November 1, 2023 • 40 mins
Welcome to Unbreakable! A mental health podcast hosted by Fox NFL Insider Jay Glazer. On today’s episode, Jay sits down with the "pirate" of the cellular world Dr. James Utley, the man who is responsible for making Jay 100% nerve pain free. This former Navy Scientist traded in his lab coat to chart the unexplored waters of the stem cell revolution and he's making waves and a difference in the world every single day.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast
helping you out of the gray and into the blue.
Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer.
I'm Jay Glazier, and I am so excited for my
guest today and you will be as well for everybody
who was walking the walk with me in my stem
cell journey. And I know a lot of people have questions,
and I said, you know what, I'm not the doctor.
I'm not the one who did it. So let me
bring the doctor on who did it so we could
really answer a lot of your questions. And I really
(00:37):
want to have my experience share with so many people
through the lens of the doctor who did it for
me and it's changed my life. But before I get
to him, if you're like many people, you may be
surprised to learn that one in five adults in this
country experienced mental illness last year. Get far too many
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(00:59):
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Carolin behavioral health raising the quality of life through empathy
and action. Right, So with that, I want to welcome
in somebody who I'm incredibly grateful for from origins in
(01:20):
Panama City, Panama, Doctor James Utley. How are you, Doc?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I'm doing well. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Now you guy asked me the same question, Yeah, how
are you?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
How are you doing?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
I've been falling along and being just super stoked to
see the progress that.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
You've made, and man, it's just been amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So I went down for everybody who doesn't know the story.
I was a week away from a back fusion. I
have ruptured my L four L five five times, L
one L two four times. I've herniated C two three
four five from all these years of wrestling and boxing
and fighting and being an idiot with my friends.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Back then we used to spar and train. We just
didn't know anybody.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
In fact, man, way back in the day we got
knocked out in practice, we just pulled you over the side.
Wait if you could get good and you just came
back the next day. Or if we ruptured something, we
just pulled out a whole bunch of meds that we
probably shouldn't have had, and just got back. And I
mean I remember one time popping my neck and I
had a fight coming up, and whole room took out
what they had and I took a time release morphine
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and went right back about forty five minutes later once
that thing started releasing.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
So I've beaten up with my body so incredibly bad.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I've had two ankle surgeries that or an ankle surgery
from two brakes that I woke up during the surgery
and the surgery probably probably shouldn't have had. I've dislocated
my elbow, I've toured my labor on my right shoulder.
I've torn both rotator cuffs postpurs off both shoulders, torn
a bicepth torn a calf, broke my nose seven times.
Other than that, I'm a modelis stability. I went down
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to Origins. It was a hellmery for me. I was
supposed to get a fusion on my L five, which
the doctor then said would be two more fusions up
as well, L one, L two, and then T to
was the T seven doctor one. Yeah right, And I mean, folks,
I was I knew this day would catch up to me,
you know, I was always hoping modern medicine. Every time
I put my body through something, I was always hoping
(03:10):
that modern medicine would once one day catch up. And
quite frankly, it has not in America, but it has overseas.
And that origin you.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Even aggravated the injury just there to yeah, the day up.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And I remember because I was like, oh my goodness,
because we had to spend you know, the month's prepper,
you know, preparing, trying to you know, make sure that
we have the output of the cells, et cetera. And
then you aggravate the injury. And I was like, oh good.
So I start, you know, doing the science math and see, okay,
hopefully we can achieve the therapey of the game we
were expecting, et cetera. But you know, all I could
do is offer my truest product to you, and I
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think that.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
The rest is history.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
No, all right, so let's now again. I don't know,
I'm trying to figure out. I mean, I'm so excited
to see it because I haven't seen you since panel.
I'm trying to figure out the order I want to
go here. But let me just tell you, folks, as
Doc is saying, aggravated my back the morning of tying
my shoes. That's it. I was in such bad shape
and that's why a doctor here in California wanted me
(04:08):
to get a fusion. Already, there is no disc left
in my L four L five, So I've had bone
on bone and it's just nerve and the nerve pain
is debilitating, and for somebody like me with mental health issues,
that the pain leads more to your mental health issues.
It prevention from sleeping, and it just makes me cranky
all the time. It's just a it's a horrible existence.
(04:29):
So it had repopped that morning. I was not able
to stand straight up at all. I think I came
into your place about forty five degrees.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Right, yeah, and I was like, oh no.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, and one leg was working better than the other.
Since I've gotten this procedure, Gang, I am one hundred
percent nerve pain free. Now I want you to hear
this one hundred percent. I'm not fifty percent or seventy
five percent. I have had zero nerve pain since I
got this procedure done. And we're going to get into
(05:02):
what that procedure is. But not only that I went
down from my back, but I told you, I tore
the labor on my shoulder and the dock just cut
it out and didn't really reattach it. So I've not
been able to really bench press and do push ups
for a little while. I'm back to doing bench press
and push ups, and then I just realized last week
my years of ankle pain from this boxed ankle surgery
I should never should have gotten that is finally started
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to subside. I just didn't realize it until literally the
other day when I was sparring with someone and I
was able to rotate off my foot and throw a
kick with that leg, which I haven't been able to
do for years. So I want people to understand this.
I'm not coming on here saying that I am somewhat better.
I am one hundred percent nerve pain free. And right
after I left Panama, I had to go on my
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NFL training camp tour, which meant I had to go
on thirty planes and sleep in twenty five hotel room beds,
and it just and stand on bad turf and bad
fields and it wasn't conducive to somebody with a blown
out back. And I'm still nerve pain free. So let's
backtrack it here. Sure, let's go into you know, there's
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a couple of things I want to hit with you.
So let's here's the add one thing it didn't cure
is my ADHD.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Both, so we're gonna we'll have a good conversation.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So I want to go into what these stem cells are,
while they're different in America. I also want to go
into the procedure you did for me, procedure did for
my friend Elliot Ruiz, who you have completely changed his
life with. He has multiple sclerosis and he's had eighteen
surgeries from getting injured in war saving American POWs for
the Marines. So I think you did a little bit
(06:40):
different for him than you did from you. You did
something additionally. But let's go into the science first.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, yeah, sure, Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
The floor is yours. My add my ADHD is gonna
get put in a corner over here. The floor is yours.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Okay, no, Rob, Yeah, we always start with like you know,
so of course we provide messen kyml stem cell therapy,
which is are harvested from umbilical cords. Uh, you know
kind of the first question always is like what is
a mezen chymal stem cell? Right, So mesin chinmal it's
a multipotent stem cell that really can differentiate or meaning
turn into three different you know, it's a bone, fat, cartilage,
(07:12):
and then I guess arguable some muscle miocytes. Now, so
that's that's what it does.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
But the real magic and they regenerate those Yeah, that's.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
What they become that identity, right, Yeah, and they're they're
found throughout your body and know normally as your adult
stem cell.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Right, but of course these are the ones that we
harvest from.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So you're getting like, so the difference too, like I'm
getting day zero, yeah, right, as opposed to so in
America they try and tell you it's the same here,
they're just taking my stems. Yeah, is that correct?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Time I want my stem cells, I mean making it.
I don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Yeah, that's a there as oult as you. I mean,
the procedures here and you know, it's arguable on the
dose and a lot of the research maybe doesn't support that,
and people probably argue it, but it's you know, it's
a harvested from you mostly common from fat using a
vascular fraction, which means there's only a small percentage of
the total volume that's taken in terms of fat, and
then the sum cells are harvested. There's not really the characterization,
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of course, there's no culture expansion. That's what makes kind
of everything different. Then it's not from you know, it's
not from warns jelly, which are the like a really
rich source of mezen chymal probably arguably the most rich
source of mezenchymal stem cells, because you know, they're they're
they exist to you know, help rear a child in
in births. So that's kind of the uh yeah, so
the last the last thing I.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Want is my own stem cells. I'm way too fucked up.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
That's something that's already in my body, reproduced more stuff.
It's the last thing I want, all right, So let's
get back there. So mesl kymo stem cells there, How
do you guys get the stem cells?
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Okay, So it all starts with the gracious donation of
somebody that's.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
You know, having giving birth. So we we have.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
A recruitment program which we recruit these mothers and these
are you know, panamanium mothers you know, or they're you know,
from the region. So we screen them. So we go
through all the rigors of screening that's infectious disease and
make sure they're healthy, all that stuff, and then they
donate their cords under informed consent, which is the same
way that any tissue is donated here in the United States.
So there's no incentive to these, there's just pure voluntary donation.
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So at that point, you know, we kind of sure
my friends.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
When my friends have babies here in America, they are
offered if they want to keep their their important blood.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Yeah, cord blood, yea, they want, Yeah, bank cord blood,
which has really four or five indications here in the US,
and it's really.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Hard to get that that cord blood out and you
pay a lot of maintenance fees exceetly.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
So so my friends just had a baby, they decided, yes,
we're going to keep it, and they charge a lot
of money to keep it, and then they charge a
lot a lot of money to store it over the years,
but they don't know what to do with it eventually.
