October 15, 2025 • 45 mins
Lala asks everything you want to know about the untraditional Heather Dubrow!
From her future on RHOC to her bedroom antics with Dr. Dubrow, our beloved fancy pants lets Lala into her private life.
Plus hear Heather’s take on the MAJOR life decision Lala is contemplating!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, gorgeous. It's Lala Kent. Welcome to untraditionally, Laala. Hello,
my love, it is Lala Kent. Welcome back to untraditionally, Lala.
I am here with oh, one of my most favorite housewives,
and I consider you a friend through the Bravo Universe.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Christ Heather Debro or Heather Page Kent.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Is I like to call you? Don't you love that
we both have the last name of Kent Okay?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Is that your real last name? And you're you were raised?
You're Jewish?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Right?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
So is Kent a Jewish name?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
No? So the original name was Kestenbaum and then it
was changed. But I am Kent Okay. So it's a
made up name, but it's mine. I didn't make it up.
But there was another Heather Kent in Saga and so
you can't copy names. That's why when you see actors
and they have similar names, but they put an initial
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in the middle or something. You can't have the same name.
Every name in Screen Actors Guild has to be unique.
Are you my middle name which I used to use
in high school? Anyway, like Heather Page?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Can it's a good name, it's a great name.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I oh, No, I threatened Terry sometimes if we're arguing that,
I'm going to go back to it. What do you
guys argue about? When I watch you on TV?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'm like, this is like the perfect this is the
perfect couple from my perspective. And I grew up in
like a very traditional household. My parents were married until
the time my dad passed away.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
And now mine too.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So you've seen was it a healthy relationship thing you saw?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Not?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Really?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
No, So when you met Terry, Like, how did you
know that he was going to be the one that
you were? Like, this is so real that I'm willing
to sign a contract with you.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I didn't and that I just think that's crazy. Like
marriage is a leap of faith and you could do
the best you can, but you don't know, no, and
you are you going to grow together or are you
going to grow apart? What's what challenges are you going
to face in your life? You don't know. You can
only do the best you can.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
When you're in an argument. Do you raise your voice
ever at all?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I'm not surprise. I don't know if that's surprising. I'm
not a big yeller. Have I ever yelled? Yes? We
don't The good news is we don't fight about real things, thankfully,
we don't have these deep seated problems, or we don't
fight about money, we don't fight about I don't know
what else do people fight about. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I haven't been in a relationship, or really.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
We don't have anything that's like this deep seated, terrible
anything we fight about nonsense. But look, we've been together
twenty nine years, a long time. It is a long time.
It is a lifetime. And you have what I say
is like you have good days, bad days, good years,
bad years, which is true. But like I will tell you,
for instance, and anyone that listens to our podcast between
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us knows this that we were sort of arguing for
two weeks and it started I don't even remember what
the original argument was about, but the argument was not
good and it kept going and it just like we
were irritating each other and he pissed me off, and
then we were like, we don't silent treatment, right, but
it was polite.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Okay, for like two weeks.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
That's a long time. It was a long time. And
we had to go to a wedding and we were
away for the weekend and it was really and you
know what sucks. He is my best friend. And so
when I am pissed at him and I want to
talk to someone about whatever it is, I'm annoyed that
then I can't call him right how amazing though it's feeling.
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But I will tell you, so we we did make
up and we got on the other side of it.
And that was a very intense, drawn out, daytime, sober conversation.
I like to say that, because never have important conversations
when you're tired, when there's alcohol on board, you know,
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anything like that. Right. So, but here's the thing it was,
it's so good now that I said to him the
other day, I go, look, we had this bad weekend
and then we have to go to this wedding and
all these things go. I hated this, I hated that.
I hated these two weeks. But I will tell you
I'm okay with it because of where it brought us
(04:10):
right now. Wow, And I totally mean that.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Well I feel And again, I haven't been in a
committed relationship in quite some time, and I can't even
pinpoint like the last time I was in like a healthy,
productive relationship. But I do know that when you have
those arguments if you can learn something on the other side,
then that is the key to longevity in the relationship
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when you be cause you have although you're in a
traditional marriage and family unit, you have a very untraditional life.
You have four children, which I cannot believe you told
me not to have any more kids.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Why did you say that?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Why did you say that my kids are might listen, No,
I mean I'm joking sort of. It's just it's a lot.
Children are a lot of work, and raising them is challenging,
and you know, they're different. I mean I started with
twins and I had never even held a baby before,
so two was like ten, right, And then I had
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a third, so I had three hundred three and that
was insane. And then a surprise one four years after her.
So I had four kids in seven years. It was
just it was a lot. And also, you know who
I was as a person while I'm raising these kids.
And Terry and I were talking about this last night,
but it was like, you know, my youngest Ace is
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seven years younger than the twins.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
So do you find that that's a ginormous gap or
do they have things in common?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
You're noticing how they get older, They're close.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yes, And I told them when they were younger, because
there are certain stages where it's like, oh, this is
so frustrating. They're bigger, they don't want to do the
little kid things anymore. The little kid wants to do
the big kid things. That there's definitely some difficulties with that,
but you get through it. But I told them this
hasn't happened yet, But I said, when the last of
you is twenty one, you're all the same age, Yeah,
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because you're all adults totally, so it will be fine.
But I mean with four, not all of them get along.
I grew up with one sister. It was just the
two of us. We had to get along. Do you
get along?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Now?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
We do, but it's like, you know, we alway said,
wouldn't it be nice to have a conversational third, just
someone like a mediator kind of or yeah, tiebreak or
whatever it was. Yeah, but you know that wasn't in
the cards for me. With four, they don't always get along,
but like as they get older they do, Right, this
is so great. So we have a group chat with
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the six of us and everyone sends pictures and you know,
I just landed or let me show you the cat
or you know, whatever it is, and it's really cute.
I found out yesterday that my four kids have their
own private group chat without us. That's amazing. I love it.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I love that makes you.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So happy because that is the goal is for them
to have their own independent relationships outside of us totally.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
And that actually is one of my biggest fears in
thinking that I want to expand further beyond just the
two is you don't know, there's so many people. I know,
I come from Utah, so big families are like a
diamond doesn't and there's always one, two, three of the
kids who are like, we don't speak to them, we
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don't acknowledge that they exist.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
And I'm like, that is my biggest fear.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I know we have people in our family, not siblings
but like cousins, right that not my generation, but like
the parents that they stop talking to each other completely. Yeah, well,
it happens all the time. I cannot imagine I would
tell you that. And you're such an involved mom. I'm
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sure you're the same way, but like you have to.
You promote relationships between them. You create memories, right and
you know, holidays and birthdays and it doesn't have to
be you know, the over the top. That's not what
I mean. I just mean, whatever your traditions are, totally
do with your kids, and they carry that with them
and it gives them a shared experience that no one
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else has right but them. And if you are communicative
with them and you're open with them, they will always
come back to you and always come back to each other.
I agree with that, unless one's like a crazy asshole.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, it goes rogue. You're like, where the fuck did
this and come from? That can happen right because we
have no control?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yes, don't you have assholes in your family?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I don't talk to I mean I just talked to
my immediate family. There you go like I've written off cousins,
aunts and uncles.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Why all when you got famous.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
No, they're the way that my dad was treated because
he decided to not be a Mormon anymore, and he
was looked at as the black sheep. And I just thought,
I'm really funny about religion just due to where I
come from and what I've seen. I'm raising my kids
spiritual and introducing them to all sorts of religions and
n higher power so that one day they can grow
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up and say this resonates with me.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I'm going to take this on.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
What I saw was my dad, who left the church
before I was even born. He was twenty two years old,
met my mom and that he was just like the
black sheep of the family. And I just thought how
wild it was that we could preach you know, this,
this arm that's off of Christianity with love and acceptance. Yeah,
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because my dad is choosing a different faith than you guys.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
It was a lot of battle.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Life acceptance exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
It's really the door out of the door. I just
found that it didn't really make sense. So I only
speak with my immediate family, my brother's, my mom. But
I wanted to ask you the untraditional aspect of your life.
You have four kids, some of which identify with the
queer community. When those conversations happened, was there anything that
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you experienced when you were growing up with your parents
where you said, I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
This is how I'm going to rock it with my kid.
You probably maybe had this experience because I don't know.
I know your dad had left the church, but I
don't know how his upbringing affected his parenting style. But
I grew up with very nineteen fifties parents, okay, and
they talked about nothing. Everything was swept on the under
the rug. My sister and I didn't know what a
period was. I thought I was dying, I mean truly
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like crazy. And then even when I got it, you
wouldn't let me wear tampons. I don't know why those
were like taboo. I just steal them from my aunt's house.
Swear to you, so crazy, and I thought it's so crazy.
I am the polar opposite. I have Diary of the Mouth.
I will tell you everything. I don't have any deep
seated secrets, like I like to share information. I talk
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for a living, and that was never going to be
in the cards for me. And I'm married to a
doctor right who there is nothing taboo and everything is biology,
right And so we never sat down and said we're
going to raise orchids this. Yes, we never did that.
We probably should have, but we didn't. And I just
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think that we're both of the minds that we've created
this really open family. I mean, like even to the
point where, okay, we're not like naked people. I don't
to say, like we're walking around the house all naked
in front of the kids all the time. But there
was never like a weird don't come in right, you
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know what I'm saying totally that kind of attitude. It
was always just everything has always been okay, and anything
the children want to talk about it has always been okay.
