through the
glass selling sunset through the glass at the wife and
it hit the sun like, that's different. But to hit
with the pillow, when a girl hits with the pillow,
and then your response is to strangle No, no, sir,
no Eric.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
The next day, she checks herself into the hospital because
her neck was hurting. When she explained to the hospital
staff what had happened, they wanted to involve the police,
but she said she was scared because Eric previously threatened
to kill me. Photos included in the court documents from
March third, twenty twenty show Eric's x with a swollen
black eye, red marks on the side of her face
and Bruce's on her backside. Okay, here's my question. I

(17:37):
don't understand. I believe they do background checks before they
bring people on reality TV. That's what I thought too.
But maybe because I mean, she didn't go forward with it,
I don't know. But there's all these there's all these
court documents that the US SUN found detailed court documents

(18:02):
exclusively obtained by the US SON Like, I don't know,
someone did not do a good job vetting or I mean,
I feel like at this point, Lisa vander Pump has
done an excellent job at.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Finding the world's biggest assholes to be on television.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, but what a huge liability. You're really going to
hire someone with a violent cast and put them in
a chateau with women. If you're on notice of that,
that's that's a that's a legal issue, that's a problem.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, I really, I not many people on that cast
are very likable. And Eric thunder White is at the
bottom of the list.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
That sounds like a cartoon name. Well also, like it's
so I'm surprised he didn't change it, Like, clearly he's
an aspiring actor, Like, why wouldn't you change your name?

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Why wouldn't you at least change it to thunder white? Yeah, well,
or just thunder thunder Yeah, thunder white. It sounds like
you have a list thunder. It's arn rainy and thundering outside.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Their funder is really making for me to sleep. There's
a lot of thunder today. Instagram user at stuff with
the deeps. I didn't know if that was Dad Eats
or just da Deep. I wish it was Daddy Eats.
I'm so hungry right now doing the pot it too.
It's not the best time reviews Rachel Loves's podcast episode

(19:32):
regarding Katie Maloney and Dana Kathan. Rachel appeared at the
iHeartRadio Music Awards. Did you get invited? No? I don't understand. Hello,
where was our invite? It was weird, like I missed it.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
I was like checking. I wanted to be the best
of the worst dressed. I was open to either, but
you would most likely get worst dressed. Just giving me
your past history, just in life in general.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
What do you mean I'm gonna win a poll one day? Yeah? Yeah,
worst dressed? I just spin up my poppy. Yeah, sorry
about your poppy. She made the best dress list, while
Katie and Dana were named among the worst dress at
the award show. Rachel encouraged Joe to post the best
dress and worst dress pictures to her Instagram story, which

(20:20):
Rachel then reposted. She admits these actions were petty. Rachel
claimed she reached out to Katie and Dana to apologize
to them personally. On her podcast, she talks about wanting
to empower women, not tear them down. Steph says this
is ironic considering her ongoing lawsuit against Arianomatics. She also

(20:40):
continues to place blame on others for Scanda all.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Why can't Rachel either just completely keep her mouth shut
or just to admit that she is petty, or.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Just not apologize for being petty, Just be petty and
own it. I hate when people act a certain way
and then they apologize later.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Yeah I got to just double down. Yeah I got
my bad behavior. If it's something petty that's not actually
hurting someone, why not just let your pettiness be out
there publicly and just go with it like that. At
that point, I wonder, are you just trying to get
pressed to say, like, oh, I made a mistake on
what I was saying, and I want to go back

