BURN FACTORY Featuring Henry "Triple C" Cejudo I Really Do Worker Harder Than Everyone HARDER

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to The Burn Factory Podcast with Priest and Phoenix Ravera.
Listen as the voice interview the biggest names and sports
and entertainment the Burn Factory.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
As start snow.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
What's up, guys, Welcome back to another episode of The
Burn Factory Podcast. I'm your host, Priest Jova, my co host,
my brother, the one and only Phoenix save as upt
of the count.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
What's up, y'all?

Speaker 3 (00:25):
This is called the Burn Factory for a reason. I
was given a fifty percent chance to survive. But through
that started this podcast because I believe every single person
out there on this planet goes through a burn moment
somewhere in their life.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
You heard pre say a burn moment. So a burn
moment is a super hard time in your life. They
just have to fight and overcome. And me and Priest
believe that every single person on this earth go through
burn moments that truly make them who they are. But Priest,
what an amazing guests we have today. We have wanted
him on our podcast for a very long time. He
is the greatest combat athlete of all time. He was

(01:01):
the youngest ever to win a gold medal in the Olympics.
He's in the National Wrestling Hall of Fame, and he
was the fourth person ever to become a double champ
in UFC history. Not only this, but he is a
great man and an even better mentor to us.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
So please welcome Henry Shudo. Thank you, guys, so many accolades.
Bruce Buffer move out the way. He's been replaced, Bruce Buff.
We thank you, guys, Thank you. I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
You know, obviously I'm hearing you guys is home here
in your studios, so you know, I appreciate you, guys.
I appreciate you guys having me.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Of course.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
So Henry, fifteen years ago today your life changed by
winning the Olympic gold medal and freestyle wrestling.

Speaker 5 (01:44):
Oh, it was like.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
We got a little gift for you. You say that
sometimes it's better than your birthday. So we got a
little cake you guys like.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
You know what, a move out the way too. This
is so cool, man, I mean it's it's fifteen years yeah.
I mean I'm even looking at the cake and I
could see my pimples through it. I was so young man,
twenty one years old, becoming the youngest in history at
the time. In two thousand and eight, you know, I

(02:18):
think the first of all, thank you guys so much
for the cake, and we're going after are we gonna
we Yeah, face is going to go on. Yeah. Fifth,
So fifteen years till today is when I became the
youngest in history tetror winning up a gold medal. And
why is why is like, why is this better than
my birthdays? Because you know, obviously we don't say when

(02:41):
we're actually born, but when you commit yourself to the
dream and when you commit to something that you're more
lucky to get struck by lightning than to become an
Olympic champion. I mean, it's a dream that sometimes you
can even say it's far fetched, and especially at the
sport of wrestling, but uh, it's important to me because
it's just my upbringing. How is it that I was
raised house that I came up you know, coming from

(03:03):
an immigrant family, you know, being one of one of
seven kids raised by a single mother. And the fascinating
part about all of this is, uh, my mom wasn't
able to attend the Olympics due to her citizenship status.
So here I am going over to China, to Beijing, China,
becoming the absolute best in the world and the person

(03:24):
who raised me wasn't there because of her citizenship status,
so she wasn't able to travel. So I went out
on Jay Lenna, I went out on a bunch of
of like different TV shows. The everybody's kind of always
give me the how come your mom wasn't there? And
I just make up all these different excuses. Oh yeah,
you know, you know Mexicans, you know they have about
fifteen you know, she has about twenty different grandsons and granddaughters.

(03:47):
But it's special. It's special to me, not just because
I accomplished it, but what is it that I actually
did to get there, you know, foregoing college, becoming a
professional at the age of seventeen, and then kind of
being written down by everybody, like and nobody really believed
that I could forego college and within four years go

(04:08):
out there and actually win this. So I pretty much
bet on myself, and I think the adversity that I
went through to actually get there is pretty much second
to none. So whenning the Olympic gold was like, well,
like I stole something like is this really me? Is
this really happened? Happening? So it's a moment that's super
surrell that that now I'm a would inspire the world,

(04:29):
and I think that's that's more of what I what
I take from becoming Olympic champion. It's not the metal.
It's no longer about that I became the best one
accomplished my dream. Now it's like, how is it that
I could pay it forward?

Speaker 2 (04:41):
For sure?

Speaker 3 (04:42):
What made you choose the international route and not going
to college for wrestle, Because.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
I remember this vividly, and because I remember going to
Russia when I was in high school and they took
me to the world's toughest tournament. It's in Siberia, It's
called krasny Ars. I have nothing but the best wrestlers
literally show up. I mean I was watching world and
Olympic champs getting put out with them first and second round,

(05:08):
and I remember I went out there and I pretty
much got put out in the first round against against
my rival bi Sekutakov, and I remember being so upset
and so sad and so mad, all these different emotions.
And now I remember, you're sitting here, It's like, why
is Russia ahead of us? You know why they're ahead
of us because that's all they do is they do
freestyle wrestling. So I wanted to change that cause here

(05:31):
in the United States, for those who are watching, it's
like and we have freestyle wrestling and gro roman rustling
here in the United States, but that isn't our dominant
the most popular style of wrestling. It's called folk style,
you know, which is a traditional style of wrestling where
they only do in the United States and the whole world,
which is a very very tough style. And I just
I just remember, I remember it was and it was

(05:53):
probably the coldest day and I think I think in
Russia history, it was like negative forty at that time. Yeah,
like that, like it's a danger, like if you go outside,
like your eyelids will like like if you just close
your eyes for a little bit, like they will literally
stay shut. But I'll never forget it because I remember
being at that tournament and just watching everybody win, and
I'm just like this the whole time. But at the
same time, I'm pissed, I'm mad, but i also want

(06:14):
to watch the competition because I'm still learning. But I'm
learning as I'm grinning my damn teeth. And I remember
that day that I made my decision. I'm like, you
know what, like enough is enough? Due like, we have
to change this, and I said, it starts with me.
So then I made the commitment of a foregoing college.
Right now. I was the number one recruiting and all
in the whole United States. I was the pound for

(06:35):
pound best wrestler in the United States. Like every school
wanted me all the way from Harvard to Iowa. Was
I gonna get into Harvard? Probably not, but Iowa, like
all these the biggest schools in the country wanted to
recruit me, and I committed, and I committed to something,
so I kind of became a professional. I did that
on purpose too, Like, you know what, I'm gonna start
taking money so I can stop, so I can just

(06:57):
get people to stop trying to chase me, stop trying
to like, no, I'm committed, Like I'm all in over
a three thousand dollars check. I'm like, no, I'm doing it, man,
this is this is what it's like. I'm all in.
So then Prey said it worked out.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, was it hard for you to make that decision?

Speaker 5 (07:12):
No, No, not really, because I was so loyal to
the dream. I was so committed to the dream that
to me, I didn't want that college life. I didn't
want something that was something that everybody else had. I
wanted to be different, you know, I wanted to be different,
and I think that's what really, you know, allow me
to make that decision. It's like, you know now being entrepreneurs,

(07:33):
like it's cool to kind of manage and obviously you
see your mom and dad, how is it that they
run their business. But it's cool to make those decisions
on your own. You have nobody to blame.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
But you still to this day, do you think about
winning the gold medal or do you go days thout
thinking about it or.

Speaker 5 (07:49):
You forget? But h I remember like when I first
won the Olympics because it was so surreal. It's like
I was ranking thirty first in the world, like getting
into the Olympic Games. Stephen Abbas, who was a returning
Olympic server medalist, came back and he was a terror already.
This is this was my idol, Like this is the
guy that I grew up trying to mimic and wrestle life.

(08:11):
And here I am, I'm getting ready to wrestle my
adoltude actually make an Olympic team, Like we both meet
up to the finals. It's one of the most epic
wrestling matches in USA wrestling history.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
And he was the Cilver gold medalist in the two
thousand and four Games.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
Exactly, and he wont he won a silver. So to
me it was like, even though he had won that silver, like,
I'm just like, man, I want to wrestle and I
want to be just like this dude, very slick style
of wrestling. And uh, I'm sure your dad has watched.
I'm sure Jason's watched Stephen Abbas.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
You know what I love about the match to even
get qualified to be in the Olympic team is at
the end of the first round you walk in and
nudge him with your shoulder and showing us up. And
was there like a kind of a beef right there?

