August 7, 2023 • 24 mins
A look back at the real stories behind the fictions as well as a look forward at our potential future from a vision by Ernie LaPointe.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Superstition here and jealousy superstition here and jealousy.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Okay, okay them with your call him with your car.
I'm on international frequency. Come here, tell me what you wait.
I'll tell you what you are.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
It was a time when eating class medicine stream of
sturdy first time in any first kids, kid, do you
indeed think that either there is life on other planets?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Stop?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
This would be more effective at midnight and pounding winds
and crushing thunder, And even then it wouldn't frighten anyone.
The flames clean.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
My soul of evil, of.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It's lust for blood, my second mister Archael. Welcome to
Ian Punnett's Vaudeville for the Frightened, a fresh mix of audio, art, music,
(01:19):
interviews and fiction that will have you wondering what is
there to be afraid of? Here's the Deacon of the Dark,
Ian Punnett.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
This episode number eight will be shorter than one through seven,
but as a bonus, I will offer you two episodes
after this that are essentially an edit of the scenes
in our fictional presentation, sort of put back to back
with all the narration and interviews taken out. For those
(01:55):
who struggled with the way that I had structured things.
Put the biggest clues to the various murder mysteries in
this series in the interviews and in the narration, because
plot exposition can get bogged down, at least for me.
(02:16):
Plus I enjoy hearing from the experts on these subjects
who are never far from my thoughts. I'll even go
so far to say that plot exposition can get really dull.
I don't know I've ever noticed this, but sometimes in
an eight part Netflix series, you can almost circle episode
number four because you'll have to get through it to
(02:38):
get to the rest. They kind of stretch it out
there in the middle. So I tried to keep my
exposition to a minimum in my stories. The feedback on
Twitter and among listeners has been very positive, and I'm
grateful for that. Many of you commented on my theory
of wobbles. However, something that I borrowed from the study
(03:02):
of probability in mathematics. This is the theory that I
love and my wife hates.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Marriage.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
The fact is some people are born into horrible household
situations who experienced psychological emotional sexual abuse at the hands
of power or drug alcohol addicted to parents who then
rose above their pain and sought therapy. Instead of repeating
(03:37):
those circumstances again, like an echo into the distance, they
put an end to it. To use another mathematical concept,
they no longer replicated the fractal. They learned to love,
They learned to be loved, and broke the chains of
(03:58):
their pain instead of taking it out on their offspring.
On the other hand, others who went through less can
give in more to their worst impulses, almost as though
they purposely used their abuse as an excuse to abuse
or marginalize others. And of course, there are those who
(04:22):
were tragically wired, I mean seemingly hard wired to be
unable to tell the difference between right and wrong, who
become like Ed Kemper, one of the main subjects of
Netflix's Mind Hunters, and the research of former FBI profiler
John Douglas, who says the wobble here may pertain mainly
(04:46):
to moms.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
And he reminded his mother of her ex husband with
the spit and image of him, and so she hated
him and locked him down the basement where there was
furnace down there, a gas furnace, where he'd fantasized was
the devil or hell, and he'd had his sister's dolls.
He started decapitating the heads off of the dolls, the arms,
(05:10):
the legs. Things he would do to victims later on.
He also was into animal cruelty, buried cats alive, you know,
dissect dissect cats. He was giving psychological tests for the psychologists,
you know, administering them to other you know, other inmates
when he was when he was incarcerated. But you know,
(05:32):
it's it's one of these things. Again. You look at
the guy. He wouldn't be where he was had it
not been for all this this early childhood stuff and
with the you know, with with the mother.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Somehow, as research indicates, even within those who do become psychopathic,
not every psychopath chooses to resist evil, and others do.
Lots of psychopaths live with their psychopathy and that drives
(06:06):
them to be successful, not destructive. This is why CEOs
and serial killers share nearly identical personality profiles.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Yeah. No, I think they know what they're doing. They're
master manipulators, and they can read, they can read people,
and basically their profiling, their profiling themselves interesting and another.