That's so that what we would do with it is
what you guys do in Panama.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Yeah, we don't use the we don't use the blood.
So we used the tissue from the warts and jelly
to harvest MSD. So the cord blood, they have a
hamatopoetic progender cell, which is you know, and they can
harvest those and you know, and that's really what the
what the cord blood banking is for here in the
US now, it's you have to be able to tell
the future to know what when you're going to use
(10:05):
that cored you know, and and how science is advancing.
So like in my personal opinion, you know, some of
those banked chords, you know, where science is going to
kind of outpace, uh, the need for those chords at
some at some juncture.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
But you know, probably others will argue that.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
But my question is my friends who say no, we
don't want to do it, that's where you're getting. Yeah,
so those parents who say no, we don't we don't
want to pay for this, we don't want it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
So yeah, so we receive the cord. We'll receive the
whole cord.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Now, they could still have the option to bank the
cord blood if they wanted to, because we're taking the
actual tissue, harvesting the cells from the tissue. So there's
still there's still those there's still that option. Because we're
looking for one specific cell which is you know, the
the granddaddy, in my opinion, the granddaddy of them all
in terms of what we do. Yeah, they're it's a
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brilliant cell. So we receive that tissue, know, and there's
an origins doctor there that is there. We use you know,
cesarean baby you know, c section mothers and we take
the cord, so it's really kind of a section and
then the doctor, you know, origins doctor brings it over
to the lab, which is also you know, you saw
it's a beautiful lab. There we do the gross dissection,
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meaning we harvest the Wharton's jelly from the cord, and
we provided an environment where we uh, you know, we
give it cell food and the mesenchymals kind of disassociate
from the tissue. They move into an environment and that's
kind of where all the culturing activity starts at the laboratory.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So you're basically pulling stuff out of it. You're not
putting anything yet.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
No, it's all it's all pure biology. We're just taking
this pure cell, this great cell, and we're trying to
remove it from the tissue so then we can we
can we can expand it because all it knows how
to do is double right double, and and so then
we just we just use it for uh and then
we you know, culture it, and then we provide it
in the dose and you know many other things. But
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that's the whole essence is get that, get that magic
sell out.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, and there's a couple of things. I've had doctors
here in the States say, well, I want to find
out before I talk to you guys, what else they
put in that?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
And I said, doc, I don't think they're putting anything
in then yeah, that stuff out.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
That's kind of like my main point, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
So like the whole part of origins, you know, started
way before we were in Panama. There was still a
lot of research activities on my own independent lab, and
we're looking for you know, probably a year and a
half because we want to it's pure biology. You want
to keep it as natural as possible. So even on
our harvest, you know, like for this this part of
the disassociation of the mesenchymal into our environment, we don't
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use enzymatic process. It's really just a natural We provide
a cell food and then we kind of wait for
normal biology to happen.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
It's nothing more than that.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
So the process just for people know they took my
blood the first day. Yeah, and then and then are
you taking my blood to see if it matches?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
No, no matching. We take their blood there just to screen,
to make sure that you know you're in a you
have a good environment. Us to then provide you the
self that there's not an outlier that maybe you're aware
of or we're not aware of.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
And so we do that. It's just kind of a
screening mechanism.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
You guys put me through a strong screening to see
if I'm a candidate. And I have come to you
with other friends of mine and you know, one particularly
had cancer, and you guys said, nope, it's not a
good math for not we don't want to just take
take people's business. We want to make sins can help.
So I liked I really liked that because then I
am Look, I have had so many people over the
years that promised me false hope but ended up being
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false hope, and it drives me insane. And I've had
a lot of people over the years just take my
money and I look back now saying they knew this
thing wasn't gonna work, and they took my money anyway.
So I love that you guys have turned down people
that I have recommended, not just want to take their money,
but instead of wanting to help.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Yeah, it's really that's kind of the basis of it.
You know, I don't I don't sit here as the
chief scientific officer. I'm just a guy trying to help people.
That's ultimately what it comes down, and provide access and
we turn it. We actually, you know, there's a lot
of people that you know, unfortunately they're just not good
candidates because there's some risk factor et cetera that's it
just not worth it, or we don't have Everything we
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do is evidence based, so if there's no evidence that
supports it, it's it falls too experimental, and I just
you know, we kind of try to work the biomechanics
of it, but it usually so we do that, and
we do the same thing with the cords as well.
Some of them that are donated they kind of double
slow and everything like that, and we just discard them
because we really want the most quality control and the
quality product is really important because you know, it has
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to translate to great outcomes.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
You know, we want people to get better.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
So now the process dang, which surprised me.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Also they do a little I guess pre have there, right,
you kind of get my body just ready. They did
is they did a It took me about twenty minute
for an ivy. It's just so it's an IV gang.
It's not they're not injecting into your areas. They gave
me an IV I did three days of IV's. Each
ivy took about a half hour. That was it. And
so this kind of blew people's minds because and I
(15:00):
went down from my back and I was saying to you, well,
how are you going to put it in my vein
in my arm and it's going to help my back explain.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Yeah, So that's really the you know, so we look
at it systemically, right, and it all starts, is it
all starts before you know, we did those treatment enhancements, right,
which really one it preps your body, preps the battlefield,
if you will, prep your body, gets you in the
right mindset.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
And then with for the ivs, right, so these cells.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
They have a homing or a targeting mechanism so they
know where to go. And so that's the part about
the ivs. Now, we think about it a little differently
at origins, meaning I think some other stem cell labs
or clinics or they think about you know, patient and
then just the gain. What are we going to get
in terms of the game. So we think about it
as you as the patient. Then we think about your
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immune system, and then we think about the game and
what that means is like through IV therapy is we
prime you know, we prime your body your immune system.
We kind of introduce the cells into your body so
your immune system goes, okay, hey these are good, these
are immune privileged cells. They're here to help, you know,
and it kind of shifts it from a prone flammatory
environment to an anti inflammatory environment. And then when we
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go with those local procedures, like you know we did
for you, that we have a better game because we
don't have this like localized inflammation. And that's stuff that
we're researching and studying every day on, you know, because
we would consider j one of these super responders and
so we try to find those, you know, the phenotype
or the type of person that really responds.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Right. But that is our.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Protocol we have in the IVY and the local it
just really it seems to be I mean, it is
the best by.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Far, But how does the cells know where to go.
So it went to the three areas in my body
that obviously with the I guess the most damage you're injured,
How did they know where to go?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yeah, so they kind of like circulate, you know, so
we you know, again we were prepping you. So they
can kind of go through all your basketball network and
they just look for sites of inflammation through cell to
cell signaling. So these these celts just look for signals
and then they go to the they go to the spot.
And that's kind of the you know, oversimplified explanation on.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
How that works. But the research, uh, you know, so
they have research that you know. They they'll tag these
and then they look in a specific area.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
There's one study around the use of them and interveniously
and then the knee and they found presence of the
chondrocites meeting the ones that they did priby therapy in
the knee. So I mean, we we know from the evidence,
we know from of course our patient base that that
is that is what they do.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
The other thing too, is you guys told me you
take about two weeks to six months to start working. Yeah,
but the second day I get out of bed and
my beautiful fiance. Rosie says, oh my god, look at you.
I said what she said, you're five to seven Again
you're standing straight up like how well? Like I'm like, oh,
it couldn't work that fast, Like it can't be. And
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but ever since then, I've been I've been her pain free. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
What's causality on that one? You think?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah, so now again you know, so the other origin
s docks.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
You know, I'll refer to that as a phenomenon, right,
So we know that that happens, right because we based
on we kind of based on some standard literature in
terms of therapeutic cycle or you know, how well you're
gonna get better in what time frame? Now this is
my this is my opinion, and it can probably be argued.
But you know our lab our, beautiful lab compliant lab
sits right there, right, So when you arrive, we don't
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start the process of really want, you know, bringing the
cells out of cryoud preservation, washing them, bathing them, getting
them nice and warm and really bioactive until you're there, right,
So we have that you know, that dance down. So
by the time you get your dose, these are the
most you know, I've already done the viability on the microscope,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
You're the dose is really viable, it's bioactive.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
So then when it goes into you, right, you can
only infer that you know that uh, you know, therapeutic
gain is going to be you know, yeah, and that's uh,
you know, that's you know, and we we've we learned
this over some you know, the year of research.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
But that's my that's my opinion.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
We study it every day and and of course I'm biased,
but I don't know it for a fact, but I
know it's so.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
It's not normal that somebody would feel better in the
next there two days later.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Now it's actually not in that's uh. So we try
to keep all our standard, our process nice and standard.
And then you, as the patient, your response is really
how that you know, how you mix you know how
the how the cells and your body harmonize.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Really and I go into things thinking they're not going
to work, because I've had so many people don't work.
Give me false hope, yeah right, you know that, right, Yeah,
I come down, folks, I'm an asshole because I'm tired
of of false hope. I'm just tired of it. I've
had thirty five different antidepressant and anti anxiety medications that
have told me they're going to work, and none have.