Speaker 5 (08:50):
There was because a lot of people don't know this,
but this is this is terrible, but you know this
is a bur how yeah, it is on top of me. Actually,
we used to date the same girl, to say the least,
so the girl that he used to be boyfriends, so
the girl so he was he was It's hard to

(09:13):
explain because this is no longer like my girlfriend, but
at that time, like he was dating the girl that
eventually became my first girlfriend. Like ever, I don't believe
the whole Sean O'Malley story.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
You know.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
So it was awkward, it was weird, and like it
was weird because everybody in US arrested knew everything about everything.
But it's been particularly this match because there was a
romance behind this thing, you know, and so he was
my idol. What happened is, you know, at that time
kind of pretty much still his girlfriend, and then I
had to you know, and then I had to wrestle

(09:48):
this dude to make an Olympic team, and all that
kind of song would happen, and then I ended up
going out when he was the Olympic super Medals and
I had to go out and actually winning gold, you know,
so sweet. I mean, you talk about a whole in one.
I don't know what you call it, but that's like,
like there was more to that wrestling matches, even just

(10:09):
making Olympic team.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
But do you think you're more nervous in that wrestling
match anywhere in your Olympic go medal match.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
It's a good question. It's probably the same because I've
always saw competition the same, like I've always I've always
respected every opponent, like it was never really, it was
never really like like obviously the Olympic Games is it
was a lot more nerve wrecking, like especially in the finals,
Like I remember getting ready for the finals and this

(10:39):
is like my dream. And guys, when I made the
Olympic team, obviously I was. I was the last person
to qualify to get to the Olympic Games. And the
year before I was thirty first in the world. So
I was ranked thirty first in thee and I was
the last person to get into to qualify for the Olympics.
And on top of that, I draw the world champion
in the first round, which his name was Roda Vellakot

(10:59):
from Bulgaria. And then on top of that, I had
struggled to make weight. I was literally I was like
ten pounds over and had to lose him about two hours.
But this is like ten pounds, I already dehydrated, so
I'm able to So I after I one the Limps,
I was able to write a book, an autobiography, and
I'm kind of able to tell like my whole story.

(11:19):
At the age of twenty four, I was in it.
I was already an author. But I'll never forget it
because I remember in my first three matches, I was
actually down, so on top of maybe yeah, so, on
top of me being thirty first in the world not
scoring a point in the last year World Championships, on
top of me being the underdog against Stephen Abbas trying

(11:39):
to make the Olympic team, on top of that, I'm
that was the last time I was in the cwight ever,
like I was only going to retire from wrestling at
the Olympics because I was just fed up with it
of struggling to make weight. And then i draw the
World champion first round and I'm losing that wrestling match,
come back from behind, beat him. The second match I
go up against who was a Georgian who's who was

(12:04):
also I was also underdog there losing, came back from
behind and beat him. And the semi finals that beat
the Ozit Barjani, who again I was down, came back
and actually beat him, so to me, I was like damn.
And once I beat him in the semis, I remember
celebrating like Craiz, like you guys wouldn't believe because I
come from the lineage of Dan Gable, like Terry Brandt,

(12:26):
like if you guys know, like college wrestlings, like when
people say Dan Gaber, like, oh damn, you're under that dude.
It's like a military style of of wrestling where you're
either you either could out for it or you're not.
And I remember celebrating the semi finals like ah, I
was like, you know, super stoked, and my coaches, like
he comes from that lineage, was like, hey, you haven't

(12:46):
done anything, like it's all or nothing. Remember him telling
me you got one more match, you got one more
and I'm just kind of I went from celebration to
like kind of like bowing like yeah, you're right, Like
you're right. It isn't it isn't over. But I'll never
forget it because I remember going back. I remember going
back to the hotel that we're at and there was

(13:07):
like maybe about a four or five hour period, you know,
before the finals, you know, and I'm just I remember
going back to my room. I'm just like all right,
but I want to take a nap like I always do.
I can take a nap during a marching band, I
can take a nap, but just anywhere I'm planes anything,
but that day in particular, I couldn't. I just couldn't sleep. Man.

(13:27):
I couldn't sit because all of these memories that I
has a kid that I that were mesmerized in my head,
and I'm just like, dude, i am hours away from
trying to accomplish something that I've always set out to do.
First time in my life that I really felt scared.
I was sitting there. I was just like I was
like in bed, I was rolling. I grabbed my I

(13:48):
grabbed my my coaches Bible, kind of started reading the
Bible a little bit like nothing was really nothing was
really kind of calming me down. And then by the
time I mean those five hours was four hours, I
felt like eternity, Like I'm just like damn, Like it's
because it's not just another wrestling match. It's like you're
literally like kind of fighting for your dream. And I

(14:10):
was a kid that that you know, at the training center,
I would work day in and day out like I
was the first one or the last one to leave.
Like there was times in the wrestling room that the
janitors will be in there and actually cleaning and they're
actually turning off the door and be like, hey guys,
I'm still here, Like I'm still here, you guys turned
the lights back home, Like I was that type of kid,
like legit. I know a lot of people tend to

(14:31):
say like, oh, nobody works harder than me, but I
know that, and I know that when I competed and
I wrestled, that nobody really worked and put the time
that I did in the sport. And I'm thinking of
everything that kind of happened in my life. And then
once once the time was up, my coach and my
coach telling me, hey, are you ready, Henry, and I'm
just like yeah, yeah, but I'm like little, did you

(14:54):
know dude? I was. I was like I was just
super nervous to the point where I was scared because
I never really felt that. But it was weird because once,
you know, once they picked me up and then it
probably took about a half hour to get to the
actual arena, and once I got to the actual arena,
like all those nerves that I had just left, like

(15:14):
it was a trip, like I got I just got
the children. Right now because of all the time that
I had thought about this moment, I'm just like, dude,
this is too real, this is too good to be true.
This is this is like I felt so relaxed that
I'm almost just like, dude, this isn't this isn't real. Now,
what's wrong with me? This almost like I almost wanted
to go back to being scared and nervous. Yeah, and

(15:37):
sure enough get to the finals against the Japanese and
just beat them a clean shutout, you know, two periods
to none, you know what I'm saying. And I'll never
forget it because I remember grabbing the American flag and
thinking about like my family as an immigrant son, you know,
one of one of seven kids, you know, raised by

(15:57):
a single mother. Dad was a drug addict in and
out of jail, stealing our Christmas presents when we were
kids for for crack money. And I just remember grabbing
that American flag for everything that we went through as
a family, and I remember grabbing it just I was
just like screaming to the point where I'm screaming but

(16:20):
I'm crying because it's an emotion that I that I'll
just never forget, you know what I mean, just leaving
that frustration, just leave and it's like, hey man, everything
that happened in our lives is was just was worth
it Withking to this moment, you know, and it was
it was just it was just so special that it's uh,
it's surreal, you know, because as as a little kid,

(16:44):
I remember watching Michael Johnson. You guys are you guys
are way too young for him? All your dad? Yeah, no,
track and field. It was a hot summer day of
nineteen ninety six, and I remember as a as a
kid at that time, we lived in a junk yard
inside of a trailer. It was a black and white
TV with pounds on the side, and the only way
to change the channels making sure the plaiers were hooked

(17:04):
on the right way, and the only way to get
reception was making sure that hangar somehow, something about hangers
and something you got to tap inside and something way
it will turn on. But that day I watched it.
That day I happened to watch the Olympics, and I'm
just like dude, Michael Johnson, just the way he shattered
the two hundred with his infamous goat choose to an

(17:26):
Olympic gold medal just changed my life and my perspective.
Like forever, I didn't knowing what sport I wanted to
go to the Olympics, and I just knew that I
wanted to be Olympic champion. And when all that stuff
kind of comes together and how just everything just unful.
I'm just like, dude, like this is this is just
too surreal. So I go back. So this is why, guys,

(17:48):
this is why this is probably more precious than my
actual birthday, because because of the adversity, you know, because
of not just a symbol of being Olympic champion, but
saying like, hey, you can overcome anything in life, and
you can do it while you know, while representing your
beautiful country.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
I think the most amazing thing was just your ambition
for the gold medal. And last night you kind of
mentioned something funny that the reason you won the gold
medal is because you feared that feeling of losing. Yeah,
and just that put amazing perspective in my life, Like
once you fear that feeling of just losing and letting
everyone down, then you can really achieve tremendous things in life.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
Yeah. Well it's it's it's that, but it's more of
the actual pain, you know what I'm saying, Like the pain,
like you ever, he has a probably to you. I
don't know how many breakups you guys have been through.
Remember that little pain that it hurts, It feels so good.
It's somewhat like that, but it was of course, it
was a desire to become an the limp bit gold

(18:48):
medals to do that. It was it was always a desire,
but also like the motivation becomes different, Like you get
to the point you get to the highest levels, it's like,
I don't want to feel that pain no more. I
don't want to feel that pain of feeling second place,
like I don't. And I remember rustling. I'm just like
and even then, like even right before I wrestled at

(19:11):
the Olympic Games, I knew that was my last tournament.
Like in my head, I'm just like, I'm gonna wrestle
like it's my last day on earth. Like if you're
gonna beat me, you're gonna get you better kill me.
If you guys have seen the TikTok, if you're gonna
beat me, your better come man. It was like that
type of mentality that I had to take it there

(19:31):
because two out of the four guys that I even
rustled at the Olympic Games had beat me in the
same tournament exactly about a year apart. So now only
was I uh able to become Olympic champion. I was
also able to avenge to losses that I didn't like.
So it was the pain of losing. If you know

(19:52):
how to use it right, it will take you to
places that and it sucks feeling like that, but it
will take you. It would. It will take it to
a place where where it will motivate you, where you'll
be like, damn, it's it's different and it's not what
I thought. I just thought it was all love and
pure desire. It's like, no, guys, that's not true. When
you're a high level competitor. It's like, I don't want

(20:14):
to feel pain no more, Like I hate it.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
What was that significant burn moment that made you believe
that you will become a gold medal?