So uh so, that's that's a great study. You just
you just brought up here. But I've seen that when I,
like I said, when I go out, I'll show pictures
(06:39):
of these different different uh CEOs or whomever. They are,
different positions, they are holding it in our country and
very similar characteristics. Only this group here are killing this.
This group over here are are using that power and
control to to manipulate and manipulate others for their personal needs.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
And then sometimes people end up as both or they
grow out of it. Just ask doctor Dan Friedman, pediatrician,
professor and author of The Strange Case of Doctor Doyle,
A Journey into Madness and Mayhem.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Next Ian Punnett's Vaudeville for the Frightened, Use your Ears
(07:45):
to Fight Your Fears.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Get read once that Sherlock Holmes books is one of
the most recognized fictional characters in the world. Not a
terrible surprise considering how much media has been devoted to
Sherlock Holmes, not as much to his creator, Sir Arthur
(08:09):
Conan Doyle. This was the focus of the research of
Dan Friedman, who, along with his father, doctor Eugene Friedman,
makes the case that Jack the Ripper was actually Sir
Arthur Conan Doyle. His research holds water, and it's kind
(08:31):
of informative of doctor Mark Sturgis right in our story,
the highly respected academic who used his popularity to cover
for his crimes. In this case, doctors Dan and Eugene
Friedman were able to determine that before he became a
(08:51):
well known author, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was seeking release.
He was black, all went off some steam from all
of the pressures that were going on in his head
and in his life by killing prostitutes.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Yes, I like you know.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
And actually Doyle actually writes about this in one of
his stories, The Six Napoleons, about the idea fix, where
your normal everything's going great, you know, you have issues
that are pent up, and then all of a sudden
you read something or you see something. In his case,
he was the Maysonic ritual and it you haven't your
(09:33):
brain fixates on it and it has to carry it
to completion. But once you do it to completion, once
you get it all done, you can go back to
a normal life and you may you may try to
find religion, or you may try to do something else.
And then actually fits Doyle's pattern here that he had
this idea fixed that he had a lot of issues
(09:57):
growing up. He had a lot of emotional physical abuse use,
his father issues, his mother issues, the possible a child
Ma had that was with the lodger. And he just
finally snapped when he read the Mason Ritual about how
you get revenge on someone who does something to you.
He could go on with his normal life. And it's
(10:18):
only after the murders are done that Arthur Conan Doyle
makes establish himself for himself as a as a great writer,
a great author. He's able to go have a family,
he's able to well. He had an unsuccessful medical practice,
but he's able to make a living, a great living.
And he was popular and become a Knight of the
Empire exactly.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
He was popular, and that popularity would have been the
perfect camouflage.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Oh and it was. And he could have walked into
any ballroom with a bunch of police officers or detectives
and he could have no one would have suspected a thing.
He was just too he was on another level. He
was a higher echelon now and.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
If because his hunting grounds were really one specific part
of East London, he could have visited those at any
time anytime he needed a sense of his dominance or
his superiority, or how clever he was. He wouldn't had
to have gone to as other serial killers have done,
a kind of a kind of graveyard of their of
(11:19):
their victims. He could have just walked around.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Whitechapel sure, and remember that was his and that was
a place that he actually enjoyed. Right before the murders occurred,
he actually went down to the docks of the East
End and he would sit there and look at the
ship's takeoff. He just loved being down there.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
That was a comfort, comforting place for Sir Arthur Conan Doyle,
and he was not afraid of being around those people.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
They were probably afraid to be around him. The guy
was like super powerful. He knew how to defend himself.
He was an expert boxer.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
But he grew into along with that the idea of
going to medico and being considered smart and all of
that he grew into, then, if I read your research correctly,
into really being not just somebody who was a pugilist,
but somebody who was actually a killer exactly. And it's
(12:16):
this release that doctor Dan Friedman says characterized the real
creator of Sherlock Holmes, and what better way to create
a character who catches killers than to have been a
killer himself. Well, at the beginning of the series, I
(12:39):
promised that we would end on something positive. I have
done my best with the Bottom of the Box this
first series in the Vaudeville for the Frightened experiment to
include as many surprises as possible fun listening, even if
(13:00):
it means having to throw myself under the very same
bus that I am driving to provide those surprises. But
I can't think of a better way to end than
on something hopeful. Something I think we can all get behind.