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I've had different sleep aids that people promised for work
and do not. And I've had different so many different things,
so many different recovery and rehab things, and they don't.
And drive it's demoralizing because you get so a lot
of people can sell you and they get you so
excited that finally things are going to subside, and they don't.
And not only do they not as a result of
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I don't want to say the rug getting pulled out
from under me, but it not happening, it puts me
in a worse position. So I go down right and
I am like, y'all going to really prove something to me.
So that second day, right, and that second day, I
was like, maybe it's man, maybe it's just the placebo effect.
And every day I started and it started getting better
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and better and better, to the point I came back
home and I think like three days after, I was
doing squats and you guys all call it saying what
do you do? Like, don't do that? I said, well, man,
I haven't been paying free and so long. I want
to jump back in at doing something probably not the
brightest thing, right.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
I know, I was like, oh no, you know, I
was like wow, we said, don't go so hard so quick,
and it's like, oh, there he is, yeah after it, Yeah,
keep him down.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
But so my friend Elliott Ruiz, who I sent down
a marine hero again, he had multiple sclerosis.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
He was not able to move his foot for years.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
He drags his foot and a weekend he told me
his foot's not dragging, and is that so?
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Is that because it regenerated the nerve.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
In his ankle.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
It's really hard to say the mechanism on that. It's
we would still consider that an off target effect because
we weren't expecting that, honestly. But the you know, I
think him you know, receiving the therapy then continuing his
active lifestyle and you know, really you know, as the
cells are in his body, you know, had the right
frame frame of mind, you know, and really, hump, it
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was just an outcome. And we're you know, I'm personally
very thankful to be able to treat him, you know,
to provide him the cell product from our lab, and
you know, we continue to watch these patients and follow
up because it's it's really kind of a blessing.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Actually tell me some of the greatest benefits of Messa
Como Stone Sill.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Yeah, yeah, it's really you know, it's it's really between
two things, right. It's the secreteum of what the cells secrete.
It's immune modultory, so it kind of calms your immune system, right.
I think just generally we don't you know, especially with
ortho injuries, we don't really like look at you know,
what kind of impact an immune response or an autoimmune
response or something like that really has on that. And
that's just my own opinion. And then the anti inflammatory,
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So it's those two things, right that really kind of
changes the dynamic of you. And then if you're an active,
healthy individual you know, and I tell you know, we
often talk about this in our position group, is you know,
the the gains that you're going to receive because the
cells are providing environment that's better. You know that it's
anti inflammatory, that's helping you become more active. Then hey,
(22:40):
that's you know, you keep those gains. So after the
cells die off, you know, in that six month time
period and they quit doing what they're doing, you're still
going to keep those strength.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Gains, you know, and that's that's really kind of the
magic mind.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
So they're working for you though for six months in
your body.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Yeah, they're regenerating, they're signaling other cells in the environment.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
With anti inflammatory fact obviously, what are some of the
like I said, my friend have multiple sclerosis, it's helped him.
I've was getting back fusion. It's helped me and helped
me with three different areas. What are some of the
proven diseases or conditions that you guys know this works for.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Yeah, so I mean both of those, like the muscle
skeletal injury. Of course, you know, this is a frontier
right and it's kind of weird that we think about it.
You know, you you and I are on the we're
on the outs, on the outer edge, right, yeah, we are.
I mean, but the reality of this has been studied
for decades, thirty years or more, you know, in different
and some pockets of you know, like meaning the cardiology,
(23:36):
the cardiac you know, there's a lot of research there.
You know, it's just it just it just hasn't outside
of clinical trials, you know, just it's not widely available
for clinical application, which is actually Travesky.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
So in terms of regenita of medicine.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
These ortho injuries, you know, osteothritis seems to be a
really primary indication. The ortho injuries, they seem to be
really high.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Is as far as just your as an injury like yeah,
like a torn achilles or a torn hamstering, were injured
knee or an injured shoulder like or.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
My back injuries or ruptures things like that.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Right exactly.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
That's uh, yeah, there really and breaks right, yeah, it's
h and that's that's really the uh, those are kind
of really primary applications, you know, the autoimmune side of things.
We there's a lot of researchers coming out in you know,
in MS. There's a you know, opportunities for you know,
incorporating this as a standard of care, you know, and
I think that all of these, all these should be
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incorporated as as a standard of care or at least
a patient be aware. And then we've uh, you know,
colleague of mine at Origins, you know, he has a
history of with autism and so we've been doing uh,
you know, we've.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Been researching that and in that realm there.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
So I think those are those are really uh three
kind of highlights, you know, and but we we look
at these case by case because we know that there's
the the on target and the off target effects, so
we you know, we try to take every patient as
a case by case and we kind of look at
them holistically. And then we look at the literature and
we have a consensus group in which we decide, okay, well,
what's what kind of expected therapy to gain is publishing
(25:04):
the literature, what have we seen at our clinic, et cetera,
et cetera, and then go from there.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
When I was down there, I had a friend call
and he said, hey, can you ask the doc about
this condition. I'd never heard it was a nerve condition,
And again I asked, you guys. You guys looked it up,
and it turned out the Cleveland Clinic had just published
their findings the day before that this meso commas stem
cells completely cures this new condition, which was like, it's like,
(25:34):
it was so ironic. The studies came out the day
before and this was from the Cleveland clinic.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Yeah, it's it's really wild, and it speaks to the
fact that that the industry it's really so fragmented, like
if we was if we you know, I mean, of
course I worked in a large healthcare organization and sell
therapies for.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
You know, lots of years. You know, if we were
more harmonized.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
That's here in the States and the globally, you know,
we could really provide you know, some some beneficial research
and acts us to patients, et cetera. But it's just
really fragmented right now.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
And you guys are located in JOHNS. Hopkins University Hospital
down there in Panama City.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
You have been with them, right, yeah, I mean I'm
a Hopkins alum. They the hospital that is right next
to us.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
That's a Pacific salute.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
There are Hopkins affiliate right so one of they're the
best hospital there in Panama City, and we're you know,
our clinic is right next next to them, and so yeah,
that's the uh and that's where we kind of have,
you know, we have harmony there, I guess.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
So let me ask you, what, why is this not
available in America?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, it's really kind of Is it available in every
country but America?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
No?
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I guess the thought process is that Panama's like kind
of wide open in terms of the use of Fells
celluo therapist. But believe it or not, they aren't, you know,
they have most certainly regulations that we have to you know,
they have to.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Be followed, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Now Here in the US, it's really around, you know,
kind of oversimplified, is around minimally manipulated and then more
than minimally manipulated.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
So it's like those two terms, right, So.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
What the FDA, you know, as says, outside of a trial,
if you're doing something that's more than minimally manipulated, which
would be culture expanding ourselves into a dose, right, then
I guess it's not found in nature, is one way
that I've been explained. Then it is, you know, that
has considered more than minimally manipulated.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
So therefore you're.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Only able to use it if you go through all
the investigation new drug or the biological license agreement, you know,
the regulatory framework. So that's really kind of a hard
stop there. But it also gives rise to here in
the States, you know, this ad of post stem cells
and these stem cell clinics that pop up here and there,
which the yeah, the FATS, which the FDA goes to
(27:42):
great lengths to make sure that they are really have
an adversarial kind of outlook with those folks, and they
warn warned patients, warned patients, and unfortunately that translates to
you know, people like us that are you know, we're
operating in Panama. We operate by all the US regulars
as continuous good manufacturing practice.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
We have it.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
You know, we'll seeking creditation with a DEEM status, which
means a federal organization here in the US to come out.
You know, we're open. You know, we have isolab all
the certification stuff. We brought people from the you know,
from the US to Panama so we you know, everything
is nice and transparence. As you know, the lab is
fully glassed so you can see everything that's happening at
(28:23):
any time.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
It's stunned. I couldn't believe it. I was stunned when
I walk in. I thought I was in like this
futuristic place from the minority reporter, there's incredible. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
So that's the whole thing is if there's one thing
that we want to do is we want to make
sure that everyone has access to this therapy. You know,
and I had mentioned that it being a standard of care.
So if you're kind of in that, if you're a
patient that's in that, like should I get surgery or
not kind of question, you know, or that or you know,
like if you're not aware of this, you know, this
may be a therapy that's right for you. You know,
(28:54):
and the minimum, at the basic you should at least
be aware, you know, the body autonomy is important thing,
you know.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Look, I'm trying to tell NFL teams about it all
the time too, because it's like if you're I don't
know if you guys want to put your price out
there or not, or if you want it out or not.
But I'm telling teams man, for this price, if you're
going to lose a guy for there was a team
I talked to they were gonna lose a guy for
eight weeks with the broken wrist.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
They sent him down to another place and he missed
three weeks.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
So if it's just gonna cut down one game, you
might as well send somebody down. And by the way, folks,
the whole thing I was down there. It was a
three day process for us. We decided to stay five
days because Rosie and I just loved Panama City so much.