Speaker 5 (20:25):
It's metalists, this is just a dream, dude. Like it
all started off with an imagination. I go back to
that Michael Johnson story. It was that moment. It was
that moment that uh, that really sparked that that that
fire within me, within me to to take it to

(20:47):
a whole nother level. Man. Like, it started off with
inspiration and then you start and then and then that
dream becomes slowly becomes a goal, and then that goal
becomes reality, and it's just like boom, what's next, what's
next to conquer?

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yeah, so Henry, actually on this show we use the
acronym burns, So each letter is a different time in
your life. So starting with be you mentioned your childhood
a little bit, but take us back to your childhood,
to to your middle school days and uh, were there's
some burn moments that you had to overcome?

Speaker 5 (21:17):
Oh of course, of course, I think a lot of it.
First of all, actually start off with maybe poverty, like
not having much as an immigrant son like to us,
like to us as a family. Wasn't about gangs and
violence and all that other stuff like if you want
to find it, that's everywhere. That's could be in this
neighborhood too. Go go knock on somebody's door and tell him,

(21:37):
you know, tell them off, and you'll see it. It
was more of just the fact of you know, being
being being, you know, having the nutrition to be able
to you know, I grew up malnutrition as a kid,
like maybe maybe we would be lucky to eat twice,
you know. I remember having a growing stomach as as
a kid, going to thirteen different schools, thirteen different elementary

(22:03):
schools growing up, I can probably name them all and
all in a five mile radius block. But it's it's
a real it's it's a real story, and a lot
of these people is what a lot of kids go
through that. But as you get older, you start to
understand that's actually it's actually what made you you know. Yeah,

(22:25):
So then yeah, because every day it almost felt like
every six months it was hey, you got a new
you know, oh you're a new student and you got
a hey class, Hey, and then it's like, dude, we
started all over again, like you know what I'm saying.
So it's almost like but that also kind of build
the callous you know what I'm saying. It's almost like
you almost kind of become start to become bulletproof and

(22:45):
you start to understand more of like the real world,
you know what I'm saying. So that's a lot of
what the beginning had taught me at such a young age.
And I think me being a father now it's like
I wouldn't want my kid to go through that as
much as like successful through it, because there is a
better way.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
If you didn't chance for school so many times, do
you think your life would be completely different?

Speaker 5 (23:08):
Yeah? I think so. I think so, but I don't
think the hunger that I've maybe had, like mentally and
literally would probably be there. But uh, you know, sometimes
you're you know, if life gives you orange, what do
you do you make orange juice? You got to deal
with the cars you're dealt with. And I think as

(23:28):
a kid, we already understood because my mom was hard
on us. Like my mom was like a very traditional
Mexican lady that had her own uh, that had her
own trauma growing up and she's just like, hey, this
is this is what it is. This is what it is. Guys.
You know this isn't this isn't what the cat never
catches tweeties like no, that's like you guys screw up

(23:51):
and this is this is what it is. We almost
kind of like like looking back at it now, like
all right, man, like we got it. But man, you
don't want to grow up too too young? Could you
lose some of that kind of that that that innocence?
I guess you could.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Say, do you think you grew up too young?

Speaker 5 (24:09):
Yeah? Yeah, we already knew that. I already knew, Yeah,
I just I knew too much at at such a
young age.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Did you play any other sports growing up.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
No, no, I was a kid that we couldn't afford
a lot of things. Like I never grew up with animals,
so we didn't have any animals. We didn't have any cats.
We ain't have any dogs or anything like that which
we could We did we want one maybe, but could
we afford them was the biggest thing. And that's one
thing that we that we didn't. But that's one thing
that I do old credit to is I got. I
was a street kid that played a lot outside, Like

(24:45):
you know, I always barefooted. I was always doing something
that uh that was adjuncts. I had a lot of energy,
and uh I did play soccer for that was actually
the first sport that we played. And it was like
some drunk guy at the apartments that we lived in.
He decided to like start like a soccer team because
he had a kid who liked soccer who didn't really

(25:07):
like soccer. He was trying to make him play soccer.
So this dude would drink a six pack and he
would just make this all like you know, because it
was a neighborhood that was full of a bunch of
kids and he was just like a right man. Uh
I don't even think he knew to play soccer. We're
just like he want to start a team, and was
just like, yeah, man, that sounds We'll be part of
your team. So we're we're pretty good as we're pretty
good soccer soccer players as a kid. But even that

(25:29):
perspective kind of changed. I knew that I wanted an
individual sport because it was me and my brother and
a bunch of other little kids. We men to the finals,
a bunch of these like imagine like the little Rascals,
like think of that movie. You know, we're all like
just half of our you know, maybe there was a
couple of parents that would go to the games, maybe one,

(25:50):
but we uh, we made it all the way to
the files. When we get through this, like there's like
a blowout, like this team completely that just beats to dude,
like ten like ten to two or ten. Oh won
something stupid and crazy, And I remember I was so
pissed off. I was so mad that me, both me
and my brother like on the world. I was probably
about ten, my brother was probably about twelve. That me

(26:12):
and him we started kind of like blaming each other.
We almost start fighting in the court, and then on
top of that, if my brother wasn't even like he
was super mad at me because they ended up pulling
him out of the game and they kept me in. Oh,
it's just like we're gonna lose anyways, but it's better
if you just let Henry play because they knew as
kind of like a firecracker too. But then my brother

(26:34):
was like, now you wait till wee get home. And
then we got home and then my mom was like, well,
so what happens. She's like, well, the and this is
the type of mentality that we grew up. And yeah,
but the coach said, because they gave us all a trophy,
and it's like, but the coach said that we all won,
like everybody wins. And my mom was like, it's like,

(26:55):
your coach is wrong. He's like, there's only one winner.
And she's like, let me see those trophies. She grabs
a trophy. I don't know what she did with them.
She's like, man, you guys didn't win anything. As a
matter of fact, dude, you guys she grabbed a belt.
You guys embarrassing me in front of everybody, like cause
we they just started finding actually like telling each other
off in Spanish. So she's like, yeah, not only are

(27:20):
you guys not gonna have trophies, but you guys did
get a woodman and she got us both. But I
understood it, you know what I'm saying. So I come
from that. I come from that lineage just like like
all right, man, like like you guys could be kids,
but let's not get overboard. But what I did understand
too from playing soccer, It's like I knew that I
belonged in wrestling, like I knew I belonged in a

(27:41):
contact sport on a one on one competition. You know,
because growing up we watched we grew up watching UH,
we grew up watching boxing, and then somehow rustling fell
into our laps, you know, as uh as a kid
growing up in UH in the West Phoenix, like, uh,
this is the beginning. Still in the letter B, like

(28:01):
a bunch of drug Mexican Mexican guys would get together
these to make us fight. They used to make us
fight as a sort of entertainment, you know, whether it
was with gloves or with dog gloves. But these dudes
would just get there and you know it was it was,
it was. They have like those little ice cream cards
that was completely illegal, and sometimes they would sell drugs
out of them, but the majority of the time those
dudes were like legit selling ice cream and they're like hendy.

(28:24):
They used to call me a data He's like hey,
He's like, he's like how much for this guy? And
I will kind of negotiate with these these are so
how big is the Alright, all right, let's go, let's
bring it out. But to me, I've also noticed that
it was the ice cream, but it was more of
that spirit of competition than I already that was already
engrave in me. I already had a certain added to

(28:44):
me that I that I knew that I had to
pay attention to. So then kind of kind of start
fighting and in the neighborhoods where I'm starting in our
apartments like that to eventually my brother Angel who started
wrestling first, my brother Angel and George and I remember
going to their wrestling match for the first time. And
at first when they said when they when they said wrestling,

(29:08):
I was thinking they were I was thinking like w
w F, Like oh, okay, they had that in school.
I was thinking like the ring and all that. But
when I got there, it was like a wrestling mat
and I remember seeing these two they had like wrestle
lessons at the junior high. I remember seeing these two
dudes come together. They would actually compete and then and
then they would put each other and then the person
that would put the other person on the back, you know,

(29:30):
would win. And then then I'm just I was a
bit confused, but I was like, I remember being mesmerized
by it because then the principal would come up and
literally give the dude a metal or give them something.
I'm just like, man, and they're being rewarded for fighting. What.
So when I saw that, I just knew that that
that's what I wanted to do. That I wanted to

(29:51):
compete and then the rest was history.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
What was that competition between like you and your brother Angel, like,
because he was unbelievable in high school as well, one
hundred and fifty and O he was.

Speaker 5 (30:03):
Yeah, it was competition, but it was it was almost
more of Angel kind of played a father figure with
me because he was bigger than me, so I was
like his little brother. But I was also somewhat of
his son, you know, because he was kind of like
the more mature, more reserved. I was more of you
know a little while, like you had to tell me

(30:23):
maybe more than twice to do it, or maybe three times.
So he had so he had to play even as
a brother or certain role with me. Remember it was
seven of us or our mom made us responsible to
kind of take care of each other, and if one
did something wrong and the other one didn't see them,
like you guys, are both kind of got to get
in trouble, you know. So it was somewhat like that.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Did he ever want to get into combat sports after wrestling.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
Yeah, yeah, he had aspirations. But I think with my brother,
I think he had a better talent. I think his
I think more of his love was than actually teaching,
and and he did a hell of a good job
with him. I mean, this year he was voted in
the United States as the best wrestling coach in the country.

