June 22, 2021 • 35 mins
Co-hosts Adrienne Herbert and Tamara Pridgett speak to YiOu Wang, elite ultra and trail runner, and UA athlete. YiOu talks about her journey from dreading the one-mile run to running the Boston Marathon, how years of marathon running inspired her to begin ultra marathons, and how training for endurance helps build resilience and focus.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Running is something that you have to realize isn't always
going to be fun. It's supposed to be a hard
undertaking and I think if you set goals for yourself,
there's going to be moments when it's hard and to
embrace that instead of being discouraged by it. This is
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Sweat the Details, a collaboration with Underrama and I Heart Radio,
a podcast made for women by women that puts our training, journeys, goals,
and mindset at the center. I'm Tamera Bridget and I'm
Adrian Herbert. Every episode we'll hear from athletes, trainers, and
experts who will give us insights into how our bodies
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and minds work together in training and competition. In today's episode,
we are talking about training for endurance, so we're gonna
be covering all things endurance and training your body and
mind for the intensities of endurance sport. Our guest today
is e Owing. She's a professor, not ultra marathon or
trail runner and under Armor athletes. EO knows all about
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what it takes to find that energy to push through
a fifty seventy five or even a one hundred mile run.
As you all know, I'm a distance runner, but EO
is taking distance to the next level. And I think
even more incredible of EO's achievements is that the ultra
marathon scene tends to be filled far more with men
than women. The journal Sports in Science explores the major
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enablers and deterrence to men and women competing in ultras
on What they found is that one of the major
deterrence for competing in ultras is the amount of training time.
And even though male runners may have more dependence, more children,
more commitments, more responsibility, the women overwhelmingly felt the diminishing
effects of those responsibilities when it came to participation. Sadly,
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that does not surprise me whatsoever. I think when we
just like look at how society is set up, what
we've been like conditioned to believe even are the gender
roles dynamics, whether it's like in a relationship or not,
um it seems like women always have to keep everything together,
handle all the responsibilities. But I'm really glad that EO
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is here to show that like that is not the case.
You know, it doesn't have to be that way, Yeah,
for sure. And I think that narrative that we've yes
you say, heard a lot. Is that actually doing something
that requires a lot of time where you're dedicating that
time and energy to yourself is selfish or self indulgent?
And I definitely hear women more than men in my
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space referring to it in that way of feeling kind
of a bit of guilt actually and thinking all this
is super self indulgent. I'm going to take the whole
day to focus on my stuff when I really hope
that people will be encouraged to do that more. Yeah. Absolutely,
And I think doing those things for ourselves, whatever that
looks like, is not selfish. It's necessary because if we
aren't taking care of ourselves and pouring into ourselves, then
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all the other things that are considered our responsibilities won't
be as great. So with that being said, I'm really
looking forward to hearing how EO trains for endurance while
balancing all of the things that she has going on
in life and not just competing but absolutely crushing it. So, Adrian,
what do you say if we get into this interview
with Eo Wing? Yes, let's dive in. Yo, welcome to
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the podcast. Thank you so much for joining us. It's
such a pleasure as a runner myself I've really been
looking forward to having this conversation with you. So if
for anyone listening who might not know much about you
and your journey to fitness, could we maybe start off
that my journey to fitness did not involve a lot
of sports. When I was a kid, I was mostly
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focused on schoolwork. I absolutely did not love running and
didn't think that I was a good runner or a
good athlete. And I wasn't interested at all in athletics
until I went to call Edge and when I was
a freshman in Boston, I spectated the Boston Marathon. So,
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living in Boston every spring, the Boston Marathon is a
huge deal, and conceptually I had no idea what a
marathon was or what the Boston Marathon meant. So I
followed along with a couple of my friends to spectate
at around the mile mark, and I just remember being
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so impressed by the thousands of people running down the street,
and I just thought, Wow, look at the diversity of
people who are out here, and they look so deep
in the pain cave and yet so elated that they're
about to accomplish this tremendous undertaking that I decided I
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really wanted to do it. So I started researching how
to run the Boston Marathon, and that kind of snowball
into how do I even start running and training from
not running at all? And it started really really small,
like I don't think I could run a mile at
that time, and I just got some athletic shoes. They
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weren't even quote unquote proper running shoes, they were like
old sneakers that I had. And I think I started
with a couch to five k program run walk and
then gradually increasing distance. So I really started falling in
love with running when I was able to work up
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to running a marathon to qualify to run Boston, because
it's not even straightforward to just run the Boston Marathon.
You have to run a qualifying time and then you're
able to register. And I think after I did my
first Boston Marathon, that's when I really realized that this
is something I want to do for the rest of
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my life. And at that point, I hadn't even considered
being an elite or sponsored athlete. I just knew that
I really liked running, and I really liked the running
community and the spirit of training together and competing together,
but also being really happy for each other on our accomplishments.
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That's awesome. I feel like that story is so relatable.
I live in New York City, so when the marathon
is going on, I'm always out. I think I'm right
by like mile eighteen, so i'd walk down the street
and that energy is just so real. And although I
probably will never run a marathon, when I'm watching it,
I do feel like in inspired. I'm like, oh, I
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want to do that. So, like you were watching the
Boston Marathon, it made you want to run? You you know,
you said you got like your athletic shoes, you started training.
Can you tell us more about that process and what
it was like for you? Like, was it an instant
I love? This? Was it kind of love? Hey, I'm
gonna see what happened? It was not love at first try,
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because running is really hard, you know, It's something that
gets easier with training, but is never easy. I think
that's how I like to describe it. I think that
when I started, I was lucky to be completely and
extremely naive to the concept of what it takes to
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train for and complete a marathon. I had no experience
and almost no knowledge of what run training was like.
So with those fresh eyes. I didn't think in my
mind that it was going to be really, really difficult
or impossible in any way. I just thought, oh, this
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is you know, how I can start. And I really
started by doing research and trying to learn as much
as I could. Coming from kind of a science focus background,
you know, one of the first things that I like
to do when I'm trying something new is to you
do as much research as possible and read about other
people's experiences and just accumulate knowledge. So I read a
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lot of online resources, and there are some great free
training plans out there available at the time that I
just picked one and decided I would try it and
see how it went. And it also turned into kind
of a goal practice, almost meditation type of thing, where
you know, I had a training calendar and it was
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kind of like testing myself to see if I could
stick to this training plan. Um. I also think it
was a really nice break from the rigors of college
and of school work. You know what, There's so many
things that you're saying that I can really relate to them.
