July 4, 2024 • 44 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in
partnership with Higheartradiots and Katie. What's up, y'all? Listen? Not
(00:34):
only do we have an amazing episode, but before we
break it down, we're gonna talk to Tony goo goo
goo goold wind, good good wind. And we're just gonna
get some you know, chatting with him and see what's
up with him.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And also you are all obsessed with him, so we
can't do we We try to bring you what you want.
We try to listen to our glady, your fans, and
you all just want Tony all the dang time. So
here he is.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Take you off, Tony, take your shirt off.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Wait, Tony, we don't want to keep you for everybody.
I really need to like dig your brain. Can you
talk to us about Oppenheimer and how that was to
shoot and all of that. Gee, did you see it?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I haven't seen it yet? Can you believe it? I
have to watch it. I'm going to, oh see it.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
You'll like it. It's a really good movie and.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I'm obsessed with it. And he would want to know
how your experience was working on and our listeners tell
us about it.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah, it's really a good movie. I loved it. I looked, man,
I was. I was so excited when I got a
call saying, oh, Christopher Nolan wants to talk see this
part in his movie.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
And it's pretty funny because I said, well, what's the
part and they said, we don't really know that. It's
a it's a guy who was the chair of this
committee of you know, and here he was a real person.
And they give me the name and they said, there's
no you can't read a script until you say yes
and your deal is done. That's like the way Chris works.
So I was like, oh, was it a big part
(02:03):
of a small.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Part of this?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Well they're saying it's a good part, but we don't
really know, and I say, yeah, so I you know,
so I go in and do it and and but
it was. It was an incredible cast, Oh my god.
And it was really thrilling for me because I admired
Chris's work so much. He's like a bucket list director.
And I was about to start directing my film Ezra,
(02:26):
which I did it right after that was just coming
out in May.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Thirty First.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Baby kind of Ali Rose Bern vera for me anyway, Yes,
I'm so so it was really inspiring to work with him.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
He I get this.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
So the way that Chris works, there's like it's super efficient.
There is no cell phones allowed anywhere even nearer the set,
no devices at all. No one goes back to their trailers.
Everyone is like, there are no stand ins and other
words for the listeners.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I love.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
What often happens in a set is the actors. There's
a lot of time, you know, you rehearse a scene,
and then while they're getting the cameras set up, they're lighting,
and they have what are called stand ins, which are
actors who come in and walk your part, like all
of a stand The three of us would have a
stand in to stand there while they're lighting, because it's
kind of exhausting to stand there and do it. And
then when the things all lit, the stand ins go
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away and the actors come back and do the scene.
So but he doesn't use any stand ins, so either
a crew member just stands in for an actor or
the actor. They say, Tony, we need you to stand,
and you're just you know, so we can light so things.
There's no video village, which is the place where all
the producers watch the because he waste time.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
He feels it's a waste of time.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Is he just watching? He's watching.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
There's no video village, which is the place for listeners.
This is the place where like they have video monitors,
where all the producers and everybody gathers around next to
the set to watch. He doesn't allow any of that,
so no one sees what's happening except for him. He
stands by the camera the entire day, from the first minute.
He's right next to the camera. He has a little
tiny cassio monitor with a antenna he's probably had for
(04:09):
twenty five years, and he has round his necks and
you sort of check the shot on a screen. But
he just stands by this which is what directors used
to do all the time before fancy video monitors. And
he's just there on set and his script tub advisor
who's next door, has a little monitor you know that
he watches.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Other than that.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
And then the other thing is there's no last looks,
which to again to lay people, what that means is
that typically before every time the camera rolls, they say okay,
last looks, and then the makeup and hair people come
in and touch up the actors before every shot, which
takes a few minutes every single time, so over a
day you used to lose hours, you know, of people
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fussing with your hair and your makeup for no reason,
and he doesn't allow any of it. So there's no
last looks. So if there's a problem and he sees it,
or the dpcs that, or an actor needs something, then
the makeup person is standing drastic him in and fix
it and address it if someone smell.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
So it was like super efficient.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
So as a result, everyone is hyper focused the entire time,
and you move incredibly quickly and everyone's like right there
because the actors have to be very nearby because you
never know someone's gonna go, oh, you know Katie, Chris
wants you on set to for to stand in.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
And so you're like, oh, you run.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Like this and all the actress hang out in an
adjacent room because there's nobody's on cell phones, so everyone
talks to each other and you so you meet all
these super cool people and it was very inspiring.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
That is so exciting.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
He's like brilliant too, because so there was that.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
All that bullshit that we get caught up with as
actors because I remember even on Scandal and other shows, right,
if they didn't come up to us to give us
last looks, we'd be like, can I get last looks?
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Like even if you didn't need it, just to be like,
I wouldn't feel like I'm important or you know what
I mean, like I'm taking care of yea, all that
bs that we get caught up that he is just
eliminates on his set.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I love that so much. And stand ins too. Back
in the day when you did indie films, we didn't
have any standings. You would just stay there yourself and let.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Them union thing like I tried when I did Ezra,
my my film that that I did, I tried to
eliminate standings and I got in con trouble with the union.
They can't do that really taking a lot of jobs away,
So I can't Universal. Universal must have paid, you know,
they must have. I can only think they hired stand
(06:32):
ins and just never used them because you know this
that you have, you have.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
To hire stand ins. Wow.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Yeah, at least that I was in the New York
So maybe it's not the l A Union, but the
New York SAG in New York was like no that's
not an option. Wow.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Great, I'm super excited about Ezra.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
So yeah, as you mentioned, so it's Bobby Conna Valley
and Robert de Niro and Rose Byrne and will Be
Goldberg and viewa Farmiga and ring Will and this brilliant
young actor, a teenage actor named William Fitzgerald who is
autistic because he's the title character. He plays an autistic
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eleven year old boy. Yeah, it's a movie that was
written by my oldest and dearest friend, Tony Spiritoctus, who
you guys might have met at some point along the
Scandle years. But Tony has an autistic son and wanted
to write a movie about his experience when his son, Dimitri,
was like eleven years old and they went through a
really tough time and then Tony's marriage broke up, and
(07:35):
so this is the story of Bobby plays a stand
up comic who's going through a divorce, and their eleven
year old son who's super brilliant but really having problems
in school and keeps getting thrown out of school and
finally gets thrown out of his final school and the experts.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Are saying he's a danger to himself.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
He needs to be heavily medicated and put in a
special school, and the mother Rose his characters, just trying
to hold it all together. And Bobby, who's probably on
the spectrum himself, who's now living in his dad's house,
who de Niro plays, who's also this very eccentric cut
Bobby becomes convinced that the system is trying to destroy
his son and he's not having it, and he says,
(08:14):
no fucking way, and he takes his kid in the
middle of the night and without telling anyone, takes him on,
puts him in the car, and takes him on a
road trip across the country, and meanwhile finds out he's booked,
even booked on Jimmy Kimmel, who he's like, We're going
to La to be on Kimmel, and no one knows
where he is.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
So the police get involved, and there's like an amberle.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
It gets very crazy, and so de Niro and Rose
go across country together to try and find them before
the police can get them. And it's really a love
story between this father and his boy and this kid
who William is just brilliant, who never acted before, and
we found this really young autistic kid who was just amazing.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
And do you have like an open call? Did you
guys have an open call?
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Yeah, we did like a nationwide search for you in Canada.
And yeah, Kerry Barton and Paul shna Or Casting Jork
just did this whole search and with through all these
autism communities that you know, organizations to try and find
a kid, and we saw a hundred kids and and
William at the very last minute, you know, sending a
tape piece from Montclair, New Jersey, and he was just
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I was like, I think weeks before we started to
have a super excited.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
My god, Yeah, where does it come out?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
And how can it comes out to movie theaters?
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Movie theaters May thirty first. Wow, So you'll be hearing
more from me about that.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Oh, I can't wait to see this.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I'll let you guys do a scream. We'll start.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yes, well not only that, not only Ezra Tony is
joining the Law and Order universe. Yes, so freaking amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
How does that feel? Did you start shooting?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Is fun? It's a scandal. I doubt it.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
No, no, no, it's nice. You know what it has?
It does have.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
So I'm replacing this in the same waters. Sam Waterston
sort of iconic character in the New District Attorney. So
and uh it's fun, I mean, which I just didn't
like two days, you know, so far. But Hugh Dancy,
who I love, is whereas you know, sort of the
the DA that I work with most closely. And uh,
(10:22):
and what it's cool. The thing that's similar is there's
a very familial environment to the Law and Order world,
you know, which is everyone's super nice, super happy to
be there. It's very family oriented and chill and so's
it is like Scandal in that way.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Did you ever did you ever do Law and Order
like when you first started acting Tony like as a
guest star.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Now I feel like to any of us episode you did.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah, I directed an episode like and I think, god,
it was a long time, like almost twenty years in
two thousand and six.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Of the original Law Sam.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, the original of Sam and many Parice was in it,
and Dennis Farino was one of the cops. Remember Dennis, Yeah,
such a great actor. And and Jesse Bradford was that
his name was the other cop. Yeah and yeah, all
these amazing actors were the guest stars in it. And uh,
and then I did a four episode arc of Criminal intent,
(11:14):
played Vincedinofrio's crack Addicted Brother.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Criminals. I played on Law and Order on all of it.