(21:21):
I mean it didn't. I mean I still remember it.
And it happened like seven years ago when US Weekly
posted a picture of me and Brooke Burke in the
same outfit, and then Brooke Burke put it on her
Instagram that she won.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
The better dressed. Yeah, who wore it better? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:40):
And then she got like raged through the coals, like
that is so rude, Like, clearly you're going to look better.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Than chatty Brooke and had a potato back on, and
she would have won.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
I could be and it doesn't matter what I'm worrying
Broke wins, but I I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
I also, I didn't think Rachel's outfit was that special.
It was a black dress. Yeah, I don't what did wait,
what did Joe have on? Was Joe Joe? No, I
don't think Joe was there.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Joe and Joe and Rachel clearly just still talk because
they had, you know, those ongoing.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Okay, so Rachel Rachel got Joe to post it. Yeah, Okay,
so Joe, it's not actually a photo of Joe. It's
just Joe posting that Rachel was best dressed and Katy
was worst dressed. Correct, So Joe's being shady on on.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Rachel's behalf, which I think is true to course, on
what their entire relationship has been, which I also want
to be Like, Rachel, why are you still talking to
Joe if you want completely away from this group of people.
Joe has recently done a post that she is still
in love with Shorts, So why are you still friends
with her?

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Exactly because she can manipulate her. Yeah, well, Joe's easily manipulated,
the fact that Rachel can manipulate Joe's well.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Speaking of interesting characters, Kristin reveals on her podcast she
almost ruined Tom Sandoval and Ariana's first trip together. Before
I even get into this headline or this clip from
Kristen's new podcast. Have you ever had a ex boyfriend
or Shane's or anyone's like login information and have you

(23:38):
ever checked?

Speaker 2 (23:39):
No? Never, I don't even know Shane's password right now
currently after fifteen years of marriage and three children, even
his cell phone like the numbers I could not get into.
I've never been able to get into his cell phone,
but he knows mine. Hold you don't know. I have
never known. I've never known the password to his phone.
I mean, if I really wanted to make it a thing.
I would be like, you have to tell me now,

(24:00):
I need to know, but I don't really care. I mean,
we're talking about Shane Simpson, like he won the lottery
with me. He's not out there doing anything wrong. So
I just like to.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Always have my finger on the pulse, like I want
to know every code. I don't know, but either way,
Kristen went on like she was still living with Sandoval
when the relationship was you know, bull fledged with Ariana.
She went on, and she kept saying in this clip
that she she deleted the map the iPad because the

(24:32):
iPad was solely for porn, so she only kept the
mac Book Pro or whatever I made.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
I didn't see that, so that I'm sorry, this is
the iPad was only for porn. Yeah, She's like, the
very sticky iPad is very sick.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, So the she deleted that knowledge because that was
of No, she didn't care about the porn, but she
did want access I guess to his emails. She logged
onto his email account, she knows password. She found out
that he had booked this trip and with Arianna, like
I guess, right after New Year's So she called her

(25:13):
mom and.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Said like mom, what do I do?

Speaker 1 (25:17):
I'm so upset He's already booked this trip with Ariana,
and her mom was like, well, one, Kristen, like, you're
already broken up, You're supposed to be moving out January first,
but if you really want to get him, you should
call it and cancel the hot balloon reservation.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
And then with pride she goes. But I didn't. I
feel like she should have though, and I like that.
I liked that it was her mom's idea too.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
I also want to know who wants to go on
a hot balloon date because I don't.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Not me, didn't some people just die recently and the
hot balloon disaster. Also the people that do like trampoline
jumping on a hot balloon and I'm like, where's your parachute?
Like what are you doing? Like what are you doing?
And also I don't want to go on that date.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
I don't not interested, not with Sandoval, not with anyone.
But yeah, Kristin said she had growth, but we're seeing
that growth and we'll recap it when we get to
our next podcast and talk about the valley.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Are we onto the gender reveal? Onto the gender reveal?
I have to say I was actually proud of Lalla
that this gender reveal wasn't like cannons in the backyard,
like shooting colors through the air. It was like it
was literally a cake. Like I have to give her
credit for just doing like a normal gender reveal. It

