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January 25, 2024 43 mins

Defiance is one of the most shocking episodes of all time with its twist ending, and Katie and Guillermo can’t wait to dive in. Don’t come hungry because Huck loves a hoagie, and this episode is a very food-forward conversation. Plus, as Katie says, this is the first time Quinn “isn’t dumb” as she’s on the trail to figure out if Huck was involved in her relocation. #WhatTheHuck

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Katie, I just set myself up for fucking failure to
why why.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Do you have a million things going on?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
No, I'm just trying to like wear a beanie with headphones.
We've done this before, hear mo.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Remember I've done it.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, and you're like, yo, your ears are gonna get
so funky and your head gets so sweaty.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's gonna get hot. But it's good that it's freezing outside.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
So that's my hair is disgusting. Can I show you?
I don't think I had this on scan, but I
need to show you.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
That's awful. Put your hat back on.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
You see this read that's a whole gray, a whole
gray streak.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Lean into that ship, lean into it.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
That is just fucking old age right there.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
That sucks when women you get a little bit of
great and you have to keep dying the roots right
and it grows out, and like how how quick does
that grow out? Like in two weeks?

Speaker 3 (01:26):
That's so fast.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
And also like if you're blonde, it sort of like
hides better. But if you're yeah, gray, you right now.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
But I'm not. I'm gray on my beard like here,
but on my head, I'm not gray at all, which
is weird. Yeah, like just here I'm gray. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
The guy's hair on Scandal was such a thing, like
you guys are such fucks, Like I can't deal.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
You had your guy? Did they pay for that?

Speaker 1 (01:56):
No? Well I had my I would have to go
and get my own aircut because they didn't know how
to fade on set, remember, and that was a whole deal.
And they they weren't allowed to bring a barber on
set because there's hardly any barbers that are in the Union.
So it's all these you know, older people and younger
people too, but fading is a whole like specific skill.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Enough art person too, because he brought he brought.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
His person, but that person was in the Union and
they're few and far between. But Columbus snagged one and
it was like a friend of his, I think, So
that's why he was able to bring one on set.
But you know, they wouldn't, they wouldn't. They wouldn't bring
one in for me. So I would have to go
outside every three days and get my hair, my own
air go every three.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Days days, ten months of the year for the seven seasons.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, or they would come to set, but they weren't
allowed to cut in the hair makeup trailer. Once in
a while he would come and cut me in my trailer,
right because you know, legally they weren't allowed to be
in the makeup trailer. Yeah. Good, that was some crazy shit.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
That is so And it was that you used the
same guy all seven years, or did you?

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, it's two brothers. I still use them. They still
cut my hair.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
My question to you is, during the pandemic, what did you.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Do Mikey cut my hair? Mikey would fade it and
it was it was it was awful, But I didn't
care because it was just me and him at home
and I just wanted the feeling of a fresh haircut.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
And did he And when you do a fade, is
it's the buzzer.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
It's the buzzer. Yeah, you just go to the skin
and you go up. You know. Oh, but Mikey would
do it during the pandemic. Yeah, he would do it.
Did you hear his No, No, he didn't care. He
was just like, I don't give man. Yeah, he just
let that shit grow out.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Has there ever been a period in your life where
you have had a long hair.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah when when I was when I
was young, when I did Half Baked, I had long hair.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
When I did Party it was like to your cheeks.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah yeah, but never Yeah, I've not shoulder length or
like no, like two hundred cigarettes. I don't know if
you've ever in that movie I have, I have sort
of it goes down to like it's like long long,
like would you ever do that in one length? Only?
If I had to for a role. But I really
don't like it. It's too much fucking work, right, It's
so much, and then it goes through that ugly phase,

like you know, it looks cute when it's short, and
then it goes to that nasty why anything, and you've
got to go through life in that ugly phase. I
don't like that.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Life's too short, too short to be ugly all the time.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
And I'm too short to be ugly.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Germo, you are shorter, and I love that about am
I two?

Speaker 1 (04:39):
I love being short? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:42):
What do you love about it?

Speaker 1 (04:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
I just like it's you're always I are you? What
are you?

Speaker 1 (04:49):
I'm five to seven okay, yeah, maybe five six, but
I think I'm five to seven.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Guys, this episode is in where it ends.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
I think I say that every time.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
This is ten guest stars. Do you want to do
the first five and I'll do the last five?