I'm nodding along and thinking, yes, me too. You've achieved
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a lot in running, and I know in two thousand nineteen,
you placed first in the north Face fifty mile Indurance
Challenge with the time of seven and hours, twenty one
minutes fifty seven seconds, which is an insane time. Insane
achievement like that blows my mind. So when did you
realize that you were actually an insanely good runner. I
think I didn't realize I was good at running or
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could run a fast time until much later after I
started running marathons. I do remember kind of the first
moment when I got this inkling that maybe I had
some ability that I hadn't tapped into before, when I
actually went on a run with a friend of mine
in college, and she had grown up as a high
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school cross country runner, and so at first I was
really intimidated to go for a run with her because
I saw her as, you know, an experienced, established runner.
But one day we made a plan and met up
and just ran. I think it was maybe a three
and a half mile loop, and towards the end of
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the run, we were kind of in that zone at
the end where you're like pushing each other to go
just a little bit faster, and you kind of get
this adrenaline that you're getting towards the finish line and
she just turns to me and she was like, girl,
you can really run. And I thought, wow, that's validation
from like someone who um I view as, you know,
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having a lot of experience and knowledge with running, and
also exposure to other runners. So I think that was
the first moment when I kind of thought, yeah, maybe
I am pretty good at this running thing and I
should keep doing it and see where it goes. At
what point did you decide like, Okay, marathons are cool,
they're fun, but I'm going to try to do an
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ultra marathon. So I ran marathons for over ten years
before even thinking about doing an ultra. I was really
into road racing, trying to set prs at all distances.
And it was until I moved to California in two
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thousand nine that I even realized ultra running was a sport.
I thought, well, a marathon is hard enough, like why
would you voluntarily run extra? But after moving to California,
I met a lot of local runners, and here in
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Marin County, I would say that ultra running is even
more popular than marathon ng because there's such a history
on the West coast of people testing themselves in not
only going longer distances, but also in rugged, mountainous terrain.
And I think at first I was definitely in the
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mindset of no way, that is not for me. I
want to run fast on the roads, is what I do.
I don't want to be out there for twenty hours
in mountainous, rugged terrain. That just does not sound appealing.
I like the controlled atmosphere of the road marathon. I
like all the eight stations and people handing me cups
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of water, like I don't want to carry my own
water the whole time. Um. And it wasn't until twoteen
that I got more interested in trying out ultra running
because I had an ankle injury that required some surgery,
so I was not running for about a year, so
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I started kind of rethinking what my future running goals were.
And up until that point, I felt like I had
accomplished a lot of things that I'd set out to
do in the world of marathon ing, and I felt
like it was just time to try something new. And
I found myself just running more on trails and being
more inspired by the scenery and by the challenge of
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the terrain to kind of explore that a bit more.
And we have a lot of local ultra events that
take place in the Bay Area, so I just signed
up for one. It's like, I'm going to try it
and see how it goes, and if I don't like it,
I don't have to do anymore. And if I really
like it, then I can keep pursuing this kind of racing.
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I'm really interested, you know, to hear what the reality
of that looks like, because honestly, I feel like ultramathon
races have become increasingly popular over the last two years. Yeah,
I'm really interested to know if people are listening and thinking, Okay,
maybe ultramarathon running is for me, what's the reality of
that commitment and how do you balance life and rest
and work as well. So I thought, if I want
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to run an ultra or a fifty k, like I
have to do super long training runs and that would
be a huge time and physical and mental energy commitment.
And I found that to train for races like a
fifty k or a fifty mile, it wasn't actually that
much more running than I was doing when I was
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just training for marathons. Um, my long runs got slightly
longer and instead of doing one long run on the
weekend and an easier run. My coach would have me
do say, back to back long runs. But I don't
think I've ever done a run in training that was
more than five hours. I mean, that might sound really long,
but compared to the length of how long some of
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these races are, it's actually not that much. I mean,
that's like half the length of a hundred k or
you know, not even a quarter of the length that
a hundred miler might take. UM. I think that you
definitely need to take the time to build up to it.
People think, oh, an ultra is just five miles more
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than a marathon, How hard can it be. I think
there's a lot of little things that start to become
more important in an ultra, things like hydration and fueling. UM.
Because for a lot of people, if you're coming from
marathon training, you know, you're used to fueling yourself for
a certain amount of time, whether it's three hours or
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four hours, But then you tack on another forty minutes
or an hour to get to that fifty k mark,
and your body goes through all kinds of new things
in that next hour, especially if it's your first ultra
So I think being knowledgeable about and also practicing nutrition
is really important for someone trying their first ultra marathon.
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And I think that the thing that people often don't
realize is a lot of these ultra marathons are in
pretty remote places compared to going to a marathon, and
there's a lot of logistics that you have to figure
out because there isn't the type of support that you
receive from a race like the New York Marathon. I mean,
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there often aren't things like shuttles or um lots of
aid stations along the way, so you have to be
very self sufficient. And you know, one of the things
that we face an ultra running is that a lot
of races are heavily male entran skewed, and there's you know,
a much smaller percentage of women participating in ultramarathons. And
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I have a lot of theories about that, and I
think part of it is that time commitment that you
have to put in, especially on the weekends. Like you know,
I said, a five hour run doesn't sound very long,
but for a mom, that's a really long time to
be away. Yes, exactly, I was thinking, I'm a mom
to a nine year old, and it's not just the
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time you're out and you're running, but it's also when
you come back, Like I know if I've come back
from a two hour run and then it's like, Okay,
can we go to the park? Can we got my scooter?
Can we play football? And you're like, I'm thinking, I
really need to rest my legs, but okay, let's go. Yeah.
It's really it's a physical load, and it's also the
mental load. Right. We've touched on like nutrition, we've touched
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on the actual physical aspect of training, but what is
that mental preparation look like for you? A lot of
it involves trying to reduce outside stressors. So things that
are not running related that stress you out in life
have a big effect on your training. For example, in
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my life, if I'm stressed about my work as I
work as a teacher, then that often leads into a
run that doesn't feel good or leads into a workout
that doesn't go as well as I wanted, and I
feel like I can't hit the paces or the intensities
that I want. So part of my process is to
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learn to almost disengage from the intrusive thoughts about other things.