Oh my god, a drug dealer. I was a murder
I've worn all the different colors of the of the
prison suits. Orange. I think it was just art.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Oh my god, were you Were you a criminal in
the organized crime? Uh?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
No, I was a detective, which is super very interesting,
very different. But I did the Law and Order when
Christopher k Nooth Big from Sex and the City Katie
was still in the show.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah yeah, Chris was the original you know detective.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Ever done anything on it? Really, I think that they're
saving me for you know, like they're saving me or
like something. Hey guys, I.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Think after I think I need to whisper into a couple.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Of that can. It's available in a little bit. I
am available. I would love to do it. I would
love to work in New York. I love working in
New York. I've never done that show. I auditioned a
million times when I was first starting out, didn't book it,
and then I got offered a thing and I turned
it down. I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Poo poo poo, poo hoo.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Boo.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yes, but it was right after Scandal had ended and
I had a brand new baby. It's a lot of
crying because you're like, oh my god, I like can't
like I just don't have it in me.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I ki'd just done that last episode fifteen days, yes
from Scandal, where you were like handcuffed right in like
a seller, and I had just I.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Was and I was like, I just need a comedy
or like something that's sunny. I just don't want to
do it right now. Sorry, Law and Order, come back again,
knock on my door, call my agent. But wait, my
friend read Scott who is he's one oar with you.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
We're so good.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
We are we see each other in the mornings every
day because we go to the same school. And I
was like, you are the luckiest dog, like you get
to work with Tony Gold when he was like, he
is the nicest because I can't imagine what it would
feel like to walk on to a set like a
lawn order that's been around for a like and how
do people feel? But like you said, he said, no,
(13:36):
everyone is so nice, so welcoming, so professional. Tony fit
in like everybody else, like it wasn't you.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Know that first scene actually was with with Reed and
uh and macad was the other nice was actually mccond
Brooks was on He was on Supergirl, which was Anna's
first job as a writer, my daughter, so they I
was like, mccon actually we met because my daughter Anna
was on super writing for Supergirl, and he was like,
(14:03):
oh my god, that's right. So they were super sweet
and wow, I love Read's work, he said so. And
it's unusual for the attorneys on Law and Order or
not usually with the cops, but my first, my introductory
scene is with them, which was kind of fun.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So you are the greatest. Thank you for coming back
on Unpacking the Toolbox. I love you guys, president too
until Melly becomes our president.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
And it's the only remember about living in New York
because I never get to see you guys, I know,
I know.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, Well, I need to do a Broadway trip real bad.
I had one booked and then we had to cancel it.
But I need to do like a week of theater.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
There's some good stuff going, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
And I have so many friends and things that I've
just been bailing and like not going and I like
really need to go see yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Test just did a really great show.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Daughters tested this some beautiful production of this Polish play
at Damn the Brooklyn Academy of Music. It was so
good they just closed.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Acting.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
She was great.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Yeah, and then they were like, it was this cool,
really interesting director who sort of was like Evil Van Hover,
you know, the sort of experimental European. He's a Ukrainian guy,
and it was really cool that he's actress from the
Moscow Art Theater.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
We're in it. It's a very international cast. It was
very cool.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
That's so cool.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
She's mental highly regarded theater. That's so cool. It was
awesome for her.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
How's Jane. How's Jane?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Jane's good, great, Yes, she's kind of taking a break.
And she worked up until the strike and then and
then just you know, chilling.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It's nice. She's doing great, though.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I'll tell you, Please tell her.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I tell your daughters. We say hi. We love you
so much.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Babies and Adam and Mikey and yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, life is happening. What the hell? You will be
my first call when I come to New York, which
hopefully is very soon. We will be back with more
after the break. We love you, Tony, Thank you so much.
For coming back on Unpacking the Tube. Tony, you're the greatest. Okay, gee,
(16:22):
are you ready to do this?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Let's do it. I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Let's break down this episode. People are getting down in
scandaland we've got Andrew and Melly like on the Rise.
We obviously have Fits and Olivia on the Rise. We
have Harrison and Odd Non Salif going at it. We've
got Huck and Quinn like this season. Essentially, it's just
like everyone's having sex. Abby and David Rosen are having sex.
(16:49):
Like it's just a lot. Like I keep watching these
episodes and being like, oh my god, yeah, we're in
another sex scene. We're in another sex scene. This is
a ten PM show, y'all. Okay, okay, okay. Today we're
talking about episode three twelve, which was called We Do
Not Touch the First Ladies. It aired on I love
that title, and I loved he came out in the episode.
(17:10):
More on that later. It aired on March sixth in
twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And it was written by Heather Mitchell and directed by
the Oliver Bolkelberg, who was also our DP on the
show Yes We Love Him.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Love, and it was guest starring Greg Henry as Hollis Doyle,
John Tenny is Governor Andrew Nichols, Candy Alexander as Maya Lewis,
Nazanine Bodiati as Adnan.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Salif, Brian Lesher is Tom Paul Addlstein as Leo Bergen,
and Laura Laurence Demil as Carlos Steele and Jennifer Peo
as Vanessa Chandler.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And let me jog my memory because I watched a
couple episodes back to back that we're so good, and
I'm like, wait, wait, wait, hold up, what happens in
this one?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yes? Me too.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
The Grands campaign is threatened when a reporter comes forward
with a story about drug use in the Governor's mansion
before Fitz ran for president. Andrew takes the blame, but
flashbacks reveal that Melly to end her life after being
assaulted by Jerry Grant.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Meanwhile, Quinn wants to be in on B six thirteen's
plans but gets sidelined until she proves her worth, and
Huck seems to try to keep apologize to Olivia until
we learn that he feels like the Quinn situation was
actually Olivia's fault, and in the end, all is good.
Except for odd non Salif and Mama Pope are working together.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Okay, so like this episode was fucking great, but we're
we're we've got the ticket. The ticket is Fits and
Andrew are gonna run together. They've been boys, they've been
bros for one hundred years research and they're like, holy shit,
we can't have Andrew on the ticket. He's got to
(18:42):
get off the ticket because he got delivered like a
bunch of oxy or something to the Governor's mansion twenty
years ago when they found out that he was working
with like a sketchy doctor. And then it's like we
learn that he's just taking the fall for Melly. Melly
actually got the delivery of those drugs, took them all
and tried to kill herself after Jerry SR raped her.
(19:05):
Nightmare not great, Germo, What did you think of this episode?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Katie? What I thought of this episode? I put into
a stream of consciousness?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
You did not, dinghy?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I sure? Did you want to hear it?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Resident Unpacking the Toolbox Poet?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Check this out, y'all, Episode three twelve, Stream of Consciousness.
This fight, this fight, it's real, It's so real real.
Are we in my living room right now? Nope, nope,
it's just a show just to show people. But it's
so good. She is not a hen or a prize.
She's a queen, is what she is. Fits You better
get them socks on and get to get your dudes
are right outside. You have a country to run. Scanadle
(19:41):
cut to Melly Melancholy, Melly, the flashback, the pain, the rage,
the guilt, the Bob. It's all there, oozing out of
Bellamy through Melly Melancholy Melly. But Fitz can't know, He
can never know, except for the Bob. He knows about
the Bob. Harrison and Oddnan almost too hot for scandal,
Almost Langston and Doyle. It's like the devil looking at
her stuff in the mirror. I want energy, secretary pick,
(20:02):
says Doyle. Hail Satan. They can't say no. They can't
say no, Hail Satan. We're in Oba, people boarding Nichols.
The powers that be are apparently trying to expose Andrew's
prescription drug use. What evs let he who has not
sinned cast the first stone? Ooop? What's that? I hear? Crickets? Yep,
but what did you expect in this pile of hoodlums? Okay,
this is freaking crazy. Live is at dinner with Dad,
(20:23):
acting like she cares to get something out of him,
but he knows what's up. Lives all later pops Worth
a shot. Meanwhile, Quinn is fine on Homegirl with binoculars
from her car. Live sees and gets sin. Come on, Perkins,
But Quinn done lost her mind as she told Olivy
to get out or she'll shoot her. Say what I can't?
I can't, but yo, these flashbacks with melancholy melli are
(20:43):
killing me. But that Bob looking fierce. You know what
they say is better to look good than to feel good.
That's my motto. Oh I digress looks like Andrew cares
for he really he really does. Wait could it be
the Bob? Nah, he really cares? And the fuck is
it with Huck in this coffee bringing business? Hey, Huck,
here's a napkin. You got a lot of bit of
crazy on your face. Do you know what else is crazy?
All this? Pooplius Rosen and Carlos Steel drama, A trunk
(21:05):
a man, a love call? Please make it stop or
make it go faster and harder? Okay, Abby, I see
you here with the save uh Huck with more coffee
for live. Does she take that coffee with sugar? Nope?
Oh well how about a dollar of truth Ooh yum,
just perfect? Thanks Hucks, sorry Live your move, Her, Her, her,
Melly and Andrew in front of her, her portrait, the Legend,
(21:27):
the class, the Grace, Camelot, JFK, the loss, so much loss,
but still standing, still hanging in the House of White Jackie.
