August 15, 2024 • 41 mins
It’s the Season 3 finale! And in a hilarious and epic send off, Paul Adelstein, aka Leo Bergen, joins Katie and Guillermo to break down some iconic quotes from the series. Plus, no season finale would be complete without covering the explosive moments leading up to Huck and Quinn’s tabletop scene and Jerry Grant’s death.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in
partnership with Higheartradiots. In Katie, are you home? You're home now?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
A right, Katie? Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, do you start? You start shooting on Thursday tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I take the plane. Oh, I take the plane, and
I take the plane across the country to Shawlotte, North Carolina.
And then I go and I quickly drive and they
dye my gray hair, and then I go to sleep.
Seas I wake up five o'clock in the morning and
I shoot all day in a church because I'm the
preacher's wife.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Wait, but tomorrow's Wednesday, right? Or today's Whendnesday?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh? Today is Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
No, Today's Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Today Tuesday?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Wednesday? I shoot Thursday?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Gotcha? Got you? You shoot Thursday.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
This episode is insane. Yeah, this is where we fuck
on the table.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I always loved it with your answer on your.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Ankles doggie style.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
But we wouldn't have wanted to wrap up season three
with any one other than the famous Leo Bergen. We
loved that guy.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You're so fun to play.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
We love you, Paul Adelstein. Thank you for being on
the podcast. Favorite Leo Bergen line of all time. Do
you remember it?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Give me another hit of that bourbon and I'll touch
your boob. I think was one of them. That's very
first monologue.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
There was something about it smells like failure, it smells
like Nixon in seventy two.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
It was I don't remember exactly what it was.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
It is incredible when you're like, Nope, I won't work
with the president of the United States because is going
to lose it.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Losers Yeah, yeah, a loser. Yeah good wow.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Paul setup as like fucking oh, because you're a musician,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I admire that.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I love people they play instruments. I can't play shit.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
You literally can play instruments and read music.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Also, I'm doing a podcast, but yeah, I'm a musician,
so you are. Yeah, yeah, what is? What is?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
It's a prison break we watch, which actually we can
talk about it during a thing. But I was like,
I haven't watched prison break in a hundred years, but like,
there are so many similarities.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Really yeah, which I didn't even at the time.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Notice, first of all, the I'm whatokie, we can talk
about if it's interesting to talk about, but like prison
Break in twenty four felt like Prisoner came right after
twenty four, like a couple of years later.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It was the first time that they did that. Just
the level of twists and turns. Yeah, but the intensity.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Of the act break to act break action is insane.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
We have the lash.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
We're how fucking cool. Leo barget Leo bar Leo barfin
Leo Bergen is one of my all time favorite television
characters period. It doesn't even have the best Scandal verse,
Like he is such a oh my.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Gosh, I think we all have.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I remember you coming on set and being so excited
because you're just so sparky and excited and just cocky.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Like your character is so cocky. It's so much fun
to watch. I love that You've always loved him.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
How How did it did Shonda call you and say
I've got a role for you? I mean, Liza while
who you and her have the most beautiful teenager ever?
And Liza played Amanda Tanner first season of Scandal and
also is very big in the Shondaland universe on How
to Get Away with Murder? But tell me, Paul, you
(03:50):
being private practice, how do you get a call from
Shonda Rhimes that says okay, now I want you to
do this major part on skin.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
So I had done six years of private practice, which
I think we did one hundred and eleven, and I
directed a couple and Da Da Da dah, and so
I was ponded part of the Shonda universe.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And then in season two, I.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Think I got a thing from my manager saying, Shanda
and you know, Linda called Lindalloi called hint, Shanda has
this role that she wants you to do in Scandal,
which was like, I was so into Scandal.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
You were already Oh my god, I was so into it.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
I mean, Liza done it. But also it was the
Shonda verse. I knew people. There was a lot of
that we shot on that lot. Sometimes there was a
lot of overlap writers and.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Producers and directors certainly back you guys. And then I
got it and it was just.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
This monologue, but like at Scandal pace, and I was
so psyched. I was like, I was so flattered that
I was like, there's going to be a Cooper role
coming my way, which was my character in private right.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Couldn't be further from Cooper.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
It couldn't be further from it.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
And and then what was doubly exciting for me was
I grew up in Chicago and going to Steppenwolf, and
I knew Jeff Perry. I knew him when I was
in my early twenties. I had done plays there. He
had come to them. I had been dating someone. He
was like a mentor to her, like you know, and
I'd never worked with him. I'd never done a bounce
(05:21):
of acting with the guy. So then it was like,
here's your first dance scandal. It's a monologue in the
Oval office with Jeff Perry.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
No a goal, like a huge icon, especially in Chicago theater.
Oh my god. He's like, yeah, you know, he's Daniel
da Lewis of Chicago Theaters.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
And I will say that one of the benefits was,
I don't know why this is because I know this
isn't true on television a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I had that like three weeks early.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Oh wow, yeah, that is that is odd first candle.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
So I was yeah for anything, anything, and so I
was just non stop wanted I knew that thing.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I think I probably still know.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
It was like your you knew abouts of words, but
did it almost make you more nervous because you had
it for like too long. No, you felt good about it?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
No, because it's so musical, it's so it's so tight
like that you can't over prepare.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I mean like you to just know that. Yeah, she
a forward. Yeah, I mean it was like a dance. Right.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
How was it when you get on set with Jeff
Perry in the Oval office your first day? Are you
fucking intimidated? Were you like, I got this? How did
you feel?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I felt like it's that sports thing that I love
about acting.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Sometimes you're like, you know, you're stay in it, get okay,
that one wasn't good, Get back in there. That one
coming around? You got this?
Speaker 4 (06:43):
You know, Like I I was very I was confident
because I felt like, you know, I think Varico was directing.
But everyone's also so supportive, and you know, it doesn't
happen a lot where you get offered a role, which
is also in a way more stressful. Yeah, yeah, for sure,
because they're like, no one has seen me do this,
they don't know if I can do this.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I almost prefer to audition sometimes or read for it
to a quick reason too.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I'm like, they know what I'm buying, Like they know
what they bought. We're all on the same page. I'm
in the world of the show. If you get offered,
you show up and you're like, ooh good, Like I
hope my interpretation is anywhere near what you were hoping for.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Like that happened to me on something and it still
sticks in my craw and because then I went back
to do like a second and third half rosas and
they're like, they're asking if you can make it a
little less and I was like, oh.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Man, it's already too I know, yeah, And it's a
beloved show. And now every time I just.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Think Leo Bergen, I mean, in knowing you and being
friends with you is so First of all, it was
a combination of so many things. It really I think
got to show us all how fucking trained and skilled
you are, and like what a theater titan you know,
like you just are so good at voice and speech
and talking fast, like that was stuff you probably hadn't
done a ton of on TV. And then I just
(08:00):
thought it was such a fucking character. I mean, the
way his hair was parted, Like were those all your
ideas or were they someone else's ideas?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I said that I wanted like a guy trying to
have a Bobby Bobby Kennedy hair I who.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Can't so perfect? That's so perfect? And then I remember
going to I don't remember what the actual description was.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
I have the script, but I remember going to the
fitting and it being like, oh, this is like a
three thousand dollars suit.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Oh shit, really, this is no joke, like this is
the real DC shit.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
And that gave me that those things on and it
is it is like, you know, it's gladiatory.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It's like, oh yeah, I am going powerful. You felt powerful.
I have a pocket square, I got cuff links.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
When I put on those flannels, Paul, listen. But the exhilaration,
I felt the trashiness that I felt inside.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Right, You're like I want to torture some people.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, you probably felt good GI and like the plastic
apron like nextured out.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Oh hell yeah, and the glow.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I know that you guys have brought me on this
episode to just talk about YouTube banging.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Oh I can't wait to get there. Okay, let's talk
about this episode. Thanks for the segue. This guy might
also be hosting his own motherfucking podcast. Is why this
bitch is going to a segue. We are talking about
episode three eighteen, called The Price of Free and Fair Elections,
which aired on April seventeenth in twenty fourteen, and.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
It was written by Shanda Rhimes and Mark Wilding, and
it was directed by the Tom Verica to burst.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
We Love Him so Much. It was guest starring John
Tenny as Andrew Nichols, Dylan Minnette as Jerry Grant Junior,
Madeline Carol as Karen Grant. Mackenzie asked it as Noah Baker.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Paul Edelstein is Leo Bergen just to get as Kim
Erica Schaeffer, as reported Julia, do.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
You think you could read the synopsis in scandal pace?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Sometimes scandle pace.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yeah, let's see, I'm just going to do scandal play. Yes,
Paul the President, your campaign swrings back and forth. Who
seems to be winning the race until a sudden death
almost guarantees Fits wull Win. Titans collide when Fits and
Eli joined four to stop my who they both believe
killed Fitz's son, until the ending shows us how it
all really went down and the only person who figured
it out won't be returning next season.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
See how good that is?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I kind of swell up that ship like twice already.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Like it was so good a scandal pace.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
That is, I mean, get this guy a fucking voiceover careers.
