Episode 38: Regular Season Wrap-up and First Round Preview, with Frank Isola and Tim Capstraw

Chris is joined by ESPN and SiriusXM’s Frank Isola as well as Tim “The Capper” Capstraw to reflect on an eventful regular season for the Brooklyn Nets. Then, they look forward to the Nets’ first-round matchup with the Philadelphia 76ers.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
It's the most wonderful time of the year. It's the playoffs.
We've got here, guys. Chris Carino here on the Voice
of the Nets pod. I'm joined today by my longtime
radio partner, who talk about longevity eighteen hundred and fourteen
consecutive broadcasts for the care We just finished our twenty

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first regular season together, and so we also, because we
spend too much time just talking to each other, we
need someone else to bunce our ideas off of, and
we thought we'd give Frank Is solo one more job
this week. So is it not the best time of
the year. It really is. The way you introduced me,

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you made it seem like you were saying that you've
been together with Tim so long, and now Frank's going
to be the guy replacing you. Tim here, he is here. No,
I need this. You got a hundred jobs, Nina, believe me,
this is this. You're too good at it. I'm not
taking I'm not taking your job. You You know what,
the NBA needs longevity. They need guys at work all

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the time. They need you know, we need to see something,
something consistent. That's what you guys bring. So don't worry
about it. Listen and Kaber and I have been together
for twenty one years, so we know each other's thoughts
in and out. But Frank, we should just just just
point out for people who don't know, Um, Yes, network
studio analyst the last few years, a great addition to

(01:33):
the NETS team broadcasting team. Uh the starting lineup, which
is the show on NBA Radio which you and Brian
Scalabrini host. So well, you're a great duo. Um around
the horn you're filling on PTI formerly a we all
know him and love him in the New York area
as a Nick Speat writer for the Daily News. You

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wrote for The Athletic. Um, I think are you opening
a Walgreens soon? Like? Where have I gotten everything in
for you? That's that's That's about it. That that's a
long time at the deal end is twenty years, almost
twenty five years. And then they took tim. Then they
told me we got so many replaced you're out. So yeah,

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I've had that before, tupl Uh. So how ironic was
this yesterday as we're taping this the day after the
regular season finale? Is you know kind of you think
about the superstar era of the NETS that came to
an end this season, right with the Durant Kyrie Irving
trades midway through the year. Um, that era kind of

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came to an end. And I think if there's anything
that can describe that era, if you want to throw
James Harden in there as well, that experiment is that
brilliant when they were together. But just we didn't see
it enough, right, They're just they just weren't available enough.
And ironically the season ends where mckel bridges playing in

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his eighty third game, extending his consecutive games streak to
three consecutive games. And not just mccal, but you think
about the starting lineup that after the trade. I think
they started all but three games right since February, once
because Finney Smith got hurt in the Detroit game didn't play,
and the couple of games where they were just resting

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a bunch of guys. Think about that five man starting
lineup played more minutes, yeah, than any other five man
group for the Nets since the first year they were
in Brooklyn. I mean, think about how we went from
you know, a team that had the characteristic of not

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being available to this consistently available group. Talk about a
culture shift in a very short period of time. Rank Well,
I think it's because when people do talk about the
Group of four and they talk about oh as a failure, Well,
let's remember, to be fair, they did win what was it,

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six of their first seven playoff games together, and a
couple of years ago that team was wrong. I thought
they were the best team in the league, but would
only interrupt did that run or injuries the one to
James Harden, then nan Kyrie Irving they were the better team,
and then the following year I thought Milwaukee was the
better team and Milwaukee ended up losing to Boston. So
what happens. Injuries happened to every team, but it was
refreshing to see you may you know you make two

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dramatic trades like that. Not a lot of teams do
that in the middle of the season. Plus you know
that group together had gone eighteen and two. So on
the one hand, you're trying to make a trade to
keep your team afloat, but you're also doing it to
rebuild and restock some of the draft picks that you
lost in previous trades. That's why I think the moves
were good because or worked out really well, because you

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got guys that could help immediately. Plus now you still
have assets down the road in terms of trades that
you can make, you that are available to you. And
I thought that the additions were really good. You're in
sixth place. Let's remember, guys, last year we were getting
ready for the playing game that the Brooklyn Nets were
going to play. They don't have to do that to
finish six this season. Knowing that the team that you

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finished ahead as a quality opponent in Miami, you got
Atlanta was a conference finalist Toronto. I still don't know
how they're in that seven, eight, nine, ten group, because
they're a really good team, I think, all in all,
considering how quickly they changed on the fly, the Nets
had a good season. And to your point, having that
consistently consistency in the starting lineup is part of it. Yeah,
and and not to not to paint this picture that,

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um it was a runaway you know, the lineup they
had the last two months of the year was a
runaway success. I mean there are a couple of games
under five hundred. I mean they're trying to get used
to playing together. There's still probably a playmaker away from being,
you know, a contending team. With this group. But certain
I just think it's the the compete nature, the mindset
of we've got to you know, we're for the we're

