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December 28, 2023 43 mins

Bienvenidos a Unpacking the Toolbox where Guillermo gives Katie a Spanish lesson, and Katie shares more about her life and kids while trying to record. Nothing can stop Katie and G from chatting about this episode -- Not now and not while they were shooting the show. Our resident hacker Huck explains what Thorngate is and how Scandal always seemed to mirror real life. This episode also marks the first time we see Huck's toolbox, and Mellie Grant's famous "Get over her!" speech. Get ready to take a drink (of Whiskey) every time Guillermo finds which horror movie a guest star appeared in. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Unpacking the tool Box is a production of shondal And
Audio in partnership with Higheart Radio. Katie. I was just

gonna say, I learned how to say it in Spanish. Uh,
the same candlement. That's how you say unpacking the toolbox.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Okay, take me through that slowly.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
What this in bacando in bacandle lacaha laca the eramienti
the same candle.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Oh God, doesn't that sound so sexy? Geezmo just speaks
me in Espanol.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
We've talked about this, We've tried and to lasted for
like not even a minute. I don't know what you're saying.
I'm just a.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Dumb actor that only speaks English. Okay, we're starting this
podcast today. At the time of this recording, everyone's dropping
like flies between flu cold RSV, which is like a
kid cough that's a nightmare, and running rampant right now.
Hand free mouth is a real big one in the
nursery schools. It's where they get really weird bumps and

ship on their penis, but in their mouths. It's insane.
It's like I was going to segue into talking about
all the different measures we used to take to not
get sick on Scandal. Both my kids last night got
positive blue tests. You can keep that in the podcast.
You can keep that like I'm dying. Can you hear

her screaming? Okay, if you're a come in for one second.
This is just gonna have This podcast is gonna be
amazing today. Hey, look, say hi, we're just doing work here.
We're talking about Scandal. You want more yogurt? Yeah, I
want to go ask your dad for that now.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Butot you ask your dad who's laying on the couch
scratching his balls.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Okay, bye bye, I love you both, Okay, bye bye.
Any of these shows that do you know, eighteen to
twenty two episodes, nine day episodes, you're shooting at the
least fourteen hours a day, like we barely ever did
twelve hour days. I feel like, oh yeah, there is
no option of getting sick.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
You can't get sick.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, I mean I have full faith that Mary Howard,
our line producer, could have made the show go post
COVID world. But like you know, we used to show
up sick to work.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
The tardless yees like oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I mean Carrie could not fall down and she had
two little ones in the later seasons of Scandal, who like,
as soon as your kids start going to nursery school,
you're fucked. Like it's just like every other day is diarrhea, vomiting,
l it's like whatever. And I remember her getting like

either the flu or close to the flu, like a
million times over, and I just was running around set
passing out. Yeah, every homeopathic.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Potions and shit they used to. Once they sent a
doctor to my house to do like a house call
because I had like a fever and I was in
the middle of shooting oh yeah, and she gave me
like that Z pack and some like shots or some shit,
because like you said, we just couldn't get sick that
you know, not showing up wasn't an option. We couldn't
be like can't come in today, like I'm you.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Know those Scandal days where like your wellness and well
being was everybody else's responsibility to so you could just
like text Harry Howard to be like I think, yeah,
you have to send a doctor to my house to
get busy pack. It's like now that we're regular mortals
walking around the planet, we have to figure out how
to get our own damn prescriptions. Yes, So when you

hear me and g in this episode just clearing our
throats a lot and sucking on our own snot.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Oh my god, that's so funny.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
This is one of the most chock full episodes I
think we have ever done to date.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yes, yes, but it's such a fun episode. Like I
remember having so much fun shooting this particular episode.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
This episode two oh three is what we're talking about today, people.
It is called Hunting Season. It aired on October eighteenth,
in twenty twelve. It was written by Matt Byrne, again
one of the go to Scala writers who also wrote
Uninventing Anna. It was directed by Ron Underwood.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Do you remember run Underway?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yes, he did a great job, he really did.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Do you remember Katie At one point, I think when
we wrapped her in the of shooting, Columbus picked him
up and, like you, shuffled him around because he's a
little guy. I love little guy. I'm a little guy too.
But I remember Columbus just grabbing him and lifting him
up in the air and Ron was like, boy, what's happening.
He was so uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
I feel like Ron was like five six, Yeah, he's
he's adorable. He's like adorable looking, so he gives off
the vibe of like someone you just sort of want
to pick up and harry around in your pocket.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
And Ron also directed Tremors, which is a really old
school famous horror film.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
You know, me and my horror Yo, Guillermo. We got
to start a drinking game that involves the scandal Rewatch
podcast and like horror backstory. Yes, okay. Guest stars on
this episode are incredible. We've got Norm Lewis's Senator Edison Davis,
Greg Henry's Hollis Doyle, Brenda Song as Alyssa, Brian Letcher
as Tom Tony Westmorland is how Wendy Davis is? Can really?