We didn't know what to expect and we loved, Oh yeah,
what a hidden gem. Oh my god, the old city
looks like New Orleans. The new city looks like a
(29:41):
newer Miami and it's very safe and Origins provides us
with a car constantly, a concierge constantly. We had two
of the best restaurant experiences we've ever had in our
entire lives. The hotel you put us up at is ridiculous,
Like there's like seven pools and fifteen restaurants and oh
my god, it was. It was such a it was
(30:04):
it just blew my mind. So we ended up staying extra.
But that's where like for these teams, like, man, if
you could you have all this investment in these players
and yeah, then missing one game, could you know, mean
the difference of you winning or losing.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
It's just so worth it. Yeah, I totally agree. I
totally agree.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
And that's the we We we look at that and
we research that in terms of both in the lab
and then we look at the patients and you know,
in devo like how it up and we just you know,
if we can reduce that time that you know that
you know through the regenitive properties of mesic coms, so
we can reduce that, you know, enhance that you get
in that anti inflammatory state, you know, enhance that recovery.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
You know. That makes perfect sense to me, and we'll
continue to do that.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
People ask, do you guys want to say the price
over here? Would you rather people just reach.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I actually don't know the press, you know, Now that's
the whole thing, you know. I give credit.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I give credit to the team about you know, the
whole cultural experience and the whole you know, because they
do a great job of that. Me, you know, I'm
kind of just I just work here. At the price,
I just work here too.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, it's pricey, but for me, it's invaluable for what
I got ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
But also I think it's like triple overseas in Europe.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Then, oh yeah, from what I've heard from the different prices,
and there's places like Columbia and Mexico, and I wouldn't
want to go to some of the other places I've
heard about, but this place was so safe and just
like I said, we extended our trip by two days
because we loved it so much. I've been asked this
a lot when I go around, and I didn't know
the answer to it. People said, hey, do you have
to go back and do it again?
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yeah, it kind of depends I think it's a real
fair assessment to say that annually, right, you should kind
of assess it annually. Now what that means is again,
it's like if you had the treatment, then you kind
of rehabbed, right, and then you're keeping those games and
you just feel like, hey, you know what, I'm happy
healthy quality of life has improved. And it kind of
(31:56):
depends on where you're at, then maybe maintenance isn't right
for you. But if you're you know, especially the anti
aging or those folks that are you know, it seems
that they're looking to prolong you know, they're prolonging their
quality of life.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
And you know, so it seems that it's fair every year.
So what does it do.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
What does it do for anti aging?
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Well, it's uh, so we call it an anti aging
or an anti frailty protocol.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
And it's those that.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
You know, they kind of have this like nagging, non
specific pain, you know, just from being you know, older,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
And it's really the IVY therapy.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
It's really been shown to you know, you know, the heart,
the lungs and uh and those So it's uh and
I guess there's some evidence of skin, there's some you
know some therapy that way. So these just kind of
use it to you know, there, if you're an active
older person you want to continue working, we hear that
a lot.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
If you want to you know, have a fruit full life.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
You know, you're turning back the hands of time.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yeah, that's really I do know a lot of people
who go down over and over for this to turn
back the hands of time. And they look fantastic. Yeah,
I said, they look they look great.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
So again, the one I did was the IVS three days, right,
views you did inject exosomes into my back where the
cute injury was.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yeah, how's that different?
Speaker 5 (33:10):
How are the exomes different than the stem cells?
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:13):
So exosomes, you know, as I keep mentioning the sacrinum
of the cells, right, the sucrenium of the M S C.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
That is wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
wait wait wait. I went to pace College. I got
kicked out of my first college and we went to
PACEE College and barely went to class.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Yeah, give give it to me more Layman's terms.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yeah, hopkins ter.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Yeah, the what the cells secrete are actually exosomes, right,
so we so we use we can think of it
as cells as you know, a delivery vehicle or you know,
and then the exosomes are you know, the good stuff
that when we squeeze them, it's the good stuff.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
So we use, uh, we use the technique to you know,
I guess, stress the cells or provide.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Them to you know, squeeze, squeeze the juice out, and
then we harvest that that juice there, which is exosomes.
And so they're they're an acellular product I meaning they
don't they're not a cell. And then we provide them
in the tissue, which means that they're they're fast acting.
They get and that's why we have to kind of
get them local because they don't have that you know,
homing or targeting aspect.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
So they're just they're just the goodness of the juice.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
And that's that's really what ex zomes are, and it's
how cells will signal to each other. And but that's
that's really it.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
And then when Elliott went down, you guys also did
with a nebulizer.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, we used to nebulize exosomes because the exosomes.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Are you know, really really really really small, and so
we we want to uh, you know, use it to
cross the blood brain barrier and so we you know this,
there's some literature published on that treatment and so we
brain as in so.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
If you can put in a nebulizer, it can go
and affect your brain for people like me depressing anxiety.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah, I think for.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Yeah, so the so we use an application for autoimmune
of course, and then for autism we had success with
using nebulized exisomes.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah, well there's a I mean it's a matter of
Inkerman and of course still being research and stuff. But
I would say that if you have some you know,
if you have something positive happening to you, then we're
going to continue to follow it.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
And we have to get enough patience to make sure
that we can solidify that.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
But I think they if you would probably ask the parents,
they would probably be quite happy.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Really. Yeah, that's that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, so we're we continue to research that. You know,
we'll continue to look at that.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
But yeah, nebulized exisomes, you know, and again you know Elliott,
he you know, he elected for that, and we were
did all of our homework prior to so hey, everybody,
we'll do it.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
He had traumatic brain injury. Is that why he has
to do that?
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Yeah, And I think it's part of the we looked at.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
It is a treat you know, treatment option for MS
multiple Yeah, for the other physicians.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
He's so happy. Man. He said he has no ancle
pane foot moving and not dragging his I think he
said he's like ninety five percent back pain free. He's
sleeping throughout the night, which he hasn't done. But he's
picking his daughter up.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Now. Yeah, that part, that part got me and made
me emotionally. You know, I'm a parent myself. And he
messaged me like directly and told me, you know, and.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I just still I'm just really really grateful, you know,
like that's that's why I'm here.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I'm here for those moments, you know, and that's that's. Uh.
I am eternally grateful for him, for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So I was down there with an NFL player who
i'd known, and I lost talk with him, and he
told me that when he was done playing from his
head injuries and and you know, different things, Uh, he
suffered really bad migraines and the migraines turned to seizures. Yeah,
and he said five hours after his first IV is
the last seizure or migraine.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
He's hat Oh, amazing.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah, low my mind. Right, and he was down there
with me this time because he was getting his shoulders done.
And same thing he said he left.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
It was that day his shoulders we were paying free.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
When again, you guys, tell us and take two weeks
to six months.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
We got we got to be conservative, you know, we
have to be conservative.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
What's the what give me? Give me an example of
somebody that you that came down that made you so
either blew your mind or just like, oh my god,
this one really made me happy.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah, I think uh there way, we had an older gentleman, right,
and uh, I spent a lot of time with him,
maybe two hours, and he went over a lot of
things that you know, one had you know, happened to
him because of his disease condition, et cetera. And you know,
we provided our standard protocol and you know, and I've
just kept in touch and and uh it's really been
(37:38):
kind of fruitful that you know, and every patient that
you know provides us feedback. You know, I'm very grateful for.
But you know, there's some that you connect with. You know,
you can see your you can see your own family,
and that's how I always approach it, even with you,
you know, I mean everyone everyone is, uh is somebody's father, brother, son,
et cetera. You know, and uh we we always you know,
(37:59):
we look at everything like it was you know, it
was our own family for sure.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Man. Well, I can't be more grateful for what you
guys have done for me. Folks, this happened.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
I can be more grateful for you. Jay, You're you're
out here on the periphery with me, you know, like
where this is. This is the educate people. Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
And I really you're an advocate and I'm I am
you know, really I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Well, Listen, I was, like I said, I was a
week away from a final fusion, and now I don't
need it. And I am man anytime I can get where,
I could stand straight up, and I have nerve paying
and my hips are working again, am I. I'm able
to turn over my punches and I and I could sleep.
It's just man, it's just changed my life. So I
really really appreciate what you guys done. Like and I
(38:43):
was going in there expecting it not to work. I
thought that you can be full of shit like everything else,
and it has changed my life. I am nerve pain free.
So people, if for for everybody out there, go to
origin So it's au R A ge n S. What
is it origins dot com or dot com?
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Yeah, that's right, okay, Origins.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Dot com or go to their Instagram page.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
It's I think it's the Origins, right, yeah, Origins at
the Origins A U R A g e n S. Doc,
I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. I
do plan to come down again with Rosie in January
because she didn't get the treatments. So now we're gonna
get her the treatments in January, and I'm gonna I'm
gonna load up again more. I might as well, but
(39:27):
you know, hopefully I won't have another injury to deal with.