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for the team, we're for the community, we're for each other.
I think there were some things that not to disparage
anybody else who was here, but I just feel like
there's there's this rebirth and you know, it's spring, and
part of the thing I love about the playoffs is
the weather's getting nicer too, you know, summer's coming up.
Like there's this rebirth that Ida Kapper, you and I've
talked about it. You felt this since the trade. Maybe

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they're not you know, they're not running away. Yeah, they
held out of the sixth spot. They're right around a
five hundred team, but we can see it's like the
summer's coming, you know, like the good weather's coming. You
can feel that it was tangible when the season and
the energy, Yeah, there were energy givers these guys. You know,
you just felt like they were going to, uh just

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bring life to this team. I remember the opening press
conference with Cam Johnson and Milk mcl bridges sitting up
on their desk together and I'm looking at you and
I'm just thinking to myself, Wow, these are the type
of people you want to be around right now, and
they made the best of it. Finney Smith made the
best of it. Spencerwood, he has certainly been a good addition. Listeners,

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a lot to like and really a lot to like
about the job that Jacque Vaughn has done with this group.
And don't you guys agree that the idea of not
only the four guys that they brought in the last
two years, think about the games that these guys have
played out Both all four players have been to a
conference finals and Cam Johnson mckillbridges have been to an

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NBA finals in the last two years. Those are the
So you're not only bringing quality people and they're great.
I mean mckill bridge is off the charts what like
a face of the franchise he can be, but they've
also been involved in important games that have played important roles.
That means something as well. Yeah, because we were talking
about how it's a good opportunity this playoff series, and
we'll get into the matchup a little bit, but but

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the series is a good opportunity to sort of see
these guys and how they react together and you know,
see them in a playoffs setting. But like you said,
they've think got guys that have been experienced. Even Spitzer
Dinwoody has been in the playoffs. He's actually played in
Philadelphia in the playoffs. So yeah, you know that's been
that way, and I you know, there there's going to

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be you know, there'll be a lot of post mortem
on the last four years with Brooklyn. But I do
think you know, when you think about you're talking about
jacque Vaughan and we'll get back to that, well we'll
pin that for a second, Kapper, but I think it
goes with Sean Marks and think about you know sometimes.
I mean, listen, they were primed for this a little

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bit in the offseason last year with the initial trade
requests and that kind of thing, so you kind of
got in everybody's mindset that this could actually happen. But
then once things went because things sort of started to
go really well during the season, right we had after
the initial bumpiness with the Kyrie suspension everything, they come

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back and they win twelve in a row and they're
in the top two in the East and you're thinking
championship again, and then Kevin Durank gets hurt and then
of course Kyrie Irving then gets going a little bit.
But then when that trade will quest comes down from
Kyrie Irving, the Nets acted swiftly and decisively. It's like,

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all right, Kyrie doesn't want to be here anymore, let's
find a deal. We found one, and now that's it.
That's gonna be a domino into Kevin Durant and get back.
Done very quietly, and they were able to restock and
replenish and set themselves up over the last two months
of the season. Like you talked about, Frank, how well
they were able to do that on the fly, trading

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two star players. But the fact that they did it
so swiftly and decisively, didn't worry about some costs, just
went and said, hey, we're going to move forward. Man,
I think when you look back on it, that was extraordinary. Yeah,
it's such a crazy season. And if you go back
over the summer, you know, much to the benefit of

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Kevin Durant and certainly the Brooklyn Nets, they couldn't find
a deal for Kevin Durant that they wanted. If you're
the Brooklyn netze's on the contract for four years, we'll
trade you. If that's what you want, but we're going
to get a deal that's good for us. So they
waited Kyrie Irving getting traded. That was to the detriment
of Kyrier. That was a mistake on his part because
and he wanted to go. And the Brooklyn Nets made
a good trade. They got a good players. Go ask

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people around the league with they think about Dorian Phinney Smith.
I know he's had moments in terms of shooting. Every
person I talked around in the NBA would want Dorian
Phinney Smith. They know what kind of guy is, what
kind of players and Spencer didn't what he can get
it done. Go look at what he did in Game
seven last year against the Phoenix Suns. But then the
deal that they make with Phoenix. I don't believe that
that deal was available over the summer. I think if

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it was, there might have been a chance that the
Nets would have made that deal. You're getting a guy
in Michael Bridge has been in big games for Cam Johnson.
I know he was coming off of an injury. I
think will be much better even next season. Plus all
the draft picks that you got, I think Sean Marks
to change up on the fly. Let's you remember now
when you name me a team that's trading two superstar
players and still finishing in the top six in their conference,

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I mean those you make trades like that in February,
usually you're saying, we'll see you down the road because
we got something maybe in store for this summer, which
a clear cap space. So they accomplished two things. It's
never easy to say good bye to a guy like
Kevin duran And I got no problem with anything that
Kevin Durant did. Here. You use the word available. He
just wasn't available enough. He came to the team limping,

