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January 18, 2024 37 mins

It's time for one of Katie's favorite episodes, which marks the first time B613 is mentioned. Naturally this leads to a big discussion about ghosts and Monica Lewinsky's purse line. Then, Guillermo explains what it's like to use so many guns on set. And Katie points out two flaws in her acting that made it to the final version of the episode. Buckle in, this episode takes Katie & Guillermo on quite a... spin.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Katie, how's your social life lately? What have you been doing?
Have you been going out? Wait? Do you have heat?

Speaker 1 (00:38):
We no heat yet, but today they just installed the
water heater today. So, folks, it's been almost a month
that I've been showering with literally freezing cold water. It's
like extra cold. But today is they just installed the
water heater. So as I was showering today, it went
from freezing cold to like hot, and I was like, oh,

(01:01):
did you I didn't, but you check this out. Okay,
you're so in the middle of me taking the hot shower,
I turned it all the way to cold, like not
completely cold, but I was like, oh, this is because
I don't know my body.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
You're not trained it, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
And now I'm like, well I don't want it too hot. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I was like, whoa, You'll change that.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, it'll go away, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
That will go away. Well, I have shit all in
my teeth because I was I was drinking a smoothie.
Have you ever had mirror lax? I think it makes
you poop.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Oh listen, everybody knows who knows me knows that I
poop like a duck. I don't need any help.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Wow, you and I are yin and yang.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Yeah. I could literally think about pooping and be like,
I have to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
You're so lucky if I don't chug like the most
water ever. I am just not a regular goal. Really,
I was just watching this episode, Oh, Darby, her acting work,
I'm so envious, Like I just fuck her and her
fucking face, her fucking hair, her fucking body acting chops,

(02:14):
her acting chops. She's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Listen, this is that scene when she's like boarding David
in his apartment, even her hair was acting.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
That's what I was just finishing watching. And she's like
the best at almost getting upset and holding it.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Which is so much more powerful than going there slipping
out completely.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Oh my god, Darby.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
And the first day we met her, if I'm not mistaken,
was when we were about to do a table read
right for like some executives whoever it was some of
the Will Sewan it was a writer, but producers and
what have you, studio people. But that's the first time
we met her. In the first time, like she had
just she had just been cast and then she was
thrown into like, Okay, we're gonna do the table read. Yeah,

(03:01):
if I'm not mistaken crazy, Yes.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
And I also remember meeting her. She like came in
and she was wearing the like suit. I think she
wore to like the audition, which she had just had.
I also think that the breakdown was like for a
much older woman who likes cats or like or like
pin like a needling, like fucking sewing or whatever, like

(03:26):
again similar to you, like, Yeah, she was completely different
from what the breakdown called for.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yes, And I love that Shonda has an open mind
that way, and she's like, Nope, I'm going completely against type.
Yeh from you know that that was in the breakdown.
A breakdown is a description of the character when you
go in for the audition. It's like you look in
like describing the character.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
The most famous one that I ever heard of was
I think on Grey's Anatomy, this is like folklore in Shondaland.
I don't know if this is true, but I had
heard that the breakdown for Chandro Wilson characters. So it's
Chandra Wilson who fucking runs Gray's Anatomy and is like,
you know, the bulldog she plays doctor Bailey. The breakdown

(04:09):
was for a Kristin Chenowith type, what like a tiny
southern blonde like the girl next like a teeny teeny
animal that you would never expect to be the like
fucking driver of the you know, and like that.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Wow, I wonder if Kristin Chennawick auditioned for the role,
she might right.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
And then supposedly Chandra Wilson came in and Shonda and
Lindelowie were like, Nope, that's Bailey, that's Space.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
I can't imagine anyone else playing that role. Do you
remember my Chandra. Chandra likes to make.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
It clear Chandra people called brilliant women. It's Hawk, it's Millie,
and it's Chandra, rhymes to like everyone in my family.
I'm like, it is not Chandra rhymes like please stop,
it's Chandra will and Shonda rhymes exactly.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
And do you remember when Chandra came on set and
she was shadowing. I think she was shadowing a director
for a few days. Oh man, I was so star
trust I love what She's such a great actor, she's
so good.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Such a great everything was the person that sat me down,
and I was like, how do you do this? Like
how do you have longevity? Like she was just saying
the key to episodic television was to just like, it's
all about the journey and the pace rather than like
the you know, what did I get this episode or