That are going on and just be okay with like
shelving it or leaving it aside, and to try to
stay present in the moment of being with the run
and what is going on right now. And also I
think thinking about why you're motivated to do this run,
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or you run because you feel like you have something
to prove to other people, or are you doing this
because you really love it and you want to do
it for your personal growth? Yeah, oh my gosh. Yeah,
And there's so many things in the mix there. And
I think you know, you touched a little bit before
on the mental aspect when it comes to you know, yeah,
the external pressures or trying to, as you said, like
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kind of block out the things that might distract you.
But when you're actually in a race, I'm really interested
to kind of go there and kind of get into
what that looks like, because you mentioned as well about
mile twenty five and like the pain lockers. But you know,
and I've heard this whole thing that when it comes
to endurance, you know, the mind is the master of
the body. It's all about the mindset. But have you
ever had a point in a race, in an ultra
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where your mind has actually given up before your body
and you just think, you know what, I actually can't
keep going or I want to quit or I want
to stop, and if so, what did you do? How
did you make it to the finish line. I think
the mental aspect comes into play in every single ultra marathon. Mean,
there have been races where I thought, at mile ten
out of fifty that I feel terrible and I'm not
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gonna get there, and you're like, oh my gosh, I
have forty miles left. Um, what I like to do
is tell myself to stay as relaxed as possible and
feel like I'm running as easy as possible for as
long as possible. And surprisingly, there's moments where if you're
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able to kind of just let the anxiety of how
much distance and how much effort is left go, there's
hours that just fly by and suddenly you're already at
mile thirty or at mile forty, and then you know, okay,
I have a certain distance left. Let's set some small
benchmarks for getting yourself to that next point. Then that
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becomes okay, let's focus on the nutrition, the hydration, like
kind of taking your mind off of the over all
picture of how deep in the pain cave you're about
to get and trying to focus on what are the
little things that are going to keep you going? So
I need to eat this gel, I need to just
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get to that tree. You have to kind of realize, Okay,
my body can keep going, isn't my mind that's telling
me that I can't, And then you can say things
to kind of encourage yourself. So one of the things
that I've continued to do is to talk to myself
in third person. And I read a study that showed
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that talking to yourself in third person actually mimics, you know,
people cheering for you, and for some that can be
even more motivating, especially when you're several hours into an
event than giving yourself the self talk, so you can
kind of trick yourself because six hours and you're not
thinking that clearly anyway. Yeah, I'm definitely taking that talking
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to myself third person because you're right, like, whether you're
competing or your training, there are just those moments where
you're like questioning all your life choices, why did I
decide to pursue this um? So I think that is
extremely helpful. I'd like to pivot a little bit. So
I definitely think that running is something that you either
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absolutely love or you absolutely hate. So, as someone who
didn't grow up as a runner, maybe didn't really love
it initially, what advice would you have for people to
just find enjoyment in it. My advice for people trying
to find enjoyment in running is to find a community.
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I think my running community has kept me going through
a lot of times when I didn't like running, when
I didn't feel particularly good. UM. I think finding, you know,
a supportive community is so important whatever you're pursuing, and
I think especially so for running. UM. I think some
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of the best conversations and deepest conversations I've ever had
with people have been on a run. And another thing
that I think is really important is to find what
about it is actually compelling to you. Is it the
physical aspect, is it the mental aspect? Is it that
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you enjoy the goal setting aspect? And I think running
is also something that you have to realize isn't always
going to be fun or easy. Um. It's supposed to
be a hard undertaking. And I think if you set
goals for yourself, there's going to be moments when it's hard,
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and to embrace that instead of being discouraged by it. Yeah,
So when you're not running, what else are you doing
to support your recovery, to support your your strength? What
else are you doing when I'm not running? Um, I'm
doing strength and stretch. The concept of doing strength training
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as a runner has really become popular in the last
couple of years, as research and evidence suggests that doing
that kind of work is really beneficial to maintaining kind
of your body's integrity as you go on a run,
and it's also a great injury prevention tool. So I
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do strength and mobility work. I do a lot of
walking to depending on how much running I'm doing. I
find like going for a walk at the end of
the day helps to release some of the tension from
the other activities that I've done during the day. It's
also a gentle form of movement that gets your blood
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flow going and kind of flesh out some of the
things that have built up in your muscles and your
joints throughout the day. That sounds good. We're gonna take
a short break and then we'll be back with more
from our guest Eo Wang. Welcome back today. We are
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joined by Yo Wang, and we're talking all about endurance training. Well,
I think this is a great time to switch it
up a little bit. So we always play games with
our guest and we have one for you today and
it's called what I Eat on a run? So basically,
we just want to know how you're fueling during your
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ultra marathons and just various runs that you go on,
and we also want to know how you store it
because I think that's an important aspect to this. So
let's start off with do you have a favorite bar?
I really like lunar bars. The lemon flavor classic Lemon
lunar bar always tastes really good on a run. I
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think that hartness kind of wakes you up with your
taste buds. Um, I eat a lot of Cliff Bars
to my favorite flavors cool mint, chocolate, and it also
has the kick of caffeine that helps great. Well, you
mentioned caffeine. So the next one is what is your
favorite thing to drink on a run? My favorite thing
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to drink on a run is actually plain water. Um.
I find if I'm also eating a lot of things
like bars and gels and I'm drinking water with something
in it, it kind of becomes too overwhelming and cloying
in my mouth, and I just really want plain water
to kind of like wash it down. Is there anything
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unusual that you like to snack on during your runs? Well,
for really long runs, I bring chocolate chip cookies. I
knew you're gonna say that. I was specifically thinking Levaine
cookies because that's such a thing in New York and
I had one last night. I knew you're going to
say that. I'd love to know after you complete fifty
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email run, when you get back, what is the meal?
What do you want to eat when you've recovered, when
your stomach up to it, what's the meal that you
want to have? My recovery meal is a burger and
fries and ice cream. Yes, yes, that sounds wonderful. You
don't have to run to enjoy it. Yeah, that's a classic.
