The Burn Factory podcast is with nonother than Rachel Lindsay! Rachel appeared on season 25 of The Bachelor and season 13 of The Bachelorette. Rachel Lindsay hosts the "higher learning podcast" and has a book called "Miss Me With That: Hot Takes Helpful Tidbits and a Few Hard Truths." She is a sports fanatic appearing on the First Take sports show and hosted the "Football Frenzy" radio show on ESPN! In this episode, Rachel Lindsay talks about the Burn Moment of the Chris Harrison interview and how that moment changed her life! Also, Rachel talks about how she hates reality tv and how her friends forced her to do The Bachelorette. Lastly, Brownie and Copper (Her two dogs) make a guest appearance!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to The Burn Factory Podcast with Priest and Phoenix Rivera.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Now what is up? Guys?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Welcome back to another episode of The Burn Factory Podcast.
I'm your host Priest, joining by my co host, my brother,
the one and only Phoenix say what's up to the camera?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
That's up, y'all.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
This is called the Burn Factory for a reason. I
was literally caught on fire, fifty percent chance to survive,
but through that started this podcast because I believe every
person out there on this planet goes through a burn
moment somewhere in their life.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
You heard pre say a burn moment. So a burn
moment is a super hard time in your life that
you just have to fight to get through to be
where you are today. And me and Priest believe that
every single person on this earth go through burn moments
every single day that truly build them to who they are.
But Priest, what an amazing guest we have today. I'm
super excited for this episode. Our guest. You may have
(01:04):
seen her on the show The Bachelor Ete. She's the
host of the Higher Learning podcast She has just launched
her first fiction book called Real Love. She also has
an autobiography called Miss Me. And she's a huge sports
fan and it pains me to say that she is
a Dallas Cowboys fan. But she also is the part
(01:26):
owner and a fan controlled football league. And lastly, she's
all about spreading love and positivity. So please welcome Rachel Lindsey.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Thank you guys so much, ed, thank you for letting
me have my dogs.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Of course we got to say welcome to the burn
Factory to the dogs too.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
We are all excited to be here. Thank you so
much for having me.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Of course, thank you joining us. So I got to
break the ice right here.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Okay, you got.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Tattooed live on stage during New York Fashion Week.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Okay, so Mighty did their research, and trust me, I
got to do my research. Yes I did. This was
a few years back. So my friend Randy Rahm, she's
a fashion designer and she actually designs all the gowns
that you see on the Bachelor Bachelorette and so she's
been doing it for years. So she and I have
become really good friends. And she's like, listen, I have
(02:20):
this great idea where I'm going to make these dresses
that look like they're tattooed on you, and I'd love
to do a tattoo on someone on stage. And I
was like, sure, I'll do it. I'm in the market
for a new tattoo. And so I got this arrow
tattoo that much to the disappointment of my parents. Still
I'm thirty eight and they still think that they can
(02:41):
tell me what to do. But it's an arrow and
there's a break in it, and so it's I look
at it as a reminder to move forward, and even
if like the path is broken, it's just to keep
moving forward. That's what that one is. And then the
other one is here and it says free spirit. That's
a little I'm like a shout out to my parents.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
They didn't want you to get tattoos.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Oh my gosh, my parents cannot stand that I have tattoos,
that I have piercings. I come from a strict household
and I'm a middle child, so you know, I kind
of do what I want.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Did they hurt?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
This one hurts so bad on the inside of my arm.
I had always heard that. I mean, I have tattoos
on like my rib on the back of my neck.
This one. I can't even explain the pain to you.
But I had to, like, you know, be tough because
it's fashion week and you know, I'm all these beautiful
models walking around me, so I had to look graceful
while I was getting it.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
So you got both done during fashion week? Oh wow,
in one sitting, in.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
One sitting, and now I have a story to tell.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Now's a good story to tell. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I've been thinking about getting a tattoo there though I
have just one on my tricep. It's actually the date
that he was burned. But eventually I kind of want
to do a full sleeve. Maybe, I don't know, something
to think about.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I love a sleeve.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So do tattoos really hurt or they just.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It depends where you get it. This one nothing inside
of my arm, yes, rib cage, yes, when it hits
the ball. You can hear it hitting the ball. So
it's like, nope, not my ribs and no, I really
sees it. Yeah, don't do it there.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
The ribs are a tough part. Yeah, I don't think
I can ever go in there.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I want to get one on my calf though, one day.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I don't know about that. I don't know if that
hurts or not.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Oh you don't no, no, no, no no, would you ever
do like do you have any lower body?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
No, no lower body, just have your body. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Because of what I do, I also have to watch
where I get tattoos. I would probably have a sleeve,
but because I'm on TV, it's like I can only
do so much without you know, it being taboo.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, sure, what made you want to get that idea?
To get the tattoo right there and move forward as
an era?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So funny enough, I thought I came up with this
on my own, and I think I kind of did.
But then I was talking to a friend and she
was like, did you copy that tattoo for me? I
didn't even know. She has a tattoo more in the center,
but on her forearm. It doesn't have a break in
the arrow, but she has an arrow, and I guess
I subconsciously took that in and I was like, I
want an arrow as well, but want I like my
(05:10):
tattoos to have a reminder, like I have a tattoo
here and it's a Bible verse, but it pretty much
means mind over matter, So I like to look at
my tattoos as a message. So that's kind of where
that one came from.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Oh that's super cool. But so on this podcast, we
do use their acronym burn. So each letter is a
different time in your life that you kind of went through.
So starting with B B stands for a beginning. So
take us back to your childhood growing up. Was there
any burn moments that you just had to get through
they could share with us.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You know, well, I already told you I grew up
in a strict household, so a very religious family, pragmatic family.
But I had like a really fun childhood. I wouldn't
say I had a huge burn moment, but I think
for me, I had to overcome like being the perfect
child doing what I was always told to do, kind
(06:00):
of being on like walking on that path of what
my parents wanted me to do versus what I wanted
to do. And that was a big struggle for me
because I being a middle child as well. There's the
rebellious side, but there's also the side of you want
to please everyone, and so I, even without realizing that
that's what I was doing, I was doing it. And
it took me really until my thirties for me to
(06:24):
figure out, Okay, now you've got to start living the
life that you wanted to. But it's for me growing up,
It wasn't. Yeah, there wasn't like a particular moment. It's
just as I reflect and I look back, and you
mentioned my memoir, which is a book of essays I
talk about that. I talk about growing up and doing
what I thought would please my parents rather than what
I wanted to do for myself. I mean, even at
(06:45):
seven years old, I was like, I'm going to be
a lawyer because I'm going to be just like my
father and I'm going to make him happy and I'm
gonna do and I do look up to my dad,
and my dad is a huge role model for me.
But I wanted to be a lawyer like him, not
a lawyer like I wanted to be. So little things
like that. It took me a long time in therapy
to realize that I have to find my own way.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Well, was kind of that moment that shifted that You're like,
you know what, I want to do my own thing
and kind of branch off from what my parents want
me to do.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Well. The reality TV show, to be honest with you,
the Reality TV show was a moment, and I guess
I was burned in life in regards to I was
in a relationship for five years and there were a
lot of ups and downs in this relationship, but and
(07:38):
it was one of those things where I knew that
it was wrong, I knew that I shouldn't be in it,
but I had put so much of myself and time
into this. Our lives were intertwined, our families were intertwined,
and I just thought, like, I'm not going to quit
on this, I'm going to go all the way in.
And then he burned me, you know it just it
(08:02):
never amounted to what it was supposed to be. And
really he really did me wrong at the end of
the day. And so it was it was a kind
of that reflection where I was in the career that
I wanted, but I didn't feel fulfilled. I was in
the relationship that I wanted, but it wasn't giving me
what I wanted. So here I am doing all the
things that I said I was going to do, and
(08:24):
none of it is fulfilling to me, none of it
is making me happy. And then I get a knock
on the door one day where my coworkers were like, Hey,
their Bachelor tryouts down the street. You should do it.
So I'm like, guys, I don't even watch that show,
and they're like, no, Rachel, we think that you would
be great on it. We think that you would go far.
(08:44):
And it was kind of one of those moments where
I was like, listen, what I'm doing isn't working for me.
I'm doing everything I said, I'm doing what my parents
want me to do. I'm making everyone else happy but myself.
So I'm gonna I'm just gonna go to the tryout.
And that was kind of the moment where I actually
chose myself and the rest is kind of history. I
would not suggest that that's what you do. Don't go
(09:06):
on reality TV to change your circumstances, But for me,
that was kind of me saying, you know what I'm
gonna I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Gonna do this for me. Would you consider the Bachelor
a good burn moment for you? Well?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Which part?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Let's see it.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I You know, a lot of people ask me they
think because I've been very outspoken about the Bachelor and
certain things that have happened, They've said to me, you know,
do you hate that you went on The Bachelor? Do
you hate the franchise, And my answer to that is
always no. I feel like I have a love hate
relationship with it because it gave me so much and
it changed my life completely. But you know when you
(09:47):
have a friend or a family member and you want
you love them so much, you want them to be
their best all the time. And so for me, it's like,
I love the show and I love what it gave me,
but I want to see it be the best that
it can be. I want to see it do that,
and so that's why I hold it accountable by calling
it out about hey, you need to be more inclusive
and there needs to be more diversity. And that's burned
(10:11):
me a lot, to be honest with you, because people
aren't happy that I speak out about a reality TV show.
They say, oh, this is our escape. Why are you
trying to change it? It's been working for this long
and so people either really like me from the show
or they really hate me from the show. So it
has burned me in some ways. I've lost friendships. I
had great friends with people on the show. I had
(10:33):
a decent relationship with the host of the show before
we had the interview. That kind of burned everything honest,
But there definitely have been burn moments, but I also
want to say that there weren't because it's really changed
so much for me.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
And I was actually reading in your book you talked
about how you loved reality TV but you never wanted
to do it. So was it hard to get yourself
to kind of do the show or did it just
come so fast that you were like.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Al just you know what. By the time I made
the decision to be a part of the show, I
kind of was like, I'm just going to let myself
fall into this and enjoy this experience for what it is.
That first night when I was on the show, I
was so skeptical because I had heard I didn't watch it,
but I had heard all these horror stories of people
getting drunk or you know, people talking too much. So
(11:21):
I had like a cup of coffee. I think I
had one glass of wine a cup of coffee, and
I was just looking at everyone like this, like, who's
going to try to manipulate me? Who's going to try
to take advantage of me? And then that first night
was so great. I met friends that I still have
to this day. Wow, the guy who was the Bachelor
gave me the first rose, and so that I was like,
oh my gosh, maybe I can fall in love, maybe
(11:42):
I can find my person. So I kind of let
myself go and just decided to fully immerse myself in
the experience rather than paying attention to the cameras or
trying to worry about what they're trying to get out
of me. I just let it be what it is.
But I do love reality TV. And yes, I'd never
thought that I would be the one to go on
(12:03):
the show, and I never want to go on another show.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
No, you're done.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I would host. I don't think. I never say never,
but I don't think I could do TV again.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah, so you do host though, right, Yeah, how do
you like that?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I love hosting because I love connecting with people. It's
something that I never thought that I would do. You know,
I come from a legal background, and yes, I have
to do I have communication skills because I you know,
I would have to talk to a jury or in
front of a judge, and you know, I would do
trials and I loved that type of communication. But when
I started doing the show and I started doing media,
(12:39):
and I would sit down and I would do these interviews.
I realized I loved this type of connection. I loved
telling stories. I loved, you know, talking to people and
learning more about them. And so that's what hosting gives me.
It gives me the opportunity to get to know someone,
but tell their story and connect with them on a
different level. I love it.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Speaking of hosting, you do host your podcast Higher Learning?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
What is that like?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I love podcasting.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
For you guys, isn't it the most liberating experience? I
thought TV was always it. I was like, I want
to be on TV. Then when I started doing podcasting,
I thought, I just feel so free. I'm not beholden
to any network. We you know, produce our own content.