Mitchell Stephen W. Bailey is Noah Elliott, Patrick Fischler is
already Hornbacher Hello, and Anne Cusack Holy shit do they
look alike?

Speaker 1 (06:05):

Speaker 2 (06:06):
The q Sack as one of the three. I think
there's three of them. We're going to get into that
leader as NSA director Corinne Stark, Yes, okay, okay, I'll
start synopy sis. Tensions are running high Olivia Popen associates
due to questions about Quinn's background, and when an NSA
analyst already Hornbacker drops the bombshell, claiming that the government
is using a new technology called thorn Gate to spy
on its citizens. Olivia's caught off guard with how far

up this scandal goes and distracted by her problems with
Fitz at the White House, Cyrus has to try and
keep Fits calm and collected. When Olivia's former flamed Senator
Edison Davis shows up. Melly is happy that things are
going good with her and Fits now until she learns
that he had Olivia brought to him, so she threatens Fits. Meanwhile,
David Rosen, with the help of his former assistant, dig
deeper into his conspiracy theory about how he lost his
case against Quinn and what Olivia's involvement might be.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Oh yeah, that's what's up. That was good, Wayne O, Megusta, Muccoesposo.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Me, boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
What you don't mean again, slut?

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I'm gonna call you that from now on. I should
know what is wrong with me? Okay yo, let's get
into this episode. So much happens. God, it's solid, It's
just so solid. And we've got the introduction of the
one and only Norm Lewis Yes as Senator Edison Davis.
Like you are your you have your horror stuff, and

every single guest star and director that come on that
that was a horror person. But when Norm Lewis, King
of Musical Theaters on is Olivia Pope's ex boyfriend, I
shit myself. Then I called Adam, who was also my husband,
a big musical theater nerd. I have watched norm Lewis.
I mean Norm Lewis was the first black Phantom of
the opera. He was in the twenty fifth anniversary concert

of les Mis. Yeah, you're welcome, everybody I saw in
Porgy in Best shondaland Family. Audra McDonald, yea, he is incredible.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
He was a Miss Site Gone, he was in Miss
Chicago dream Girls. Yeah, yeah, yeah, guys.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
This guy is a musical theater icon. His voice is
that of a gift from Angels.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
I think he even sang to us, Katie. I remember
being on set and he sang to us, do you
remember that?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah? What did he say?

Speaker 1 (08:25):
I don't remember. I just remember it sort of happening.
I don't even remember who was there.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Let them hear you. I think he said. Did he
sing God on High? Did he sing a song from Oh?
I do remember every Wow? Thank God, you have a
good memory, Giarma, because I do remember the entire cast
and crew all coming into Olivia Popan associates around the
conference table because Norm was like, yeah, sing you guys
a little something. Oh he's so good. And I feel

like in the beginning this top part of Scandal where
the episode opens and he's like, on our fake news channel,
which is called b NC. Yeah, yea are fake news
network station on Scandal was called BNC, and Edison is
on and he's talking about how the president's fucking up
and he's doing a bad job, and this is all
the things Edison things he should do because he's a

powerful senator. Olivia calls him and is like, dude, you're
wearing pin stripes. No one can even hear what you're
saying when your shirt is doing a weird jumpy thing on.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
The camera is moving back and forth.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
It is a real thing.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Oh yeah, I watch I Love Lucy and back in
the day they used to wear pinstripes. I remember those
episodes and being so annoyed because I was like, you know,
their clothing is moving, it's so distracting.

Speaker 2 (09:36):

Speaker 1 (09:36):
So it's funny that you know that he wore that
like in modern times now.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
And then we kind of learned that they've like we're like, wait,
what is this relationship? Who is this new guy? There's
obviously history there there. Yeah, so we get the case
of the week, which is this ringer of an actor
playing already horn or Bucker by Patrick Fischler, And holy shit,

is this one hell of a guest star and one
hell of a performance. And if someone's gonna get an
Emmy for a guest star performance, the fact that this
dude was not nominated as a cruy Yo.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Talk about fitting in right away, this little fucker. I
remember walking in seeing him standing on that on our
conference table at OPA and just being like, this dude
is so freaking good. He just fit right in and
had that scandal past down.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
He was just his steaks were so stay.