So there was never sort of a defining moment like
we need to have a talk. It just it was.
It was Yeah. And even though listen, they share a
lot with fans, sometimes too much, too much, too much. Yeah,
(11:47):
I don't really want to know everything.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
You know what, though, now that I'm a parent, I
just think because my dad leaving the church, you would think,
and my mom coming from a very Christian household and
her being raised to sweep everything under the rug, what
will the neighbors think?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yes, we don't want to know, so let's just keep
the pretty picture.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I think when I entered the mix started having a voice,
my mom was very thrown off by it. I think
I broke the cycle. I think my brother broke the
cycle of like, it's okay to talk about struggles, and
it's okay for me to be on a reality show
where I talk about some real shit, because what's the
worst thing that's going to happen. Someone could relate to you.
Someone might say you're fucked up.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Oh big fucking deal. Wait, write I need to know
this because when I joined Housewives, my family was so
mean to me, really horrible.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Wow, yours wasn't. They did not watch the show, which
I was thrilled about. But like my mom and dad said,
I don't need to watch the show because I know
exactly who you are because you're like this at home.
So you told you took your top off under a waterfall, excellent,
You've done that with your friends many times.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
You were talking about blowjobs.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Well, we've heard a lot about the blowjob and we
don't really want to so I just everything like you.
It's not like we were all walking around naked, but
it was very much not.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Like ah, close the door, like right, It.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Was very much inside of the household, which later on
I think I broke the cycle with my mom and
her knowing like it's okay for people to know when
we're struggling.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
My family's still not okay with it. That struggles. It's
so weird, like God forbid someone needed to go to
therapy or it was all very like yeah, no, you'll
be fine.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
So do you worry, Like, so your dad passed away,
I think a year before.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
My dad passed two years ago. Okay, so like twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
That's a not a math, Lola.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I'm the worst at math. By the way, do you.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Ever feel guilty discussing your upbringing?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
So this season on the show, I actually talk about
my dad a little bit. Yeah, and you'll see I
can't give it away. But in the upcoming episodes, yeah,
I have sort of a cathartic moment about my dad.
So I never talked about it because first of all,
I was ingrained to never talk about the family. God
forbids someone would think anything was untoward or what the
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truth was or what I mean. Okay, who cares? But fine,
I'm like you the same way. But it's not my
story to tell. And I never wanted to be ungrateful
to my dad, you know, because he may not have
been like this warm fight. He wasn't terry right, but
he did the best he could and he was from
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a different generation also, he was a product of his
environment also, so I never wanted to do that. But
like after he passed away, and I never even thought
to consciously do it. But this season on the show
it came up.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
We've seen the episode where you say that Tamra's outbursts
remind you a lot of your dad. Yeah, was were
you nervous to talk about that?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Like ye admitting like my dad would have outbursts.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I wasn't nervous to talk about it for myself. I
was nervous to talk about it for my mom. And
so when I talk about him, and you'll see what happens.
But I just don't ever want to do something to
hurt her, right, and so I could be a lot
more vocal about it, but I wouldn't do that. Yeah,
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Like I can talk to you about this right now
because she won't listen to your show.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Well that's rude.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I'm sorry she doesn't listen to mine. Just telling you
she won't even see a Google alert or an article
or anything. But like if it's I would hate to
her for to see a headline that had my name
in it that she would see or something. I just
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feel bad.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I completely understood.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Someday when she is not around, I can talk about
a lot of things, but I still I think would
be I don't know, more respectful because I know it
would bother her so much because she is that way.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, I know the.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Same with your kids. You're going to see because your
kids are so young and they're on TV. But when
they start to get older and you realize you can't
tell their stories for them. It's cute when they're little,
it's not a big deal, but once they start being
vocal about things, you have to take a step back
and go, Okay, well, how do I manage this?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Oh my gosh, Heather, You've just put another thing in
my mind to keep me up at night.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Oh No, I do relate because when I was writing
my book years ago, I was like, this is the
time to really talk about the things that I saw
in my household and the things that I wish my
parents would have navigated differently in front of us, which
was in two thousand and eight, the recession that hit
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my dad was in real estate development, and it hit
him hard, and because of his financial choices, where we
went from living We did not live how you guys live,
but we lived a beautiful life. We did not go without.
And it went from we're not going without too, we
could lose the house, we may not be able to eat,
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and they're God for my mother, who was a working
woman from the time she could work, and she was
the plan B. And because I saw arguments that very
much had to do with money and frustration on my
mom's behalf, I go into situations very differently. I have
a very strange relationship with money. I am constantly thinking
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about a plan B my house that I'm.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
A strange relationship. That's a smart relationship.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Okay, So I started saying that I have a smart
relationship with money as well. I switched my mindset because
I'm like, this is actually a good thing because we
don't know what tomorrow is going to bring.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Absolutely, I loved the idea of.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
When I bought my house Palm Springs, I was like,
if we hit on hard times, I can rent this bad.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Bitch out, that's right, the adu in my backyard.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I was like, I'm buying this because if we hit
on hard times, we can rent this bitch out, or
we move back there and rent the big house out.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
So I'm just constantly thinking about the rainy day because
of my dad.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
But I had a tremendous amount of guilt putting that
in my book because I know it was a pride thing.
For him, right, and he's supposed to keep the family together.
And I could tell he wanted to shout on the
top of the roof that like he was struggling. But
my mom was of the nature of what will the
neighbors think.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Isn't this terrible? There was not to tell the details
of it, but my parents had a financial situation that
did not need to happen, but they were of the
what would the neighbors think. Can't discuss finances with people ever,
And that was to their detriment and it took a
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big financial hit. And Tyry and I are so the polarpposite.
But because of my upbringing, Terry when we first got
together and he would talk about money and first I
thought it was like showy, braggy, right, and then you know,
it's so uncouth to talk about money. How could you
do that? And then he would talk to his buddies
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and I was like, that's crazy. You guys all talk
about your money and he goes yes, And then I realized, oh,
dumb ass, Heather, Like, that's how you they this is
how they communicate, They learn from each other. What are
you doing with this? So you're converting it to a
roth Ira, you're doing this thing. Hey, my tax guy
told me that, oh great, and that is the best
thing ever. And the gatekeeping that people do with their wealth,
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with their skin and care, with their parenting, with all
the things right crazy to me. So we don't gatekeep it.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
It's good, thank God.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
By the way, the skincare thing is, I saw Megan
Fox on some interview and she was gatekeeping one of
her something she did with her face, and I'm like,
how could you do that to everybody?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah, here's my thing, here's my thing about facial stuff.
I just feel like, if you want to get work done,
go I have. I mean, it's awesome, it pays the mortgage,
so get it all, get it all done. But I
don't think that people have to disclose everything. I don't
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think it's fair to people. I think if you want
to go get your breast done, get your facelift, like,
whatever it is you want to do, go do it.
And if you want to tell people, fantastic, And if
you don't, that is your prerogative. But the only caveat
is do not go get that stuff done and then
tell me you drink water and get nine hours okay,
because that kisses me off.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, that pisses me off to that ain't true.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
But also if you go and you have, you know,
a niptuck or an injection here there, and you look amazing,
how are you.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Not gonna tell me? I want to go get that done?
I know, I don't know. I haven't had it done.
I mean, I get needles and stuff, but don't.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
We all have. They're all tak It's so funny.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Fifty six.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I we're going to talk about peptides on because I
want to get your thoughts. But I have the hardest
time injecting my peptides.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I saw you with the peptides on social media.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
But the moment it's time for botox, I'm like anywhere
you want to put needles to the face, I don't care.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Well, did you did you talk about this? Did you
do IVF?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I did not do IVF. So I conceived so sad,
just the the scientific sexual way where it's like text
the doctor io yep I U, I stirrups, yeah, needle
instead of a dicky. You know, let me know in
two weeks if you're pregnant. And I was going to
do it a third time until you told me I
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met with a psychic though, and he told me that
I'm going to have another baby, but with a man,
and I just refuse.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
No, Heather, Heather, Just so you know, my first three
were IVF and the last one apparently was the penis,
and apparently it was with Terry's and I'm telling you
it was a dry spell. I do not know. I
how that happened, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
So you did IVF with the first three.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Had twins IVF. Those are the embryos. I got. That's
what we got, okay. And then I wanted the experience
of having just one, so he did IVF again. I
ended up with three embryos, put one in okay, got
cat okay. And then she had some issues talk about gatekeeping, parenting.
She had some issues. At fifteen months, she wasn't crawling, walking, talking, nothing,
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And I took her to this neurologist and they said
she wouldn't have four words by the age of four.
And she was a practic. It was so heart wrenching,
and I she went she was in speech therapy, and
she was in physical therapy and all the things. She's
at Yale.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
By the way, that is incredible.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
He was wrong he was very he was very wrong.
But she did need speech therapy, she needed a push
to get going. And she's a I mean a brilliant,
well obvious and talented and sweet. She's like we call
her the good one. Yeah, there's always the one good one.
She's really good. But because I was so scared, we
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had two frozen embryos and I thought done not having
any more kids. We're very lucky, we have three healthy kids.
