Episode 37: Talking Yankees with Jack Curry of YES Network

Chris is joined by YES Network's Jack Curry to discuss their Fordham connection, Jack's road to working on the New York Yankees beat, and the great Yankee teams that Jack covered.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hey, what's going on. It's Chris Carino. This is the
voice of the Nets podcast. Thank you for tuning in,
Thank you for listening and subscribing. We're heading into the
final week of the regular season for Brooklyn. The NBA
playoffs would be starting after that. Next week, we'll do
a deep dive into a season and review and a
playoff preview and bringing on Tim Capstraw Sarah Kustock. We'll

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talk about that, get into that next week. The Nets.
Brooklyn Bridges mckel bridges the player of the week in
the Eastern Conference, helping lead the Nets to three consecutive
wins this week, putting them just a magic number of
two away from clinching the sixth spot in the Eastern Conference.
So while we have this little lull though, the little

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lull before the start of the NBA playoffs, thought it'd
be a great idea to bring on one of my
Fordham broadcasting brothers, the great Jack Curry from Yes Network.
You see him covering the Yankees and being on that
Yankee studio pre and postgame show throughout the course of

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the baseball season. Jack is the author of three books
he won with David Kane called Full Count another with
Paul O'Neill called Swinging Ahead, and his latest book comes
out in May. It's called The nineteen ninety eight Yankees,
The Inside Story of the Greatest Baseball team Ever. I

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am a lifelong Yankee fan. Jack Curry has an interesting
broadcasting career. We'll get into the origins of it, talk
about his interest and so much more. I thought this
was a really fun conversation. Hope you enjoy it too.
With Yes Networks, Jack Curry right here on the Voice

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of the Nets. So, Jack Curry, it's so great to
have you on here the Voice of the Nets. But
I want to admit you're not the first Hudson Catholic
High School of Jersey City, where you went to school.
You're not the first Hudson Catholic grad that we've had
here on the program. Do you want to venture a
guest as to who the other guy might have been?

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I'm going to guess that it would have been the
great Jim Spinarcle, who here and you guessed incorrectly, Michael Corn.
Michael Corn. There we go. Wow, Wow, I had a
Jim would have been the other one had a fifty
fifty chance of being correct, And I and I whiffed.
Give me an f on that one. Are there other
other other famous Hudson Catholic alums that we can go

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to besides Michael Cornson's menarcle and Jack Curry? Well, there
there are, Chris. But now you've put me on the
spot because if I don't mention everyone under the sun,
I'm going to get texts emails saying why didn't you
mention me? Yeah, we can't. We got to cut that out,
all right. But I do know the thing that you
and I have in common, obviously, is that we're both
part of the Fordham Broadcast thing mafia. Your class of

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what at eighty six? Eighty six? All right, I'm I'm
I'm ninety two. You would have been in the era
of like Bob Poppa, Right, was Bob? I believe it was?
Was he uh at WFUV with you? Bob and I
both graduated in eighty six. Bob was the play by
play voice. I was the analyst, color commentator, whatever you

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want to call it. So we did a ton of football,
a ton of basketball, and I used to marvel at
how good Bob was at his job. Even at that age.
I was trying to understand what defenses teams were playing
against Fordham to be able to talk about how that
backdoor play worked out, and Bob was so smooth. I'm

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not surprised at all at the levels that he has
reached in his career, because you could see that when
he was twenty twenty one years old and I took
over for Bob as the voice of the Nets. Bob's
a long time radio voice of the Giants. And interestingly,
I actually got an internship with Bob my senior year
at Fordham, and that's how I kind of my foray

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into things. But it's interesting also because my partner when
I was broadcasting games for Fordham in the late in
the early nineties was Mike Puma, who's the beat writer
for the New York Post so for the Mets. So
it was like I had a Mets, a future Mets
writer long time with me and Bob and you a

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future Yankees writer down the road. Kind of really symbiotic relationships.
We've had here, a little interesting comparison there, and we've
got some more similarities. And I don't know what Puma's
stance was or what his approach was, and I know
Mike very well obviously, and I don't know about you either.
When I was at Fordham, Chris, for me, it was

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both journalism on the print and broadcast side I was
interested in because I thought it meant twice as many
jobs when I got out of college. I should say
twice as many job opportunity. We'll see if any of
those panned out. But I always thought I was a
better writer. I always thought that journalism on the print
side was where I would land, and I ended up
at the New York Times for over twenty years. But

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now I've had this second life at Yes, where I've
been for about thirteen or fourteen years. So I appreciate
all that Fordham helped give me and building up that
strong background, you know, and you were you know, nowadays
all the writers become in front of the camera at
some point, you know, that became that became the thing.

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Now you have to kind of do that to South,
you know, for your career. You are like the first
guy that I remember that made that jump, and it
was a little bit of a like people took a
step back and went wow. Jactually even the Times he's
one of the great, one of the great baseball writers
at the New York Times and he's leaving that to

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go to the y S network, you know, number one,
to go on a team side, and then also to
being in front of the Cameron Being studio. You're a
kind of groundbreaking in that regard. Was it a big
risk for you at the time? Did you think it's
a great question? Chris. I had been at The Times
for twenty two years and thought that I would spend

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my entire career there. I always had people nudging me
towards TV, and one of these people you know very well,
Michael Kay, another Fordam grad and the play by play
voice of the Yankees. He would continually say to me,
you should try TV, you should try TV. As much
as I loved the Times, I thought I had accomplished

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as much as I might accomplished there. I wasn't sure
there were a lot more mountains to scale there. So
it started to resonate with what Michael said. So I
actually consulted Michael's agent at the time, Steve Lefkowitz, a
man who has since passed away, and he said to me,
I can help you get a job in TV. I'm
not going to lie. The Times was offering a buyout

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that helped make it more appealing because I had a
cushion to fall back on if the TV thing didn't
work out right away and Leftwoodz got me four interviews,
and the S network was the most interested in me.
And was there a risk involved? Sure, I was a
print guy moving over to the broadcast side. But I
think what helped me Chris was I had been a
guest on so many shows as New York Times baseball

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writer or New York Times Baseball columnists that the fear
or the tension or the nervousness about being on TV
that had disappeared. I remember one interview I did with
Bruce Beck where I fumbled some words and really felt
as if I did a poor job on TV. And
I said to myself, wait a second, I'm a sportswriter
who's popping onto TV. I'm not supposed to be great