We pick our topics, we create a community, and that's
that's probably the best part of it all. And my
(13:28):
podcast host is wild. I do it with a guy
named Van Lathan and he is so unpredictable. So it's
kind of like a good cop, bad cop, hot and cold.
We're like brothers and brother and sister, and I feel
like people. That's the what they get from us is
like we're family, and you feel like you're at the
dinner table arguing with your family or listening to a
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conversation every time you listen to our podcast, and I
love it. We cover everything from current affairs to politics,
sports to entertainment. This is such a good time. How
long have you had it for three years?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
So we start, Thank you. We started the podcast. It
was supposed to actually start in March twenty twenty and
COVID hit and so I was living in Miami at
the time. He was in LA and he's very open
about his mental health, and so when COVID happened and
California was on complete lockdown, all the things that gave
him a relief, that helped him cope with his mental
(14:24):
health were taken away from him. So he really went
into a tailspin. And he's very open about that, like
I'm not you know, telling this business or anything. And
so it postponed our podcast till May. So we started
in May twenty twenty, and so much was happening in
the country in May twenty twenty. It was back to
back to back every week, and so we changed kind
(14:46):
of the focus of our podcast to reflect what was
happening in the world. And it was a place where
we would laugh, we would cry, we would get angry,
we would question things because that's what was happening in
the world. It was just like a really scary time
and that kind of changed the whole focus of the podcast,
and you know, it's what we have today. We've lightened
it up so heavy at times that we were like, Okay,
(15:10):
we got to change the focus of the podcast because
it's becoming too much for us.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah, but that's what people want to hear though. Whenever
covid was a thing, go online and hear people because
everything was just so virtual and it's just like what's
there to do and.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Can be so real in a podcast too, Like you
can just speak your mind. It's like you said, it's freeing.
You don't have to follow a script, you don't have
to follow what other people are saying. It's just us
three talking and kind of having a good time. That's
why I enjoyed most of it. Yeah, so you were
actually a host of a radio show as well, a
sports radio show, and so kind of talk about that
time in radio because that's obviously something that we might
(15:45):
want to venture off into.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Really. Yeah, radio is so fun. Okay, So this is
kind of a burn moment too. When I came off
the Bachelor Bachelorette. I was I was feeling myself just
a little bit, and I thought, Oh, okay, this is it.
This is it for me. You know, I'm going to
get to do all the things I want. So ESPN
calls me and I'm like, oh, finally, you know, I'm
(16:08):
gonna get my dream job. They see that I'm majored
in sports management, I focused in sports law, and I'm like,
I'm going to Bristol. This has always been a dream
of mine to go to Bristol, Connecticut. So I get there,
I'm walking on campus. I'm seeing all these people that
I admire so much in the sports world. I'm seeing
I'm seeing writers, I'm seeing, you know, people behind the scenes.
(16:30):
I'm like a kid in a candy store. This is
Disney World for me. And so I'm on I'm walking through.
I'm meeting with the guy who's the head of talent,
and so I'm sitting there talking to him and I'm
thinking they're interviewing me for a job, and they actually
are talking to me about a new show that they're
about to do, which turns out to be Greeny show
(16:51):
Get Up, but it wasn't Get Up at the time.
So they were thinking about venturing out into people who
weren't known into the sports world because they wanted to
bring in different audience. So I was like, Oh, my gosh,
they're going to hire me. This is it. And then
he kind of I must have said something along those lines,
and he said, no, we're not going to hire you.
(17:13):
You know, a sports audience doesn't know who you are.
They don't know you with sports, and I was crushed,
and he was like, we just wanted to meet you.
We're fans of you on the show. And I thought
in that moment it was a huge blow to me.
It was devastating, but it was the best thing that
could happen to me. I wasn't ready for that type
of job. I wasn't prepared. If I had received that
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job on that show, I would have burned myself. I
would have embarrassed myself because I wasn't prepared to be
on a national television show with people who've been in
the sports industry for twenty thirty plus years. That was
not it for me, but it also was that burn
moment for me told me, you're not ready and you
need to go back and start from ground zero and
(17:57):
prove that you can do this job. It was the
best know that I received because I went back and
I thought, Okay, you might know that you're qualified for
certain things, you might know that you have this certain background,
but the rest of the world sees you as the bachelorette.
And so it was a moment for me to reinvent myself.
So I went back. I just started, you know, focusing
(18:18):
on like being a steward of sports, particularly football, basketball.
Those are those are my And then First Take ended
up coming to Dallas, Dallas Cowboys, you know, because stephen A.
Smith has a has a hate. So they come to
the show and they call me because what they did
(18:39):
say is, hey, we'll try to find ways to integrate
you into this world. So they call me and they say, hey,
we're doing a live show. Why don't you come to
First Take. So I'm like, okay, I gotta be ready.
I gotta be ready to go. I gotta be quick
on my feet. I get to the table, I'm sitting
right next to stephen A. Smith. He says something and
I smart off about the Cowboys and he says, oh,
(19:00):
I don't have anything else to say. And then and
I was only on for like three minutes. Well, little
did I know, the guy who runs the show was
watching and he pulled me to the side and says, hey,
what do you want to do? And I said, I
want to do this and he said, listen, a year
from now, I will put you in this spot. And
I stayed in touch with him. I mentored with him.
(19:20):
I started, you know again, I was ready. I was
up up to date on everything, ready when I got
the call a year later, he calls me, puts me
on first take. I was in. I called myself the
C team. The day that I was on was the
day that Lebron announced that he was going from Cleveland
to the Lakers, so everybody was watching. So it was
(19:41):
a sink or swim moment. We lost contact with with
not stephen A. Smith, Oh my gosh, what was Max?
With Max Kellerman? We lost contact so it was just
or no stephen A. Smith. So it was just me
and Max having to go back and forth my first
day on the job, and it was a great moment.
I was ready prepared. And then from that moment they
(20:02):
decided to give me a sports radio show with two
other people Field Yates and Bobby Carpenter, and I again
I was not ready for radio, but I was ready enough,
and so that gave me that experience, and from there
I was able to do an NFL radio show, and
then I did a sports talk radio show, and then
a late night football show, and then from there I
left and went.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
To the ringer. Wow, you took that note and turned
it into something very positive.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
And helped you.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
And I love to talk about that because a lot
of times people see what you're doing now and they
think a lot of people think, oh, she came from
the Bachelor, Bachelorette, she was on ABC and so ESPN
naturally they're all under the same family gave her this job,
and that's really not what happened. I had to take
the time of you know, I was doing like field
reporting I was or sideline reporting. I was doing all
(20:48):
these different things that I could be ready for the
moment when it came.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Wow, what an incredible beginning today your life, Rachel. It's
time to go to you and burn unfortunate to share
a little unfortunate experience myself. It's the last week of school,
he's already out for somewhere. Science class. Comes walk into
the science class. Teacher says she's gonna be doing a
science experiment that evolves fire, baking, soda, sand, rubbing alcohol.
(21:16):
Didn't really think too much of it, and she's like,
all right, we need to go outside to do this,
and because we can't do it in a classroom because
of regulations and stuff like that, so she takes us outside.
We sit in like a semi horse shaped circle, if
you know, I'm talking like a U shape, and we're
like good couple feet away, probably like ten feet. And
(21:38):
it wasn't really working this fire experiment she was doing.
And she grabbed rubbing alcohol and dumped it into the flame.
And you never grab and you never dump rubbing alcohol
into the flame because it can burst. So she dumps
it completely burst in my face. I was the only
student that got hurt, and I was immediately rushed to
(21:59):
ice you and I spent a week in the hospital.
I had seven surgeries and I was given a fifty
percent chance to survive. But something stuck out to me
whenever I was in the hospital that gave me the joy,
and it was golf. So I had my dad go
get my putter and I'd put three golf balls into
(22:21):
a glass jar and I called that my burn moment
and it slowly but surely started putting a smile on
my face. Yes, and if that doesn't happen, I don't
think I'm at where I'm at today. So, and I'm
sure that all in your life you've experienced so many
unfortunate burn moments like being told no and stuff like that.
(22:44):
And is there any other unfortunate burn moments so you
can share?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, thank you for sharing your story. And I know
that you're an inspiration to so many people every single seriously,
every single time that you share. You Know, something that
I don't talk about a lot was really that moment
when I had that interview with Chris Harrison on The
(23:09):
Bachelor because or when I was working for Extra that
was one of the toughest moments for me because it
was dark and it felt very alone and I felt
like it was me against the world. And I know
you wouldn't think that just from an interview about The Bachelor,
(23:29):
but it was such a time, a contentious time in
the country. It still is. But what ended up happening
was that that interview just took on a life of
its own. Where we had the interview, it went viral.
You had people in the Bachelor franchise that were speaking
out and were saying I stand with Rachel, and it
(23:50):
wasn't even necessarily this or that thing. And then it
went on every single media outlet, and then I had
the far right media outlet using it as a topic
because cancel culture was such a big thing, and that's
what it was moving towards. Even though I wasn't really
saying anything, it was taking on a life of its own.
So on social media, I was just getting attacked in
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a completely different way than I ever had before. I
you know, like, I did something that I'd never done before.
I completely took shut down my social media because it
was so like all encompassing and it was just so
negative and people had so many things to say about me.
It didn't necessarily know anything about me or understand what
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the interview was about or where I was coming from
with it. They just looked at it as that girl
got that guy canceled. And so when I got off
social media, I just disappeared. And the only way that
I was able to get through that was to surround
myself with the people who do know me, the people
that I do trust, my family, my friends, my husband,
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these crazy dolls, and I really just took that time
to reflect because I felt like I was losing myself.
I felt like I was often people ask me, how
do you handle social media? How do you handle when
people come at you? And most of the time, I'm like, listen,
I'm confident. I just moved past it. But that was
a time where the words and the opinions were actually
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getting to me in a way that they hadn't before,
and I started to doubt myself and question myself. So
it was completely detaching myself from all of that and
surrounding myself with that trust circle that brought me back
and built me up to the place that I was
again where I felt like I could continue. I was
losing friends over that situation. I was having people who
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knew me more so in the Bachelor franchise, who knew
me a certain way to question me. Then it was
also affecting my job because so many people were like, Oh,
was she you know, being malicious in that interview? Is
that the type of host she is? Is that the
type of interview where she is? Was she trickering him?
So it was just a lot but you know, detaching
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myself and then you know, again, surrounding myself with those
people built me back up. But yeah, that was a
really that was a really tough time went on. That
went on for a few months.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah. I you're really big on meditation. So is that
where all of meditating started coming into your life?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, you know, I really started it during COVID and
then I got busy. You know, we implemented these practices
during quarantine and then when life starts picking up again,
you you let them go. But I went back to that.
I went back to what I know, so that meditation, yoga.
I'm not a good journal or, but I was, if
that's even a word, but I was. I was journaling
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during that time as well. So yeah, all those things
that give me peace or that center me. I like
to say, I went back to how long did.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
It kind of take you to get out?
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Because, like, for his accident, it's been four years now,
but we still kind of suffer from the like the
traumatic stuff of that. So how long did it take
you to come out of that kind of dark place?
Speaker 3 (27:01):
You know?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I would say, I mean, I would say a few months.
After it lasted a few months, I would say it
took me a few months. I still get things here
and there. I still have people question me at times,
but it didn't take as long as I thought. But
I think I was more just surprised how much it
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impacted me. And that's why you know when people say
things like you should check on your strong friends, because
a lot of people are like, oh, Rachel strong, She's
got it, But really I was really going through it
at the time. I actually had a breakdown at work.