Speaker 1 (10:29):

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Now, I wrote it in my notes when I was
rewatching this episode. So like, you know, we're all back
at OPA. Quinn's out of living at Olivia's apartment, she's
out of jail. Everyone's being a bitch to her, mostly
fucking abby. Like Dwayne walks in. She's back with like,
hey guys, I'm back at work, Like will you take
me back? I totally let go with the Lindsay Dwyer identity,

and I am Quinn Perkins and here's your coffee. And
Harrison is like, hey, welcome back and gives me like
a lovely Harrison kiss on the cheek, and Abby's like, yeah,
welcome back, Lindsey, such a bitch. And then we walk
into the office and at heart, Alarty, like you said,
is standing on the table. Was that his choice or
was that written in the script?

Speaker 1 (11:08):
I don't remember. Whatever it was, it was brilliant, just
that image of him just standing on the table, fidgeting
with the like fixture above, you know, because he's freaking
out about shit being bugged. Yeah. I don't remember whose
idea that was so good though, so good. Maybe it
was Ron's idea.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Ron Underwood was little baby Bubby Ron.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
He said, get up on that table.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
But I love his performance. We all walk in and
he starts talking about this thing called Thorngate, which is
some insane intelligence shit. How would you even describe this
shack or gearmo?

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, yeah, they're spying on citizens. It's not even like
you know, like world leaders or potential like terrorists or
people that you feel like the government would be spying
on just to you know, watch their backs. Iorngate. They're
literally spying on just your common man or woman. They're
spying on them. And this this dude, Yeah, he brings

in this external drive right and plugs it in, and
then we see I think the first person that we
see Thorngate like alive and working was with uh with Cyrus. Right.
We see Cyrus in the White House. Yeah, and he's
chatting about the President. He's talking to Hollis Doyle.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I think this is when we first learned that Cyrus's
middle name is Cyrus Rutherford Bean. Because it's up on
your computer, and this is a fun fact, like you
know already's like okay, pick anybody, pick anybody. I swear it,
like right now, like thorn Gate is alive and well,
right now, say anybody's name. We can fucking queue into
them right now and see where they're at. And she's like, fine,
Cyrus Rutherford Bean, Oh my god, Rutherford. I don't. I

did not do a deep dive on where that could
possibly come from.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
But I did not either, Okay I did not.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Either, maybe someday, but throwing it to Cyrus Rutherford Bean
as we bring as Opa breaks to the case to
figure out about thorn Gate and what we do about it.
This song on the background is at the car wash
Uh yeah, hush yeah, which I know for a fucking
fact that that is Jeff Perry's favorite song of all time.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
You gotta be kidding me. Oh my god. Just the
fact that that's Jeff Perry's favorite song has made my
freaking day, My rainy, rainy, gloomy day is brightened it up?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
What to be that once and he was like, I
don't know if it was while watching this episode and
like writing down scandal tweets, but in my memory, hard
Wash is Jeff Perry's favorite song of all fucking time.
Oh my picture him driving around.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Doing the shuffle down to that song. Oh my god,
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
That's It's a great background song for all of us.
And we're doing all our due diligence to figure out
about thorn Gate and who knows about it and all
this crap, and Olivia screams at all of us to
get already out.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
And the reason why Olivia freaks out and orders us
all to get alarty to a safe place is because
she has a meeting with Karinda and a say director,
and Karin doesn't blink an eye when Olivia brings up Thorngate,
and that sort of puts up a red flag for
for Olivia, and she's like, oh shit, something's up. This
woman is trying to cover something up, and can we
just talk really quickly. The woman that plays.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Director Krin Anne freaking Csack. Anne Csack, who is I
don't know what sibling line she's in with?

Speaker 1 (14:38):

Speaker 2 (14:38):
John and Joan and Joan they're another one, let me go.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
I know there might be they might not be an
actor though.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Okay, there's Joan Cusack obviously, so fucking famous, so amazing.
There's John Cusack. Oh so they both get names that
start with Jay, and poor ass. Anne gets just like,
what the hell? There only Anne and Joan and John
and John?

Speaker 1 (15:03):
I love it?

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, yeah, and they're from Evanston, Illinois.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Really quickly and Cusack so wonderful in this role. But
also she's been in movies like Stigmata, which is another
amazing horror film with Patricia Arquette. She was in The
Bird Cage. But the one film that she's in which
she is just heartbreaking and stellar in it is a
league of their own. She's in a League of their own.