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at this. And that allayed any fear as I had
going forward, And to this day I still feel that
way that the camera and the red light going on,
and the tension and the pressure of maybe having to
talk about something controversial, it just happened in the game.
I thank Bruspect for that interview many years ago, because
that caused me to say, just go out there and

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have fun, just be yourself. Everybody's got a great bruspect
story in this town. Um, He's helped a lot of
guys kind of make that transition too. Uh, you know,
it just touched I'm gonna go back to where the
roots of you were broadcasting in journalism, even before Hudson
Catholic where it came into. But you mentioned the Times

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and your time as a writer of the Times, just
to tie in a little Nets connection. There's been There's
been so many great writers who made their start as
a NETS beat writer. I mean from you know, not
that Wog was a beat writer, but I knew Wos
from being around with the Record or you know. And

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uh years ago Chris Broussard started with the with the
York Times. Lee Jenkins was on the net beat. I
mean they you know, other guys Dennis d Agustine, Uh well,
Dennis Dagastino with the n a PR guy, but Dave Delasandro,

(09:07):
another Fordham guy, Fred Kerber was on that beat for years.
So you started it was what was your first beat
with the Times? So, Chris, when I started at the Times,
it was nineteen eighty seven. I was twenty two years old,
and they hired me as something called a writing clerk,

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which basically meant I did a lot of clerical work,
answering phones, getting coffee, perhaps doing research for other reporters.
That was a thirty five hour a week job. On
my free time. I could do all the writing that
I wanted. But of course it was the New York Times,
which meant anytime you wanted to pitch a story, you
had to send an editor an outline and you had
to tell them why that story was valuable. But that

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job made me really hungry, and getting inside the doors
of the New York Times and seeing how things operated.
You know this from from your own career. Once you
get inside somewhere, you start to feel that you belong.
And that's what happened for me as a young writer
at the Times. I would be thrilled if they allowed

(10:12):
me to write three hundred words about a college basketball game.
I remember I went to a press conference and Rick
Smitz was still in college, and I think I wrote
two paragraphs for The New York Times. And the fact
that I'm telling you this, however, many years later, this
is it shows you how much that meant to me
and how impactful that was. So that lasted about two
years where you had to prove to them that you

(10:34):
could actually be a full time reporter. Then they put
me on college basketball in college football, and I did
that for about a year. My heart was always in baseball.
I was always trying to convince them that baseball was
where I needed to land. But in ninety one they said,
we want you to start out on the next Just
as you mentioned, it became a beat where a lot

(10:54):
of people got their start, not only the ones you mentioned,
but Mike Wise of the time Times was a NETS
beat writer. Selena Roberts was a NETS beat writer. So
I loved being on a beat. Bill Fitz was the coach.
I still to this day have a ton of respect
for him for how much he taught me. Willis Reid

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was an executive and he was kind to a young
guy who probably maybe didn't always ask the best questions.
It was Derek Coleman's rookie year, so I covered everything
about Derek Coleman, broke the story that he was signing
with the NETS for I think it was a five year,
fifteen million dollar deal at the time, so it was
a great learning experience for me. The team was not great,

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and so you had to find stories and you had
to find ways to help make that team interesting. And
after I did that for a year, the Times moved
me over to a backup baseball writer. But then midway
through the ninety one season, I took over the Yankee
Beat and I've been covering baseball ever since. And just
as that, that first NETS team that you covered was

(12:02):
kind of setting that. It was the seeds being planted
for a NET team that was pretty good. Quickly right
after that, you know, they draft Kenny Anderson. The next year,
they hired Chuck Daly, They make the trade for Draws
and Petrovitch, and then they were a little snake bit there.
You know. Eventually, you know, Draws and passed away, Kenny
would get hurt. The whoopie, damn do the whole thing.

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You know. It kind of it was a it was
always yeah, great great writers came through those doors and
got their start. Um Jack before that, let's let's let's
let's veer back to the seeds that were planted for
you to eventually where you would be uh, Jersey City guy,

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um on the on the type of guy I was
I was eleven, I used to do games into a
tape recorder, and eventually that became my career. I always say,
if you can make a living doing something you did
for fun you were eleven, you've got it pretty much
figured out. What about you? What's your origin story into
getting into the business in sports? So I grew up

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on a block in Jersey City, Bleaker Street, where I
had six really close friends. I didn't have the tape
recorder out Chris, but if you asked my friends when
we were growing up, if we played a game of
whiffleball or stickball, I had to do the lineups. We
couldn't just have a game. I had to say, you're
going to be the Cincinnati Red. So it was Pete
Rose leading off, and then it was Joe Morgan, it

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was Johnny Bench. So the seeds of broadcasting started there.
And when I was in the seventh grade my elementary school,
Saint Anne's, I went up to an English teacher one
dan said, how come we don't have a school newspaper?
And I thank this English teacher that he said, why
don't you start one? And I did with his help,
I started a school newspaper. Now it was nothing elaborate.

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It was a couple of pages. But that feeling of
writing something and having people comment on it and liking
or disliking something you had written, that's an adrenaline rush.
And I imagine being twelve or thirteen years old and
everybody in school is reading what you just wrote, so
that print love started there. And like everybody in the

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Tri state area or in the country probably who likes baseball,
I always thought I wanted to be a baseball player,
but I was always mature enough to know you'd better
have other things to think about. So high school sports editor,
college sports editor went to one baseball practice at Fordham,
surveyed the field. Thought I would make the team as
a backup, but then said, what is that going to

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do for you? This is four or five six hours
a day. You're just getting acclimated to college. So I
always when I speak to young journalists, I always say,
if you know what you want to do at an
early age, as you just said when you were eleven,
it really is an advantage. Chris and my wife and
I have this discussion because she worked in the business side,
did a lot of marketing, and she said, well, some

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kids don't know what they want to do. I said,
I understand that I'm just saying from my side of things.
By the time I was thirteen, I knew I would
be in the sports world somewhere, most likely as a journalist.
Did you play high school baseball? I played high school
baseball at Hudson Catholic for three years. I started in
my senior year. It took into my senior year to