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yes, we are talking about episode two seven, called Defiance.
It aired on November twenty ninth, twenty twelve. It was
written by Peter Noah.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
And directed by Tom Verica.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
What we Gotta Have Him on? I Love Tom Okay.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Guest stars of the episode where Brian Lesher is Tom
Rieso Rios as reported number three, Erica Schaefer is news anchor,
William Stone Mahoney is Defiance voting.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Clerk, Chelsea Ross's Harold Pierce.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Jason London is Skip Pierce, Kate lang Johnson is Jenna
new Hall, Patty McCormack as and Pierce. If you know
you know Patty McCormack, y'all, we're going to talk about her.
Grainger Hines as Senator Schuman, Susan Merson as Judge Thompson.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
And this is what happened to the episode.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
It's guys, this ending of banana, This banana's in the
ending of this episode is the craziest shit I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
It was so good. Okay.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Harrison leads the team in managing a billionaire businessman who
seems to have lost his sanity, while Olivia is helping
Senator Edison Davis phil the Senate Majority leader seat after
she just helped the former Senate Majority Leader, Senator Schumann
publicly resign.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
That's a lot of senators. Meanwhile, the White House celebrates
the President's fiftieth birthday and James continues to investigate Cytron
and discovers something that could change the fate of the country.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Dun dundong, y'all.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Wait, I don't know. Wait, let's get into this right now.
Who the fuck is Patty.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
McCormack, Katie Katie Cake?

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Help me.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
I don't know about movies. I don't know about television.
Someone take away my fucking seat.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Let me go to my not Ooh, y'all, y'all, Patty
McCormack is that wait? I was on set. I remember
the rumblings from the crew and I think from Tom
Verica as well, saying pat seed bat seed. Patty McCormack
is the little girl in the movie from the ninth

Team six from the fifties. I think it's nineteen fifty
to fifty six called the bad Seed. She played the
bad Seed. She was that little girl with the long
braided pigtails, and she was like the little devil who
was like, I didn't kill her. I'm a good girl.
She is the fucking bad seed.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Oh my god, how old was she when she did that?

Speaker 1 (07:23):
She I want to say she was like seven or eight,
but she was like the lead like and she was
mesmerizing and frightening, and she was so so good and
so dramatic. She would cry, I didn't kill her because
her friend like gets murdered or dies, and you know,
people think that it was her that killed her, and
it was and uh.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
She nominated for like awards for this.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
I don't know, that's a good question. I should have
fucked it.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
More like the movie that was just like culturally huge,
like everyone's I think.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
That's what it was. Yeah, And then she was also
in the film from the nineteen sixties, The Adventures of
Huckleberry Finn, the fucking movie The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. Yes, look,
she was like the lead woman in it.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Y'all know, you all gave us the gladiators out there,
gave us our ship name Huckleberry Quinn.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yes, y wow, well I thought she was out. I mean,
all of our guest stars are, but she was so
good in this episode. And I love Jason London.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Oh, Jason remember all.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Of the I mean, isn't he a brother of Jeremy London.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Oh yeah, Jeremy London is his brother? Yeah? Tell me, yeah,
Jason London. I mean, listen Jason London. First, y'all know
I love horror movies. He was in Carrie to the Rage.
He played Jesse Ryan, one of the guys that like
fucks around with Harry and then he's a dick. And
he was also in two Wong Food Thanks for everything,
Julie Newmark. He's Bobby Ray. Bobby Ray. Bobby do declare

Bobby Ray. Yes, he's Bobby Ray. Do declare. He was
gazed and confused. He was in a fucking Aerosmith video
called Amazing, which.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Is and he was the lead of that Aerosmith video
that was so iconic.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yes, yes, oh.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
My god, I remember that.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
And Jeremy London and Jason London are both actors.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
No, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Are they twins?

Speaker 1 (09:24):
They are identical twins. As far as far as I
know they're identical twins because I can't tell. I looked
them up on the Internet and I can't tell them
apart at all. But one last adjacent London credit was
Wasabi Tuna, which is a movie. It's the movie that
brought me out to LA A movie called Wasabi Tuna

with Anna, Nicole Smith, Alana Uba, Leslie Jordan, all these
all these people. But the movie was the biggest piece
of crap in the world. Oh, Katie and Lee Friedlander
directed with That's that's why I know Lea.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Are you?