(31:11):
Like you guys have any idea how hard that is,
Like there's a lot of great coaches, but when somebody
says that, dude, this year is the best, is the
best wrestling coach in the country, It's it's an honor,
you know. So he got the war this year. Over
the summer, I'm just like, man, like I just you
know I go back. I'm just like, man, I love

(31:31):
my brother like there's nobody, there's nobody really on this
earth that I admire more than my brother Angel.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
And any specific reason why just because he was a
father figure. It was more.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
It was more just because of his character, like you know,
like I always trying to do the right thing, you
know what I'm saying. I was kind of like the Angel.
The devil was kind of like the Devil a little bit.
Angel was always legit. I'm just like, man, why can't
I be more like that? Like you know, like do
I have to break that window? Like do I have to?

(32:04):
So I think of that, But I just think of
him as just just being overall role model, you know,
being being the first, uh you know, being the being
number one in the country, being undefeated in high school.
I'm just like you know what I'm saying, and just
being just you know, being loved by people. You know,
like I was never really love by people like my

(32:27):
brother Angel was. You know. You may like now you
may be a fan of whatever, but even when I
was a kid, I was always a bit different, you know,
because I wouldn't just try to rustle you or beat
you like I would try to prove a point like
it's like, it's like I would, I would go to
that extent of overkill. You know, some people are like, dude,
this dude is likened to chill. Yeah, exactly, you know

(32:51):
from you know, tow a hundred real quick.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
All right, Henry, it's time to go on to you
and burn unfortunate. I believe that through those I'm fortunate
burn moments, the best things can come out of them,
just like myself whenever I was unfortunately burned in the
school sciences are about my teacher that permanently left me
scarred and had a fifty percent chance to survive and
spent a week in ICU. But during those tough times,

(33:16):
I had my dag go get my putter because I'm
a competitive golfer, and I'd put golf balls into a
glass jar. And that's when I called it my burn moment.
As I'm all hooked up to all the tables ivs
and like, I can't even see the left side of
the ball because my face was all swewed up. And
at that moment, I could have either worried about dying

(33:39):
or I could have worried about having a best The
good time and the best time to get me to
where I'm at today.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Yeah, yeah, either swink or swim. But yeah, I think
adversity is a gift. I think your perspective has a
lot to do with that version. How's it that you
actually view it. But I think the unfortunate part is
probably not having a father like you know, like my
legit blood, I think now me, you know, having America.
You guys see my little girl. It's you know, I

(34:10):
try to be there. Man. That's sometimes as tough as
it is, you know, it's like I wouldn't change it
for the world. But then I go back and I
think of their past, what's happened to them, and really
understanding sometimes that's just the way life is. So I
think the unfortunate part is at times not having that

(34:30):
masculine energy, that masculine person that could teach you certain
things rather than just rather than being raised by your
brothers and sisters, you know what I'm saying. So I
think that's that's that's to you that I would consider.
You know, for those who are watching, if you have
kids or you pretend to have kids, like be there either,

(34:51):
because not everybody is as fortunate to have a worldview
of perspective like myself.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
It was hard.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
I mean, I can imagine not having a father figure.
But looking back, now, do you think that was beneficial
to you because now you being a father, you're taking
that extra push to be the best father you could be.

Speaker 5 (35:10):
Yeah, but sometimes you don't know what you don't know,
you know, But yeah, of course I think. I think
I was able to pave the way to where I
can understand life a little bit better. And it was
better for him to be gone than for him to
continue to keep being abusive to my mother and you know,
and being on drugs, you know, my dad Eventually, unfortunately,

(35:32):
maybe that that could be it too. Is He died
a year before the Olympics, before I became Olympic gold modelist,
and I was supposed to go see him, like a
month or two before he actually passed away, and my
family didn't convince me to go. There's like an eerie
film that I wanted to go see my Like I
wanted to finally meet this dude. I wanted to see
his personality, like you know what, I think a lot

(35:54):
of the traits that a lot of people will tell
me that I have of him just to talk to
him just one time. But that's not the way life
works sometimes. So that was one thing that I feel
like would have been cool. But maybe things work out
the way it works out because we just don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah, so you never spoke to him.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
No, I think the last time I spoke to him
is we left the window was maybe about we left
South Central LA. When I was about four four and
a half. And then I spoke to him like once
when I was like maybe in second grade, like over
the phone. It wasn't like in person. And then as
I got older, I kind of started being like, hey, man,

(36:34):
like you know what I mean, Like I'm getting good
at this stuff, Like I wonder what this guy's really like,
you know what I mean. So I started having that
curiosity and then you know, you get super closer. Then
boom he dies heart failure, overdose, whatever that may be. Yeah,
and it was it at forty four, forty five years
of age. It's just done.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Did that affect your mentality going into the Olympics.

Speaker 5 (36:59):
No, No, I don't think so it never affected any
of that, But I did feel it, you know what
I'm saying, because you still kind of you lingering with
those questions with those question marks, but that even that
aside from all that, like I still I still don't
judge him for that, you know. And so I'm telling

(37:22):
you guys, as kids, and obviously you guys have parents
that you never want to you who are we to judge?
Do you know your past, your father's past life to
be able to do that, because if you did, maybe
you understand them a little bit more. And I slowly
started to kind of really understand more of his life.

(37:44):
Like the dude was his father left him, you know
what I'm saying. He was leaving on the streets when
he was, you know, selling gum and all that. When
here in Mexico City at the age of ten, you know,
stilling doing all that to kind of survive. You know,
probably things happened to me. He's probably actually abused as
a kid. And then you know what I mean. So
you kind of start to kind of figure out that

(38:05):
a lot of this trauma. Thank god that it wasn't
necessarily passed on to us. If he was president, he
wasn't right. How much could he could could he have
screwed us up? For myself? Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
So it's it all depends how you could it, slice
it and dice it.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Yeah, I mean it's hard to even think about. But then,
uh so you after the Olympics. You retired after the Olympics,
and then you came back. So how hard was it
coming back for the Olympics and back to wrestling.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
Yeah, so after I retired from wrestling, like I was
always done that way, could really did it. And then
he especially on top of winning the being being Olympic champion,
like I was just like, oh, I'm definitely done now,
like I'm out. You know, He's like he went in
Super Bowl and I'm out.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
I'm going right yeah, right off into the sunset.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
Yeah. But I was able to you know, at that
time when I wanted the Olympics, it was big. It
was big. It was voted the second most inspiring stories
of all the Olympic Games. It was only second to
uh it was only second to Michael Phelps. So that
at that time, Michael Phelps won eight Olympic gold medals.

(39:16):
And then I think and I think after after that
story was I think it was Kobe Bryant that they
put at number three. They started ranking like all the
incredible stories, and then I was just happened to be second,
next to next, next to Michael Felps. At that time,
Michael Foles won eight. Always I don't get eight opportunities.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
But what was that like? Being second?

Speaker 5 (39:35):
Oh? It was cool. I mean that's the only time
that I could say because it's not like I'm getting
a war, but it's like, it's cool for people to
acknowledge what is it that somebody kind of went to
actually get through and actually win? You know. So I
was on Leno, I was on George, I was on
I was on Jay Leno a couple of times. I
was on Oprah, I was on Uh, I was on
all these I was with Larry King Live like I

(39:57):
did all these different TV shows, like the number one
show in the country, kind of just sharing, sharing the story.
And then I and then I produced, and then my
book came out like two years later, because they only
give like I think a few books out to a
few of the Olympians, Olympic champions, and then I was
one of them with Michael Phelps, I think it was

(40:17):
Sean Johnson that it was myself. And then I was
able to just uh, you know, start a world win.
So Mike when I wanted to limit my like my
life completely change. So I was doing public speaking that
the biggest corporations in the world, you know, in front
of you know, Coca Cola, like they heard my story,
they heard me speak one time, and I remember the

(40:37):
president was like, hey, man, you're going to come and
speak to our annual companies. This are the world's most
recognized brand. And I'm over here speaking in front of
you know, thousands of people, Coca Cola, TD, Ameritrade, Procter
and Gamble. I was like a global ambassador for like
the biggest companies in the world. Just I was pretty
much having fun doing doing motivational you know speaking and

(40:58):
uh the last year that I decided to come back,
you know, pretty much coming back for the wrong reasons.
But uh so it wasn't it wasn't the same, but
I you know, it was financially it was just like
the right position to kind of kind of pull me
up because every every company wanted to sponsor me, and

(41:20):
I'm just like, you know what, man, I mean, I
gotta give it a try. Even though my love wasn't
there no more, and my ability took me so far.
But it wasn't enough, Like I made it all the
way and six matches. I think I only had about yeah,
maybe about six matches. I made it all the way
to Olympic trials, semi finals, barely losing the semi finals

(41:44):
to get into the finals, to make an Olympic team,
like you know, after three years off and I gave
everything I had and I barely lost. And that dude
kind of just whoof it was? It was one of
those it was. It was another algemy kind of type
fighting where it was super close, but it was it's
more meaningful because you're talking about the Olympics night, like
you're not talking about some organizedff. Oh, this guy's at

(42:05):
trash talk and let's put him in all this guy's
gonna be able to sell us put him in. I
was like, no, at the Olympic Trials, at the Olympic Games,
it's the best versus the best. You know, what are
you really made out of? Is your strategy better than
everybody else's And that's kind of what you prove. And
that's why I take more pride and become an Olympic
champion then than two UFC belts, Like that's it's uncomparable.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Did you ever get too overwhelmed after winning the Olympic
with all the sponsors and media?