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find a starting nod. I was a decent to good
high school baseball player. I didn't make All County or
anything like that, but I started and had a decent
senior season. And as I said, I went to one
Fordham baseball practice. They didn't have a field on campus
at that time, and lasted about four and a half hours.
No door dash, no uber eats. Back then I got

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back to campus, there was no place to find any food. Sure,
I could have walked over to Pugsley's and gotten a
slice of pizza, But it actually was a watershed moment
in my life because the next day it was off
to the ram, off to WFUV and go in some
places where I was probably going to be better than
just a I who was on the bench. Did you
go to Fordham for the for the you know, with

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the idea in mind of being a writer and working
at WFUV. The schools that I considered were Fordham, Syracuse,
and Temple visited. Temple visited Fordham canceled the visit to Syracuse.
I said, Fordham felt like home for me. The radio
station was fantastic. I love the pedigree, I love the history,

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the alums. I as a city kid growing up in
Jersey City, I wanted to go somewhere, and Fordham as
its own oasis within the Bronx. But I liked being
in the Bronx. I like the availability of the city
and the ability to get back to Manhattan whenever you
wanted to. So it took one visit to Fordham to

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convince me that that was the place for me. And
you know, Fordham has so many broadcasting alums, you know,
because there's always that that rivalry with Syracuse and Fordham.
And I always said that the thing about Fordham is
it's not just that guys like Bob Popham, Michael Kay
who we've mentioned already here on the on the show, uh,

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Mike Breen, you know Ryan Ruco spirodidas Mike Yam, All
these guys that are working in the business. It's not
so much that we went to Fordham together, but we
also are New Yorkers. Were like in this we're from
the Tri State area. And I think that's sort of
the because people always think of that bond of Fordham,

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you know, even Tony really another one. Um, there's this
New York metropolitan area sort of sensibility that that made
us kind of choose for them. Like my dad gave
me the advice of well, where do you want to
be when you get out of school? And I said, well,
I want to be in New York. And they said,
he goes, well, why are you going to go any
place else outside of New York to go to school?

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And I think we all kind of went in there,
all of us that were all these names were mentioning
we went to Fordham for the same reason like we're
we grew up Yankee fans or Giant fans or Nick
fans and Ned fans, and we just we wanted to
stay in the area and that was what led us
to Fordham, and then that actually led us into these
different jobs with these teams. So it's I always thought

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that that was it. It's the new York area connection,
even as much as it is the Fordham connection. I
love the way that you describe that. I totally agree
with you all of those people that you just mentioned.
I'm sure we're forgetting some others. I would throw John
John Gianone as well from MSG in. There a great
advice by your dad. And I also give your dad

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credit for having that confidence in you, because plenty times
I will tell young journalists if you're from Boston or
New York or DC, sometimes you do have to leave
the area in order to come back. I'm good friends
with Don Burke. He was a former Yankee Beat writer
who's now an editor at the Post. His son, Brendan,
as a rising star. He's played I play for the Islanders.

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Just announced he's got a new baseball gig coming up.
But Brendan was one who had to go do some
minor league baseball, some minor league hockey to work his
way back. So what your dad said, though, that definitely
resonates because I was the same way. I didn't want
to leave this area. I mean, look at all the teams.
We have the opportunity to latch onto and cover and

(19:23):
be impactful and whatever area of the sports journalism field
you end up in. Well. I also feel like we
connect to the audience in this area. You know, they
know us, they know us as one of their own,
without being homers like like you would see in some
smaller markets. I know that I had a forensics coach
in high school who had to drill the the Yonker's

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accent out of me. You know, the word is the
word is taught, not taught, you know, like I get
rid of that, So you want to hear my word? Yes,
I had a thick Jersey City accent and one of
the first sports reports I did, I talked about the
Knicks playing a team called the Lakes, and they said,

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you can't say Lakes, it's the Lakers, so much like you.
It didn't happen until I got to ford him. I
had to really concentrate on cleaning up the way that
I pronounced things and trying not another word was a
sk X say X he axed him. It's not axed,
it's asked him. So we're in the same boat with that. Yes, Yes,

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I have a wife from Brooklyn who had the same
issue with ask and X. Yeah. Same, You mentioned your
I talked about my dad. We were talking off before
we came on, I mentioned that my dad had saved
the Hank Aaron back pages of the Daily News and
we got him signed at a card show back in

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in the Westchester County Center, and I lost my dad
a while back in. I always connect with that moment
and having that And I remember also him going to
the Reggie Jackson three home run game. And I was
only seven years old, so I wasn't allowed to go
with him that night. It was at night, but my
mom did let me stay up late to watch it,
so I eggened it up. It was past my bedtime,

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but I ended up being able to stay up late
to watch Reggie's three home run game. And you know,
talk about being in this area too. I went to
Game six of the eighty six World Series with my dad.
You know, we weren't even met fans, and we hated
the Red Sox obviously because we were Yankee fans, but
you know, we were there in the building when the
ball went through Buckner's legs. Do you have similar stories
from your childhood in baseball? I do. The first person, though, Chris,

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who probably indoctrinated me to baseball was my brother. I
have an older brother he's two years older than me.
My dad was not a huge sports fan. My mother
was probably a bigger sports fan than my dad. But
once it started with my brother loving sports, and principally
baseball and then me, my parents seized upon that and
they saw an avenue of interest and they try to

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foster that as much as possible. So it was going
to his many baseball games as we could when we
were kids, and that often meant trying to see a
double header, and because we felt like we got we
got more bang for our buck. And then you mentioned
your dad passing away. I lost my mom and dad
a while ago. I mean my mom passed to ninety four,
my dad passed a ninety five. But after my father

(22:22):
passed away, going through some of his belongings and just
getting things organized for what we wanted to save. My
father had a huge stack of scrap books that I
never even knew that he kept, and he just wrote
on the front Jack's articles, Jack's articles. So he was
cutting out my articles from the New York Times and
taping them into this scrap book. And even as I

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tell you that story, I get choked up because it's
just his pride was obvious, and this was something he
did on his own and never even told me about.
So I always tell people and I'm sure maybe you
feel the same way, and what we do what we do. Unfortunately,
we were in the public eye, so some people meet
us and maybe they say that they like something that