(05:38):
what didn't I get or whatever. She's like, you have
to look at this as like one huge, very long
paste thing and really think about like the healthiest things
you can do for the longevity of this, right.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
That's so, that's that's such great advice because even for me,
I mean there were times that I'd read an episode
and I'd be like, what the fuck, Like Huck is
hardly in this and so and so has so much
stuff to do, and yeah, you know, you start to
take it personal. But that I love that advice. It's
it's it's you know, it's a mam.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
She was like, no, exactly, exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
And always, always, never failed. There was always an episode
down the pike that it was like super heavy with
your character, you know what I mean? So, yes, if
you just you.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Know patience, by the way, people, we are talking about
episode two oh six, right, yes, spy, we're talking about
episode two o six Spies Like Us. It aired on
November fifteenth to twenty twelve, and it was.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Written by Chris Van Duson and directed by Bethany Rooney.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
There is a fucking scene where you're in Huck's office
and I walk in and you're listening to this amazing music,
which we'll talk about in a second of what's going
on the episode. But I came, what hi covin? And
it's so obvious that I'm looking at my mark, like

(07:02):
before my mark. Really the dumbest You have to go
back to the first scene where you are like decoding
the classical sheet music that had been yeah yeah, and
someone's already in there. I think Darby's already in there.
What the fuck is that sound? And Clinn walks in

(07:22):
and I take a real long step looking down for
a while, and then you see my dumb ass fucking
face look on it and trying to pretend like no
one noticed. How long I just like looked down for
the mark.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yo for the listeners. A mark like when you're acting,
the camera department will put down a piece of tape
with different different color to all actors have their own color,
and they call those marks and you have to hit
those marks so the camera could focus on you properly.
But a lot of oftentimes, like I see it all
the time on movies and TV shows where people look

(07:55):
down and then they look up and start acting because
they're looking for their mark. They want to make sure
they hit their mark, because if you're off, then you
know you're out of focus or you're not in the
frame right.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
And the mark is like a t shape with one
piece of masking tape that goes in between your left
and right foot and then in te the top of
the tee your toes are supposed to hit, And like
on Scandal a lot of times with the beveled glass
and all this shit, it was like if you missed
it by even ninch, you were fucked and you were
fucking up their shot.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah. I made sure always to be like, walk up
to the mark once or twice and get used to it, yeah,
without looking at it. And then I always told myself,
do not look for your mark, because I would rather
be off.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
And act the shit out of it than look down.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Oh well, honey, go back in this episode and take
a look at my work, because it is amateur acting,
one oh one. It is garbage. On a So Bad
It's Really Bad off Episode two. Sex is guest starring
Susan poor Far as Becky Flynn, Sam Anderson is Melvin Fien,

(09:03):
Mary Pat Gleason as Betsy Ray.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Adam Lazar White as Paul Gray, and Sarah Aldrich as
Maggie Andrews who's also wink.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Oh that's right. They have all their spine names. Yeah,
and you were spin.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Oh, I was spin because they thought he would never
find someone, so spin short for Spinster.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Right, you and you know what. At the end of Scandal,
they were right.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Jaca is still fucking Willy spin.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Willy Spence is just alone.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
God damn it?

Speaker 2 (09:34):
What the fuck? Uh okay? Synopsis Real Quick, Huck's old
handler publicly executes himself as a warning to Huck, who
is prepared to leave it a moment's notice, but Olivia
begs for time to sort out what's going on, where
she then learns that about the threat to expose B
six thirteen from an Internet hacker.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Huck assembles his old coworkers an ensemble of fellow assassins,
one of who must be the person ready to supply
the proof of the other operatives.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
The OPA team only have a short time to fix
the case before the killers handily themselves. That's right, that's right.
So many guns in this episode.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
So many guns.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yo, guns, fuck.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Are fucking props. People were so hot, like shelf like professionals,
Like there was never a handing off of a gun
without everyone. I remember the crew even asking to look
inside the gun if we were any of us were
holding a gun.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
I can't believe how many times on the show I
held a gun. Didn't you me too, like hundreds of times.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
You know. A memory that popped up watching this episode
is how fucking heavy are those damn guns?