And we started later anyway. I'm like, we're good, check
the box, no more kids. But I was infertile, so
that's why we did IVF right, So I was like,
I wasn't really worried about it. And then I got pregnant. Wow, yeah,
I was forty one.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
The higher power had a different plan for you.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Man. Try being forty one year old, pregnant, chasing three
little ones. I can't even imagine. Oh, it's exhausted.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I'm exhausted twenty four to seven, And I'm like, how
does one get unexhausted?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
You don't, but it's a different kind of exhausted. You
go from that your kids are so little, it's physically
exhausting right up, and then they're sick and you chase them,
and then you play a certain way and then you're
in the pool all the time, or you're on the
slide and you're instantly going. And then you add.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
The reality television aspect. Because I've been out of the
game for two years, I've been like strictly mom. And
I have to say I loved it because, as you know,
it's such a fleeting time.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
It's a good break too.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It's a great break.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
And I got to be at you did take a
break and you and I got to be at every
drop off and pickup and dance recital and it was
like mom time with the kids playing. I got to
experience that and it was wonderful. And now I'm juggling
trying to be a present mom then the mom guilt
on top of now filming a show again.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
And did you have that shock when you went.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Back to OC where it was like, oh, we're like,
no one skipped a beat and we're thrown into the
lions den.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
The show had changed from it. I mean, well, first
of all, I was gone for four seasons, which equated
to five years because of the pandemic, and that had happened,
so that kind of changed everything to you. Right, So
the world was a bit different. And when I left
the show. So I started the show when my youngest
child was nine months old and he's starting fifteen in December.
(25:15):
Is that crazy? So my kids were a little crazy.
They were nine months old to seven and a half.
So when I started and when I left five years later,
do the math on that, they were still little. But
when I came back, they were now older, right, And
so it was like better and worse in a way
(25:36):
because everyone was in real school, which is a lot
easier because you can film a lot while they're at school,
which is nice. Yeah, that is nice. Yeah, it was
very strange to come back. But I was still working
in between. I wasn't just home YouTube channel. I've had
a podcast for a decade, like Hustle. I was like
I was always and little guest stars here and there,
(25:57):
stuff like that, scripted and know, writing books with Terry
and doing stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I need a nap just thinking about all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Yes, so you know we've done TV shows together and
what you know, I'm always doing something.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I know you are and it's amazing to watch. By
the way, I don't.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Feel guilty because here's the thing, you know this is
your path. And part of what's incredible about you is
how you are this single parent with these incredible kids
and you have a career and a podcast and you're
a book and the thing, and you hustle, you do
all these things and making it work. You are a
(26:37):
balancing Yet, yes, there is no perfect balance.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I don't think so either there's not, there's And there
was a woman who said to me, and I passed
this along to all my other mom friends who are
feeling mom guilt. But I was saying to her that
I was struggling with the mom guilt and you know,
I feel like I've been dropping the ball. And she
was like, they are going to be day is where
(27:01):
your kids are simply loved and fed, and that's a
win and fucking take it.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yes, and I would like it. Okay, you know what
all is good?
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Listen. The other day, Terry and I were going because
with four two, even with two, one one's up, one's down,
one's sick, one's healthy, one's happy. One said like, there
are very rare moments where everyone's okay. And when I
tell you, I soak. I don't care if it's an hour,
everyone's good.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
That hour.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
That's a win. I don't know from Terry.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Oh nudies.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
No, I never sent a nude in my life. By
the way, if you saw Terry's camera, but it's all nudes.
This does nothing for me. It's funny. I did say
to him. I remember we first got together. I was like,
it's gonna be okay, this is all real, you know,
like I think I still am the only yes, good
(27:56):
for you. I think I'm the only plastic surgeon's wife
with real boobs. Oh yeah, it's possible. But anyway, I'm
just saying like, yeah, I don't know that nudes would
do it for him. He likes silly stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Okay, so like what is silly?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
What would you send Terry if you guys hadn't seen
each other he was like out of town for a
weekend or whatever.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Well, I would probably make noise. We make noises to
each other, and they're like mating sounds. I don't know,
like he could like if if we're if we are,
if we're like at a restaurant, right and we both
go to the restroom and he's waiting for you outside
of goh nuh, and I'll go, oh no, it's like
we call each other that's so fucking cute. We're so
ridiculous and we've been together so long that we have
(28:34):
so many private jokes together. Our kids, I mean they
laugh and they roll their eyes at us, but we
have like he could say one word to me in
a crack up like we're just stupid stuff. I mean.
But that's not to say we don't have a great
sex life. We have a great sex life.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Can I ask you, as a woman who's been married
for twenty nine years, what is a great sex life? Like?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
How many times a week?
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Like?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
What can? It? Depends? It depends, Yeah, okay, depends this
week not to be TMI a lot. Good for you
because we were fighting so we just made up. So
we're like and we're in a good spot right now,
and then we're going to be in the Bahamas next week.
That's gonna be like hotel sex for us. Game on.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Do you still put it in the mouth sometimes?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Good for you? Yeah, But he's a reverse cowgirl kind
of guy, yes, yeah, of course he is. Yeah, but
like we're still like interested and interesting and you know,
bring things in the bedroom and have like toys.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, can I tell you my favorite toy is the
vibrator that goes in the underwear and then the.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Guy gets to hold the little clicker. So wherever you
are in the party and you're like.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I've seen that. That is not us. That do Harry?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
I think it's hot.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Terry's like not like he's very different. Once the bedroom
door is closed, Well it sounds like it he wants
you know, Yeah, we have a good time.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Ask towards the face. Does he do BBLS.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
No, he's against them. He thinks they should be completely outlawed.
It's the most dangerous procedure. Okay, people die from it. Yeah,
I want to.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I want to get into like the plastic surgery and
stuff on the bonus, But I just wanted to know
if he did BBLS. Is there has there ever been
a point in time where you and arrygo do we
do we do housewives anymore?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Do we do the TV thing anymore?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I mean, definitely not do we do the TV thing anymore?
I mean we always have something in development, like literally
right now, Okay, there's a game show. There's a fun show.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Don't you think like the competition shows, it's a different level,
Like the stakes are higher in a different way.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, filmy.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Reality TV is tough.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
It's tough.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
They come in, you know, what have you been up to?
It's like, oh, I know what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
We're talking about our storyline and it's like, well, my
life's pretty peaceful right now, which I know you guys don't.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Want to DIY. Sorry, everything's okay. Maybe something tragical happened
in the next forty minutes. Yeah, no, it is. It's
a tough show to do. I mean, I'm not gonna
be at it forever obviously, but you know, I'm so
grateful for the platform. I really mean this that what
is important to me after having been such a piece
(31:20):
of pop culture, is that I wanted to live on appropriately.
Like I'm not of the mind like when I leave,
I mean to burn the house down, you know. I'm
not like that. I'm like, hey, let's keep bringing on
interesting people and so it's gonna have a life. I
love that. Can I tell you.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I was in full panic in the bath last night
and I was like, the Housewives, You're going to start
getting older and not want to do it?
Speaker 3 (31:48):
What would happen? What will happen? What am I going
to watch?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Because you all of us are going to get older
and I'm.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Already old, but there could you like, we love our house.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I have so much and I hate change, Like when
a new face appears, I'm like, I don't know about this.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I don't know. I don't know. But that's why it's
got people have to come in slowly. But we've had
really great hires that have blended in really seamlessly. Yeah,
and that have longevity and I love that. Okay, So
I'm looking forward to seeing you know what happened because
next season for us is season twenty. It's amazing, which
is the first house I've season to go to. Twenty
obviously were the first sorts of you know, it's iconic,
(32:25):
it's cool, and I think they have a lot of
fun stuff planned. So I'm excited for that.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Okay, So we can expect because a lot of people
are wanting to see you on Beverly Hills and it
makes sense because you live here.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
But you know what, here's the thing about that, because yeah,
here's the thing about that. You know where I live
to Newport Beach is the same distance from Newport Beach
to Cota Dekaza, Right, So I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
People, I really don't understand how the traffic works around here, right.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
So it's this, It's it's really if I lived in
Laguna Miguel or Dana Point, it would take me the
same amount to get to to the coort to go
to someone's, but it would still be in Orange County
just because I'm over the county line. Whatever. They're my friends.
I've been involved with the show for almost fifteen years,
and I'm very happy where I am.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
You gotta be a part of twenty Yeah, But.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
The reason why I said that, honestly, I mean I
joked it was the commute, which partially is. But also,
you know, we film in Orange Counties, so sometimes I
worry that there's a faction of my life that they
don't get to see, right, So that's a little bit
of a bummer. But I look, I'm very happy where
I am, very grateful for all that. But as far
(33:34):
as doing reality TV, there's other things that I'm like
developing and working on the reality space. I do, but
not necessarily my story, right, pass it on and yeah,
and also I like producing, so you know, I'm also
developing things that I don't have to be in.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
That's nice, which I love. Yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Takes the pressure off totally, and now you get to
be the guy that's like, you're really not bringing it.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
You need to share more.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
You the tears.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
We'd really like to see more tears from you.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yes, please? Did you hit the left eye?