(26:35):
was on Amazon Live. That's fine, it's fine. I don't
care if it's on Amazon Live. I'm just so glad
that it wasn't like a helicopter shooting pink like firecrackers
out of the side of it in the part that
it beens.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
You would be if she would have, like had somebody
poke a balloon and it goes, yes, that's not she No,
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Girl, make your money, but I love that you made
money just by baking a cake. She wasn't going to
spend any of her own damn money, like she's getting
all the proceeds.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
I mean, granted, we all do things for money. I
remember having to wait to post Dove's birth because people
had the first.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Option for the photo and I had to be like, oh,
hold on, I wait to poach good. I already made it,
but I didn't make any money for that. It was
just like it. I don't think so shit. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
But either way, how do you feel about gender reveals
in general? And did you think she was going to
have a.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Girl or boy? You know, I didn't really think about it,
but I mean, I'm glad she's having a girl. Now
she has super girls. I think that's super cute and
super sweet. I don't know, I don't really understand the
whole gender reveal thing. I've never done one because I
didn't vitro for all my children.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
I did one for Dov, and the disappointment and Edwin
and Cruz's face when they realized that Dove was going
to be a girl was palpable.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Did you do it? Were you obnoxious? Were you one
of those obnoxious people with like pink sparklers? Of course
I was. I filmed it, okay, but besides filming it, I.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Know, but that's already obnoxious. I filmed it and it
wasn't even aired.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, they were like, that's that's it's boring cut. But no,
I think we had two balloons and then we.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Let like the kit all the kids pop them and
then the color went out, and Cruise.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
And Edwin were like crying, but.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
It is a girl. Congratulations, Lawa. But now I think
we need to start guessing the name. She has one
daughter named Ocean, and the new daughter is going to
be with an s. We know, do you think that
other daughter's name is going to be salty, seaweed, steal.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
It has to be something with the ocean. It has
to be. That's why I said seaweed, you know, seaweed, salt, peel, steel.
What does steel have to do with the steel seal? Like?

Speaker 1 (29:10):
You said steel like steel? Okay, seal, that's true seals.
I mean there's already one seal. I don't know that
you want to.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Let Oh, it could be swim.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Swim like an action word. Yeah, do you think it's
going to be an adjective or a noun?

Speaker 2 (29:29):
A nown? How about shell? It could be submerged, seashell, seashell.
And then you call her Shelley, Shelley seashell shit. I
should have asked La la.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Anyways, then we get onto Zach Wickham, who was on
the Vile Files. Zach is also from the Valley. He's
the guy that looks like he has on a to
pe at all times, two head like I have like
a seven head, and he has like maybe like a

(30:05):
one little baby pinky head.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, he tells he doesn't really give us.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
I was hoping we were going to get some good information,
but he just told us it was like a watch
What Happens Live episode, Where's like, you gotta keep watching.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Zach No, Yeah, fell the tea. If you're gonna go
in the pod, give us one little juicy snack. You
didn't This part I thought was interesting.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Remember when Scandaval first happened and Tom's first interview was
with Howie Mandel, Yes, and he's talking about how he's
you know, and then throughout the beginning of the season,
how he's saving himself for Rachel. He's getting you know,
he's not drinking because Rachel can't drink while she's in

(30:49):
therapy and treatment. But on this recent episode, if Hawie
Mandell does stuff, Howie has his son's friend, Olivia sloan On,
who claims she met Santoval out and hung out with
him a few times for a month after Scanival happened

(31:12):
while this was happening. So I'm like, this all makes
sense now, this is why he chose Howie Mandel, who
knew nothing about the situation because he was banging Howie
Mandel's daughter well, it's not the daughter, it's it's how
Howie's son's friend.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Oh okay.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
And then she kind of looked like one of the
girls that was in the pool at the beach at
the party, and I was like, oh, I had to google,
but it's not her.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Oh so she had no personality and nothing to say.
Does she just look offended in every shot?