Speaker 2 (10:36):
When you told me about shooting this episode, shaking everybody
was when you're holding a gun.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Listen, it's not heavy, but when you're holding a gun
up to another person in a scene, and sometimes in
this scene, we're holding that gun up and there's like
how many people. There's like eight of us in the scene,
so you have to hold that gun up for everyone's
coverage that she gets.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's no your arms were shaking, you would tell. You
told me after you shot this episode that it's like
you're trying to look like a motherfucker, like you're trying
to be so cool, and you're holding your gun with
like a perfectly straight arm, like at someone's face, and
your arm is just straight up quivering, shaking.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
My fucking breast are sweating.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Your pectoral My pectorals are away. My god. I love
this episode. I love everything having to do with spies.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I feel like we say that every single episode, but no,
fucking good.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
I know they're all fucking good, but this point, Quinn
is not a spot. Quinn is not B six thirteen.
This is the first motherfucking episode that we ever hear
the words BE six thirteen. Ye what writer in the
writer's room? Yeah, came up with the terminology B six thirteen.
Give him cookies the fuck.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
This is also the first episode that I was like, Yo,
this episode feels special, it feels different. I was like,
this episode could be a movie.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yes, it totally felt like a movie.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah. And it's this ominous, like dangerous tone to it.
It's such such a special episode, and it was special
shooting it too.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
It almost feels like a bottle episode, where like it's
its own storyline and its own container. I mean that's
not true, because the episode is filled with other stuff.
There's like shit going on in the white House where
James Novak writes a fucking article on the front page
of The Times out like that, using that Cyrus is
talking about Hollis and now Hollis has got a bone

(12:31):
and it's it's bad.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
We have Edison and Olivia like going on a date. Yeah, yeah, they're.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Super cute together. But the shit that's going on in
OPA is big talk, big fighting for the office. There's
Steven has not been in the office and it's been
sitting there empty its entire second season, and everyone's doing
big office talk. Abby, Harrison, and Quinn all want that office. Yeah,
but I just love this episode. What I was thinking

(12:58):
was like, oh my god, Quinn has no idea yet
that she's going to be B six thirteen, that she
at one point on this show is also going to
be trained, that she's going to know how to do
all this shit.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Like Yeah, there's even a scene where you mentioned what
is B six thirteen and Olivia gives you this look
and you're like, what what what did I say?

Speaker 2 (13:14):
What's the issue?

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, you're still that deer in headlights in this episode.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Oh God, we will be back with more after the break.
The Abby David shit in this episode is a huge winner.
I mean he starts the episode saying, like you want
a drawer? It just is filled with like my hiking shit,
and I don't go hiking, so would you like a drawer?

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah? And she's also it goes from that to like
a shot of Olivia listening to that conversation, like she's
spying on them, and it was the first time I
was like, oh shit, Like Olivia's no joke, Like she's
going dark, like.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
A bad friend. You're a bad, bad, bad friend, Like
your friend is clearly very happy. He's a very good dude.
I think carry did such a good job. There's like
the bobble Head seen where she's listening and overhearing that
Abby and David are getting more serious and then she
knows that they can't be together because we can't have
Abby and them figuring out about defiance. But she sends

(14:19):
in Brolivia, and by Brolivia, I mean Harris Harrison. Harrison
goes to Livia like shit's getting weird in here, Dude,
shit is getting weird. There are fucking spies in here.
Abby's having sex with you know, David Rosen, you are
with Edison, Like what is going on?

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Things you're not Steven.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yes, there's a ghost. There's a ghost in this office,
Like what is up? And she's like, he's like what
do I do? What can I do?