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Did you like having Gretchen a part of the season?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
It did? I mean, I'm not really sure from the
top that I realized how much it was going to
affect camera. Yeah. I stupidly thought that they would hit
the restart button, right because when I joined the show,
and I said this on the after show, but when
I joined Housewives, they became friends.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Right, So I know, was that the friendship bracelets giving?
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yeah? Season seven, like they were friends right, travel together,
we had a lot of fun together. And then on
Gretchen's last reunion, things didn't go that great, and so
you know, we had some issues, all of us, but
I didn't think it was insurmountable, right. And then I
don't know why their relationship went south over the last decade,
(34:58):
but it did. Don't really know why that happened.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
So the podcast, man, Yeah, the podcast and everyone in
control and all the things, all of it.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
So I thought, you know what, maybe they'll she'll come
back on, they'll have a conversation and we'll move on,
because no one wants to argue about stuff from fifteen
years ago.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
No, And it was a lot. It was a lot
on a pent up anger for fifteen years, happy for
her to come.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
And I thought, you know, it's interesting to see where
she is all these years later, and she still was
slated and she is like a five year old and
it's just fun. Yeah. I do you think she'll be back?
I don't know. Will they ask me back? Yes, I
mean I think.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
So, because you're a fucking icon. Well, thank you, we
love Heather Page Kent, thank you.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, the reunion was
a lot.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
You guys just filmed that. Have you recovered? Are you
exhausted mentally?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Still? I'm still a little tired. But I thought it
was really good. The audience is going to really like it, Okay,
a lot. It'll definitely be three parts. Well, good for
you guys.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Can you tell us where were you placed in the
middle of the couch.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
They put the seating up already?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Oh did they? Where were you seated?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
I was seated? It went Andy, Tamar, Gina, Me, Katie.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Okay, Oh so Katie did come.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yeah, great, and then it went Jen, Emily, Shannon Gretchen. Okay.
I thought the seating was really good and I think
people will understand it when they see the reunion. And
I thought it was a really good reunion. Well.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
As a viewer, I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
It's hard for me because I know how the sausage
is made, but I'm also enjoying it as just a viewer. Yeah,
I thought you guys crushed this season. I found it
to be amazing. Are you and Tamra are you guys good?
Speaker 3 (36:53):
We're good.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
You guys have a really sweet friendship.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
We have been friends a very long time. You know
what the hard part is. I can't stand when people
are like, what if she have on you? Why are
you always sticking up? Or it's like, dude, when you
are in a room and everyone is against one person,
isn't it nice that you're the friend that tried Hey,
maybe let's look at the other side. Maybe. Isn't that
what you do for a friend? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
And you're just like amazing at being able to hold
her accountable and point out the things that she did
wrong while also maintaining that you're on her team.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I tried you because my take home to a friend
is we are friends, and so that's the basis of
what we're doing here, right, And we can still have
an argument, and we can still you know, disagree and
all those things, but you got to remember we're friends. Yeah,
So don't cross the line, don't get shitty. That's how
(37:50):
we have to work with each other.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
You have conquered the art of the way you speak.
I'd give a lot of money. Where'd you go to school?
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I went to Syracuse. I was a musical theater major.
We did I heard you? I w I heard you
quoted me at a reunion. Yes, I did.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I did, And I wanted them to air it so badly.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
What'd you say?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
I said to Tom Sandoval, I said, in the words
of Heather Dubro, when everyone around you says you're dead,
it's time to lie down. God bless Because he just
kept going. I was like, fuck it, we're all you're dead.
We all agree.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Someone texted me and goes, oh my god, Lalla's quoting
you on set.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Well, because everything that comes out of your mouth is
just like dripping in just gold.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
And I just love everything you say.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
And you stay level headed, but you're so fucking interesting,
whereas like I think I'm only interesting if I'm ripping
someone's head off. That is.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Ask. There's a reason your podcast does so well. Everyone
wants to hang out with you and hear you speak.
But I have to ask you about the diamond. Oh,
the diamond.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yes, this was my engagement ring and I popped out
the middle stone. I kept the setting in case Ocean
wants it one day, and I put on my neck
because it was just.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Sitting there so smart.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Yeah, I just how do you feel about lab diamonds.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I am of the mindset of whatever you want, that
is what you should go and get.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
If you don't care about the lab diamonds.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I don't want to get in trouble because if I
say I love diamonds, that mean I love blood diamonds.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Yeah, it's a really good point.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
It's a slippery slope, and that's why I prefer.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah, I don't know. I have this conversation with every
someone people that I know that love jewelry. I ask
because I'm curious what people think, and I've spent so
much money on diamonds.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
We can't tell.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Yeah, Well, it irritates me that you could get it
so much less and you can you can't tell. And
apparently the only machine you buy that can tell is
twenty thousand dollars, so no one has the machine. I know,
but I don't know. Am I too much of a
snob to do it? I know you I have a girlfriend.
We can't tell you it is. But she's famous and wealthy.
(39:59):
And you bought some lab diamonds and I was like, no, did.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
You did you see that?
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Yes? I did? Did you see them? I did? I
don't know, I mean, could I tell? But then I
think about this. Maybe it's the way they were set
because she didn't spend that much money on these. She
just bottom she was at a thing. So then I
was like, all right, well a lab diamond, all right?
So I heard someone say it's like flowers. Whether the
(40:25):
rose is grown in the wild or it's grown in
a hothouse, it's still a rose. That's true. Okay, So
if you're growing a diamond, it's still you have to
look at the I mean, they can't grow it perfect.
It grows however, it grows, right, So there's still different qualities.
But then it comes to the diamond cutter, right, because
(40:47):
there's an art arm to cutting a diamond for the
most brilliant and the most this and the most that,
and the way you set it and the design of
the setting and all the things. So I mean, I
guess you could get a LAB diamond.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
I don't think you're sold on the lab diamonds, and
I don't. I don't think you should.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
I got this, like right under the wire, because if
Terry had known that lab diamonds were a thing, he
never would have.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
It is so gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I I cannot see that.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
So yeah, I put my initials diamonds on the side,
and then underneath are Terry's diamonds. And he says it's
because he's holding the weight of the diamond like that,
and I go, no, it's because I like to be
on top. Oh my god, I fucking love you. Can
I ask you about your nails? Yes, that's what about
(41:35):
the nails? Okay? So I used to have square nails,
and then a couple of years ago my kids were like,
you look old, you can't have square nails whatever, So
I changed to this. So I've been wearing this very
similar to yours, and oval. I really like it. It elongates
the finger. I enjoy it. But lately I'm a pilates
girl now, and all of the plates girlies that are
all like you, young and fit and gorgeous, they all
(41:57):
have shorter, square nails. And I need to know, La, La,
what is the thing it's.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Not happening for?
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Okay, I like Heather, I have hands the size of
Shaquille O'Neal. You joking, I cut these nails off. You're
gonna think that you're getting a hand job from a man.
Happening I love, And the only reason is be a
thing to make your nails suter you would think, you
would think.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Now, look at the size of my hands.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
You do have tons the veiggest very long fingers, but
that's very elegant though.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, well my mom like their piano fingers.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
And the piano. The piano.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
No, but I have a gorgeous piano.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
So you and Terry have a new podcast because now
we're both a part of Bravo. We're both a part
of the iHeart Family, the Kent Sisters, the Kent I'm
loving all of this. It's called between us. You had
a podcast solo though first, right, for like a decade,
for a decade, yes, So what is it like? Now
having your husband as your co host.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
You know it's We have written three books together, okay,
we have done TV shows together, and I mean so
many things that you know. Some couple's golf, some have hobbies.
We like to work, we like to make content. We've
had a skincare and supple bedline for eleven twelve years.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Feel free to send me some Oh do you want
to forgive me a link?
Speaker 3 (43:20):
No? No, I'll buye.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
I'm not stingy Noppin either. I am a skinny.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Our skincare is great, it's all I use. It's really great.
I have really sensitive skin. So anyway, but we have
done all these things together, and so we started doing
these tiktoks, which, according to my children, are very cringing,
but we were getting millions and millions of hits on them.
So after being so long with my podcast, I was
(43:45):
really just ready for something a little bit different, okay.
And after the TikTok thing, I said to Terry, I go,
this is so crazy. Why don't why don't we just
do a podcast together? And he was like, oh, I
love this idea. Let's so so we've been doing it.
It's been so good for us. But I will tell
you I will eventually probably do another one that's a
(44:07):
little more girl coded love it and probably be with
one or two I'm talking about it right now, but
probably with one or two other women, because I miss
the girl part of the conversation right and there is
such a big part, Like everyone loves being tear together
and they love the relationship stuff and the money talk
(44:29):
and the real love about money stuff, but all that stuff,
and I think it's such great conversation and it's stuff
that people haven't been privy to before with us, so
that's really fun. But I know also people are missing
that side of catching up about the kids and you know,
that kind of day to day stuff.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah, the stuff that you talk about with your girlfriends
that like bonds women. I love that.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Where can we listen to your podcasts? Yours and Terry's.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
It's called between us and it's anywhere you get your podcasts.
Let's do it on iHeart or anywhere you get them.
I love it. What day is it air?
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Did you say Wednesday?
Speaker 3 (45:09):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Thank you so much for coming on untraditionally La La.
I appreciate it. Thank you guys for listening.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
I'm going to catch you on Monday for the bonus,
and again next week.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Bye.