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So how are you holding all of this stuff? I
think now that's like, okay, she's taken gels, cookies. How
are you carrying all of this with you? I duct
tape it to my body. I'm just kidding. People do
do that, you know, in the in the old school days,
people would take plastic water bottles and duct tape them
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to their hands, so it would make carrying them a
little bit easier because there weren't specialized products at on
the market um for carrying stuff with you while running,
so people would duct tape it to their hands or um,
you know, around their waist or on the band of
their shorts. UM. I usually take either a running belt
or running vest with me, depending on the length of
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the event and whether there's going to be water or
food aid stops along the way, that kind of determines
what product I'm using to carry my stuff. UM. I
carry most of my nutrition either in the front pockets
or like side pockets around my sternum. And yeah, that
I think is my go to method for carrying stuff. Well,
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you know, thank you so much for joining us today
and really just telling us so much about ultra running
and just how you got started. Super inspiring for all
of us, no matter what type of running we partaken.
So thank you so much for your time. Thank you
that was really fun. Thank you again so much, Eo
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Wang for sharing her super insightful and interesting story as
well as the advice for any newbie and experienced runners
who are out there listening. That conversation was so great.
Eo was so underful to talk to you. I feel
like she convinced me to like want to add a
little more, a little more distant running into my routine,
but not making any promises. Watch this space. We'll see
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just a little bit. You know. There was so many
great tips and tricks in this conversation, but one that
really stuck with me was when Io said that she
talks to herself in third person to stay motivated, and
I was like, yes, that is so amazing, because you
have to get out of your head, get out of
your mind and whatever is happening there, especially when you're tired,
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and to just like talk to yourself from like this
outsider perspective, like Tamera is great, like you are amazing,
she is fast. You know, I think that's super helpful.
I've actually done it on a few workouts and it
does help all that in my opinion. Yeah, I knew
you really liked that. Obviously, so many great takeaways from
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that conversation, and now it's time for us to check
in on our goals. Yes, let's do that. So for
any new listeners of the show, at this point, every episode,
Tama and I check in with you and also with
each other on our current fitness goals, so we get
real about the progress, we share what we've been doing,
we talk about the struggles, and we also ask for
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help exactly. And so, Adrian, I know you're aiming to
get a new personal best for your next half marathon.
So how are things going for you? Sure? Yeah, this
week has been really good for my confidence, actually, because
I think it was the longest training run that I've
done in in quite a few weeks. So I did
a ten and a half mile run, which is actually
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really hilly near where I live, and so the race
course that I'm going to be running on is super flat,
So doing ten and a half miles out on the hills,
I managed to stick to a quite a good pace
and I felt really strong in the last mile. That
really gave me a confidence boost. I think I really
needed that. They made me think, yes, okay, I'm in
with a chance. I'm still in with the chance of
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getting that personal best. You're gonna get it. Well, we'll
see it's coming soon. Yeah, you're gonna get it. I
feel like that session came at such a great time
for you because you know, the hilly workout, it's a
challenge and you gotta get out of your head. So
when you when it comes to race day and it's
a lot flatter and you just have so much energy
and endorphins and indrenaline like running through you, You're you're
gonna crush it. So how can we support you as
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you get closer to your race? How can our audience
support you? Okay, great question, I think, to be honest,
because I haven't done a race for so long, obviously
with the pandemic that hasn't been any races. I think
what I'd love to hear from people in terms of
support is like, how do the people manage their pre
race nerves, whether it's the night before, whether it's the morning.
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Because for me, I, as I said, I know I'm
gonna be excited about the race, but I'm also going
to be nervous because I've shared with you about this
this goal. So I feel like in the morning when
I'm having my breakfast and my stomach is a bit like, oh,
how do people cope with those pre race nerves? That
would be great. Yeah, nerves. Nerves are a tricky thing
because right you sometimes feel like, oh my god, this
is bad, Like I'm sweating, I'm my heart's pounding, this
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this is a bad sign. You can like flip that
thought process and you know, tell yourself like that means
you're prepared, you're excited. So that's how I kind of
approached them. I know we're all different, so I'd also
love to hear how people channel and handle the nerves
that they experienced before race. Yeah. Absolutely, So Tammas, tell us,
how are things going for you? You're training for the
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heptathle at the moment, so how is it going. Yeah,
So for our regular listeners, you know that I'm training
for the heptathlon, which is a track and field event
that is seven events over the course of two days.
But also first and foremost just training to get back
into track shape after having a really intense surgery. But
I feel so great right now, which is like very
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rare for me to say when I think about just
like all the years I've been doing track and field,
similar to you, I feel so confident with my training sessions,
and it's like a consistent confidence, which is super important.
And then also when I look at the times over
the progression of this training block that I just completed,
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like the numbers don't lie, They're getting so much better.
So I'm like, I'm just super excited, um to the
point that I texted my coach. I'm like, I want
to do have tafflon before the end of the year.
Do you think that's possible? And he's like, yeah, absolutely.
I'm like, Okay, cool, we're on the same page. Awesome.
That's so great to hear. I'm really happy that it's
going so well because I even just the energy in
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your voice when you talk about it, nothing can replace that.
It's such a great feeling. So I just really hope
that continues. So how can we help support, you know,
as a teammate, how can I help to support and
hopefully keep this energy and keep it going. Yeah, that's
a great question. I think just to remind me of
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this moment of like just feeling great, but also just
to remind me to stay present. If I can just
focus on today's work out, the specific rep that I'm doing,
you know, like take it once up at a time,
that's when I perform my best. Just remind me to
stay present with every little thing that I'm doing, and
I think I'll be good. It's an easy one. I
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will remind you of this conversation. If you're having those
inevitable libs and flows and being like, hey, remember when
it felt like that and you just got to hang
on that that feeling will return. So yeah, it's awesome
and we want to hear as well the listeners how
you're doing, so please do reach out on socials, cheer
us on, give us any of your top tips and
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to reach out, you can find me on Twitter and
Instagram at at Adrian under School l d N. Yeah,
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TAM's Going Ham and on Twitter at Tamera Pridget. That's
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Running is something that you have to realize isn't always
going to be fun. It's supposed to be a hard
undertaking and I think if you set goals for yourself,
there's going to be moments when it's hard and to
embrace that instead of being discouraged by it. This is
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Sweat the Details, a collaboration with Underrama and I Heart Radio,
a podcast made for women by women that puts our training, journeys, goals,
and mindset at the center. I'm Tamera Bridget and I'm
Adrian Herbert. Every episode we'll hear from athletes, trainers, and
experts who will give us insights into how our bodies
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and minds work together in training and competition. In today's episode,
we are talking about training for endurance, so we're gonna
be covering all things endurance and training your body and
mind for the intensities of endurance sport. Our guest today
is e Owing. She's a professor, not ultra marathon or
trail runner and under Armor athletes. EO knows all about
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what it takes to find that energy to push through
a fifty seventy five or even a one hundred mile run.