Speaker 1 (14:50):
What do you need?

Speaker 2 (14:51):
And she's like I need you to end David Rosen
and Abby and he's like just kind of quiet, and
then she kind of says this line while she leaving
the room, but she says, like her husband used to
beat her. Use that so her that's.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Not right, that's best friends do. Hell no. And also
because Harrison is so close with Abby, the fact that
he's the one that then ends up going and pays
one of Rosen's ex girlfriends from one hundred years ago, yes,
from one hundred years ago, to lie and say that
David beat her. Oh, it's such such a fucked up situation.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
All around, so fucked up, and Darby does such exquisite
work at the end. More towards the end of the episode,
she storms into David's apartment and she's like, you're not
a good guy. You're not a good guy, Like, look,
I have fucking photos of this girl's beat up, fucking
face from what you did. And he's like, go talk
to her, go ask her yourself, and she's like, I did.

(15:53):
I went to coffee with her yesterday. She was crying
and I trust my.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Door told me. Yeah, I heard it from the horse's mouth, yes.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
And then and then Abby is like, and these are
the pictures of me when my husband.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Beat me, and I found them in your drawer, like
they were in your boulders.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
And I was a target because you knew that I
was a target and then I was easy and that
I was a weak person, which is like Abby's achilles heel,
that anyone is ever going to think she's weak, and
it's why she's built this character that's had this whole
totally tough exterior. And then he tries to come near
her and like kind of console her, and she fucking
flinches and she's like, if you ever come near me,

(16:30):
I will kill you.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
She's oh, and you believe that shit.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Oh you believe And then stupid ass bitch Olivia. Sorry, Gladiators,
I know we've Livia more than anything and she can
do no wrong. But then Abby's just sitting on her
office OPA couch saying like, I'm sorry I broke up
with David Rosen. I betrayed you, and I'm so sorry. Yeah,
she's holding tissues, and Olivia's like, it's okay, I'm there there,

(16:54):
and Harrison like walks through the back of the office
feeling like a shit like he should you.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Said there there? I fucking love that, yo. But the
other thing that stood out for me in this episode
they're there, they're there. Are the fucking guest stars in
this episode? Like, how fucking lucky were we to have
these people? This dude Sam Anderson. Let me just rattle
off a few of his credits, New Heart, Hardcastle and McCormick,

(17:21):
The Golden Girls, Cagney and Lacy, What's Happening Now? Twenty one,
Jump Street, La Bamba, Forrest Gump, Growing Pains, Lost of Course,
and then he did a bunch of horror movies. He
did a movie called Wija Origin of Evil. And that's
just a few of his credits.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Do you know any of the horror films he has appeared?

Speaker 1 (17:37):
I do, I do Oija Origin of Evil. It's about
a Oiji board.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Oh man, do you like Ouiji boards?

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Hell? No, Katie, no, no no. I had a very
bad experience with a Wiji board when I was in
a grammar school and then in high school again, I
played it with friends and it it worked. Man, It's
scared the shit out of me. I had horrible dreams
and nightmares and I just from the.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
First time or the second time, we're both from.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Both, from both, and then years cut to years later.
Do you remember Teresa Kaputo from the Long Island Medium.
She's a medium.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
She's been on Katie's Crib talking about Good Morning, her book. Yes,
I've been on her show. You've been on her show,
and she's been a guest on Katie's Crib. We had
her on my other podcast talking about how to teach
children about death, how to talk to them about death,
how to properly mourn in front of children. She's fucking amazing.
But okay, what did she say?

Speaker 1 (18:30):
They asked me to do an episode of Long Island
Medium as well, and she came to me in Mikey's
house and she did a reading. When she was reading
us and doing her thing, she said, have you ever
played a widow Wigi board? And I said yeah, yeah,
And I was like, oh my god. And she said,
there's a spirit that you conjured up that came out
from when you played, that has been with you your

(18:51):
whole life. I have chills by my fucking arms right now.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I'm not even I am too, and I am fucking speechless,
and you know I'm never speechless.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Katie the Hair, I can't believe how.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Fuck did she say that the spirit was?