And I'm like a never cry at work person, and
one little thing happened and I fully broke down at
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work and I was like in my office crying, and
that's when I was like, I'm not okay. I'm not okay.
Like the boss had to call me, the host of
extra had to come in and like ask me if
I was okay. And that's when I was like, I'm
not doing what I'm I'm not focusing on myself and
really dealing with what the problem is.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
That's yeah, that's a deep dark time. I think it's
kind of the simplest things in your life that bring
you like the most joy in getting out of certain times,
like for him, who's golf, and for you it's just
being centered around friends. So I think that's a lot
of the things that people can take from this is
just find that little simple thing that can bring you
the most joy and that'll get you out of the
your burn moment.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
And there's the old saying that the people you surround
yourself when you're young are the people that you're going
to be in the future. So always surround yourself with
the good people. And that's right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
So right, oh, go ahead, No, you got I was
just gonna say so, now that you say that, always
check up on your friends.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Is that kind of something that you push forward? Now?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, I try to remember, because I mean it's easy
you think, oh, that person's got it, they're good. But
I try to reflect on where I was in that
moment and how a lot of people assume she's got it,
she's fine, but I really wasn't. So I try to
do that. I try to, yeah, check in on my
friends as well.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Is there one particular person that stands out to you that, yes,
I need to reach out to them all the time,
or that's helped you and during your struggle times.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I don't know if there's one particular person, but I
feel like I have a circle of people because even
even before that happened. I felt like I kind of
established that during quarantine, especially my friends that you know,
live by themselves or my sister lives by herself in Atlanta,
so that was somebody I was like really worried about
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and making sure that she was okay, and you know,
because she really didn't have any a lot of friends
or family around. But yeah, nobody in particular.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
So your favorite song is paper Planes, right, So I'm
assuming you must have been jamming out to some paper
Planes during quarantine to help lift you up.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I feel like that ages me so much. It was
definitely the song in college and and I lived in
New York. That song I always wanted to get back
to New York, probably another burn moment. My parents wouldn't
let me go to NYU, and I so badly wanted
to be in New York. And I eventually went back
to work for the NBA for a summer and that
song was out. So that was like the gem. So
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it reminds me. I like songs that take me back
to a certain place in time, and that reminds me
of summer in New York.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Would you ever go back to New York.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
For the right job. Maybe I think my husband would
have a huge fit. We already moved from Miami to
LA If we moved to New York, he might have
another issue. You know what's funny, I didn't listen to
paper Planes during quarantine. Really, I was in the podcast.
That's all I would listen to during quarantine. And I
would listen to podcasts about reality TV shows. Not the Batchelor,
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but reality TV shows. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Yeah, I think it's when podcasts started to really blow up,
Like that's when I started listening to podcasts. We didn't
even have one then. But I think podcasts are cool.
I think it's a little switch up. Sometimes you get
tired of your same old music, so you just flip
on a podcast and you're just chilling.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Because you feel like friends. Yeah you know what I mean,
Like we just met, but I've talked to you guys
all day. I felt you know, That's that's the beauty
of podcasting. Yeah, there's a comfort there.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, you feel kind of connected to the person or
to the host that's in it.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
So you actually did have an unfortunate burrmama at twelve
weeks old. You did almost lose your life, That is true.
So what happened, that's true.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I well, I did not know that story until late twenties.
My aunt one time just came to me and said,
you know, you almost didn't make it right. I mean, like, who,
that's just that's like my family. I'm like, who walks
into a room and just says that. But I think
her point was kind of like I always knew that
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you were going to do something special, because I remember
that moment. So my mom was twelve weeks pregnant and
she was at a wedding and she was standing up
and she was about to pass out, and my grandmother
saw her and like sat her down. She ended up
going to the doctor and she was spotting with me
and they were going to put her on bed rest
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because they were afraid that she was going to lose me. So, yeah,
that was that moment, and you're right, yes, that was
another burn moment. And it's it's why my mom never
shared that story to me, and I asked her why
and she just was kind of like, I don't know,
I don't know if it was uncomfortable for her to
talk about or what. But I really appreciated my aunt
telling me that story because I never knew it, and
she's right, you know, I almost I almost wasn't here
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and maybe you know that it makes you think about
your purpose in life. So yeah, she's she saw it
at a young age, and I mean she saw it
at that moment and then she shared it with me
late in my twenties.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
And think about all the people who you've influenced so
far in your life. So we're super faithful people, and
God gave you a chance and he saw something in you,
and that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
It's almost thank you. It's almost it's weird to think
think about that, to think that you have influence on
other people or because you're just doing what you feel
compelled to do. You know, at the end of the day,
I want to look at myself in the mirror and
know that I'm doing things like that, I'm representing myself
the right way. And so it's it's just when people
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do come up to me and they say like, oh,
you know, thank you for this or whatever, it always
makes me I feel so weird, like I'm just being me.
I feel like I'm just stepping into my purpose or
doing what I'm called to do, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
But that's what people love.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
People love real people and that they're going to share
like their real life and especially like being like a
celebrity and higher up. People always think you're on a pedestal,
but you go through the same thing every single day
that the average person goes through, and so it's good
to talk about that.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
And that's kind of what we do.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
It's like everyone goes through burn moments, so talk about them,
get over them.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Mm hmm. And that's kind of what I like about
our podcast is like we don't whenever we like do
have someone who're just not like, oh, what is the
like plane in the NBA or what is it like
playing NFL? We want to know, like what got you there?
Because everyone has tough times in their life, whether they
know it or not. And that's what I love about
doing these podcasts.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Well, and the person sitting in this chair, I know
appreciates that that you want to get to know them
on a deeper level. I mean, I feel like I'm
in therapy a little bit. I'm not gonna lie. I'm
kind of like, you're right, that was a burn moment
and that was and yeah, I learned this from it.
I'm going to have a great drive on the way.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Back with your therapeutic session right.
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of them, so are a little bit more lighter. It
stands for ridiculous you. Being on reality shows, there's probably
a million ridiculous burn moments that you've encountered, whether it
been like a fan, a see you a question, or
you got this message. So are there any kind of
funny stories that you could share with us.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I'm trying to think of a funny, ridiculous story on
or The Bachelor or The Bachelorette. It's so I have
Being on the Bachelor was one of the most fun
moments of my life, just because it was like living
in a sorority house and I thought I wasn't gonna
have any friends, and I walked away with the best friend.
As a matter of fact, every single time we had
(35:28):
a rose ceremony and someone would go home, I would cry.
I would bawl, and the Bachelor eventually was like, are
you here for them or are you here for me? I
was like, I just miss my girls, like we're just
having such a good time. I'm trying to think. There's
so many ridiculous moments.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
It could be outside of the show too, doesn't have
to be within the show. Maybe after or before you
went on the show, you kind of had a ridiculous moment.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I'll tell you a ridiculous moment recently that happened to
me on a red carpet for interviewing because I pride
myself in being so prepared. And then I know, you know,
like this. I was on the American Idol carpet, right.
I don't really watch the show, and they had me
covering the carpet. But I was like, oh god, this
will be fine. You know, I watched the second half
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of the show. I'll be good and so, and I
used to love the show. I just don't watch it anymore.
So I'm on the carpet interviewing people and this guy's
coming up and I'm like, I don't remember him being
in the top eight. I'm like, who is this person?
I don't recognize? And I'm like, oh, well, maybe I
just missed their performance or something. So he walks up
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to me and I was like, so tonight was exciting.
How does it feel to make it into the top eight?
And he was like, I want American Idol two years ago?
And I was like, almost like I performed, I performed today.
He opened up the show pretty much. I was so embarrassed.
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I had to ask him his name. I had to
ask him about the song. I'm like, oh, so, what
are you doing now? He's like, oh, I just released
a record, and I was like, well, I will go
and download it immediately as soon as I leave this
most embarrassing moment on the carpet. He won, not a contestant,
he won two years ago. I probably he took it.
He was a champ about it, but I'm sure he
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was kind of like wow, nobody.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Because then you get like all hot and like red
and you're like, oh no, Like what do I say?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
What do I say?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
You know that song that's on like social media? I
want to go home?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Oh yeah, that was me.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I get me out of here immediately, and I'm going
to get fired. I did that once before too. I
was I was interviewing Chris Pine, and I do not
know Star Wars and Star Trek and he's in Star
Trek and I asked him, so everybody wants to know
when he when's the next Star Wars movie coming out?
And he just looked at me, but then he started
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answering the question. And then I go wait, wait, wait,
Star Trek and he's like, no about Star Wars, and
I was like, well, this will be my last interview
for Extra.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Then you think you're all done, and it's just like, no,
I didn't mean too but but I also saw that
you thought unicorns walk the earth. That's a ridiculous moment.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yes, I try not to bring that up. Maybe I
just leave too long in life, I mean, or too
late in life. I should say I thought unicorns were extinct.
I thought that they walked the earth like dinosaurs. And
I don't know when I it was definitely in my twenties,
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but I can't. I think the person was like, you're kidding, right,
and I'm like, no, you know, like they're no longer
with us? No, no, they never were here.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Did you did you have like a big obsession whenever
you're young with unicorns?
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I loved my little pony, so yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure,
and care bears, but I knew that they weren't real,
but for some reason I thought unicorns. I guess I
really wanted them to.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
That'd be funny though, if you just one day walked
out of your door and you just saw unicorn, you
probably I told you, I told.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
You, I knew it.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Can't you get like ponies though? Aren't ponies like a
real like little horses?
Speaker 1 (39:18):
And I guess I could put.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
You get a little like you know, like those birthday
parties are they get the little like stick? You can
just put that on.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I want to stay as far away from Unicorn as
I possibly can't.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Right, So it's time to go to en and burn.
Thank you for sharing those ridiculous and it's two parts,
it's now and next. So do you want to share
any burn moments that you that you are going through
right now or next in the future?
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Like how honest do I want to be? I will
just say this, I am in a transition period right
now where I am figuring out I know what my
word and so I want to be in places that
also recognize that at the same time. So I'm in
a transition period. I'm in a little bit of a
(40:07):
crossroads where I'm leaving one opportunity and or transitioning out
of one opportunity to find what's next. Because I always
say that whatever I want to do, I want to
do it. That's something that's meaningful for me. Like when
I did the MTV show Ghosted, and everyone's like, oh,
you just did a show on Ghosted. No, I had, Well,
it was another burn. I really had a lot of
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burn experience. I was ghosted by someone before that was
a term. This was before there was Instagram, Twitter, and
it was a devastating experience. I really like this guy.
He just changed. As I called him one day, his
number had changed. We had known each other for years,
we dated for a couple of years, and so I
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did the MTV show Ghosted because I know what that
feeling's like. I remember that time in my life and
I wanted to help people go through that. So everything
I do, I feel like has a purpose passion, and
so if I don't feel that I'm getting that in
what I'm doing, then I want to remove myself for
it from it and look for that next thing. So
without being.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Detail, that's what I say, Like that I feel like
you're always just going after something and you're not scared
of regrets or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, it was Stephen A. Smith, who I consider a
mentor now, which is wild to me. You know, I
went from sitting on a couch for saying I want
to be a part of that show too. Now that's
somebody I could pick up the phone and call for advice.
But he said something about like you should never feel
comfortable with all the jobs that he has and all
(41:36):
the opportunities that he's given. He says he never feels comfortable.
He's never complacent. He always is looking for the next thing,
always trying to create and I and I that always
resonated with me because you because he's a guy who
could just totally be chilled with what he has and
he's never satisfied and that, I mean, that's a good end,
bad thing. But yeah, that's that's why I always keep going.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Did talk to Stephen A to this day still? Or? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:01):
He was just on our podcast and he I mean,
I don't talk to something like often often, but I
can always hit him up, and I asked him to
come on the podcast. He came on the podcast because
he and my co host kind of have a little
beef and in their opinions about Colin Kaepernick, and so
they hashed it out and it was really great. But
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he like, I can always just say like, hey, I
need advice on on this. I need you know, what
would you do in this situation? And as busy as
he is, he always responds.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Wow, that's so cool. Speak. Did you tell did you
guys talk about the Cowboys on there? Again?