Everybody listening to the.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You know how any voiceover editions I do a week?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
How many four?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
You know how many I have brooked? Zero?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Dude, same, I cannot I cannot book.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
So a bomb goes off to try to kill Sally
Langston or something. Everybody runs out of it.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Is it a church, it's a church, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Ever's a church. Everyone's running out, running out in boom,
the whole thing explodes, and Leo Bergen runs up to
Sally Langston and he's like, don't you fucking miss this opportunity.
This is your fucking chance.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
This is Jesus.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Go be Jesus.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
So creepy and rips are. Yeah, put some dirt on her,
like kind.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Of hidden behind a car door. You put her on
her face, you rip off her sleeve, you send her out,
and then she starts like tying people's like making suit
turn and turn a kid. So that's the word. And
then everyone says, let's bend down and pray, and Tom
Verka so brilliantly it goes from color to black days
and everyone kneels down to pray puts their head down,
puts their heads together, and it just closed with Leo
Bergen is looking straightforward, not praying, with the biggest on
(11:25):
his twisted good.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Actually, I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I mean, I'm sure I talked to Tom about it,
but I don't remember if it was in the thing
or not. There's also the thing is so cool when
when the like don't when Olivia is like, why is
the president? Split screens and then each screen goes to her.
Such a cool media.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Moment was so great.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It was so great.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
We'll be right back, guys.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Paul favorite moments we call it care Washington School of
Acting moments. Are there anybody's performance in this app that
like just fucking killed you?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Uh? The Fits picked with the son in his arms
thing kills me? Oh so good, kills me? Kills me,
kills me.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
This is the episode that little Jerry Junior murdered. We
don't know if Jerry Junior is Fits his baby or
Big Jers Big Jerry's baby from the awful rape episode.
But but he dies, he gets a he fucking dies
and like, oh my.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
God, he just kill a fourteen year old yo.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
The fact that they're killing kids on this show, I wrote,
Jerry dying, This show is no joke.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
They killing kids.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
The killing lists like when a show starts killing fucking
kids like teenage, Like you know that that shit is hardcore,
Like Shanda was not playing your son.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, like murder it's so awful, which eventually which essentially
becomes the thing why Fitz gets reelected. Yes, it's such
a That was one of my favorite acting moments was
the Jeff Perry Kerry Washington scene in the hospital at
the hospital where there she's like, Jerry Junior just died.
And the first thing I thought was fits is going
to win the election, and Jeff is like Sally Langston
(13:16):
the church blew up, and the first thing I thought
was we're going to lose the election. And they're like
when did we become monsters about people?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I liked it.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
He says to Leo, try to hold on to your
soul if you still have one, that's right, And Leo's like,
so soul.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
What are you?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, like you're when Quinn and Hawk are already sleeping together.
Obviously at this point we're sleeping.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
That's not a reveal.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
That's not a reveal, right, but you're wearing what are
they called like a garter belt to work?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Did you also, I don't know what to believe.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I may have free trained it. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Maybe maybe you imagine that you created that in your head.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Can we tell the story of why we had to
do Doggy?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
So this is the This also okay three eighteen, This
fucking episode is insane for one hundred reasons. A fourteen
year old old killing kids is die. I mean, it's awful.
Kid died, It's horrible. And then also Abby walks in
on Quinn and Hawk having sex kind of leaning over
bent over from behind on the o PA conference table Doggy,
(14:24):
which that table is in the Shondaland offices at Rowley Studios,
And every time I go there, I walk past and
I'm like, I fucked on that. But this story, Paul,
is so funny. I come into work that day. The
scene was originally written that g is laying on the
conference table and Quinn is straddling him when Abby walks
(14:44):
in and I walk in and what happens Germo.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I have a fucking cold sore on my fucking lip
because the night before, two nights before I had I
had to get taken to the hospital because I had
an allergic reaction to too nuts.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I'm allergic to nuts anyway, so it just.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Sparks shit in my body and the other nuts, yeah,
other nuts, not all nuts.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
It was two days before we shot the scene. He
had it, got rushed to the hospital like near death
experience and whole's body like action.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
To closing, like scary shit. Yeah, all that shit.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
So we had like boils on his face and like.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Which sometimes it'll spark right, it sparks up like shutting
your body and then you get like whatever. And we
were supposed to be like making out, like you know,
Quinn straddling Huk and we were like, you guys, we
can't do that obviously. So I don't know who.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Came up with it.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Erica, no, Tom Verica. They're like, fuck, what do we do?
Tom Verica calls up the ladder to Shonda. I'm pretty
damn sure, but it could be wrong. I don't know
if I remember it this way for a dramatic effect
or if it's true. So, like Shonda, if you're listening,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Probably did for such a change of you know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
The scene he.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Probably did shown scandal without nothing that big would be
and change going up the flapole, so it came back, well,
if he if she, if he just takes her from behind,
then they won't have to kiss.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah, where was the intimacy coordinator?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
We didn't have them, but it makes it so funny
and we'll never forget it because they would say back
to one, and G would kind.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Of waddle.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Around the set, you know, back and forth to like
kind of go back okay, and then waddle back in
like it was so not sexy, is what it was.
G and I had some very sexy sex scenes that
we did a great job and they were very soon.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
On top of the car was very sexy. I felt
super sexy car.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
We were very sexy. And there was another time like
in your office that was very sexy.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Speaking of sexy sex scenes, I feel like Paul had
a couple on Scandal.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Didn't you have one with the Abby?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
We had a makeup we never really we had like
one kiss in the press room and then we were
in bed together, but we never got it.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
We never really got it on. It was like me
with a nightguard and it was always hold on. But
I have a question.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Can I ask you guys a question about that scene? Yeah,
the other thing is like we've all done sex scenes.
This was also a sex scene where then your castmates
walk in, so it's like, I mean, it's all it's
already embarrassing kind of or what embarrassing intimate however you
want to put it.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
But then at least you get I guess then you
don't really have to play it. You're like, yep, here
we are, Yeah, yeah, yeah we were. Arby's really funny
and that scene clean that up and that.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
And that, and then there's they're turned on from the blood,
like they're on that.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Somebody got staff Jo Maestat, she's terrifying, terrifying Alexander, Okay,
what else?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
What other moments and people love from the episode?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I love I love the scene where after Olivia tells
Fits that Mellie was raped by Big Jerry and then
he walks in and and tells Mellie. I love that
scene between them too, and she's like drinking, she's getting
you know, she's getting fucked up, and it's just such
a such a beautiful scene. Like their work is so
good in that one. I love that one.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
She's like you know, yea, which is so good because
they don't have to explain it. Wait, okay, what about
did anybody eat in this episode? We we're obsessed with.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Food, right, I was eating on camera. It's my favorite
thing in the world. Oh, I love it.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
See we we had Scott Foley on the other day
and he was like, you cannot eat on camera, and.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
He was always eating on camera.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I thought that he's pretending.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I was. Oh, I would eat my ass off on
camera me too.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
See that's because you're a Chicago actor. There was only
one other person I've worked with, Laurie Metcalf, and she
would always do family dinner scenes. I mean, if you
look at not the.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Connors's Bank theory eat all the time.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Had dinner scenes all the time as a family around
the dinner table. You watch Master eating.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I just eat.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
I've gotten actually physically into trouble. Really You're like, I
not have, but like I have bar oh shit.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Really?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Well, first of all, there was a private practice one
where one I don't I think it was Chris Lowell
is like in the hospital dying and my character is
like stress eating. And it wasn't a nice snickers and
it wasn't a muffin it was, but it was something
sweet and heavy and like the joke was he just
keeps eating it, which.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You're eating your feelings.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Yeah, but you do it in one because that's the joke.
And I did it like seven, you know, seven times.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
See that's that's hard.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
And then on the show Gets Shorty, I was on
the show Get Shorty, my character like it says that
he eats a steak in this scene. I ate like
one hundred and forty ounces of steak that I did
because I was like, I was like, I was kind
of I made Frankly, I made myself to up because
I was like, I was picturing the next twelve hours
(20:03):
of my life, and I was like, I can either
like have meat sweats and go lay on the floor
in my house or just get rid of into this.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah I would. I would have made the same choice,
to be honest.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
And it was still there, it was still fresh in
your body. Yeah, it's probably easy to get rid of.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
It's a fat peeve of mine.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
When people aren't good at fake eating, when they're just
pushing food around on it.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I can't stand we talk about it as GMO hates
it too, Like he's like he's a big Gilmore Girls
fan and he's like those two girls are just pushing
fucking shit around.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
There, or coffee cups the clearly don't have anything in
them and you're clearly not hot.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yes, yes, yes, did you eat on Scandal?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I think so. I feel like Leo doesn't eat or
eliminate like it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
It never felt whenever I wasn't, I will say from
an acting perspective, I think I mentioned this to you
when we talked the other day. Like when I wasn't
in the I never really figured out like there was
a there was a scene where.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I'm doing pilates, which is funny, But.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Like when I'm Scandal, when I wasn't in the suit,
I always felt the little like, I don't know, like
it didn't make sense from here up because I still
it would be like being in a full thing of
makeup but not in a gown. Yes, it always felt
a little like who is this guy if he's not
in a three thousand dollars fuit?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah, and like marching around the oval like doing his job,
like it was just like at home. It's pet it
was probably so great weird.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, but no, did you guys eat? It didn't It
doesn't we.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Eat all the time? Oh oh, you did all the time.