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He left the team limping. He hurt when he was arrived,
hurt when he left. That was the only knock against him.
The way that you guys saw every game he played.
The guy's a brilliant player. He works hard, he rebounds,
he scores, he's a great teammate everything. It's just a
shame that he wasn't available. But for Sean Marks to
switch up like that to get value back, stay competitive

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and know that the future you still have a future
out there. That that was a good one that he
pulled off. Hey, Cavern, you brought up Jacque Vaughan before
and think about that before all this went into place,
we had the coaching change. Steve Nash has let go,
Jacque Vaughan takes over. And think of the tumultuous time
when Jacque Vaughn took over and there was the talk

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of you know, other coaches who might have been in
that search that was there was a lot of turmoil
there and tumultuousness. And Jacques Baun got up there and
he's the guy. These head coaches have to step up
on that podium every day, sometimes twice a day, and
all these moves are being made by owners and general managers.

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It's the coach. The head coach has got to stand
up there and take all the slings and arrows every day.
And he did it with such grace and class and
optimism and energy, and I think that it really had
a calming nature on the entire organization. And I know, Caber,

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you admire. You were a former coach, and you admire.
And we go and see these different coaches around the
league in their press comps how they handled themselves. Jack
bun got rewarded for really guiding this team through a
difficult period this season. Yeah, he was great. I mean,
he's been great every night. He seems to have an
optimistic way about him. He's very engaging with everyone he knew,

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knows enough to know the people's name in the press.
I always was shocked when coaches wouldn't address people by
their name. That would bother me. And then how hard
is it to get to know everybody? Well, he got
to know everybody, and everybody feels comfortable speaking with him.
But you know what else, it's the second time around too,
it was being a head coach, and he also had

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other stints with the Brooklynet and in the Bubble. You know,
he spent some time there. I'm sure he's different than
he was a little bit different than he was the
first time around in Orlando. That was not an easy situation,
but you learn, you would just he engaged everyone, and
I just think his positive, optimistic energy was not only

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good for certainly good for us, but think about how
that is for a team, right you're going to throw
a long season. Man. I just think he's a pleasure
to be around. We talked so much about energy. That
guy's an energy giver. Tim. Let me just ask you
something about that. It's funny, you know, you guys are
talking about all the experience you have. Right, only in
coach do we use the word recycled recycling. It drives

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me nuts when I hear the word that is a
recycled coach. That means he has experience you being a coach.
How much better of a coach for you? Five, six,
seven years? Or look at Jock, he's going naturally, he's
just going to get better at the job. I guarantee
you he's a better coach today than he was when
he had his first job in Roland. And here's the
best scenario your coach, you get fired, you're an assistant

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and your coach again, because not only you get a
long time to evaluate, feel it out, remember what you
didn't do well, learn from new people, and then get
a fresh start. Hey, listen, maybe one of the great
coaches in our time as Bill Belichick. There was a
time he coach to Cleveland Browns and people didn't think
that much of him. But you know, it turns out

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he's pretty good at what he does. Yeah, and you
talked about Tim all the time about you you're not
you're not looking to go back into coaching, But these
years spent as a broadcaster gave you a different perspective,
and you said, you know how much different you would
do it. You know how much different you would do
it now if you had a chance to do it
over again. Yeah. Plus, the times have changed dramatically since

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that coach. The last twenty five thirty years away. I
was still part of the Bobby Night era where where
you're ripped and you swore a lot and it made
you a better coach. I just think things are a
lot better now the way guys do things, especially at
the NBA. That doesn't work. Yeah, but your knowledge. Here's
the thing about NBA players, they can tell if you're
a good coach the first three minutes you're on the floor.

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You better have an answer for them when they have
a question that makes sense to them. Otherwise they got
you figured out the first day of practice. Well, it's funny.
That's That's the thing I always talking about with Jack
Van is he's so straightforward, purposeful and everything he does
and everything he says. They asked him a question, he
never waivers. He never I think it's just direct boom.

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He has an answer for you right away. When you
see him walking through the hall, he's going somewhere. He's
not strolling and looking around, he's he's got a place
to go. And the other thing about I think Jock
and I think this is import and talking about a
cultural shift, right, We talked about going from guys that
weren't available to now guys that are competing and want
to play every day and are about the team and

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about the organization. For four years, I mean, I would
always say it wasn't excuses, but it was kind of explanations,
but in a way it was excuses. You know, this
guy was hurt, this guy was this. We didn't have this.
Jacques Bonne's mantra from day one has been no excuses,
doesn't matter. We played a fourth game and five nights,

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we're playing the second of a back to back. We
don't have this guy. We don't have that guy. Doesn't matter,
no excuses. And I think that has been an important
cultural shift as well. Yeah, and I think that started
where for me, where it really stood out was without
Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving still on the team. Remember that
you guys were on that was coach trip. Remember that

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they're playing I forget what the game they were going
to play Utah. I believe it was the second night
of a back to back, and Jack had said, you
know what, remember out the Phoenix game the night before
where they were awful for three quarters and then they
right up in the fourth quarter. That's right, they make
the comeback. They didn't win, and then Jock's kind of
message that night, but certainly before the game the next night,
was I'm looking to play. We're looking to play a

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forty eight minute game and win. There's no excuses. We
need everybody out there and that mindset. Because I think
what happened, Tim, you would you could speak to this,
this idea of oh, back to back, Oh, it's so
tough you want There's a reason why in Denver they
put the altitude on the on the court there. They
want you to know. They want it in your head.