Speaker 1 (10:04):

Speaker 3 (10:06):
You were you in the movies? Is that why you
came out to l A.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
I was in the movie. I got the It's one
of the first movies. I just got a straight up
offer and they flew me out to La to to
film with Sabby Tuna. And then after the film, I
stayed and I auditioned for Weeds, and then I booked Weeds,
and then I just kept staying and that's what kept
me in La. But with Sabby Tuna brought me out
here and like I said, Annachole Smith was in it.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Well, they're amazing in this whole episode and it's such
a lovely I mean, it's such a great episode because
we started it really is that Edison Davis, Senator Pudding Pop.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
In a relationship.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
They're like buzzing around Olivia Pope's apartment, getting dressed and
like talking as if they would, but she's not letting
on at all that she's ever had. He's like, here's
all the chicks I dated since we've been since we've
been together, and she's like, I'm not saying anything, but
the only thing I am going to tell you is
that when the Senator majority leader gets into some big
trouble and there's a problem publicly today, you do a

vote of support publicly and we are going to sort
this out. And it's such a key into their relationship
and it's a great scene and they're so cute.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
They're so cute. They're so cute.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Whole time. Was like, I don't think he looks like Coxtable.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
I think he does, y'all. Just to give you a
quick like a recap in the in the last podcast,
if y'all listen, we talked about we were talking about
some maybe it was too Yeah, you're right, it was.
It was two of five where we talked about it.
But someone tweeted saying calling him Senator Putney pop right
because he resembles Bill Cosby, so that's why we call

them senator ya. My notes for that first scene, it
was a lovely scene, but I said, oive, this that
is in character is still around. Scram beat it well
that those were gone as soon.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
If I remember correctly.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
I think he is. Yeah, he's, I mean again, he's
he's he's so good. He the actor is what.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
The fuck I keep forgetting his fine Lewis God's tired.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
We are tired, and I love normals.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
We will be back with more after the break. I
thought they did such a great job. David Rosen and
James meet on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial to
exchange information about Defiance, and the whole time I'm looking
at it, I'm like, motherfucker, this fucking Lincoln Memorial looks
so fucking good.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
I thought the same thing, and I wrote that shit
in my notes. I said, our green screen team are
they're like the best, like not once, because there's some movies,
even in Titanic, I could be like, oh, that's a
green screen, you know what I mean? And certain.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Obviously Seal had a big budget, which I think I
think our budget was like two million in episode. To
be honest, I think it was too Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm pretty sure it should which goes pretty quickly when
you're making a huge show like Scandal. We have a
lot of characters, we have a lot of costumes, we
have a lot of locations, we have a lot a lot,
a lot of things going on. But I don't think
Scandal was like at Titanic level by any means. And

I think our ship looked fucking dope. Our green screens
so good, that Lincoln Memorial looks so good. And then
it goes in so we get the case of the week,
which is this rich ass dude, Harold Pierce, played by uh,
his name is Chelsea Ross.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
That's so interesting.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Chelsea's Chelsea spelled c h E L c I E.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
He's this rich dude who seems to be having this
total life crisis where he's divorced his old bag of
a wife and he's fucking this blonde ass play way
bunny and he lives in this mansion and he's driving
a motorcycle inside and he's naked and he's in his pajab.
He's like he just seems to have lost his mind

and he's not going to pass on the business to
his son. There's all this shit. Yeah, and the best
scene is Harrison. Harrison is running lead on this because
Olivia is stuck at the White House dealing with this
senator who publicly messed up and whatever, and she's like, Harrison,
you got this, you can run lead on this. And Harrison,
we're all looking to him, like all of us misfits.

And he's like, let's hop to I'm lead on this.
And we make fun of him and he says, fine,
team instead of like let's go people, we're giving him
a hard time.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's so key, yeah, yeah, and Olivia is like, you
got this, you can handle this, you can handle in coming.
And he's so great. He's so great in this episode. Also,
Chelsea Ross real quick. Chelsea Ross was in a horror
film called Drag Me to Hell, which is an amazing
horror film. He was also, yeah, it's so good.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
What are bad horror films?

Speaker 1 (14:57):
There's some, there's there's some, there's some bad ones. There's Bear.
Bear was pretty bad. No, Bear was fun to watch.
He was also he was also in Basic Instinct. We
all know Basic instinct. Yeah, and he was in the
movie Rudy. I don't know if you guys have seen Rudy.
I love Rudy so much.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
What did you play Rudy?

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, he played a guy named Dan Devine. I lied, Actually,
I just lied on the podcast Katie. I've never seen Rudy.
I just feel like everybody really loves that movie, and
every time I talk about it or people mention it,
I'm like, I love that movie and I've never fucking
seen it. I'm so sorry, you guys. I literally just
straight up lied on the podcast.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
You want so many movies. You want so many movies.
You watched so many.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Movies twice, You've watched I Love Lucy probably one million times,
you know, every single and you can't find time to
watch to watch Rudy.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
God damn it. And I love what's his name from
the Goonies? What the fuck is his name? Oh?