I'm just gonna keep doing I loved it. Yeah. Now
I'm doing good. I'm training fully, everything's great, and I
just can't I can't thank you enough for what you've
done for me and for you know, a hero in
Elliott Ruiz. I can't thank you enough, Doc.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
I've been following along, you know, and even I've had
a day where I was like really overwhelmed and ever
and then I just I was following you on Instagram
and I see that you're getting after it, you know,
I was like, Okay, now it's time to get back
to work.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
We're doing good work here, so I'm I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Doc. Thank you so much. Brothers, my guy doctor jams
Utley from the orig Gents down in Panama City again
look them up origins dot com. Thank you for walking
this walk together with me, Doc, and now I'm able
to walk the walk upright.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
My pleasure? Perfect?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
All right, dog God bless you
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Speaker 3 (01:24):
I'm doing well. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Now you guy asked me the same question, Yeah, how
are you?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
How are you doing?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
I've been falling along and being just super stoked to
see the progress that.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
You've made, and man, it's just been amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So I went down for everybody who doesn't know the story.
I was a week away from a back fusion. I
have ruptured my L four L five five times, L
one L two four times. I've herniated C two three
four five from all these years of wrestling and boxing
and fighting and being an idiot with my friends.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Back then we used to spar and train. We just
didn't know anybody.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
In fact, man, way back in the day we got
knocked out in practice, we just pulled you over the side.
Wait if you could get good and you just came
back the next day. Or if we ruptured something, we
just pulled out a whole bunch of meds that we
probably shouldn't have had, and just got back. And I
mean I remember one time popping my neck and I
had a fight coming up, and whole room took out
what they had and I took a time release morphine
(02:19):
and went right back about forty five minutes later once
that thing started releasing.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
So I've beaten up with my body so incredibly bad.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I've had two ankle surgeries that or an ankle surgery
from two brakes that I woke up during the surgery
and the surgery probably probably shouldn't have had. I've dislocated
my elbow, I've toured my labor on my right shoulder.
I've torn both rotator cuffs postpurs off both shoulders, torn
a bicepth torn a calf, broke my nose seven times.
Other than that, I'm a modelis stability. I went down
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to Origins. It was a hellmery for me. I was
supposed to get a fusion on my L five, which
the doctor then said would be two more fusions up
as well, L one, L two, and then T to
was the T seven doctor one. Yeah right, And I mean, folks,
I was I knew this day would catch up to me,
you know, I was always hoping modern medicine. Every time
I put my body through something, I was always hoping
(03:10):
that modern medicine would once one day catch up. And
quite frankly, it has not in America, but it has overseas.
And that origin you.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Even aggravated the injury just there to yeah, the day up.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And I remember because I was like, oh my goodness,
because we had to spend you know, the month's prepper,
you know, preparing, trying to you know, make sure that
we have the output of the cells, et cetera. And
then you aggravate the injury. And I was like, oh good.
So I start, you know, doing the science math and see, okay,
hopefully we can achieve the therapey of the game we
were expecting, et cetera. But you know, all I could
do is offer my truest product to you, and I
(03:47):
think that.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
The rest is history.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
No, all right, so let's now again. I don't know,
I'm trying to figure out. I mean, I'm so excited
to see it because I haven't seen you since panel.
I'm trying to figure out the order I want to
go here. But let me just tell you, folks, as
Doc is saying, aggravated my back the morning of tying
my shoes. That's it. I was in such bad shape
and that's why a doctor here in California wanted me
(04:08):
to get a fusion. Already, there is no disc left
in my L four L five, So I've had bone
on bone and it's just nerve and the nerve pain
is debilitating, and for somebody like me with mental health issues,
that the pain leads more to your mental health issues.
It prevention from sleeping, and it just makes me cranky
all the time. It's just a it's a horrible existence.
(04:29):
So it had repopped that morning. I was not able
to stand straight up at all. I think I came
into your place about forty five degrees.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Right, yeah, and I was like, oh no.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, and one leg was working better than the other.
Since I've gotten this procedure, Gang, I am one hundred
percent nerve pain free. Now I want you to hear
this one hundred percent. I'm not fifty percent or seventy
five percent. I have had zero nerve pain since I
got this procedure done. And we're going to get into
(05:02):
what that procedure is. But not only that I went
down from my back, but I told you, I tore
the labor on my shoulder and the dock just cut
it out and didn't really reattach it. So I've not
been able to really bench press and do push ups
for a little while. I'm back to doing bench press
and push ups, and then I just realized last week
my years of ankle pain from this boxed ankle surgery
I should never should have gotten that is finally started
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to subside. I just didn't realize it until literally the
other day when I was sparring with someone and I
was able to rotate off my foot and throw a
kick with that leg, which I haven't been able to
do for years. So I want people to understand this.
I'm not coming on here saying that I am somewhat better.
I am one hundred percent nerve pain free. And right
after I left Panama, I had to go on my
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NFL training camp tour, which meant I had to go
on thirty planes and sleep in twenty five hotel room beds,
and it just and stand on bad turf and bad
fields and it wasn't conducive to somebody with a blown
out back. And I'm still nerve pain free. So let's
backtrack it here. Sure, let's go into you know, there's
(06:09):
a couple of things I want to hit with you.
So let's here's the add one thing it didn't cure
is my ADHD.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Both, so we're gonna we'll have a good conversation.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So I want to go into what these stem cells are,
while they're different in America. I also want to go
into the procedure you did for me, procedure did for
my friend Elliot Ruiz, who you have completely changed his
life with. He has multiple sclerosis and he's had eighteen
surgeries from getting injured in war saving American POWs for
the Marines. So I think you did a little bit
(06:40):
different for him than you did from you. You did
something additionally. But let's go into the science first.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, yeah, sure, Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
The floor is yours. My add my ADHD is gonna
get put in a corner over here. The floor is yours.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Okay, no, Rob, Yeah, we always start with like you know,
so of course we provide messen kyml stem cell therapy,
which is are harvested from umbilical cords. Uh, you know
kind of the first question always is like what is
a mezen chymal stem cell? Right, So mesin chinmal it's
a multipotent stem cell that really can differentiate or meaning
turn into three different you know, it's a bone, fat, cartilage,
(07:12):
and then I guess arguable some muscle miocytes. Now, so
that's that's what it does.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
But the real magic and they regenerate those Yeah, that's.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
What they become that identity, right, Yeah, and they're they're
found throughout your body and know normally as your adult
stem cell.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Right, but of course these are the ones that we
harvest from.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So you're getting like, so the difference too, like I'm
getting day zero, yeah, right, as opposed to so in
America they try and tell you it's the same here,
they're just taking my stems. Yeah, is that correct?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Time I want my stem cells, I mean making it.
I don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Yeah, that's a there as oult as you. I mean,
the procedures here and you know, it's arguable on the
dose and a lot of the research maybe doesn't support that,
and people probably argue it, but it's you know, it's
a harvested from you mostly common from fat using a
vascular fraction, which means there's only a small percentage of
the total volume that's taken in terms of fat, and
then the sum cells are harvested. There's not really the characterization,
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of course, there's no culture expansion. That's what makes kind
of everything different. Then it's not from you know, it's
not from warns jelly, which are the like a really
rich source of mezen chymal probably arguably the most rich
source of mezenchymal stem cells, because you know, they're they're
they exist to you know, help rear a child in
in births. So that's kind of the uh yeah, so
the last the last thing I.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Want is my own stem cells. I'm way too fucked up.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
That's something that's already in my body, reproduced more stuff.
It's the last thing I want, all right, So let's
get back there. So mesl kymo stem cells there, How
do you guys get the stem cells?
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Okay, So it all starts with the gracious donation of
somebody that's.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
You know, having giving birth. So we we have.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
A recruitment program which we recruit these mothers and these
are you know, panamanium mothers you know, or they're you know,
from the region. So we screen them. So we go
through all the rigors of screening that's infectious disease and
make sure they're healthy, all that stuff, and then they
donate their cords under informed consent, which is the same
way that any tissue is donated here in the United States.
So there's no incentive to these, there's just pure voluntary donation.
(09:06):
So at that point, you know, we kind of sure
my friends.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
When my friends have babies here in America, they are
offered if they want to keep their their important blood.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Yeah, cord blood, yea, they want, Yeah, bank cord blood,
which has really four or five indications here in the US,
and it's really.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Hard to get that that cord blood out and you
pay a lot of maintenance fees exceetly.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
So so my friends just had a baby, they decided, yes,
we're going to keep it, and they charge a lot
of money to keep it, and then they charge a
lot a lot of money to store it over the years,
but they don't know what to do with it eventually.
That's so that what we would do with it is
what you guys do in Panama.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Yeah, we don't use the we don't use the blood.
So we used the tissue from the warts and jelly
to harvest MSD. So the cord blood, they have a
hamatopoetic progender cell, which is you know, and they can
harvest those and you know, and that's really what the
what the cord blood banking is for here in the
US now, it's you have to be able to tell
the future to know what when you're going to use
(10:05):
that cored you know, and and how science is advancing.