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we do. My comment to them always is, if you
like anything about me, it's because of my parents. It's
because of what the groundwork that my parents laid. So
if you give me a compliment, it's really a compliment
to my mom and dad. My father was always trying
to keep me grounded and always told me that the
broadcasting thing, well, you know, it really doesn't work out

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for a lot of people. And it was always very
much if you want me to pay for college, you
better go get a degree in something that you can use.
And I I went to the business school at Fordham
actually have an accounting degree. Bob Papa did the same thing.
I think Papa business sid degree. Yeah, I think he was.
I think he's a business school which is now the
Cabelli School. But the only thing I learned in four

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years of accounting is I didn't want to be an accountant. Act.
I think it drove me more to be better at
broadcasting and h But my mother was always on the
other side of your father. He's he tells everybody, you know,
when you're on the radio at Fordham, like he he
tells everybody, But he tried with you. He tries to
be very much like, yeah, you know, you better have
a backup plan kind of thing. I have to share

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what I have to share one quick story with you.
That's sort of similar to that. So my mother born
raised Jersey City, never left. That was her home. For
three summers at Fordham, I had a internship at the
Jersey Journal, the local newspaper. I covered little league games,
wreck basketball games, whatever was going on in Jersey City.

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I was the little local high school reporter or a
recreation reporter. My mother loved it because that was her newspaper.
All of her friends kids were playing. She called me Jackie.
Here was Jackie writing about so and so's kid. So
after Fordham, I got a job at the Star Ledger
for a year, and then I got the job at

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the Times. And I still remember to this day ending
in my parents' kitchen and telling my mother, Mom, I
got the job at the New York Times, and her
reaction was very muted. I said, Mom, it's the New
York Times, and she said, oh, I missed the days
when you wrote for the Jersey Journal. Okay, it's a

(25:18):
little bit of an upgrade here, but okay, I get it.
You wanted me to write about John Smith's kid in
Little League. But you're You're going to see some good
stories in the Times. That's great, that's great. Um, you
know you started then and then we get through your
you know you end up all the way here. Yes,
network now. But you're also an author, and you've written
some books and Yankee books. Um, is writing book hard

(25:44):
for you? I think writing a book, Chris, is hard
for anyone, and if every author that I've spoken to,
it's very hard. There was a great line that I
read recently, and I forget who said it, but I'm
going to repeat it. There was a famous author or
writer and someone said to them do you like writing?

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And the person's response was, I like having been written?
And I totally associate with that. But I do love it.
I love reporting, I love the research. I love sitting
down and writing. But a book is an undertaking. And
when I have a full time job, yes, and I
have to focus on that too. It becomes a challenge,

(26:27):
but it's a challenge that I chose. I'm signing the contract.
I'm agreeing to do it. The last book I did
that's coming out in May, the nineteen ninety eight Yankee Book.
I agreed to do that knowing that I had about
ten months to get that done, and I was not
going to do a cut and pace job. I wasn't
going to go back to my old articles and just
regurgitate things. I was going to interview or try to

(26:49):
interview every guy on that team and some competitors and
managers and coaches. So I did a lot of the
reporting and research during the season, Chris, but I did
not write a word until the Yankee season ended, which
was mid to late October, and the book was due
on December first. So I wrote seventy to seventy five

(27:09):
thousand words, and I was a little late on deadline.
I wrote it in about in about eight or nine weeks,
and that that was a crunch. That was I'm sure
you've had projects in your life where you've done this,
but this was get up, eat a bowl of cereal,
going to the office for the next twelve hours and
never leave, just just grind away at writing this. But

(27:31):
I do enjoy it. I'm not trying to paint a
dreary picture. I enjoy the process. I've had a great
editor that I work with, and I'm really proud of
the ninety eight book because i think there are items
and stories and interview topics in there that people are
going to enjoy because it's new material. That is that
is coming out right, that is not can they pre

(27:51):
order that? They can pre order that. I would love
it if someone pre ordered to pick your favorite bookseller.
I'm a That's the other thing about writing book. Once
you finish it, do not hesitate to promote the heck
out of it because you want people to see your work.
But yeah, you can preorder it now, but it's it'll
be available on May second it comes out, So now

(28:12):
is it because of the twenty fifth year? Is that?
Was that the impetus Publishers love anniversaries And my editor
is a gentleman named Sean Desmond with Hachette Publishing, And
when he asked me about it, I said, oh, that's
a that's a no brainer for me. I covered that team,
I was around those guys. I can get those guys
on the phone, I can sit down with some of them.

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I think that's a wonderful story to tell, and I
think people will be interested in it. I think people
will want to hear about that team. I call it
right on the cover of the book, the greatest team ever.
And I think that throughout that book we make that case,
and not just with my voice, with other people chiming
in as to why they think it was the best
team ever. Yeah, I have a I have a autographed

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Mariano Rivera photo on my wall of him on his
knees after they win the World Series in ninety eight.
You know, you know, the photo of his arms in
the air and he's on his knees, and iconic photo.
He's one in my book. If we're talking about the
same picture, I'm pretty sure that pictures in the book.
He was always my I thinking of all the athletes

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I've ever rooted for, watched, or covered, I I don't
know if I ever respected an athlete's greatness more than
I have a Marianna Rivera. I always tell kids. I
spoke to an elementary school class a couple weeks ago
and they asked me who was my favorite person to interview.
I always picked David Cohen because because of his genius

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and his wisdom. I wrote a book with David. But
right there with David because of how comfortable he made
you feel was Mariano Rivera. I never felt as if
it was an interview an interview. I always felt as
if it was a discussion. And one quick story on Mariano,
my wife happened to meet him in two thousand and nine.