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Yeah you're tired and it's real thin air up here.
By constantly telling about back to back, how tough a
job on? No, no no, no, no no, We're going out tonight.
We're gonna play our hardest and we'll see how we do.
They won that game. I thought that game was important
for them on that trip. It was at a time
when you know, when the team's kind of teetering a
little bit. I thought that was the right message from
the coach to your point, Chris, just the idea, like

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go out and play, guys. It's basketball that we're doing here.
And I think sometimes when you simple by it like that,
I thought he did that in a really smart way
to the media. Now I'm assuming he said something along
those lines to the team. I think that kind of
resonated with a lot of people. It's basketball, let's just
go and play. Yeah, and you know the other nights,
you know, they had to back to back the other night,
and Jock always has a pretty good phrase for us.

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You know. I know this hit well with Chris the
other night when he said about going for you know,
they played it back to back to or coming from
Brooklyn or going out to play Detroit. It was still
an important game. And he said, you got to choose
your hard you know what's hard? Is this hard? You know,
like you ever roof in the summer, you know what
I mean, like stuff like that. Yeah. How many people

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had to take two buses to go to work this morning? Yeah? Right, yeah,
So choose it your heart is Yeah. And you know
it's funny too. You brought that that game in Utah,
Frank and that was a that's a I think when
we look back on it, that'll be a major turning
point in the organization. Again spurred on by Jacque Vaughan

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not letting him have excuses because that was the game
where remember Kyrie Irving had an unbelievable game that night,
Yeah and I and it started that stretch where Kyrie
Irving just had a period of play there for a lot,
about three weeks where he just played at an all
NBA level, and that spurred him now to then ask

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for the extension, which you didn't get, which then led
them to ask for a trade. So when you think
about it, that one game, whatever Jacques Baun's message got through,
it ended up being like, all right, here's what we
have to do. And then it ended up, you know,
giving them the kick over the ledge. Maybe they needed
to move on and make the trades that they had
to make and get to where we are right now.

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But in the end, I think it all if you're
if you're a NET fan, if you're in the NETS organization,
I think sometimes when you go through tough times, it
doesn't seem like it blessing in disguise at that moment,
but in the end it ends up being that, and
I think that right now the Nets are in a
good place as we get ready now to look toward

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the postseason and look toward this playoff series. Let's get
into that. Let's let's try to shift gears now and
talk about where we are with this NET team and
what they can do coming up in the playoffs. I
did a mail bag episode a couple of weeks ago
where my producer Isaac was asking me the questions and
someone had sent in, you know, what do I think
is the best matchup? And I, you know, kind of

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saying it in a way that's that's part serious, but
part you know, I don't know, Like I was talk radio,
but I said, none of the none of the matchups
are really going to favor the Nets in the first round.
But if I had to pick one, maybe I'll take
my chances with Philadelphia because there just seems to be
the biggest implosion chance from a team would be the

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sixth right, Like you could see them maybe winning a championship,
and you could also see him Listen, it's a hot
topic now. We've seen a lot of testy uh stuff
between teammates, but you can see like them start up
in fighting where guys you know, getting banged up. You know,
Harden embed Doc Rivers got a lot of pressure on him.

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You know. So I'm not rooting for injuries or rooting
for Mayhem. But at the same time, you know, I
think with the six or sometimes that that can, that
that lingers there, that's that's that's there in the in
the in the air in Philadelphia, as you might say, Frank,
you know those fans down there, you know that you
guys are gonna have a blast uh there because it's

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it's gonna be intense. You know. It's funny because you
and I still have to fill out my ballot, which
I'm gonna do. I have to do within a couple
hours here. And to me, it's been such a turn
off this year. Yeah, we always have fun about the
whole MVP debate. We always say that it starts at
halftime at the first game of the season. You know,
it's such a silly topic that everybody in the NBA
chumps all over. But I thought it kind of took

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an ugly turn this year because I think especially you
know Janis and Nicola yoke at Shola beat three. You know,
really good players, but there's been way too much talk,
and I think for him bad. I know that he
really wants to win it, and there's something to be said,
you know, for wanting to win the award. I get
all that, and there's a very good chance that he's
going to. But we know, come on, guys, you make
your bones and all these sports by how you doing