So like in my personal opinion, you know, some of
those banked chords, you know, where science is going to
kind of outpace, uh, the need for those chords at
some at some juncture.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
But you know, probably others will argue that.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
But my question is my friends who say no, we
don't want to do it, that's where you're getting. Yeah,
so those parents who say no, we don't we don't
want to pay for this, we don't want it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
So yeah, so we receive the cord. We'll receive the
whole cord.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Now, they could still have the option to bank the
cord blood if they wanted to, because we're taking the
actual tissue, harvesting the cells from the tissue. So there's
still there's still those there's still that option. Because we're
looking for one specific cell which is you know, the
the granddaddy, in my opinion, the granddaddy of them all
in terms of what we do. Yeah, they're it's a
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brilliant cell. So we receive that tissue, know, and there's
an origins doctor there that is there. We use you know,
cesarean baby you know, c section mothers and we take
the cord, so it's really kind of a section and
then the doctor, you know, origins doctor brings it over
to the lab, which is also you know, you saw
it's a beautiful lab. There we do the gross dissection,
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meaning we harvest the Wharton's jelly from the cord, and
we provided an environment where we uh, you know, we
give it cell food and the mesenchymals kind of disassociate
from the tissue. They move into an environment and that's
kind of where all the culturing activity starts at the laboratory.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So you're basically pulling stuff out of it. You're not
putting anything yet.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
No, it's all it's all pure biology. We're just taking
this pure cell, this great cell, and we're trying to
remove it from the tissue so then we can we
can we can expand it because all it knows how
to do is double right double, and and so then
we just we just use it for uh and then
we you know, culture it, and then we provide it
in the dose and you know many other things. But
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that's the whole essence is get that, get that magic
sell out.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, and there's a couple of things. I've had doctors
here in the States say, well, I want to find
out before I talk to you guys, what else they
put in that?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
And I said, doc, I don't think they're putting anything
in then yeah, that stuff out.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
That's kind of like my main point, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
So like the whole part of origins, you know, started
way before we were in Panama. There was still a
lot of research activities on my own independent lab, and
we're looking for you know, probably a year and a
half because we want to it's pure biology. You want
to keep it as natural as possible. So even on
our harvest, you know, like for this this part of
the disassociation of the mesenchymal into our environment, we don't
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use enzymatic process. It's really just a natural We provide
a cell food and then we kind of wait for
normal biology to happen.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
It's nothing more than that.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
So the process just for people know they took my
blood the first day. Yeah, and then and then are
you taking my blood to see if it matches?
Speaker 4 (12:52):
No, no matching. We take their blood there just to screen,
to make sure that you know you're in a you
have a good environment. Us to then provide you the
self that there's not an outlier that maybe you're aware
of or we're not aware of.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
And so we do that. It's just kind of a
screening mechanism.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
You guys put me through a strong screening to see
if I'm a candidate. And I have come to you
with other friends of mine and you know, one particularly
had cancer, and you guys said, nope, it's not a
good math for not we don't want to just take
take people's business. We want to make sins can help.
So I liked I really liked that because then I
am Look, I have had so many people over the
years that promised me false hope but ended up being
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false hope, and it drives me insane. And I've had
a lot of people over the years just take my
money and I look back now saying they knew this
thing wasn't gonna work, and they took my money anyway.
So I love that you guys have turned down people
that I have recommended, not just want to take their money,
but instead of wanting to help.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Yeah, it's really that's kind of the basis of it.
You know, I don't I don't sit here as the
chief scientific officer. I'm just a guy trying to help people.
That's ultimately what it comes down, and provide access and
we turn it. We actually, you know, there's a lot
of people that you know, unfortunately they're just not good
candidates because there's some risk factor et cetera that's it
just not worth it, or we don't have Everything we
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do is evidence based, so if there's no evidence that
supports it, it's it falls too experimental, and I just
you know, we kind of try to work the biomechanics
of it, but it usually so we do that, and
we do the same thing with the cords as well.
Some of them that are donated they kind of double
slow and everything like that, and we just discard them
because we really want the most quality control and the
quality product is really important because you know, it has
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to translate to great outcomes.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
You know, we want people to get better.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
So now the process dang, which surprised me.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Also they do a little I guess pre have there, right,
you kind of get my body just ready. They did
is they did a It took me about twenty minute
for an ivy. It's just so it's an IV gang.
It's not they're not injecting into your areas. They gave
me an IV I did three days of IV's. Each
ivy took about a half hour. That was it. And
so this kind of blew people's minds because and I
(15:00):
went down from my back and I was saying to you, well,
how are you going to put it in my vein
in my arm and it's going to help my back explain.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Yeah, So that's really the you know, so we look
at it systemically, right, and it all starts, is it
all starts before you know, we did those treatment enhancements, right,
which really one it preps your body, preps the battlefield,
if you will, prep your body, gets you in the
right mindset.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
And then with for the ivs, right, so these cells.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
They have a homing or a targeting mechanism so they
know where to go. And so that's the part about
the ivs. Now, we think about it a little differently
at origins, meaning I think some other stem cell labs
or clinics or they think about you know, patient and
then just the gain. What are we going to get
in terms of the game. So we think about it
as you as the patient. Then we think about your
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immune system, and then we think about the game and
what that means is like through IV therapy is we
prime you know, we prime your body your immune system.
We kind of introduce the cells into your body so
your immune system goes, okay, hey these are good, these
are immune privileged cells. They're here to help, you know,
and it kind of shifts it from a prone flammatory
environment to an anti inflammatory environment. And then when we
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go with those local procedures, like you know we did
for you, that we have a better game because we
don't have this like localized inflammation. And that's stuff that
we're researching and studying every day on, you know, because
we would consider j one of these super responders and
so we try to find those, you know, the phenotype
or the type of person that really responds.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Right. But that is our.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Protocol we have in the IVY and the local it
just really it seems to be I mean, it is
the best by.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Far, But how does the cells know where to go.
So it went to the three areas in my body
that obviously with the I guess the most damage you're injured,
How did they know where to go?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yeah, so they kind of like circulate, you know, so
we you know, again we were prepping you. So they
can kind of go through all your basketball network and
they just look for sites of inflammation through cell to
cell signaling. So these these celts just look for signals
and then they go to the they go to the spot.
And that's kind of the you know, oversimplified explanation on.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
How that works. But the research, uh, you know, so
they have research that you know. They they'll tag these
and then they look in a specific area.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
There's one study around the use of them and interveniously
and then the knee and they found presence of the
chondrocites meeting the ones that they did priby therapy in
the knee. So I mean, we we know from the evidence,
we know from of course our patient base that that
is that is what they do.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
The other thing too, is you guys told me you
take about two weeks to six months to start working. Yeah,
but the second day I get out of bed and
my beautiful fiance. Rosie says, oh my god, look at you.
I said what she said, you're five to seven Again
you're standing straight up like how well? Like I'm like, oh,
it couldn't work that fast, Like it can't be. And
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but ever since then, I've been I've been her pain free. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
What's causality on that one? You think?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah, so now again you know, so the other origin
s docks.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
You know, I'll refer to that as a phenomenon, right,
So we know that that happens, right because we based
on we kind of based on some standard literature in
terms of therapeutic cycle or you know, how well you're
gonna get better in what time frame? Now this is
my this is my opinion, and it can probably be argued.
But you know our lab our, beautiful lab compliant lab
sits right there, right, So when you arrive, we don't
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start the process of really want, you know, bringing the
cells out of cryoud preservation, washing them, bathing them, getting
them nice and warm and really bioactive until you're there, right,
So we have that you know, that dance down. So
by the time you get your dose, these are the
most you know, I've already done the viability on the microscope,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
You're the dose is really viable, it's bioactive.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
So then when it goes into you, right, you can
only infer that you know that uh, you know, therapeutic
gain is going to be you know, yeah, and that's uh,
you know, that's you know, and we we've we learned
this over some you know, the year of research.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
But that's my that's my opinion.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
We study it every day and and of course I'm biased,
but I don't know it for a fact, but I
know it's so.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
It's not normal that somebody would feel better in the
next there two days later.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Now it's actually not in that's uh. So we try
to keep all our standard, our process nice and standard.
And then you, as the patient, your response is really
how that you know, how you mix you know how
the how the cells and your body harmonize.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Really and I go into things thinking they're not going
to work, because I've had so many people don't work.
Give me false hope, yeah right, you know that, right, Yeah,
I come down, folks, I'm an asshole because I'm tired
of of false hope. I'm just tired of it. I've
had thirty five different antidepressant and anti anxiety medications that
have told me they're going to work, and none have.
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I've had different sleep aids that people promised for work
and do not. And I've had different so many different things,
so many different recovery and rehab things, and they don't.
And drive it's demoralizing because you get so a lot
of people can sell you and they get you so
excited that finally things are going to subside, and they don't.
And not only do they not as a result of
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I don't want to say the rug getting pulled out
from under me, but it not happening, it puts me
in a worse position. So I go down right and
I am like, y'all going to really prove something to me.
So that second day, right, and that second day, I
was like, maybe it's man, maybe it's just the placebo effect.
