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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in his verdict with Senator Ted Cruz, ben Ferguson
with you. It's so nice to have you with us.
And Senator there has been a lot that has happened
in this country dealing with people that have come into
this country unvetted, and now we have seen an attack.
It's cost people with their lives, and not only that,
we've also found others that are now threatening to do
violence in America.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I'm angry about it.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
A lot of Americans are, and finding out just how
ignorant the last administration was and letting people in is
truly shocking and a real national security issue.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Now, well, it's truly horrific what happened on Wednesday, the
Wednesday before Thanksgiving, two National Guard members, Sarah Beckstrom H
twenty and Andrew Wolf H twenty four, were shot less
than twenty four hours after they were sworn in. Sarah
tragically passed away on Thanksgiving Day as you and I
are recording this. Andrew is still fighting for his life
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but in very serious condition. The shooter, as we all know,
was an Afghan national who Joe Biden brought to the
United States, who had very limited vetting, who was released,
who was living in Washington State who got in a
car and drove from Washington State to Washington d C.
(01:13):
Pulled out a gun and shot these two National Guard members. Now,
if that is not infuriating, that, I don't know what is.
And in particular Ben, some of us, including the two
of us, including the Verdict podcast, have been predicting this
was going to happen for more than four years when
Joe Biden began doing this, when Joe Biden began bringing
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in thousands upon thousands of unvetted Afghan nationals, just bringing
in people who who were in a war torn country
where radical Islamic terrorism is rife, and engaging in little
to no vetting. This was, sadly the predictable and the
predicted outcome.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
They also lied about it.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And that's something else that I think people need to
unders is they tried to act like this was no
big deal early on center that we were vetting, and
they flat out lied to the American people because they
were trying to cover for the disastrous exit of Afghanistan.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Well, that's exactly right. And if you remember, the exit
of Afghanistan was when the Biden presidency began to collapse. There,
you know, the Biden presidency was extremely political and their
poll numbers dropped ten points when it was an utter disaster.
They pulled out of Afghanistan. If you remember they pulled out.
They wanted to be out by September eleventh, the twentieth
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anniversary of September eleventh, and so they ordered the troops
out with no level of competence, no level. The military
told them, look, we need sufficient troop levels to at
least do the evacuation. We need sufficient troop levels to
have a secure evacuation. At Bogram Airfield that we had
spent billions of dollars building, it was safe, it was secure.
(02:57):
If you wanted to do an evacuation, it was the
right place to do it from. But the Biden political
operatives said, no, we want the number down to twenty
five hundred troops by a date certain, and so they
abandoned Bagram. They just gave it to the Taliban. They
did the evacuation out of Cabul National Airport, which is
in the middle of it a dense urban area, and
tragically resulted in thirteen servicemen and women being murdered. Because
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of those decisions and the incompetence and the ideology and
understand it was both. It was incompetence, to be sure,
but it was also ideology that they refused to recognize.
This is an administration that we refused to recognize radical
Islamic terrorism exists. And so we saw the images of
planes taking off in Cabbal with people clinging to the
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to the tires and trying to get into the wheel wells,
the panic, the terror, the chaos, the death, and politically
the Biden administration that was the turning point. After that,
they began shipping in thousands and tens of thousands and
even hundreds of thousands of Afghans, and because idea logically,
they don't acknowledge radical Islamic terrorism as a threat, they
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didn't vet them. They just said, Hey, the more people
we bring into this country who hate America, the more
people are going to vote Democrats. That's the only justification.
It's like ignorance, an ideology plus a long term political objective.
And we've seen it. We've seen it with the Somali
invasion in Minnesota and the tragedies that are unfolding there.
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We've seen it with the radicalization of places like Dearborn,
Michigan and We've seen it with the Afghans, and this
is something I have been screaming from the ramparts and
fighting from day one. And what happened in DC is infuriating.
And those two National guardsmen did not need to be shot.