Hello, gorgeous. It's Lala Kent. Welcome to untraditionally, Laala. Hello,
my love, it is Lala Kent. Welcome back to untraditionally, Lala.
I am here with oh, one of my most favorite housewives,
and I consider you a friend through the Bravo Universe.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Christ Heather Debro or Heather Page Kent.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Is I like to call you? Don't you love that
we both have the last name of Kent Okay?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Is that your real last name? And you're you were raised?
You're Jewish?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Right?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
So is Kent a Jewish name?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
No? So the original name was Kestenbaum and then it
was changed. But I am Kent Okay. So it's a
made up name, but it's mine. I didn't make it up.
But there was another Heather Kent in Saga and so
you can't copy names. That's why when you see actors
and they have similar names, but they put an initial
(00:52):
in the middle or something. You can't have the same name.
Every name in Screen Actors Guild has to be unique.
Are you my middle name which I used to use
in high school? Anyway, like Heather Page?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Can it's a good name, it's a great name.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I oh, No, I threatened Terry sometimes if we're arguing that,
I'm going to go back to it. What do you
guys argue about? When I watch you on TV?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'm like, this is like the perfect this is the
perfect couple from my perspective. And I grew up in
like a very traditional household. My parents were married until
the time my dad passed away.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
And now mine too.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So you've seen was it a healthy relationship thing you saw?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Not?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Really?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
No, So when you met Terry, Like, how did you
know that he was going to be the one that
you were? Like, this is so real that I'm willing
to sign a contract with you.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
I didn't and that I just think that's crazy. Like
marriage is a leap of faith and you could do
the best you can, but you don't know, no, and
you are you going to grow together or are you
going to grow apart? What's what challenges are you going
to face in your life? You don't know. You can
only do the best you can.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
When you're in an argument. Do you raise your voice
ever at all?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I'm not surprise. I don't know if that's surprising. I'm
not a big yeller. Have I ever yelled? Yes? We
don't The good news is we don't fight about real things, thankfully,
we don't have these deep seated problems, or we don't
fight about money, we don't fight about I don't know
what else do people fight about. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I haven't been in a relationship, or really.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
We don't have anything that's like this deep seated, terrible
anything we fight about nonsense. But look, we've been together
twenty nine years, a long time. It is a long time.
It is a lifetime. And you have what I say
is like you have good days, bad days, good years,
bad years, which is true. But like I will tell you,
for instance, and anyone that listens to our podcast between
(02:44):
us knows this that we were sort of arguing for
two weeks and it started I don't even remember what
the original argument was about, but the argument was not
good and it kept going and it just like we
were irritating each other and he pissed me off, and
then we were like, we don't silent treatment, right, but
it was polite.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Okay, for like two weeks.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
That's a long time. It was a long time. And
we had to go to a wedding and we were
away for the weekend and it was really and you
know what sucks. He is my best friend. And so
when I am pissed at him and I want to
talk to someone about whatever it is, I'm annoyed that
then I can't call him right how amazing though it's feeling.
(03:28):
But I will tell you, so we we did make
up and we got on the other side of it.
And that was a very intense, drawn out, daytime, sober conversation.
I like to say that, because never have important conversations
when you're tired, when there's alcohol on board, you know,
(03:49):
anything like that. Right. So, but here's the thing it was,
it's so good now that I said to him the
other day, I go, look, we had this bad weekend
and then we have to go to this wedding and
all these things go. I hated this, I hated that.
I hated these two weeks. But I will tell you
I'm okay with it because of where it brought us
(04:10):
right now. Wow, And I totally mean that.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Well I feel And again, I haven't been in a
committed relationship in quite some time, and I can't even
pinpoint like the last time I was in like a healthy,
productive relationship. But I do know that when you have
those arguments if you can learn something on the other side,
then that is the key to longevity in the relationship
(04:38):
when you be cause you have although you're in a
traditional marriage and family unit, you have a very untraditional life.
You have four children, which I cannot believe you told
me not to have any more kids.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Why did you say that?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Why did you say that my kids are might listen, No,
I mean I'm joking sort of. It's just it's a lot.
Children are a lot of work, and raising them is challenging,
and you know, they're different. I mean I started with
twins and I had never even held a baby before,
so two was like ten, right, And then I had
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a third, so I had three hundred three and that
was insane. And then a surprise one four years after her.
So I had four kids in seven years. It was
just it was a lot. And also, you know who
I was as a person while I'm raising these kids.
And Terry and I were talking about this last night,
but it was like, you know, my youngest Ace is
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seven years younger than the twins.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
So do you find that that's a ginormous gap or
do they have things in common?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
You're noticing how they get older, They're close.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yes, And I told them when they were younger, because
there are certain stages where it's like, oh, this is
so frustrating. They're bigger, they don't want to do the
little kid things anymore. The little kid wants to do
the big kid things. That there's definitely some difficulties with that,
but you get through it. But I told them this
hasn't happened yet, But I said, when the last of
you is twenty one, you're all the same age, Yeah,
(06:07):
because you're all adults totally, so it will be fine.
But I mean with four, not all of them get along.
I grew up with one sister. It was just the
two of us. We had to get along. Do you
get along?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Now?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
We do, but it's like, you know, we alway said,
wouldn't it be nice to have a conversational third, just
someone like a mediator kind of or yeah, tiebreak or
whatever it was. Yeah, but you know that wasn't in
the cards for me. With four, they don't always get along,
but like as they get older they do, Right, this
is so great. So we have a group chat with
(06:37):
the six of us and everyone sends pictures and you know,
I just landed or let me show you the cat
or you know, whatever it is, and it's really cute.
I found out yesterday that my four kids have their
own private group chat without us. That's amazing. I love it.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I love that makes you.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So happy because that is the goal is for them
to have their own independent relationships outside of us totally.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
And that actually is one of my biggest fears in
thinking that I want to expand further beyond just the
two is you don't know, there's so many people. I know,
I come from Utah, so big families are like a
diamond doesn't and there's always one, two, three of the
kids who are like, we don't speak to them, we
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don't acknowledge that they exist.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
And I'm like, that is my biggest fear.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I know we have people in our family, not siblings
but like cousins, right that not my generation, but like
the parents that they stop talking to each other completely. Yeah, well,
it happens all the time. I cannot imagine I would
tell you that. And you're such an involved mom. I'm
(07:50):
sure you're the same way, but like you have to.
You promote relationships between them. You create memories, right and
you know, holidays and birthdays and it doesn't have to
be you know, the over the top. That's not what
I mean. I just mean, whatever your traditions are, totally
do with your kids, and they carry that with them
and it gives them a shared experience that no one
(08:11):
else has right but them. And if you are communicative
with them and you're open with them, they will always
come back to you and always come back to each other.
I agree with that, unless one's like a crazy asshole.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, it goes rogue. You're like, where the fuck did
this and come from? That can happen right because we
have no control?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yes, don't you have assholes in your family?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I don't talk to I mean I just talked to
my immediate family. There you go like I've written off cousins,
aunts and uncles.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Why all when you got famous.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
No, they're the way that my dad was treated because
he decided to not be a Mormon anymore, and he
was looked at as the black sheep. And I just thought,
I'm really funny about religion just due to where I
come from and what I've seen. I'm raising my kids
spiritual and introducing them to all sorts of religions and
n higher power so that one day they can grow
(09:01):
up and say this resonates with me.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I'm going to take this on.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
What I saw was my dad, who left the church
before I was even born. He was twenty two years old,
met my mom and that he was just like the
black sheep of the family. And I just thought how
wild it was that we could preach you know, this,
this arm that's off of Christianity with love and acceptance. Yeah,
(09:24):
because my dad is choosing a different faith than you guys.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
It was a lot of battle.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Life acceptance exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
It's really the door out of the door. I just
found that it didn't really make sense. So I only
speak with my immediate family, my brother's, my mom. But
I wanted to ask you the untraditional aspect of your life.
You have four kids, some of which identify with the
queer community. When those conversations happened, was there anything that
(09:56):
you experienced when you were growing up with your parents
where you said, I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
This is how I'm going to rock it with my kid.
You probably maybe had this experience because I don't know.
I know your dad had left the church, but I
don't know how his upbringing affected his parenting style. But
I grew up with very nineteen fifties parents, okay, and
they talked about nothing. Everything was swept on the under
the rug. My sister and I didn't know what a
period was. I thought I was dying, I mean truly
(10:24):
like crazy. And then even when I got it, you
wouldn't let me wear tampons. I don't know why those
were like taboo. I just steal them from my aunt's house.
Swear to you, so crazy, and I thought it's so crazy.
I am the polar opposite. I have Diary of the Mouth.
I will tell you everything. I don't have any deep
seated secrets, like I like to share information. I talk
(10:44):
for a living, and that was never going to be
in the cards for me. And I'm married to a
doctor right who there is nothing taboo and everything is biology,
right And so we never sat down and said we're
going to raise orchids this. Yes, we never did that.
We probably should have, but we didn't. And I just
(11:04):
think that we're both of the minds that we've created
this really open family. I mean, like even to the
point where, okay, we're not like naked people. I don't
to say, like we're walking around the house all naked
in front of the kids all the time. But there
was never like a weird don't come in right, you
(11:25):
know what I'm saying totally that kind of attitude. It
was always just everything has always been okay, and anything
the children want to talk about it has always been okay.