As you all know, I'm a distance runner, but EO
is taking distance to the next level. And I think
even more incredible of EO's achievements is that the ultra
marathon scene tends to be filled far more with men
than women. The journal Sports in Science explores the major
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enablers and deterrence to men and women competing in ultras
on What they found is that one of the major
deterrence for competing in ultras is the amount of training time.
And even though male runners may have more dependence, more children,
more commitments, more responsibility, the women overwhelmingly felt the diminishing
effects of those responsibilities when it came to participation. Sadly,
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that does not surprise me whatsoever. I think when we
just like look at how society is set up, what
we've been like conditioned to believe even are the gender
roles dynamics, whether it's like in a relationship or not,
um it seems like women always have to keep everything together,
handle all the responsibilities. But I'm really glad that EO
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is here to show that like that is not the case.
You know, it doesn't have to be that way, Yeah,
for sure. And I think that narrative that we've yes
you say, heard a lot. Is that actually doing something
that requires a lot of time where you're dedicating that
time and energy to yourself is selfish or self indulgent?
And I definitely hear women more than men in my
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space referring to it in that way of feeling kind
of a bit of guilt actually and thinking all this
is super self indulgent. I'm going to take the whole
day to focus on my stuff when I really hope
that people will be encouraged to do that more. Yeah. Absolutely,
And I think doing those things for ourselves, whatever that
looks like, is not selfish. It's necessary because if we
aren't taking care of ourselves and pouring into ourselves, then
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all the other things that are considered our responsibilities won't
be as great. So with that being said, I'm really
looking forward to hearing how EO trains for endurance while
balancing all of the things that she has going on
in life and not just competing but absolutely crushing it. So, Adrian,
what do you say if we get into this interview
with Eo Wing? Yes, let's dive in. Yo, welcome to
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the podcast. Thank you so much for joining us. It's
such a pleasure as a runner myself I've really been
looking forward to having this conversation with you. So if
for anyone listening who might not know much about you
and your journey to fitness, could we maybe start off
that my journey to fitness did not involve a lot
of sports. When I was a kid, I was mostly
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focused on schoolwork. I absolutely did not love running and
didn't think that I was a good runner or a
good athlete. And I wasn't interested at all in athletics
until I went to call Edge and when I was
a freshman in Boston, I spectated the Boston Marathon. So,
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living in Boston every spring, the Boston Marathon is a
huge deal, and conceptually I had no idea what a
marathon was or what the Boston Marathon meant. So I
followed along with a couple of my friends to spectate
at around the mile mark, and I just remember being
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so impressed by the thousands of people running down the street,
and I just thought, Wow, look at the diversity of
people who are out here, and they look so deep
in the pain cave and yet so elated that they're
about to accomplish this tremendous undertaking that I decided I
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really wanted to do it. So I started researching how
to run the Boston Marathon, and that kind of snowball
into how do I even start running and training from
not running at all? And it started really really small,
like I don't think I could run a mile at
that time, and I just got some athletic shoes. They
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weren't even quote unquote proper running shoes, they were like
old sneakers that I had. And I think I started
with a couch to five k program run walk and
then gradually increasing distance. So I really started falling in
love with running when I was able to work up
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to running a marathon to qualify to run Boston, because
it's not even straightforward to just run the Boston Marathon.
You have to run a qualifying time and then you're
able to register. And I think after I did my
first Boston Marathon, that's when I really realized that this
is something I want to do for the rest of
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my life. And at that point, I hadn't even considered
being an elite or sponsored athlete. I just knew that
I really liked running, and I really liked the running
community and the spirit of training together and competing together,
but also being really happy for each other on our accomplishments.
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That's awesome. I feel like that story is so relatable.
I live in New York City, so when the marathon
is going on, I'm always out. I think I'm right
by like mile eighteen, so i'd walk down the street
and that energy is just so real. And although I
probably will never run a marathon, when I'm watching it,
I do feel like in inspired. I'm like, oh, I
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want to do that. So, like you were watching the
Boston Marathon, it made you want to run? You you know,
you said you got like your athletic shoes, you started training.
Can you tell us more about that process and what
it was like for you? Like, was it an instant
I love? This? Was it kind of love? Hey, I'm
gonna see what happened? It was not love at first try,
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because running is really hard, you know, It's something that
gets easier with training, but is never easy. I think
that's how I like to describe it. I think that
when I started, I was lucky to be completely and
extremely naive to the concept of what it takes to
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train for and complete a marathon. I had no experience
and almost no knowledge of what run training was like.
So with those fresh eyes. I didn't think in my
mind that it was going to be really, really difficult
or impossible in any way. I just thought, oh, this
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is you know, how I can start. And I really
started by doing research and trying to learn as much
as I could. Coming from kind of a science focus background,
you know, one of the first things that I like
to do when I'm trying something new is to you
do as much research as possible and read about other
people's experiences and just accumulate knowledge. So I read a
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lot of online resources, and there are some great free
training plans out there available at the time that I
just picked one and decided I would try it and
see how it went. And it also turned into kind
of a goal practice, almost meditation type of thing, where
you know, I had a training calendar and it was
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kind of like testing myself to see if I could
stick to this training plan. Um. I also think it
was a really nice break from the rigors of college
and of school work. You know what, There's so many
things that you're saying that I can really relate to them.
I'm nodding along and thinking, yes, me too. You've achieved
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a lot in running, and I know in two thousand nineteen,
you placed first in the north Face fifty mile Indurance
Challenge with the time of seven and hours, twenty one
minutes fifty seven seconds, which is an insane time. Insane
achievement like that blows my mind. So when did you
realize that you were actually an insanely good runner. I
think I didn't realize I was good at running or
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could run a fast time until much later after I
started running marathons. I do remember kind of the first
moment when I got this inkling that maybe I had
some ability that I hadn't tapped into before, when I
actually went on a run with a friend of mine
in college, and she had grown up as a high
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school cross country runner, and so at first I was
really intimidated to go for a run with her because
I saw her as, you know, an experienced, established runner.