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They happened to be on the same flight, and I
told Pamela, don't bother him, don't bother him, don't bother him.
He's a gentleman, but don't bother him. Of course, she says, hello,
he was. They were both flying out to the West coast.
He must have stayed behind for the all star break
and then I don't even know the machinations of it,
but they were on the same flight. So when I
next saw Mariano, she was still away on her business trip,

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and he said, I saw your wife more recently than
you did, which we had a little chuckle about it.
He would ask me about her every week or every
two weeks, and it just so happens. She ended up
having a medical issue that year and I I was
kind of in a depressed state one day, and the
day he asked me, I just said, without giving him
a ton of details, I said, she's kind of fighting

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something medically, Mariano, but I'll tell you said hello, And
he just said, please tell her I'm praying for her,
which again just a wonderful gesture from him. Forget about
all that. Yankees get to the postseason, Chris. They win
the two thousand and nine World Series. There's such a
rush of media around Mariano's locker that they bring him
to a side room to do an interview. I happened

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to be with the time still, and I was one
of the first people to get near him. I started
to ask him the first question, and he said, Jack,
hold on, before you ask me. I've been meaning to
ask you, how is your wife doing? And he's not
a phony. That was not something he did for the
cameras because nobody else knew. Here was a guy who
just had the one of the greatest moments of his

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career for the whatever fifth time, and he's asking me
how my wife was doing. So I tell that story
as often as possible because it tells you how much
of a gentleman Mariano is, and how much humility he had.
He's probably the greatest ever at a position that is
so unique in sports. And talk about humble beginnings, like, yeah,

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some people come from humble beginnings because in their childhood
they had they had things. But I mean he was
like he was like eighteen and he was still using
a cardboard glove in Panama. Like it's unbelievable how late
his career began. I sat next to his locker at
Yankee Stadium in nineteen ninety six, and what you just referenced.

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I said to him, take me back to Panama. What
was it like growing up in Panama? And he reached
into his locker and took out the top of a
shoe box and he said, this is what I would
use for my glove. And I want to say, I
want to say I was the first person to ever
report that. I know that that story has become a
part of his lore, but this was his first full season,

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and I remember as a reporter, you get excited when
you know you have something electric. And when he took
that cardboard top out of his locker, I said, Okay,
I gotta lead to this story. This is going to
be something that everybody's gonna want to read. Jack, how
do you part of the allure of what we do
is we get to be in the ballpark for games.

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You're in the studio. It kind of has taking you
out of that. How do you connect with the team
to do your job? And do you miss not being
in the ballpark during the games? All great questions, and
I think what does help us now is as much
as we all love face to face communication, a lot

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of our communication these days is done on our phone.
I know for a fact, and I don't want to
I don't want to say the person's name, But I
texted someone in uniform, someone who wears a Yankee uniform,
about an hour and a half before the game yesterday,
and I got a response an hour before the game

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a question I needed an answer on. So I don't
do that all the time, but I'm just giving you
that as an example of I wanted to confirm and
or double check on something and this person was kind
enough to get back to me. But face to face
communication is how I've been able to be good at
my job. So what I do a lot of the times,
Chris is I live in northern New Jersey, the YES

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Network studios or in Stanford, Connecticut, I try and go
Jersey to the Bronx, get some face time with players,
get some nuggets that I can take back to the
studio and use that on the air, Because You're right,
there's something about being around the players. There's something about
being at the stadium. We did our pregame in post

(34:29):
game from Yankee Stadium on Opening Day and just visually
looking around, I'm seeing this guy taking batting practice. I'm
seeing Anthony Volpi do this with the fans. So yeah,
that's something that I've got to make sure that I
still have those connections, and I do try to work
very hard at that. I didn't play the game. I'm
not a guy Paul O'Neill or David Khane or John

(34:52):
flaherty or Jeff Nelson or Todd Frazier who recently joined US.
I didn't play the game. But the response I always
come back with to people Chris about that in terms
of being an analyst is I've never thrown a ninety
five mile per hour fastball or tried to hit one.
But I've spoken to hundreds of players who have done both.
So I've got all that in my head from what

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they've told me, and I try to bring that to
the air well and being a communicator as you are
and thinking of things as a writer, you have a
way of connecting all those thoughts and articulating in a
way that the audience can understand that. Maybe you know,
that's a strength that people like you have that maybe

(35:34):
former athletes don't really have. I think, thank you for
saying that. I think that is valuable. And I also
think from having covered baseball for more than thirty years,
there really isn't something that happens in a game that
I haven't seen before and have had to comment on before,
I've had to write about before. And also from being

(35:55):
in clubhouses for all those years, you kind of have
a feel for what's going to happen in a clubhouse
after a game. And quite honestly, Chris and I was
talking to a couple of writers about this during spring training.
Baseball access has changed. The clubhouse used to be open
for three and a half hours before a game. It

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was a whopping amount of time, the best access and
professional sports. Now it's been reduced to an hour, and
you have players who during that hour they don't have
to be by their locker. So that's the other thing
when you asked me about reaching out and touching and
making sure that I see these guys. What was the
worst for me is if I make that journey from

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Jersey to the Bronx before I go to Stanford and
I'm standing there saying, they're five players by their locker here.
Come on, I need ten guys out here. But I'm
not complaining about the access. I appreciate any player who
stops and talks to us and knows that we're a
conduit to getting the word out to the viewers and
the fans. And I just try and do my best

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at strengthening previous relationships and forming new relationships. Yeah, and uh,
you know, baseball is such a it's it's the soundtrack
of the summer. You know, it's um people their whole summer.
They spend with you just seeing it's just it's on
the TV and they catch you after a game. And
that's why I really wanted to do this here as

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we get ready for you know, the baseball season is
just beginning. Uh, we're a little lull in the NBA season.
We kind of know where we're gonna be playoffs haven't
started yet, so that'd be a great time to connect
our our audience with you. Jack, and I know personally, Um,
you're a runner, right true, and I mean you run

(37:43):
away from situations. But you're a You're a You're run
the New York Marathon. I have what is it about?
I'd imagine there's something about running that's similar to how
you described writing a book, Um that maybe the process
is very hard, but you probably get a lot of
satisf action after it's over. I love to run, and

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you just hit on part of the reason why every
time I go for a run, Chris. First of all,
I always have the headphones and I got to listen
to some music. I want to hear the music to
help me along the way. But I also try and
tackle a topic or two in my head. Perhaps my
wife and I are going over something and there's an issue.

(38:24):
It could be something as simple as, hey, where do
you want to go on vacation next? Or Hey, we
might want to visit our cousins here. So it doesn't
it doesn't have to be some grand issue. But as
I said, I take that time to sort of figure
out how do I want to move forward on this
and I do kind of get lost. I don't really

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I mean, I might use my phone for music, but
I don't really want to have to respond to text
or calls while I'm doing that. And the reason I
started to get into running is very simple. My wife
had a surprise thirtieth birthday party for me, and when
I saw the pictures come back, I said, man, you're
too heavy. And so I've been running since I was thirty.