I would get so excited because we did. Yeah, because
our props are props guys. They would ask us. They
would ask me, I'm sure all of us, Hey, what
do you want to eat? You're eating a sandwich in
the scene.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
What do you want?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
And I'd be like, I want turkey and Swiss cheese
and ost male I was like. And then I was like,
I knew I wasn't gonna eat lunch because I was
going to eat in the scene, but I was still
so excited. And then I would take home the all
the leftovers. They'd make a few of the sandwiches and
I get to take those homes.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
In terms of like fashion moments of the week of
what we had, I don't have any hot, hot fashion.
I don't remember any of it because this episode was
so action passed.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Candy Alexander is wearing when the rest outside, Paul.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
You're right, She's in a trench another white coat.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
It's also a kind yeah, it's like it is a
kind of like all to Olivia.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Right, there's a kind of is and it's very flowy.
It looks very Olivia. Yeah. Oh, that is a great
fashion moment.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
She's coming out brief briefcase and the and she she
throws on that smile. You see, that's that smirk on
her face. Oh it's so good.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Okay, there most six degrees of horror. It has Paul
adel Signe always Eddie been in horror.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Well, the one that everyone keeps mentioning lately is the menu.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Do you have you seen the menu? I have not seen.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
It's the best acting is.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
That's what I keep curing and and and people keep
saying that you're an amazing villain in it.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Not a villain in it. You're not a villain. I
figure think something else, but maybe it's a different one.
In the menu.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
You know that it's Dominique Cren did all the food
for it, who's a huge I didn't know any of
this shit, and I had to learn it, and like
taught Ray Findes how to be a chef, and it's
all about like fine fine, fine, diying, talk about food.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
H finds the villain.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
We ate.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
We literally sat, I mean four weeks of that movie
or us sitting at having one dinner eating Are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And you ate it? Of course you were eating?
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Yeah, And then they fake fake some of it, you know,
like the scallops after a few hours.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Were potatoes, right of course.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
But Garama, you gotta see this movie because so first
of all, it takes place like in an open kitchen
fancy restaurant, so there was a functioning gourmet kitchen, and
then right off set there was another fully functioning gourmet kitchen,
so that her Sioux chef who stayed for weeks and
weeks could prepare this. Oh you're gonna if you're a
foodie and a horror guy, that.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
You are not gonna believe. I just think the acting
and that, Like I don't like horror films at all
because I'm terrified, but this is my kind of horror
film because there are some moments of like scary running around.
You don't know if someone's gonna jump out, like you know,
now people are getting murdered, so like murder is a
part of the conversation, but it's far more of a
s my vibe, like it's psychological.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
It's not like more of a thriller. But it definitely
has a horror I mean there's some horror stuff you played.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
What are your other horror films?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I see this, I think that's it.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Oh, yeah, chance your thriller.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I mean a chance is a chance is like a noir?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Would you ever do horror?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Right?
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I feel like it's better to be in it. Then
I can't watch it. I literally will think.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
About it amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Being in it would be super fun. We will be
back with more after the break. Gee, did we have
cringe worthy moments where you and I are like, Wow,
we're really bad at acting?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I had a bit I had one for myself.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Put that section in.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Your I got that. Oh yeah, I haven't.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
It's the moments that Leo Bergen had for you in
three eighteen. Uh, and I thought you were fucking great.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I biffed a couple of the lines in the scene
with Jeff in the in the in his office, there's
a couple of I tried to beat like letter, you know,
like everything enunciated, never run out of breath.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I felt like I run out of breath a couple
of times. I didn't notice. But I'll also say there's
a thing that I decided I was very It's it's
also funny.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
I don't know if you guys have this, but I
have this, like I don't like looking at myself and
I remember then being like I looked so much better
in private practice. This haircut is stupid, and now I
look at it, I'm like, I'll be pretty good.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Like it's always like five years later, you're like, what
was my problem? Oh totally, we were just talking about that.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Oh yeah, we say that all the time. I look
back on Quinn and I'm like, I hated my body, then,
what was the issue?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Like?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I was so cute? Like ever, I would love to
have that again.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
There's a thing I was particularly self conscious about at
that time, which I'm still self conscios about, and I
somehow incorporated into Leo's physicality to.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Get rid of what is it? Do you she want
to share? It's too scary. Don't you have to share?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I'm a strong believer in not saying your flaws out
loud to people because then they're like, oh, maybe he
does have like a big naive.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I saw my little thing where I was like, oh,
I was conscious of the things.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
I have things too, I have like physical things.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Will you did you have a cringe moment for you?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I have one for sure.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I thought I was so stupid and annoying twice. Isn't
there a moment where Charlie comes to Quinn and gives
me them. Oh god, it's so stupid showing it to him.
I am not showing this to my boyfriend. And then
(26:47):
I didn't think I was like stupendous when I gave
you the thing and I was like, I love you,
and you're like, never speak to me again. How dare
you show me that my real family is alive and
this is where they live? Anyway, I think I was
like great. I did not think I was great.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I didn't like the moment when Huck at the end
goes to and knocks on the door and she opens the.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Door and I'm like, it's me or whatever the hell
he says. I was, yeah, so sappy, it's so touching.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
But didn't you like the scene? Then Hawk goes in
and says, I found my family, but I think it's
better that they think I'm dead.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I like that scene, brutal. I like that.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
You're so great.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Can we talk about I.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Love Scandal because you know it's heightened and everybody has
to It is theatrical and there's moments that are very naturalistic,
but a lot of moments that are heightened. Yeah, can
we just talk about George Newburn just like sailing through,
just like like I'm not gonna He doesn't play like
I'm not I'm a bad Like if I was playing
that role, I'd be like, how do I make myself scary?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
And he's just like, hey, guys, just like sweet guy.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Yeah, bless this man. I love him so much. I
mean we were g and I were so lucky in
our like trio of fits to always be around him
because he's such a good person. But sometimes we'd be
at table reads and he would get the biggest he
would get laughs for days, right, Yeah, And sometimes he
turned to me and he'd be like, I don't know
why they're laughing, and I'd be like, like, George, don't
(28:14):
think about it, don't try to do it differently. Doing
what we do, keep doing. And I honestly think that's
how he was the whole time. I think, And we
haven't had him on yet because we're saving him for like,
I don't know when the perfect George episode is, but look, honey,
we've got seven episodes of the seven years of this
and lots of episodes would blow it too soon. But
he I think the whole time, and I can't wait
to ask him. I think he just sort of the
(28:35):
whole time was like I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Is there cake and crafty?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah, Like he's just the fucking best.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
And at the scene in the end when when we
see Maya in the hole and George is there in
the room and it's it's shot very very you know,
sort of dark and ominous, and the only brightness is
the red of his lollipop and it's so great.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
That must have been written in or I mean, I
think that's a big choice.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
If not, Oh, I thought that was written in. Every
time they had him eating it was written in like
a doughnut, a lollipop, like I remember.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Yeah, So he's so relaxed, and it works for the show,
It works in that world because there's something so creepy
about it.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
There's something else that's stuck out for me in this episode,
which I'd never seen the show do before. It's the
scene where Fit after Fits has that scene with Rowan
and he finds out that his son was murdered, and
then he's in a room with Olivia and he's telling
her it's not your fault, You're not your mother, and
the scene is all distorted it and you hear the
(29:38):
sound is all choppy and distorted and sort of going
back and forth.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
And I thought that was so interesting.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I'd never seen them do anything like that before, and
I think they were mimicking what was going on in
Live's head, you know, in her brain. She was like,
Oh my god, I'm responsible for the death of his son.
I thought that was so great.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, I'm the problem. I'm the scandal of that whole thing.
Him to fly in the ointment. Yes, yes, really interesting.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, dude, though, she gets on that plane with Scott Foley.