A vision or is it a dream? Even sitting Bull's
(13:23):
great grandson EARNINGE. Lapointe wasn't sure. But something I hope
is a vision for our future.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Next Ian Punnett's Vaudeville for the Frightened Use Your Ears
(13:55):
to Fight Your Fears Series one, The Bottom of the Bus.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
According to doctor Judith Orloff, you know, we can be
informed internally about ourselves from our dreams, from our nightmares.
But visions, well those are bigger in scope, and those
may have a kind of a divine origin, something that
(14:21):
comes to us but is outside of our own consciousness.
I sure hope it's the latter. In the case of
Ernie Lapointe and his vision for the future.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
You know, it's kind of like you get sometimes you
get what you need, not what you want. You know, Yeah,
you have to understand what it is. And you know,
I see people get angry, you know, a little bit
because what they want it doesn't happen, you know, but
they give them the tengue what they need in a visionquest.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
So can you give me an example in your own life,
when you were either coming out of the Vietnam experience
or for what any other reason, when a dream gave
you a glimpse of something that or it forced you
(15:20):
to look inside yourself for an answer about something that
you were wrestling with.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
I had a dream one time in Colorado Rockies. A
friend of mine was up there. We camped out, and
to this day, I don't know if it was a
dream or if it was a reason I had, but
I was approached by at night. It was we had
a campfire and music, were in a teepee lit tent
(15:48):
and he was on one side. I was on the
other side. We had sleeping bags and he had a
little dog between us and the stow dogs started to vibrate.
I was going with library on my leg. He was
growling real low, and I've I've seen a shadow go
between the fire in front and the entrance to the tent.
(16:09):
And then I heard a voice talking to me Lacotta
and in the Colorado Rock. He's a Johnnen over Divide
and he told me, he said come outside. So I
went outside. I said, you know who's calling me so
and my car was sitting there. I had a blazer.
It was backed up to the thing, and in front
of the blazer on towards the front, there's three other
(16:32):
guys standing there and this guy was standing behind the
car and he says, come this way. He said, I'm
going to show you something. And so next thing you know,
it was like we're looking down at this bunch of
people in this area, and the warmths that came from
it was beautiful. I mean, I wanted to go down
(16:52):
and he said yeah, he said no, he said. What
I'm showing you, he says, is what's coming from the future.
And then the next thing you know, I'm back in
my streeting bag and the little dog still vibrating on
my leg, and I was thinking what did I just
see you know what I did? Was I dreaming this?
(17:13):
Or was I did I really leave? You know? Well,
the next morning I made some offerings and went up
on top of the rocks there and I talked to
the spirit. I said, you know, I told him, I said,
what I just had it was a vision or dream
or what is it? You know, is it something that
was coming from the future that I'm supposed to understand.
(17:35):
And I put these my offerings in this bush there
and I said, you know, show me a sign or
if this was real or not. So I'm coming back
down the trail. My friend's following me, and I heard something,
It felt like something said look up. So I looked up.
Right about him was a bush along the edge of
this trail was an eagle feather. So I grabbed the
(17:56):
eagle feather and looked at it. It was a golden
eagle feather, and I said wow. And all of a
sudden in my head a voice said, here's your answer.
What you what you've seen was real? You know? So
you know, I still have the ego feather. He's hanging
in my house here. And uh, but you know, later on,
(18:19):
when I got back into my ceremonies. They told me
what I seen was a calm before the purification, before
its purification that's coming. They said. People are going to
just be beautiful like that, like I seen, get along
with each other, careful one another, laugh, enjoy, have a
(18:40):
good time, and there's not gonna be any fear or
not animosities. Then all of a sudden, it's gonna come back.
And are they going to stay this way or are
they going to jump back to the away from it,
you know, back to their fear of minded societies. And
then I've seen what's gonna happen. People screaming and crying
(19:03):
and begging, and the earth is purifying itself. And if
you have no fear, you get through it. You lalling
did they said, you go through it back to this
fill world, and the earth is going to purify herself,
and the whole world is gonna but it's gonna go.