Speaker 5 (42:33):
And I know, I just thought I just felt like
people at that time, actually I've seen this time. One
of them. I was like, man, people need to stop
talking to me that atom. Yeah, someone was like, hey, dude,
I was like, I think I think I got mad
that night. I'm like, dude, everybody stopped. Like I just
wanted to come. I just wanted to win. But then

(42:54):
you get all this other stuff and it's just like
and then I started to understand, like it comes with
the territory, Like, bro, get used to it, have a
better attitude. And it's not like I was ever a
punk about it, but it was something new. I was
just like, bro, like you guys leave me alone. And
actually I think I think a couple of days later,
I got a fight with my brother. Actually, Angel, I'm like, dude,
I'm not gonna go over there to say how do

(43:15):
people like I'm just dude. I'm like, I'm sick. I'm done, dude,
Like I'm toasted.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Do you think that prepped you for everything that that
you got becoming a UFC champion and a double champion
for that.

Speaker 5 (43:28):
Yeah, of course, of course, when you guys, when when
we understand that adversity is our friend and that's what
makes us. That's that's all. It was what Rustling taught me.
I was able to retire from the greatest and toughest
sport in the world to be able to get into
mixed martial arts and have fun and actually make money,
you know, because that's what it is. Yeah, it looks

(43:50):
booto on TV, but when it comes to the level
of competition, it is nowhere. It is nowhere near the
Olympic Games, like nowhere near.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Think about the strength that gave you too. Not many
people know this, but you did vow your ankle and
the Marlon Marias fight the week of and you had
to fight through that. That's an unfortunate Barre moment.

Speaker 5 (44:11):
Yeah. Yeah, if you if you go by, if you
go back to like the fighting game like that was.
It's not not just with that, but even when I
first beat Demetriz Johnson, you guys, go back and watch
that first round. The first thirty thirty seconds of the fight.
He kicks me rounding the peronial nerve, my leg starts
to wobble. My my, that's like Connor McGregor says, my

(44:32):
photo was a balloon, but I had to fight this
dude for five rounds with the sprain ankle. Like legit
a sprained ankle, but I remember, I remember, and I
went back and I thought about that pain and what
it feels like to lose, and I was able to
with the desire, I was able to kind of get
get that split decision and be able to go off
five rounds with the Marlon Marias fight to spraining my

(44:56):
ankle a week on that two day of fight week
or Monday of fight week. You know, my my ankle
was purple and blue. Man. Like, literally, I'll show you
guys a picture here when no one's rated. When you
see it, be like damn, Like the coaches were trying
to tell me, don't fight, you know, I'm just like, nah,
I talk too much stuff. I got, I gotta back

(45:18):
it up. Was that the Burren moment, sure, because because
then on top of that, like I want to take
it a cause, step forward us. It's even the reason
why I even start a character or a persona because
it's not just to sell, but it's also something that
actually pushes me. You know what I'm saying, because when

(45:40):
you compete for so long, like I need something that's
going to really take me to another level where I
can take my mind and everything, because I don't want
to be the laughing stock, you know. I want to
prove it to myself when at the same time, in
some sick way, I want to have fun doing it,
and I do have fun.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
It almost keeps you accountable too.

Speaker 5 (45:59):
Yeah, yeah, so I'm able to kind of use it
that way. But even that, Mariahs tried to go back,
like that's where I h if you watch the last
thirty six seconds of round one, you're gonna notice me
going south Paul, and then I throw, and then I
throw the left hand and my shoulder complete just went
out and I felt it. And then on top of
him kicking me because I think the night before when

(46:20):
I streamed my ankle, they happened to be in the
next room. They heard her scream and then they started
kind of finding out that something had happened, but they
had no idea what it was. But either way, their
game plan was to kick me. So then on top
of him kicking me, on top of on top of
him kicking me, on top of me spraining my ankle
on top of me blowing out my shoulder in those
last thirty six seconds of round one. Like I'm just like,

(46:44):
all right, man, I remember getting back to that second
court to the corner of round of round yeah, after
round one was over, and then they're asking me that
Captain Eric as me, hey man, how are your legs.
I'm like, dude, forget my legs. I'm like, I just
blew out my shoulder and then then you that I was.
That's why, that's the first time that I ever taped
my ankles. I'm gonna show you guys the picture, but

(47:05):
it's the first time that I ever take my ankles
and then blowing this out. So I knew that I
had to go for broke in that fight first and
second round. So I just came out. I'm like, all right, man,
legit kill me or you know, kill or be killed.
And then I was able to kind of start studying
his demeanor and I started seeing him like him knowing

(47:26):
that he can't put me away. And then next you
know it, around three came about. I already knew he
was done, and I did all this, and I mean it,
I did all this with them one arm. I had
no legs. Crazy, I had my left blew out. I
had you know, I got surgery, Like what was it
like five days later, They're like once I got the Amoran,
They're like, hey man, you got to get you to

(47:47):
the emergency room. Your thing is I couldn't raise anything,
but I had two belts and I was happy with that.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, it probably made it that much sweeter too.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Oh it did with one arm.

Speaker 5 (47:56):
Yeah, because if people really understood at that time, Mom
was like a average bro. Like he was the scariest
dude in that division at that time. Knocked out Aljamin cold,
knocked out al Suncia, like knocked out his last three
appoints in round one, and then here I am going
up another weight class and I just had a troll
with the snake, with the rabbit. I started slamming things

(48:18):
on the on the ground, you know what I mean
to kind of get into his head. Yeah, like he
was out there he really want to approve a lesson
to me. But then once I they don't, just like, yeah,
this was It sucks because I was out for a year,
but it was it was definitely worth it, definitely sweet.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Do you think you had more joy winning the gold
medal over the Double Champ.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Yeah Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:39):
When went in up at Goldman, I couldn't see for
like two weeks because I couldn't because my reality was
like better than my dream. Yeah.

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(49:08):
go through throughout life, but it ultimately builds you to
who you are. Like for you, all those childhood times
really brought you and built you to who you are.
And so it's time to go to something a little more
light our our sense for ridiculous. So all these fights,
all these social media, all these appearances, were there any
ridiculous moments that you had encountered that you could share

(49:30):
with us?

Speaker 5 (49:30):
He has All My ridiculous moments are all on the internet, dude,
so you guys can watch him all. I'm known as
a King of Cringe for a reason. But I don't know.
I think I think they're ridiculous that that comes to
mind is because I'm a patron as you guys know.
It's like, I, uh, you know, I'm Mexican descent, but
I'm an American and I name my I name my
daughter America and something just to pay oath. And this

(49:53):
is this was actually in Denver, Colorado. This is a
friend of mine whose name is Frankie Sanchez. He was
trying to I guess, so I forget what band. If
somebody had pulled out, We'll say boys to man, they're
supposed to sing the national anthem at the Golden Boy
Promotions event. And uh in Denver in two thousand and
two thousand and nine. I believe. And I remember my

(50:15):
friend he knew that I knew a lot of people.
He's like, hey, man, do you know anybody that could
kind of be a backup? You know, do you know
anybody that you know anybody that can see that could
be a back And I'm just like kind of thought
about it, kind of stay silent, and I'm like, yeah,
I could do it.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
So this.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
Is he's thinking like a promoter's like if I promote
the Olympical mess was about to see that. It seems
like he thinks I can sing it. I fu it
sounds like a good idea. So I'm just like, yeah, no,
I says I could do it, Man, I can. I
can sing the national anthem, dude, like, I'll do it.
I've always wanted to do this. I always been the
thing on my bucket list. Like I remember getting ready
when you get ready to watch like a boxing I'm

(51:00):
just like, no, I'm gonna sing it. You know what
I'm saying, Like, you know, you know, throw me the ball,
throw me the hell marror. But this is how ridiculous,
this is how ballsy you gotta be to do something
like that. Yeah, but but I didn't necessarily know like
all the lyrics. Obviously you do know a lyrics if
you can sing it along with somebody, but then singing
it along with somebody and actually memorizing that thing like

(51:21):
by yourself is a whole nother story. So then me,
so I probably, I want to say I probably had
about I probably about I had a couple of weeks
by the time he asked me. At this time, I
was enthusing. I'm like, no, I'm I'm gonna do it.
I'm gonna fly to Denver. I'm gonna go do this thing,
like you know what I'm saying, kind of feeling the
jitters a little bit. But throughout those throughout those two weeks,

(51:44):
I remember like looking at a bunch of like bloopers
of the actual so I thought it was so I
was like, hey, what if this happens to me? It
is that Carl Lewis. I think Carl Lewis was one
of them where he messed up the national anthem. It
was somebody else that it was like, it was just
like funny, and I was just like, man, how can
you mess up something so, you know, something so patriotic?