Speaker 1 (31:48):
But Howie says while Rachel was in lockdown, Olivia and
Sandoval were locking it up.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Santoval, this is just a PSA to you.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
You chose the wrong person to do your first interview with, clearly,
because now not only was that interview terrible, but now
it's coming back to haunt you forever because Olivia was
not holding back on the information.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, he didn't have her sign in NDA. No, I
don't think and it wasn't On top of that, he
just needs to have one.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
In his pocket at all times. Did you see that
on watching What Happens Live? And he was like, we
love and justice for Ann. You can coun Bartend whenever
you want. Coming to Bartend is like the ultimate, Like
Shade though, I think, well it's.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
The it's like the ultimate. It's like a climax with
the biggest letdown ever. It's like, I'm gonna be on
watch what Happens live, and then it's like, oh, but
you don't get to talk or the camera will show
you at all. It's like you're not even really there
and you're not actually even serving drinks. So you're just
standing at a bar hoping that maybe someone turns around
and acknowledges that you exist.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
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whatever it is, your pizza, your workout regime, whatever it
may be, and then they're going to keep it moving
and pan to you a couple of times awkwardly laughing.

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of beach Day, which I hate beach days like this.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
I don't ever like.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
I don't like going to that beach for the way
that they even have to walk down that Like in
Orange County, it's a very different beach experience.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
You just walk onto the beach and then you see
the water.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, in Malibu or Santa Monica, you have to walk
like seven hundred and fifty steps like before you even
get anywhere near the water.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
That you would never even go in the water there
anyway because it's pollute, but you have to get near
it so it looks like you're actually on a beach
and not just in a sandbox, a large sandbox.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
But it's we're back to talking about arian are refusing
to be near Santa Va anymore.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Show Shorts takes him to a bar so he can
have a breather. I love Shorts he's always like he
tries so hard. It's like he's clueless about Like he's
always confused that things like this are going to happen
and then people aren't going to respond well to it. Yeah,

(35:21):
and then he tries to remedy it every time.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
But I also, I don't know that I necessarily one
hundred percent believe that Tom is out buying the paper towels,
the batteries and doing all these things. But yet and
is picking up his personal messes and washing his car. Yeah,
like wash washing everything? Like, really, Tom, and is that

(35:50):
is in your opinion? Is buying home necessity is like
a big deal?

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Like for me, I don't even go to the grocery store.
I just go on Amazon, o'h like Amazon Fresh. No,
I'm talking about for batteries or paper towels. Oh, I
don't know. I don't have an Amazon account, so what
I know? I know life is so difficult for me.
I don't know my husband's password to his phone, and

(36:15):
I don't have any Amazon account. I'm sorry, I'm offended
by this information. I know, how do you live? Where
do you buy things? Well, anytime I find something on
Amazon that I would like to buy to I have
to text the link to Shane and ask him to
buy it for me.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
I would end up divorced because my amount of late
night shopping on Amazon for useless things that will never
work or are unnecessary for my life.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
I know, well, my Amazon account got all messed up
and I've never been able to fix it, and so
I just gave up. I can help you with this,
I can help you. I will fix this problem for
you and them, I know, right. And I don't have
instacar either, because I had so many people try to
hack into it that I had to delete it.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
I actually I don't like Instacart. I don't like somebody
grocery shopping like a I don't like a stranger grocery
shopping right because then they're like left to their own
devices to.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
They're like they don't you don't like like the fresh
fruit of veggies they pick out no, and then it.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Comes and mistakes happen, like I'll say like I want
a banana, and then like they'll.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Bring or one banana. I don't let you know. I've
done that too, where I thought I ordered three bananas,
but instead I got three pounds of bananas.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Then we get into Sheino wants to set Shorts up
with her former nanny, Tory.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
We get a flashback to six days ago when Tory
confronts Shorts, telling him she thinks he's hot, but Katie
told Sheena she wants to date Toy. Is this an
audition tape that Tory is submitting to be on this show?
Because I don't believe that she's into either of them.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
I don't know. I was thinking the same thing. I
was like, it's all really convenient that this girl shows
up and then two people are interested in her at
the same time. It's very suspect.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
But the entire group, of course, then heads to the
same beach bar, which means like they already had, you know,
the permit sign and everything like this, They knew they
weren't gonna last long with the book Are you Yawning?