That's how we end the season three. She gets on
the plane.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Wait, is that the end of the season that episode,
this episode, yeah, eighteen, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Because I think she got on the plane to the
airport to have a baby, Like probably, Yeah, I think
that's what was happening, because when we come back from
this season, she's on the island, and I think she
had a baby by that point.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
But I think they get it real good.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Well it's also Carrie. I mean, my god, like, this
woman can be beautiful no matter what my pregnancy. Season
seven of Scandal, when we get there is not like that.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Is Quinn pregnant or is pregnant. Well that's different. That's different.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
No, but you could it is different.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
You could lean into it.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Oh I leaned, honey, I mean real hard.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
It's friends.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
But what were the shows like in the eighties the
nineties where they were just like it was just a
woman standing behind a counter for.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
A whole season.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Julie Bowen in the pilot episode of Modern Family, she's
behind a laundry bask she's holding a laundry basket or
behind a couch.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
That might have been twins too.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah, I think it was real. Yeah, I think it was.
And she was and I gone back and watched it,
and she was hiding to the joke on Scandal is
Kerry Washington's like Prada bags were just getting bigger and
bigger and bigger and bigger. She was just good, like
in front of her. Do you have any memories, Paul
of like behind the scenes of like, I don't think
(31:34):
me you and g never really had anything.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Did I remember the table read? The table reads were
such an event. Yes, that's when I saw.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Everybody not like that. On Private Practice.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It wasn't like that. It was like it was a
version of that.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Explain what they were to you? I think the gladiators know,
but it it was like.
Speaker 7 (31:51):
A pep perfect, which is great because it was so
it was you know, sometimes table reads, for first of all,
they can be like the cast in particular is like
they're in the middle of their day.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
They're like, we go go back to you know, it
can be it can be Yeoman's work and people try
to fly through it. There was something and it can
feel I think as a guest, it can feel like,
don't get in anybody's way, like this is their thing.
You're not on set and you're not really nobody's really
introducing you. It can feel very Hodgepodge scandal. It had
a very specific rhythm to it. There was food, Some
(32:28):
people get there a little early, there'd be milling. The
writer sat at one place, then people would take their
place around the table, and then everybody was introduced every
single time. Every single person was introduced every time, right.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Yeah, Betsy Beards would read like this playing this, but
that doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, you're right, And then there's applause.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
And it was incredibly incredibly welcoming and positive, which was great,
and it was like, oh, these people are really having
a good time, which gives you permission to have a
good time.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And then there.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Was also the thing that nobody has seen the freaking
script before. Yeah, so the first line the writers get
to watch the actors lose their fucking minds, which I
don't remember if it was this one, but I was
one where I was at where it was like the
act five out was something enormous, and then the sixth
(33:27):
like the whatever that's called like tag, yeah, was something
like triply enormous. I remember people like jumped out of
their chairs and started running.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Around the room. That happened. I think it was when Kate.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Kills her husband maybe maybe sure, because it was like
it like very much like this episode. It's like the
double reverse, like, oh my god, the blowing up of
the church is going to get her elected.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
No, the killing of the Sun is.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Going and you think Maya killed the son. Nope, it
was popa plus like a sun for a kid for
a kid. I think the table reads were the most
fun thing ever. I think think it was also because
then you fit in this world. But I think the
majority of the actors on Scandal, and this is such
a testament to Linda Lowie were theater kids, and so
like to have you know, everyone's on a TV show,
which is sort of like acting in a vacuum, and
(34:13):
then you get to have this table read once every
ten days. That felt like live fucking theater, like it
totally did. It was like make choices. This isn't like
you act small and nobody can hear you and we're
just trying to see if the script works. This was
like for it. I felt like I was paying two
hundred and fifty dollars for a Broadway ticket to watch
what jes Perry was going to do. Across the other side.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
You're a cold read a cold, and every Jeff Perry
was probably not even trying.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
He was the one who was probably like I'm just
gonna read it. But he was so freaking brilliant like Shakespeare.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah yeah, he was changing eight thousand glasses between years,
sighted and far sided, so like you never knew what
was going to happen because believable. But his performance, like
everybody's performance, I would feel like, holy shit, I better
fucking bring in get this table like people are fucking
killing this. Yeah yeah, it was so fun. Okay, I
(35:05):
want to go do some We talked about some were
you on Twitter? At the time. Yes, we do some
tweets at the time. They're like our time capsule to
see what all the fans thought about Leo Bergen or
the episode. We're gonna read some of those, and then
we need to tell all the gladiators that they can
listen to you.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
On your podcases.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
I don't want to hear about all the fancy things
you're doing, so wait, let's read some of these tweets
for our gladiators.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
My whistles are so dry.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Luke Edgman on April eighteen, twenty fourteen road. How can
it all just end like that? I feel hollow inside
the scandal? Please come back? Okay, glory, Okay girl.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
This is my One of my favorite tweets from this
episode is at c a Karen underscore. She says, you
know what scene I look forward to in season four
fits finding out that Tom killed his son hashtag scandal.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
That would have been a good fucking scene.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I know, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I don't think they ever find out.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
No, no, no, I don't know. No, I don't know
that it was Tom.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you had like.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
A thing on his finger and he's commands right hand,
right dish at gwan tweeted, watching last night's scandal, would
a paternity test be accurate in that circumstance?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Good question? Oh right, good question.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
I have no idea, all right.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Dyla at m Royals c two tweeted that Eli Pope
is something else.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
And eats myn yah yah well, Katie marry a well,
Eli Poe proved runs and for all that he's always
been several steps ahead and runs everything B six thirteen
or not hashtag scandal, which is very true.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Oh look, and at kookaburrow dot three four two tweeted
yo that Ghieremo Dias and Katie Lows they're so sexy
shooting that sex scene on the table. I want to
see more of them naked, especially Gieremo d Us. Wow,
thank you cuckoo Burah one two three real tweet.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
That is not a real tweet.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I'm going I'm going like, where the fuck is that tweet?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I'm like it should have been a tweet.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Also, Scamel, I can't believe it's taken us eight hundred
episodes of doing this for you to pull that joke.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I can't believe we haven't done it every time.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
More that, I love that Okay, So Paul, tell all
of the gladiators about your podcast.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
So I, me and Sarah Waen Callus, who is the
female lead on prison Break, have started a prison Break
rewatch podcast where we do a live rewatch, which is
to live well the audio is our responses to it are.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
And then like watching it in real time as.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
You we do it together in real time and then
we cut together like highlights of us being.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Like, oh, ship, that's that's good. We put that in
the middle of the episode.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
But we have guests on and we talk about each
episode in where we've had directors, writers, actors, and we're
going through. We're in the middle of season one right now.
Just just started it on It's everywhere. It's on all
wherever you get a podcasts is called prison Breaking with
Sarah and I.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Love it title, and it's.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
At prison at prison Break podcast Instagram.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
That's it's been really really fun. Yeah, show is it hold?
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Like are you watching it back? Like g and I
watched and Scandal and we're like, ship, this was good, Like.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah, yeah, it does.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
And it's actually so much it's so far away that
actually it's like I don't even recognize the same I'm
not remembering ship. I'm like you, like, when was it
two thousand and five four five six?
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yeah, that's fucking awesome. What else are you working on?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
You know, trying to, trying to. I got a couple
of things I'm waiting to hear on.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
And well, you always have a lot of irons in
the fire for those every time. It not only an actor,
he's a director, an actor, a writer, a producer. And
you are very very a multi high infinated artists unlike me.
And oh and he's a very talented musician with records
out the world that are like real in my household.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Play a little something for us right now.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
I wish we music. He's a musical genius. He plays
like eight thousand instruments.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Paul spots Spotify. Just put a song out a couple
weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
You will love it.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Like I'm like Adam, I'm like your husband.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Single instrument. Can't reading his assa anyone can do that.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
That's not true.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Oh, Paul's so talented, that's unbelievable. Okay, so we're gonna
listen to your podcast, okay, and next up, listeners, Oh
my god, this is the end all be all of
season three of Scandal because next up is episode four
oh one titled Randy Red Super Freak and.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Julia remember that one? I remember that too.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
And thank you all so much for season going through
season three, which I have to say, going back watching
seasons one, two, and three, I think three is my
favorite so far.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, it's a really good one.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
It's just like off the track crazy, Like it's amazing
how much plot they are singing into forty two minutes,
and I just as an actor, like, I'm such a
fan of everyone's acting. I just can't believe it, Like
it's just such great work.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
But and the fact that we had Paul on this
final episode, Yeah, I'm so honest.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Season I was watching, I was rewatching the episode to
get prepared for this, and I was just like, I
just let it roll right into season before.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
It is so hard. I was like, I gotta, I
gotta go.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
I gotta get ready for Leo Bergen sleeping with Abby
Yet then when did that happen?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Later? Cute like five.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I cannot wait to listen to that. I can't wait
to watch it. We still have so much juicy shit
to get to, soho, thanks for unpacking the toolbox with us.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yes, thanky listeners. Thank you guys. Thank you guys, have
such a pleasure to be thank you. This was awesome.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Adios.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Thank you guys for joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox.