So there was never sort of a defining moment like
we need to have a talk. It just it was.
It was Yeah. And even though listen, they share a
lot with fans, sometimes too much, too much, too much. Yeah,
(11:47):
I don't really want to know everything.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
You know what, though, now that I'm a parent, I
just think because my dad leaving the church, you would think,
and my mom coming from a very Christian household and
her being raised to sweep everything under the rug, what
will the neighbors think?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yes, we don't want to know, so let's just keep
the pretty picture.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I think when I entered the mix started having a voice,
my mom was very thrown off by it. I think
I broke the cycle. I think my brother broke the
cycle of like, it's okay to talk about struggles, and
it's okay for me to be on a reality show
where I talk about some real shit, because what's the
worst thing that's going to happen. Someone could relate to you.
Someone might say you're fucked up.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Oh big fucking deal. Wait, write I need to know
this because when I joined Housewives, my family was so
mean to me, really horrible.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Wow, yours wasn't. They did not watch the show, which
I was thrilled about. But like my mom and dad said,
I don't need to watch the show because I know
exactly who you are because you're like this at home.
So you told you took your top off under a waterfall, excellent,
You've done that with your friends many times.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
You were talking about blowjobs.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Well, we've heard a lot about the blowjob and we
don't really want to so I just everything like you.
It's not like we were all walking around naked, but
it was very much not.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Like ah, close the door, like right, It.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Was very much inside of the household, which later on
I think I broke the cycle with my mom and
her knowing like it's okay for people to know when
we're struggling.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
My family's still not okay with it. That struggles. It's
so weird, like God forbid someone needed to go to
therapy or it was all very like yeah, no, you'll
be fine.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
So do you worry, Like, so your dad passed away,
I think a year before.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
My dad passed two years ago. Okay, so like twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
That's a not a math, Lola.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I'm the worst at math. By the way, do you.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Ever feel guilty discussing your upbringing?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
So this season on the show, I actually talk about
my dad a little bit. Yeah, and you'll see I
can't give it away. But in the upcoming episodes, yeah,
I have sort of a cathartic moment about my dad.
So I never talked about it because first of all,
I was ingrained to never talk about the family. God
forbids someone would think anything was untoward or what the
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truth was or what I mean. Okay, who cares? But fine,
I'm like you the same way. But it's not my
story to tell. And I never wanted to be ungrateful
to my dad, you know, because he may not have
been like this warm fight. He wasn't terry right, but
he did the best he could and he was from
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a different generation also, he was a product of his
environment also, so I never wanted to do that. But
like after he passed away, and I never even thought
to consciously do it. But this season on the show
it came up.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
We've seen the episode where you say that Tamra's outbursts
remind you a lot of your dad. Yeah, was were
you nervous to talk about that?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Like ye admitting like my dad would have outbursts.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I wasn't nervous to talk about it for myself. I
was nervous to talk about it for my mom. And
so when I talk about him, and you'll see what happens.
But I just don't ever want to do something to
hurt her, right, and so I could be a lot
more vocal about it, but I wouldn't do that. Yeah,
(15:32):
Like I can talk to you about this right now
because she won't listen to your show.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Well that's rude.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I'm sorry she doesn't listen to mine. Just telling you
she won't even see a Google alert or an article
or anything. But like if it's I would hate to
her for to see a headline that had my name
in it that she would see or something. I just
(15:56):
feel bad.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I completely understood.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Someday when she is not around, I can talk about
a lot of things, but I still I think would
be I don't know, more respectful because I know it
would bother her so much because she is that way.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, I know the.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Same with your kids. You're going to see because your
kids are so young and they're on TV. But when
they start to get older and you realize you can't
tell their stories for them. It's cute when they're little,
it's not a big deal, but once they start being
vocal about things, you have to take a step back
and go, Okay, well, how do I manage this?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Oh my gosh, Heather, You've just put another thing in
my mind to keep me up at night.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Oh No, I do relate because when I was writing
my book years ago, I was like, this is the
time to really talk about the things that I saw
in my household and the things that I wish my
parents would have navigated differently in front of us, which
was in two thousand and eight, the recession that hit
(16:59):
my dad was in real estate development, and it hit
him hard, and because of his financial choices, where we
went from living We did not live how you guys live,
but we lived a beautiful life. We did not go without.
And it went from we're not going without too, we
could lose the house, we may not be able to eat,
(17:20):
and they're God for my mother, who was a working
woman from the time she could work, and she was
the plan B. And because I saw arguments that very
much had to do with money and frustration on my
mom's behalf, I go into situations very differently. I have
a very strange relationship with money. I am constantly thinking
(17:42):
about a plan B my house that I'm.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
A strange relationship. That's a smart relationship.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Okay, So I started saying that I have a smart
relationship with money as well. I switched my mindset because
I'm like, this is actually a good thing because we
don't know what tomorrow is going to bring.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Absolutely, I loved the idea of.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
When I bought my house Palm Springs, I was like,
if we hit on hard times, I can rent this bad.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Bitch out, that's right, the adu in my backyard.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I was like, I'm buying this because if we hit
on hard times, we can rent this bitch out, or
we move back there and rent the big house out.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
So I'm just constantly thinking about the rainy day because
of my dad.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
But I had a tremendous amount of guilt putting that
in my book because I know it was a pride thing.
For him, right, and he's supposed to keep the family together.
And I could tell he wanted to shout on the
top of the roof that like he was struggling. But
my mom was of the nature of what will the
neighbors think.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Isn't this terrible? There was not to tell the details
of it, but my parents had a financial situation that
did not need to happen, but they were of the
what would the neighbors think. Can't discuss finances with people ever,
And that was to their detriment and it took a
(18:55):
big financial hit. And Tyry and I are so the polarpposite.
But because of my upbringing, Terry when we first got
together and he would talk about money and first I
thought it was like showy, braggy, right, and then you know,
it's so uncouth to talk about money. How could you
do that? And then he would talk to his buddies
(19:17):
and I was like, that's crazy. You guys all talk
about your money and he goes yes, And then I realized, oh,
dumb ass, Heather, Like, that's how you they this is
how they communicate, They learn from each other. What are
you doing with this? So you're converting it to a
roth Ira, you're doing this thing. Hey, my tax guy
told me that, oh great, and that is the best
thing ever. And the gatekeeping that people do with their wealth,
(19:43):
with their skin and care, with their parenting, with all
the things right crazy to me. So we don't gatekeep it.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
It's good, thank God.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
By the way, the skincare thing is, I saw Megan
Fox on some interview and she was gatekeeping one of
her something she did with her face, and I'm like,
how could you do that to everybody?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah, here's my thing, here's my thing about facial stuff.
I just feel like, if you want to get work done,
go I have. I mean, it's awesome, it pays the mortgage,
so get it all, get it all done. But I
don't think that people have to disclose everything. I don't
(20:27):
think it's fair to people. I think if you want
to go get your breast done, get your facelift, like,
whatever it is you want to do, go do it.
And if you want to tell people, fantastic, And if
you don't, that is your prerogative. But the only caveat
is do not go get that stuff done and then
tell me you drink water and get nine hours okay,
because that kisses me off.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, that pisses me off to that ain't true.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
But also if you go and you have, you know,
a niptuck or an injection here there, and you look amazing,
how are you.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Not gonna tell me? I want to go get that done?
I know, I don't know. I haven't had it done.
I mean, I get needles and stuff, but don't.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
We all have. They're all tak It's so funny.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Fifty six.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I we're going to talk about peptides on because I
want to get your thoughts. But I have the hardest
time injecting my peptides.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I saw you with the peptides on social media.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
But the moment it's time for botox, I'm like anywhere
you want to put needles to the face, I don't care.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Well, did you did you talk about this? Did you
do IVF?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I did not do IVF. So I conceived so sad,
just the the scientific sexual way where it's like text
the doctor io yep I U, I stirrups, yeah, needle
instead of a dicky. You know, let me know in
two weeks if you're pregnant. And I was going to
do it a third time until you told me I
(21:46):
met with a psychic though, and he told me that
I'm going to have another baby, but with a man,
and I just refuse.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
No, Heather, Heather, Just so you know, my first three
were IVF and the last one apparently was the penis,
and apparently it was with Terry's and I'm telling you
it was a dry spell. I do not know. I
how that happened, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
So you did IVF with the first three.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Had twins IVF. Those are the embryos. I got. That's
what we got, okay. And then I wanted the experience
of having just one, so he did IVF again. I
ended up with three embryos, put one in okay, got
cat okay. And then she had some issues talk about gatekeeping, parenting.
She had some issues. At fifteen months, she wasn't crawling, walking, talking, nothing,
(22:35):
And I took her to this neurologist and they said
she wouldn't have four words by the age of four.
And she was a practic. It was so heart wrenching,
and I she went she was in speech therapy, and
she was in physical therapy and all the things. She's
at Yale.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
By the way, that is incredible.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
He was wrong he was very he was very wrong.
But she did need speech therapy, she needed a push
to get going. And she's a I mean a brilliant,
well obvious and talented and sweet. She's like we call
her the good one. Yeah, there's always the one good one.
She's really good. But because I was so scared, we
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had two frozen embryos and I thought done not having
any more kids. We're very lucky, we have three healthy kids.