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So I've been running almost thirty years now, and I've
found if I do enough running, I can have that
bowl of ice cream and that donut and that whatever
when I feel like it and not feel guilty. And
you're you mentioned you're you're always got. You know, you're
listening to music as you do it, and that's probably
something that it's it's part of what what you enjoy
about it, right, you get that chance to And I

(39:28):
know if you follow Jack on Twitter, he's always putting
out the songs that he's been running to, you know,
or songs that are being played. If you're at the
stadium before a game or in spring training, and you'll
you'll comment on something and it's a you have a
wide interest, a wide array of musical taste, could you

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give us something that? Yeah, where does your your musical
taste come from? So again I mentioned my brother with baseball.
I had an older brother who and this is really
going to dat us, although I still like final I
had an older brother who was really, I think, ahead
of his time in listening to music and growing up
if you're from New Jersey. Of course we loved Springsteen

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and I still love Springsteen. I'm gonna go see him
on this tour. But my brother was a real new
wave punk fan, and I kind of gravitated to a
lot of those same bands of the Clash, the Ramons,
Elvis Costello, talking heads. But I have also tried to
keep up on music, and I'm a big reggae fan.

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I try to listen to things that I think I
would have listened to back then, So Cam and Paula,
Caged the Elephant, the nineteen seventy five. It's funny. People
are sometimes amused or surprised when I will drop a
song in there or a band and they'll say you
like them. I mean, I like rap music. There's a

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lot of rap that I still listened to. Back at Fordham.
It was it was run DMC and LLL cool J
and and then you move on to what people are
listening to these days. So yeah, I like listening to
anything and everything. I love live shows. When people talk
about all that we lost story in the pandemic, and
I mean some people lost loved ones, So I'm not

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trying to equate. But I missed going to see bands live.
That's something that is a real nice break for me.
And it's a way to get away sometimes from the
sports and just go listen to some live music. Yeah.
I know you'll you'll chat about on social media about
like little small venue you may have seen a band in.
What's the best little you know, outside of the big arenas,

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like a little venue that you like to see live music.
There was a place in Hoboken, New Jersey called maxwells Now.
The restaurant in the bar is still there. They they've
kind of streamlined the amount of music that they have.
I don't want to send them people away from them.
They might still have some bands there, but I saw
a lot of a lot of good bands there, and

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growing up in Jersey City that was only five or
ten from my house. I met my wife and Hoboken,
so I have a have a soft spot for Hoboken,
but Chris, honestly, any anywhere that you could hear some music.
I'm actually going to uh Red Rocks in Colorado and
a couple of weeks Historic Venue as historic venue that
I've always wanted to visit. And I'm going because Bob

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Marley's five sons are all performing together in a concert.
They're going to do some of their dad's music and
they're going to do some of their own music. Now,
I've seen Ziggy Marley a bunch of times, but I
have all five brothers. That's something that may never happen again.
So I'm making the trip out there to check that out. Yeah,

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and it's kind of a spiritual place to go, right
Red Rocks, Yes, it's it built into the into these
Red Rock Canyon mountain kind of thing out there in Colorado.
It's it's wild. I'm a huge Pearl Jam guy and
I just had there was a we did Stephen Hayden,
who's who's a music critic, had written a book about

(43:04):
Pearl Jam, and we just had him on the program
here a few weeks ago. And it's funny, I get
more texts about that show than any that I've done
so far, And he talked and in the book he
talked about this show. They were a few years into
their career, but how it was sort of a of
a turning point in their career, the way they approached
the show at Red Rocks and the one time they
played there. There's a couple of things. Funny music is

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you mentioned it here. There's a nostalgia quality to it,
much like baseball. I feel, you know, you mentioned your
brother got you into stuff. I hear that so much
about you know, baseball, it's a connection to my dad,
or it's a connection to my brother or whoever it
may be that got you into it. So a lot
of times people gravitate to the way it used to

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be and they and they, and they'll say, well, the
music isn't the same as when I listened to it.
And you you've embraced the new and you you're you're
into finding new things. And I think baseball is similar
to where you have all these rule changes coming in
and how do the old timers don't want the game changed?
And now here we are trying to change the game

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for the new generation. Some of the new things that
have been that have been so talked about in baseball.
You know, it's interesting that the pitch clock thing that
everybody talks about, it's been embraced universally, I think by
the old timers and the new guys. Let alone. Sports
riders just want the game to finish a little quicker.

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But I almost do it because the speeding up of
the game. It's actually reminding me the game now looks
way it used to look in the seventies and eighties,
where guys got it and through it. We've lost dead time, Chris,
that's all we've lost. And who needs a pitcher staring
in for signs? And I know they have the pitch

(44:57):
come now, who needs a batter fiddling with his batting gloves?
So I am on board with all of these changes.
I have a ton of respect for Buck shall Walter.
He was really the first manager that I ever covered
in the major leagues, and he spent a couple of
years with us in the studio. Yes, and Buck, I
thought said it perfectly. Everyone talks about the time of game.

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It's never been about the time or the length of
the game. It's been about the pace and the rhythm.
And Buck, while he was out of baseball, was on
he was involved in major leagues moving forward with rules
and things like that. I don't know the exact name
in the committee, but he kept talking about that, the
pace and the rhythm. And I've stolen that idea and

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have said the same exact thing, because we're not losing anything.
All we're losing is clutter. So now the game does
look like the way it did look in the sixties
or the seventies before everything just would grind to a halt.
So I saw some numbers today. I think through the
first four days of the season, the time of game
is by twenty eight minutes. So crazy, Sign me up.

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You're right. The pace is the thing, because I remember
watching some games on you know, Yes and put on
these classic games, and I remember I remember being struck
by the the Gidrey eighteen strikeout game against the Angels
that year, watching that again on Yes one time and
I go, wow, Gidrie just got the ball and through it,
got the balling through it. Like the pace is exactly right.