If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe, share with your friends, rate,
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Speaker 3 (41:13):
Unpacking the Toolbox was executive produced by Sandy Bailey, Alex Alcea,
Lauren Homan, Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and
editor is Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Scandal is a production of ABC Signature, and you can
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Speaker 3 (41:30):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
A right, Katie? Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, do you start? You start shooting on Thursday tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I take the plane. Oh, I take the plane, and
I take the plane across the country to Shawlotte, North Carolina.
And then I go and I quickly drive and they
dye my gray hair, and then I go to sleep.
Seas I wake up five o'clock in the morning and
I shoot all day in a church because I'm the
preacher's wife.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Wait, but tomorrow's Wednesday, right? Or today's Whendnesday?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh? Today is Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
No, Today's Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Today Tuesday?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Wednesday? I shoot Thursday?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Gotcha? Got you? You shoot Thursday.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
This episode is insane. Yeah, this is where we fuck
on the table.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I always loved it with your answer on your.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Ankles doggie style.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
But we wouldn't have wanted to wrap up season three
with any one other than the famous Leo Bergen. We
loved that guy.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You're so fun to play.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
We love you, Paul Adelstein. Thank you for being on
the podcast. Favorite Leo Bergen line of all time. Do
you remember it?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Give me another hit of that bourbon and I'll touch
your boob. I think was one of them. That's very
first monologue.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
There was something about it smells like failure, it smells
like Nixon in seventy two.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
It was I don't remember exactly what it was.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
It is incredible when you're like, Nope, I won't work
with the president of the United States because is going
to lose it.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Losers Yeah, yeah, a loser. Yeah good wow.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Paul setup as like fucking oh, because you're a musician,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I admire that.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I love people they play instruments. I can't play shit.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
You literally can play instruments and read music.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Also, I'm doing a podcast, but yeah, I'm a musician,
so you are. Yeah, yeah, what is? What is?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
It's a prison break we watch, which actually we can
talk about it during a thing. But I was like,
I haven't watched prison break in a hundred years, but like,
there are so many similarities.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Really yeah, which I didn't even at the time.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Notice, first of all, the I'm whatokie, we can talk
about if it's interesting to talk about, but like prison
Break in twenty four felt like Prisoner came right after
twenty four, like a couple of years later.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It was the first time that they did that. Just
the level of twists and turns. Yeah, but the intensity.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Of the act break to act break action is insane.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
We have the lash.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
We're how fucking cool. Leo barget Leo bar Leo barfin
Leo Bergen is one of my all time favorite television
characters period. It doesn't even have the best Scandal verse,
Like he is such a oh my.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Gosh, I think we all have.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I remember you coming on set and being so excited
because you're just so sparky and excited and just cocky.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Like your character is so cocky. It's so much fun
to watch. I love that You've always loved him.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
How How did it did Shonda call you and say
I've got a role for you? I mean, Liza while
who you and her have the most beautiful teenager ever?
And Liza played Amanda Tanner first season of Scandal and
also is very big in the Shondaland universe on How
to Get Away with Murder? But tell me, Paul, you
(03:50):
being private practice, how do you get a call from
Shonda Rhimes that says okay, now I want you to
do this major part on skin.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
So I had done six years of private practice, which
I think we did one hundred and eleven, and I
directed a couple and Da Da Da dah, and so
I was ponded part of the Shonda universe.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And then in season two, I.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Think I got a thing from my manager saying, Shanda
and you know, Linda called Lindalloi called hint, Shanda has
this role that she wants you to do in Scandal,
which was like, I was so into Scandal.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
You were already Oh my god, I was so into it.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
I mean, Liza done it. But also it was the
Shonda verse. I knew people. There was a lot of
that we shot on that lot. Sometimes there was a
lot of overlap writers and.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Producers and directors certainly back you guys. And then I
got it and it was just.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
This monologue, but like at Scandal pace, and I was
so psyched. I was like, I was so flattered that
I was like, there's going to be a Cooper role
coming my way, which was my character in private right.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Couldn't be further from Cooper.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
It couldn't be further from it.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
And and then what was doubly exciting for me was
I grew up in Chicago and going to Steppenwolf, and
I knew Jeff Perry. I knew him when I was
in my early twenties. I had done plays there. He
had come to them. I had been dating someone. He
was like a mentor to her, like you know, and
I'd never worked with him. I'd never done a bounce
(05:21):
of acting with the guy. So then it was like,
here's your first dance scandal. It's a monologue in the
Oval office with Jeff Perry.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
No a goal, like a huge icon, especially in Chicago theater.
Oh my god. He's like, yeah, you know, he's Daniel
da Lewis of Chicago Theaters.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
And I will say that one of the benefits was,
I don't know why this is because I know this
isn't true on television a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I had that like three weeks early.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Oh wow, yeah, that is that is odd first candle.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
So I was yeah for anything, anything, and so I
was just non stop wanted I knew that thing.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I think I probably still know.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
It was like your you knew abouts of words, but
did it almost make you more nervous because you had
it for like too long. No, you felt good about it?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
No, because it's so musical, it's so it's so tight
like that you can't over prepare.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I mean like you to just know that. Yeah, she
a forward. Yeah, I mean it was like a dance. Right.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
How was it when you get on set with Jeff
Perry in the Oval office your first day? Are you
fucking intimidated? Were you like, I got this? How did
you feel?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I felt like it's that sports thing that I love
about acting.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Sometimes you're like, you know, you're stay in it, get okay,
that one wasn't good, Get back in there. That one
coming around? You got this?
Speaker 4 (06:43):
You know, Like I I was very I was confident
because I felt like, you know, I think Varico was directing.
But everyone's also so supportive, and you know, it doesn't
happen a lot where you get offered a role, which
is also in a way more stressful. Yeah, yeah, for sure,
because they're like, no one has seen me do this,
they don't know if I can do this.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I almost prefer to audition sometimes or read for it
to a quick reason too.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I'm like, they know what I'm buying, Like they know
what they bought. We're all on the same page. I'm
in the world of the show. If you get offered,
you show up and you're like, ooh good, Like I
hope my interpretation is anywhere near what you were hoping for.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Like that happened to me on something and it still
sticks in my craw and because then I went back
to do like a second and third half rosas and
they're like, they're asking if you can make it a
little less and I was like, oh.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Man, it's already too I know, yeah, And it's a
beloved show. And now every time I just.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Think Leo Bergen, I mean, in knowing you and being
friends with you is so First of all, it was
a combination of so many things. It really I think
got to show us all how fucking trained and skilled
you are, and like what a theater titan you know,
like you just are so good at voice and speech
and talking fast, like that was stuff you probably hadn't
done a ton of on TV. And then I just
(08:00):
thought it was such a fucking character. I mean, the
way his hair was parted, Like were those all your
ideas or were they someone else's ideas?
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I said that I wanted like a guy trying to
have a Bobby Bobby Kennedy hair I who.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Can't so perfect? That's so perfect? And then I remember
going to I don't remember what the actual description was.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
I have the script, but I remember going to the
fitting and it being like, oh, this is like a
three thousand dollars suit.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Oh shit, really, this is no joke, like this is
the real DC shit.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
And that gave me that those things on and it
is it is like, you know, it's gladiatory.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It's like, oh yeah, I am going powerful. You felt powerful.
I have a pocket square, I got cuff links.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
When I put on those flannels, Paul, listen. But the exhilaration,
I felt the trashiness that I felt inside.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Right, You're like I want to torture some people.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, you probably felt good GI and like the plastic
apron like nextured out.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Oh hell yeah, and the glow.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I know that you guys have brought me on this
episode to just talk about YouTube banging.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Oh I can't wait to get there. Okay, let's talk
about this episode. Thanks for the segue. This guy might
also be hosting his own motherfucking podcast. Is why this
bitch is going to a segue. We are talking about
episode three eighteen, called The Price of Free and Fair Elections,
which aired on April seventeenth in twenty fourteen, and.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
It was written by Shanda Rhimes and Mark Wilding, and
it was directed by the Tom Verica to burst.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
We Love Him so Much. It was guest starring John
Tenny as Andrew Nichols, Dylan Minnette as Jerry Grant Junior,
Madeline Carol as Karen Grant. Mackenzie asked it as Noah Baker.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Paul Edelstein is Leo Bergen just to get as Kim
Erica Schaeffer, as reported Julia, do.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
You think you could read the synopsis in scandal pace?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Sometimes scandle pace.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yeah, let's see, I'm just going to do scandal play. Yes,
Paul the President, your campaign swrings back and forth. Who
seems to be winning the race until a sudden death
almost guarantees Fits wull Win. Titans collide when Fits and
Eli joined four to stop my who they both believe
killed Fitz's son, until the ending shows us how it
all really went down and the only person who figured
it out won't be returning next season.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
See how good that is?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I kind of swell up that ship like twice already.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Like it was so good a scandal pace.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
That is, I mean, get this guy a fucking voiceover careers.
Everybody listening to the.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You know how any voiceover editions I do a week?