She plays Shirley Baker, the one baseball player, the left
fielder who in the beginning of the film when they
put up, you know, the lists of the women that
made it on the team, and she makes it, but
she can't read, so she can't find her name. And
it's the most heart wrenching scene in that movie. It's
so beautiful and she's so lovely in that scene and

so emotional, and Gina Davis.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Davis takes Anne Cusack to the side and is like, honey,
can you like not read it? Yeah, I don't know,
And then she goes to, let's go find your name together.
They take her little finger and they like scroll it
down the list that's been put up on the wall.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
And then she tells hers you made it, you made it. Oh, yes,
so good. Yes, me too, me too. Shout out to Cusack,
We love.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Shout out to Cusack, We love. Fucking superstar Okay. Brenda
Song is another guest star who's incredible. She plays Alyssa,
David Rosen's assistant. But she comes in to David's apartment
and sort of sees that he's in his underwear, which
I seen Josh Bleine in his underwear is like hilarious.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
I wish they were like tidy whities, though, you know,
they were like boxers, so it looks like shorts. I
kind of wish they were like tidy whities, because that'd
be fine.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
It would have been so funny.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
With like a little sting on the front and the back.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
And like like cartoons, like tweety birds or something.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Stupid like under rus remember Underroos.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yes, like under Ruths. But she comes in and she
sees that David Rose is in his entire like beautiful
mind ass wall of crazy, and the two of them
spend the whole episode sort of really getting to the
bottom of how Quinn Perkins got off so easily from
the case that like ruined his entire life.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
She's a black belt in taekwondo. Who knew? Can you
believe that? Yeah? And then of course she was like
most people know her because she was in the Sweet
Life of Zach and Cody.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yeah, And I remember sitting next to her in the
hair and makeup trailer when she would come to work.
I think a lot of actors, when they start off
as like kid actors on the Disney Show, they're all
sort of like panicked about you know, how am I
gonna transition out of this? I'm a real actor, like
I want to work in other ways. And then some
even like kind of can rebel and be like, look,

how not Disney I am.

Speaker 1 (17:45):

Speaker 2 (17:45):
So Brenda has a shit load of tattoos. I'm talking
like in between everything, oh yeah, in between every single
finger she has a tattoo, Like in between each finger
on her fingers. She has tattoos. And I remember sitting
next to her in the Hair and Nagle trailer and
she had to get.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Them all covered covered up like.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Every day because they're on her hands. Like it's something
if you have a lot of tattoos on your body
but you wear clothes on the show like whatever. But
they were on her actual fucking hands. And I remember
her saying something to the extent of like, you know,
I was on a Disney show. And then I like
did my phase of like I'm not a goodie two shoe,
like I'm not a Disney kid.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
I'm not that she got tatted up. She was like
I'm gonna get tatted up.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Oh okay. So Brenda's song and mccullay culkin are getting
married after four years of dating. No, so she's getting
married to mccullay culkin.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Well, how like now as we speak, like this is
present day, they're about to get married.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, what I really like that?

Speaker 1 (18:42):

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Oh. On January twenty sixth, people reported that mccullay Culkin
and Brenda's Song are engaged the adorable couple who welcome
their first child No back in April twenty twenty one.
Ye have most of their relationship pretty private since they
started dating in two thousand and seven.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Wow, that's a really good Like, Oh, they kept their
shit incognito. Yup, like nobody knew. I didn't know about that.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, those are two and those are some child stars. Man.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Oh yeah, Brenda, you were the best on our freaking show.
Brenda's one of the guest stars that did come back
a few times on our show, right yep?

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, yeah, so good, Go get a snack and we'll
be right back. Okay, what is your next sections of
this episode? G that you were like, this is the shit?

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah, well, I wanted to talk really quickly about the
safe house where we shot the fate. In the safe
house where we take Auradie Hornbocker, it's like hucks, like
the first time we see like Hucks, like you know,
super like private, out of the way like safe house
where we take our clients sometimes, and it was so
much fun shooting there. It was always so much fun
going and shooting on location because it felt like we

just all had so much fun. We were like little
kids when we got to leave the opia set right.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
That safe house was not on a stage.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
No, it might have been on it might have been
on a stage, but it wasn't at Sunset Gower, So
it was somewhere else is my mind. That's what I remember.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
But god, I do remember shooting it and it was
so cool, like so basically this is an underground, sub
level fucking thing that Olivia Popen Associates owns that you
sort of it's Hucks Place or something.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, but I think it's Hucks Place. I think it's
I feel like Hucks had this spot for a minute,
you know what I mean, But he was homeless for
a while, so possibly, oh Pa Olivia paid for it
and you know, to create it and to have it.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
But I do remember it being so cool and like
they would always like add smoke to it, maybe like
just so that the lighting always looked like kind of
eerie and sort of like underground and like it's not
so clear and it's really dark and dingy. But yeah,
it was very cool. It was very very cool.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, it was super fun shooting down there.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
So Alreaty is at the safe house, Quinn and Hawk
are there watching him. Hawk is under like mad stress
to like break into thorn Gate and like copy it
or some shit. I don't know what hacking crap you're doing.
You're doing something.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well they when they first pop in
that external drive that already brings to OPA, it sort
of fizzles out and a firewall goes up, and now
Huck has to break into that firewall so we have
evidence to be able then to go to the authorities
and be like, look this thorn Gate is happening and