And this is the result of idiotic policies from the
Biden Harris administration.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
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let's go back to what we were talking about before,
and let's really do a reset of the warnings, the
fact that the Biden administration was warned about this turning
into what it is now.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
It's costing people their lives.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
And there were quite a few that listened to show
that knew we were sounding the alarm, not because we
wanted to be right, but because this is a national
security issue and we saw it happening before our very eyes.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Now that's exactly right. We're going to put up for
those of you who are watching the podcast on YouTube,
We're going to put up a tweet that I sent
out in August of twenty twenty one, and I'll read
you the tweet. It says, touring the Donna Anna Camp
at Fort Bliss this morning, where Biden administration plans to
house ten thousand Afghan refugees. We should rescue Afghans who've
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assisted the US military, but they should go to a
neutral and safe third country. They should not come to
the US without a full security So, look, there were.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Afghans during the way. Wait, what was the day to that.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I want to make sure people understand how much we
knew this was going to be a problem.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Okay, So it was August twenty seventh, twenty twenty one.
And by the way, I was and I also have
a picture, so I'm in a black Hawk helicopter touring
the tent facility. They literally built a gigantic tent city
on Fort Bliss. Fort Bliss is in El Paso, Texas.
It is a massive military base and they built a
tent city to house ten thousand Afghans. Now, there was
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very little security. They didn't know who was coming in.
They didn't know how they would leave. They didn't know
if they could leave, if they were terrorists. They could
literally hail an uber leave and go wherever they wanted.
It was insanity and listen. During the war in Afghanistan,
there were Afghans who made courageous decisions to help the
US government, And I think it's wrong and im moral
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to just leave them to be murdered by the Taliban.
So I think we had an obligation knew something. But
there are a lot of options short of bringing them
to America. That they're a whole bunch of Muslim countries
in the Middle East where they would not pose the
same terror threat that they pose here, And a perfectly
reasonable approach would be We're going to set up refugee
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camps with our allies through throughout the throughout the Middle East,
move those refugees there, and for those that pass a
vigorous screening test, it is possible some of them might
come to the United States, but only after we were
absolutely certain that there was not a risk of a
terror attack like we saw.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
By the way you and I talked about this.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I knew several people that worked that fought for our
country in Afghanistan and they said their most frustrating aspect
of the pullout was the US was almost like they
were playing a numbers game. Well, we got out five
thousand or ten thousand or twenty thousand, and they said
their interpreters were being hunted down, people that helped American
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soldiers were being hunted down. They weren't actually pulling out
the people that deserve to be pulled out. It was
just a numbers game after the disaster, try to make
it go away.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
No, that's exactly right. They were both over inclusive and
under inclusive. In other words, they were missing people who
really had been allies of the United States because there
was no serious process to identify who would risk their lives,
who was at real danger of persecution and murder. And
they were also just letting waving people in. I want
(10:29):
you to listen to this cross examination that I did
of Tony Blinkn, then the Secretary of State at the time,
give a listen on this topic. But I want to
ask you flat out, did the State Department give the
Taliban a list or multiple list of Americans and or
Afghans that we wanted out.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Those reports and the idea that we would do anything
to endanger our citizens or anyone else at a time
when we were trying to save their lives is flat
out wrongs.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Let me just like a yes or no, did you
give them?
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Let me very.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Clear, a Senator, if I may please thank you, in
limited instances where we were seeking to get a bus
or a group of people through a checkpoint. We gave
a manifest to the people at the checkpoint to demonstrate
that those people were expected way.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
How many names were on the list you gave.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
It doesn't matter because they all.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Dozen, the hundreds, thousands, give us some order of magnitude.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
This happened in a handful of situations where to dozen.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
So is it your testimony It wasn't hundreds. I want
to understand. Did you give them thousands of names?
Speaker 6 (11:33):
No?
Speaker 5 (11:33):
We did not. Okay, hundreds, not going to put a
number on it, but it was again.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Why not? This is a hearing to discover how many
names and how many of those individuals you gave the
Taliban the name to have been targeted for torture or murder.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Senator, by definition, these were in limited instances with a
bus or a group of people to get them through
a checkpoint.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
They got through the checkpoint.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
So not only did you fail to evacuate Americans and
green cardholes who were there, but you also brought in
tens of thousands of Afghans who had wholly inadequate vetting,
bringing many of them to the United States. And one
of the things that has done is that has brought
in a humanitarian crisis to America. Child marriage and domestic
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abuse tragically are widespread in Afghanistan. According to the World
Health Organization, more than half of the women in Afghanistan
are married as child brides and ninety percent of women
are subject to domestic abuse ninety percent. On August twenty seventh,
according to public reports, you distributed internal documentation highlighting numerous
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instances and intake centers of sexual abuse in which much older,
grown Afghan males appeared with children. Young children claimed they
were their brides, claimed they were their wives, and the
document said the State Department urgent requested guidance. That was
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your word urgently. Subsequently, Department of Homeland Security said that
it showed the desperation of families that they were willing
to give little girls to grown men to be subject
to sexual abuse and child wives. My questions as follows.