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I think I mentioned it briefly, but I didn't want
to get them all riled up. Washington, y'all are struggling.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Tell me about it.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Can I just say this, I would rather just be
known like the expectations are low, rather than with the Cowboys,
where we're like every year is our year, we almost
make it, or we win that one playoff game. Yeah,
and they give us false hope.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
No, it's always the forty nine ers two in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Last couple of years.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
I think Dak might be on his last straw. Maybe
I'm not mad at it.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
I mean, you.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
Guys, Zeke gone gone, which is good better running back,
so you want to start. I don't know why they
haven't started him for the last three years.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
I know, I mean, I kind of liked that they
were using them both, but we can't afford to keep both,
so yeah, it's gotta go.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
But Zeke's first year in the NFL was something insane.
He was on my fantasy football team and so I
always remember that one.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
But then he was never back on it because he
rushed for like two yards.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Again, we had to bench him the next season in contract.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Ever since he got the contract, it hasn't been he
got comfortable.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
He got comfortable, he didn't stay uncomfortable throughout the season.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Speaking of football, you do own We'll part own a
football team too as well.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, fan controlled football. So it's really fun because the
whole concept of it is when you're sitting on the
couch and you're watching a game and you're like, I
would have called a better play than that. I would
have done this. In fan controlled football, you can do that.
You do it on the app. You call plays, and
whichever play gets the you know, the most votes, then
that's the play that they call on the team. So
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it's really fun. It kind of takes East sports and
traditional sports and puts them together. The games are played
in an arena. It's very fun in Atlanta, and players
that aren't in the NFL have come to join teams
like Johnny Manziel, Josh Gordon was in it for a bit,
t O tell Owen Senate. So it's really fun. And
like the teams are owned by like Drew Ski's a
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team owner on my but he's a team on our mind.
Quevo owns a team like it's wow, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Three years, it's only been going for three years.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Oh wow, how hard is it owning this team or
running it? I guess Oh no, I don't run it.
I'm just I'm like a quiet So you get that.
You got that? Nice job?
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yes, yes, mos participate, fan out, no burn moments. We
actually won the first year.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
We got to a lot of games.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Then I tried to It's in Atlanta, so it's hard,
but I went. I went last season to one that'd
be fun.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Call some one new head coach right here. Now I'm
jacking that would be that would be brutal head coach
of a football team. Can even imagine that? So what's
the team's name?
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Drewski changed our team name. So first we were wild
Aces and then there were four teams and then league
expand its another eight and it's he has this whole
thing which should have been this, should have been like
he has a record company that's for fun like should
have been Records. So he changed our name because it
got the most votes to should have been Stars.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Okay, just like the Dallas Stars.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, I'd rather have just starts.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
So those are some barre moument's going on right now.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
But in the future, do you have any coo up
and coming projects or something that you could share with us.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Well, fingers crossed. I just auditioned for something, so hopefully
I get that and that'll be a new show where
totally fits into the passion purpose thing that I was
talking about before, and it's about helping people. So hopefully
that comes to fruition. But right now I'm just Oh,
(46:28):
I would love my fiction novel that we talked about,
Real Love, which explores the what if I had said no,
I would say I. It's fiction the protagonist Maya if
I had said no on The Bachelor. It kind of
explores that world. I'm working on possibly turning that into
a movie or a TV series. Got and then I'm
really stepping into this create So there's a couple of
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things that I want to do in the true crime
space because that taps into my legal background. I'm kind
of wanting to get back into sports, but I don't
know if I can do all these things put all
these things on my plate, and I just have some
other ideas that I'm trying to flesh out now. But
I'm in a good space where I have more time
and more flexibility to really sit back and say, Okay,
(47:12):
this is what you want to do, let's work on this.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
I always love what you say. You always kind of
look at the clock and you're like, Oh, it's eleven
thirty on a Saturday. What would I be doing right
now if I didn't take that leap of faith and
do that show or do what your calling is.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Yeah, and that's really why my book of essays. I
did it because you know, when you're on reality TV,
people tell your story for you, and it's I wanted
to tell my story in my way, and I wanted
to chop it up with essays. So it's like you
can read it at certain times, you could always go
back to it, but I wrote it for that person
who is at that crossroads in their life or in
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their relationship or in their career or in their friendship,
whatever it may be that you say, I'm going to
take a risk. I'm going to take the leap of faith.
What's on the other side of the rainbow? What's you know?
Fear controlled me and I didn't realize that's specifically what
it was. For such a long time. I was so
scared to disappoint my friends, or my family or my job,
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rather than boring about disappointing myself. And so that's who
I wrote that book for. So I'm really glad that
you brought that up.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
YEA to write a novel, well.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
I had help, and I am very open about that.
Like ghostwriters, but I make them public. I always say
who they are because I also don't like to make
it seem like I can do everything. I can't. I
have too much on my plate. So I had help
doing it. So that really sped up the process. I
actually pitched my idea for the novel at the same
(48:43):
time for my memoir, so I had this idea, so
that kind of I started working on my memoir in
twenty twenty, and the book, the fiction book came out
in twenty this year. Gosh, the beginning of this year.
It came out this year, so it really took like
three years to write.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Are you thinking about a second one?
Speaker 1 (49:01):
I would love to. I just don't have the time
because I think the way that it's set up, the
characters can well, you don't really know how it ends.
It's kind of up to the reader to decide, and
so I think you could explore that. I think there
are other characters you could explore. That's why I would
love for this to be a TV show. I think
there are a lot of places this could go.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
You should make it a TV show.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Well, I hope, so we'll see in the future.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
I kind of do want to touch on one thing
because at the beginning of your life, you did follow
your dad because he was a judge and you actually
were attorney. What type of attorney or lawyer were you?
Speaker 1 (49:33):
So I did civil defense litigation, That's what I ended
up doing when I left. When I started out, I
was doing municipal law, so I was doing jury trials
for traffic tickets. Believe it or not, people excuse me.
People go to trial who we're running a stop light speeding.
It's but it was great practice for me because the
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stakes are so low. But it's wild what people do
in regards to that. So I start started off doing that,
and then I moved to insurance defense, and then I
moved to civil defense litigation where I was doing premise liability.
So I had Walmart as a client. And when I
tell you the most wild things happened at Walmart, you
wouldn't believe. I would watch footage of someone getting ice
(50:18):
out of a machine, looking around, throwing the ice on
the floor, and then slipping and falling like the case
I had. We had a case where someone walked in
put super glue on a toilet seat and then a
customer came and sat on that toilet seat and got stuck.
I am not kidding things. You wouldn't believe what happens.
(50:40):
I should make a show off of this. It was
such a good make this but it was. It was
fun because a lot of times, like civil law is
not as interesting, but this area was like really really
fun to do. Or when the criminal mixed with the civil.
I had a really difficult case one time. That's those
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are when those cases are more interesting.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
What was that case? The difficult case?
Speaker 1 (51:07):
It was? It was difficult because it was emotional. Long
story short. Two women were they were a couple and
a guy was watching them through the window. He was
visiting somebody else at an apartment complex, watching them through
the window. When they went to sleep, he came in
through a window and that window is what was that issue.
(51:27):
And he beat one of them up very badly, I
mean like broken face, Like her face was paralyzed on
one side. And then he took and like made them
do things to each other. Then he took the id
and he was like, I know where you live. Two
days later he's like, don't call the police. Two days later,
the police caught him. He went to jail for fifty
(51:47):
years for what he did, twenty five for each of
the women. The women then suit the apartment complex, who
we represented, because they said the apartment complex didn't properly
fix the window, and you know, we believed that they did,
and you know, we argued the case. And I actually
had this case while I was on the Bachelor. So
(52:08):
every Monday night that the show was airing and I
was in trial, and I actually left trial to go
fly to Jimmy Kimmel to announce that I was going
to be the Bachelorette. And the jury had the case
at that moment. So when I came back, the judge
was very upset because she was like, why didn't you
tell everybody that you were the bachelorette? And you don't
do that. You just say I'm Rachel lindsay do you
(52:30):
know who I am? And they'll say no, and then
you move. She's like, well, they can't stop talking about
it now. It didn't help us. We ended up losing
the case because even though by law we were proving
our case, they couldn't get past the emotional like the
testimony was so tough from the women. They were never
the same after that. It affected their relationship, It affected
their relationship with their children. It was just really, really
(52:51):
tough and a jury couldn't get past that. So they
ended up winning money. We appealed it, their attorney fought
it or tried to fight it, and they ended up
getting nothing. At the end of the day, it went
up the change and they ended up getting nothing instead
of taking the settlement that we were trying to offer.
So it was a tough case, interesting but tough.
Speaker 3 (53:08):
How long did it take?
Speaker 1 (53:10):
The trial was about two weeks.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Oh wow, I was expecting like a couple of gets
all months.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
No, no, no, No, it's rare that trials go that long.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
Yeah, I guess I don't really say. Too many trials
go and people.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Don't go to trial anymore. It's too.
Speaker 4 (53:25):
So being a lawyer. Do you think you'd ever get
into sports agency or sports management?
Speaker 1 (53:29):
It's funny you asked that. I thought that's what I
wanted to be. So when I went I went into
college as a government major, hated it, thought it was
so boring. I found sports management through talking to people.
I switched to that and then I thought, this is
what I'm gonna do. I'm still going to go to
law school. I'm going to be an agent. I worked
for an agency and I thought, no, this is not
(53:51):
for me. It was, and maybe it was the job
that I had, but the I felt like I was
babysitting athletes more than you know. I wasn't a lawyer,
so I wasn't in there negotiating or anything. But I
just was like, I don't like this, this isn't for me.
And just the wheeling and dealing of it all. I thought,
I'm glad I had that internship because I was like, this,
(54:11):
world's no. I could be a sports lawyer, but not
an agent.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
I'm an agent. It seems like a tough job.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
You're always just boom boom boom boom boom with always
on little problems that is your job to fix.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
Yeah yeah, I mean they would call you for, you know,
a card to pick up at the airport, to calendar.
So you are like an assistant, a manager, an agent.
And I thought, this is not for me.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
Literally, and you're like three weeks ahead because this person
doing this in six days, this person doing this in
twelve days. Oh, I would lose brain cells if I Yeah,
that's not meant for me. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (54:43):
Well all right, Rachel, Well thank you for coming on.
You just spelt burning your life. So tell the audience
where they can find you, Instagram, your books, Just let
them know.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
Yes, you could find me on all social media platforms
at the th Rach Lindsay and a Twitter, TikTok, you
know I hate doing TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, it's all the same.
You can get my book wherever books are sold, my
memoir Miss Me with That, or my novel Real Love.
(55:13):
You can listen to Higher Learning. New episodes drop every
Tuesday and Friday. And then I have a reality TV
podcast called Morley corrupt that drops every Friday. I can't
get away from it as well. And then yeah, that's
pretty much it cool.
Speaker 3 (55:29):
You heard her, Go give her some love, go check
out all the things, and her dogs check out all
the things. And as Rachel has a gift for coming
on the podcast, you will be getting the black Label
Edition Burn Factory.
Speaker 4 (55:45):
Yes, so actually you have to be a guest on
the podcast to get the black version.
Speaker 3 (55:51):
Only guests get the black Label edition.
Speaker 4 (55:53):
Excuse rare, but that's going to do it for this
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Speaker 3 (56:06):
And always please visit my foundation as well, the Priest
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Speaker 2 (56:17):
See you guys for the next video.