It's gonna come from four hundred miles inside the earth
(19:23):
to the top, and what we know here on the
surface is going to be buried four hundred miles deep.
And they never told me if there's gonna be any
new Lafe after that or not. I don't ask I
don't ask the questions to spirits. I just say, okay,
this is my message to the people that go fear,
(19:46):
care for one another. Replace fear with humor, lap off
all the atrocities. Don't be you know, caught up in
something that that takes you away from you're what you
should do as a human being, as a soul, as
a spirit to learn. But like I said, there's three
(20:10):
hundred and eighty million people in this in this land,
in this country, I don't know how many of them
is going to turn their ways. Or there's eight billion
people in the world, how many are going to let
go fear and stay with it? I don't know. I mean,
that's not for me to do. I'm just a messenger
because I live it, and I hope they would too,
(20:34):
that we can stand together, shoulder to shouldern and say, okay,
we'll get through this together.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
You know, there are so many positive ways to look
at the world around us, and I hope that you
can use your ears to overcome your fears. Living at
a fear minded society I hope has run its course.
And I like what he has to say. If you
(21:00):
have no fear, what would your future be like? Deus, Tammo,
and I Do Too. The theme for Vaudeville for the
Frightened was written by Andrew Clark and performed by Ryan
(21:20):
Winters and Pistol Beauty. Original music by Colby Van Camp,
Engineered by Jacob Cummings, Colby Van Camp and Mason Kamara.
Special thanks to Marjorie Punnett, Corny Cole, Lisa Lyon, Chris Boros,
Bill May, Tom dan Heiser, and Julie Talban. And thank
(21:42):
you Joe Bretton. This has been a fourth Down and
ten production.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Oh yeah, remember at the end of episode seven when
Mark was shoving that squirming body with the twenty pound
weights on her ankles into the water. In the background,
you could hear something. Did you catch it.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Now?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
To you that might sound like a motor boat with
horn blaring, rushing to the scene.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
But you know what that sounded like.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
To me, sounds like a sequel U
Superstition here and jealousy superstition here and jealousy.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Okay, okay them with your call him with your car.
I'm on international frequency. Come here, tell me what you wait.
I'll tell you what you are.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
It was a time when eating class medicine stream of
sturdy first time in any first kids, kid, do you
indeed think that either there is life on other planets?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Stop?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
This would be more effective at midnight and pounding winds
and crushing thunder, And even then it wouldn't frighten anyone.
The flames clean.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
My soul of evil, of.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It's lust for blood, my second mister Archael. Welcome to
Ian Punnett's Vaudeville for the Frightened, a fresh mix of audio, art, music,
(01:19):
interviews and fiction that will have you wondering what is
there to be afraid of? Here's the Deacon of the Dark,
Ian Punnett.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
This episode number eight will be shorter than one through seven,
but as a bonus, I will offer you two episodes
after this that are essentially an edit of the scenes
in our fictional presentation, sort of put back to back
with all the narration and interviews taken out. For those
(01:55):
who struggled with the way that I had structured things.
Put the biggest clues to the various murder mysteries in
this series in the interviews and in the narration, because
plot exposition can get bogged down, at least for me.
(02:16):
Plus I enjoy hearing from the experts on these subjects
who are never far from my thoughts. I'll even go
so far to say that plot exposition can get really dull.
I don't know I've ever noticed this, but sometimes in
an eight part Netflix series, you can almost circle episode
number four because you'll have to get through it to
(02:38):
get to the rest. They kind of stretch it out
there in the middle. So I tried to keep my
exposition to a minimum in my stories. The feedback on
Twitter and among listeners has been very positive, and I'm
grateful for that. Many of you commented on my theory
of wobbles. However, something that I borrowed from the study
(03:02):
of probability in mathematics. This is the theory that I
love and my wife hates.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Marriage.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
The fact is some people are born into horrible household
situations who experienced psychological emotional sexual abuse at the hands
of power or drug alcohol addicted to parents who then
rose above their pain and sought therapy. Instead of repeating
(03:37):
those circumstances again, like an echo into the distance, they
put an end to it. To use another mathematical concept,
they no longer replicated the fractal. They learned to love,
They learned to be loved, and broke the chains of
(03:58):
their pain instead of taking it out on their offspring.