Did you receive that urgent guidance? How many children have
been subject to sexual abuse? What have you done to
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rescue young children from illegal and abusive relationships? After being
brought to America by the State Department.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Across the entire government, everyone involved in the evacuation effort,
whether it's at a transit point in one of the
countries that we negotiated with, whether it's here in the
United States at Dulles or Philadelphia or the military bases,
we have all of our officers at extreme vigilance to
look for and to deal with any cases or concerns
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that he's.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
The urgent guidance And how many child.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Guides have you seen?
Speaker 4 (14:03):
I don't know the specific guidance referring to I'm happy
to look, uh, to look at it.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
So is there not urgency to discover its abuse.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
As could we could detect and deal with at any cases?
And there have been, to my knowledge a limited number
of cases where we have separated people because we were concerned.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
The cases I'm aware of a handful.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I think it's a really important point here, Senator, that
we are now dealing with the reality of this situation,
and that is this was more than just a national
security threat. This was a threat to so many Americans.
It's not just terrorism. It's also what you just described there.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, and look, this is related. We have covered on
Verdict before the the incredible epidemic of child rapes from
pakistanis in the United Kingdom and the United Kingdoms turning
a blind eye to to this this pattern, this this
massive challenge of young children, young girls being raped tragically
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in Afghanistan. That is also a very real problem. The
statistics on child brides are horrifying. Ninety percent of women
reported to have been subject to domestic abuse. And understand,
when the Taliban was taking over in Afghanistan, there were
families that were desperate, and so they would have a
little girl, a seven eight nine year old girl that
they would give to a grown man who was getting
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on a plane and say here, take her as your wife,
to get her out of here. And that little girl
would would then be raped for the rest of her life.
And the Biden State Department, they knew it was going on,
but they didn't act to stop it. And understand, this
is ideology at play. Everyone not everyone. Many of those
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who manned the Biden administration were alums of the Obama administration.
Under the Obama administration, I chaired a hearing because the
Obama White House had sent out a written guidance to
the Department of Homeland Security to urge and they use
the word purge any reference to radical Islam or the
Muslim Brotherhood or jihad and as a result, DHS either
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edited or deleted more than eight hundred of their records
or racing references to radical Islam, Muslim brotherhood Jahad and
you know what, And then miraculously, later on when you
had a terror attack, they'd say, but we have no
record that this is connected to radical Islam. It's like, well,
because you had a purge and you deleted all the records. Ideologically,
those same left wing ideologues that were in the Obama
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administration they went forward to the Bided administration. And so
it's a reason why if they've got people who are
American allies. You heard Tony blink and say, oh yeah, well,
we would give lists of them to the Taliban. What
could possibly be wrong? And it's a fundamental misunderstanding. It's
also bizarrely, look, Democrats claim they care about women's rights, Well,
it turns out that is not true when it's dealing
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with women or girls being raped by radical Islamists. That
for them, in their Marxist hierarchy of oppression, being Palestinian,
being Taliban, being Isis is much more oppressed than being women.
So women's rights go out the window in the leftist hierarchy.
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But it's not just the child brides and the humanitarian
victims from Afghanistan. It is the very real risk of
terror attacks here. I want to play this podcast Verdict
in September of twenty twenty one. Here's what we were
covering un Verdict in September twenty one. Give a listen.