Speaker 1 (19:08):
She said he's not bad. She even said his name.
I believe his name was Charlie. I wrote it down
in my thing. Isn't that crazy? But she said he
just attached himself to me. He's not evil, he's not bad,
but he just stayed with me. And she said that's
why people shouldn't. People think it's a game, and you know,
it's not real, but she was like, that's why people

(19:29):
should not play, because sometimes that could happen and it
could be a bad spirit and then you have this
horrible energy.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Like she does say that when she brings up spirits.
She always says this terminology that I don't really like
to even think about because it kind of freaks me out.
But she's like, we're only asking for the spirits to
show up. Who are you know? Of are of good intention?
And like, yeah, will or something like that. And I
questioned her once about it. I was like, why do
you have to say that? And I didn't want to

(19:56):
even hear the answer, because I was like kind of scared,
but she was just like, well, because you know, there
can be some spirits that aren't that don't have the
best intentions and they're really not great. And I'm like,
oh my god.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Just like in real life, there's terrifying, Like but can
you fucking believe that? That's my fucking experience with So.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Why did you do it again the second time after
the first time?

Speaker 1 (20:22):
I don't know. I don't I don't know, because you know,
peer pressure, your friends we were I did it too.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
I was peer pressured like multiple times to do is
fucking horrible. And you're all screaming at each other like
you're moving it. No, you're moving it. You moved it.
And you were supposed to start the ouiji boord session
with like are there any spirits currently in the room
or something like that, and it'll point to like yes,
and then you're like and then you're like, what is
your name? And it like spells out a name and

(20:48):
then you're like.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
And when I played it, I went I went to
Catholic school my whole life. I played it in our
cafeteria in my school, which is attached to a church,
so I was in a sort of you know, a
sacred place if you will, and that's where I was
playing it. And then we played it again at my
friend's house that same day, that same night anyway.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
And she said, Charlie has attached himself to you your
whole life.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Can you believe that?

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Do you ever when you're alone in a room, do
you feel like I'm not alone because he's here, or
do you feel do you ever feel totally alone?

Speaker 1 (21:24):
I thank the universe that I never feel anything evil
or unsettling around me. It's funny. After Teresa did that
whole day with us of shooting and yeah, you know,
giving us the reading, for about a week, Mikey and
I kept seeing stuff like moving or we were like
shadows and it felt like there was there was presences

(21:47):
around us, and it was it was weird. And then
someone we talked to someone who worked on the show
and they said, yeah, sometimes though spirits of course will
stick around, you know for a little bit. Because she
just had them all come to your house so she
could talk to them. Oh and that was that was weird.
But it wasn't again, it wasn't evil, It wasn't you know,
anything negative.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Charlie is not malevolent? Yes, yes, how did we get
on this subject?

Speaker 1 (22:13):
I know because fucking Sam Origin of Evil?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Oh my god, was it a good movie?

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Oh it was a good movie. But you know, g
Boord movies freak me out because I start thinking about
my experiences.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Odd. Okay, So other things that happened in this episode
is that all these guest stars come in and all
of the o PA people are waiting for all of
them to arrive, and we think they're gonna be like
the craziest, most badass looking spies you've ever seen in
your life. And the first one to come out is
Maggie Andrew's wink and she's so cute and she's a

(22:50):
mother of three and she's a little pink cardigan, super blonde,
super blonde. And then all of a sudden she starts
to like throw all of her guns in the.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Bast Yeah, is like, we gotta scrub you. Yeah. I
love that too, because even when I first read this episode,
I thought I had all these like, you know, just
your typical, your stereotypical like thug looking, spy looking people.
I was like, Oh, there's gonna be some interesting actors.
And they were all very like woman next door, guy

(23:19):
next door.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
And it's like such a dress. The other one looks
like a librarian. Mary pat Gleeson, who's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Oh, Mary Pet Gleason, I love her. She just passed
away in twenty twenty. Yeah, but she was. Yeah, she's
been in a ton of great stuff. She was in
Mama's Family, which I love so much. I love the
carabernetco and Murphy Brown Troop Beverly Hills.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
She's legend, She's legend.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
She was in the Crucible. Yeah, she played Martha Corey
in The Crucible. Yeah, which she was in Basic.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
She's had such an incredible she had an incredible career.
I am so sad to hear that she does.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
I know right, me too, me too. And her character's
name is a Matches because.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
She could just light ship the.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Fly shot, burned the place down.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
What was Maggie Andrews's special spy for?