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the postseason. Yeah, and you know he's he's yet to
be out of the second round. That's not all of
his fault, obviously, but you know, if we're gonna get
on guys like Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller Stocking
him alone for never winning a championship, those guys went
to the finals, so you know, this was still all
time players, but they made it to an NBA finals,
And I think for Himbead, I just wonder. I don't
think he'll be like this. But I agree with you

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from this standpoint, Chris. That team has a lot to lose,
but there will be a lot of pressure on them
going into the series and beat It's not about how
you performed in a regular season anymore. You got to
now do it in the playoffs. We've seen James hard
he could be up and down in the playoffs. He
was great first few games at the Brooklyn Nets. But
we've seen game sevens that he's played with the Houston Rockets.
Last year, Game six against Miami, I don't know what

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happened to him in that game. So that team, there's
a lot going on there. Hardens future, doc Rivers future.
If you can go in now, I know they went
in there. What was that twenty nineteen and took game one.
You could get one of those first two games there.
You will put a lot of pressure on that team.
That's the best matchup for them. Boston's a very tough team.
Milwaukee's Milwaukee for first round matchup. If it had to

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be one of those three teams, I agree with you.
I'm taking Philadelphia. That's a team I'd want to play.
The matchup they had last the last real matchup they
had with the Sixers. This was not the game on Sunday,
the season finale, which was the G League teams playing
each other, but the first game where the Nets had
all their new faces together. Yea, the very first game

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was in Brooklyn and the Nets had that game. They
just couldn't score over the last six minutes. If you
remembered I think the Sixers barely got to one hundred.
They just got to one hundred points. And when I
looked back, I remember there was a remember before the
Boston game this year when the Nets went up to Boston,

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they were down twenty eight and ended up winning that game.
That was still a time where they were trying to
tinker with a lot of different strategies defensively and how
to close out games right. And I remember asking job
Vaughn before the game, because I had it in my mind,
I said, when do you think this group looked the
best this year, this new group? And he said, probably

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before the first probably the first game we played together,
when they were just out there playing and switching everything
and just playing really hard and excited to be together.
And it resulted in what almost beating the Philadelphia seventy
six ers. And I think after that Boston game they
kind of went back to that a little bit. So,
I mean, Caper, was there is there anything you could

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take out of the first matchup where you think of
as a possible you know, hope and optimism for the
Nets or was that just you know, an outlier that
first game. Yeah, it was one on one ninety eight
remember that was a Dinwood. He held on to the
ball too long. I think you did that game on TV, Chris,

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because I was watching it again. That was a second
game of back to back for them, and the Nets
team came out at day the night before. I believe, yeah,
and so well, listen, it's going to be a monster challenge.
There's no doubt about that. I think what the Nets
have learned because you have this week off right now,
and you could you could argue with people, hey might

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be an opportunity to put in a new defense, to
surprise him with this or surprise him with that. I
think what Jack Vaughan learned whenever he tried to tinker
with things and make things a little bit more complicated,
maybe play a drop defense against pick and roll, maybe
a little zone things. This didn't work out too well
with this group, and that's what happened in the game one.
You're just talking about that first game that got together. Okay,

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you don't do simple better is another one of his phrases.
And then that's what I want to keep it simple? Uh,
you know, obviously Joel Ebade puts it. You know, it
gives anybody a ton of problems. I think I think
Claxton will start on him. You couldn't do the idea
of maybe Claxton on PJ. Tucker and he hangs out
and maybe somebody else guards. I don't know, but I

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think I think the Nets are gonna keep it simple.
They're gonna play it straight up. They're gonna do what
they did well and see where it takes him in
this game. Yeah, you know, and beat at thirty seven.
In that game, he was a monster. But two things
that stuck out for that game for me, Micaelbridge is late.
That was his first game correct with the Brooklyn Nets.
Remember it was a weird angle that he took at

(26:45):
the basket on that layup that he missed. Yeah, but
I love was after the game. It was his first game,
you know, Brooklyn Bridge is the whole thing. He was
really disappointed. I love the fact that his emotion was
based on the result, not on how he played. And
he knew he made him. You know, everyone is throwing
flowers at him, but he's taking away from it. I
missed a layup at the end that we should have won.