But one day we made a plan and met up
and just ran. I think it was maybe a three
and a half mile loop, and towards the end of
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the run, we were kind of in that zone at
the end where you're like pushing each other to go
just a little bit faster, and you kind of get
this adrenaline that you're getting towards the finish line and
she just turns to me and she was like, girl,
you can really run. And I thought, wow, that's validation
from like someone who um I view as, you know,
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having a lot of experience and knowledge with running, and
also exposure to other runners. So I think that was
the first moment when I kind of thought, yeah, maybe
I am pretty good at this running thing and I
should keep doing it and see where it goes. At
what point did you decide like, Okay, marathons are cool,
they're fun, but I'm going to try to do an
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ultra marathon. So I ran marathons for over ten years
before even thinking about doing an ultra. I was really
into road racing, trying to set prs at all distances.
And it was until I moved to California in two
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thousand nine that I even realized ultra running was a sport.
I thought, well, a marathon is hard enough, like why
would you voluntarily run extra? But after moving to California,
I met a lot of local runners, and here in
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Marin County, I would say that ultra running is even
more popular than marathon ng because there's such a history
on the West coast of people testing themselves in not
only going longer distances, but also in rugged, mountainous terrain.
And I think at first I was definitely in the
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mindset of no way, that is not for me. I
want to run fast on the roads, is what I do.
I don't want to be out there for twenty hours
in mountainous, rugged terrain. That just does not sound appealing.
I like the controlled atmosphere of the road marathon. I
like all the eight stations and people handing me cups
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of water, like I don't want to carry my own
water the whole time. Um. And it wasn't until twoteen
that I got more interested in trying out ultra running
because I had an ankle injury that required some surgery,
so I was not running for about a year, so
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I started kind of rethinking what my future running goals were.
And up until that point, I felt like I had
accomplished a lot of things that I'd set out to
do in the world of marathon ing, and I felt
like it was just time to try something new. And
I found myself just running more on trails and being
more inspired by the scenery and by the challenge of
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the terrain to kind of explore that a bit more.
And we have a lot of local ultra events that
take place in the Bay Area, so I just signed
up for one. It's like, I'm going to try it
and see how it goes, and if I don't like it,
I don't have to do anymore. And if I really
like it, then I can keep pursuing this kind of racing.
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I'm really interested, you know, to hear what the reality
of that looks like, because honestly, I feel like ultramathon
races have become increasingly popular over the last two years. Yeah,
I'm really interested to know if people are listening and thinking, Okay,
maybe ultramarathon running is for me, what's the reality of
that commitment and how do you balance life and rest
and work as well. So I thought, if I want
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to run an ultra or a fifty k, like I
have to do super long training runs and that would
be a huge time and physical and mental energy commitment.
And I found that to train for races like a
fifty k or a fifty mile, it wasn't actually that
much more running than I was doing when I was
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just training for marathons. Um, my long runs got slightly
longer and instead of doing one long run on the
weekend and an easier run. My coach would have me
do say, back to back long runs. But I don't
think I've ever done a run in training that was
more than five hours. I mean, that might sound really long,
but compared to the length of how long some of
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these races are, it's actually not that much. I mean,
that's like half the length of a hundred k or
you know, not even a quarter of the length that
a hundred miler might take. UM. I think that you
definitely need to take the time to build up to it.
People think, oh, an ultra is just five miles more
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than a marathon, How hard can it be. I think
there's a lot of little things that start to become
more important in an ultra, things like hydration and fueling. UM.
Because for a lot of people, if you're coming from
marathon training, you know, you're used to fueling yourself for
a certain amount of time, whether it's three hours or
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four hours, But then you tack on another forty minutes
or an hour to get to that fifty k mark,
and your body goes through all kinds of new things
in that next hour, especially if it's your first ultra
So I think being knowledgeable about and also practicing nutrition
is really important for someone trying their first ultra marathon.
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And I think that the thing that people often don't
realize is a lot of these ultra marathons are in
pretty remote places compared to going to a marathon, and
there's a lot of logistics that you have to figure
out because there isn't the type of support that you
receive from a race like the New York Marathon. I mean,
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there often aren't things like shuttles or um lots of
aid stations along the way, so you have to be
very self sufficient. And you know, one of the things
that we face an ultra running is that a lot
of races are heavily male entran skewed, and there's you know,
a much smaller percentage of women participating in ultramarathons. And
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I have a lot of theories about that, and I
think part of it is that time commitment that you
have to put in, especially on the weekends. Like you know,
I said, a five hour run doesn't sound very long,
but for a mom, that's a really long time to
be away. Yes, exactly, I was thinking, I'm a mom
to a nine year old, and it's not just the
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time you're out and you're running, but it's also when
you come back, Like I know if I've come back
from a two hour run and then it's like, Okay,
can we go to the park? Can we got my scooter?
Can we play football? And you're like, I'm thinking, I
really need to rest my legs, but okay, let's go. Yeah.
It's really it's a physical load, and it's also the
mental load. Right. We've touched on like nutrition, we've touched
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on the actual physical aspect of training, but what is
that mental preparation look like for you? A lot of
it involves trying to reduce outside stressors. So things that
are not running related that stress you out in life
have a big effect on your training. For example, in
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my life, if I'm stressed about my work as I
work as a teacher, then that often leads into a
run that doesn't feel good or leads into a workout
that doesn't go as well as I wanted, and I
feel like I can't hit the paces or the intensities
that I want. So part of my process is to
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learn to almost disengage from the intrusive thoughts about other things.
That are going on and just be okay with like
shelving it or leaving it aside, and to try to
stay present in the moment of being with the run
and what is going on right now. And also I
think thinking about why you're motivated to do this run,
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or you run because you feel like you have something
to prove to other people, or are you doing this
because you really love it and you want to do
it for your personal growth? Yeah, oh my gosh. Yeah,
And there's so many things in the mix there. And
I think you know, you touched a little bit before
on the mental aspect when it comes to you know, yeah,
the external pressures or trying to, as you said, like
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kind of block out the things that might distract you.