Speaker 3 (10:26):
How many four?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
You know how many I have brooked? Zero?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Dude, same, I cannot I cannot book.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
So a bomb goes off to try to kill Sally
Langston or something. Everybody runs out of it.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Is it a church, it's a church, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Ever's a church. Everyone's running out, running out in boom,
the whole thing explodes, and Leo Bergen runs up to
Sally Langston and he's like, don't you fucking miss this opportunity.
This is your fucking chance.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
This is Jesus.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Go be Jesus.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
So creepy and rips are. Yeah, put some dirt on her,
like kind.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Of hidden behind a car door. You put her on
her face, you rip off her sleeve, you send her out,
and then she starts like tying people's like making suit
turn and turn a kid. So that's the word. And
then everyone says, let's bend down and pray, and Tom
Verka so brilliantly it goes from color to black days
and everyone kneels down to pray puts their head down,
puts their heads together, and it just closed with Leo
Bergen is looking straightforward, not praying, with the biggest on
(11:25):
his twisted good.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Actually, I don't remember.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I mean, I'm sure I talked to Tom about it,
but I don't remember if it was in the thing
or not. There's also the thing is so cool when
when the like don't when Olivia is like, why is
the president? Split screens and then each screen goes to her.
Such a cool media.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Moment was so great.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It was so great.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
We'll be right back, guys.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Paul favorite moments we call it care Washington School of
Acting moments. Are there anybody's performance in this app that
like just fucking killed you?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Uh? The Fits picked with the son in his arms
thing kills me? Oh so good, kills me? Kills me,
kills me.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
This is the episode that little Jerry Junior murdered. We
don't know if Jerry Junior is Fits his baby or
Big Jers Big Jerry's baby from the awful rape episode.
But but he dies, he gets a he fucking dies
and like, oh my.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
God, he just kill a fourteen year old yo.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
The fact that they're killing kids on this show, I wrote,
Jerry dying, This show is no joke.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
They killing kids.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
The killing lists like when a show starts killing fucking
kids like teenage, Like you know that that shit is hardcore,
Like Shanda was not playing your son.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, like murder it's so awful, which eventually which essentially
becomes the thing why Fitz gets reelected. Yes, it's such
a That was one of my favorite acting moments was
the Jeff Perry Kerry Washington scene in the hospital at
the hospital where there she's like, Jerry Junior just died.
And the first thing I thought was fits is going
to win the election, and Jeff is like Sally Langston
(13:16):
the church blew up, and the first thing I thought
was we're going to lose the election. And they're like
when did we become monsters about people?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I liked it.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
He says to Leo, try to hold on to your
soul if you still have one, that's right, And Leo's like,
so soul.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
What are you?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, like you're when Quinn and Hawk are already sleeping together.
Obviously at this point we're sleeping.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
That's not a reveal.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
That's not a reveal, right, but you're wearing what are
they called like a garter belt to work?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Did you also, I don't know what to believe.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I may have free trained it. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Maybe maybe you imagine that you created that in your head.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Can we tell the story of why we had to
do Doggy?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
So this is the This also okay three eighteen, This
fucking episode is insane for one hundred reasons. A fourteen
year old old killing kids is die. I mean, it's awful.
Kid died, It's horrible. And then also Abby walks in
on Quinn and Hawk having sex kind of leaning over
bent over from behind on the o PA conference table Doggy,
(14:24):
which that table is in the Shondaland offices at Rowley Studios,
And every time I go there, I walk past and
I'm like, I fucked on that. But this story, Paul,
is so funny. I come into work that day. The
scene was originally written that g is laying on the
conference table and Quinn is straddling him when Abby walks
(14:44):
in and I walk in and what happens Germo.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I have a fucking cold sore on my fucking lip
because the night before, two nights before I had I
had to get taken to the hospital because I had
an allergic reaction to too nuts.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I'm allergic to nuts anyway, so it just.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Sparks shit in my body and the other nuts, yeah,
other nuts, not all nuts.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
It was two days before we shot the scene. He
had it, got rushed to the hospital like near death
experience and whole's body like action.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
To closing, like scary shit. Yeah, all that shit.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
So we had like boils on his face and like.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Which sometimes it'll spark right, it sparks up like shutting
your body and then you get like whatever. And we
were supposed to be like making out, like you know,
Quinn straddling Huk and we were like, you guys, we
can't do that obviously. So I don't know who.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Came up with it.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Erica, no, Tom Verica. They're like, fuck, what do we do?
Tom Verica calls up the ladder to Shonda. I'm pretty
damn sure, but it could be wrong. I don't know
if I remember it this way for a dramatic effect
or if it's true. So, like Shonda, if you're listening,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Probably did for such a change of you know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
The scene he.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Probably did shown scandal without nothing that big would be
and change going up the flapole, so it came back, well,
if he if she, if he just takes her from behind,
then they won't have to kiss.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah, where was the intimacy coordinator?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
We didn't have them, but it makes it so funny
and we'll never forget it because they would say back
to one, and G would kind.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Of waddle.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Around the set, you know, back and forth to like
kind of go back okay, and then waddle back in
like it was so not sexy, is what it was.
G and I had some very sexy sex scenes that
we did a great job and they were very soon.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
On top of the car was very sexy. I felt
super sexy car.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
We were very sexy. And there was another time like
in your office that was very sexy.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Speaking of sexy sex scenes, I feel like Paul had
a couple on Scandal.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Didn't you have one with the Abby?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
We had a makeup we never really we had like
one kiss in the press room and then we were
in bed together, but we never got it.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
We never really got it on. It was like me
with a nightguard and it was always hold on. But
I have a question.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Can I ask you guys a question about that scene? Yeah,
the other thing is like we've all done sex scenes.
This was also a sex scene where then your castmates
walk in, so it's like, I mean, it's all it's
already embarrassing kind of or what embarrassing intimate however you
want to put it.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
But then at least you get I guess then you
don't really have to play it. You're like, yep, here
we are, Yeah, yeah, yeah we were. Arby's really funny
and that scene clean that up and that.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
And that, and then there's they're turned on from the blood,
like they're on that.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Somebody got staff Jo Maestat, she's terrifying, terrifying Alexander, Okay,
what else?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
What other moments and people love from the episode?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I love I love the scene where after Olivia tells
Fits that Mellie was raped by Big Jerry and then
he walks in and and tells Mellie. I love that
scene between them too, and she's like drinking, she's getting
you know, she's getting fucked up, and it's just such
a such a beautiful scene. Like their work is so
good in that one. I love that one.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
She's like you know, yea, which is so good because
they don't have to explain it. Wait, okay, what about
did anybody eat in this episode? We we're obsessed with.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Food, right, I was eating on camera. It's my favorite
thing in the world. Oh, I love it.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
See we we had Scott Foley on the other day
and he was like, you cannot eat on camera, and.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
He was always eating on camera.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I thought that he's pretending.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I was. Oh, I would eat my ass off on
camera me too.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
See that's because you're a Chicago actor. There was only
one other person I've worked with, Laurie Metcalf, and she
would always do family dinner scenes. I mean, if you
look at not the.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Connors's Bank theory eat all the time.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Had dinner scenes all the time as a family around
the dinner table. You watch Master eating.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I just eat.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
I've gotten actually physically into trouble. Really You're like, I
not have, but like I have bar oh shit.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Really?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Well, first of all, there was a private practice one
where one I don't I think it was Chris Lowell
is like in the hospital dying and my character is
like stress eating. And it wasn't a nice snickers and
it wasn't a muffin it was, but it was something
sweet and heavy and like the joke was he just
keeps eating it, which.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You're eating your feelings.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Yeah, but you do it in one because that's the joke.
And I did it like seven, you know, seven times.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
See that's that's hard.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
And then on the show Gets Shorty, I was on
the show Get Shorty, my character like it says that
he eats a steak in this scene. I ate like
one hundred and forty ounces of steak that I did
because I was like, I was like, I was kind
of I made Frankly, I made myself to up because
I was like, I was picturing the next twelve hours
(20:03):
of my life, and I was like, I can either
like have meat sweats and go lay on the floor
in my house or just get rid of into this.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah I would. I would have made the same choice,
to be honest.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
And it was still there, it was still fresh in
your body. Yeah, it's probably easy to get rid of.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
It's a fat peeve of mine.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
When people aren't good at fake eating, when they're just
pushing food around on it.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I can't stand we talk about it as GMO hates
it too, Like he's like he's a big Gilmore Girls
fan and he's like those two girls are just pushing
fucking shit around.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
There, or coffee cups the clearly don't have anything in
them and you're clearly not hot.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yes, yes, yes, did you eat on Scandal?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I think so. I feel like Leo doesn't eat or
eliminate like it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
It never felt whenever I wasn't, I will say from
an acting perspective, I think I mentioned this to you
when we talked the other day. Like when I wasn't
in the I never really figured out like there was
a there was a scene where.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I'm doing pilates, which is funny, But.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Like when I'm Scandal, when I wasn't in the suit,
I always felt the little like, I don't know, like
it didn't make sense from here up because I still
it would be like being in a full thing of
makeup but not in a gown. Yes, it always felt
a little like who is this guy if he's not
in a three thousand dollars fuit?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah, and like marching around the oval like doing his job,
like it was just like at home. It's pet it
was probably so great weird.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, but no, did you guys eat? It didn't It
doesn't we.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Eat all the time? Oh oh, you did all the time.