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That was one. But then Spencer did when he late
drives baseline hardened slides over the ball gets knocked out
of bounds, they call Philadelphia ball. Spencer's arguing one time
when Spencer was in the right here, he's going back
and forth with the official and sure enough the last
two minute reports said that should have been a foul
on Hard And it was interesting after the game. It

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kind of took on the attitude the team because Spencer
said during his postgame press cover, well, we don't have
any superstars who we're not going to get those calls.
It It wasn't a whining. It was almost a way
of these are the things, the other things that we
have to overcome, almost taking on kind of that underdog mentality.
There were two things that happened late in the game
which were playoff like a late game shot that's mckel

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Bridges knows that he has to make, missed it again
at weird angle, and then a controversial call that goes
against you. Those things happened in the playoffs, tho it
was all the way back in February. They ended. That
game certainly had a playoff type a feel to it,
and it didn't work out for the Brooklyn Nets a

(28:10):
bad call against him, But I think that was actually
a good learning experience. From that, I think it also
told you a little bit of the character of the team,
the way that they acted and the things that they
said afterwards. I actually thought that was encouraging. Well. One
of the things that came up throughout the course of
this you know, again we talked about how this new
group playing together. I think raised the bar that first game,

(28:33):
by how close it was late, by how well they
played against the Sixers, and then you know, they went
through some peaks and valleys and some of the valleys
were propped up in that game. How do we close
out games? How do we win close games? You know,
we saw them not be you know, be able to
We saw them to lose a lot of leads late
trying to figure out how to play. They've kind of

(28:54):
been caught between Spencer Dinwood. He just sort of he
called it elephant hunting, you know, big game hunting, just
trying to find the weak link and attack him. Or
how how much do we continue to play our regular
offense as we get into the playoffs? Cap or now,
what's the best approach for this team because they're gonna
be in you know, crunch situations here. Had they learned

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anything the last two months about how they need to
close out games, especially important games in a postseason. Yeah. No,
it's both of those things. Right. You spent there was
a lot of Spencer Dinwoody targeting and going after weaker
opponents and having you know, attacking the basket making some plays.
And yet I just think it's important that they get

(29:40):
into what they're doing earlier in the clock. I think
that's an issue too, because even if Spencer targets early,
that means he doesn't have to commit to shooting once
he attacks. I think there's going to be some of that.
I also think they're gonna work mckel bridge is more
and get him involved and make sure they're gonna I
think they're gonna have they found right now that I
think they need balance in that. Going too long, too

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early to or you know, too much with Spencer isolation
not healthy. They got to work in a little bit
of bridges, but they've got to execute. Also. They got
to understand that the game is different over the last
five six minutes. Every possession is magnified. The screens, the cuts,
the handling, the taking care of the ball. They've got
to be ready for it. And if they can get

(30:25):
in that position. I think they'll I think they'll mix
it up with both of those situations, don't you think Spencer,
like look at the way that he played overtime against Minnesota.
You know you want to talk about like, you know,
close game, playoff type of atmosphere where he had the
two baskets, but then he then he drove into the paint,

(30:45):
found kel Bridges, found Royslnil who who knocked down the
shot from the corners, that Dory Smith. Yeah, that was
I thought his floor game, and that in overtime. I
thought he was brilliant. It felt like Jack fone had
gotten to him. Really, I could really started to click
because if you guys remember when they went to Madison
Square Garden, I think it was a couple of days
after that first Philly game, and he was you know,

(31:08):
you could tell he was struggling, like is it me
against the Knicks? And I got to try to score
every time down and he was missing and he felt
he was fouled. I really thought that as time went on,
whatever Jack Vaughan is like, really how he wants him
to play, I think it was really starting to click
for Spencer, especially in that Minnesota again. Yeah, I mean
Zack's you know, former point guard. He's whispered in Didn'

(31:28):
what's ear. It's been an ongoing dialogue and they think
about too late in the year. So with the Nets, Spencer,
I think tenth in total assists in the NBA, tenth
in NBA assist to turnover ratio since the trade deadline,
sixth in assist per game, nine point one assist per game.
Only trede Young had more total assists than did what

(31:51):
he since the trade deadline. We were talking about tenth.
I'm talking about total season tenth for didn what he
didn't handle the ball nearly as much in Dallas. You know,
I hasn't out a great but like you've mentioned some
of those guys. You even bring up Finney Smith, right,
guy that people think, well, didn't shoot it well as
a net and he was only thirty percent from three
right during in his time with the Nets. But over

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the last four games that he played, he was ten
of seventeen. He's starting to he's starting to get it.
He's starting to understand. Think about Cam Johnson, right, he's
up to thirty eight percent as a net shooting three.
People think, oh, this guy hasn't shot it well. Thirty
eight percent. It's a really good percentage what you could do.
Think of Royce O'Neill and the buckets that he makes
at crunch time. And then you still have guys coming

(32:35):
off the bench like Seth Curry and Joe Harris who
we know can make three pointers all off of Spencer
Dinwoody being able to get downhill, no when to shoot,
no one to take it. So I think these are
all things that are going to be keys for the Nets.
You know, Cab, you talk about the three point line
is the It's the great equalizer when you're the underdog.