And we started later anyway. I'm like, we're good, check
the box, no more kids. But I was infertile, so
that's why we did IVF right, So I was like,
I wasn't really worried about it. And then I got pregnant. Wow, yeah,
I was forty one.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
The higher power had a different plan for you.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Man. Try being forty one year old, pregnant, chasing three
little ones. I can't even imagine. Oh, it's exhausted.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I'm exhausted twenty four to seven, And I'm like, how
does one get unexhausted?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
You don't, but it's a different kind of exhausted. You
go from that your kids are so little, it's physically
exhausting right up, and then they're sick and you chase them,
and then you play a certain way and then you're
in the pool all the time, or you're on the
slide and you're instantly going. And then you add.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
The reality television aspect. Because I've been out of the
game for two years, I've been like strictly mom. And
I have to say I loved it because, as you know,
it's such a fleeting time.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
It's a good break too.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It's a great break.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
And I got to be at you did take a
break and you and I got to be at every
drop off and pickup and dance recital and it was
like mom time with the kids playing. I got to
experience that and it was wonderful. And now I'm juggling
trying to be a present mom then the mom guilt
on top of now filming a show again.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
And did you have that shock when you went.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Back to OC where it was like, oh, we're like,
no one skipped a beat and we're thrown into the
lions den.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
The show had changed from it. I mean, well, first
of all, I was gone for four seasons, which equated
to five years because of the pandemic, and that had happened,
so that kind of changed everything to you. Right, So
the world was a bit different. And when I left
the show. So I started the show when my youngest
child was nine months old and he's starting fifteen in December.
(25:15):
Is that crazy? So my kids were a little crazy.
They were nine months old to seven and a half.
So when I started and when I left five years later,
do the math on that, they were still little. But
when I came back, they were now older, right, And
so it was like better and worse in a way
(25:36):
because everyone was in real school, which is a lot
easier because you can film a lot while they're at school,
which is nice. Yeah, that is nice. Yeah, it was
very strange to come back. But I was still working
in between. I wasn't just home YouTube channel. I've had
a podcast for a decade, like Hustle. I was like
I was always and little guest stars here and there,
(25:57):
stuff like that, scripted and know, writing books with Terry
and doing stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I need a nap just thinking about all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Yes, so you know we've done TV shows together and
what you know, I'm always doing something.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I know you are and it's amazing to watch. By
the way, I don't.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Feel guilty because here's the thing, you know this is
your path. And part of what's incredible about you is
how you are this single parent with these incredible kids
and you have a career and a podcast and you're
a book and the thing, and you hustle, you do
all these things and making it work. You are a
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balancing Yet, yes, there is no perfect balance.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I don't think so either there's not, there's And there
was a woman who said to me, and I passed
this along to all my other mom friends who are
feeling mom guilt. But I was saying to her that
I was struggling with the mom guilt and you know,
I feel like I've been dropping the ball. And she
was like, they are going to be day is where
(27:01):
your kids are simply loved and fed, and that's a
win and fucking take it.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yes, and I would like it. Okay, you know what
all is good?
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Listen. The other day, Terry and I were going because
with four two, even with two, one one's up, one's down,
one's sick, one's healthy, one's happy. One said like, there
are very rare moments where everyone's okay. And when I
tell you, I soak. I don't care if it's an hour,
everyone's good.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
That hour.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
That's a win. I don't know from Terry.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Oh nudies.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
No, I never sent a nude in my life. By
the way, if you saw Terry's camera, but it's all nudes.
This does nothing for me. It's funny. I did say
to him. I remember we first got together. I was like,
it's gonna be okay, this is all real, you know,
like I think I still am the only yes, good
(27:56):
for you. I think I'm the only plastic surgeon's wife
with real boobs. Oh yeah, it's possible. But anyway, I'm
just saying like, yeah, I don't know that nudes would
do it for him. He likes silly stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Okay, so like what is silly?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
What would you send Terry if you guys hadn't seen
each other he was like out of town for a
weekend or whatever.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Well, I would probably make noise. We make noises to
each other, and they're like mating sounds. I don't know,
like he could like if if we're if we are,
if we're like at a restaurant, right and we both
go to the restroom and he's waiting for you outside
of goh nuh, and I'll go, oh no, it's like
we call each other that's so fucking cute. We're so
ridiculous and we've been together so long that we have
(28:34):
so many private jokes together. Our kids, I mean they
laugh and they roll their eyes at us, but we
have like he could say one word to me in
a crack up like we're just stupid stuff. I mean.
But that's not to say we don't have a great
sex life. We have a great sex life.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Can I ask you, as a woman who's been married
for twenty nine years, what is a great sex life? Like?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
How many times a week?
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Like?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
What can? It? Depends? It depends, Yeah, okay, depends this
week not to be TMI a lot. Good for you
because we were fighting so we just made up. So
we're like and we're in a good spot right now,
and then we're going to be in the Bahamas next week.
That's gonna be like hotel sex for us. Game on.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Do you still put it in the mouth sometimes?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Good for you? Yeah, But he's a reverse cowgirl kind
of guy, yes, yeah, of course he is. Yeah, but
like we're still like interested and interesting and you know,
bring things in the bedroom and have like toys.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, can I tell you my favorite toy is the
vibrator that goes in the underwear and then the.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Guy gets to hold the little clicker. So wherever you
are in the party and you're like.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I've seen that. That is not us. That do Harry?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
I think it's hot.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Terry's like not like he's very different. Once the bedroom
door is closed, Well it sounds like it he wants
you know, Yeah, we have a good time.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Ask towards the face. Does he do BBLS.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
No, he's against them. He thinks they should be completely outlawed.
It's the most dangerous procedure. Okay, people die from it. Yeah,
I want to.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I want to get into like the plastic surgery and
stuff on the bonus, But I just wanted to know
if he did BBLS. Is there has there ever been
a point in time where you and arrygo do we
do we do housewives anymore?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Do we do the TV thing anymore?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I mean, definitely not do we do the TV thing anymore?
I mean we always have something in development, like literally
right now, Okay, there's a game show. There's a fun show.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Don't you think like the competition shows, it's a different level,
Like the stakes are higher in a different way.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, filmy.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Reality TV is tough.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
It's tough.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
They come in, you know, what have you been up to?
It's like, oh, I know what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
We're talking about our storyline and it's like, well, my
life's pretty peaceful right now, which I know you guys don't.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Want to DIY. Sorry, everything's okay. Maybe something tragical happened
in the next forty minutes. Yeah, no, it is. It's
a tough show to do. I mean, I'm not gonna
be at it forever obviously, but you know, I'm so
grateful for the platform. I really mean this that what
is important to me after having been such a piece
(31:20):
of pop culture, is that I wanted to live on appropriately.
Like I'm not of the mind like when I leave,
I mean to burn the house down, you know. I'm
not like that. I'm like, hey, let's keep bringing on
interesting people and so it's gonna have a life. I
love that. Can I tell you.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I was in full panic in the bath last night
and I was like, the Housewives, You're going to start
getting older and not want to do it?
Speaker 3 (31:48):
What would happen? What will happen? What am I going
to watch?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Because you all of us are going to get older
and I'm.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Already old, but there could you like, we love our house.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I have so much and I hate change, Like when
a new face appears, I'm like, I don't know about this.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I don't know. I don't know. But that's why it's
got people have to come in slowly. But we've had
really great hires that have blended in really seamlessly. Yeah,
and that have longevity and I love that. Okay, So
I'm looking forward to seeing you know what happened because
next season for us is season twenty. It's amazing, which
is the first house I've season to go to. Twenty
obviously were the first sorts of you know, it's iconic,
(32:25):
it's cool, and I think they have a lot of
fun stuff planned. So I'm excited for that.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Okay, So we can expect because a lot of people
are wanting to see you on Beverly Hills and it
makes sense because you live here.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
But you know what, here's the thing about that, because yeah,
here's the thing about that. You know where I live
to Newport Beach is the same distance from Newport Beach
to Cota Dekaza, Right, So I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
People, I really don't understand how the traffic works around here, right.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
So it's this, It's it's really if I lived in
Laguna Miguel or Dana Point, it would take me the
same amount to get to to the coort to go
to someone's, but it would still be in Orange County
just because I'm over the county line. Whatever. They're my friends.
I've been involved with the show for almost fifteen years,
and I'm very happy where I am.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
You gotta be a part of twenty Yeah, But.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
The reason why I said that, honestly, I mean I
joked it was the commute, which partially is. But also,
you know, we film in Orange Counties, so sometimes I
worry that there's a faction of my life that they
don't get to see, right, So that's a little bit
of a bummer. But I look, I'm very happy where
I am, very grateful for all that. But as far
(33:34):
as doing reality TV, there's other things that I'm like
developing and working on the reality space. I do, but
not necessarily my story, right, pass it on and yeah,
and also I like producing, so you know, I'm also
developing things that I don't have to be in.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
That's nice, which I love. Yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Takes the pressure off totally, and now you get to
be the guy that's like, you're really not bringing it.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
You need to share more.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
You the tears.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
We'd really like to see more tears from you.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yes, please? Did you hit the left eye?