(52:07):
And I was doing this as much as I was
studying like the actual words and all that, I was
also kind of like playing around and kind of playing
with fire while while listening to these bloopers. And this
is where you gotta be careful too. So then I
get to Denver, you know, I'm just like, man, as
the day gets closer, I'm just like, man, you're almost
kind of thinking I want to back out, dude, like

(52:28):
you know them like I don't, I ain't gonna do this.
But just like now I went too far. My flyers
are out, like everything's out like, you know, I gotta
I gotta be the one to start the show.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
So you did it?

Speaker 5 (52:41):
Yeah, so then you know, so then I go from
the ring. This is legit. I think there's a video
out there that somebody has sent me on Facebook because
somebody actually recorded it. So then I was with the
buddy of mine who was His name is Mike Wayne.
He's a Chinese American guy, and he actually even flew down.
I was like, no, man, I can you know? I'm
a patriot too, man? How can I not be there

(53:02):
for my boet he's seeing a national anthem? And I
was just like, I was like, God, lave it meant
a lot that he did that he legit like flew
out to like watch me. And and I remember one
thing before I went up and said, hey, let me
tell you something, Henry, just in case you mess up,
make sure to tell these people like you know, start

(53:23):
seeing to ask. But if you do mess up, just
say I forgot what he said. He said he said
you know what I'm saying, or he said he told
me to say something along those long. So that was
the last thing that kind of went into my mind,
is like and you got the rest and this crowd,
you got the rest, Like, I was just like, but

(53:44):
that was the last advice that I got into my head.
So when I go up there, and it's different because
you can sing a national anthem, but if you don't
simulate the freaking lights here and the cameras here, and
everything's college just here and you're seeing drunk people kind
of like everybody's talking and then the latter hitting you
and then they give you a mic like if you
don't seemulate that damn song, like you're gonna screw up.

(54:07):
So that's exactly what happened in my position as I
started singing, oh see you see you know the rest,
and then I'm just like, I'm like, I'm like there,
like and I just got grabbed the mind. I'm just like,
this is in front of thousands of people, dude, and
I'm just like, I think everybody knew that I was trying.

(54:29):
So then everybody kind of started kind of singing along
with me that we ended up finishing the song, and
then I ended up getting like a standing ovation and
I even like apologize the guys I was. I meant
to like ridicule the songs that I just uh, you know,
I appreciate you guys like joining me and helping me,
like it means the world. But I do apologize. I

(54:50):
was I was probably about twenty I was twenty one
years old.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Yeah, I was just right after Yea.

Speaker 5 (54:57):
It was right after the Olympics too, so you imagine
that you this was live television, but like it wasn't like, uh,
some mediocre. So it was literally legit the Golden Board
promotions event, and they gave me that opportunity. I just
I just fumbled, you know, So you want to talk
about something ridiculous, There you have it.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
How long did it take you to get through the whole?

Speaker 5 (55:17):
Oh? It took a minute because everybody was kind of
like chiming in and I started I kind of started
singing along with them, and then it turned out to
kind of be oh, all right, Like you know, it
kind of turned out to be not as bad as
I thought I was gonna go, Like even though I
was bad, but you know, there's a lot of people.
A lot of people got it. And remember my brother,
I remember my friend outterwards came out to me. It's like,
hey man, I just want to let you know. It

(55:39):
was almost kind of like crying. He was like, I
just want to let you know how much I admire
you for having no balls that you have. He shook
my hand.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
I admired.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
I don't think I could ever, like, especially in front
of thousands of people like that.

Speaker 5 (55:53):
Oh yeah, but you know the worst. I mean, the
moral of the story is if you're gonna do something
like do it. And I kind of because I was
so young and like dumb that I was kind of
I thought it was. I saw the humor in it.
But with something like that, you don't want you don't
want to do that.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
If someone approached you again to do it, would you
do it again?

Speaker 5 (56:12):
I might? Yeah, yeah, I think I would. I think
I would to maybe make it up, but i'd probably
now get like somebody that could actually teach me, like
some of the nos on how to really sing and
then actually get the words.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Get some vocal coaches going exactly, yeah, I get the
high notes.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
We'll get you out there. You've sing the national anthem.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Like Michael Jackson, Hey man, I can move walk. That's
about it.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
But uh, that's funny. Yeah I would.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
I can never do the national anthem. I suck at singing.
People were like, oh, give it a try and give
it a try. My parents like, give it a try,
but I'm like, I don't think I could larry gin.

Speaker 5 (56:53):
Yeah, what's that?

Speaker 3 (56:58):
What's the country song your singing?

Speaker 5 (57:00):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
So we were in Tennessee and we went to the
Country Music Hall of Fame and there was like a
booth that you could sing in, and they made me
get on the mic and the headphones and I sang
a country song but it was it's embarrassing, embarrassing.

Speaker 5 (57:16):
Yeah, yeah, imagine that. I'll imagine the lights.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
People.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
Yeah, it was a trip, but no, but I think
it's you know, the cool thing about it is at
least I did it. Maybe I didn't do it right,
but I uh, I did.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
It good experience. Looks like you're singing that might be
my bird moment. Henryson who goes and makes his own
songs on record labels.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
He's singing the super Bowl national anthem one day, that
would be the dream, right, that'd be the dream. Tay
the swim, move out the way kind of. But other
than that, there any other ridiculous burd moments that you've
you've went through.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
It's gotta be slamming the snake.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
Yeah, I mean obviously some of my theatrics and so
to get back to that and so some of the
ridiculous stuff, some of the ridiculous stuff that really saved
the whole division. It was when I was getting ready
to fight TJ. Dillashaw and Dan know why, I met
up with Dana Wye and Dana White. Legit told me.
It's like, hey, Henry, we're about to you know, after
I beat Demetri Johnson. He's like, hey, Henry, we're about to, uh,

(58:26):
you know, we're gonna get rid of the Flyway Division.
You know. He legit told me, like we went to
lunch and remember this this was like the maybe the
first or second episode, maybe the first episode of the
actual Contenders. This was back in twenty eighteen, and he's like, hey, man,
I just want to I want I just wanted you
to hear it from me that we're getting ready to
cut the Flyway Division. And it's just like I remember

(58:49):
my heart like kind of like sinking. But at the
same time, I was like, man, I'm kind of tired
of Cutting White. I was struggling, dude, you know, and
then from doing Cutting Weight, you'r a whole damn live
you're like, man, But then I just thought about everybody
who was, you know, who's not big enough for the
for the Bannaway Division Because even though I'm sure like
I'm I'm a girthy you know what I mean, Like

(59:09):
I got mean like you know what I'm saying, and
you a lot of these guys had a lot of
training partners, yeah that were flyways, and I kind of
just thought of them, you know what I'm saying. I'm
just like, So then when he told me that, and
I talked to my manager Allie, He's like, you know,
by law, he can't do that unless unless you relinquished

(59:29):
the belt. So at this time, TJ. Dila Shaw wanted
to come down because that was your original plan. Let's
get TJ. Dela Shaw versus Demetriz Johnson at one hundred
and twenty five pounds. We want we want TJ. Dela
Shaw to beat him. So then so then but I
also kind of wanted the opportunity. When I fall was like, no,
I want to go because Demetrius Johnson was supposed to

(59:50):
go up like it was kind of like that trick.
But then again I thought about him just like, you
know what, let's bring TJ. Delashaw down then, like you
know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, all right, as of
right now he is each side, I'll abide, I said,
because I know. I know that I'm gonna beat my
on hundred and twenty five pounds, and not that I
beat my hundred twenty five pounds. We're gonna fight for
his belt, So I'm making it a chance to double dip,

(01:00:11):
you know. So that's why I saw it. So then
I told Dana why I told all you tell Danay,
and Everybody's like, no, Henry wants Henry wants TJ. At
Dillershaw to come down and he'll challenge him. And everybody agreed,
because they're gonna give me a shot at one hundred
and thirty five pounds if I relinquished about, because as
soon as I relinquished about, They're gonna dissolve the whole division.
And this is this is things that people don't know.

(01:00:33):
So I took it upon myself to create a character
known as a King of Cringe to you able to
bring attention to the flyweight division because I was never
liked that. Go back and look at all my other stuff,
go back and look at me pre Demitri Johnson and
then go look at me, you know, post Demitri Johnson,
how much of it actually change? So then I'm just thinking.