Oh damn, this show is crazy.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Guirmo, What the fuck you have to publish these.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
You?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
We need to get this motherfucker a book agent, a
poet agent. These should be public. I mean, this was
so good, Ghirmo. Okay, multiple notes. Favorite scenes of yours.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Gee, oh my god, there were so many. Well listen.
Right at the top was one of my favorite scenes
where we see fits in Olivia in a huge fight,
and it's one of the first times that I thought,
oh shit, these people are like it felt like I
was like it was me and my living room with
my partner fighting. It felt so real and I love
(22:23):
that like they were mad at each other, they.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Were so mad, they were so mad and he and
I was like, he says, shut up and let me talk,
which I actually like gasped out loud. I was like,
holy shit, like a real couple. Yes, like a real couple.
And then she says, like she did this thing. Olivia says,
I have a desire to wake up and face myself
in the mirror. My whole life is not about.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You, yes, and she's all, I'm not a hen. I
am not a prize, which I love.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I'm not a hen in your hen house. It was
really it was great because you can see how it's
like people fighting and sleeping together. It's like same sides
of I mean, different sides of the same coin or whatever,
and like you could see how passionate they get and
how like crazy yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
And then but then we cut to you know, his
whole security detail right outside her door, listening to the
fight with Jake, and Jake is there and they're talking
about Jake, you know what I mean. So there's that
uncomfortable situation. Once they you know, exit the apartment and
Jake's all dumb right here.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Crazy, we cut back to this flashback fourteen years ago,
Like we're seeing Mellie and Andrew. They're flirting a lot,
They're doing all this kind of thing. Oh, we also
see this is where we learn like This is the
episode where we see Harrison and Odd non sleeve like
getting out of bed. Is Nazanine BONIOTTI kidding with how
pretty she is?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Is she freaking gorgeous or what?
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
My god, she's so hot. Listen, I'm wild gay as
the day is long, but that lady is gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
And Katie, the chemistry between her and Columbus short, I
don't know what it is, but listen, those two connected
on a level that was beyond just acting like it was.
It was. That chemistry was real good. Yeah, it was
almost as good as Quinn. Almost almost.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
We'll give them a B plus.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yes, correct.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Oh you kept kept giving live coffee in this episode.
You were so pathetic.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I know, he was so pathetic, Like what the fuck, Huck?
What is going on? He was going through it.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I think, why and explain why you keep doing this
which I thought you killed yet. Were you happy with
your ending scene or were you like wah wah.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Listen, I was a little bit on want whah. You
know that that was actually that was one of the
scenes that I was like, freak. I wish I would
have done it again because I would have done as
I was watching, and I was like, I would have
done something different, but I was still happy with it.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Honey, I got tons of those. I got tens of
hundreds of those.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So he keeps bringing Olivia a cup of coffee because.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
He looks like a shitty cup of coffee.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
It looks like a shitty cup of coffee. I want,
what does she drink? I feel like Alicia doesn't doesn't
drink coffee. I feel like she drinks tea?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Right, does she doesn't?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Feel Yeah, I feel like she's a tea. Maybe that's
why she kept giving him that look like homeboy, why
you keep bringing me this latte from freaking the corner
coffee shot? I'm going to drink this. Yeah, I wish
there was a shot of all the cups of coffee
that he gave her, like lined up like somewhere in
her in her office.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
But I think he's doing that.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
It's it's like a it's like a way for him
to apologize and say or I think he explains and
he says that this is what you do when you
want to say sorry to someone right, or to someone
that you love, or something like that, because doesn't he
want to apologize for what he did to Coin.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
He's bringing your coffee to say I'm really sorry about Quinn. Yes,
and she says, I'm mad at you. You went too
far with Quinn. And he says, no, you went too far.
You went too far. You gave her to me, you
put her under my wing, you made me do all
this shit and like her, Yes, essentially losing her mind
(26:20):
and leaving Opa and being part of the six thirteen
is all on.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
You, exactly. Yeah. And and also, just to explain to
the listeners, before this is when we see Huck and
and and Quinn and he has her all taped up,
and he and with the pliers and he's you know,
he pulls her mole a out and and he licks
her face. All of that happens before this, and that's
why Olivia is like, you went too far. You did No,
(26:43):
you did no, you did?
Speaker 4 (26:45):
You did?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
You did.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
My favorite part is I Love and Scandal when the
title comes up in the episode in some creative way,
and so it says we do not this is called
we do not touch the First Ladies or whatever. Yes,
And there's an amazing scene where Melly is standing in
the room in the White House where there's all the
portraits of the first Ladies before her, and they're looking
(27:09):
at Jackie. Oh, and it's so like sixties and it
looks so cool and things are painted so differently, and
she's looking at all of them. And Andrew sexy sexy
John Tenny comes in and they're flirting mcflirterson's and then yes,
you know, he goes to like touch the painting or something,
and she's like, ah, like, we don't touch the first ladies.
(27:31):
But you realize they're really talking about, like we don't
touch her body, not like things.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yes, yes, yes, but also I love when Mellie leaves
the scene and then Andrew goes and like like touches
the painting.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Have you ever done that before?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Oh, if somebody tells me not to do something and
they're like, don't touch that, my only thought after somebody
tells me not to do something is I have to
do this. I know I have to do it.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I feel like when I was little, I did this,
which is not okay, but I feel like I've definitely
in like art museums before and like have done a
sort of Andrew moment where I like tapped a corner
of like some art installation that you weren't allowed touch.
Oh one hundred percent. I always have thoughts of if
I'm at Niagara Falls jumping off, or if I'm in
front of a huge famous painting like the Mona Lisa,
(28:19):
or We've been to DC and we looked at the
Portrait Gallery and I've seen all these first Lady paintings
and just like running at them with an axe, like
those are the two.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
You are insane. You are insane. But listen, I've had
those thoughts too. Sometimes. Do you ever feel like people
are gonna be like these two motherfuckers are crazy?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Oh yeah, I think they already think that we're okay.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I think they think that already they know that I'll
be waiting to cross the street and a huge truck.
I'll see a huge truck on its way across in
front of me, and I'm like, what if I jumped
in front of the truck?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Oh hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
And it's not like I want to kill myself. I'm
just like, what if I Just you.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Just like play it out in your brain like it's
just there's I'm an intersection right by my house that's
like pretty intense, and I'm always like, what if I,
like miss judge like I made this left and I
get completely like clipped by an eighteen wheeler or whatever. Like,
you know, I think it's very normal. I think it's
very and I think everybody thinks these things. They just
(29:12):
don't talk about it, and we do because we're nuts.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Exactly exactly. Another scene, Katie that I loved was the
scene Hollis Doyle is in this episode and there's a
scene where he goes to meet with Leo Bergen and
Sally Langston and he's like, they're gonna work together, right,
and he's like, I want secretary of What is it
that he wants? Oh? Well, energy?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
He wants secretary of energy because Hollis Doyle is an
oil tycoon. Tycoon?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Is that yeah, I think that's the word. It sure is.
But I love the dynamics between those three. It's so
funny and and just the lines. I think. Hollis Doyle
at one point says, listen, all our britches are moist,
so let's just get to the point. He's so freaking
from what a pig.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
In this episode, he's doing such a good job because
he's playing both camps. He's essentially going over to the fits,
you know, ticket and being like, you give me, you know,
Secretary of Energy, and I'm going to write you a
check like no one's ever seen before. And then they
invite him to the big fancy dinner and then he
but before that he was in Sally Langston's camp with
Leo Bergen saying like, I'm gonna write you all a
(30:21):
big fat check as long as you give me secretary.
But he's playing a dirty, dirty, dirty politician. We also
learned in this episode that Tom is B six thirteen
because he I mean, he hands Jake. It's so crazy,
but he comes and now that Jake has had a command,
he comes and he hands Jake of like the footage
(30:44):
from the day of what was shot and recorded in
the Oval office, which fits in Olivia have absolutely no
idea that they're under surveillance like that, and Tom is
just like, oh yeah, I'll be delivering these nightly. It's like,
oh my.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
God, yes, yes. And there's a previous scene like like
a sort of montage with Rowan explaining to Jake that
he's gonna that someone in the White House is part
of B six thirteen and they're going to reveal themselves.
It's really exciting and then you're like, who the hell
is it? And then it's freaking Tom.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah, it's very and then Tom gives Jake I love
this spin. At the end of the episode, Tom gives
Jake the tape and Jake plays it and fits. He
hears Fitz say to Olivia do you have feelings for Jake?