On the other hand, others who went through less can
give in more to their worst impulses, almost as though
they purposely used their abuse as an excuse to abuse
or marginalize others. And of course, there are those who
(04:22):
were tragically wired, I mean seemingly hard wired to be
unable to tell the difference between right and wrong, who
become like Ed Kemper, one of the main subjects of
Netflix's Mind Hunters, and the research of former FBI profiler
John Douglas, who says the wobble here may pertain mainly
(04:46):
to moms.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
And he reminded his mother of her ex husband with
the spit and image of him, and so she hated
him and locked him down the basement where there was
furnace down there, a gas furnace, where he'd fantasized was
the devil or hell, and he'd had his sister's dolls.
He started decapitating the heads off of the dolls, the arms,
(05:10):
the legs. Things he would do to victims later on.
He also was into animal cruelty, buried cats alive, you know,
dissect dissect cats. He was giving psychological tests for the psychologists,
you know, administering them to other you know, other inmates
when he was when he was incarcerated. But you know,
(05:32):
it's it's one of these things. Again. You look at
the guy. He wouldn't be where he was had it
not been for all this this early childhood stuff and
with the you know, with with the mother.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Somehow, as research indicates, even within those who do become psychopathic,
not every psychopath chooses to resist evil, and others do.
Lots of psychopaths live with their psychopathy and that drives
(06:06):
them to be successful, not destructive. This is why CEOs
and serial killers share nearly identical personality profiles.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Yeah. No, I think they know what they're doing. They're
master manipulators, and they can read, they can read people,
and basically their profiling, their profiling themselves interesting and another.
So uh so, that's that's a great study. You just
you just brought up here. But I've seen that when I,
like I said, when I go out, I'll show pictures
(06:39):
of these different different uh CEOs or whomever. They are,
different positions, they are holding it in our country and
very similar characteristics. Only this group here are killing this.
This group over here are are using that power and
control to to manipulate and manipulate others for their personal needs.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
And then sometimes people end up as both or they
grow out of it. Just ask doctor Dan Friedman, pediatrician,
professor and author of The Strange Case of Doctor Doyle,
A Journey into Madness and Mayhem.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Next Ian Punnett's Vaudeville for the Frightened, Use your Ears
(07:45):
to Fight Your Fears.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Get read once that Sherlock Holmes books is one of
the most recognized fictional characters in the world. Not a
terrible surprise considering how much media has been devoted to
Sherlock Holmes, not as much to his creator, Sir Arthur
(08:09):
Conan Doyle. This was the focus of the research of
Dan Friedman, who, along with his father, doctor Eugene Friedman,
makes the case that Jack the Ripper was actually Sir
Arthur Conan Doyle. His research holds water, and it's kind
(08:31):
of informative of doctor Mark Sturgis right in our story,
the highly respected academic who used his popularity to cover
for his crimes. In this case, doctors Dan and Eugene
Friedman were able to determine that before he became a
(08:51):
well known author, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was seeking release.
He was black, all went off some steam from all
of the pressures that were going on in his head
and in his life by killing prostitutes.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
Yes, I like you know.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
And actually Doyle actually writes about this in one of
his stories, The Six Napoleons, about the idea fix, where
your normal everything's going great, you know, you have issues
that are pent up, and then all of a sudden
you read something or you see something. In his case,
he was the Maysonic ritual and it you haven't your
(09:33):
brain fixates on it and it has to carry it
to completion. But once you do it to completion, once
you get it all done, you can go back to
a normal life and you may you may try to
find religion, or you may try to do something else.
And then actually fits Doyle's pattern here that he had
this idea fixed that he had a lot of issues
(09:57):
growing up. He had a lot of emotional physical abuse use,
his father issues, his mother issues, the possible a child
Ma had that was with the lodger. And he just
finally snapped when he read the Mason Ritual about how
you get revenge on someone who does something to you.