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The pace is what it is. And even when I
look at you know, people, they they you know, the
the shift. It's funny because I'm all for, you know,
you take whatever competitive advantage you can get and if
you're gonna work hard and you know where to place
the guys, it's great. But even the NBA over the years,

(46:46):
Listen added a three point line put in illegal defenses,
you know, change their way they you can guard a
player because you know you're saying, um, we want the
game to look better. And when I would watch a
game on TV, a baseball game, I remember, you know,
when you would see a ball off the bat, you

(47:09):
had a pretty good idea of whether or not it's
going to be a hit, right because you know, if
it's hit in the hole or it's hit up the middle,
it's going to be a hit. With these shifts and
the way they would be realigning the defense for every play,
for every at batter, I didn't know it was a
hit anymore off the bat, and it was. It was
actually affecting my enjoyment of the game. It became very

(47:31):
frustrating for a lot of people. Imagine being one of
those left handed hitters. I think of a mark to
share a big poppy. I though Chris thought that hitters
should have figured out a way to conquer the shift.
I know, and talking to Paul O'Neill, He talked about
how he learned to keep his hands in and sort
of guide the ball or try and swing a little

(47:52):
later and hit the ball the other way. But I
became a convert to eliminating extreme shifts after listening to
a lot of smart people, including theo Epstein. As you said,
there's a way that the game is supposed to be played.
There should be a shortstop playing shortstop who if he
does make a great play in the outfield, it's because
he dashed one hundred and fifty feet. It's not because

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he's standing right where the guy hits the ball eighty
percent of the time. So I am a fan of
the new rules and I think that the game is
going to improve because of it. I think we're going
to see more athleticism. I think we're going to see
more action, and I hope that that attracts the younger generation.
And that's a big part of what why baseball is

(48:35):
doing this. All Right, Jack Curry, we haven't even gotten
into the Yankees this year. There's a long way to go. Pitching,
maybe Eavy, We're already into bullpen games three games into
the year. This is how baseball has changed too, Right,
a little bit it's how it's changed. I mean, Clark
Schmidt only gave them three plus innings the other day,
so that's why they had to get into their bullpen early.

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Brito as a kid, they only used him five innings.
But Cole look good on opening Day. I think this
Yankee team is the best team in the division. What
they do have to do right now is they need
to tread water until Severino comes back, until they get
their first look at Rodan, until Bad comes back and
they can put him in the outfield. So you want

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to hope if you're the Yankees, that you've got your
complete team by some time in early May and have
a strong April. Go out there and nobody's saying you
have to go twenty and eight, but don't go twelve
and sixteen. Either figure out a way to have a
strong April and keep yourself solid until you get those
guys back. What about the idea of especially with more

(49:38):
people in the playoffs, more teams in the playoffs now
because people talk all the time about well, this team
is built for the regular season and not for the postseason,
or this team is built for a postseason. How can
you distinguish between the two and how can you how
can you build from one over the other. Derek Jeter
said something to me once that always resonates. He said,

(49:58):
the best team doesn't always win at all, the hottest
team does. So you want to figure out a way
that you are playing your best in October. And when
you look at some of the Yankees recent struggles and postseason,
the swinging miss comes up a lot, and they talked
about that in the offseason. They lost four games to

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the Houston Astros and the Alcs. Three of those games
are actually winnable games, and the fifty strikeouts across four
games is not something that you want to see happen.
They have power hitters, they have guys like Judge and
Stanton who are going to hit a ton of home runs,
but they're also going to have some swinging miss in
their games. So I do think it's important to try

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and put the ball in play. You need to have
a two strike approach. Even Judge this year in spring
training talked about that less of a leg kick with
two strikes. So I don't know that the magic formula exists.
Chris for getting to October and suddenly being able to
turn it on, but Elite open will help, and a
relentless lineup will help. I know from working on this

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nineteen ninety eight book. One of the words that came
up when both opponents and members of that team talked
about that team is that lineup was relentless. There was
nowhere to hide. One through nine. You have Brocius hitting
eighth or ninth and knocking in one hundred runs. So
it just sort of told you how relentless that lineup was. Yeah,
I think I just think that if they're gonna they

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that team was great in the regular season and the postseason. Yeah,
like it. You can't build for one or the other.
You might get hot, and you know, maybe people mistake
hot for being built for the postseason. But you know,
I think that was kind of if you're gonna build
a team that can win, and they should be able
to win in April and they should be able to
win in October, you know pretty much. I mean, I know,

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if you get one hot starter, it could take it
through a postseason. But Jack, before I let you go,
I subject all of my interview subjects to this. You
talk about relentless. Uh. The great Jim Valvano, the late
great coach, He had that speech at the spiece. Um

(52:10):
you know, they never give up speech. And that's always
been important to me in my life what I've gone through,
And I always ask everybody that he had said, you
need to do three things to have a full life,
three things every day to have a full life. You
need to laugh, you need to to cry or have
your emotions moved a little bit or and you need
to think, spend some time and thought. Um So I

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just I always throw this out there. What what is
something recently or something that what makes Jack Curry laugh?
What's your sense of humor? Like? It's a great question.
And that Valvanos speech, by the way, talk about something
that stayed with you that moment and stays with you forever.

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And if we could all follow that credo, I think
would be we'd be a lot happier and a lot calmer.
My wife makes me laugh. I mean we've been married
thirty one years and there's a lot of there's a
lot of days where maybe you don't have something that
you want to laugh about. But she makes me laugh
because she she knows me better than anyone. I could

(53:16):
do a ninety minute postgame show where where I felt
that I made eight or ten great points, and we
interviewed this player and everything looked great. And she would
have a funny line about your tie was crooked in
the third segment or something like that. So I would
say she makes me laugh more than more than anybody

(53:37):
who has ever known me. And I think that's that's
a great quality to have in your your spouse. I
get that a lot when I asked that question, and
I think it's maybe that's the key to staying together.
You know, the ones who are together, it's like they
say their spouse makes them laugh. That's the key. And
all these books that I've written, I mean, she is
such a support system in editing, eating giving me her opinions.