And we're like waiting on baited breast. I don't know
if she's gonna say no. I don't know if she's
going to say yes, and she says I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Uh, which he loves. Jake loves that. I think he
put he you know, he throws his head back, like,
oh man, this is this is getting this is deeper
or getting more complicated than I thought. I think Jake
probably thought that she was going to say no to Fit,
but she didn't. She said I don't know. And I
think that maybe opened up Jake's heart a little bit too,
because he's like, oh wait, like she might has She
(31:55):
kind of feels like she might have feelings for me sure,
which is super cool.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Were there any like fashion moment I didn't write anything.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I not that really that stuck out? Nozanin all of
Nazanine's clothes in this episode were amazing, And she wears
like a like like a really sexy Neglige in one
scene where she opens up the briefcase full of cash
to give to Harrison because she got a beautiful girl.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Second, who wears ship like that on this show? Whenever
anyone is wearing some sexy satin nightgown thing, I'm like,
this is television, guys. Yes, I never wear neglig You.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I feel like you'll throw on like a huge oversized
T shirt.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Of what I sleep in when we When this episode airs,
she is a matching pajama set with long sleeve, long
pant and I wear socks and.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Socks, big old fuzzy socks, big.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Old fuzzy and I am so sexy you wouldn't believe. Wait, okay,
so we don't really care about clothes. But also, oh, oh,
I know one. I thought Quinn did an okay acting
job in this episode.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I have great in this scene. Oh yes, I think
I know what you're going to talk about, Quinn.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I mean Olivia catches Quinn uh spying on command and
command on Joe.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Morton and she have a car and.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Olivia says, B six thirteen is not where you belong
Quinn and I say he licked my face? Did he
tell you that he licked my face? And then she
says I can help you. I can help you. When
I say I'm helping myself, get out or I'll shoot you.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Katie, I thought you're you're you're the intensity in the scene.
Like you held it. You kept it real, real quiet
and real sort of internal because you could have you
could have taken that to a place of like get
out of my car, I'm gonna but you kept get
real internal of like good. I like it. I loved it,
(34:06):
and you're holding that gun.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
And I choose that is because then when she leaves
and she's not watching her anymore, then Quinn kind of
breaks down. Yes, and I think she's trying to show
live how tough she is.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, I mean, I'm going back in.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
My head and I hope that was why I made
that choice, But who the fuck knows.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I listen, I thought it was a great choice. I
thought it was really real and really good and powerful.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
And and the fact that Quinn is pulling a gun
on Olivia, I know, like that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Twitter was a firestorm of hatreds.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yes, they hated you. I'm sure after this episode, I'm
sure we'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Guys, what else do we have? Who won? Did anyone win?
The acting? I mean I think Olivia and Fits at
the beginning were unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah, they were great.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Was any horror? Are there any six degrees of g?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
There is not.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah, John Tenny, John Tenny was actually in a movie
what was like a horror slash thriller. It was a
movie called The Stepfather. It's a remake of I mean,
they've made The Stepfather a few times, but he was
in the two thousand and nine version where uh uh
with Penn Badgley and he plays Penn Badly's dad, and
it's it's the movie called The Stepfather. It's a really
(35:24):
great It's a guy that sort of changes his identity
and then will you know, befriend a woman and then
court her and fall in you know, fake fall in love,
and then marry her, and then he'll murder her and
like the whole family and then move on to the
next family.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Why has he got to be doing that?
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Why you gotta be doing that?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Got to be literally murdering her whole family?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yep. Sometimes it's just the wife, but other other times
he tries to murder or murder whoever gets in the way.
But Dylan Walsh is also in this. In this version
with John Tenny, you see the stepfather, I have seen it. Yeah,
it's real.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Tenny good in it.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Oh yeah, he's great. He sort of plays a stray guy,
you know what I mean, he's not the crazy stepfather,
he's the he's the real dad. That's kind of like,
who is this guy that.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Tenny always plays super stable dudes?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yes, yes, yes, he's real stable.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
That guy he is, but he's good. Fun facts. Olivia
threatens to revoke Vanessa Chandler's press credentials if she publishes
a story harmful to Grant. Yet White House staff explicitly
do not have the authority to revoke credentials without legitimate cause. Yes,
this is bullshit. If Olivia tried this play, Chandler would
have excellent chances at a very public lawsuit whoo doodles.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
But also I feel like Olivia. Also, I feel like
Olivia is just like, you know, I'm gonna revoke that shit.
Like she's she's sort of, you know, lightly threatening. I
don't think she really feels like she would have done it.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I also felt like Carrie's I thought interacting of that moment.
I was like, I think she's even bullshitting, like yes,
oh yeah, like she that she was making it up,
like it's I agree, she's out of control and she's
just pulling its straws, and it's.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Like, I agree, I agree, I agree. We should also
mention really quickly Katie that this is there's some stuff
with U, with James and Cyrus and Rosen, like the
whole Publius. James is really scared that he's going to
get outed as Publius, right because Carlos Steele is going
to do this one more times.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I think Publius is one of the worst off names
that scandals come up with, awful off Oh whoever in
the writer's room came up with Publius? No, No, that's
a no.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
That's a big that is such a hard no.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Like why, I mean, we had Remington, we had what
else did we have? Oh, thorn Gate?
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Thorn Gate?
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Great, We've had obviously be six thirteen, We've had QR
facial recognition software, we have like some good stuff, but Publius.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Is not the hell. But there's a scene where Charlie
makes fun of the name Publius in this episode, and
I thought that I don't remember what he said it.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Let me help, let me tell my note.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
You know why this stupid name? Who came up with
this Publius name?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
It's bad? Okay? What are what are people thinking about
this episode? Let's consult our scandless sweeps of the time.
What the people to say about it? At c A.
Karen on March seventh, twenty fourteen, tweeted, hold the phone.
(38:36):
Does that mean Tom was giving Row in the Oval
Office footage all along? I never thought of that. He
goes down on Live in the Oval Office?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
He does, but the desk, oh shit is that before
they discovered that that spot by the curtain is off camera?
Remember how they discovered that?
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Oh yeah, he did. They dismember that.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Tom.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
It's like running next to me, He's like, just so
you know, like now that you're president, like we can
see stuffy Like, wow, good to know.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I'm gonna I'm gonna okay, let's hear Alexa at its
Alexa Renee tweeted, Also, I just caught when Jake dissed
wine and popcorn as dinner. Whoa dude? You crossed the
line that one hurt me. Hashtag scandal rewatch as scandal.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I still do wine and popcorn for dinner sometimes.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
And it really I love popcorn is dinner.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah, I'll doner at NCL Palermo tweeted, I like how
everyone on hashtag scandal either yells or whispers. Life would
be more fun and dramatic if we all did that
on a regular basis.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
This is a good one, Katie, this is You're gonna
love this one. Yea and dot A s Layton. That's
a lot of that's a lot of letters, girl, you
need to abbreviate that at Anna Eastleigh tweeted, oh my god,
I hate Quinn so much. When is Shonda Rhyme's gonna
kill her off hashtag scant.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
We'll have to ask Shonda whenever she comes back again,
like how many complaints did she get about Quinn? And
why didn't she kill her? And thank you so much for.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Not you know what, Anna, I don't like that tweet.
I don't like it one bit.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
I like it, Anna, You're entitled to your opinion, okay.
At Ohso brand New tweeted, who runs B six thirteen?
Olivia Pope? Who runs the US. Olivia Pope, who runs
the world, Olivia Pope hashtag scandal.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Oh dip, Now do it with the Destiny's Child like
the Olivia Pope.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Pope woo run the world Olivia Poope.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, there you go. Let's see Stephen at typing underscore chimp.
Oh that's an interesting handle typing underscore chimp. He tweeted.
The head of an Assassin agency uses a Windows eight tablet. Yeah,
and nip.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
That because they were sponsoring the show, right right, right right, Like,
didn't I think on our show, like we all had
sam Sung phones.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
As the tablets.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
We weren't allowed to use iPhones or anything in the
Macintosh Apple Arena because we were a sam Sung That
was one of our sponsors behind at look at Dustin
tweeted soon as Mellie made that comment about keeping her
knees together, my hands would have begun to fly.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Don't touch the first ladies.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Our amazing line. Producer Mary Howard tweeted at Mary eats
at this night toilet tweet hashtag scandal scouting Ace Hotel,
Downtown LA and it's a shot of all the toilets.
I didn't shoot a scene in the ace hotel toilets.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Did you I don't think I did either. Who was
the lucky person lucky?
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Who was the lucky lucky dog? Up? And the last
tweet at Carrie Washington, replying to at Josh Malina. At
Josh Malina wrote junk in the trunk hashtag scandal, and
Carrie wrote great behind this scene shot love that And
this is a pick because David Rosen is kidnapped in
this episode and thrown in the back of a trunk.
(42:08):
So he posted a picture of himself and the awesome
camera setup that's in the trunk with him. But what
we realize is that he makes a call in the
trunk and he's like, Abby, I'm in a trunk. I've
been kidnapped, kidnapped, kidnapped. It great, Katie, I've been kidnapped.
I love you so much and if I was happy yesterday.
I don't know what's gonna happen, but I want you
to know that I love you. And then the trunk
opens up.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Abby and you and y yes, and Abby's like you
better love me because I just saved your ass. I
love that scene.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yeah, so cute. Next up, we've got episode three thirteen,
No Sun on the Horizon.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
NOE all clouds, and I think we have.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
A very fancy, wonderful guess.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Mmmmm, stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I know we are we talking in these voices because
this is a sexy, sexy episode.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Is check this check this out?
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Sexy Okay, check this one out?
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Love it? I love it too.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
We love you gladiators.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Thank you guys for listening in for the next one
Lia soon, Bite Bite, Thank you guys for joining us
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(00:34):
only do we have an amazing episode, but before we
break it down, we're gonna talk to Tony goo goo
goo goold wind, good good wind. And we're just gonna
get some you know, chatting with him and see what's
up with him.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And also you are all obsessed with him, so we
can't do we We try to bring you what you want.