I would get so excited because we did. Yeah, because
our props are props guys. They would ask us. They
would ask me, I'm sure all of us, Hey, what
do you want to eat? You're eating a sandwich in
the scene.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
What do you want?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
And I'd be like, I want turkey and Swiss cheese
and ost male I was like. And then I was like,
I knew I wasn't gonna eat lunch because I was
going to eat in the scene, but I was still
so excited. And then I would take home the all
the leftovers. They'd make a few of the sandwiches and
I get to take those homes.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
In terms of like fashion moments of the week of
what we had, I don't have any hot, hot fashion.
I don't remember any of it because this episode was
so action passed.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Candy Alexander is wearing when the rest outside, Paul.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
You're right, She's in a trench another white coat.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
It's also a kind yeah, it's like it is a
kind of like all to Olivia.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Right, there's a kind of is and it's very flowy.
It looks very Olivia. Yeah. Oh, that is a great
fashion moment.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
She's coming out brief briefcase and the and she she
throws on that smile. You see, that's that smirk on
her face. Oh it's so good.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Okay, there most six degrees of horror. It has Paul
adel Signe always Eddie been in horror.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Well, the one that everyone keeps mentioning lately is the menu.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Do you have you seen the menu? I have not seen.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
It's the best acting is.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
That's what I keep curing and and and people keep
saying that you're an amazing villain in it.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Not a villain in it. You're not a villain. I
figure think something else, but maybe it's a different one.
In the menu.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
You know that it's Dominique Cren did all the food
for it, who's a huge I didn't know any of
this shit, and I had to learn it, and like
taught Ray Findes how to be a chef, and it's
all about like fine fine, fine, diying, talk about food.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
H finds the villain.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
We ate.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
We literally sat, I mean four weeks of that movie
or us sitting at having one dinner eating Are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And you ate it? Of course you were eating?
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Yeah, And then they fake fake some of it, you know,
like the scallops after a few hours.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Were potatoes, right of course.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
But Garama, you gotta see this movie because so first
of all, it takes place like in an open kitchen
fancy restaurant, so there was a functioning gourmet kitchen, and
then right off set there was another fully functioning gourmet kitchen,
so that her Sioux chef who stayed for weeks and
weeks could prepare this. Oh you're gonna if you're a
foodie and a horror guy, that.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
You are not gonna believe. I just think the acting
and that, Like I don't like horror films at all
because I'm terrified, but this is my kind of horror
film because there are some moments of like scary running around.
You don't know if someone's gonna jump out, like you know,
now people are getting murdered, so like murder is a
part of the conversation, but it's far more of a
s my vibe, like it's psychological.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
It's not like more of a thriller. But it definitely
has a horror I mean there's some horror stuff you played.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
What are your other horror films?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I see this, I think that's it.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Oh, yeah, chance your thriller.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I mean a chance is a chance is like a noir?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Would you ever do horror?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Right?
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I feel like it's better to be in it. Then
I can't watch it. I literally will think.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
About it amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Being in it would be super fun. We will be
back with more after the break. Gee, did we have
cringe worthy moments where you and I are like, Wow,
we're really bad at acting?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I had a bit I had one for myself.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Put that section in.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Your I got that. Oh yeah, I haven't.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
It's the moments that Leo Bergen had for you in
three eighteen. Uh, and I thought you were fucking great.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I biffed a couple of the lines in the scene
with Jeff in the in the in his office, there's
a couple of I tried to beat like letter, you know,
like everything enunciated, never run out of breath.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I felt like I run out of breath a couple
of times. I didn't notice. But I'll also say there's
a thing that I decided I was very It's it's
also funny.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
I don't know if you guys have this, but I
have this, like I don't like looking at myself and
I remember then being like I looked so much better
in private practice. This haircut is stupid, and now I
look at it, I'm like, I'll be pretty good.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Like it's always like five years later, you're like, what
was my problem? Oh totally, we were just talking about that.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Oh yeah, we say that all the time. I look
back on Quinn and I'm like, I hated my body, then,
what was the issue?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Like?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I was so cute? Like ever, I would love to
have that again.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
There's a thing I was particularly self conscious about at
that time, which I'm still self conscios about, and I
somehow incorporated into Leo's physicality to.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Get rid of what is it? Do you she want
to share? It's too scary. Don't you have to share?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I'm a strong believer in not saying your flaws out
loud to people because then they're like, oh, maybe he
does have like a big naive.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I saw my little thing where I was like, oh,
I was conscious of the things.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
I have things too, I have like physical things.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Will you did you have a cringe moment for you?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I have one for sure.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I thought I was so stupid and annoying twice. Isn't
there a moment where Charlie comes to Quinn and gives
me them. Oh god, it's so stupid showing it to him.
I am not showing this to my boyfriend. And then
(26:47):
I didn't think I was like stupendous when I gave
you the thing and I was like, I love you,
and you're like, never speak to me again. How dare
you show me that my real family is alive and
this is where they live? Anyway, I think I was
like great. I did not think I was great.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I didn't like the moment when Huck at the end
goes to and knocks on the door and she opens the.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Door and I'm like, it's me or whatever the hell
he says. I was, yeah, so sappy, it's so touching.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
But didn't you like the scene? Then Hawk goes in
and says, I found my family, but I think it's
better that they think I'm dead.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I like that scene, brutal. I like that.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
You're so great.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Can we talk about I.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Love Scandal because you know it's heightened and everybody has
to It is theatrical and there's moments that are very naturalistic,
but a lot of moments that are heightened. Yeah, can
we just talk about George Newburn just like sailing through,
just like like I'm not gonna He doesn't play like
I'm not I'm a bad Like if I was playing
that role, I'd be like, how do I make myself scary?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
And he's just like, hey, guys, just like sweet guy.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Yeah, bless this man. I love him so much. I
mean we were g and I were so lucky in
our like trio of fits to always be around him
because he's such a good person. But sometimes we'd be
at table reads and he would get the biggest he
would get laughs for days, right, Yeah, And sometimes he
turned to me and he'd be like, I don't know
why they're laughing, and I'd be like, like, George, don't
(28:14):
think about it, don't try to do it differently. Doing
what we do, keep doing. And I honestly think that's
how he was the whole time. I think, And we
haven't had him on yet because we're saving him for like,
I don't know when the perfect George episode is, but look, honey,
we've got seven episodes of the seven years of this
and lots of episodes would blow it too soon. But
he I think the whole time, and I can't wait
to ask him. I think he just sort of the
(28:35):
whole time was like I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Is there cake and crafty?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah, Like he's just the fucking best.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
And at the scene in the end when when we
see Maya in the hole and George is there in
the room and it's it's shot very very you know,
sort of dark and ominous, and the only brightness is
the red of his lollipop and it's so great.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
That must have been written in or I mean, I
think that's a big choice.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
If not, Oh, I thought that was written in. Every
time they had him eating it was written in like
a doughnut, a lollipop, like I remember.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Yeah, So he's so relaxed, and it works for the show,
It works in that world because there's something so creepy
about it.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
There's something else that's stuck out for me in this episode,
which I'd never seen the show do before. It's the
scene where Fit after Fits has that scene with Rowan
and he finds out that his son was murdered, and
then he's in a room with Olivia and he's telling
her it's not your fault, You're not your mother, and
the scene is all distorted it and you hear the
(29:38):
sound is all choppy and distorted and sort of going
back and forth.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
And I thought that was so interesting.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I'd never seen them do anything like that before, and
I think they were mimicking what was going on in
Live's head, you know, in her brain. She was like,
Oh my god, I'm responsible for the death of his son.
I thought that was so great.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, I'm the problem. I'm the scandal of that whole thing.
Him to fly in the ointment. Yes, yes, really interesting.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, dude, though, she gets on that plane with Scott Foley.
That's how we end the season three. She gets on
the plane.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Wait, is that the end of the season that episode,
this episode, yeah, eighteen, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Because I think she got on the plane to the
airport to have a baby, Like probably, Yeah, I think
that's what was happening, because when we come back from
this season, she's on the island, and I think she
had a baby by that point.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
But I think they get it real good.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Well it's also Carrie. I mean, my god, like, this
woman can be beautiful no matter what my pregnancy. Season
seven of Scandal, when we get there is not like that.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Is Quinn pregnant or is pregnant. Well that's different. That's different.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
No, but you could it is different.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
You could lean into it.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Oh I leaned, honey, I mean real hard.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
It's friends.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
But what were the shows like in the eighties the
nineties where they were just like it was just a
woman standing behind a counter for.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
A whole season.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Julie Bowen in the pilot episode of Modern Family, she's
behind a laundry bask she's holding a laundry basket or
behind a couch.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
That might have been twins too.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah, I think it was real. Yeah, I think it was.