Speaker 3 (16:04):
My god, he's and he's in.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Patty Hurst's Son. He's fucking He's in Lord of the
fucking a.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
He's such a good actor.

Speaker 1 (16:13):

Speaker 3 (16:16):
God, he's adorable.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Then what happens, Oh, okay, so we're working the case.
Fitz sees Olivia on TV standing behind the senator that's
been being bad and he's like he can see just
like one half of Olivia Pope's face and he's so
fucking transfixed.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yo. But Tony in that scene when he's watching her,
his acting is really really good. It's really powerful.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
And it's really good.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
He has two moments in this this episode that where
his acting is like quiet and behind the eyes and
so special.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
It's that looking at her eyeball, and then the other
moment through.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yes, yes this really photos. I thought the same thing.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
He gets these surveillance photos of Edison and live like together,
and obviously they're very happy, and he's just like shuffling
the photos and getting more and more angry and desperate
and sad and multuous in the storm and sadness and
depression and hatred and.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
All underheath him.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
And he does such a freaking great job. Quinn and
Huck have so much together in this episode. Oh, it's
vintage Huckleberry.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Quinn is what it is?

Speaker 1 (17:34):
It really is. You are brilliant in this episode. Your
fucking work is so good that first time you walk
in the into Huck's office and you say hey, Huck,
like super like bubbly and happy. I forget what you said.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Whatever you want to punch her in the face?

Speaker 1 (17:50):
What's that drug? Can you believe that? To use drugs
sometimes to knock people out for like ten hours? What's
it called? And Huck is like, what are you talking about?
And then he gives her the name of the drug,
M ninety nine, and he's like, or a torphine a torfe.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Which it's the same thing. Is that a real drub?

Speaker 1 (18:07):
But I don't know. I don't know, But Katie and
then you, Huck answers you and you're like, oh cool,
that's crazy. Can you believe that? And then this camera
stays on you and you walk out and you go
from a smile to like a look of like I
fucking hate or I'm figuring this shit out. Oh it's
so good. It's so good?

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Do you think?

Speaker 2 (18:26):
So I watch it and I'm like, oh, Vey is
mir like she was doing yo.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
But also, Katie, this was an eating moment for me.
For Huck when he's eating that sandwich, Oh my god, wait.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Oh see that's funny.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
I didn't even fucking I've watched this episode twice now,
never even saw that you were eating a sandwich because
clearly I'm a narcissist and was only looking at my
own performance.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
What are you eating and in what scene?

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Oh it's a sandwich. It was probably a turkey on
whole weep toast with lettuce, tomato, mao. Sometimes I would
say mustard because Mayo would fuck up my stomach sometimes,
so if I was shooting but and they put some
chips on the side, that that dairy situation.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
You know you loved a HOGI Huck loved a hogy.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
He loves Who doesn't love a hogy?

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Everybody loves a Hogy, But I feel like he's one
of the few. You don't love a hogy?

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Oh? No, no, I love a Hobey. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
saying I don't not love a hogy.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, because I feel like Huck probably, out of every
character on Scandal ate the most sandwiches.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Oh, because they would always be like, what do you
want to eat? I mean, I guess the sandwich or
a burger is always the most practical on set. But
I would always be like a sandwich, a turkey sandwich,
and I would get so excited.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Okay, then what the hell happens? Okay?

Speaker 2 (19:47):
So Quinn Huck have so much, so many good scenes
because Quinn is on the case. She is on the
case of trying to figure out how she could have
been put out, drugged and taken from pedal lum in
California to Washington, d see with a new identity, and
she's going to figure it out. And she's like playing
two sides of a coin where she's going into Huck's

office and being like, how would you drag a person
and how would you get a person out? How would
you get him on a private plane?

Speaker 1 (20:12):
How would you She has this, Yeah, she has a
super strong feeling that Huck was a part of it,
which I think is it's the first time you kind
of see into Quinn's brain and you're like, oh, she's
fucking good. That's why Olivia, Yeah, saved her, and why
Olivia has her on her team because you're figuring all
this shit out.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I do like that that's kind of smart in this episode, Like, yeah, yeah,
I think that Quinn. I think that Olivia definitely saves
Quinn because she feels bad that she ruined her life
and Jesse Tyler does and all of that. Yeah, But
I do also think that, you know, Quinn is slowly
proving herself with her gut. But in this episode is