Speaker 4 (56:19):
Peace
Welcome to The Burn Factory Podcast with Priest and Phoenix Rivera.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Listen as the voice.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Interview the biggest names in sports and entertainment. The Burn
Factory starts.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Now what is up? Guys?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Welcome back to another episode of The Burn Factory Podcast.
I'm your host Priest, joining by my co host, my brother,
the one and only Phoenix say what's up to the camera?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
That's up, y'all.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
This is called the Burn Factory for a reason. I
was literally caught on fire, fifty percent chance to survive,
but through that started this podcast because I believe every
person out there on this planet goes through a burn
moment somewhere in their life.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
You heard pre say a burn moment. So a burn
moment is a super hard time in your life that
you just have to fight to get through to be
where you are today. And me and Priest believe that
every single person on this earth go through burn moments
every single day that truly build them to who they are.
But Priest, what an amazing guest we have today. I'm
super excited for this episode. Our guest. You may have
(01:04):
seen her on the show The Bachelor Ete. She's the
host of the Higher Learning podcast She has just launched
her first fiction book called Real Love. She also has
an autobiography called Miss Me. And she's a huge sports
fan and it pains me to say that she is
a Dallas Cowboys fan. But she also is the part
(01:26):
owner and a fan controlled football league. And lastly, she's
all about spreading love and positivity. So please welcome Rachel Lindsey.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Thank you guys so much, ed, thank you for letting
me have my dogs.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Of course we got to say welcome to the burn
Factory to the dogs too.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
We are all excited to be here. Thank you so
much for having me.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Of course, thank you joining us. So I got to
break the ice right here.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Okay, you got.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Tattooed live on stage during New York Fashion Week.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Okay, so Mighty did their research, and trust me, I
got to do my research. Yes I did. This was
a few years back. So my friend Randy Rahm, she's
a fashion designer and she actually designs all the gowns
that you see on the Bachelor Bachelorette and so she's
been doing it for years. So she and I have
become really good friends. And she's like, listen, I have
(02:20):
this great idea where I'm going to make these dresses
that look like they're tattooed on you, and I'd love
to do a tattoo on someone on stage. And I
was like, sure, I'll do it. I'm in the market
for a new tattoo. And so I got this arrow
tattoo that much to the disappointment of my parents. Still
I'm thirty eight and they still think that they can
(02:41):
tell me what to do. But it's an arrow and
there's a break in it, and so it's I look
at it as a reminder to move forward, and even
if like the path is broken, it's just to keep
moving forward. That's what that one is. And then the
other one is here and it says free spirit. That's
a little I'm like a shout out to my parents.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
They didn't want you to get tattoos.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Oh my gosh, my parents cannot stand that I have tattoos,
that I have piercings. I come from a strict household
and I'm a middle child, so you know, I kind
of do what I want.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Did they hurt?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
This one hurts so bad on the inside of my arm.
I had always heard that. I mean, I have tattoos
on like my rib on the back of my neck.
This one. I can't even explain the pain to you.
But I had to, like, you know, be tough because
it's fashion week and you know, I'm all these beautiful
models walking around me, so I had to look graceful
while I was getting it.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
So you got both done during fashion week? Oh wow,
in one sitting, in.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
One sitting, and now I have a story to tell.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Now's a good story to tell. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I've been thinking about getting a tattoo there though I
have just one on my tricep. It's actually the date
that he was burned. But eventually I kind of want
to do a full sleeve. Maybe, I don't know, something
to think about.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
I love a sleeve.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So do tattoos really hurt or they just.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It depends where you get it. This one nothing inside
of my arm, yes, rib cage, yes, when it hits
the ball. You can hear it hitting the ball. So
it's like, nope, not my ribs and no, I really
sees it. Yeah, don't do it there.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
The ribs are a tough part. Yeah, I don't think
I can ever go in there.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I want to get one on my calf though, one day.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I don't know about that. I don't know if that
hurts or not.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Oh you don't no, no, no, no no, would you ever
do like do you have any lower body?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
No, no lower body, just have your body. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Because of what I do, I also have to watch
where I get tattoos. I would probably have a sleeve,
but because I'm on TV, it's like I can only
do so much without you know, it being taboo.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, sure, what made you want to get that idea?
To get the tattoo right there and move forward as
an era?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
So funny enough, I thought I came up with this
on my own, and I think I kind of did.
But then I was talking to a friend and she
was like, did you copy that tattoo for me? I
didn't even know. She has a tattoo more in the center,
but on her forearm. It doesn't have a break in
the arrow, but she has an arrow, and I guess
I subconsciously took that in and I was like, I
want an arrow as well, but want I like my
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tattoos to have a reminder, like I have a tattoo
here and it's a Bible verse, but it pretty much
means mind over matter, So I like to look at
my tattoos as a message. So that's kind of where
that one came from.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Oh that's super cool. But so on this podcast, we
do use their acronym burn. So each letter is a
different time in your life that you kind of went through.
So starting with B B stands for a beginning. So
take us back to your childhood growing up. Was there
any burn moments that you just had to get through
they could share with us.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You know, well, I already told you I grew up
in a strict household, so a very religious family, pragmatic family.
But I had like a really fun childhood. I wouldn't
say I had a huge burn moment, but I think
for me, I had to overcome like being the perfect
child doing what I was always told to do, kind
(06:00):
of being on like walking on that path of what
my parents wanted me to do versus what I wanted
to do. And that was a big struggle for me
because I being a middle child as well. There's the
rebellious side, but there's also the side of you want
to please everyone, and so I, even without realizing that
that's what I was doing, I was doing it. And
it took me really until my thirties for me to
(06:24):
figure out, Okay, now you've got to start living the
life that you wanted to. But it's for me growing up,
It wasn't. Yeah, there wasn't like a particular moment. It's
just as I reflect and I look back, and you
mentioned my memoir, which is a book of essays I
talk about that. I talk about growing up and doing
what I thought would please my parents rather than what
I wanted to do for myself. I mean, even at
(06:45):
seven years old, I was like, I'm going to be
a lawyer because I'm going to be just like my
father and I'm going to make him happy and I'm
gonna do and I do look up to my dad,
and my dad is a huge role model for me.
But I wanted to be a lawyer like him, not
a lawyer like I wanted to be. So little things
like that. It took me a long time in therapy
to realize that I have to find my own way.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Well, was kind of that moment that shifted that You're like,
you know what, I want to do my own thing
and kind of branch off from what my parents want
me to do.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Well. The reality TV show, to be honest with you,
the Reality TV show was a moment, and I guess
I was burned in life in regards to I was
in a relationship for five years and there were a
lot of ups and downs in this relationship, but and
(07:38):
it was one of those things where I knew that
it was wrong, I knew that I shouldn't be in it,
but I had put so much of myself and time
into this. Our lives were intertwined, our families were intertwined,
and I just thought, like, I'm not going to quit
on this, I'm going to go all the way in.
And then he burned me, you know it just it
(08:02):
never amounted to what it was supposed to be. And
really he really did me wrong at the end of
the day. And so it was it was a kind
of that reflection where I was in the career that
I wanted, but I didn't feel fulfilled. I was in
the relationship that I wanted, but it wasn't giving me
what I wanted. So here I am doing all the
things that I said I was going to do, and
(08:24):
none of it is fulfilling to me, none of it
is making me happy. And then I get a knock
on the door one day where my coworkers were like, Hey,
their Bachelor tryouts down the street. You should do it.
So I'm like, guys, I don't even watch that show,
and they're like, no, Rachel, we think that you would
be great on it. We think that you would go far.
(08:44):
And it was kind of one of those moments where
I was like, listen, what I'm doing isn't working for me.
I'm doing everything I said, I'm doing what my parents
want me to do. I'm making everyone else happy but myself.
So I'm gonna I'm just gonna go to the tryout.
And that was kind of the moment where I actually
chose myself and the rest is kind of history. I
would not suggest that that's what you do. Don't go
(09:06):
on reality TV to change your circumstances, But for me,
that was kind of me saying, you know what I'm
gonna I'm.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Gonna do this for me. Would you consider the Bachelor
a good burn moment for you? Well?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Which part?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Let's see it.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I You know, a lot of people ask me they
think because I've been very outspoken about the Bachelor and
certain things that have happened, They've said to me, you know,
do you hate that you went on The Bachelor? Do
you hate the franchise, And my answer to that is
always no. I feel like I have a love hate
relationship with it because it gave me so much and
it changed my life completely. But you know when you
(09:47):
have a friend or a family member and you want
you love them so much, you want them to be
their best all the time. And so for me, it's like,
I love the show and I love what it gave me,
but I want to see it be the best that
it can be. I want to see it do that,
and so that's why I hold it accountable by calling
it out about hey, you need to be more inclusive
and there needs to be more diversity. And that's burned
(10:11):
me a lot, to be honest with you, because people
aren't happy that I speak out about a reality TV show.
They say, oh, this is our escape. Why are you
trying to change it? It's been working for this long
and so people either really like me from the show
or they really hate me from the show. So it
has burned me in some ways. I've lost friendships. I
had great friends with people on the show. I had
(10:33):
a decent relationship with the host of the show before
we had the interview. That kind of burned everything honest,
But there definitely have been burn moments, but I also
want to say that there weren't because it's really changed
so much for me.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
And I was actually reading in your book you talked
about how you loved reality TV but you never wanted
to do it. So was it hard to get yourself
to kind of do the show or did it just
come so fast that you were like.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Al just you know what. By the time I made
the decision to be a part of the show, I
kind of was like, I'm just going to let myself
fall into this and enjoy this experience for what it is.
That first night when I was on the show, I
was so skeptical because I had heard I didn't watch it,
but I had heard all these horror stories of people
getting drunk or you know, people talking too much. So
(11:21):
I had like a cup of coffee. I think I
had one glass of wine a cup of coffee, and
I was just looking at everyone like this, like, who's
going to try to manipulate me? Who's going to try
to take advantage of me? And then that first night
was so great. I met friends that I still have
to this day. Wow, the guy who was the Bachelor
gave me the first rose, and so that I was like,
oh my gosh, maybe I can fall in love, maybe
(11:42):
I can find my person. So I kind of let
myself go and just decided to fully immerse myself in
the experience rather than paying attention to the cameras or
trying to worry about what they're trying to get out
of me. I just let it be what it is.
But I do love reality TV. And yes, I'd never
thought that I would be the one to go on
(12:03):
the show, and I never want to go on another show.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
No, you're done.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I would host. I don't think. I never say never,
but I don't think I could do TV again.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah, so you do host though, right, Yeah, how do
you like that?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I love hosting because I love connecting with people. It's
something that I never thought that I would do. You know,
I come from a legal background, and yes, I have
to do I have communication skills because I you know,
I would have to talk to a jury or in
front of a judge, and you know, I would do
trials and I loved that type of communication. But when
I started doing the show and I started doing media,
(12:39):
and I would sit down and I would do these interviews.
I realized I loved this type of connection. I loved
telling stories. I loved, you know, talking to people and
learning more about them. And so that's what hosting gives me.
It gives me the opportunity to get to know someone,
but tell their story and connect with them on a
different level. I love it.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Speaking of hosting, you do host your podcast Higher Learning?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
What is that like?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I love podcasting.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
For you guys, isn't it the most liberating experience? I
thought TV was always it. I was like, I want
to be on TV. Then when I started doing podcasting,
I thought, I just feel so free. I'm not beholden
to any network. We you know, produce our own content.
We pick our topics, we create a community, and that's
that's probably the best part of it all. And my
(13:28):
podcast host is wild. I do it with a guy
named Van Lathan and he is so unpredictable. So it's
kind of like a good cop, bad cop, hot and cold.