it's fucked up. Here's the evidence. So that's what Hawk
is trying to do, and you know, yeah, like you said,
he's super stressed because it's you know, it's extremely difficult.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Look at you, firewall with that fucking terminology.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Big words, fire firewall.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
I'm so into it. I haven't said firewall since we
shot Scandal. That's her damn sure. And my favorite scene
of this episode, it skipping a little ahead is Fits
is so pissed because they've gotten picks. He's gotten picks
that Edison and Olivia are talking again. He is not

happy about it, and so he summons Olivia. At five
o'clock in the morning. The Secret Service shows up and
they say, get in the fucking car and they take
him her all the way out to the woods somewhere
where Fitz is hunting. The scene, you know, which is
for the title the episode Hunting Season is the Hottest, best, angriest,
most amazing, where like Fits like puts her on a

rock and takes off her high heels, puts her in boots,
is like lacing him up all aggressively, and they're looking
at each other with like longing and sadness and anger,
and it's so complicated, and the two of them are
so good. And he's got a gun and she's like,
give me a gun, and he's like, no, I have
a gun. And they're marching through the woods and she's
following him and they're yelling at each other.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah, and it's just so cood. It's so good. And
before she gets out of the car, she's sitting in
the car like I'm not getting out. Who do you
think you are summoning me to wherever you are? Yeah,
and he says get out of the car.

Speaker 2 (23:08):

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Eddie's like, yeah, so loud, Oh my god. But it
was so sexy, like you said, it was so hot.
And I think the reason, like I was thinking about it,
I was like, Olivia wouldn't put up with that shit.
But I think the reason she finds it so hot
is she's like, oh, look at fits being all tough
and shit. She's like, I will fuck you up, motherfucker.
You go ahead and be dominant all you want, and
it's hot and I'm gonna kiss you later and make out.

But at the same time, I'm gonna fuck you up
if you go if you overstep, do you know what
I mean? Like, I feel that vibe from her, like
she's the ball. She's like okay, she like go ahead
and yell at me.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
She's also like, fuck, I have to like figure out
this thorn Gate ship.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, there's so many.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Moving don't And he's like, don't you dare fucking look
into fucking thorn Gate, Like you are fucking with national
fucking security and you're being a trader to your country
and she's like, you're fucking spying on people and you're
a dick. And he's like, and you're going to your
ex boyfriend and she's like, you know about my fuck
ex boyfriend. And then without waiting too long, praise be
they're making up against a fucking tree.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Next thing, you know, on the Quickness, they're just making
out on the track and like.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Tom and Hall and the Secret Service just like turn
their back. Yes, it's so awkward and uncomfortable and hot
and wonder.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
It made me think, like you imagine all the shit
that goes down like with presidents, right, like the shit
like there's there's got to be moments where presidents are like,
I don't give a fuck, this is what I'm doing,
Like that scene when Fits wants to leave the White House.
I forget what episode it was in, and he's just like,
I need to get out and do what I want
to do, just for you know, an hour or two.
But it makes you think, Matt, all the shit that

those Secret Service guys must see and women right.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yep, oh, I just wrote crazy Walk and Talk in
the damn Woods.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
But and also this is where Olivia reveals to Fits
that they know about the late night phone calls to
the White House, right, and that's sort of what stops
him to and he's like, wait a minute, like I
knew about Thorngate, but I didn't know these motherfuckers were
spying on me too, you know what I mean. Which
we later find out that it's Cyrus right who sort
of is using that shit and.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
The fucking Rutherford. Yeah, so he stops when he finds out, like,
oh shit, they know about my personal shit boyfriend with
all the details from Fits. Fits is so jealous, so
so so so so jealous. That's what this is about,
I think. And they make out against a tree and
they're going so hard, and the Secret Service turn their
back and Olivia says, I am not yours. I don't

show what places because you want me, I am not yours.
This is over?

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, so good? How many times has it been over? Olivia? Goddamn?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Oh well, this is just the beginning of this. This
is just about podcast and be about to be Fits
and Liver on. They're off, They're on, they're off, they're on,
They're off.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Another one of the scenes that happens a little bit
earlier before this, this hunting scene, with Fits and Olivia.
Is a scene with Abby and Harrison when they're going
to check in on Monica, who was the supposing the
other woman who knows that Aready knows about thorn Gate
and took Thorngate. They're back and forth is just so good.