We try to listen to our glady, your fans, and
you all just want Tony all the dang time. So
here he is.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Take you off, Tony, take your shirt off.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Wait, Tony, we don't want to keep you for everybody.
I really need to like dig your brain. Can you
talk to us about Oppenheimer and how that was to
shoot and all of that. Gee, did you see it?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I haven't seen it yet? Can you believe it? I
have to watch it. I'm going to, oh see it.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
You'll like it. It's a really good movie and.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I'm obsessed with it. And he would want to know
how your experience was working on and our listeners tell
us about it.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Yeah, it's really a good movie. I loved it. I looked, man,
I was. I was so excited when I got a
call saying, oh, Christopher Nolan wants to talk see this
part in his movie.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
And it's pretty funny because I said, well, what's the
part and they said, we don't really know that. It's
a it's a guy who was the chair of this
committee of you know, and here he was a real person.
And they give me the name and they said, there's
no you can't read a script until you say yes
and your deal is done. That's like the way Chris works.
So I was like, oh, was it a big part
(02:03):
of a small.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Part of this?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Well they're saying it's a good part, but we don't
really know, and I say, yeah, so I you know,
so I go in and do it and and but
it was. It was an incredible cast, Oh my god.
And it was really thrilling for me because I admired
Chris's work so much. He's like a bucket list director.
And I was about to start directing my film Ezra,
(02:26):
which I did it right after that was just coming
out in May.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Thirty First.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Baby kind of Ali Rose Bern vera for me anyway, Yes,
I'm so so it was really inspiring to work with him.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
He I get this.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
So the way that Chris works, there's like it's super efficient.
There is no cell phones allowed anywhere even nearer the set,
no devices at all. No one goes back to their trailers.
Everyone is like, there are no stand ins and other
words for the listeners.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I love.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
What often happens in a set is the actors. There's
a lot of time, you know, you rehearse a scene,
and then while they're getting the cameras set up, they're lighting,
and they have what are called stand ins, which are
actors who come in and walk your part, like all
of a stand The three of us would have a
stand in to stand there while they're lighting, because it's
kind of exhausting to stand there and do it. And
then when the things all lit, the stand ins go
(03:24):
away and the actors come back and do the scene.
So but he doesn't use any stand ins, so either
a crew member just stands in for an actor or
the actor. They say, Tony, we need you to stand,
and you're just you know, so we can light so things.
There's no video village, which is the place where all
the producers watch the because he waste time.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
He feels it's a waste of time.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Is he just watching? He's watching.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
There's no video village, which is the place for listeners.
This is the place where like they have video monitors,
where all the producers and everybody gathers around next to
the set to watch. He doesn't allow any of that,
so no one sees what's happening except for him. He
stands by the camera the entire day, from the first minute.
He's right next to the camera. He has a little
tiny cassio monitor with a antenna he's probably had for
(04:09):
twenty five years, and he has round his necks and
you sort of check the shot on a screen. But
he just stands by this which is what directors used
to do all the time before fancy video monitors. And
he's just there on set and his script tub advisor
who's next door, has a little monitor you know that
he watches.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Other than that.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
And then the other thing is there's no last looks,
which to again to lay people, what that means is
that typically before every time the camera rolls, they say okay,
last looks, and then the makeup and hair people come
in and touch up the actors before every shot, which
takes a few minutes every single time, so over a
day you used to lose hours, you know, of people
(04:48):
fussing with your hair and your makeup for no reason,
and he doesn't allow any of it. So there's no
last looks. So if there's a problem and he sees it,
or the dpcs that, or an actor needs something, then
the makeup person is standing drastic him in and fix
it and address it if someone smell.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
So it was like super efficient.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
So as a result, everyone is hyper focused the entire time,
and you move incredibly quickly and everyone's like right there
because the actors have to be very nearby because you
never know someone's gonna go, oh, you know Katie, Chris
wants you on set to for to stand in.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
And so you're like, oh, you run.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Like this and all the actress hang out in an
adjacent room because there's nobody's on cell phones, so everyone
talks to each other and you so you meet all
these super cool people and it was very inspiring.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
That is so exciting.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
He's like brilliant too, because so there was that.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
All that bullshit that we get caught up with as
actors because I remember even on Scandal and other shows, right,
if they didn't come up to us to give us
last looks, we'd be like, can I get last looks?
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Like even if you didn't need it, just to be like,
I wouldn't feel like I'm important or you know what
I mean, like I'm taking care of yea, all that
bs that we get caught up that he is just
eliminates on his set.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I love that so much. And stand ins too. Back
in the day when you did indie films, we didn't
have any standings. You would just stay there yourself and let.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Them union thing like I tried when I did Ezra,
my my film that that I did, I tried to
eliminate standings and I got in con trouble with the union.
They can't do that really taking a lot of jobs away,
So I can't Universal. Universal must have paid, you know,
they must have. I can only think they hired stand
(06:32):
ins and just never used them because you know this
that you have, you have.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
To hire stand ins. Wow.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Yeah, at least that I was in the New York
So maybe it's not the l A Union, but the
New York SAG in New York was like no that's
not an option. Wow.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Great, I'm super excited about Ezra.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
So yeah, as you mentioned, so it's Bobby Conna Valley
and Robert de Niro and Rose Byrne and will Be
Goldberg and viewa Farmiga and ring Will and this brilliant
young actor, a teenage actor named William Fitzgerald who is
autistic because he's the title character. He plays an autistic
(07:12):
eleven year old boy. Yeah, it's a movie that was
written by my oldest and dearest friend, Tony Spiritoctus, who
you guys might have met at some point along the
Scandle years. But Tony has an autistic son and wanted
to write a movie about his experience when his son, Dimitri,
was like eleven years old and they went through a
really tough time and then Tony's marriage broke up, and
(07:35):
so this is the story of Bobby plays a stand
up comic who's going through a divorce, and their eleven
year old son who's super brilliant but really having problems
in school and keeps getting thrown out of school and
finally gets thrown out of his final school and the experts.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Are saying he's a danger to himself.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
He needs to be heavily medicated and put in a
special school, and the mother Rose his characters, just trying
to hold it all together. And Bobby, who's probably on
the spectrum himself, who's now living in his dad's house,
who de Niro plays, who's also this very eccentric cut
Bobby becomes convinced that the system is trying to destroy
his son and he's not having it, and he says,
(08:14):
no fucking way, and he takes his kid in the
middle of the night and without telling anyone, takes him on,
puts him in the car, and takes him on a
road trip across the country, and meanwhile finds out he's booked,
even booked on Jimmy Kimmel, who he's like, We're going
to La to be on Kimmel, and no one knows
where he is.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
So the police get involved, and there's like an amberle.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
It gets very crazy, and so de Niro and Rose
go across country together to try and find them before
the police can get them. And it's really a love
story between this father and his boy and this kid
who William is just brilliant, who never acted before, and
we found this really young autistic kid who was just amazing.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
And do you have like an open call? Did you
guys have an open call?
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Yeah, we did like a nationwide search for you in Canada.
And yeah, Kerry Barton and Paul shna Or Casting Jork
just did this whole search and with through all these
autism communities that you know, organizations to try and find
a kid, and we saw a hundred kids and and
William at the very last minute, you know, sending a
tape piece from Montclair, New Jersey, and he was just
(09:20):
I was like, I think weeks before we started to
have a super excited.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
My god, Yeah, where does it come out?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
And how can it comes out to movie theaters?
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Movie theaters May thirty first. Wow, So you'll be hearing
more from me about that.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Oh, I can't wait to see this.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
I'll let you guys do a scream. We'll start.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yes, well not only that, not only Ezra Tony is
joining the Law and Order universe. Yes, so freaking amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
How does that feel? Did you start shooting?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Is fun? It's a scandal. I doubt it.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
No, no, no, it's nice. You know what it has?
It does have.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
So I'm replacing this in the same waters. Sam Waterston
sort of iconic character in the New District Attorney. So
and uh it's fun, I mean, which I just didn't
like two days, you know, so far. But Hugh Dancy,
who I love, is whereas you know, sort of the
the DA that I work with most closely. And uh,
(10:22):
and what it's cool. The thing that's similar is there's
a very familial environment to the Law and Order world,
you know, which is everyone's super nice, super happy to
be there. It's very family oriented and chill and so's
it is like Scandal in that way.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Did you ever did you ever do Law and Order
like when you first started acting Tony like as a
guest star.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Now I feel like to any of us episode you did.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah, I directed an episode like and I think, god,
it was a long time, like almost twenty years in
two thousand and six.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Of the original Law Sam.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, the original of Sam and many Parice was in it,
and Dennis Farino was one of the cops. Remember Dennis, Yeah,
such a great actor. And and Jesse Bradford was that
his name was the other cop. Yeah and yeah, all
these amazing actors were the guest stars in it. And uh,
and then I did a four episode arc of Criminal intent,
(11:14):
played Vincedinofrio's crack Addicted Brother.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Criminals. I played on Law and Order on all of it.