the first time you're like, oh, she ain't stupid.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah yeah. And and Huck too, I think, is kind
of like thrown for a loop. I feel I feel
like he's like, oh shit, like is she really putting
all this shit together? Because he knows obvious that he's
the one that did all this stuff to her, which
we find out later. Right, we kind of see all
the stuff that she's talking about play out in real time,
right in a flashback.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
We see in flashbacks that Huck was the one that
was outside of the apartment, you know, that was at
the motel, threw her over his shoulder.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
That's when I shoulder Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
I was like I just kept I remember thinking, please,
just don't fart or ship yourself when you put it
because you guys, but not because you were because I
just was like, oh fuck, don't fart and don't ship yourself.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
To hoist me. I'm more the same height pretty much.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
I'm five sixty five seven and I remember the same weight,
to be honest, especially at that time. Yeah, yeah, up
your own body, put it on your shoulder and walk
a while and sling me in a car that is
not safe.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
I don't know why you do that, wild I did it.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
It was and I think also people that have done
that know that that way of carrying someone is the
easiest way to carry someone. That's why people do it.

Speaker 3 (22:13):

Speaker 1 (22:13):
I think because the weight sort of levels out in
a way where you don't feel it that much. I
could be mistaken, but I believe that's the case. But
that whole time, I was thinking, don't fart, don't start,
don't shit, don't fart. Oh god, did you ever fart?
On set? I farted, So there was times I'd be like, oh,
I just started. I don't nobody realized that.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
No, I think I'm just getting into my public farting age.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeause you were forty.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
On Scandal and I was thirty, so I just think
my life. But was like, I just no, I'm noticing
it like older people just don't care.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
You don't care as much about yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
But you're also you drank so much like tea and
which is really good for your stomach, So I think
you're your stomach was always in a good place.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Party person as it is. I'm just not like I
think you either are or not. I've never and every
I can't believe the amount.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Of farts we've talked about on this episode.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
One My God, people are gonna love it. People are gonna.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
There's a book everybody poops everybody parts.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
I'm not like that farty and some people are just
like I fart a lot, Like there's just like a
lot of farting going on.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
I'm not listen. I'm not that guy that's like, bro,
I just like I don't fart in front of people,
and I'm like, hey, g and crack up like other guys. No,
I only do it. I mostly doing when I'm sleeping.
I'm a big fartist posting Mikey's like you were farting
it up last night, or or if I fall asleep
in the living room, people be like, girl, you just
you were. I was like what?

Speaker 2 (23:46):
And I get so embarrassed each other either, but like
so many people in my life, like he'll kill me whatever.
My brother is like, I refuse they him and his
wife have been together for seventeen years and they part
of each other. He goes, I refuse to live in
a prison, That's what he says, where.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
I can't let and it's very unhealthy. I'm not uld
you're supposed to.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Like, but Adam and I do not far in front
of each other in a prison.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Well, I feel like I'm in a I don't know,
I don't know I'm But Mikey's like he doesn't even ge,
just like we'll be having a conversation and just be like,
oh and continue talking, and I'm like, we'll be right back, guys.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Okay. There's a lot of Quinn and Hawk.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
There's also just such beautiful moments of Harrison and Abby
are the ones who are really outside the crazy Harold
Pearce's mansion, and they're the ones who are really working
the case. They're trying to get him committed for being insane,
and they're the ones that are like on a stakeout
and they're eating chips and talking about their life. Because

Harrison is the one that old Abby like, you shouldn't
be with David Rosen, He's not a good dude, and
sort of led her to the lie that David Rosen
had abused his previous relationship. And and it's just so
sweet between Harrison and Abby.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
They have that slow dancing scene that is.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yes, the sweet, it's the best. They have also have
that moment where Abby is sleeping and Harrison is listening
to her voicemail on her phone. I was like, what
are you doing? Like but I mean that wasn't a
sweet moment, but it was an interesting moment. But that
dance when they dance together, Oh, it's so good.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Ella Fitzgerald playing playing in the background.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yes till the day I or something like that. Yes,
she has the most.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
It's such a beautiful choice. The two of them are
just so lovely. And he's like, you're gonna find a
good dude one day, Abby, and you're like sitting there
just dying inside because you're like, David Rosen was that
good dude?