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And she loves the ninety eight book because it's got
my name on it and it's my writing, as much
as she liked the Cone and the O'Neill books. Those
books were written in her voice, their voices. So she's
told me right away, oh, this is my favorite book
that you've done. So she's a great cheerleader in addition
to a great wife. Um, as far as your emotion,
you know what makes you cry? I don't I mean

(54:23):
in a bad way sometimes, but you know, just something
that could be a song, it could be anything that
that really makes you feel your emotions or something you've
watched things like that. I always talk about that with
you know, movies and music or that for me really
moves me emotionally. What's something that you might have that
does what what? What year did your your dad pass

(54:43):
away at Chris you know, yeah, Alzheimer's for a while,
so I feel like I lost him for a long time,
but then in twenty nineteen he passed away. Yeah. So
the thing that that would make me cry and I
don't allow myself to go there all the time, is
thinking about the things that my parents I haven't seen
that have that have happened in my life. Or my

(55:04):
brother has two sons and one of them got married
recently and I actually was the officiant for his marriage,
which was a great honor that he asked me to
officiate his wedding my nephew Ian And there were moments
throughout that day where I thought about my mom and
dad not being able to see that. So that's that's
something that those emotions I think are there for anyone

(55:25):
who has lost someone that was close to them in
their life. So yeah, like I said, I don't allow
myself to go there too often. I'd rather think of
the joyous moments as opposed to think about what I
had as opposed to maybe what you don't have. I uh,
you know, and music does that a lot for me.
Sometimes just makes you feel something that it brings up something.

(55:45):
And I remember, you know, talking about it when it
was like a month after my dad passed and I'm
listening to Eddie Vetter on the Howard Stern Show and
he does on it just an acoustic guitar. He does, um,
the Warren Zevon song keep Me in your Heart for
a while. Oh yeah, I love Warren Zon. Oh and

(56:07):
you know history and just that song about knowing he
was going to die and and telling his wife, you know,
just when you're doing things around the house, keep me
in your heart. You know. That's the kind of stuff
that really gets me. Yeah. Well music they can do
that in a lot of ways, good and sometimes more
tear jerking. But yeah, that that Warren Zevon song, that

(56:27):
that is clearly one that I mean, the guy put
out a whole album, as you said, knowing knowing that
he was going to pass away. Talk about having an
amount of courage and strength to be able to do that. Yeah.
But but getting us to connect with our emotions, I
think is what Jim Balvano was getting at. You know,
like feel stuff, you know during the day, Um, the
think part. I always say. You know, there's a big

(56:49):
message board outside Oculus, outside Barkley Center. Everybody coming out
of the subway or going into the arena can see it.
If there was something you could put up there, you know,
a billboard kind of thing where the masses can see it.
Get your point across, something to think about. What would
you want to give people something to think about? What
would you say? Here's what I would say. In a
world where you can be anything, be kind. Just be

(57:12):
kind and it'll come back to you. I always think
of the opportunities I've had, and I feel like I've
had two dream jobs in my life. A baseball writer
for the New York Times, a baseball announcer for the
S Network. Well, if you get to that mountaintop, so
to speak, or if you get to the top of

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the mountain, don't knock. Don't knock the ladder away for
anybody else. Put the ladder in place and help those
people come up to the mountaintop as well. And I'm
a big advocate in doing that. And I mentor a
lot of kids, high school and college kids. And if
they show a lot of passion, I show an equal
amount of passion and trying to trying to help along
the way. But it doesn't just have to be in

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your career. It could be anything that you do on
any given day. I love that message and I think
that's just connected a lot of us Fordham guys over
the years. You know, we've always looked out for each
other and helped each other out. That was part of
my son's a freshman by the way at Fordham at
WFUVA and and that was part of the thing, you know,
pushing them along, like be part of this that we

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have going. Was he did he go to any of
the hoop games? Was he part of rose? Yeah? How
did we get through an hour? We didn't even talk
about Fordham basketball? What a season and they in fact
that they have ergo there. They signed them to the
extension and Eddie Cull doing a great job on the
athlete at director side. Very very enjoyable to see that season.
They were they good. When you I remember when you

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were there n I n nineteen twenty wins Penders was
the coach. They had good backcourt, Tony McIntosh and Jerry Hobby,
but yeah, I couldn't get over the hump to get it.
Ncuba bid. Yeah. My senior year, we went to the
NCAA tournament. I did that game for WFUVA and unfortunately
they have not been back since. It's amazing. Let's hope

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that changes. This year was a lot of fun. So
let's hope that changes. What I'm hoping is that my
son will be doing the game the next time they
get in. Oh, that would be nice. That would be
a great story. Joe de Barry's already got that story
ready to go. That would be great. I would love that.
What's his first name, Chris, Chris, Chris saying her first name. So, Jack,
we really appreciate you doing this. I love talking to you.

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I would also add to the oculus, you know your
thing about being kind and then also pre order the
book by Jack Kerry in the nineteen ninety eight New
York Yankees. What's the title again? That the exact title,
It's just yeah, it's the inside story of the greatest
baseball team ever. The nineteen ninety eight Yankees. I appreciate

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you saying that. And Chris, it was a pleasure to
talk to you. And I want to be one of
many who have told you how much of an inspiration
you are to so many. And I'm glad to be
able to say that we share a college and we
have a friendship. So thanks for having me on. This
has been so much fun. Thank you Jack. All right,

(01:00:03):
my thanks to Jack Curry the book The nineteen ninety
eight Yankees, The inside Story of the greatest baseball team ever.
Jack gave you a lot of good things to listen to,
the stuff he likes to listen to when he runs.
I'm gonna give you something to watch, as I always
do here at the end, and it was certainly something
that will make you laugh, cry and think. It is
from the makers of the show Ted Last Zone. It's

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on Apple TV. It is called Shrinking with Jason siegeal
not like the Bird but Segel like from How He
Met Your Mother, Jason Siegel and Forgetting Sarah Marshall. Jason Siegel,
and he's terrific in it. But the guy who really
steals the show is eighty year old Harrison Ford. God

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bless him. Love Harrison Ford. He's terrific in this show
and he will make you laugh in this show. So
that's my recommendation of what to watch. The funniest scene
in the show involves a song from Phoebe Bridgers, not
to be confused with Michael Bridges. This is Bridgers, Phoebe

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Bridgers a song entitled I Know the End. It is
the final song on her just Outstanding album from twenty
twenty called Punisher song called I Know the End. And
we have come to the end of the Voice of
the Nets podcast. My thanks to my producer slash engineer

(01:01:32):
Isaac Lee, Steve Goldberg. My thanks to our guest today,
Jack Curry talked again next week. I'm Chris Carino. Thank
you so much for listening and subscribing to the Voice
of the Nets.