But when you're actually in a race, I'm really interested
to kind of go there and kind of get into
what that looks like, because you mentioned as well about
mile twenty five and like the pain lockers. But you know,
and I've heard this whole thing that when it comes
to endurance, you know, the mind is the master of
the body. It's all about the mindset. But have you
ever had a point in a race, in an ultra
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where your mind has actually given up before your body
and you just think, you know what, I actually can't
keep going or I want to quit or I want
to stop, and if so, what did you do? How
did you make it to the finish line. I think
the mental aspect comes into play in every single ultra marathon. Mean,
there have been races where I thought, at mile ten
out of fifty that I feel terrible and I'm not
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gonna get there, and you're like, oh my gosh, I
have forty miles left. Um, what I like to do
is tell myself to stay as relaxed as possible and
feel like I'm running as easy as possible for as
long as possible. And surprisingly, there's moments where if you're
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able to kind of just let the anxiety of how
much distance and how much effort is left go, there's
hours that just fly by and suddenly you're already at
mile thirty or at mile forty, and then you know, okay,
I have a certain distance left. Let's set some small
benchmarks for getting yourself to that next point. Then that
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becomes okay, let's focus on the nutrition, the hydration, like
kind of taking your mind off of the over all
picture of how deep in the pain cave you're about
to get and trying to focus on what are the
little things that are going to keep you going? So
I need to eat this gel, I need to just
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get to that tree. You have to kind of realize, Okay,
my body can keep going, isn't my mind that's telling
me that I can't, And then you can say things
to kind of encourage yourself. So one of the things
that I've continued to do is to talk to myself
in third person. And I read a study that showed
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that talking to yourself in third person actually mimics, you know,
people cheering for you, and for some that can be
even more motivating, especially when you're several hours into an
event than giving yourself the self talk, so you can
kind of trick yourself because six hours and you're not
thinking that clearly anyway. Yeah, I'm definitely taking that talking
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to myself third person because you're right, like, whether you're
competing or your training, there are just those moments where
you're like questioning all your life choices, why did I
decide to pursue this um? So I think that is
extremely helpful. I'd like to pivot a little bit. So
I definitely think that running is something that you either
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absolutely love or you absolutely hate. So, as someone who
didn't grow up as a runner, maybe didn't really love
it initially, what advice would you have for people to
just find enjoyment in it. My advice for people trying
to find enjoyment in running is to find a community.
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I think my running community has kept me going through
a lot of times when I didn't like running, when
I didn't feel particularly good. UM. I think finding, you know,
a supportive community is so important whatever you're pursuing, and
I think especially so for running. UM. I think some
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of the best conversations and deepest conversations I've ever had
with people have been on a run. And another thing
that I think is really important is to find what
about it is actually compelling to you. Is it the
physical aspect, is it the mental aspect? Is it that
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you enjoy the goal setting aspect? And I think running
is also something that you have to realize isn't always
going to be fun or easy. Um. It's supposed to
be a hard undertaking. And I think if you set
goals for yourself, there's going to be moments when it's hard,
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and to embrace that instead of being discouraged by it. Yeah,
So when you're not running, what else are you doing
to support your recovery, to support your your strength? What
else are you doing when I'm not running? Um, I'm
doing strength and stretch. The concept of doing strength training
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as a runner has really become popular in the last
couple of years, as research and evidence suggests that doing
that kind of work is really beneficial to maintaining kind
of your body's integrity as you go on a run,
and it's also a great injury prevention tool. So I
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do strength and mobility work. I do a lot of
walking to depending on how much running I'm doing. I
find like going for a walk at the end of
the day helps to release some of the tension from
the other activities that I've done during the day. It's
also a gentle form of movement that gets your blood
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flow going and kind of flesh out some of the
things that have built up in your muscles and your
joints throughout the day. That sounds good. We're gonna take
a short break and then we'll be back with more
from our guest Eo Wang. Welcome back today. We are
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joined by Yo Wang, and we're talking all about endurance training. Well,
I think this is a great time to switch it
up a little bit. So we always play games with
our guest and we have one for you today and
it's called what I Eat on a run? So basically,
we just want to know how you're fueling during your
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ultra marathons and just various runs that you go on,
and we also want to know how you store it
because I think that's an important aspect to this. So
let's start off with do you have a favorite bar?
I really like lunar bars. The lemon flavor classic Lemon
lunar bar always tastes really good on a run. I
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think that hartness kind of wakes you up with your
taste buds. Um, I eat a lot of Cliff Bars
to my favorite flavors cool mint, chocolate, and it also
has the kick of caffeine that helps great. Well, you
mentioned caffeine. So the next one is what is your
favorite thing to drink on a run? My favorite thing
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to drink on a run is actually plain water. Um.
I find if I'm also eating a lot of things
like bars and gels and I'm drinking water with something
in it, it kind of becomes too overwhelming and cloying
in my mouth, and I just really want plain water
to kind of like wash it down. Is there anything
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unusual that you like to snack on during your runs? Well,
for really long runs, I bring chocolate chip cookies. I
knew you're gonna say that. I was specifically thinking Levaine
cookies because that's such a thing in New York and
I had one last night. I knew you're going to
say that. I'd love to know after you complete fifty
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email run, when you get back, what is the meal?
What do you want to eat when you've recovered, when
your stomach up to it, what's the meal that you
want to have? My recovery meal is a burger and
fries and ice cream. Yes, yes, that sounds wonderful. You
don't have to run to enjoy it. Yeah, that's a classic.
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So how are you holding all of this stuff? I
think now that's like, okay, she's taken gels, cookies. How
are you carrying all of this with you? I duct
tape it to my body. I'm just kidding. People do
do that, you know, in the in the old school days,
people would take plastic water bottles and duct tape them
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to their hands, so it would make carrying them a
little bit easier because there weren't specialized products at on
the market um for carrying stuff with you while running,
so people would duct tape it to their hands or um,
you know, around their waist or on the band of
their shorts. UM. I usually take either a running belt
or running vest with me, depending on the length of
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the event and whether there's going to be water or
food aid stops along the way, that kind of determines
what product I'm using to carry my stuff. UM. I
carry most of my nutrition either in the front pockets
or like side pockets around my sternum. And yeah, that
I think is my go to method for carrying stuff. Well,
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you know, thank you so much for joining us today
and really just telling us so much about ultra running
and just how you got started. Super inspiring for all
of us, no matter what type of running we partaken.