Oh my god, a drug dealer. I was a murder
I've worn all the different colors of the of the
prison suits. Orange. I think it was just art.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Oh my god, were you Were you a criminal in
the organized crime? Uh?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
No, I was a detective, which is super very interesting,
very different. But I did the Law and Order when
Christopher k Nooth Big from Sex and the City Katie
was still in the show.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah yeah, Chris was the original you know detective.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Ever done anything on it? Really, I think that they're
saving me for you know, like they're saving me or
like something. Hey guys, I.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Think after I think I need to whisper into a couple.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Of that can. It's available in a little bit. I
am available. I would love to do it. I would
love to work in New York. I love working in
New York. I've never done that show. I auditioned a
million times when I was first starting out, didn't book it,
and then I got offered a thing and I turned
it down. I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Poo poo poo, poo hoo.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Boo.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yes, but it was right after Scandal had ended and
I had a brand new baby. It's a lot of
crying because you're like, oh my god, I like can't
like I just don't have it in me.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I ki'd just done that last episode fifteen days, yes
from Scandal, where you were like handcuffed right in like
a seller, and I had just I.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Was and I was like, I just need a comedy
or like something that's sunny. I just don't want to
do it right now. Sorry, Law and Order, come back again,
knock on my door, call my agent. But wait, my
friend read Scott who is he's one oar with you.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
We're so good.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
We are we see each other in the mornings every
day because we go to the same school. And I
was like, you are the luckiest dog, like you get
to work with Tony Gold when he was like, he
is the nicest because I can't imagine what it would
feel like to walk on to a set like a
lawn order that's been around for a like and how
do people feel? But like you said, he said, no,
(13:36):
everyone is so nice, so welcoming, so professional. Tony fit
in like everybody else, like it wasn't you.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Know that first scene actually was with with Reed and
uh and macad was the other nice was actually mccond
Brooks was on He was on Supergirl, which was Anna's
first job as a writer, my daughter, so they I
was like, mccon actually we met because my daughter Anna
was on super writing for Supergirl, and he was like,
(14:03):
oh my god, that's right. So they were super sweet
and wow, I love Read's work, he said so. And
it's unusual for the attorneys on Law and Order or
not usually with the cops, but my first, my introductory
scene is with them, which was kind of fun.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
So you are the greatest. Thank you for coming back
on Unpacking the Toolbox. I love you guys, president too
until Melly becomes our president.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
And it's the only remember about living in New York
because I never get to see you guys, I know,
I know.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, Well, I need to do a Broadway trip real bad.
I had one booked and then we had to cancel it.
But I need to do like a week of theater.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
There's some good stuff going, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
And I have so many friends and things that I've
just been bailing and like not going and I like
really need to go see yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Test just did a really great show.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Daughters tested this some beautiful production of this Polish play
at Damn the Brooklyn Academy of Music. It was so
good they just closed.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Acting.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
She was great.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Yeah, and then they were like, it was this cool,
really interesting director who sort of was like Evil Van Hover,
you know, the sort of experimental European. He's a Ukrainian guy,
and it was really cool that he's actress from the
Moscow Art Theater.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
We're in it. It's a very international cast. It was
very cool.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
That's so cool.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
She's mental highly regarded theater. That's so cool. It was
awesome for her.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
How's Jane. How's Jane?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Jane's good, great, Yes, she's kind of taking a break.
And she worked up until the strike and then and
then just you know, chilling.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It's nice. She's doing great, though.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I'll tell you, Please tell her.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I tell your daughters. We say hi. We love you
so much.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Babies and Adam and Mikey and yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, life is happening. What the hell? You will be
my first call when I come to New York, which
hopefully is very soon. We will be back with more
after the break. We love you, Tony, Thank you so much.
For coming back on Unpacking the Tube. Tony, you're the greatest. Okay, gee,
(16:22):
are you ready to do this?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Let's do it. I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Let's break down this episode. People are getting down in
scandaland we've got Andrew and Melly like on the Rise.
We obviously have Fits and Olivia on the Rise. We
have Harrison and Odd Non Salif going at it. We've
got Huck and Quinn like this season. Essentially, it's just
like everyone's having sex. Abby and David Rosen are having sex.
(16:49):
Like it's just a lot. Like I keep watching these
episodes and being like, oh my god, yeah, we're in
another sex scene. We're in another sex scene. This is
a ten PM show, y'all. Okay, okay, okay. Today we're
talking about episode three twelve, which was called We Do
Not Touch the First Ladies. It aired on I love
that title, and I loved he came out in the episode.
(17:10):
More on that later. It aired on March sixth in
twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And it was written by Heather Mitchell and directed by
the Oliver Bolkelberg, who was also our DP on the
show Yes We Love Him.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Love, and it was guest starring Greg Henry as Hollis Doyle,
John Tenny is Governor Andrew Nichols, Candy Alexander as Maya Lewis,
Nazanine Bodiati as Adnan.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Salif, Brian Lesher is Tom Paul Addlstein as Leo Bergen,
and Laura Laurence Demil as Carlos Steele and Jennifer Peo
as Vanessa Chandler.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And let me jog my memory because I watched a
couple episodes back to back that we're so good, and
I'm like, wait, wait, wait, hold up, what happens in
this one?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yes? Me too.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
The Grands campaign is threatened when a reporter comes forward
with a story about drug use in the Governor's mansion
before Fitz ran for president. Andrew takes the blame, but
flashbacks reveal that Melly to end her life after being
assaulted by Jerry Grant.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Meanwhile, Quinn wants to be in on B six thirteen's
plans but gets sidelined until she proves her worth, and
Huck seems to try to keep apologize to Olivia until
we learn that he feels like the Quinn situation was
actually Olivia's fault, and in the end, all is good.
Except for odd non Salif and Mama Pope are working together.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Okay, so like this episode was fucking great, but we're
we're we've got the ticket. The ticket is Fits and
Andrew are gonna run together. They've been boys, they've been
bros for one hundred years research and they're like, holy shit,
we can't have Andrew on the ticket. He's got to
(18:42):
get off the ticket because he got delivered like a
bunch of oxy or something to the Governor's mansion twenty
years ago when they found out that he was working
with like a sketchy doctor. And then it's like we
learn that he's just taking the fall for Melly. Melly
actually got the delivery of those drugs, took them all
and tried to kill herself after Jerry SR raped her.
(19:05):
Nightmare not great, Germo, What did you think of this episode?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Katie? What I thought of this episode? I put into
a stream of consciousness?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
You did not, dinghy?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I sure? Did you want to hear it?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Resident Unpacking the Toolbox Poet?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Check this out, y'all, Episode three twelve, Stream of Consciousness.
This fight, this fight, it's real, It's so real real.
Are we in my living room right now? Nope, nope,
it's just a show just to show people. But it's
so good. She is not a hen or a prize.
She's a queen, is what she is. Fits You better
get them socks on and get to get your dudes
are right outside. You have a country to run. Scanadle
(19:41):
cut to Melly Melancholy, Melly, the flashback, the pain, the rage,
the guilt, the Bob. It's all there, oozing out of
Bellamy through Melly Melancholy Melly. But Fitz can't know, He
can never know, except for the Bob. He knows about
the Bob. Harrison and Oddnan almost too hot for scandal,
Almost Langston and Doyle. It's like the devil looking at
her stuff in the mirror. I want energy, secretary pick,
(20:02):
says Doyle. Hail Satan. They can't say no. They can't
say no, Hail Satan. We're in Oba, people boarding Nichols.
The powers that be are apparently trying to expose Andrew's
prescription drug use. What evs let he who has not
sinned cast the first stone? Ooop? What's that? I hear? Crickets? Yep,
but what did you expect in this pile of hoodlums? Okay,
this is freaking crazy. Live is at dinner with Dad,
(20:23):
acting like she cares to get something out of him,
but he knows what's up. Lives all later pops Worth
a shot. Meanwhile, Quinn is fine on Homegirl with binoculars
from her car. Live sees and gets sin. Come on, Perkins,
But Quinn done lost her mind as she told Olivy
to get out or she'll shoot her. Say what I can't?
I can't, but yo, these flashbacks with melancholy melli are
(20:43):
killing me. But that Bob looking fierce. You know what
they say is better to look good than to feel good.
That's my motto. Oh I digress looks like Andrew cares
for he really he really does. Wait could it be
the Bob? Nah, he really cares? And the fuck is
it with Huck in this coffee bringing business? Hey, Huck,
here's a napkin. You got a lot of bit of
crazy on your face. Do you know what else is crazy?
All this? Pooplius Rosen and Carlos Steel drama, A trunk
(21:05):
a man, a love call? Please make it stop or
make it go faster and harder? Okay, Abby, I see
you here with the save uh Huck with more coffee
for live. Does she take that coffee with sugar? Nope?
Oh well how about a dollar of truth Ooh yum,
just perfect? Thanks Hucks, sorry Live your move, Her, Her, her,
Melly and Andrew in front of her, her portrait, the Legend,
(21:27):
the class, the Grace, Camelot, JFK, the loss, so much loss,
but still standing, still hanging in the House of White Jackie.
Oh damn, this show is crazy.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Guirmo, What the fuck you have to publish these.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
You?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
We need to get this motherfucker a book agent, a
poet agent. These should be public. I mean, this was
so good, Ghirmo. Okay, multiple notes. Favorite scenes of yours.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Gee, oh my god, there were so many. Well listen.