(01:00:55):
I remember talking to Captain Eric. I'm just like, Eric,
you know, we gotta we gotta do something to be
different because fifty five people's jobs are about to vanish,
like you know what I'm saying mining being included, so
that I'm just like, So then I just started kind
of like thinking. So then I'm alm was like, all right, man,

(01:01:16):
this is what I'm gonna do at the press conference.
I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna show up with the
with the gold with the gold jacket with snake pants,
and I'm gonna put my gold medal on. And then
right before we have the face off, yeah yeah. And
then right before we have the face off, I'm gonna
pull a snake out because TV is known as a
snake and I'm gonna whip it down the floor and

(01:01:37):
there's a spoop. See how much attention we could actually get.
And then everything that I eventually ended up doing ended
up going viral. Dude, you know it was on ESPN
first take. I just and I'm just like, damn, really
for that, you know, it even went far beyond and
what I really thought. And then people started saying like, man,
this dude is cringe cringe, cringe, cringe, cringe, cringe, And

(01:02:00):
then I kind of started laughing. I started reading some
of the comments, and I'm like, I got that hero
where I think a lot of the stuff that these
people say it's just like hilarious, like I don't take
that stuff personal. And I'm just like, man, that's that's
pretty good, Like that's I get why McGregor and a
lot of you guys have done what they've done to
sell tickets. And then sure enough I go out there,

(01:02:24):
you know, whip the snake out and the fighting TJ
ended knocking him out in thirty two seconds, and then
it still wasn't kind of like pass. You know, I
started kind of getting on the mic. If you go,
if you go back and actually watch my post fight
interview with TJ. I'm just like, hey, guys, I hope
this this was for the flywood division. I hope this
was enough to save the fly division, the flyweight division.

(01:02:46):
I said, this was beyond me, This was for the
flyway division. So day know why you know, the fight
the flyweight division is staying. But it still wasn't as
like even after being in TJ Dealers, like it was
still on eggshells, like you know what I'm saying, Like
it was still like unless I relinquished about them, the
whole division would have been gone. And Dana will tell

(01:03:06):
you this, like they'll be like, hey, this kid legit,
save the division. So then after I beat Mallin Marias,
once I beat him, he's just like, man, this kid
is special, you know. And that's when I started coming
out with the crown and then Boom was just kind
of taking the King of Cringe to a whole nother level. Yeah,
that's kind of That's kind of how it started. Then
after I beat Malling Maria's Dana White said, you know, it'said, hey,

(01:03:30):
this gets something special. The flight, the flight with division stain.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
Did you feel in an excess amount of pressure going
into the TJ fight for the division? Just another fight?

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
It was just another fight. But yeah, I think if anything,
it was a pressure that really kind of kicked pushed
me to get the job done. So it wasn't like
a pressure like, oh my god, everybody's looking at me.
I don't want anybody done. I'm like, no, it was
more like, no, there's a lot of there's a lot
at steak here, and I'm going to make it extra special.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
Well, think about all the other lives you've changed, I mean, Davidson, Figurdevo,
Brandon Moreno, Pantosia, Like, these guys would be non existent
if it wasn't for you.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
They can give me ten percent of their person retire.
How about that? Maybe, Jason, come on, maybe they should
maybe they should.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
No, yeah, you paved the way for them and they
should thank you for then.

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
And they still hate me? What's going on? I get
them their job, they still hate me. I don't get it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
Yeah, crazy business man, it's it's a crazy business. You
gotta Yeah, tell us that story about you and Brandon.
What's what's going on there?

Speaker 5 (01:04:34):
Yeah? Now we are we are? We are we going
to the letter and or what's going on? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Yeah, we can move in and we'll move in.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
So the end, there's two parts, it's now and next.
So starting with now, like what are some moments you're
going through right now? And then move into next? What
is some moments you're going through next?

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
You know, we can go back and actually talk about Brannon.
I just figured the end would somehow be you know,
somehow with connect to Brandon.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
But it does. It kind of does.

Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
Yeah, you think, so like how would I how would
I connect to tell me?

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
It's a revalent thing right now. So like what do
you what's going on in your life right now? Like
what are some moments inside fighting, outside fighting? What are
some things that you're going through right this moment?

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
Yeah, well, I think I think there's a lot. I
think I think right now obviously said this Saturday is
gonna say a lot about what is it that's going
to happen. You know, I'm in I'm ranked now number
three in the world, So I just think the rankings.
If I think Algabin wins is gonna be uh, it's
going to allow me to maybe be in that title
picture once again, which I should. And then uh, but

(01:05:46):
going back to the whole Brandon story is like, yeah, dude,
we're boys man like Brandon and myself, Like he was
my head. He was pretty much my head, my main
training partner, would you say for Miga And then when
I first fought Demetrius Johnson and then uh, you know,
we're closest could be you know what I'm saying, he

(01:06:08):
would actually stay with me, not just him, but I
was you know, I'm the type of guy that where
I feel like, if somebody really needs something, like I'll
do it. You know, like not just him staying with me,
but actually his family too, like his kids. I know
how important it is for him to have them, So
like just everybody pretty much staying at my house. And
then we had we had a good bomb. Man. I

(01:06:28):
was able to I was I was able to be
part of you know, obviously help me for for Juice,
for me, help me for Demetrius Johnson. And then I
was able to get him on The Ultimate Fighter. And
that was part of one of my things that I wanted,
you know, if I was gonna be coaches like, you know,
get this, get this Mexican kid who's here. At least
we put in the word you know, I'm not saying
that Braden didn't deserve it, but when you put in

(01:06:48):
the word you get about to be the coach, it's like,
all right, man, you know, we'll give you that that size.
So we ended up, you know, helping Brian in the
situation of actually getting in, you know, because he was
the champion at WFF, and obviously he was my training partner.
So I make sure at that time that my agent,
which wasn't all it was somebody else, Bill McFarland, that
he knew that I was going to become coach with

(01:07:10):
Joe Benavidez to be the Ultimate Fighter coaches. But this
is the only thing that I asked. Why I asked
for more money, I didn't ask for any of that stuff.
I didn't have to pull at that time either way.
So then I get him on there. You know, we
get on the show. You know, it's like everything's fine
and dandy. And then at that time, the Ultimate Fighter

(01:07:32):
they at that season they were picking like seventeen or
sixteen of the best guys in the world. So they're
picking guys from South Africa, from Australia, from Fiji, not Fiji,
New Zealand, Kaykarra France, Pantosia from Brazil, Brandon from Mexico.
I mean, like, to me, like the toughest Seriously, the

(01:07:53):
toughest Ultimate Fighter of all time is look at Tough
twenty four. So you can see a lot of guys
who now are former champs that came out of that
season and you know, like so then so then you know,
I get him on the show. We're both there, Me
and Me and Benevidez are coaches. And from what they
told us the rules and Haw's it that everything was

(01:08:14):
kind of kind of be selected is it was time
to pick the teams, and they said nobody knew the
rankings or anything like that, but they said, hey, if
you pick this guy, it's going to be a ranking
the other guy that it's all gonna go buy seedings.
So if you pick number one, number sixteen, the last
seed goes into the opposite team. If you pick number two,

(01:08:36):
number fifteen was the opposite team, you know, and me
knowing Brandon and knowing that he was the last person
to pretty much get in. When we spoke to the team,
they're like, Henry, because we don't want to lose a
top pick, and know he's your boy. He's like, pick
Brandon's second so we don't lose because we know how
good he is. But pick him second so we don't lose,

(01:08:59):
or we don't get another guy that's more likely more
likely gonna win or lose. You know what I'm saying.
So what I did is I ended up So then
so then the picking came in and then I think
Joe had the first pick and he picked the I
want to say, he picked Tim Elliott. And once he
picked Tim Elliott, like which I think Tim Allen was
number two or three. I think it was number thirteen

(01:09:21):
that came into our team. So then it was my
turn to pick, and then I ended up picking again.
I ain't know a lot of this stuff. I know
the scene, I know anything, but I just knew that
as a team, everybody wanted me. It was a business
decision to pick Brandon's second. But as soon as it so,
I ended up picking Pantosia number one. And when Pantosia

(01:09:41):
happens to be the number one seed, the number sixteen
happened to be Brandon, and then Brandon went to the
opposite team, Like you know what I'm saying, So this
is how it worked. So I'm just like, damn, so
right there, like that whole show, like I was ready,
like I was already kind of upset with myself because
and even with the team, but the same time was
being a team player because I understood what we're trying

(01:10:03):
to do, you know what I'm saying, Because we did
help Brandon to get into tough twenty four. So guess what,
because he was tough because he was the last seed
to probably get in through us that we're gonna we're
gonna pick him at sixteen. We're gonna put him last.
So that's kind of how it works got you in

(01:10:24):
some ways, but I think I think destiny works out
for his best. So then that's what happened. So then
now it's just kind of like but then three days later,
because he was because it was one in the sixteen seed,
Brandon and Pantosia fought like two days later or three
days later, maybe two days later, So they're telling everybody, Hey, everybody,
you guys be on wait because I'm more likely you're
gonna fight, like if you're the number one seed, sixteen seed,

(01:10:45):
like you're fighting right away. So everybody's already kind of
down a way. So two days later, like these dudes
officially fought. So then when with Brandon and Pantosia fought,
like I was like, hey, guys, I'm ount I'm not
gonna coach this guy, Like I'm not gonna coach pan Tojia,
So I just kind of removed myself from the corner
and then uh, you know, that's when Pantosia and Brandon fought,

(01:11:06):
and then Pantosia ended up being a you know, and
I went and I went up to Braden. I just apologized, like,
hey man, that wasn't my intention. You know, that wasn't
the way it's supposed to go. And then that's just
that's just what it was. So then for like six weeks,
which is the Ultimate Fighter, I kind of lived with
that guilt of feeling like a backstabber in some sense.
But I hope you guys also do understand the scenario too,

(01:11:28):
of why the team was thinking about doing it that way,
and then the whole show happened, like the whole like
the whole shows happened, and we uh you know, and
he got super close to Benning. It doesn't I understand.
And if somebody takes care of you, I get it, dude.
I me and him were supposed to fight, and at
that time, like ben this is being a dick to me.