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Sorry, don't longs to read? Always say are you Yawnie?
Then the group heads to the same bar. Stand of
all approaches the group of random girls buying them a shot.
Tory walks up to Shorts and he jokingly calls her
his girlfriend. Tory is very upfront with that she thinks
he's hot and he wants she wants him to ask

(38:50):
her on a real date, and then Katie fully cop
blocks the situation and is like, one, that's not champagne,
it's sparkling wine.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
And I don't know.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
I just felt like Toy wanting to date both of
them felt pretty convenient for her. For her, Yeah, like, yeah,
do you think she's into either of them? I think
she wanted to babysit summer moon, Like, I don't think
she want to do any of those.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Oh, she definitely didn't want a babysit. She was like, wait,
why am I here again? What am I doing? I
think that she wants to be on TV, and however
she can make that work, whether it's the nanny or
dating Katie or sleeping with shorts. She's a willing participant
in whatever avenue works for her. Okay, so she's ready.

(39:38):
She's down. Ariana is not down.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
She acknowledges that anger she has towards Santaval isn't healthy.
This is I feel like this season, it's the first
time we've seen her break down in an emotional, like
crying type way.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Right, it's always mean. It's been such anger, such intense
anger where he can't even walk and she's like like
he's like trying to sneak past her and she attacks him. Yeah,
and I and I did appreciate that. We saw like
a more vulnerable side.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yes, like I created this whole life for him and
I realized for us and this was supposed to be
my dream. Like that part I one million percent like
I get.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
And then this is the problem.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
I also see Laala's side that I just saw when
she was on a podcast, and she's saying, if this
person triggers you to this point and makes you so
unhappy and so miserable, how did you have a boyfriend
ten days later? And why would you choose to still
live with this person if you like, just get out.

(40:49):
So I for the first time I saw both sides.
Normally I just see laalas, but this time I saw both.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, I did too. And I think her reason for
saying in the house is she's so she's so committed
or connected to that home, like even talking with the
interior designer and going over the receipts and talking about
every piece of furniture, like she clearly just can't walk
away from it. I think it's like at this point,
it's about winning. She's in a very winning, I need

(41:16):
to win kind of attitude.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah, like if I think the biggest issue is if
Tom for one second were to say to Ariana, I
loved you so much and things went askew and my
love went away, and instead of ending it, I did

(41:40):
the worst possible thing I could have done to you,
and I portrayed you and I'm so sorry. I do
think we would have a different app I think she
would have moved through this in a different way.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah. Probably Did you write that down and send it
to him? Maybe journal it? Oh I could journal it
and then cry about it in my closet. Yeah, because
I feel like maybe I feel like those words were
excellent choice, thank you, and that you should share those
with him, because I'm not I moved. I felt very moved.
I forgave you you, forgave me for cheating on you. Yes,

(42:14):
in that moment, I forgave you.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Thanks, But clearly this isn't happening. And then we have
to see lots of awkward makeouts this episode.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, yeah, lots between Katie telling Tory that she's had
sex with a girl.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
This is all fine, but then when they start kissing
at the bar and shorts are still there and we've
already seen Tory as Shorts out on a date. This
to me didn't feel like the most organic kiss. No,
it didn't seem genuine, It didn't seem filled with passion.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, well, I is Katie doing it to get back
at Schwartz because did she to see them like flirting
with each other at the bar.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
I think that Katie is very and we're gonna have
her on the pod so we can ask her. But
every time I have hung.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Out with Katie, her like demeanor is very chill, Like
she's just chill and people want to be around her.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
I know that that's not necessarily what we are seeing
on the show, but like we both worked like I
think it was a patrona event and like there were
hot guys like going for her like hot, hot, hot,
every like it was and she was just like laid back.
She didn't seem obsessed, like she didn't like flattered by it.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
It was just like she was cool.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
And I think if we go back in history, we
see that Katie has repeatedly been dicked over by people,
and that's why she has such large reactions because she's like,
you're gaslighting me.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
But what do you think about the fact that she
had sex with his best friend Max and now she's
making out with the girl that just asked him out, Like,
do you think she's doing these things simultaneously just to
get back at him or she hope.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
It's to get back at him, because she's kind of
laughing about it, Like it doesn't even seem malicious, like
the conversation where they are talking about Max, and then
also when they're talking about Toy, they're flirting.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, like so maybe it's maybe it's like healthy competition.
Do you think that we're going to see a threesome
before the end of the season between the three of them,
I mean we might. Joe's going to be really bummed. Well,
Joe's already bombed.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Well, La La and Joe get lunch at the hot
dog stand, which did you see where the hot dog
was poking out of the side and it looked like
a full dinger?