I wrote down it's so classic buddy cop vibes. I
love them together. Yeah, yeah, I wrote it's so satisfying
to the ear into the eyes. It's also very when
Harry met Sally. It's just that back and forth. They
just mesh and meld so well together, those two characters.
And of course Darby and Columbus like had the best chemistry.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Ah, where is that spin off?

Speaker 1 (26:32):

Speaker 2 (26:33):
I want that procedural. I want that in Abby Harrison
spin off Good Cop, Bad Cop. Love watching them handlecases.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah yeah yeah, And so we find her dead. We
find Monica dead. She's dead.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, he dead? Good she did. I don't even know
what the fucking body count is by episode two oh
three that we're at it scandal like, how many people
have done it?

Speaker 1 (26:56):
That would be kind of a cool, like little side
thing that we figure out is the body count.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
But I also gotta say I love the scene Fitz
comes back from the hunting scene with live and he's
a duck to Melly, and this whole episode he has
been like nice to Melly and they've sort of been
reconnecting over like designing the nursery because the baby's coming,
and Melly is folding baby clothes that have been gifted
to them from Queen Elizabeth, which, like Queen Elizabeth was

alive at the time, Like.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Right, I know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
To me, it's just so weird.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
I know. And fits is like, you know, you could
get somebody to fold those clothes, and that's when she's like, no,
these were gifted by the Queen. I'll fold these baby clothes.
It also made me think like, oh, god, kids, I
don't know how y'all do it. I was like I've
said this before and I'll say it again. Listen. I
got four goldfish and sometimes I'm like, I gotta feed
them today again, like I'm stressed. I'm like, oh, he's

fucking fish. I gotta clean this tank. I can't imagine
having like live human beings running around. You got to
keep them alive.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Have you had a goldfish die yet?

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Oh? All the time. Yeah, But these have lasted. These
have lasted over over a year. They're goldfish. I sometimes
I've buried a couple in my backyard, but usually just
flush flush.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
But yes, Bellamy is folding baby clothes from Queen Elizabeth
and they're in a great place. Her in fits and
then he goes to this hunting thing and when he
comes back, he a dick. And Melly goes right up
to Hal and Tom the Secret Service. She's like, what
the hell happened while they were hunting?

Speaker 1 (28:35):
And they are quiet, and this scene, that scene is
one of my favorite scenes in this episode too.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
To me too.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Well. She's trying to get out of them. Why She's like,
why is my husband being a dick? Yes?

Speaker 2 (28:47):
And she's like, what tell me? Blink just blink a
few times. I'm going to list a bunch of names,
and you can tell me who he saw out there
and why it was affected him. And she names all
these people like Cyrus, his mother, all these people, and
then she goes to Olivia Pope.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
And and Hal is like.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Hal winks and old face changes and the only way
that Belle and Young can do. And she's like thank you, Joan.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah, oh, it's such a great, fun, fun scene. And
the way Mellie says, floody r eyelashes for a girl, just.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
So good eyelashes. Girl. There are some moments where Bellamy's
a Southern bell. I don't know very many Southern women,
do you.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
I don't either know. And Bellamy, like you said, she
was like the first like southern bell if you will,
that I've met. But to that that level of the
most loving, kind lovely person like that you can meet.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Oh I know, And they write to.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
That, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
And then I wrote down Olivia Show's network had Thorngate
his wife at home. Oh oh oh right. So then
she calls in all the these big dogs and to prove,
like Thorngate is a real thing.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Isn't it the network people, doesn't she call? Is it
the network people?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
It is? Yes, yes, yes, yes, because they're like.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
We're not gonna show this ship.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah right, it's the people. We're gonna tell the American people,
essentially on primetime news, yes, that this ship is going down.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
And then so Olivia tells Huck Show the footage, and
it's footage like you were saying, of this, this head
of the network's wife with their baby and talking to
her friend and he's like, oh my god, that's like
my bedroom and my wife. You know, this is a real.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Thing about him.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
She's like, you know, he could, he could maybe go
to the gym once in a while. He's like, shut
it down, turn it off. I get it.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
In my head. She's like, my husband's dick is flaccid,
like no viagraa's working. I'm so not satisfied in the bedroom.
Maybe it was that it's something in that ere not something.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yes, yes, I know it's real.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
And then I just wrote we find out that wait,
I have to pee. I'm gonna pee my pants. Yeah,
we'll be right back after I go peepee, and we're
back from that quick pee pee break. So now, so