He could go on with his normal life. And it's
(10:18):
only after the murders are done that Arthur Conan Doyle
makes establish himself for himself as a as a great writer,
a great author. He's able to go have a family,
he's able to well. He had an unsuccessful medical practice,
but he's able to make a living, a great living.
And he was popular and become a Knight of the
Empire exactly.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
He was popular, and that popularity would have been the
perfect camouflage.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Oh and it was. And he could have walked into
any ballroom with a bunch of police officers or detectives
and he could have no one would have suspected a thing.
He was just too he was on another level. He
was a higher echelon now and.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
If because his hunting grounds were really one specific part
of East London, he could have visited those at any
time anytime he needed a sense of his dominance or
his superiority, or how clever he was. He wouldn't had
to have gone to as other serial killers have done,
a kind of a kind of graveyard of their of
(11:19):
their victims. He could have just walked around.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Whitechapel sure, and remember that was his and that was
a place that he actually enjoyed. Right before the murders occurred,
he actually went down to the docks of the East
End and he would sit there and look at the
ship's takeoff. He just loved being down there.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
That was a comfort, comforting place for Sir Arthur Conan Doyle,
and he was not afraid of being around those people.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
They were probably afraid to be around him. The guy
was like super powerful. He knew how to defend himself.
He was an expert boxer.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
But he grew into along with that the idea of
going to medico and being considered smart and all of
that he grew into, then, if I read your research correctly,
into really being not just somebody who was a pugilist,
but somebody who was actually a killer exactly. And it's
(12:16):
this release that doctor Dan Friedman says characterized the real
creator of Sherlock Holmes, and what better way to create
a character who catches killers than to have been a
killer himself. Well, at the beginning of the series, I
(12:39):
promised that we would end on something positive. I have
done my best with the Bottom of the Box this
first series in the Vaudeville for the Frightened experiment to
include as many surprises as possible fun listening, even if
(13:00):
it means having to throw myself under the very same
bus that I am driving to provide those surprises. But
I can't think of a better way to end than
on something hopeful. Something I think we can all get behind.
A vision or is it a dream? Even sitting Bull's
(13:23):
great grandson EARNINGE. Lapointe wasn't sure. But something I hope
is a vision for our future.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Next Ian Punnett's Vaudeville for the Frightened Use Your Ears
(13:55):
to Fight Your Fears Series one, The Bottom of the Bus.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
According to doctor Judith Orloff, you know, we can be
informed internally about ourselves from our dreams, from our nightmares.
But visions, well those are bigger in scope, and those
may have a kind of a divine origin, something that
(14:21):
comes to us but is outside of our own consciousness.
I sure hope it's the latter. In the case of
Ernie Lapointe and his vision for the future.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
You know, it's kind of like you get sometimes you
get what you need, not what you want. You know, Yeah,
you have to understand what it is. And you know,
I see people get angry, you know, a little bit
because what they want it doesn't happen, you know, but
they give them the tengue what they need in a visionquest.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
So can you give me an example in your own life,
when you were either coming out of the Vietnam experience
or for what any other reason, when a dream gave
you a glimpse of something that or it forced you
(15:20):
to look inside yourself for an answer about something that
you were wrestling with.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
I had a dream one time in Colorado Rockies. A
friend of mine was up there. We camped out, and
to this day, I don't know if it was a
dream or if it was a reason I had, but
I was approached by at night. It was we had
a campfire and music, were in a teepee lit tent
(15:48):
and he was on one side. I was on the
other side. We had sleeping bags and he had a
little dog between us and the stow dogs started to vibrate.
I was going with library on my leg. He was
growling real low, and I've I've seen a shadow go
between the fire in front and the entrance to the tent.
(16:09):
And then I heard a voice talking to me Lacotta
and in the Colorado Rock. He's a Johnnen over Divide
and he told me, he said come outside. So I
went outside. I said, you know who's calling me so
and my car was sitting there. I had a blazer.