And every day I started and it started getting better
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and better and better, to the point I came back
home and I think like three days after, I was
doing squats and you guys all call it saying what
do you do? Like, don't do that? I said, well, man,
I haven't been paying free and so long. I want
to jump back in at doing something probably not the
brightest thing, right.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
I know, I was like, oh no, you know, I
was like wow, we said, don't go so hard so quick,
and it's like, oh, there he is, yeah after it, Yeah,
keep him down.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
But so my friend Elliott Ruiz, who I sent down
a marine hero again, he had multiple sclerosis.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
He was not able to move his foot for years.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
He drags his foot and a weekend he told me
his foot's not dragging, and is that so?
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Is that because it regenerated the nerve.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
In his ankle.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
It's really hard to say the mechanism on that. It's
we would still consider that an off target effect because
we weren't expecting that, honestly. But the you know, I
think him you know, receiving the therapy then continuing his
active lifestyle and you know, really you know, as the
cells are in his body, you know, had the right
frame frame of mind, you know, and really, hump, it
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was just an outcome. And we're you know, I'm personally
very thankful to be able to treat him, you know,
to provide him the cell product from our lab, and
you know, we continue to watch these patients and follow
up because it's it's really kind of a blessing.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Actually tell me some of the greatest benefits of Messa
Como Stone Sill.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Yeah, yeah, it's really you know, it's it's really between
two things, right. It's the secreteum of what the cells secrete.
It's immune modultory, so it kind of calms your immune system, right.
I think just generally we don't you know, especially with
ortho injuries, we don't really like look at you know,
what kind of impact an immune response or an autoimmune
response or something like that really has on that. And
that's just my own opinion. And then the anti inflammatory,
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So it's those two things, right that really kind of
changes the dynamic of you. And then if you're an active,
healthy individual you know, and I tell you know, we
often talk about this in our position group, is you know,
the the gains that you're going to receive because the
cells are providing environment that's better. You know that it's
anti inflammatory, that's helping you become more active. Then hey,
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that's you know, you keep those gains. So after the
cells die off, you know, in that six month time
period and they quit doing what they're doing, you're still
going to keep those strength.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Gains, you know, and that's that's really kind of the
magic mind.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
So they're working for you though for six months in
your body.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Yeah, they're regenerating, they're signaling other cells in the environment.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
With anti inflammatory fact obviously, what are some of the
like I said, my friend have multiple sclerosis, it's helped him.
I've was getting back fusion. It's helped me and helped
me with three different areas. What are some of the
proven diseases or conditions that you guys know this works for.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Yeah, so I mean both of those, like the muscle
skeletal injury. Of course, you know, this is a frontier
right and it's kind of weird that we think about it.
You know, you you and I are on the we're
on the outs, on the outer edge, right, yeah, we are.
I mean, but the reality of this has been studied
for decades, thirty years or more, you know, in different
and some pockets of you know, like meaning the cardiology,
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the cardiac you know, there's a lot of research there.
You know, it's just it just it just hasn't outside
of clinical trials, you know, just it's not widely available
for clinical application, which is actually Travesky.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
So in terms of regenita of medicine.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
These ortho injuries, you know, osteothritis seems to be a
really primary indication. The ortho injuries, they seem to be
really high.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Is as far as just your as an injury like yeah,
like a torn achilles or a torn hamstering, were injured
knee or an injured shoulder like or.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
My back injuries or ruptures things like that.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Right exactly.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
That's uh, yeah, there really and breaks right, yeah, it's
h and that's that's really the uh, those are kind
of really primary applications, you know, the autoimmune side of things.
We there's a lot of researchers coming out in you know,
in MS. There's a you know, opportunities for you know,
incorporating this as a standard of care, you know, and
I think that all of these, all these should be
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incorporated as as a standard of care or at least
a patient be aware. And then we've uh, you know,
colleague of mine at Origins, you know, he has a
history of with autism and so we've been doing uh,
you know, we've.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Been researching that and in that realm there.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
So I think those are those are really uh three
kind of highlights, you know, and but we we look
at these case by case because we know that there's
the the on target and the off target effects, so
we you know, we try to take every patient as
a case by case and we kind of look at
them holistically. And then we look at the literature and
we have a consensus group in which we decide, okay, well,
what's what kind of expected therapy to gain is publishing
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the literature, what have we seen at our clinic, et cetera,
et cetera, and then go from there.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
When I was down there, I had a friend call
and he said, hey, can you ask the doc about
this condition. I'd never heard it was a nerve condition,
And again I asked, you guys. You guys looked it up,
and it turned out the Cleveland Clinic had just published
their findings the day before that this meso commas stem
cells completely cures this new condition, which was like, it's like,
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it was so ironic. The studies came out the day
before and this was from the Cleveland clinic.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Yeah, it's it's really wild, and it speaks to the
fact that that the industry it's really so fragmented, like
if we was if we you know, I mean, of
course I worked in a large healthcare organization and sell
therapies for.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
You know, lots of years. You know, if we were
more harmonized.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
That's here in the States and the globally, you know,
we could really provide you know, some some beneficial research
and acts us to patients, et cetera. But it's just
really fragmented right now.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
And you guys are located in JOHNS. Hopkins University Hospital
down there in Panama City.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
You have been with them, right, yeah, I mean I'm
a Hopkins alum. They the hospital that is right next
to us.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
That's a Pacific salute.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
There are Hopkins affiliate right so one of they're the
best hospital there in Panama City, and we're you know,
our clinic is right next next to them, and so yeah,
that's the uh and that's where we kind of have,
you know, we have harmony there, I guess.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
So let me ask you, what, why is this not
available in America?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, it's really kind of Is it available in every
country but America?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
No?
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I guess the thought process is that Panama's like kind
of wide open in terms of the use of Fells
celluo therapist. But believe it or not, they aren't, you know,
they have most certainly regulations that we have to you know,
they have to.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Be followed, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Now Here in the US, it's really around, you know,
kind of oversimplified, is around minimally manipulated and then more
than minimally manipulated.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
So it's like those two terms, right, So.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
What the FDA, you know, as says, outside of a trial,
if you're doing something that's more than minimally manipulated, which
would be culture expanding ourselves into a dose, right, then
I guess it's not found in nature, is one way
that I've been explained. Then it is, you know, that
has considered more than minimally manipulated.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
So therefore you're.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Only able to use it if you go through all
the investigation new drug or the biological license agreement, you know,
the regulatory framework. So that's really kind of a hard
stop there. But it also gives rise to here in
the States, you know, this ad of post stem cells
and these stem cell clinics that pop up here and there,
which the yeah, the FATS, which the FDA goes to
(27:42):
great lengths to make sure that they are really have
an adversarial kind of outlook with those folks, and they
warn warned patients, warned patients, and unfortunately that translates to
you know, people like us that are you know, we're
operating in Panama. We operate by all the US regulars
as continuous good manufacturing practice.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
We have it.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
You know, we'll seeking creditation with a DEEM status, which
means a federal organization here in the US to come out.
You know, we're open. You know, we have isolab all
the certification stuff. We brought people from the you know,
from the US to Panama so we you know, everything
is nice and transparence. As you know, the lab is
fully glassed so you can see everything that's happening at
(28:23):
any time.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
It's stunned. I couldn't believe it. I was stunned when
I walk in. I thought I was in like this
futuristic place from the minority reporter, there's incredible. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
So that's the whole thing is if there's one thing
that we want to do is we want to make
sure that everyone has access to this therapy. You know,
and I had mentioned that it being a standard of care.
So if you're kind of in that, if you're a
patient that's in that, like should I get surgery or
not kind of question, you know, or that or you know,
like if you're not aware of this, you know, this
may be a therapy that's right for you. You know,
(28:54):
and the minimum, at the basic you should at least
be aware, you know, the body autonomy is important thing,
you know.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Look, I'm trying to tell NFL teams about it all
the time too, because it's like if you're I don't
know if you guys want to put your price out
there or not, or if you want it out or not.
But I'm telling teams man, for this price, if you're
going to lose a guy for there was a team
I talked to they were gonna lose a guy for
eight weeks with the broken wrist.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
They sent him down to another place and he missed
three weeks.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
So if it's just gonna cut down one game, you
might as well send somebody down. And by the way, folks,
the whole thing I was down there. It was a
three day process for us. We decided to stay five
days because Rosie and I just loved Panama City so much.
We didn't know what to expect and we loved, Oh yeah,
what a hidden gem. Oh my god, the old city
looks like New Orleans. The new city looks like a
(29:41):
newer Miami and it's very safe and Origins provides us
with a car constantly, a concierge constantly. We had two
of the best restaurant experiences we've ever had in our
entire lives. The hotel you put us up at is ridiculous,
Like there's like seven pools and fifteen restaurants and oh
my god, it was. It was such a it was
(30:04):
it just blew my mind. So we ended up staying extra.