And she was and I gone back and watched it,
and she was hiding to the joke on Scandal is
Kerry Washington's like Prada bags were just getting bigger and
bigger and bigger and bigger. She was just good, like
in front of her. Do you have any memories, Paul
of like behind the scenes of like, I don't think
(31:34):
me you and g never really had anything.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Did I remember the table read? The table reads were
such an event. Yes, that's when I saw.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Everybody not like that. On Private Practice.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It wasn't like that. It was like it was a
version of that.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Explain what they were to you? I think the gladiators know,
but it it was like.
Speaker 7 (31:51):
A pep perfect, which is great because it was so
it was you know, sometimes table reads, for first of all,
they can be like the cast in particular is like
they're in the middle of their day.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
They're like, we go go back to you know, it
can be it can be Yeoman's work and people try
to fly through it. There was something and it can
feel I think as a guest, it can feel like,
don't get in anybody's way, like this is their thing.
You're not on set and you're not really nobody's really
introducing you. It can feel very Hodgepodge scandal. It had
a very specific rhythm to it. There was food, Some
(32:28):
people get there a little early, there'd be milling. The
writer sat at one place, then people would take their
place around the table, and then everybody was introduced every
single time. Every single person was introduced every time, right.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Yeah, Betsy Beards would read like this playing this, but
that doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, you're right, And then there's applause.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
And it was incredibly incredibly welcoming and positive, which was great,
and it was like, oh, these people are really having
a good time, which gives you permission to have a
good time.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And then there.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Was also the thing that nobody has seen the freaking
script before. Yeah, so the first line the writers get
to watch the actors lose their fucking minds, which I
don't remember if it was this one, but I was
one where I was at where it was like the
act five out was something enormous, and then the sixth
(33:27):
like the whatever that's called like tag, yeah, was something
like triply enormous. I remember people like jumped out of
their chairs and started running.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Around the room. That happened. I think it was when Kate.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Kills her husband maybe maybe sure, because it was like
it like very much like this episode. It's like the
double reverse, like, oh my god, the blowing up of
the church is going to get her elected.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
No, the killing of the Sun is.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Going and you think Maya killed the son. Nope, it
was popa plus like a sun for a kid for
a kid. I think the table reads were the most
fun thing ever. I think think it was also because
then you fit in this world. But I think the
majority of the actors on Scandal, and this is such
a testament to Linda Lowie were theater kids, and so
like to have you know, everyone's on a TV show,
which is sort of like acting in a vacuum, and
(34:13):
then you get to have this table read once every
ten days. That felt like live fucking theater, like it
totally did. It was like make choices. This isn't like
you act small and nobody can hear you and we're
just trying to see if the script works. This was
like for it. I felt like I was paying two
hundred and fifty dollars for a Broadway ticket to watch
what jes Perry was going to do. Across the other side.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
You're a cold read a cold, and every Jeff Perry
was probably not even trying.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
He was the one who was probably like I'm just
gonna read it. But he was so freaking brilliant like Shakespeare.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah yeah, he was changing eight thousand glasses between years,
sighted and far sided, so like you never knew what
was going to happen because believable. But his performance, like
everybody's performance, I would feel like, holy shit, I better
fucking bring in get this table like people are fucking
killing this. Yeah yeah, it was so fun. Okay, I
(35:05):
want to go do some We talked about some were
you on Twitter? At the time. Yes, we do some
tweets at the time. They're like our time capsule to
see what all the fans thought about Leo Bergen or
the episode. We're gonna read some of those, and then
we need to tell all the gladiators that they can
listen to you.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
On your podcases.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
I don't want to hear about all the fancy things
you're doing, so wait, let's read some of these tweets
for our gladiators.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
My whistles are so dry.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Luke Edgman on April eighteen, twenty fourteen road. How can
it all just end like that? I feel hollow inside
the scandal? Please come back? Okay, glory, Okay girl.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
This is my One of my favorite tweets from this
episode is at c a Karen underscore. She says, you
know what scene I look forward to in season four
fits finding out that Tom killed his son hashtag scandal.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
That would have been a good fucking scene.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I know, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I don't think they ever find out.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
No, no, no, I don't know. No, I don't know
that it was Tom.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you had like.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
A thing on his finger and he's commands right hand,
right dish at gwan tweeted, watching last night's scandal, would
a paternity test be accurate in that circumstance?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Good question? Oh right, good question.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
I have no idea, all right.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Dyla at m Royals c two tweeted that Eli Pope
is something else.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
And eats myn yah yah well, Katie marry a well,
Eli Poe proved runs and for all that he's always
been several steps ahead and runs everything B six thirteen
or not hashtag scandal, which is very true.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Oh look, and at kookaburrow dot three four two tweeted
yo that Ghieremo Dias and Katie Lows they're so sexy
shooting that sex scene on the table. I want to
see more of them naked, especially Gieremo d Us. Wow,
thank you cuckoo Burah one two three real tweet.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
That is not a real tweet.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I'm going I'm going like, where the fuck is that tweet?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I'm like it should have been a tweet.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Also, Scamel, I can't believe it's taken us eight hundred
episodes of doing this for you to pull that joke.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I can't believe we haven't done it every time.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
More that, I love that Okay, So Paul, tell all
of the gladiators about your podcast.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
So I, me and Sarah Waen Callus, who is the
female lead on prison Break, have started a prison Break
rewatch podcast where we do a live rewatch, which is
to live well the audio is our responses to it are.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
And then like watching it in real time as.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
You we do it together in real time and then
we cut together like highlights of us being.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Like, oh, ship, that's that's good. We put that in
the middle of the episode.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
But we have guests on and we talk about each
episode in where we've had directors, writers, actors, and we're
going through. We're in the middle of season one right now.
Just just started it on It's everywhere. It's on all
wherever you get a podcasts is called prison Breaking with
Sarah and I.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Love it title, and it's.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
At prison at prison Break podcast Instagram.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
That's it's been really really fun. Yeah, show is it hold?
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Like are you watching it back? Like g and I
watched and Scandal and we're like, ship, this was good, Like.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah, yeah, it does.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
And it's actually so much it's so far away that
actually it's like I don't even recognize the same I'm
not remembering ship. I'm like you, like, when was it
two thousand and five four five six?
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yeah, that's fucking awesome. What else are you working on?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
You know, trying to, trying to. I got a couple
of things I'm waiting to hear on.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
And well, you always have a lot of irons in
the fire for those every time. It not only an actor,
he's a director, an actor, a writer, a producer. And
you are very very a multi high infinated artists unlike me.
And oh and he's a very talented musician with records
out the world that are like real in my household.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Play a little something for us right now.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
I wish we music. He's a musical genius. He plays
like eight thousand instruments.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Paul spots Spotify. Just put a song out a couple
weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
You will love it.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Like I'm like Adam, I'm like your husband.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Single instrument. Can't reading his assa anyone can do that.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
That's not true.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Oh, Paul's so talented, that's unbelievable. Okay, so we're gonna
listen to your podcast, okay, and next up, listeners, Oh
my god, this is the end all be all of
season three of Scandal because next up is episode four
oh one titled Randy Red Super Freak and.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Julia remember that one? I remember that too.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
And thank you all so much for season going through
season three, which I have to say, going back watching
seasons one, two, and three, I think three is my
favorite so far.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, it's a really good one.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
It's just like off the track crazy, Like it's amazing
how much plot they are singing into forty two minutes,
and I just as an actor, like, I'm such a
fan of everyone's acting. I just can't believe it, Like
it's just such great work.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
But and the fact that we had Paul on this
final episode, Yeah, I'm so honest.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Season I was watching, I was rewatching the episode to
get prepared for this, and I was just like, I
just let it roll right into season before.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
It is so hard. I was like, I gotta, I
gotta go.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
I gotta get ready for Leo Bergen sleeping with Abby
Yet then when did that happen?
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Later? Cute like five.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I cannot wait to listen to that. I can't wait
to watch it. We still have so much juicy shit
to get to, soho, thanks for unpacking the toolbox with us.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yes, thanky listeners. Thank you guys. Thank you guys, have
such a pleasure to be thank you. This was awesome.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Adios.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Thank you guys for joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox.
If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe, share with your friends, rate,
or leave us a review.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Unpacking the Toolbox was executive produced by Sandy Bailey, Alex Alcea,
Lauren Homan, Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and
editor is Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
Scandal is a production of ABC Signature, and you can
follow along by rewatching Scandal on Hulu.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in
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