Speaker 1 (24:07):
She was a sniper. Every time he looked at her,
she had one eye click.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Right right, right, right right right. And then and Sam
Anderson comes off. He's like a doctor, and we learned
like he thought he was a doctor doing good and
then he realized he just needed he was still addicted
to just fucking cutting bodies open.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yes, Yeah, that's yeah. I love that piece of information.
Me too, Me too, And Huck says something like he
was an expert at knowing how much pain someone could
take before they actually.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Die, and now he's a oofter god fuck.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
And then there's a couple of other spies that Adam
Lazar White who plays Paul Gray, who's like a professor
now yes, and he could speak like seventeen language languages yep.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
And then the last person to walk off the OPA
elevator is our one and only Charlie And what was
his nickname?

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Charlie's nickname was Charles Manson.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, but did he have a specialty?

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Does it say he was amazing really great at disappearing
someone for good, like really well, which.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
We saw him do in season one to Amanda Tanner.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yes, and that's why you see the tension between Hock
and Charlie in this episode is super heavy and just.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Loaded with like, did the two of you do any
actor prep work for that?

Speaker 1 (25:21):
We tell no, we did not. You know, our actor
prep work was going, Hey, uh, George, I'm gonna go
to craft. Do you want to come. He was like yep,
and we'd both go to Crafty and like Grey's Crafty.
Oh look they have little pieces of cake. Oh there's
sandwiches over there. That was our fucking prep work.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
You guys are And then I would join in on that.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Always you were like what do they have? We'll be
right back, guys.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Okay. Other winning moments, winning scenes of this app Okay,
Quinn gets a new office, yeah, which I love because
person moves over to Steven's office. So Quinn does the
stupid thing with her jaw and she drops another goddamn
cup of coffee because we've left the spies for just
a few minutes. While we're figuring out Olivia's out trying

(26:09):
to work all her contacts. The spies are all holding
each other at gunpoint, and then Harrison comes in and
have a fucking best monologue, Oh, talking them down from
shooting each other. Yes, And then he walks out and
he's like that's big office talk, baby, big office talks.
And he goes into Steven's office and then I'm like, yay,

(26:30):
I get my office too, and I like run out
to my own. And then we see this close up
on Harrison where actually that was impossible for him, and
it was all affront in his hand, like can't stop
shaking because he thought he was gonna get shot and
everybody was going to die.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah, Oh, I love that. I love that. There's also
a really memorable scene in this episode is when Hawk
is fussing with the radio with an old school radio. Yeah,
and he's calling the spies through the frequences of the radio,
And I just love that so much. And you hear
in the background, you hear three blind mice playing, and

(27:03):
it's so ominous and dark and oh so cool. A
radio for you guys, for the younger generation, is an apparatus,
a box that we would turn on with a button.
We would plug it into the wall somewhere battery operated,
and you could hear music out of it.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, and you could like you couldn't scroll with a button.
You actually had to like turn a dial.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
You had to turn a fucking dial.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
To find a fucking station.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
And some radios had cassette tape holders and you could
put a cassette tape and when you found your favorite station,
like Z one hundred er bls were some of my favorites,
and when they played your favorite song, you press record
and record.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
That's we are such New Yorkers. Z one hundred is
what I grew up really all day, one night, Z
one Z one hundred.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yes, oh, man, radios. I miss radios. Does anybody have
radios anymore?

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Well, you're still on an iPod, honey, I'm still on
a fuck So you're like the only person I know
that doesn't have Spotify? Or do you have serious radio
in your car?

Speaker 1 (28:10):
I do I have Serious in my car?