now what happens? Okay, already, Oh we find out that
already killed Monica. Oh, this is when this whole fucking
we find out that shit goes down has been had.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yes, he sure has all by grilled cheese, the demise.
It was the grilled cheese though grilled cheese demise.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Wait, wait, so what happens You're like making lunch or something.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, well, Artie's making grilled cheese, and Hawk is sort
of you know, he's he's hacked into the firewall, and
he's he's happy that he was able to do any
didn't take twenty two days, as he stated earlier in
the episode. And then all of a sudden, you know,
a smoke alarm starts going off, and Huck gets up
from away his from his computer and goes to open

the window. And then we see that Already goes to
Huck's computer and pulls out the external drive and puts
it in his pocket and leaves, and Huck was hoodly
winked Hoodley win Wells. Hut thinks at first that Already's
going to the bathroom, so Already goes to the bathroom,
closes the door, and then he gets a call from
Olivia and Olivia's like, where's already he And Huck is like, oh,

he's in the bathroom again, and Olivia's like, break down
the door, break down the door. Yeah, yo, can I
just say really fast? I low key like thought I
had dislocated my shoulder in this scene because I had
to keep banging into that door. I'm not even kidding,
and my shit was like look, and you know, I

was trying to keep it together because I was like
I can't stop like shooting and be like you, guys,
I think I dislocated my shoulder. It was so freaking bad.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Oh my god, Guermo, you poor fucking actors are so
fucking stupid. Like, of course, like the first couple takes,
you're like so like you're so into it and you're
you're like acting the shit out of the scene, so
like you're gonna like I'm gonna fucking break down the door,
and like Olivia's yelling at you and ye no.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
But bus how it was for me, it was like
the second take, I was like, oh, there it goes
my shoulder. Oh my god. And Ron was like one
more time anyway. I was fine, it wasn't dislocated, but it.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Felt like stil you really committed.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah. So now Artie's on the lamb. Artie's gone, right.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Artie's gone. He's got all the information. He's literally the
most powerful person in the universe. He can spy on
anybody at any time. And all I wrote after that
is Abby says her, how did this happen? Abby's talking
to Olivia like, no, you've made two mistakes. This mistake
on already fucking Hornbocker, who just fucking hoodly winked us
and Lindsey fucking Dwyer.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah, ship, yeah, I know, get over it a get
over can we can we talk about Have we talked
about this scene yet, that scene where where Mellie says
that memorable line get over her fit?

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yes, that's kind of We're getting to that the next one.
But wait, wait, wait, wait really quick. Right before that,
they come to get us at Olivia popan Associates, and
all I wrote down was that we are standing in
key formation people like they open up the doors to
get us, and like it's the office. We're essentially making
like a diamond. Yes, And I don't remember if it
was this episode or another episode, but whenever we were

like standing in that formation and had to stand in
it forever because shooting takes so long, I feel like
we were trying to make like dance routines happen, because
it felt like we were in a music video formation.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I think that's in the blooper reel too, where we're
in that formation and we're all like busting out dancing. Yeah,
we have.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
To post that when the episode comes out and watch
it because whenever I see Olivia Popanasosi's in a shot
where we're in like standing formation I heard. Yeah, we
always were like and this is when we do Rhythm Nation. Yeah,
and then we get into we switch back over to
the White House and Mellie has the best fucking scene ever.

She's been stewing and brewing because Fitz has been a
dick since he got back from hunting season with Olivia,
and she says get over.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
And Fitz says something.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Like, well, I don't know what get over her, guero.
I am so fucking impressed by your impression of that,
Like I just did it once and I was like, oh,
I'm not gonna be able to talk for a week.
And then she says, you see her again, I'll blow
you away, and I'm an excellent shot.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Oh the way she delivers that line too, she does
it with like sort of with a relish, right and
sort of with a smile and a smirk. I'll blow
like sea, I'm an excellent.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
So good, she's so like, you know, obviously, the whole
episode is about hunting and all these metaphors for hunting
season and shooting, and we get to Huck finds Arty
and rot Row got his toolbox or however you say
toolbox and.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Es Yeah, very good, but it's one of the one
of the one of the first times on the show,
right that we see the toolbox. We see it in
season one, but I think this is this might be
the second time where we see that infamous red toolbox.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
And then the bitch baby starts to run away and
g is like, I'm gonna dart your ass.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
I'm a doctor ass with his fucking sleepy dart. Yeah.
But but first we find we we realize that Huck
has tracked Artie because Artie stole one of Huck's watches,
which a little side note, a little fun fun fact,
Huck would keep the watches of the people that he

would torture and murder, so he has like boxes full
of these watches. I don't know if you remember that case.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
I do not.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Arty Farty is still one of Huck's watches, which have radium,
which is really easy to track. And that's how Huck
found AREDI.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Far party, you fucking moron.