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah? I know, Well she'll find her way back to him.
She'll find her way back.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Spoiler and only like how Abby can like that that
right before her, the crying tears that are welled up
in her eyes.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
I mean, she's just absolutely.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
And we've got James is like all over defiance, all
these this is why Scandal, so really, all of these
fucking storylines are going on at one time. We've got
Harold Pierce with Abby and Harrison and his like hot
hot new baby baby wife girlfriend who he marries in
the episode.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
That's an amazing part.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Great, they're sending.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Him in a doctor because he's sick, and they actually
send him in a doctor of theology to officiate the
fucking wedding. So now Harold Pierce is married to the
little baby playboy Bunny. Then and then you and I
are like in the office and I'm sniffing out the
Quinn origin story. And then at the same time, James

is like at the White House having dinner for the
resident's birthday, and the fits has this amazing story where
he talks about how the whole election only came down
to three little districts in Defiance, Ohio.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, and James is like.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Wait what this sounds exactly like all the ship that
David Rosen has been telling me.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
And this is really freaking me out. I feel like
this is not.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
And in that scene, seeing the faces of Verna and
Cyrus and Melly, how because they all know obviously that
they stole the election, And when Fitzman mentions Defiance, because
you know, he he says in that in that in
that scene, how all the red states stayed red, all
the blue states stayed blue. And then it was that Defiance,
which was supposed to be a blue state because he

fits is Republican, right, and then it turned red and oh,
it's such a great scene.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
And he's like, that's why you don't believe in polsters.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yes, and there we put you in that white house.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, this is all just a lie.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
But then of course James is like, oh shit, there's
some truth to this, like Rosen is onto something. Let
me jump in on this and figure this out, figure
fucking Defiance out and Cytron and all of that.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
It's so good.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
This episode is so fast and the most amazing part
of the episode. And well, are there any other wait,
hold on, I'm looking at my notes, I'm looking at
my yeah, yeah, Edison, Okay, James is off in Defiance.
After that, he's like working on the voting machines. He's
like playing sleuth. He's like going through every single voting
machine and trying to find the cartridges and the cards

to figure out how it could have been rigged. And
then he finds one voting machine that's been missing that
he can't find, and it's in a school and it's
like behind glass in Defiance, Ohio. And he gets in
there and he's like, please, God, let the card be there.
Please gotta let me be the card there. And the
card is there, and then he runs the numbers and
it's total proof that the election was rigged.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
And Dan Bugatinsky does such a good job.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
He really does. That's why he won the Emmy. He
won the Emmy, right, he.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
Won the Emmy for Best Guest Star that Year, Guest
Star Performance.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
The Emmys we got were Dan Bucatinski Guestar Performance, Joe
Morton Guest Star.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yes, and I think and I think Kate person dominated.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
She might have gotten nominated the I know the show
got nominated for for like the NAACP Awards and for
did we get nominated for SAG? We did? We went
to the We went as a cast to the SAG Awards.
Didn't we want to know? Maybe not.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Kerry got nominated for Best Actress Emmys and Golden Globes
but didn't win. But honestly, in my opinion, just paved
ways for viol like right after you know. But yeah,
So we figure out that he's got hardcore proof that
the election was rigged, and.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Live tells Edison she's all in.

Speaker 1 (30:01):

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Edison gets voted to be the Senator Majority Leader and
he's like, come on, let's go to the President's birthday
gala as my date.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
And he opens the door and could Carrie look fucking hotter?

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Oh that dress? That dress god.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Beautiful or the makeup, the bag? Ah, she's like evening
Senator and it's like so cute.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
And they're in the limo and it's like they're a
real couple and they're so adorable together. At the same time,
they're cutting to Fits and Mellie, who are also in
a limo heading to the same party, and Mellie's acting
like a weirdo. She's like, I just really don't want
to go, and I want to go and I want
to be She's got a really weird feeling.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
And I was just going to say, it's I think
that's an interesting thing. I feel like in a lot
of situations like that, people people have talked about having
gut feelings like that, like Oh, I'm not getting on
this flight. I don't know why, but I'm just not
getting on and then the plane goes down. She had
a feeling something bad was that never was going to happen,
you know, Oh God, do that I.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
The last plane ride I was on, like last week.
It was the worst turbune I've been on probably ten
thousand plane rides. It was the worst turbulence I've ever had.
And I was like, I'm gonna do I'm going to
survive this.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
It was.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I was getting thrown around as if I was on
a fucking roller coaster?

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Are you kidding?

Speaker 3 (31:24):
No? And I was like, my kids thought it was hilarious,
but I was.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
They didn't care.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
You were like, oh, like refusing to sit down, and
I'm like holding them down, and the the flight attendants
are bearing down that I mean, no one was allowed.
It was awful for hours, not just like a little stink.
It was like five or ten minutes. It was horrendous.

Speaker 1 (31:45):

Speaker 3 (31:46):
I was in the back of the plane.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Steerage by the toilets, getting flung around.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
It was awful. And I was like rinking, why again,
were drinking?