Speaker 2 (28:12):
And is there a Madonna station?

Speaker 1 (28:14):
No? Right, not that I know of. No, not that
I know of.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Okay, you would know.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
There's an Elvis Presley station.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
There is, and it's great, but there's not a Madonna
one yet. Yes, what I love the most also about
this episode, and then we can do some fun facts.
But when Abby just is crying at the end and
she leaves David and we're wrapping up the episode, and
we see that the rest of the spies are going

(28:43):
to go off and live happy lives because they found
the one spy that sorted out of them, the doctor
Sam Anderson. They shoot him.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Has this like heart wrenching speech, not because they let's
not kill anyone. Figure out that Melvin Fee is the rat, right,
So then the others, all the Spies want to kill him.
They want to murder him. Yeah, and Huck has this
lovely speech and he's like, you know, he's one of us,

(29:13):
Like he's just a regular guy and he just wanted
a better life and blah blah blah, and all the
Spies are like yeah, yeah, yeah, And then next thing,
you know, two seconds later, fucking Wink shoots some dead
between the eyes and Huck is just sitting there in.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
A Chuck is just sitting there like a lost like, yeah,
you were.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Reformed, yeah slightly, yes, yes, slightly slightly. But that's such
a wonderful scene where they have that time lap scene
of cleaning their eyes, cleaning up, and then there's even
a moment where a Wink cleans my face and Huck
is just sitting there the whole time, just like I
can't believe this happened, Just like, you know.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Do you remember anything from shooting that?

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah? I remember it being a really really emotional, emotional
scene to shoot. It was fun. I had a blast
doing it.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Well, I can't take the fucking sound when you do
the time lapse and the cleanup and the spies go
on to live their happy lives except for Charlie, who
you know, he's looking to get back in business, most
likely with Cyrus. And we see David Rosen putting a
picture of James on his wall who and he's totally
ready to return back to the Cytron case without Abby.
He's going to do it alone. And Edison and Olivia

(30:20):
are sort of moving their relationship forward, and we end
the episode with Edison staying over to Olivia's. But the
whole time, it's my favorite song. It's broken windows and
empty hall always moings and the sky streaked with gray,
human kindness is overflowing, and I think it's gonna rain.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Ah sing it, bitch, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
It's so fucking beautiful.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Wait, who sings that, Katie?

Speaker 2 (30:47):
It's Nana Simone. I think it's gonna rain today. And
the lyrics are so outstanding, and the whole song is
like so beautiful and so juxtaposed to the mood of like,
it's the best fucking song choice.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Scam your feels like it damn it shoves you in
your feels. K I just say, you have such a
beautiful voice. I've heard Katie saying several so many times
throughout my life. I'm very since Kat, but that was
so good man.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Thank you. I love to saying and I don't get
to do it very often, but like it is one
of the first loves of my life until I realize, like,
oh shit, I'm as great as like so many people
at this I think I'm gonna go over here and
do acting by itself, by itself, like other fun facts
of this episode, Like I said, this is the first

(31:38):
fucking mention of B six thirteen. What else? What other
fun facts you got?

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Another fun fact that I sort of discovered on my
own when I was looking up of guest stars on IMDb,
is that Ron Austro who was one of our stand
ins please Sarnoff in the like in the computer and
his face is blurred. Who is it ron Ostro? Remember
he he was sort of the skinny older guy.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Oh my god, I love Ron of course. Oh my god.
I'm sorry. I'm thinking about him in terms of he's
the best.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yes, he's so wonderful episode.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, oh my god, shout out to him. What a
freaking oh my god, I haven't thought about him forever.
What a dream guy? Okay, Olivia Pope makes a reference
to Monica Lewinsky defending former President Bill Clinton when she's
talking Edison. Remember this when they're on the end of
their date at the beginning of the episode. And FYI,
I mean, if you don't fucking know this, then you're

(32:35):
not a real gladiator. But Judy Smith is the woman
who inspired Scandal and inspired Olivia Pope. But during the
Monica Lewinsky Bill Clinton scandal, Judy Smith actually represented Monica
check out and Monica is good friends with Shanda she
is in real life.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
That's some crazy. That's crazy talk right there. Do you
have Monica Lewinsky's phone number? Tell me the truth, Katie?