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Did you like having Gretchen a part of the season?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
It did? I mean, I'm not really sure from the
top that I realized how much it was going to
affect camera. Yeah. I stupidly thought that they would hit
the restart button, right because when I joined the show,
and I said this on the after show, but when
I joined Housewives, they became friends.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Right, So I know, was that the friendship bracelets giving?
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yeah? Season seven, like they were friends right, travel together,
we had a lot of fun together. And then on
Gretchen's last reunion, things didn't go that great, and so
you know, we had some issues, all of us, but
I didn't think it was insurmountable, right. And then I
don't know why their relationship went south over the last decade,
(34:58):
but it did. Don't really know why that happened.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
So the podcast, man, Yeah, the podcast and everyone in
control and all the things, all of it.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
So I thought, you know what, maybe they'll she'll come
back on, they'll have a conversation and we'll move on,
because no one wants to argue about stuff from fifteen
years ago.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
No, And it was a lot. It was a lot
on a pent up anger for fifteen years, happy for
her to come.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
And I thought, you know, it's interesting to see where
she is all these years later, and she still was
slated and she is like a five year old and
it's just fun. Yeah. I do you think she'll be back?
I don't know. Will they ask me back? Yes, I
mean I think.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
So, because you're a fucking icon. Well, thank you, we
love Heather Page Kent, thank you.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, the reunion was
a lot.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
You guys just filmed that. Have you recovered? Are you
exhausted mentally?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Still? I'm still a little tired. But I thought it
was really good. The audience is going to really like it, Okay,
a lot. It'll definitely be three parts. Well, good for
you guys.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Can you tell us where were you placed in the
middle of the couch.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
They put the seating up already?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Oh did they? Where were you seated?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
I was seated? It went Andy, Tamar, Gina, Me, Katie.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Okay, Oh so Katie did come.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yeah, great, and then it went Jen, Emily, Shannon Gretchen. Okay.
I thought the seating was really good and I think
people will understand it when they see the reunion. And
I thought it was a really good reunion. Well.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
As a viewer, I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
It's hard for me because I know how the sausage
is made, but I'm also enjoying it as just a viewer. Yeah,
I thought you guys crushed this season. I found it
to be amazing. Are you and Tamra are you guys good?
Speaker 3 (36:53):
We're good.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
You guys have a really sweet friendship.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
We have been friends a very long time. You know
what the hard part is. I can't stand when people
are like, what if she have on you? Why are
you always sticking up? Or it's like, dude, when you
are in a room and everyone is against one person,
isn't it nice that you're the friend that tried Hey,
maybe let's look at the other side. Maybe. Isn't that
what you do for a friend? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
And you're just like amazing at being able to hold
her accountable and point out the things that she did
wrong while also maintaining that you're on her team.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I tried you because my take home to a friend
is we are friends, and so that's the basis of
what we're doing here, right, And we can still have
an argument, and we can still you know, disagree and
all those things, but you got to remember we're friends. Yeah,
So don't cross the line, don't get shitty. That's how
(37:50):
we have to work with each other.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
You have conquered the art of the way you speak.
I'd give a lot of money. Where'd you go to school?
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I went to Syracuse. I was a musical theater major.
We did I heard you? I w I heard you
quoted me at a reunion. Yes, I did.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I did, And I wanted them to air it so badly.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
What'd you say?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
I said to Tom Sandoval, I said, in the words
of Heather Dubro, when everyone around you says you're dead,
it's time to lie down. God bless Because he just
kept going. I was like, fuck it, we're all you're dead.
We all agree.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Someone texted me and goes, oh my god, Lalla's quoting
you on set.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Well, because everything that comes out of your mouth is
just like dripping in just gold.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
And I just love everything you say.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
And you stay level headed, but you're so fucking interesting,
whereas like I think I'm only interesting if I'm ripping
someone's head off. That is.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Ask. There's a reason your podcast does so well. Everyone
wants to hang out with you and hear you speak.
But I have to ask you about the diamond. Oh,
the diamond.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yes, this was my engagement ring and I popped out
the middle stone. I kept the setting in case Ocean
wants it one day, and I put on my neck
because it was just.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Sitting there so smart.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Yeah, I just how do you feel about lab diamonds.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I am of the mindset of whatever you want, that
is what you should go and get.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
If you don't care about the lab diamonds.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I don't want to get in trouble because if I
say I love diamonds, that mean I love blood diamonds.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Yeah, it's a really good point.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
It's a slippery slope, and that's why I prefer.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah, I don't know. I have this conversation with every
someone people that I know that love jewelry. I ask
because I'm curious what people think, and I've spent so
much money on diamonds.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
We can't tell.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Yeah, Well, it irritates me that you could get it
so much less and you can you can't tell. And
apparently the only machine you buy that can tell is
twenty thousand dollars, so no one has the machine. I know,
but I don't know. Am I too much of a
snob to do it? I know you I have a girlfriend.
We can't tell you it is. But she's famous and wealthy.
(39:59):
And you bought some lab diamonds and I was like, no, did.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
You did you see that?
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Yes? I did? Did you see them? I did? I
don't know, I mean, could I tell? But then I
think about this. Maybe it's the way they were set
because she didn't spend that much money on these. She
just bottom she was at a thing. So then I
was like, all right, well a lab diamond, all right?
So I heard someone say it's like flowers. Whether the
(40:25):
rose is grown in the wild or it's grown in
a hothouse, it's still a rose. That's true. Okay, So
if you're growing a diamond, it's still you have to
look at the I mean, they can't grow it perfect.
It grows however, it grows, right, So there's still different qualities.
But then it comes to the diamond cutter, right, because
(40:47):
there's an art arm to cutting a diamond for the
most brilliant and the most this and the most that,
and the way you set it and the design of
the setting and all the things. So I mean, I
guess you could get a LAB diamond.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
I don't think you're sold on the lab diamonds, and
I don't. I don't think you should.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
I got this, like right under the wire, because if
Terry had known that lab diamonds were a thing, he
never would have.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
It is so gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I I cannot see that.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
So yeah, I put my initials diamonds on the side,
and then underneath are Terry's diamonds. And he says it's
because he's holding the weight of the diamond like that,
and I go, no, it's because I like to be
on top. Oh my god, I fucking love you. Can
I ask you about your nails? Yes, that's what about
(41:35):
the nails? Okay? So I used to have square nails,
and then a couple of years ago my kids were like,
you look old, you can't have square nails whatever, So
I changed to this. So I've been wearing this very
similar to yours, and oval. I really like it. It elongates
the finger. I enjoy it. But lately I'm a pilates
girl now, and all of the plates girlies that are
all like you, young and fit and gorgeous, they all
(41:57):
have shorter, square nails. And I need to know, La, La,
what is the thing it's.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Not happening for?
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Okay, I like Heather, I have hands the size of
Shaquille O'Neal. You joking, I cut these nails off. You're
gonna think that you're getting a hand job from a man.
Happening I love, And the only reason is be a
thing to make your nails suter you would think, you
would think.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Now, look at the size of my hands.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
You do have tons the veiggest very long fingers, but
that's very elegant though.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, well my mom like their piano fingers.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
And the piano. The piano.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
No, but I have a gorgeous piano.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
So you and Terry have a new podcast because now
we're both a part of Bravo. We're both a part
of the iHeart Family, the Kent Sisters, the Kent I'm
loving all of this. It's called between us. You had
a podcast solo though first, right, for like a decade,
for a decade, yes, So what is it like? Now
having your husband as your co host.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
You know it's We have written three books together, okay,
we have done TV shows together, and I mean so
many things that you know. Some couple's golf, some have hobbies.
We like to work, we like to make content. We've
had a skincare and supple bedline for eleven twelve years.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Feel free to send me some Oh do you want
to forgive me a link?
Speaker 3 (43:20):
No? No, I'll buye.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
I'm not stingy Noppin either. I am a skinny.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Our skincare is great, it's all I use. It's really great.
I have really sensitive skin. So anyway, but we have
done all these things together, and so we started doing
these tiktoks, which, according to my children, are very cringing,
but we were getting millions and millions of hits on them.
So after being so long with my podcast, I was
(43:45):
really just ready for something a little bit different, okay.
And after the TikTok thing, I said to Terry, I go,
this is so crazy. Why don't why don't we just
do a podcast together? And he was like, oh, I
love this idea. Let's so so we've been doing it.
It's been so good for us. But I will tell
you I will eventually probably do another one that's a
(44:07):
little more girl coded love it and probably be with
one or two I'm talking about it right now, but
probably with one or two other women, because I miss
the girl part of the conversation right and there is
such a big part, Like everyone loves being tear together
and they love the relationship stuff and the money talk
(44:29):
and the real love about money stuff, but all that stuff,
and I think it's such great conversation and it's stuff
that people haven't been privy to before with us, so
that's really fun. But I know also people are missing
that side of catching up about the kids and you know,
that kind of day to day stuff.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah, the stuff that you talk about with your girlfriends
that like bonds women. I love that.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Where can we listen to your podcasts? Yours and Terry's.
Speaker 3 (44:59):
It's called between us and it's anywhere you get your podcasts.
Let's do it on iHeart or anywhere you get them.
I love it. What day is it air?
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Did you say Wednesday?
Speaker 3 (45:09):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Thank you so much for coming on untraditionally La La.
I appreciate it. Thank you guys for listening.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
I'm going to catch you on Monday for the bonus,
and again next week.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Bye.
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