But that's where like for these teams, like, man, if
you could you have all this investment in these players
and yeah, then missing one game, could you know, mean
the difference of you winning or losing.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
It's just so worth it. Yeah, I totally agree. I
totally agree.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
And that's the we We we look at that and
we research that in terms of both in the lab
and then we look at the patients and you know,
in devo like how it up and we just you know,
if we can reduce that time that you know that
you know through the regenitive properties of mesic coms, so
we can reduce that, you know, enhance that you get
in that anti inflammatory state, you know, enhance that recovery.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
You know. That makes perfect sense to me, and we'll
continue to do that.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
People ask, do you guys want to say the price
over here? Would you rather people just reach.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
I actually don't know the press, you know, Now that's
the whole thing, you know. I give credit.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I give credit to the team about you know, the
whole cultural experience and the whole you know, because they
do a great job of that. Me, you know, I'm
kind of just I just work here. At the price,
I just work here too.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, it's pricey, but for me, it's invaluable for what
I got ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
But also I think it's like triple overseas in Europe.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Then, oh yeah, from what I've heard from the different prices,
and there's places like Columbia and Mexico, and I wouldn't
want to go to some of the other places I've
heard about, but this place was so safe and just
like I said, we extended our trip by two days
because we loved it so much. I've been asked this
a lot when I go around, and I didn't know
the answer to it. People said, hey, do you have
to go back and do it again?
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yeah, it kind of depends I think it's a real
fair assessment to say that annually, right, you should kind
of assess it annually. Now what that means is again,
it's like if you had the treatment, then you kind
of rehabbed, right, and then you're keeping those games and
you just feel like, hey, you know what, I'm happy
healthy quality of life has improved. And it kind of
(31:56):
depends on where you're at, then maybe maintenance isn't right
for you. But if you're you know, especially the anti
aging or those folks that are you know, it seems
that they're looking to prolong you know, they're prolonging their
quality of life.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
And you know, so it seems that it's fair every year.
So what does it do.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
What does it do for anti aging?
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Well, it's uh, so we call it an anti aging
or an anti frailty protocol.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
And it's those that.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
You know, they kind of have this like nagging, non
specific pain, you know, just from being you know, older,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
And it's really the IVY therapy.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
It's really been shown to you know, you know, the heart,
the lungs and uh and those So it's uh and
I guess there's some evidence of skin, there's some you
know some therapy that way. So these just kind of
use it to you know, there, if you're an active
older person you want to continue working, we hear that
a lot.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
If you want to you know, have a fruit full life.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
You know, you're turning back the hands of time.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yeah, that's really I do know a lot of people
who go down over and over for this to turn
back the hands of time. And they look fantastic. Yeah,
I said, they look they look great.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
So again, the one I did was the IVS three days, right,
views you did inject exosomes into my back where the
cute injury was.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yeah, how's that different?
Speaker 5 (33:10):
How are the exomes different than the stem cells?
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:13):
So exosomes, you know, as I keep mentioning the sacrinum
of the cells, right, the sucrenium of the M S C.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
That is wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
wait wait wait. I went to pace College. I got
kicked out of my first college and we went to
PACEE College and barely went to class.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Yeah, give give it to me more Layman's terms.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yeah, hopkins ter.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Yeah, the what the cells secrete are actually exosomes, right,
so we so we use we can think of it
as cells as you know, a delivery vehicle or you know,
and then the exosomes are you know, the good stuff
that when we squeeze them, it's the good stuff.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
So we use, uh, we use the technique to you know,
I guess, stress the cells or provide.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Them to you know, squeeze, squeeze the juice out, and
then we harvest that that juice there, which is exosomes.
And so they're they're an acellular product I meaning they
don't they're not a cell. And then we provide them
in the tissue, which means that they're they're fast acting.
They get and that's why we have to kind of
get them local because they don't have that you know,
homing or targeting aspect.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
So they're just they're just the goodness of the juice.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
And that's that's really what ex zomes are, and it's
how cells will signal to each other. And but that's
that's really it.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
And then when Elliott went down, you guys also did
with a nebulizer.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, we used to nebulize exosomes because the exosomes.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Are you know, really really really really small, and so
we we want to uh, you know, use it to
cross the blood brain barrier and so we you know this,
there's some literature published on that treatment and so we
brain as in so.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
If you can put in a nebulizer, it can go
and affect your brain for people like me depressing anxiety.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah, I think for.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Yeah, so the so we use an application for autoimmune
of course, and then for autism we had success with
using nebulized exisomes.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah, well there's a I mean it's a matter of
Inkerman and of course still being research and stuff. But
I would say that if you have some you know,
if you have something positive happening to you, then we're
going to continue to follow it.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
And we have to get enough patience to make sure
that we can solidify that.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
But I think they if you would probably ask the parents,
they would probably be quite happy.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Really. Yeah, that's that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, so we're we continue to research that. You know,
we'll continue to look at that.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
But yeah, nebulized exisomes, you know, and again you know Elliott,
he you know, he elected for that, and we were
did all of our homework prior to so hey, everybody,
we'll do it.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
He had traumatic brain injury. Is that why he has
to do that?
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Yeah, And I think it's part of the we looked at.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
It is a treat you know, treatment option for MS
multiple Yeah, for the other physicians.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
He's so happy. Man. He said he has no ancle
pane foot moving and not dragging his I think he
said he's like ninety five percent back pain free. He's
sleeping throughout the night, which he hasn't done. But he's
picking his daughter up.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Now. Yeah, that part, that part got me and made
me emotionally. You know, I'm a parent myself. And he
messaged me like directly and told me, you know, and.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I just still I'm just really really grateful, you know,
like that's that's why I'm here.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
I'm here for those moments, you know, and that's that's. Uh.
I am eternally grateful for him, for sure.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So I was down there with an NFL player who
i'd known, and I lost talk with him, and he
told me that when he was done playing from his
head injuries and and you know, different things, Uh, he
suffered really bad migraines and the migraines turned to seizures. Yeah,
and he said five hours after his first IV is
the last seizure or migraine.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
He's hat Oh, amazing.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah, low my mind. Right, and he was down there
with me this time because he was getting his shoulders done.
And same thing he said he left.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
It was that day his shoulders we were paying free.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
When again, you guys, tell us and take two weeks
to six months.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
We got we got to be conservative, you know, we
have to be conservative.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
What's the what give me? Give me an example of
somebody that you that came down that made you so
either blew your mind or just like, oh my god,
this one really made me happy.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah, I think uh there way, we had an older gentleman, right,
and uh, I spent a lot of time with him,
maybe two hours, and he went over a lot of
things that you know, one had you know, happened to
him because of his disease condition, et cetera. And you know,
we provided our standard protocol and you know, and I've
just kept in touch and and uh it's really been
(37:38):
kind of fruitful that you know, and every patient that
you know provides us feedback. You know, I'm very grateful for.
But you know, there's some that you connect with. You know,
you can see your you can see your own family,
and that's how I always approach it, even with you,
you know, I mean everyone everyone is, uh is somebody's father, brother, son,
et cetera. You know, and uh we we always you know,
(37:59):
we look at everything like it was you know, it
was our own family for sure.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Man. Well, I can't be more grateful for what you
guys have done for me. Folks, this happened.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
I can be more grateful for you. Jay, You're you're
out here on the periphery with me, you know, like
where this is. This is the educate people. Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
And I really you're an advocate and I'm I am
you know, really I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Well, Listen, I was, like I said, I was a
week away from a final fusion, and now I don't
need it. And I am man anytime I can get where,
I could stand straight up, and I have nerve paying
and my hips are working again, am I. I'm able
to turn over my punches and I and I could sleep.
It's just man, it's just changed my life. So I
really really appreciate what you guys done. Like and I
(38:43):
was going in there expecting it not to work. I
thought that you can be full of shit like everything else,
and it has changed my life. I am nerve pain free.
So people, if for for everybody out there, go to
origin So it's au R A ge n S. What
is it origins dot com or dot com?
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Yeah, that's right, okay, Origins.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Dot com or go to their Instagram page.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
It's I think it's the Origins, right, yeah, Origins at
the Origins A U R A g e n S. Doc,
I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. I
do plan to come down again with Rosie in January
because she didn't get the treatments. So now we're gonna
get her the treatments in January, and I'm gonna I'm
gonna load up again more. I might as well, but
(39:27):
you know, hopefully I won't have another injury to deal with.
I'm just gonna keep doing I loved it. Yeah. Now
I'm doing good. I'm training fully, everything's great, and I
just can't I can't thank you enough for what you've
done for me and for you know, a hero in
Elliott Ruiz. I can't thank you enough, Doc.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
I've been following along, you know, and even I've had
a day where I was like really overwhelmed and ever
and then I just I was following you on Instagram
and I see that you're getting after it, you know,
I was like, Okay, now it's time to get back
to work.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
We're doing good work here, so I'm I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Doc. Thank you so much. Brothers, my guy doctor jams
Utley from the orig Gents down in Panama City again
look them up origins dot com. Thank you for walking
this walk together with me, Doc, and now I'm able
to walk the walk upright.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
My pleasure? Perfect?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
All right, dog God bless you
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