So everyone assumes the camps where the evacuees are taken
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are secure facilities. Process they're wide open and they are
free to go anywhere they want, and the Biden administration
apparently doesn't care if these are adult men with little
girls who they are sexually assaulting. The vetting is so
half asked that there is a very real risk that
if even one or two Jihads are in the mix,
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that we could see a suicide bomb like we saw
in Afghanistan, but in an American mall or restaurant.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
If they're letting people hop on these planes who have
been convicted of crimes in the United States, it's surely
the vetting is not top notch. And it's not as
though they're only going to Fort blizz They're going all
around the country.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
By the way, it's spot on, they're going all around
the country. Fast forward to literally what we're dealing with
now in this administration where they're like, well, okay, yeah,
we had this attack, and oh there's another guy that
was talking about want to do another attack. But hey,
at least we can somehow Jedi mind trick you into
believing that somehow this is Donald Trump's fault, because that's
what the media did at first. And I think you've
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got to connect these dots her center. The media is
trying to say that these National guardsmen that got shot,
one of them has died as the time we are
doing this, it happened. They're trying to say because of
Donald Trump rewriting the history and the warnings going back
to as we just played there for September of twenty
twenty one on this exact thing happening in reality.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah. At the same time, I wrote an op ed
and Fox News where I said, unfortunately, I believe we
will see American blood spilled because of these foolish mistakes,
and I went on to say the truth is that
the Taliban doesn't want to be welcomed into the community
of civilized nations. They are vicious terrorists who want to
kill us. Unfortunately, because of the catastrophic mistakes the Biden
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administration made in Afghanistan. We are much more at risk
for deadly attacks by the Taliban or Al Qaeda, which
Pentagon officials estimate could regroup in Afghanistan in the next
year or two. It's a disgrace and the fault lies
directly with President Joe Biden and his administration. This was
obvious at the time. And look you heard on that
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clip in September twenty one, I'm talking about seeing the
Donyana tent facility. When I showed up there, I was like, well,
are there any fences around it? No? Is there any bearer?
They're like none, This is not a prison facility. And
it was a one star general who was taking me
around with the helicopter. And I'm like, well, you know
what happens. You're saying anyone can leave. He's like, yeah,
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they're not detained. This is just we're just offering them housing.
Think of this like an apartment complex. They can't stay here.
If they want or if they want to go somewhere else,
they can go. They can go somewhere else. And I yeah,
And I asked the Army, are y'all doing any vetting here?
That they said no, no, no, The State Department does that Afghanistan,
so it's all done before they get there. So they
got ten thousand people there and who knows where they went.
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They don't keep a record of them that they don't
ask where do you go? I mean, that's part of
the infuriating problem that the Biden administration invited into this country. Islamists,
terrorists who explicitly want to murder us. And by the way,
you know what is unbelievable is the shooting in d
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C was one of two yeah Afghans who were arrested
this week for threatening violence. Another one happened in Texas.
Here's one report from Breitbart. An Afghan national admitted to
the United States under President Biden's Operation Allies Welcome Resettlement
program was arrested this week after posting a TikTok video
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in which he appeared to be building a bomb and
referenced Fort Worth as a target, according to the Department
of Homeland Security. Department of Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Tricia
McLaughlin reported the arrest of Mohammed da wood Alo Kase,
saying he allegedly posted a video on TikTok threatening to
blow up a building in Fort Worth, Texas with a bomb.
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The Texas Department of Public Safety of the FBI Joint
Terrorism Task Force teamed up to make the arrest on
charges of making terroristic threats. This is happening, and by
the way, it continues to be. Alo Kase is an
Afghan national who was pardoned into the United States by
the Biden administration. His arrest came one day prior to
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the a vicious attack on two West Virginia National Guard
soldiers in Washington, d c. By another Afghan national. This pattern,
when you let people in, you don't vet them. This
violence and this terrorism is predictable. And you had a
combination of a for four years, an open southern border,
so any Hamas or HESBLO or other terrorists could come
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in through the southern border.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
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You combine what we're witnessing now with what you just mentioned.