Right at the top was one of my favorite scenes
where we see fits in Olivia in a huge fight,
and it's one of the first times that I thought,
oh shit, these people are like it felt like I
was like it was me and my living room with
my partner fighting. It felt so real and I love
(22:23):
that like they were mad at each other, they.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Were so mad, they were so mad and he and
I was like, he says, shut up and let me talk,
which I actually like gasped out loud. I was like,
holy shit, like a real couple. Yes, like a real couple.
And then she says, like she did this thing. Olivia says,
I have a desire to wake up and face myself
in the mirror. My whole life is not about.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
You, yes, and she's all, I'm not a hen. I
am not a prize, which I love.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I'm not a hen in your hen house. It was
really it was great because you can see how it's
like people fighting and sleeping together. It's like same sides
of I mean, different sides of the same coin or whatever,
and like you could see how passionate they get and
how like crazy yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
And then but then we cut to you know, his
whole security detail right outside her door, listening to the
fight with Jake, and Jake is there and they're talking
about Jake, you know what I mean. So there's that
uncomfortable situation. Once they you know, exit the apartment and
Jake's all dumb right here.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Crazy, we cut back to this flashback fourteen years ago,
Like we're seeing Mellie and Andrew. They're flirting a lot,
They're doing all this kind of thing. Oh, we also
see this is where we learn like This is the
episode where we see Harrison and Odd non sleeve like
getting out of bed. Is Nazanine BONIOTTI kidding with how
pretty she is?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Is she freaking gorgeous or what?
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
My god, she's so hot. Listen, I'm wild gay as
the day is long, but that lady is gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
And Katie, the chemistry between her and Columbus short, I
don't know what it is, but listen, those two connected
on a level that was beyond just acting like it was.
It was. That chemistry was real good. Yeah, it was
almost as good as Quinn. Almost almost.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
We'll give them a B plus.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yes, correct.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Oh you kept kept giving live coffee in this episode.
You were so pathetic.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I know, he was so pathetic, Like what the fuck, Huck?
What is going on? He was going through it.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I think, why and explain why you keep doing this
which I thought you killed yet. Were you happy with
your ending scene or were you like wah wah.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Listen, I was a little bit on want whah. You
know that that was actually that was one of the
scenes that I was like, freak. I wish I would
have done it again because I would have done as
I was watching, and I was like, I would have
done something different, but I was still happy with it.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Honey, I got tons of those. I got tens of
hundreds of those.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So he keeps bringing Olivia a cup of coffee because.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
He looks like a shitty cup of coffee.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
It looks like a shitty cup of coffee. I want,
what does she drink? I feel like Alicia doesn't doesn't
drink coffee. I feel like she drinks tea?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Right, does she doesn't?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Feel Yeah, I feel like she's a tea. Maybe that's
why she kept giving him that look like homeboy, why
you keep bringing me this latte from freaking the corner
coffee shot? I'm going to drink this. Yeah, I wish
there was a shot of all the cups of coffee
that he gave her, like lined up like somewhere in
her in her office.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
But I think he's doing that.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
It's it's like a it's like a way for him
to apologize and say or I think he explains and
he says that this is what you do when you
want to say sorry to someone right, or to someone
that you love, or something like that, because doesn't he
want to apologize for what he did to Coin.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
He's bringing your coffee to say I'm really sorry about Quinn. Yes,
and she says, I'm mad at you. You went too
far with Quinn. And he says, no, you went too far.
You went too far. You gave her to me, you
put her under my wing, you made me do all
this shit and like her, Yes, essentially losing her mind
(26:20):
and leaving Opa and being part of the six thirteen
is all on.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
You, exactly. Yeah. And and also, just to explain to
the listeners, before this is when we see Huck and
and and Quinn and he has her all taped up,
and he and with the pliers and he's you know,
he pulls her mole a out and and he licks
her face. All of that happens before this, and that's
why Olivia is like, you went too far. You did No,
(26:43):
you did no, you did?
Speaker 4 (26:45):
You did?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
You did.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
My favorite part is I Love and Scandal when the
title comes up in the episode in some creative way,
and so it says we do not this is called
we do not touch the First Ladies or whatever. Yes,
And there's an amazing scene where Melly is standing in
the room in the White House where there's all the
portraits of the first Ladies before her, and they're looking
(27:09):
at Jackie. Oh, and it's so like sixties and it
looks so cool and things are painted so differently, and
she's looking at all of them. And Andrew sexy sexy
John Tenny comes in and they're flirting mcflirterson's and then yes,
you know, he goes to like touch the painting or something,
and she's like, ah, like, we don't touch the first ladies.
(27:31):
But you realize they're really talking about, like we don't
touch her body, not like things.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yes, yes, yes, but also I love when Mellie leaves
the scene and then Andrew goes and like like touches
the painting.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Have you ever done that before?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Oh, if somebody tells me not to do something and
they're like, don't touch that, my only thought after somebody
tells me not to do something is I have to
do this. I know I have to do it.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I feel like when I was little, I did this,
which is not okay, but I feel like I've definitely
in like art museums before and like have done a
sort of Andrew moment where I like tapped a corner
of like some art installation that you weren't allowed touch.
Oh one hundred percent. I always have thoughts of if
I'm at Niagara Falls jumping off, or if I'm in
front of a huge famous painting like the Mona Lisa,
(28:19):
or We've been to DC and we looked at the
Portrait Gallery and I've seen all these first Lady paintings
and just like running at them with an axe, like
those are the two.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
You are insane. You are insane. But listen, I've had
those thoughts too. Sometimes. Do you ever feel like people
are gonna be like these two motherfuckers are crazy?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Oh yeah, I think they already think that we're okay.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I think they think that already they know that I'll
be waiting to cross the street and a huge truck.
I'll see a huge truck on its way across in
front of me, and I'm like, what if I jumped
in front of the truck?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Oh hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
And it's not like I want to kill myself. I'm
just like, what if I Just you.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Just like play it out in your brain like it's
just there's I'm an intersection right by my house that's
like pretty intense, and I'm always like, what if I,
like miss judge like I made this left and I
get completely like clipped by an eighteen wheeler or whatever. Like,
you know, I think it's very normal. I think it's
very and I think everybody thinks these things. They just
(29:12):
don't talk about it, and we do because we're nuts.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Exactly exactly. Another scene, Katie that I loved was the
scene Hollis Doyle is in this episode and there's a
scene where he goes to meet with Leo Bergen and
Sally Langston and he's like, they're gonna work together, right,
and he's like, I want secretary of What is it
that he wants? Oh? Well, energy?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
He wants secretary of energy because Hollis Doyle is an
oil tycoon. Tycoon?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Is that yeah, I think that's the word. It sure is.
But I love the dynamics between those three. It's so
funny and and just the lines. I think. Hollis Doyle
at one point says, listen, all our britches are moist,
so let's just get to the point. He's so freaking
from what a pig.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
In this episode, he's doing such a good job because
he's playing both camps. He's essentially going over to the fits,
you know, ticket and being like, you give me, you know,
Secretary of Energy, and I'm going to write you a
check like no one's ever seen before. And then they
invite him to the big fancy dinner and then he
but before that he was in Sally Langston's camp with
Leo Bergen saying like, I'm gonna write you all a
(30:21):
big fat check as long as you give me secretary.
But he's playing a dirty, dirty, dirty politician. We also
learned in this episode that Tom is B six thirteen
because he I mean, he hands Jake. It's so crazy,
but he comes and now that Jake has had a command,
he comes and he hands Jake of like the footage
(30:44):
from the day of what was shot and recorded in
the Oval office, which fits in Olivia have absolutely no
idea that they're under surveillance like that, and Tom is
just like, oh yeah, I'll be delivering these nightly. It's like,
oh my.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
God, yes, yes. And there's a previous scene like like
a sort of montage with Rowan explaining to Jake that
he's gonna that someone in the White House is part
of B six thirteen and they're going to reveal themselves.
It's really exciting and then you're like, who the hell
is it? And then it's freaking Tom.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah, it's very and then Tom gives Jake I love
this spin. At the end of the episode, Tom gives
Jake the tape and Jake plays it and fits. He
hears Fitz say to Olivia do you have feelings for Jake?