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Didn't have some wine? They weren't.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, because they couldn't even be up or about It
was fuck fucking terrible anyway, So, yes, Melli has a
really bad feeling. But wait real quick before this part,
Quinn figures it out. Yeah, she comes in and she
nails it. She's like I called the flight records, and
there is a flight record that, uh, there was a

private plane that was flown from Petaluma to Washington, d C.
On the night that I was taken. And I think
that someone was someone like you or it was you,
because the plane was registered to Verna Thornton.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
And it's like.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Ding ming, we got it. Yeah, so we figured out
how Quinn Perkins is no longer Lindsay Dwyer and she's
Quinn Perkins.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
And then what is what is Huck's reaction there? I
don't remember what is he is?

Speaker 3 (32:45):
He does he like, didn't I already tell you? I
don't watch you in the scenes.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
I only watch my admit.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
I think Hawk gave some sort of classic amazing Garamau
Hawk reaction where you're doing three things, No, you're doing
three things at once.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
You're a little I watched this episode like five times
and I'm like, how do I not remember that moment? Like,
what was Huck's reaction to that?

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Got moments and scandal, I mean, for a forty two
minute show, it is.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Chocked so many fucking moments.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
So she's saying, don't get out of the car, don't
get out of the car, don't get out of the
car and they get out of the car.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
And he's like, sometimes you can't get everything you want,
which is a line that she says to him earlier.
And she's just like devastated, like ugh, and he gets
out of the car.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
He's like, buck up, I don't always want to do
everything I have to do either. Yeah, and we're going
and he gets out of the car and bang, h shot.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
What thehuck? What the remember? Isn't that the hashtag that
started like in the next episode A couple of episodes down, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Forgot about the hashtag. What the houck? Geez? You blinators
and your hashtags were genius.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Y'all were good.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
And I'm going, I can't believe they shot the president.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
I was talking to a writer about Scandal and they
were like they they told me the moment they realized
that Scandal was absolutely genius was they were talking to
friends and they were saying at the time, they were like,
you know, this show is going to be so awesome
at some point down the road, you know, I could
see them even like shooting the president. And he was

like and then it happened that night, wow, meaning like
he just was like, Scandal was never afraid of story.
It never held on to huge plot points and waited
for them to come down the road.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
It was like, yeah, we were fucking.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
In it and going one hundred and ten million miles
an hour with big choices and making big swings from this.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
It was unpredictable. It was unpredictable, which is what keeps
the show going. I think that's what keeps people coming back, right, and.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Even seven, So that's that's fourteen episodes of this show
have been made and aired and we just shot the president.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yes, yeah, but even for us, right, we were always like, fuck,
we don't know what. I don't know what's going to
happen to my character. They could kill me off always,
you know, you hope they don't, but anything can happen.
That's what made it so exciting.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah, when he gets shot, it's Tom Verica did such
an amazing job. Doesn't it feel like fucking frightening? And
it feels like you're there. It feels like you're like
in the crowd, like it.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Feels how he did that.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
I don't know enough about shooting to know you're director
that I am, but it felt like you're there.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, and it's fucking it just gets catches you off guard.
It's Oh, it's so good, It's so scary. It's so
scary when you see him get hit and then he
falls and.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Then like she's like screaming and there's like multiple shots,
and I'm when we have Tom Verica on I've we
have to ask him about the Trail, which was his
first episode in season six episodes of season one, and
then we have to ask him about how he shot
this scene because I I think it's done so well,

Like I love that it's not close up unfits, like
it just really feels like I imagine scarily what a
shooting would feel like in a public place where there's
a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, God, could you Oh man? I was thinking to Kate,
I was like, I wonder what Jackie O NASA's was
feeling in the car. Did she have a weird feeling
because you know, women have really good intuition and good
gut instincts, So I was I was thinking about that.
I was like, I wonder if he had any sort
of odd feeling like before they left their the house

or or what have you. If she was like, oh,
this doesn't feel right. I wonder I wonder you know.
I mean, I don't.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Know, but I feel that way now every time I'm
in like public group settings. It's like if something ever like,
I'm just it sucks. I hate that I have to
feel that way, but I totally do. Remember did you
and I when we were in d C. Didn't we
go to one of the stops when we did this,
Like we talked about it on the Tony Goldwin guest
episode where we did like a big nighttime tour of
DC and we stepped all the monuments. Didn't we stop

at the booth theater where Abe Lincoln was shot?

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Oh? Yeah, we sure did we Did we have photos
in front of you?

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yes? Yeah, Like that's insane.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
And that was back in the day they were fucking
assassinating presidents.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
I just I can't, I can't.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Oh yeah, I just think this episode is so great
and everyone, as per usual, does look great.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
And our guest stars are so good. Y'all got to
go and watch the Bad Seed, like and Rudy. I'm
gonna do the same. I'm gonna fucking watch Rudy. I'm
so sorry for lying you guys, and and whataby.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Tuna fun facts from the episode M ninety nine, The
drug that Quinn learns about from Huck is the same
drug that Dexter uses when he knocks out his victims.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Did you watch Dexter?