Speaker 2 (32:58):
You know what's crazy? Monica's ridiculously smart. Oh, and I'm
going to feel so intimidated.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Didn't she write it? But she wrote a book, right?
Doesn't she have her own pocketbook that she designed her
own person Yes, she has a whole amazing line.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
And I want to tell the greatest Monica Lewinsky behind
the scenes story that I've ever known. But I'm gonna
wait because I Judy Smith was the one to tell
it at like a scandal thing, and I have to
wait for her to really come. Oh, I don't want
to blow it. You guys are just gonna need to
tune in. You're gonna need to keep listening to unpack
it into a box. If you want to know some
Monica Lewinsky shit, Let's look at the tweetwo three tweet

(33:36):
tree two three twe twee twe twe tree tree twee
twe twee twet twe tweet twet twe tweet a the
time tweet oigie boards and farts.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Whitney Robinson at Whitney Race sixty six said, I'm pretty
pissed the season finale of Jersey Shore will beyond at
the same time as Scandal hashtag what to do? Really, Whitney, Really.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I feel I've watched every episode of Jersey Shore, and
I would choose Jersey Shore.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
You what about both?

Speaker 2 (34:11):
It's the best show in the world. Scandal me uses
too much of your brain. Jersey Shore is just like
reading garbage. It's the best. It's nothing but sheer fucking entertainment.
It's the fucking best and the worst of humankind. I
love it so much. Yes at Lori s cloud nine
tweeted on November fifth, twenty twelve, no team fits, and

(34:36):
she was in response to do you think Edison is
good for Olivia. Yet lots of people on the tweeter
did not want Edison and Olivia together.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
There's a lot of tweets about Edison here, and I'm
trying to make heads and tails of them. But Veronica,
I love Casey Chiefs said Scandal ABC, right, I'm not
here for Edison. Look at me. Season one is what
hooked me as a viewer hashtag scandal. I think she's
trying to say, don't bring no new people up in

(35:10):
this piece.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
We only want Tony.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Yes it same Sador pudding pop.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Same that. I love Casey Chiefs. Actually in response to
Outlaw Josie, who at Outlaw Josie is an og gladiator
from the way back. We love you Outlaw Josie. But yeah,
she wrote did you read where Betsy Beer said Edison
is sticking around? My question is dot dot dot why why.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
She don't want to have it? She don't want none?
Let's see boop here at Olivia. Twist Uh is replying
to Scandal ABC saying, ooh ohh the Dish people fixing
elections for Republicans for Republicants. How timely. I guess some
shady shit was going down in the world back then,

(35:59):
nothing compared to the shady ship that's going down in
our political world since then, right now, since then, Jesus.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
The next episode, we have a guliermo Willie Diaz with
Charlie the spirit who follows you around. It is called Defiance.
Do you remember what the hell happened in that one?

Speaker 1 (36:18):
I do not, you and I have thought it.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
No, I think it's a flashback. Though I think it's
a flashback.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
I don't know. We'll find out.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
This is what we could tell you. It's gonna be hilarious,
it's gonna be awesome. We're gonna give you behind the
scenes scoop. We may have a guest, we may not
have a guest. Gladiators, We hope you had as good
of a time as we did.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
You guys, please keep coming back and listening to unpacking
the toolbox because there's a lot of stuff in there.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah, we've got a lot more tools to bring out.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
I'm shocked at myself that I haven't said that yet.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
We have.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
We're in the middle of season two and there's such
great ship coming up. And we love you, We love
you and yours, We love you all you Gladiators have
a wonderful week and weekend.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Peace out peace. Thank you guys for joining us on
Unpacking the Toolbox. If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe,
share with your friends, rate, or leave us a review.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Scandal is executive produced by Sandy Bailey, Alex Alcea, Lauren Homan,
Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and editor is
Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Scandal is a production of ABC Signature, and you can
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Speaker 2 (37:37):
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