We're like brothers and brother and sister, and I feel
like people. That's the what they get from us is
like we're family, and you feel like you're at the
dinner table arguing with your family or listening to a
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conversation every time you listen to our podcast, and I
love it. We cover everything from current affairs to politics,
sports to entertainment. This is such a good time. How
long have you had it for three years?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
So we start, Thank you. We started the podcast. It
was supposed to actually start in March twenty twenty and
COVID hit and so I was living in Miami at
the time. He was in LA and he's very open
about his mental health, and so when COVID happened and
California was on complete lockdown, all the things that gave
him a relief, that helped him cope with his mental
(14:24):
health were taken away from him. So he really went
into a tailspin. And he's very open about that, like
I'm not you know, telling this business or anything. And
so it postponed our podcast till May. So we started
in May twenty twenty, and so much was happening in
the country in May twenty twenty. It was back to
back to back every week, and so we changed kind
(14:46):
of the focus of our podcast to reflect what was
happening in the world. And it was a place where
we would laugh, we would cry, we would get angry,
we would question things because that's what was happening in
the world. It was just like a really scary time
and that kind of changed the whole focus of the podcast,
and you know, it's what we have today. We've lightened
it up so heavy at times that we were like, Okay,
(15:10):
we got to change the focus of the podcast because
it's becoming too much for us.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah, but that's what people want to hear though. Whenever
covid was a thing, go online and hear people because
everything was just so virtual and it's just like what's
there to do and.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Can be so real in a podcast too, Like you
can just speak your mind. It's like you said, it's freeing.
You don't have to follow a script, you don't have
to follow what other people are saying. It's just us
three talking and kind of having a good time. That's
why I enjoyed most of it. Yeah, so you were
actually a host of a radio show as well, a
sports radio show, and so kind of talk about that
time in radio because that's obviously something that we might
(15:45):
want to venture off into.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Really. Yeah, radio is so fun. Okay, So this is
kind of a burn moment too. When I came off
the Bachelor Bachelorette. I was I was feeling myself just
a little bit, and I thought, Oh, okay, this is it.
This is it for me. You know, I'm going to
get to do all the things I want. So ESPN
calls me and I'm like, oh, finally, you know, I'm
(16:08):
gonna get my dream job. They see that I'm majored
in sports management, I focused in sports law, and I'm like,
I'm going to Bristol. This has always been a dream
of mine to go to Bristol, Connecticut. So I get there,
I'm walking on campus. I'm seeing all these people that
I admire so much in the sports world. I'm seeing
I'm seeing writers, I'm seeing, you know, people behind the scenes.
(16:30):
I'm like a kid in a candy store. This is
Disney World for me. And so I'm on I'm walking through.
I'm meeting with the guy who's the head of talent,
and so I'm sitting there talking to him and I'm
thinking they're interviewing me for a job, and they actually
are talking to me about a new show that they're
about to do, which turns out to be Greeny show
(16:51):
Get Up, but it wasn't Get Up at the time.
So they were thinking about venturing out into people who
weren't known into the sports world because they wanted to
bring in different audience. So I was like, Oh, my gosh,
they're going to hire me. This is it. And then
he kind of I must have said something along those lines,
and he said, no, we're not going to hire you.
(17:13):
You know, a sports audience doesn't know who you are.
They don't know you with sports, and I was crushed,
and he was like, we just wanted to meet you.
We're fans of you on the show. And I thought
in that moment it was a huge blow to me.
It was devastating, but it was the best thing that
could happen to me. I wasn't ready for that type
of job. I wasn't prepared. If I had received that
(17:34):
job on that show, I would have burned myself. I
would have embarrassed myself because I wasn't prepared to be
on a national television show with people who've been in
the sports industry for twenty thirty plus years. That was
not it for me, but it also was that burn
moment for me told me, you're not ready and you
need to go back and start from ground zero and
(17:57):
prove that you can do this job. It was the
best know that I received because I went back and
I thought, Okay, you might know that you're qualified for
certain things, you might know that you have this certain background,
but the rest of the world sees you as the bachelorette.
And so it was a moment for me to reinvent myself.
So I went back. I just started, you know, focusing
(18:18):
on like being a steward of sports, particularly football, basketball.
Those are those are my And then First Take ended
up coming to Dallas, Dallas Cowboys, you know, because stephen A.
Smith has a has a hate. So they come to
the show and they call me because what they did
(18:39):
say is, hey, we'll try to find ways to integrate
you into this world. So they call me and they say, hey,
we're doing a live show. Why don't you come to
First Take. So I'm like, okay, I gotta be ready.
I gotta be ready to go. I gotta be quick
on my feet. I get to the table, I'm sitting
right next to stephen A. Smith. He says something and
I smart off about the Cowboys and he says, oh,
(19:00):
I don't have anything else to say. And then and
I was only on for like three minutes. Well, little
did I know, the guy who runs the show was
watching and he pulled me to the side and says, hey,
what do you want to do? And I said, I
want to do this and he said, listen, a year
from now, I will put you in this spot. And
I stayed in touch with him. I mentored with him.
(19:20):
I started, you know again, I was ready. I was
up up to date on everything, ready when I got
the call a year later, he calls me, puts me
on first take. I was in. I called myself the
C team. The day that I was on was the
day that Lebron announced that he was going from Cleveland
to the Lakers, so everybody was watching. So it was
(19:41):
a sink or swim moment. We lost contact with with
not stephen A. Smith, Oh my gosh, what was Max?
With Max Kellerman? We lost contact so it was just
or no stephen A. Smith. So it was just me
and Max having to go back and forth my first
day on the job, and it was a great moment.
I was ready prepared. And then from that moment they
(20:02):
decided to give me a sports radio show with two
other people Field Yates and Bobby Carpenter, and I again
I was not ready for radio, but I was ready enough,
and so that gave me that experience, and from there
I was able to do an NFL radio show, and
then I did a sports talk radio show, and then
a late night football show, and then from there I
left and went.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
To the ringer. Wow, you took that note and turned
it into something very positive.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
And helped you.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
And I love to talk about that because a lot
of times people see what you're doing now and they
think a lot of people think, oh, she came from
the Bachelor, Bachelorette, she was on ABC and so ESPN
naturally they're all under the same family gave her this job,
and that's really not what happened. I had to take
the time of you know, I was doing like field
reporting I was or sideline reporting. I was doing all
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these different things that I could be ready for the
moment when it came.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Wow, what an incredible beginning today your life, Rachel. It's
time to go to you and burn unfortunate to share
a little unfortunate experience myself. It's the last week of school,
he's already out for somewhere. Science class. Comes walk into
the science class. Teacher says she's gonna be doing a
science experiment that evolves fire, baking, soda, sand, rubbing alcohol.
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Didn't really think too much of it, and she's like,
all right, we need to go outside to do this,
and because we can't do it in a classroom because
of regulations and stuff like that, so she takes us outside.
We sit in like a semi horse shaped circle, if
you know, I'm talking like a U shape, and we're
like good couple feet away, probably like ten feet. And
(21:38):
it wasn't really working this fire experiment she was doing.
And she grabbed rubbing alcohol and dumped it into the flame.
And you never grab and you never dump rubbing alcohol
into the flame because it can burst. So she dumps
it completely burst in my face. I was the only
student that got hurt, and I was immediately rushed to
(21:59):
ice you and I spent a week in the hospital.
I had seven surgeries and I was given a fifty
percent chance to survive. But something stuck out to me
whenever I was in the hospital that gave me the joy,
and it was golf. So I had my dad go
get my putter and I'd put three golf balls into
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a glass jar and I called that my burn moment
and it slowly but surely started putting a smile on
my face. Yes, and if that doesn't happen, I don't
think I'm at where I'm at today. So, and I'm
sure that all in your life you've experienced so many
unfortunate burn moments like being told no and stuff like that.
(22:44):
And is there any other unfortunate burn moments so you
can share?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, thank you for sharing your story. And I know
that you're an inspiration to so many people every single seriously,
every single time that you share. You Know, something that
I don't talk about a lot was really that moment
when I had that interview with Chris Harrison on The
(23:09):
Bachelor because or when I was working for Extra that
was one of the toughest moments for me because it
was dark and it felt very alone and I felt
like it was me against the world. And I know
you wouldn't think that just from an interview about The Bachelor,
(23:29):
but it was such a time, a contentious time in
the country. It still is. But what ended up happening
was that that interview just took on a life of
its own. Where we had the interview, it went viral.
You had people in the Bachelor franchise that were speaking
out and were saying I stand with Rachel, and it
(23:50):
wasn't even necessarily this or that thing. And then it
went on every single media outlet, and then I had
the far right media outlet using it as a topic
because cancel culture was such a big thing, and that's
what it was moving towards. Even though I wasn't really
saying anything, it was taking on a life of its own.
So on social media, I was just getting attacked in
(24:14):
a completely different way than I ever had before. I
you know, like, I did something that I'd never done before.
I completely took shut down my social media because it
was so like all encompassing and it was just so
negative and people had so many things to say about me.
It didn't necessarily know anything about me or understand what
(24:36):
the interview was about or where I was coming from
with it. They just looked at it as that girl
got that guy canceled. And so when I got off
social media, I just disappeared. And the only way that
I was able to get through that was to surround
myself with the people who do know me, the people
that I do trust, my family, my friends, my husband,
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these crazy dolls, and I really just took that time
to reflect because I felt like I was losing myself.
I felt like I was often people ask me, how
do you handle social media? How do you handle when
people come at you? And most of the time, I'm like, listen,
I'm confident. I just moved past it. But that was
a time where the words and the opinions were actually
(25:19):
getting to me in a way that they hadn't before,
and I started to doubt myself and question myself. So
it was completely detaching myself from all of that and
surrounding myself with that trust circle that brought me back
and built me up to the place that I was
again where I felt like I could continue. I was
losing friends over that situation. I was having people who
(25:41):
knew me more so in the Bachelor franchise, who knew
me a certain way to question me. Then it was
also affecting my job because so many people were like, Oh,
was she you know, being malicious in that interview? Is
that the type of host she is? Is that the
type of interview where she is? Was she trickering him?
So it was just a lot but you know, detaching
(26:03):
myself and then you know, again, surrounding myself with those
people built me back up. But yeah, that was a
really that was a really tough time went on. That
went on for a few months.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah. I you're really big on meditation. So is that
where all of meditating started coming into your life?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, you know, I really started it during COVID and
then I got busy. You know, we implemented these practices
during quarantine and then when life starts picking up again,
you you let them go. But I went back to that.
I went back to what I know, so that meditation, yoga.
I'm not a good journal or, but I was, if
that's even a word, but I was. I was journaling
(26:42):
during that time as well. So yeah, all those things
that give me peace or that center me. I like
to say, I went back to how long did.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
It kind of take you to get out?
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Because, like, for his accident, it's been four years now,
but we still kind of suffer from the like the
traumatic stuff of that. So how long did it take
you to come out of that kind of dark place?
Speaker 3 (27:01):
You know?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I would say, I mean, I would say a few months.
After it lasted a few months, I would say it
took me a few months. I still get things here
and there. I still have people question me at times,
but it didn't take as long as I thought. But
I think I was more just surprised how much it
(27:23):
impacted me. And that's why you know when people say
things like you should check on your strong friends, because
a lot of people are like, oh, Rachel strong, She's
got it, But really I was really going through it
at the time. I actually had a breakdown at work.
And I'm like a never cry at work person, and
one little thing happened and I fully broke down at
(27:46):
work and I was like in my office crying, and
that's when I was like, I'm not okay. I'm not okay.