It was backed up to the thing, and in front
of the blazer on towards the front, there's three other
(16:32):
guys standing there and this guy was standing behind the
car and he says, come this way. He said, I'm
going to show you something. And so next thing you know,
it was like we're looking down at this bunch of
people in this area, and the warmths that came from
it was beautiful. I mean, I wanted to go down
(16:52):
and he said yeah, he said no, he said. What
I'm showing you, he says, is what's coming from the future.
And then the next thing you know, I'm back in
my streeting bag and the little dog still vibrating on
my leg, and I was thinking what did I just
see you know what I did? Was I dreaming this?
(17:13):
Or was I did I really leave? You know? Well,
the next morning I made some offerings and went up
on top of the rocks there and I talked to
the spirit. I said, you know, I told him, I said,
what I just had it was a vision or dream
or what is it? You know, is it something that
was coming from the future that I'm supposed to understand.
(17:35):
And I put these my offerings in this bush there
and I said, you know, show me a sign or
if this was real or not. So I'm coming back
down the trail. My friend's following me, and I heard something,
It felt like something said look up. So I looked up.
Right about him was a bush along the edge of
this trail was an eagle feather. So I grabbed the
(17:56):
eagle feather and looked at it. It was a golden
eagle feather, and I said wow. And all of a
sudden in my head a voice said, here's your answer.
What you what you've seen was real? You know? So
you know, I still have the ego feather. He's hanging
in my house here. And uh, but you know, later on,
(18:19):
when I got back into my ceremonies. They told me
what I seen was a calm before the purification, before
its purification that's coming. They said. People are going to
just be beautiful like that, like I seen, get along
with each other, careful one another, laugh, enjoy, have a
(18:40):
good time, and there's not gonna be any fear or
not animosities. Then all of a sudden, it's gonna come back.
And are they going to stay this way or are
they going to jump back to the away from it,
you know, back to their fear of minded societies. And
then I've seen what's gonna happen. People screaming and crying
(19:03):
and begging, and the earth is purifying itself. And if
you have no fear, you get through it. You lalling
did they said, you go through it back to this
fill world, and the earth is going to purify herself,
and the whole world is gonna but it's gonna go.
It's gonna come from four hundred miles inside the earth
(19:23):
to the top, and what we know here on the
surface is going to be buried four hundred miles deep.
And they never told me if there's gonna be any
new Lafe after that or not. I don't ask I
don't ask the questions to spirits. I just say, okay,
this is my message to the people that go fear,
(19:46):
care for one another. Replace fear with humor, lap off
all the atrocities. Don't be you know, caught up in
something that that takes you away from you're what you
should do as a human being, as a soul, as
a spirit to learn. But like I said, there's three
(20:10):
hundred and eighty million people in this in this land,
in this country, I don't know how many of them
is going to turn their ways. Or there's eight billion
people in the world, how many are going to let
go fear and stay with it? I don't know. I mean,
that's not for me to do. I'm just a messenger
because I live it, and I hope they would too,
(20:34):
that we can stand together, shoulder to shouldern and say, okay,
we'll get through this together.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
You know, there are so many positive ways to look
at the world around us, and I hope that you
can use your ears to overcome your fears. Living at
a fear minded society I hope has run its course.
And I like what he has to say. If you
(21:00):
have no fear, what would your future be like? Deus, Tammo,
and I Do Too. The theme for Vaudeville for the
Frightened was written by Andrew Clark and performed by Ryan
(21:20):
Winters and Pistol Beauty. Original music by Colby Van Camp,
Engineered by Jacob Cummings, Colby Van Camp and Mason Kamara.
Special thanks to Marjorie Punnett, Corny Cole, Lisa Lyon, Chris Boros,
Bill May, Tom dan Heiser, and Julie Talban. And thank
(21:42):
you Joe Bretton. This has been a fourth Down and
ten production.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Oh yeah, remember at the end of episode seven when
Mark was shoving that squirming body with the twenty pound
weights on her ankles into the water. In the background,
you could hear something. Did you catch it.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Now?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
To you that might sound like a motor boat with
horn blaring, rushing to the scene.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
But you know what that sounded like.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
To me, sounds like a sequel U
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