So thank you so much for your time. Thank you
that was really fun. Thank you again so much, Eo
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Wang for sharing her super insightful and interesting story as
well as the advice for any newbie and experienced runners
who are out there listening. That conversation was so great.
Eo was so underful to talk to you. I feel
like she convinced me to like want to add a
little more, a little more distant running into my routine,
but not making any promises. Watch this space. We'll see
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just a little bit. You know. There was so many
great tips and tricks in this conversation, but one that
really stuck with me was when Io said that she
talks to herself in third person to stay motivated, and
I was like, yes, that is so amazing, because you
have to get out of your head, get out of
your mind and whatever is happening there, especially when you're tired,
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and to just like talk to yourself from like this
outsider perspective, like Tamera is great, like you are amazing,
she is fast. You know, I think that's super helpful.
I've actually done it on a few workouts and it
does help all that in my opinion. Yeah, I knew
you really liked that. Obviously, so many great takeaways from
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that conversation, and now it's time for us to check
in on our goals. Yes, let's do that. So for
any new listeners of the show, at this point, every episode,
Tama and I check in with you and also with
each other on our current fitness goals, so we get
real about the progress, we share what we've been doing,
we talk about the struggles, and we also ask for
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help exactly. And so, Adrian, I know you're aiming to
get a new personal best for your next half marathon.
So how are things going for you? Sure? Yeah, this
week has been really good for my confidence, actually, because
I think it was the longest training run that I've
done in in quite a few weeks. So I did
a ten and a half mile run, which is actually
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really hilly near where I live, and so the race
course that I'm going to be running on is super flat,
So doing ten and a half miles out on the hills,
I managed to stick to a quite a good pace
and I felt really strong in the last mile. That
really gave me a confidence boost. I think I really
needed that. They made me think, yes, okay, I'm in
with a chance. I'm still in with the chance of
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getting that personal best. You're gonna get it. Well, we'll
see it's coming soon. Yeah, you're gonna get it. I
feel like that session came at such a great time
for you because you know, the hilly workout, it's a
challenge and you gotta get out of your head. So
when you when it comes to race day and it's
a lot flatter and you just have so much energy
and endorphins and indrenaline like running through you, You're you're
gonna crush it. So how can we support you as
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you get closer to your race? How can our audience
support you? Okay, great question, I think, to be honest,
because I haven't done a race for so long, obviously
with the pandemic that hasn't been any races. I think
what I'd love to hear from people in terms of
support is like, how do the people manage their pre
race nerves, whether it's the night before, whether it's the morning.
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Because for me, I, as I said, I know I'm
gonna be excited about the race, but I'm also going
to be nervous because I've shared with you about this
this goal. So I feel like in the morning when
I'm having my breakfast and my stomach is a bit like, oh,
how do people cope with those pre race nerves? That
would be great. Yeah, nerves. Nerves are a tricky thing
because right you sometimes feel like, oh my god, this
is bad, Like I'm sweating, I'm my heart's pounding, this
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this is a bad sign. You can like flip that
thought process and you know, tell yourself like that means
you're prepared, you're excited. So that's how I kind of
approached them. I know we're all different, so I'd also
love to hear how people channel and handle the nerves
that they experienced before race. Yeah. Absolutely, So Tammas, tell us,
how are things going for you? You're training for the
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heptathle at the moment, so how is it going. Yeah,
So for our regular listeners, you know that I'm training
for the heptathlon, which is a track and field event
that is seven events over the course of two days.
But also first and foremost just training to get back
into track shape after having a really intense surgery. But
I feel so great right now, which is like very
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rare for me to say when I think about just
like all the years I've been doing track and field,
similar to you, I feel so confident with my training sessions,
and it's like a consistent confidence, which is super important.
And then also when I look at the times over
the progression of this training block that I just completed,
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like the numbers don't lie, They're getting so much better.
So I'm like, I'm just super excited, um to the
point that I texted my coach. I'm like, I want
to do have tafflon before the end of the year.
Do you think that's possible? And he's like, yeah, absolutely.
I'm like, Okay, cool, we're on the same page. Awesome.
That's so great to hear. I'm really happy that it's
going so well because I even just the energy in
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your voice when you talk about it, nothing can replace that.
It's such a great feeling. So I just really hope
that continues. So how can we help support, you know,
as a teammate, how can I help to support and
hopefully keep this energy and keep it going. Yeah, that's
a great question. I think just to remind me of
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this moment of like just feeling great, but also just
to remind me to stay present. If I can just
focus on today's work out, the specific rep that I'm doing,
you know, like take it once up at a time,
that's when I perform my best. Just remind me to
stay present with every little thing that I'm doing, and
I think I'll be good. It's an easy one. I
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will remind you of this conversation. If you're having those
inevitable libs and flows and being like, hey, remember when
it felt like that and you just got to hang
on that that feeling will return. So yeah, it's awesome
and we want to hear as well the listeners how
you're doing, so please do reach out on socials, cheer
us on, give us any of your top tips and
advice to help us on our journey, but also let
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us know how you're progressing too, So if you want
to reach out, you can find me on Twitter and
Instagram at at Adrian under School l d N. Yeah,
we want all of your tips, so please send them
to us and you can find me on Instagram at
TAM's Going Ham and on Twitter at Tamera Pridget. That's
it for this week's episode, but don't forget to join
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us next week when boxer trainer and under Armour athlete
Monica Jones joins us to talk about strength training. Until
next time, stay tuned in, stay motivated, and don't forget
to sweat the details by everybody. If you liked what
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you heard on the show, subscribe for free or follow
the show on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast,
or wherever you listen, and don't forget to leave five
star rating and review. So What the Details is a
collaboration with under Armour and I Heart Radio. Our show
is hosted by me Tamera Pridget and me Adrian Herbert.
Our executive producers are Jess schrip Stein, Chaselle, Luis Archibald
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and Molly Sosia. Our supervise in producer is Maya Coole.
Our producers are Ellen Kaplan and Kelly an tol. Our
assistant producers are Natalia Tamayo and Bella Walco, and our
sound editor and engineer is Sarah gibel Laka. Keep up
with the latest news and women's fitness by following under
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Armour Women on Instagram at under Armour Women
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