Center At the Southern border, we knew for a fact
that people on the Terrace watch list were coming across
our southern border, the same border that when Texas tried
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to secure it, the federal government said no, no, We're going
to use forklists to raise up the Bob Weier to
let more people, and we have that on video, we
talk about that on verdict. They knew that people were
getting it on the terrorists watch list, people that wanted
to kill Americans. Well, they knew there was a real
threat of sleeper cells in this country coming from multiple.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Places around the world. And there still is. Al Shabab
exactly still is.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
And you combine that with this, and you sit there
and you go basically they said, look, we know people
are gonna die, but we want an open border. We
know terroifts are coming in, we know they're on the
watch list. We know we're catching some of them. There's
a lot of guidaw ways that we don't catch. This
is just the cost of doing business. There will be
human carbage of American citizens', abusive children, the rape of children,
the sex traffigany of children. There will be murderers and
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all sorts of people in this country. We know that
it's worth it to flood America with illlegal immigrants. That
was a calculated decision they made.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
It was and the two occurred simultaneously. So one on
the one hand, they're opening the southern border and letting
anyone come in, yep. But on the other hand, they're
affirmatively flying ten of thousands of Afghans. And by the way,
we don't have any firm numbers in terms of how
many they brought in. In terms of vetting, you know,
you don't have anyone from the Biden administration saying, oh, yeah,
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we thoroughly vetted this guy before we brought him here,
because their view was there was nothing to vet. If
they're bringing a fifty year old dude with an eight
year old girl that he says is his wife, that
shows you how utterly incompetent the vetting is. That they
just didn't care. Ideologically, they believed, well, their culture apparently
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it's okay to rape little girls, and and so they
certainly were not asking engaging in the serious vetting. And
it's difficult. Look, one of the problems with vetting a
place like Afghanistan is there are limited records, and so
that's not an easy task. And my view, unless you
can conclusively determine that this person is not a terror threat,
we should not be bringing him to America. And so,
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but the Biden administration I don't believe was even trying
to vet them in any serious way. They were just
bringing in numbers because this was all about politics rather
than the substance of keeping America safe.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
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I want to go back to a little over a
year ago, and let's just remind people of the Democratic
Party and also how we got to the point that
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we're at right now.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Well, this just shows the overlap we were talking about
before that Ideologically, Today's Democrat Party refuses to acknowledge the
threat of radical Islamic terrorism, refuses to acknowledge radical Islam
and that it is fundamentally anti American. And so in
April twenty four, there were protesters in Dearborn, Michigan for
the and it was the International Al Kudds Day rally
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Dearborn Michigan is in Rashida to Leeds district. She is
the member of Congress that represents Dearborn Michigan. You have
a rally interdistrict channing death to America. And Fox News
quite reasonably came and asked her if she would condemn that. Uh,
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give a watch and give a listen to how she responded,
I love.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Their regard.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Red red love.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Not a great look.
Speaker 8 (29:18):
The mayor condemned it, the White House condemned it. But
what about Congresswoman Rashida to leave she Repsteerborn. Is she
okay with her constituents chanting death to America? Fox Business
correspondent Hillary Vaughan asked her watch congressmenan.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
To Lee Fox News, I don't talk to Fox Snood.
At a rally in your district, people were chanting death
to America? Do you condemn talk to Fox News?
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Do you condemn chance of death to America?
Speaker 6 (29:47):
I don't talk to people that use racist trunks.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
Why can't you just say whether or not you condemn
people chanting death to me?
Speaker 6 (29:55):
Why are you afraid to talk to Fox News? Is
not listen using racist tropes?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Where us?
Speaker 6 (30:02):
My community is what fox shoos is about? And I
don't talk to Fox News. Is death to America? Racists?
Is chanting death to America?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Racist?
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Talking about your guys racist tropes. You know, you guys
know exactly what you do. I know you're from Polk,
but you guys gotta go deal with it. You're on
your own self. You're not gonna use me.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
All right, Sinner.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
You go back to that, and it's just one of
those moments where the warning signs are there, where we
tell you that these warning signs are there, and then
it happens, and I hate it that it happens, but
it's so predictable.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Now, you know.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
It reminds me when when Obama was president, John Carey
was Secretary of State. There was an editorial cartoon and
it had the Iotolin Iran going death to America, and
it had John Carey saying, well, can we meet you halfway? Yeah,
that's the ideological incoherence. Look, when you walk down the
halls of Congress, and you've been there with me, ben
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reporters stop you all the time. By the way, I
answer questions from Fox News, I answer questions from CNN,
I answer questions New York Times, I answer questions from
every lefty outlet, just walking along, because if you know
what you believe, I gotta say, that's not a gotcha question.
It's not a difficult question. Do you support death to America?
If you are a member of the United States Congress,
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the Congress of the United States of America, one would
think it ought to be easy to say, Yeah, of
course death to America is wrong. I'm against that. That
should not be difficult for anyone. It speaks volumes that
Rashida Talib was unwilling to even condemn chance of death
to America in her own congressional district. That shows just
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how dangerous the ideological rod is and tragically, we saw
the very real consequences of that ideological rod in letting
unvetted Afghan Afghan immigrants into this country, one of whom
just murdered one DC National Guardsman and may have murdered
a second. We pray that he survives, but at this
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point our prayers are with him because we don't know
if he's going to survive the horrific attack.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
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