(01:11:48):
And this is before the King of Chris, Like I
was just trying to be like I wasn't trying to
do things in front of camera for like attention, Like
at that time, I was still I still wanted to
be like that all American boy of you know, non violence,
not really understanding the game like I understand it now
and everything that's based on sales. And then I remember

(01:12:09):
the show was over pretty much, and I remember going
on to Brandon and I'm just like and I remember
and I remember going up to him and we're just
talking to him. I was like, and he told me,
He's like, hey man, I just want to let you
know that. You know, I became really close to Joe
Binnavidia's mensal because I came super close to him, like,
I don't want to help you against him, but I'm
not going to be on I'm not going to be

(01:12:29):
I don't want to be in his camp nor your camp,
but you guys don't have to kind of deal with
this stuff on your own. And I shook hands with them.
It's like, did I understand, dude, after what it is
that that happened and you build a relationship. I get it,
I get it, and you know what I mean, like
it was already like a strain, and shook his hand
like it was still kind of a little weird. But

(01:12:50):
then like our our fight officially starts to get closer,
and then next you know it, I get a you know,
as the fights gets closer, and like Brandon gave me
his word that he was going to go. He wasn't
going to train on either side. Next you know this
dude's training with Joe Benavita's man first camp, first camp,
like pretty much to beat me. So I'm just like

(01:13:10):
kind of like throwing off. I'm just like, dude, you
just gave me your word, Like I hope, I hope
you guys understood them. The situation was it that happened
that you were chosen that we were applying on Tuesday
number two because we didn't want to get another low
SI because the key of the tournament was to try
to get our fighters to eventually start winning. Like we
don't want to shut up. So if you give, if

(01:13:31):
you pick somebody that people don't know, it's like like
Joe would never knew who Brandon Renald was, So I
don't get why is it that he would like nobody
was gonna pick him, you see what I'm saying. Yeah,
So then he did that and I was just like
once once he did that, just like kind of like
my gloves were come off. I was a bit hurt.
I was a bit hurt because I was just like,

(01:13:52):
man like, like you knew the situation, bro, like your
family stayed with me, like I had you here, like
I did you know what I mean to be the
best friend that I could. And I listened to the
team at that point you gave me your word like
all that other stuff, and yeah, sure enough, I ended
up final. I ended up losing like a split decision loss.
And that's probably one that I can say. I don't

(01:14:14):
know how I lost, you know what I'm saying. And
sure enough, after the loss, like Bond, it comes up
to me, it's just like, hey man, you won that fight,
and I'm kind of just like I was kind of like,
man like, get out of here, dude, Like you know
what I'm saying, and you I kind of want, but
I don't know how when the same judge, Derek Cleary
scored four rounds to zero against me in that fight

(01:14:34):
and it was a split decision loss, Like, think about it,
there's the same guy that scored that fifth round to
Aljamer Sterling, So think about how everything kind of corlis.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Yeah it's a trip man.

Speaker 5 (01:14:45):
So so then so then after that, I'm just like
I was still kind of like cool Max, I still
had a lot of love for him. I'm just like,
you know, I get it, man, Maybe I do deserve
it because I got that. I'm just like, no, man,
that's like that's like a kick in the balls a
little bit. Like I hoped you get into the show.
You gave you where that you want to go over.
Then you went over there without even telling me. So

(01:15:06):
then his coach and he never apologized to me, Like
his wife sent me a message with which I still
think I have now, like because she felt bad. She's like, hey,
I just want to let you know. This is after
the Benevitas fight. Like I just want to let you
know that that I'm sorry man. That that that that
the way things kind of happened. His coach too, our

(01:15:27):
visa at that time. Whoever did it, he did the
same thing. They apologize, but there was nothing I can
do now man. Yeah, So then I ended up. So
then I ended up the USU. They're trying to like
make a fight between both of us, and we're at
the USCP and I saw them and I'm just like, hey, man,

(01:15:49):
let's fight, dude, Like this is the only way to
do it now, man, how long ago is this? This
is like in twenty twenty sixteen, twenty sixteen, right after
my loss, I'm like, let's let's scrap you, like, let's fight,
because as like I always sawhim like as a little
brother and I'm like, as a big brother. You kind
of want to teach him or show him. What is
it that you know what I'm saying, like nah, man,
like like he took the gloves, like the gloves are off.

(01:16:10):
But then I told him, I told him Spanish, let's fight,
and he just told me something in English. I'm certain Spanish.
He was like, I don't I don't want to fight you,
Henry because they go like I don't want to tell
you Ben because you're too much. I have too much
love for you. Translation. So then when he told me that,
I just kind of just just left it, like I
just I never picked on him or anything like that.
I was just like whatever, like you know what I'm saying,

(01:16:33):
Like that's just a distance memory for me. Yeah. So
so then that so then that whole thing happened. It
kind of always stuck with me. So then when he
fought against Davis Ifiguaratos and I always fast forward everything,
and he ended up becoming champion, He ended up becoming
and Brandon and I was there. I was there for
those front row. I was like, yeah, I always knew

(01:16:55):
this dude had it. It was special, Like I always
knew it, even in the rustle, even in when we
would spa and all that, like it was always super
close or not close, but I would get the better
of him. But I always knew that the potential of
him getting better was like he was good. He was good.
Like he may look like mcglove, the Mexican mcloven, but
the dude could actually fight. So it's not like he
just came out of nowhere. No, that dude's been fighting

(01:17:16):
longer than I have, maybe double what I have. And uh.
And then when I and then I happened to just
run into Davison Figurarado at a restaurant, and then I
actually brought up the idea. It was like, Davison, I
can help you win, dude, I says, if you trust me,
did I can help you get your belt back and
says I know how to beat this dude. You know,

(01:17:37):
so you know what I'm saying. And he looked at
me and he and I just I just told him
a little bit of like david Son, you don't you
went ready for war today, Like you just weren't there.
But I'm like, but I can help you. I can
help you a game plant this time, you know, I had.
I was working with with way Lee, with Jones, with
you know, Demetri, some of the best guys in the world,
and I'm just like, just just come over, come over,

(01:18:00):
come more for three months. Sure enough, he took me
on his word, and then we ended up we ended up,
you know, I helped Davis in that whole cab. We
ended up bringing back that that world title. Like he
stayed disciplined, like you, unersted the game plan, and we
ended up we ended up beating him. And that's kind
of what, uh, that's kind of how it happened.

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
So flipping things back on you next, what's next for you?
Obviously tonight is a big fight, but uh, what is
what is coming in your future? What are some burn
moments that uh you see coming up?

Speaker 5 (01:18:34):
Getting this title back? Man, that's uh, that's what I
want more than anything, Like right now, it's like I
used to try to chase Folk. I know how good
he is, but right now It's not about that right now.
It's about really getting what, uh what I'm set out
to do. So I feel that pain once again. I
remember that pain that I was talking about. Yeah, I
don't want to feel that pain no more.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
Do you want to rerun it with al Joe or.

Speaker 5 (01:18:55):
I would like to rerun it with Algae, But it
seems like Algae is saying I'm too big. No like
forty five. He's not gonna do anything at forty five.
But if I had my choice, if I had my choice,
I love to get all of you again because I
know the mistakes that I made and kind of to
be better for that fight and to actually win and
really make a statement. But I would if it's not,

(01:19:16):
I would want his uh his boyfriend Mirob. You know,
do I need another belt? No but no, but I need.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
It that went back.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
No more, no more feeling that pain.

Speaker 5 (01:19:26):
Of losing No more, no more more, no more?

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
But all right, Henry, were you just spelt burning your life?
Thank you so much for coming on the show. Tell
everyone you guys, give it a yeah, thank you. Tell
the viewers where they can find you Instagram, social media.

Speaker 5 (01:19:42):
Yes, can find me everywhere, you guys, can find me
at the club. Yeah, you can find me. No, you
guys can find me at Instagram, Twitter, You guys, just
google Henderson. You guys will see everything. So you guys
make sure to subscribe to my damn YouTube channel too.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
You heard the man, Go subscribe as YouTube channel. Also,
go give him some love on social media. And as
a gift for coming on the podcast, Henry, he will
be getting the black label edition Burn Factory hoodie. I
can't reach it here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
You only guests get that so black for the guests.

Speaker 5 (01:20:18):
Put it at the black market.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Dude, you probably offer some good money.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
Good cheddar.

Speaker 5 (01:20:24):
That's nice. Thank you guys of course.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
And like always, please visit my foundation as well, the
Priest James Foundation dot org. Again, the Priest James Foundation
dot org to understand why this is called the Burn Factory.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
And we'll see you guys for the next episode.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
All right, guys, we're here with Henry Sahudo who just
spelt burn in his life and he is now the
Burn Factory Podcast Champion four.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Baby, what's up, what's up?

Speaker 5 (01:20:52):
Let's go, what's your burn moment?

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Let's go, what's your burn moment? Come on the show,
Come get this belt.

Speaker 5 (01:21:03):
Teppy sus

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