Speaker 1 (38:02):
I watched a little bit. I watched. I did like
a la carte situation with Dexter. I would have watched
an episode here and there, but I never watched the
whole series three. But I loved the episodes I watched.
I mean, it was great, He's so good. I was
also thinking watching the episode, I was like, oh shit,
like I was. I was so into watching James figure
out the cytron and defiant situation, and I was like,

why did I not? How is this all so new
to me? And I think it was because whenever we
would watch the episodes, we were always tweeting. We had
to live tweet yep so so many I mean, we
would be on set shooting, but then we would go
watch it together or separate, but we were always live tweeting.
So I never fully fully watched the episodes, you know

what I mean? And now like I'm able to do that,
which I.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
The same way, like, there were so many parts of
the episodes where I would be just buried in my phone.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
That we would missing Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Tweet Twitter, tweeter Twitter, speaking of tweeters, tweet twitch tweet
speaking of tweeters, Guys, some of the scandal tweets of
the time.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Right, Well, let's see Donna Harold at Donna j Harold.
She says, just check the liquor cabinet. My patron is missing,
either Fits or for to one one has been there?
Who's four one one has been here? Bastard's hashtag scandal.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Wait, Fits didn't drink patron?

Speaker 1 (39:27):
I know drank, didn't fitz whisky? He drank whisky.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, yeah, Donna Harold, but whatever, You're cute. Lou Velli
Creole at Lovely Creole on November twenty ninth, twenty twelve.
Can Live keep her game face on throughout scandal? Will
the President punch Lives new boo in the face hashtag scandal.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
I don't think. Oh, did Fits and Edison ever have
a scene together?

Speaker 1 (39:51):
I don't remember. I don't remember. But also I don't
know if we talked that that moment where Olivia realizes
that Fits endorse Edison, right, in a sense, he sort
of endored, which is the sign that he's let Olivia go. Oh,
the look on Carrie's face and her acting in that scene.

It was so good.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
It's okay for him to be the Senate majority.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah. Yeah, so Big Bob at b s, I'm not listen.
Big Bob tweeted, I may get my man card pulled
for this, but I'm addicted to Scandal and I'm not
going to rehab. You shouldn't, man, you shouldn't. Let's see
Patrick Swainey, Patrick sweezy but not so. Scandal went and

got superbly thrilling while I had my back turn there
fucking aces this show like a sexy and murderous The
Good Wife. Yeah. I never watched the.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Watch that's Christine Baranski.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Right, Yeah, who I love. But our shows better. Never
what I said our show's better. I've never seen it either,
but I have a feeling our show's better.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
I feel so much better.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Miss original it, Miss Masila says hashtag Scandal so good.
Olivia and the President should defo be together.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
I don't get that.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Vanity Smurf yes, says So I'm trying to come up
with a drinking game for Scandal. What should the rules be?

Speaker 2 (41:21):
My drinking game with Scandal was whenever anyone, says QR
recognition software.

Speaker 1 (41:28):

Speaker 3 (41:28):
We ever, when we.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Were on set and we were doing like a big
episode that had a lot of hacking. Anytime that anyone
said QR facial recognition software, you had to drink.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Oh my god? Was it often? I guess it was? Right.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yeah, there was a few episodes where I feel like you.
They're much later on, it's like you. And when Josh
Molina became one of us for like a second, Oh yeah,
a lot of QR facial recognition software, which I have
no fucking clue what the hell.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
That is, but drink everybody.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Next episode is called Happy Birthday, Mister President.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Happy. Oh that's better. That was really good.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Well, and then in this next episode we're gonna see
everything that happens after the president gets shot.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Happy Birthday Mister President is so amazing, guys. Obviously, G
and I could talk for fuck ever. So I hope
you guys are finding this entertaining, informational, breaking up the
monotony of your day.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
We love It'll be a prisoner at home and let
those parts out, let that gas outs rip.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
And I don't even take.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
My own advice, guys, what's same?

Speaker 3 (42:46):
You know, who are the prisoners in their own homes me.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
And g Gues, Me and Katie.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
Thank you guys so much for listening. We love you.
Stay tuned for more.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
I love you guys.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Thank you and bye bye.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Thank you guys for joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox.
If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe, share with your friends, rate,
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Speaker 2 (43:09):
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Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and editor is
Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
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