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah? Yeah, where is that? I want to go there now?
Oh it's on Las Sienega. But like the angle, I
was like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
But in her confessional, Joe says she wants to be
welcome into the group. If she's going to be in
short life forever, and Lala is the ticket to that.
I was like Joe that that wasn't a great thing
to say.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
I didn't really understand that she's giving Lala alat of power.
Does that mean Lala's like the gatekeeper and no one
can get into the group unless Lala approves them. I
know this is the second time we've heard this. If
you don't get along with Lala, you're out.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Yeah, but my guess is Lala is the only one
that will pretty much do whatever she has to do
to make a good show.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
And so they know, are you putting a dog? Are you?
Are you all right? My dog is My dog has
not seen me for six days. He needs come here,
hop up here so people can see that I have
a dog and I'm not rubbing like an infection or something.

(45:53):
It's happening here. He's very he's very lonely. He has
not seen me for six and he needs a mom
to I was like, something's going on. Yeah, it's not
an infection, it's just a dog. I'm rubbing it. Okay, good.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
But there is something about Laala meeting Joe at a
hot dog stand that feels so ridiculous yet so right.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
And I appreciated it more than I appreciated.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
James, Alli, Cadie and Arianna at Top Golf.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
I did like the hot dog stand. But you know,
my question is, is she says she's going to be
in shorts life forever, Like that is a very bold statement.
Does that mean in his life forever as marriage like
that's her intent or just that they would be best
friends forever. Well, my guess is during COVID, those two

(46:45):
really like they did everything together. So I think that
Joe because he had no other choice, right, I know,
I think.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
That's the point, like that it was it became her,
he became her everything, and maybe at that point in time,
she became his everything. So those feelings got a little
bit wrapped up and then things got a little askew.
I did like when Laala and Shina went to the
sperm bank and Lala talks about how she's currently part

(47:20):
of a broken family and she wants to make sure
that can't happen again. And I just think that she
said a lot of things that will resonate with a
lot of people. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Absolutely, I understand her choice. I mean, she just I
can't imagine the sharing custody type of situation. I mean,
I know Shane struggled with it for years. Clearly, I
don't know what that's like because we have three children together,
but we're together, so I know how difficult that can
be to have to deal with an ex and have
to do custody and trying to figure things out, and

(47:55):
especially when someone's not flexible. I can't imagine what it's
like to have a child that you just want to
go somewhere with or take somewhere or go on vacation
and you have to ask someone else's permission, you have
to work with their schedule, and.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Especially if you have no content, like if you're It
was a very toxic breakup, not just like okay, we're
no longer compatible, we're breaking up like and then having
to so so I get it. But then of course
they bring up Ariana again. Then we have the hair scene,
which I don't know that we need to we need

(48:28):
to bring up anymore.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
It was a mistake. It's a mistake. I don't think
there's any way.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
I Also, I've never seen somebody put bleach on somebody's
head and not use gloves.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
She just have her hands in there. She's just getting
it in there, I was like, hold on, I'm confused.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah, but what did you think about la Katie being
pissed that Laala went out to lunch with Joe.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
I think Katie, I mean, I think she has to
get over the whole her. She clearly has hatred for Joe.
I mean, Joe is definitely unique and she's quirky, but
I don't think she deserves hatred from I don't think
that Joe appears to be on drugs. I do wish