Speaker 1 (37:20):

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Wait where I did it say in the script that
Huck takes the watches of his No.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
That's from seven fifty two. We don't find that out
seven fifty Yeah, but but the writers and the you know,
they already knew about that. I'm assuming because in this
in this episode, he has that box full of watches
that already pulls out, and Huck is like, don't fuck
with that.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
That it, Yeah, I love it. Then we get we
cut to the bar and we've got the line that
the best We're standing at the bar me Darby in
the middle, Harrison on the end, and Quinn is like, god,
man already fucking had us. Man, he fucking it was

perfect and we he fucked us, like, holy shit, that
was unbelievable how he did it. And then Addy says, yeah,
it takes one to know one. And I'm like, you
know what, screw you, fucking screw you, screw your fucking
mother's mother, screw your father and everybody. Screw yourself. Straight
to hell.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Hell want yourself there again?

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah, go to hell and screw yourself because I'm fucking
done with this. I am not Lindsay, I am Quinn,
and I am here to stay. And then Harrison so
beautifully says, I'm Quinn bitch, which is so good tag
on Twitter. That's my experience, like any single time for
the next seven seasons, eight years of my life, anytime

Quinn fucking kicked ass. It was a hashtag I'm Quinn
grateful to Maddy Burne and the Scandal riders for that
gift because it was the best well and it was also.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
A little you know, a little nod, a little salute
to Britney Spears because in Britain Spears says, I'm Britney bitch.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
I'm Quinn bitch. Happens it's the best. And Edison says
he's his client now because they've kicked him off the
intelligence team. Huck says that he didn't hurt Artie and
that he's handling much.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah, he says, I didn't hurt him too much, so
you know, he did some a little bit of damage,
but yeah, and Olivia is a little bit concerned that
she sort of opened this door, this torturing door, but
Hock is like, no, no, I'm good, I got this.
Don't worry about it.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
And the episode fucking ends with Rosen and Abby going
to bone Town.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Going to bone Town, everybody, and that's where Abby and
Rosen went.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
They're going to bone Town, and it seems like it's
pretty good.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, I feel like the like the Gladiators lost their
shit in this in this scene, right, at the end
of this episode, because it was like, what, I don't
think anyone expected that. Do you know what I mean?
For these Oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
When we read it at the table read we were
like what, yeah, it was a total total left field
shocker shock shock shock.

Speaker 1 (40:13):

Speaker 2 (40:15):
And it's the beginning of their amazing, interesting relationship, exciting relationship.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
I know.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Oh shit, oh shit, oh shit. Tweetwee twet twet twetwee
tweetwee tweets at the time.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
All right, yoll, let's get into our favorite.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
The tweets of the time are getting good.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Guys, they are getting good. They're getting better. I'm really
happy with these. There's a couple that I'm like, this
is so good. Katie tweeted, my besties are coming over
for popcorn and wine with their Grays ABC and Scandal ABC.
How will you be watching?

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Oh god, somebody beat me up. Gross. That's such a
goodie too. Shoe tweet like, I was like, ew, that's
so gross. It's like, okay, everybody, my besties are coming over. God, gross.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
At Jess Florence writes, it's been weird, like seeing a
grandma and bikini or a Democrat with a Bible hashtag
scandal hashtag hileius and then at Sharif Jackson wrote, longest
shoelacing scene ever hashtag scandal. I bet that's true. I
think if we went in the Guinness Book of World
Records for any scene on television that had shoelacing going on,

that that was probably the longest one.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
But also so like sexual, so sexy, and it was
merely the act of you know, tying her shoelaces, but
it was still filled with so much sexual tension.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Listen to this one. Why are they so surprised they
know about the Olivia prezy horny night calls? Hashtag scandal.
Olivia and President both scream at each other and are unstable.
Just get a room again hashtag scandal.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Peachy j said, but how does the president kiss Olivia
Pope in front of his secret service hashtaig scandal? How
else is he going to do it? His secret service
is around him? Twenty four seven my gig, because he
he just wants that.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
He just wants that them beautiful Olivia Pope lips on
his lips and he doesn't care who wants to watch it,
Like he is like clown. Yeah, he's down to Clown.
Episode two oh four is next week. Episode two O
four is titled belt Way Unbuckle.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Oh, I remember.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
This episode and it's amazing to come back. Tell your friends, like, subscribe,
get all your family and friends to watch, because all
you gladiators, you're all out there and you got nowhere
to go to put all your scandal gladiator love, so
bring it here. So thank you for listening.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Get us.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
How do we wrap out?

Speaker 1 (42:52):

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Hope, hope, hope. We love you guys, hell love you guys.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
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Speaker 2 (43:12):
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Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.

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