Like the boss had to call me, the host of
extra had to come in and like ask me if
I was okay. And that's when I was like, I'm
not doing what I'm I'm not focusing on myself and
really dealing with what the problem is.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
That's yeah, that's a deep dark time. I think it's
kind of the simplest things in your life that bring
you like the most joy in getting out of certain times,
like for him, who's golf, and for you it's just
being centered around friends. So I think that's a lot
of the things that people can take from this is
just find that little simple thing that can bring you
the most joy and that'll get you out of the
your burn moment.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
And there's the old saying that the people you surround
yourself when you're young are the people that you're going
to be in the future. So always surround yourself with
the good people. And that's right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
So right, oh, go ahead, No, you got I was
just gonna say so, now that you say that, always
check up on your friends.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Is that kind of something that you push forward? Now?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, I try to remember, because I mean it's easy
you think, oh, that person's got it, they're good. But
I try to reflect on where I was in that
moment and how a lot of people assume she's got it,
she's fine, but I really wasn't. So I try to
do that. I try to, yeah, check in on my
friends as well.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Is there one particular person that stands out to you that, yes,
I need to reach out to them all the time,
or that's helped you and during your struggle times.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
I don't know if there's one particular person, but I
feel like I have a circle of people because even
even before that happened. I felt like I kind of
established that during quarantine, especially my friends that you know,
live by themselves or my sister lives by herself in Atlanta,
so that was somebody I was like really worried about
(29:35):
and making sure that she was okay, and you know,
because she really didn't have any a lot of friends
or family around. But yeah, nobody in particular.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
So your favorite song is paper Planes, right, So I'm
assuming you must have been jamming out to some paper
Planes during quarantine to help lift you up.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I feel like that ages me so much. It was
definitely the song in college and and I lived in
New York. That song I always wanted to get back
to New York, probably another burn moment. My parents wouldn't
let me go to NYU, and I so badly wanted
to be in New York. And I eventually went back
to work for the NBA for a summer and that
song was out. So that was like the gem. So
(30:16):
it reminds me. I like songs that take me back
to a certain place in time, and that reminds me
of summer in New York.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Would you ever go back to New York.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
For the right job. Maybe I think my husband would
have a huge fit. We already moved from Miami to
LA If we moved to New York, he might have
another issue. You know what's funny, I didn't listen to
paper Planes during quarantine. Really, I was in the podcast.
That's all I would listen to during quarantine. And I
would listen to podcasts about reality TV shows. Not the Batchelor,
(30:51):
but reality TV shows. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Yeah, I think it's when podcasts started to really blow up,
Like that's when I started listening to podcasts. We didn't
even have one then. But I think podcasts are cool.
I think it's a little switch up. Sometimes you get
tired of your same old music, so you just flip
on a podcast and you're just chilling.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Because you feel like friends. Yeah you know what I mean,
Like we just met, but I've talked to you guys
all day. I felt you know, That's that's the beauty
of podcasting. Yeah, there's a comfort there.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, you feel kind of connected to the person or
to the host that's in it.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
So you actually did have an unfortunate burrmama at twelve
weeks old. You did almost lose your life, That is true.
So what happened, that's true.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I well, I did not know that story until late twenties.
My aunt one time just came to me and said,
you know, you almost didn't make it right. I mean, like, who,
that's just that's like my family. I'm like, who walks
into a room and just says that. But I think
her point was kind of like I always knew that
(31:52):
you were going to do something special, because I remember
that moment. So my mom was twelve weeks pregnant and
she was at a wedding and she was standing up
and she was about to pass out, and my grandmother
saw her and like sat her down. She ended up
going to the doctor and she was spotting with me
and they were going to put her on bed rest
(32:14):
because they were afraid that she was going to lose me. So, yeah,
that was that moment, and you're right, yes, that was
another burn moment. And it's it's why my mom never
shared that story to me, and I asked her why
and she just was kind of like, I don't know,
I don't know if it was uncomfortable for her to
talk about or what. But I really appreciated my aunt
telling me that story because I never knew it, and
she's right, you know, I almost I almost wasn't here
(32:37):
and maybe you know that it makes you think about
your purpose in life. So yeah, she's she saw it
at a young age, and I mean she saw it
at that moment and then she shared it with me
late in my twenties.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
And think about all the people who you've influenced so
far in your life. So we're super faithful people, and
God gave you a chance and he saw something in you,
and that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
It's almost thank you. It's almost it's weird to think
think about that, to think that you have influence on
other people or because you're just doing what you feel
compelled to do. You know, at the end of the day,
I want to look at myself in the mirror and
know that I'm doing things like that, I'm representing myself
the right way. And so it's it's just when people
(33:18):
do come up to me and they say like, oh,
you know, thank you for this or whatever, it always
makes me I feel so weird, like I'm just being me.
I feel like I'm just stepping into my purpose or
doing what I'm called to do, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
But that's what people love.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
People love real people and that they're going to share
like their real life and especially like being like a
celebrity and higher up. People always think you're on a pedestal,
but you go through the same thing every single day
that the average person goes through, and so it's good
to talk about that.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
And that's kind of what we do.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
It's like everyone goes through burn moments, so talk about them,
get over them.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Mm hmm. And that's kind of what I like about
our podcast is like we don't whenever we like do
have someone who're just not like, oh, what is the
like plane in the NBA or what is it like
playing NFL? We want to know, like what got you there?
Because everyone has tough times in their life, whether they
know it or not. And that's what I love about
doing these podcasts.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Well, and the person sitting in this chair, I know
appreciates that that you want to get to know them
on a deeper level. I mean, I feel like I'm
in therapy a little bit. I'm not gonna lie. I'm
kind of like, you're right, that was a burn moment
and that was and yeah, I learned this from it.
I'm going to have a great drive on the way.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Back with your therapeutic session right.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
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of them, so are a little bit more lighter. It
stands for ridiculous you. Being on reality shows, there's probably
a million ridiculous burn moments that you've encountered, whether it
been like a fan, a see you a question, or
you got this message. So are there any kind of
funny stories that you could share with us.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I'm trying to think of a funny, ridiculous story on
or The Bachelor or The Bachelorette. It's so I have
Being on the Bachelor was one of the most fun
moments of my life, just because it was like living
in a sorority house and I thought I wasn't gonna
have any friends, and I walked away with the best friend.
As a matter of fact, every single time we had
(35:28):
a rose ceremony and someone would go home, I would cry.
I would bawl, and the Bachelor eventually was like, are
you here for them or are you here for me? I
was like, I just miss my girls, like we're just
having such a good time. I'm trying to think. There's
so many ridiculous moments.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
It could be outside of the show too, doesn't have
to be within the show. Maybe after or before you
went on the show, you kind of had a ridiculous moment.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I'll tell you a ridiculous moment recently that happened to
me on a red carpet for interviewing because I pride
myself in being so prepared. And then I know, you know,
like this. I was on the American Idol carpet, right.
I don't really watch the show, and they had me
covering the carpet. But I was like, oh god, this
will be fine. You know, I watched the second half
(36:14):
of the show. I'll be good and so, and I
used to love the show. I just don't watch it anymore.
So I'm on the carpet interviewing people and this guy's
coming up and I'm like, I don't remember him being
in the top eight. I'm like, who is this person?
I don't recognize? And I'm like, oh, well, maybe I
just missed their performance or something. So he walks up
(36:35):
to me and I was like, so tonight was exciting.
How does it feel to make it into the top eight?
And he was like, I want American Idol two years ago?
And I was like, almost like I performed, I performed today.
He opened up the show pretty much. I was so embarrassed.
(36:56):
I had to ask him his name. I had to
ask him about the song. I'm like, oh, so, what
are you doing now? He's like, oh, I just released
a record, and I was like, well, I will go
and download it immediately as soon as I leave this
most embarrassing moment on the carpet. He won, not a contestant,
he won two years ago. I probably he took it.
He was a champ about it, but I'm sure he
(37:18):
was kind of like wow, nobody.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Because then you get like all hot and like red
and you're like, oh no, Like what do I say?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
What do I say?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
You know that song that's on like social media? I
want to go home?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Oh yeah, that was me.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
I get me out of here immediately, and I'm going
to get fired. I did that once before too. I
was I was interviewing Chris Pine, and I do not
know Star Wars and Star Trek and he's in Star
Trek and I asked him, so everybody wants to know
when he when's the next Star Wars movie coming out?
And he just looked at me, but then he started
(37:53):
answering the question. And then I go wait, wait, wait,
Star Trek and he's like, no about Star Wars, and
I was like, well, this will be my last interview
for Extra.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Then you think you're all done, and it's just like, no,
I didn't mean too but but I also saw that
you thought unicorns walk the earth. That's a ridiculous moment.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yes, I try not to bring that up. Maybe I
just leave too long in life, I mean, or too
late in life. I should say I thought unicorns were extinct.
I thought that they walked the earth like dinosaurs. And
I don't know when I it was definitely in my twenties,
(38:35):
but I can't. I think the person was like, you're kidding, right,
and I'm like, no, you know, like they're no longer
with us? No, no, they never were here.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Did you did you have like a big obsession whenever
you're young with unicorns?
Speaker 1 (38:48):
I loved my little pony, so yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure,
and care bears, but I knew that they weren't real,
but for some reason I thought unicorns. I guess I
really wanted them to.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
That'd be funny though, if you just one day walked
out of your door and you just saw unicorn, you
probably I told you, I told.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
You, I knew it.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Can't you get like ponies though? Aren't ponies like a
real like little horses?
Speaker 1 (39:18):
And I guess I could put.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
You get a little like you know, like those birthday
parties are they get the little like stick? You can
just put that on.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I want to stay as far away from Unicorn as
I possibly can't.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Right, So it's time to go to en and burn.
Thank you for sharing those ridiculous and it's two parts,
it's now and next. So do you want to share
any burn moments that you that you are going through
right now or next in the future?
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Like how honest do I want to be? I will
just say this, I am in a transition period right
now where I am figuring out I know what my
word and so I want to be in places that
also recognize that at the same time. So I'm in
a transition period. I'm in a little bit of a
(40:07):
crossroads where I'm leaving one opportunity and or transitioning out
of one opportunity to find what's next. Because I always
say that whatever I want to do, I want to
do it. That's something that's meaningful for me. Like when
I did the MTV show Ghosted, and everyone's like, oh,
you just did a show on Ghosted. No, I had, Well,
it was another burn. I really had a lot of
(40:28):
burn experience. I was ghosted by someone before that was
a term. This was before there was Instagram, Twitter, and
it was a devastating experience. I really like this guy.
He just changed. As I called him one day, his
number had changed. We had known each other for years,
we dated for a couple of years, and so I
(40:48):
did the MTV show Ghosted because I know what that
feeling's like. I remember that time in my life and
I wanted to help people go through that. So everything
I do, I feel like has a purpose passion, and
so if I don't feel that I'm getting that in
what I'm doing, then I want to remove myself for
it from it and look for that next thing. So
without being.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Detail, that's what I say, Like that I feel like
you're always just going after something and you're not scared
of regrets or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, it was Stephen A. Smith, who I consider a
mentor now, which is wild to me. You know, I
went from sitting on a couch for saying I want
to be a part of that show too. Now that's
somebody I could pick up the phone and call for advice.
But he said something about like you should never feel
comfortable with all the jobs that he has and all
(41:36):
the opportunities that he's given. He says he never feels comfortable.
He's never complacent. He always is looking for the next thing,
always trying to create and I and I that always
resonated with me because you because he's a guy who
could just totally be chilled with what he has and
he's never satisfied and that, I mean, that's a good end,
bad thing. But yeah, that's that's why I always keep going.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Did talk to Stephen A to this day still? Or? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:01):
He was just on our podcast and he I mean,
I don't talk to something like often often, but I
can always hit him up, and I asked him to
come on the podcast. He came on the podcast because
he and my co host kind of have a little
beef and in their opinions about Colin Kaepernick, and so
they hashed it out and it was really great. But
(42:22):
he like, I can always just say like, hey, I
need advice on on this. I need you know, what
would you do in this situation? And as busy as
he is, he always responds.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Wow, that's so cool. Speak. Did you tell did you
guys talk about the Cowboys on there? Again?