(49:20):
she had she got doing that she got married. She is,
I just like to say quirky. She's a little quirky.
I don't think she has a malicious bone in her body.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
I think she's so Really, you don't think she has
some malicious bone in her body. You don't think she
did her did shorts hair that color out of spite. No.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
I think she thinks it looks good. I think she
thinks she did a great job. There is no way.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Even at singles night, I feel like she looked at
it and she was like shit, like she wouldn't leave it.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Alone, and it like wouldn't lay right. And okay, wait,
did she know he was going on Singles night before
or after she did his hair. Oh they remember she
was sitting she was doing his hair, and he told
her about singles night. Okay, there we go. She sabotaged him.
She's like, oh, okay, yeah, I get it now. Yeah,
she wanted to scrow over.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
And then she goes, I want to go. I want
to go, And then they wore the singles bands and then.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Why did he say? Okay, though, he has to have
some balls. He has to if he wants boundaries with her,
he has to draw some boundaries.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
I don't really think there's anything to point out about
paintball other than why did the girls come if they
weren't going to play?

Speaker 2 (50:44):
I don't know. Have you ever played paintball? That's my question.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
I have played paintball. I don't need to play it again.
I mean I would if my kids wanted to go.
But none of us like that feeling of that little.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
It hurts, you know, Yeah, you don't like being shot
in the face that like full throttle with a little
thing that stings and then leaves a Well, we don't
and we don't even have specialized outfits for it. So
I mean, you don't have a paintball outfit. I don't.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
And then we get to Joe at Short's house when
he gets home and they're top. Essentially they break up.
We realize at this point they've been hooking up this
whole time, don't you agree?

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Well, yeah, I mean, I'm sure I can't imagine that
she made it up. I mean, and now I understand
why she gets so upset. She gets upset because she
probably just had sex with the guy the night before,
and now he's like speed dating or dating, like yeah,
and making out with the other.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
By the way, I think that trick that he made
out with at the speed dating place would be good television.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
That girl, she was a lot, Yeah, it was a lot.
She was a lot.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
But what about how she said, like we say I
love you to each other? And then you can tell
he's like in a panic state, and he's like.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
I mean we may have even said I love you.
I'm like, you don't even may you didn't? Maybe say
you either said it or you didn't, right, right, Well,
they're clearly on two different pages. I actually felt badly
for her when she was crying. I felt, I don't
think he's the kind of guy that would purposefully use someone.
But because she's so nice, and she's so into him.

(52:21):
He's just allowing her to be used because they have sex.
He tells her that he loves her, but then he
goes out on dates with other people and he's not
recognizing that this is mentally damaging to her.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
But I also envision like what the call would be
that Joe made to her dad, Like, hey, dad, you
know the forty year old guy that I've been sleeping
with in the dirty apartment that's on a TV show
that I was just married and I was friends with
the wife. He told me he didn't want to be
with me anymore on camera, and like then I had

(52:54):
these braids in my hair and then this other girl
made me feel bad about.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
It, Like what did the conversation and what was it
going to be to her dad? Yes, remember when she
starts crying, she goes, she's gonna go talk to my dad. Oh,
my dad. No, she's gonna say that we have sex.
And he says, I love you and I made his
hair very pretty, and then he went on his head

(53:18):
with someone else.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Not only did he go on a speed date with
somebody else, he gave that person his hat. And she
was very concerned that it was going to be his
last one. You don't have more, and then he said,
I have one hundreds, hundreds, hundreds of them in storage.
I was like, you have a storage unit and yet
your apartment looks like that is a storage unit of hats.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Well, it's gonna get juicy, I think next week, Let's hope,
because at this point I'm more excited to talk about
the valley than i was this episode of Anna pump Roles.
So we are going to close out for today, but
we will be back to talk about the valley and
then uh her pump Villa.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
All right, Thanks guys for listening. Thanks hmm