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It's the sling shot. You know it's David. It's David
with the little slingshot. Is the three pointer to knock
out Goliath. And you know, Nets, that's gonna be a
real key in the series because you know, even going
some smaller lineups, if they can create good looks behind
the three point line, they play well enough in the

(33:21):
other areas defensively that that's how you're gonna have to
be able to beat the sixers. Well, you're gonna have
to hang, and you're gonna have to play with great
pace too. If you get stops, you're gonna have to
get out and run the floor and see if you
can get some threes that way, and think about and
maybe a guy like Clexon, maybe out running a guy
like Mbad and maybe getting a cup one or two

(33:41):
or those a game also, But they can get some
open threes that way. You know, moving to basketball, it's
gonna be interesting because Mbiad's gonna be playing in a
drop defense for the most part. Right, he's gonna be back.
Now you think of just thinking about the big man
back and the you know, the mid range shots that
become available. The reason you know, teams play that because

(34:02):
they don't want to him beat up. I understand that
it also allows the other players to stay closer at
the three point line to the shooters at the nets half.
So that's got nets are good when the ball really pops.
Everybody knows that right drive and kick move at one
side to the other, get it hopping. And if they
play with confidence like that, I think they could get
you know, get threes. They could get shots, and if

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they can convert them, that will certainly help. But you know,
they haven't been a team that's exploded game after game
for one hundred and twenty five points and given up
one hundred and thirty. This has been a lower scoring team,
and they've got to be able to do enough defensively
against the Philadelphia They've got to somehow limit and beads

(34:45):
and efficiency and limit his ability and really all the
sixers ability to get to the free throw line. That
is going to be a big part if they can
keep the score around one ten, make enough threes. You know,
you're you're curiousness see where this game could go. What
would you guys do with Clackson off the floor? You go,
remember they used Royce O'Neill on yo kits, they use

(35:10):
them on Gobert. Would you do that? Would you put
Duran Phinney Smith? What would you guys do to play
small and spread them out? I'd probably play Phinney Smith
and play him, but you know, obviously, you know then
he's got to be able. That's what we talk about
him maybe being a wild card if he's playing that spot,
because they one thing MB doesn't do quite as this

(35:30):
year like he has in the past. He hangs out,
not hangs out. He dominates from the elbow. Right now,
He's not on the block as much as he used
to be. He gets it in that following area. And
unlike any big man in the history of the game
that's been as dominant as him, I've never seen a
guy be able to handle the basketball and dribble and

(35:51):
pivot as well as he does. He doesn't get the
ball on the block as much. He brings the ball
to the block with dribble handle pivots, and it's a
different look that that Doc Rivers and the staff adopted
this year. And I can't believe how good he is
at it is that, you know what it is. It's
it's really hard to double team from the elbows. You
can see it coming. You can pick people apart. If

(36:12):
you're embiid on the block, you can double easier and
rotate easier. But he's still he still can dominate you.
But that's where he is right now. That's why I
think Finney Smith could guard him and then maybe spread
him out on the other end. And again, if MBID
doesn't guard him, can he make above the break threes
you know what I mean, like and knock down some shots.

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I think that could be really, really important. You know, Sonny,
you talked about it though, Frank you you touched on
it before about that game that the Nets played against
the Sixers back in February where Ebid got his thirty
seven or thirty eight points and got to the free
throw line, and yet that was still a closed game
down the stretch. Can you limit well, so I want

(36:54):
to I want to say, my first question is gonna
be can you limit other guys and be able to
win that way? Say, all right, the Nets, you know,
and Bead's gonna get his thirty eight, He's gonna get
to the line. But can we stop Tyreeks Maxie from
getting twenty five a game? Can you stop to buy
his Harris from having a big game? You know some
of these other wild cards that we haven't even talked about.
James Harden. We'll get to that in a minute. But

(37:15):
the other part of it is, I think going back
to your Pointcapper about Claxton and then defending and be
able to play fast. I think my favorite sequence of
the season this year came in that game with the
Nets and the Sixers. Nick Claxton, he blocked a Joe

(37:35):
ellenbad baseline, little short shot right, he got out, contested it,
blocked it, controlled it, Nets broke out and they threw
a lob and Claxton got a dunk on the other end,
and then he he taunted the sixer bench by pointing
to the Bill Russell patch on his jersey, like it

(37:56):
shows you, first of all, how much that that Nick
Clackston has grown as a player. Right now he does
have that little he's got confident Nick Clackston does not
lack confidence, And how that could be the kind of
those are kind of plays the Nets gonna need in
this series. I just thought that that's should reminded me.

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That discussion reminded me of how to how to be
my favorite sequence of the whole season this year. Because
we talked about yesterday, Kapper, Nick Claxton's got an opportunity
here we talk I always bring up the Ryan Holiday
book called the Obstacle is the way you know Joel
embat is the obstacle right now for the Nets, Nick
Claxton has an absolute golden opportunity to tell everybody why

(38:41):
he is the most improved player in the NBA this year,
why he is possibly a candidate for Defensive Player of
the Year down the road, and how much of a
factor he can be you talking about how playoffs make reputations. Hey, Nick, Claxton,
You've got a real opportunity here right now, going against
Joel Embiad. And that doesn't mean Embid can't get thirty