And we're like waiting on baited breast. I don't know
if she's gonna say no. I don't know if she's
going to say yes, and she says I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Uh, which he loves. Jake loves that. I think he
put he you know, he throws his head back, like,
oh man, this is this is getting this is deeper
or getting more complicated than I thought. I think Jake
probably thought that she was going to say no to Fit,
but she didn't. She said I don't know. And I
think that maybe opened up Jake's heart a little bit too,
because he's like, oh wait, like she might has She
(31:55):
kind of feels like she might have feelings for me sure,
which is super cool.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Were there any like fashion moment I didn't write anything.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I not that really that stuck out? Nozanin all of
Nazanine's clothes in this episode were amazing, And she wears
like a like like a really sexy Neglige in one
scene where she opens up the briefcase full of cash
to give to Harrison because she got a beautiful girl.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Second, who wears ship like that on this show? Whenever
anyone is wearing some sexy satin nightgown thing, I'm like,
this is television, guys. Yes, I never wear neglig You.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I feel like you'll throw on like a huge oversized
T shirt.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Of what I sleep in when we When this episode airs,
she is a matching pajama set with long sleeve, long
pant and I wear socks and.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Socks, big old fuzzy socks, big.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Old fuzzy and I am so sexy you wouldn't believe. Wait, okay,
so we don't really care about clothes. But also, oh, oh,
I know one. I thought Quinn did an okay acting
job in this episode.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I have great in this scene. Oh yes, I think
I know what you're going to talk about, Quinn.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I mean Olivia catches Quinn uh spying on command and
command on Joe.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Morton and she have a car and.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Olivia says, B six thirteen is not where you belong
Quinn and I say he licked my face? Did he
tell you that he licked my face? And then she
says I can help you. I can help you. When
I say I'm helping myself, get out or I'll shoot you.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Katie, I thought you're you're you're the intensity in the scene.
Like you held it. You kept it real, real quiet
and real sort of internal because you could have you
could have taken that to a place of like get
out of my car, I'm gonna but you kept get
real internal of like good. I like it. I loved it,
(34:06):
and you're holding that gun.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
And I choose that is because then when she leaves
and she's not watching her anymore, then Quinn kind of
breaks down. Yes, and I think she's trying to show
live how tough she is.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, I mean, I'm going back in.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
My head and I hope that was why I made
that choice, But who the fuck knows.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I listen, I thought it was a great choice. I
thought it was really real and really good and powerful.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
And and the fact that Quinn is pulling a gun
on Olivia, I know, like that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Twitter was a firestorm of hatreds.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yes, they hated you. I'm sure after this episode, I'm
sure we'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Guys, what else do we have? Who won? Did anyone win?
The acting? I mean I think Olivia and Fits at
the beginning were unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah, they were great.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Was any horror? Are there any six degrees of g?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
There is not.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah, John Tenny, John Tenny was actually in a movie
what was like a horror slash thriller. It was a
movie called The Stepfather. It's a remake of I mean,
they've made The Stepfather a few times, but he was
in the two thousand and nine version where uh uh
with Penn Badgley and he plays Penn Badly's dad, and
it's it's the movie called The Stepfather. It's a really
(35:24):
great It's a guy that sort of changes his identity
and then will you know, befriend a woman and then
court her and fall in you know, fake fall in love,
and then marry her, and then he'll murder her and
like the whole family and then move on to the
next family.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Why has he got to be doing that?
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Why you gotta be doing that?
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Got to be literally murdering her whole family?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yep. Sometimes it's just the wife, but other other times
he tries to murder or murder whoever gets in the way.
But Dylan Walsh is also in this. In this version
with John Tenny, you see the stepfather, I have seen it. Yeah,
it's real.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Tenny good in it.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Oh yeah, he's great. He sort of plays a stray guy,
you know what I mean, he's not the crazy stepfather,
he's the he's the real dad. That's kind of like,
who is this guy that.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Tenny always plays super stable dudes?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yes, yes, yes, he's real stable.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
That guy he is, but he's good. Fun facts. Olivia
threatens to revoke Vanessa Chandler's press credentials if she publishes
a story harmful to Grant. Yet White House staff explicitly
do not have the authority to revoke credentials without legitimate cause. Yes,
this is bullshit. If Olivia tried this play, Chandler would
have excellent chances at a very public lawsuit whoo doodles.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
But also I feel like Olivia. Also, I feel like
Olivia is just like, you know, I'm gonna revoke that shit.
Like she's she's sort of, you know, lightly threatening. I
don't think she really feels like she would have done it.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I also felt like Carrie's I thought interacting of that moment.
I was like, I think she's even bullshitting, like yes,
oh yeah, like she that she was making it up,
like it's I agree, she's out of control and she's
just pulling its straws, and it's.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Like, I agree, I agree, I agree. We should also
mention really quickly Katie that this is there's some stuff
with U, with James and Cyrus and Rosen, like the
whole Publius. James is really scared that he's going to
get outed as Publius, right because Carlos Steele is going
to do this one more times.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I think Publius is one of the worst off names
that scandals come up with, awful off Oh whoever in
the writer's room came up with Publius? No, No, that's
a no.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
That's a big that is such a hard no.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Like why, I mean, we had Remington, we had what
else did we have? Oh, thorn Gate?
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Thorn Gate?
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Great, We've had obviously be six thirteen, We've had QR
facial recognition software, we have like some good stuff, but Publius.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Is not the hell. But there's a scene where Charlie
makes fun of the name Publius in this episode, and
I thought that I don't remember what he said it.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Let me help, let me tell my note.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
You know why this stupid name? Who came up with
this Publius name?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
It's bad? Okay? What are what are people thinking about
this episode? Let's consult our scandless sweeps of the time.
What the people to say about it? At c A.
Karen on March seventh, twenty fourteen, tweeted, hold the phone.
(38:36):
Does that mean Tom was giving Row in the Oval
Office footage all along? I never thought of that. He
goes down on Live in the Oval Office?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
He does, but the desk, oh shit is that before
they discovered that that spot by the curtain is off camera?
Remember how they discovered that?
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Oh yeah, he did. They dismember that.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Tom.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
It's like running next to me, He's like, just so
you know, like now that you're president, like we can
see stuffy Like, wow, good to know.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I'm gonna I'm gonna okay, let's hear Alexa at its
Alexa Renee tweeted, Also, I just caught when Jake dissed
wine and popcorn as dinner. Whoa dude? You crossed the
line that one hurt me. Hashtag scandal rewatch as scandal.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I still do wine and popcorn for dinner sometimes.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
And it really I love popcorn is dinner.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah, I'll doner at NCL Palermo tweeted, I like how
everyone on hashtag scandal either yells or whispers. Life would
be more fun and dramatic if we all did that
on a regular basis.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
This is a good one, Katie, this is You're gonna
love this one. Yea and dot A s Layton. That's
a lot of that's a lot of letters, girl, you
need to abbreviate that at Anna Eastleigh tweeted, oh my god,
I hate Quinn so much. When is Shonda Rhyme's gonna
kill her off hashtag scant.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
We'll have to ask Shonda whenever she comes back again,
like how many complaints did she get about Quinn? And
why didn't she kill her? And thank you so much for.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Not you know what, Anna, I don't like that tweet.
I don't like it one bit.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
I like it, Anna, You're entitled to your opinion, okay.
At Ohso brand New tweeted, who runs B six thirteen?
Olivia Pope? Who runs the US. Olivia Pope, who runs
the world, Olivia Pope hashtag scandal.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Oh dip, Now do it with the Destiny's Child like
the Olivia Pope.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Pope woo run the world Olivia Poope.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, there you go. Let's see Stephen at typing underscore chimp.
Oh that's an interesting handle typing underscore chimp. He tweeted.
The head of an Assassin agency uses a Windows eight tablet. Yeah,
and nip.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
That because they were sponsoring the show, right right, right right, Like,
didn't I think on our show, like we all had
sam Sung phones.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
As the tablets.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
We weren't allowed to use iPhones or anything in the
Macintosh Apple Arena because we were a sam Sung That
was one of our sponsors behind at look at Dustin
tweeted soon as Mellie made that comment about keeping her
knees together, my hands would have begun to fly.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Don't touch the first ladies.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Our amazing line. Producer Mary Howard tweeted at Mary eats
at this night toilet tweet hashtag scandal scouting Ace Hotel,
Downtown LA and it's a shot of all the toilets.
I didn't shoot a scene in the ace hotel toilets.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Did you I don't think I did either. Who was
the lucky person lucky?
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Who was the lucky lucky dog? Up? And the last
tweet at Carrie Washington, replying to at Josh Malina. At
Josh Malina wrote junk in the trunk hashtag scandal, and
Carrie wrote great behind this scene shot love that And
this is a pick because David Rosen is kidnapped in
this episode and thrown in the back of a trunk.
(42:08):
So he posted a picture of himself and the awesome
camera setup that's in the trunk with him. But what
we realize is that he makes a call in the
trunk and he's like, Abby, I'm in a trunk. I've
been kidnapped, kidnapped, kidnapped. It great, Katie, I've been kidnapped.
I love you so much and if I was happy yesterday.
I don't know what's gonna happen, but I want you
to know that I love you. And then the trunk
opens up.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Abby and you and y yes, and Abby's like you
better love me because I just saved your ass. I
love that scene.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yeah, so cute. Next up, we've got episode three thirteen,
No Sun on the Horizon.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
NOE all clouds, and I think we have.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
A very fancy, wonderful guess.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Mmmmm, stay tuned.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
I know we are we talking in these voices because
this is a sexy, sexy episode.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Is check this check this out?
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Sexy Okay, check this one out?
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Love it? I love it too.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
We love you gladiators.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Thank you guys for listening in for the next one
Lia soon, Bite Bite, Thank you guys for joining us
on Unpacking the Toolbox. If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe,
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Speaker 2 (43:25):
Unpacking the Toolbox was executive produced by Sandy Bailey, Alex Alcea,
Lauren Homan, Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and
editor is Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Scandal is a production of ABC Signature, and you can
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Speaker 2 (43:42):
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