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I think I mentioned it briefly, but I didn't want
to get them all riled up. Washington, y'all are struggling.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Tell me about it.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
Tell me about it.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Can I just say this, I would rather just be
known like the expectations are low, rather than with the Cowboys,
where we're like every year is our year, we almost
make it, or we win that one playoff game. Yeah,
and they give us false hope.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
No, it's always the forty nine ers two in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Last couple of years.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
I think Dak might be on his last straw. Maybe
I'm not mad at it.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
I mean, you.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
Guys, Zeke gone gone, which is good better running back,
so you want to start. I don't know why they
haven't started him for the last three years.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
I know, I mean, I kind of liked that they
were using them both, but we can't afford to keep both,
so yeah, it's gotta go.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
But Zeke's first year in the NFL was something insane.
He was on my fantasy football team and so I
always remember that one.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
But then he was never back on it because he
rushed for like two yards.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Again, we had to bench him the next season in contract.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Ever since he got the contract, it hasn't been he
got comfortable.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
He got comfortable, he didn't stay uncomfortable throughout the season.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Speaking of football, you do own We'll part own a
football team too as well.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, fan controlled football. So it's really fun because the
whole concept of it is when you're sitting on the
couch and you're watching a game and you're like, I
would have called a better play than that. I would
have done this. In fan controlled football, you can do that.
You do it on the app. You call plays, and
whichever play gets the you know, the most votes, then
that's the play that they call on the team. So
(44:15):
it's really fun. It kind of takes East sports and
traditional sports and puts them together. The games are played
in an arena. It's very fun in Atlanta, and players
that aren't in the NFL have come to join teams
like Johnny Manziel, Josh Gordon was in it for a bit,
t O tell Owen Senate. So it's really fun. And
like the teams are owned by like Drew Ski's a
(44:36):
team owner on my but he's a team on our mind.
Quevo owns a team like it's wow, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Three years, it's only been going for three years.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Oh wow, how hard is it owning this team or
running it? I guess Oh no, I don't run it.
I'm just I'm like a quiet So you get that.
You got that? Nice job?
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yes, yes, mos participate, fan out, no burn moments. We
actually won the first year.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
We got to a lot of games.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Then I tried to It's in Atlanta, so it's hard,
but I went. I went last season to one that'd
be fun.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Call some one new head coach right here. Now I'm
jacking that would be that would be brutal head coach
of a football team. Can even imagine that? So what's
the team's name?
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Drewski changed our team name. So first we were wild
Aces and then there were four teams and then league
expand its another eight and it's he has this whole
thing which should have been this, should have been like
he has a record company that's for fun like should
have been Records. So he changed our name because it
got the most votes to should have been Stars.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Okay, just like the Dallas Stars.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, I'd rather have just starts.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
So those are some barre moument's going on right now.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
But in the future, do you have any coo up
and coming projects or something that you could share with us.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Well, fingers crossed. I just auditioned for something, so hopefully
I get that and that'll be a new show where
totally fits into the passion purpose thing that I was
talking about before, and it's about helping people. So hopefully
that comes to fruition. But right now I'm just Oh,
(46:28):
I would love my fiction novel that we talked about,
Real Love, which explores the what if I had said no,
I would say I. It's fiction the protagonist Maya if
I had said no on The Bachelor. It kind of
explores that world. I'm working on possibly turning that into
a movie or a TV series. Got and then I'm
really stepping into this create So there's a couple of
(46:49):
things that I want to do in the true crime
space because that taps into my legal background. I'm kind
of wanting to get back into sports, but I don't
know if I can do all these things put all
these things on my plate, and I just have some
other ideas that I'm trying to flesh out now. But
I'm in a good space where I have more time
and more flexibility to really sit back and say, Okay,
(47:12):
this is what you want to do, let's work on this.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
I always love what you say. You always kind of
look at the clock and you're like, Oh, it's eleven
thirty on a Saturday. What would I be doing right
now if I didn't take that leap of faith and
do that show or do what your calling is.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Yeah, and that's really why my book of essays. I
did it because you know, when you're on reality TV,
people tell your story for you, and it's I wanted
to tell my story in my way, and I wanted
to chop it up with essays. So it's like you
can read it at certain times, you could always go
back to it, but I wrote it for that person
who is at that crossroads in their life or in
(47:49):
their relationship or in their career or in their friendship,
whatever it may be that you say, I'm going to
take a risk. I'm going to take the leap of faith.
What's on the other side of the rainbow? What's you know?
Fear controlled me and I didn't realize that's specifically what
it was. For such a long time. I was so
scared to disappoint my friends, or my family or my job,
(48:11):
rather than boring about disappointing myself. And so that's who
I wrote that book for. So I'm really glad that
you brought that up.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
YEA to write a novel, well.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
I had help, and I am very open about that.
Like ghostwriters, but I make them public. I always say
who they are because I also don't like to make
it seem like I can do everything. I can't. I
have too much on my plate. So I had help
doing it. So that really sped up the process. I
actually pitched my idea for the novel at the same
(48:43):
time for my memoir, so I had this idea, so
that kind of I started working on my memoir in
twenty twenty, and the book, the fiction book came out
in twenty this year. Gosh, the beginning of this year.
It came out this year, so it really took like
three years to write.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Are you thinking about a second one?
Speaker 1 (49:01):
I would love to. I just don't have the time
because I think the way that it's set up, the
characters can well, you don't really know how it ends.
It's kind of up to the reader to decide, and
so I think you could explore that. I think there
are other characters you could explore. That's why I would
love for this to be a TV show. I think
there are a lot of places this could go.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
You should make it a TV show.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Well, I hope, so we'll see in the future.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
I kind of do want to touch on one thing
because at the beginning of your life, you did follow
your dad because he was a judge and you actually
were attorney. What type of attorney or lawyer were you?
Speaker 1 (49:33):
So I did civil defense litigation, That's what I ended
up doing when I left. When I started out, I
was doing municipal law, so I was doing jury trials
for traffic tickets. Believe it or not, people excuse me.
People go to trial who we're running a stop light speeding.
It's but it was great practice for me because the
(49:54):
stakes are so low. But it's wild what people do
in regards to that. So I start started off doing that,
and then I moved to insurance defense, and then I
moved to civil defense litigation where I was doing premise liability.
So I had Walmart as a client. And when I
tell you the most wild things happened at Walmart, you
wouldn't believe. I would watch footage of someone getting ice
(50:18):
out of a machine, looking around, throwing the ice on
the floor, and then slipping and falling like the case
I had. We had a case where someone walked in
put super glue on a toilet seat and then a
customer came and sat on that toilet seat and got stuck.
I am not kidding things. You wouldn't believe what happens.
(50:40):
I should make a show off of this. It was
such a good make this but it was. It was
fun because a lot of times, like civil law is
not as interesting, but this area was like really really
fun to do. Or when the criminal mixed with the civil.
I had a really difficult case one time. That's those
(51:03):
are when those cases are more interesting.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
What was that case? The difficult case?
Speaker 1 (51:07):
It was? It was difficult because it was emotional. Long
story short. Two women were they were a couple and
a guy was watching them through the window. He was
visiting somebody else at an apartment complex, watching them through
the window. When they went to sleep, he came in
through a window and that window is what was that issue.
(51:27):
And he beat one of them up very badly, I
mean like broken face, Like her face was paralyzed on
one side. And then he took and like made them
do things to each other. Then he took the id
and he was like, I know where you live. Two
days later he's like, don't call the police. Two days later,
the police caught him. He went to jail for fifty
(51:47):
years for what he did, twenty five for each of
the women. The women then suit the apartment complex, who
we represented, because they said the apartment complex didn't properly
fix the window, and you know, we believed that they did,
and you know, we argued the case. And I actually
had this case while I was on the Bachelor. So
(52:08):
every Monday night that the show was airing and I
was in trial, and I actually left trial to go
fly to Jimmy Kimmel to announce that I was going
to be the Bachelorette. And the jury had the case
at that moment. So when I came back, the judge
was very upset because she was like, why didn't you
tell everybody that you were the bachelorette? And you don't
do that. You just say I'm Rachel lindsay do you
(52:30):
know who I am? And they'll say no, and then
you move. She's like, well, they can't stop talking about
it now. It didn't help us. We ended up losing
the case because even though by law we were proving
our case, they couldn't get past the emotional like the
testimony was so tough from the women. They were never
the same after that. It affected their relationship, It affected
their relationship with their children. It was just really, really
(52:51):
tough and a jury couldn't get past that. So they
ended up winning money. We appealed it, their attorney fought
it or tried to fight it, and they ended up
getting nothing. At the end of the day, it went
up the change and they ended up getting nothing instead
of taking the settlement that we were trying to offer.
So it was a tough case, interesting but tough.
Speaker 3 (53:08):
How long did it take?
Speaker 1 (53:10):
The trial was about two weeks.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Oh wow, I was expecting like a couple of gets
all months.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
No, no, no, No, it's rare that trials go that long.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
Yeah, I guess I don't really say. Too many trials
go and people.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Don't go to trial anymore. It's too.
Speaker 4 (53:25):
So being a lawyer. Do you think you'd ever get
into sports agency or sports management?
Speaker 1 (53:29):
It's funny you asked that. I thought that's what I
wanted to be. So when I went I went into
college as a government major, hated it, thought it was
so boring. I found sports management through talking to people.
I switched to that and then I thought, this is
what I'm gonna do. I'm still going to go to
law school. I'm going to be an agent. I worked
for an agency and I thought, no, this is not
(53:51):
for me. It was, and maybe it was the job
that I had, but the I felt like I was
babysitting athletes more than you know. I wasn't a lawyer,
so I wasn't in there negotiating or anything. But I
just was like, I don't like this, this isn't for me.
And just the wheeling and dealing of it all. I thought,
I'm glad I had that internship because I was like, this,
(54:11):
world's no. I could be a sports lawyer, but not
an agent.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
I'm an agent. It seems like a tough job.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
You're always just boom boom boom boom boom with always
on little problems that is your job to fix.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
Yeah yeah, I mean they would call you for, you know,
a card to pick up at the airport, to calendar.
So you are like an assistant, a manager, an agent.
And I thought, this is not for me.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
Literally, and you're like three weeks ahead because this person
doing this in six days, this person doing this in
twelve days. Oh, I would lose brain cells if I Yeah,
that's not meant for me. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (54:43):
Well all right, Rachel, Well thank you for coming on.
You just spelt burning your life. So tell the audience
where they can find you, Instagram, your books, Just let
them know.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
Yes, you could find me on all social media platforms
at the th Rach Lindsay and a Twitter, TikTok, you
know I hate doing TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, it's all the same.
You can get my book wherever books are sold, my
memoir Miss Me with That, or my novel Real Love.
(55:13):
You can listen to Higher Learning. New episodes drop every
Tuesday and Friday. And then I have a reality TV
podcast called Morley corrupt that drops every Friday. I can't
get away from it as well. And then yeah, that's
pretty much it cool.
Speaker 3 (55:29):
You heard her, Go give her some love, go check
out all the things, and her dogs check out all
the things. And as Rachel has a gift for coming
on the podcast, you will be getting the black Label
Edition Burn Factory.
Speaker 4 (55:45):
Yes, so actually you have to be a guest on
the podcast to get the black version.
Speaker 3 (55:51):
Only guests get the black Label edition.
Speaker 4 (55:53):
Excuse rare, but that's going to do it for this
episode of the Burn Factory podcast. Like always, like comment,
subscribe at the Burn Factory Podcast.
Speaker 3 (56:06):
And always please visit my foundation as well, the Priest
James Foundation dot org. Again, the Priest James Foundation dot
org to understand why this is called the burn Factory.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
See you guys for the next video.
Speaker 4 (56:19):
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