(39:01):
can't get thirty five. It's just how he does it.
Is it going to be ridiculously efficient? And I think
the big key for Claxon is can he defend Mbid
when mb puts it on the deck. I just watched
the game. He can't get cheap hands. He falls, he's
got him. Make sure he keeps his hands back. And

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if he can play defension, he can play defense with
his feet. Canny limit the efficiency of the greatness of
Joel Embid, that's all you want, and you can't let
him live at live. It's the free throw line. I mean,
he averages eleven twelve a game attempts, he shoots eighty
five percent. He dominates from that area. Also defend well enough,

(39:43):
keep him around fifty percent shooting, keep him with somewhat
off the line, guard everybody else. You give yourself maybe
a chance. Isn't it funny too? The guy was basically
an afterthought in the playoffs last year, and now you
think about how much to your point, Chris, how much
he's grown and now how vital he is for them
to win. This is a guy that we're talking about. Yeah,
and and think about he hasn't backed down to Himbad

(40:05):
this year. No, he won't back to He's gotten in
some verbal stuff with them too. I think, you know,
we compare, We compare Jared Allen's development a lot with
Nick Claxton, right, because Jared was was here and and
how he grew into an All Star. But think about
that last time the Nets and Sixers played in the playoffs,
how Jared Allen got bullied yea by Joel Ebad. Remember

(40:29):
there was the elbow him down twice. Right, That's when
you know Jared Dudley ended up getting in the scuffle
at the game in Barkley Center, because but that hasn't
happened when Nick Claxton this year. In fact, the game
I remember the game in Philadelphia where they got double
technicals because Claxton made a good play on Embiid and
on the other end, and then in Beat came down

(40:50):
the other end and was talking to him and gave
him a hard shove and Claxton got into it with him.
Like Claxton hasn't hasn't backed down to a bead. I
think that's another, you know, key to trying to defend.
Remember what Nick Clackson said. He said, yeah, he told
me he comes, but you won't say that to my face.
So Nick Clackson stopped turning. He said whatever he said
to his face, it didn't he wasn't aggressive. He stopped

(41:10):
at turning. He repeated it, he didn't. If Nick Clackson
were more of a veteran player, he would not have
gotten a technical. He actually unnerved Joel Embiid in that game,
There's no doubt about it. He got under his skin,
which is which isn't a bad thing. So part of
not having that fear, that doesn't mean that, you know,
like you said, he's there's gonna be things he's got

(41:30):
to do, and yeah, it's it's all fine and good.
And Bee's not going to back down either. I mean
that's the other part. But can you get him rallied?
Can you get him riled up? You know you mentioned
last year's playoff and what you learned, because as a
general manager, I'm sure Sean Marks learned. All right, this
is what we need now to compete with the Celtics. Right,
thinking you were still gonna have Durant Kyrie Irving. I

(41:51):
remember talking to Brian Scalabrini about this last year during
the series, where the Nets just didn't have those size
at the wings and two way guys right that Steve
Nash had to constantly make decisions do I put in
offensive minded players or do I put in defensive minded players?
And the Nets kind of if you think about it,
built themselves back up the development of Claxton, who you

(42:13):
said Frank was an afterthought last year in the playoffs.
The Claxton now think about a big help he could
have been last year. And the other guy that you know,
they added a guy like Royce O'Neil, who is a
big three D wing that they desperately needed last year
and didn't have. We also could you know, remember that
Joe Harris was hurt last year and now you've got

(42:35):
other guys like that and Finney Smiths and Bridges and
you know, didn't what he's got sized. So you know,
they don't have the star that you can play through
late in a game, but it seems like all the
other things that you need to win in the postseason.
That's kind of the way their Nets are building this team,
right now, you know, I thought the Royce O'Neil pickup
was it was an interesting one because the guy can

(42:56):
do so many different things. How many games has he
won just by attacking the basket and getting put backs
or you know, knocking down big three pointers. He can
guard multiple positions. Plus he brings kind of an edge.
You could tell that he was well coached with Utah.
I think they've done a really good job. And let's
just like you said, Chris, a lot of those pieces
that they brought in were to play around Kevin Durant.

(43:17):
But when you get a guy like Royce O'Neil, he's
so good it really doesn't matter who he plays with.
You know, it's he's a classic role player. And you
know there are sometimes you don't even notice him out there,
but he's always he always seems to make an impact.
And I like the fact that he really gets it
done on the defensive end. Those are the kind of
players you win with. You need guys like Royce O'Neil
on your team. Yeah, and I tell Kaprin this all

(43:40):
the time. I'm president of the Royce O'Neil fan club. Yeah,
I talked about his clutch time numbers you mentioned it, right.
Two game winners this year, the game at Portland, the
game at Miami put backs right shot fifty percent in
clutch time minutes he played more. He played seventy more
minutes than any clutch time player in the nets this year.
He's just a guy, that is, he's a winning player

(44:00):
and a glue guy. And think about we talk about
reputations made in the postseason his first year. All right,
it's a guy that took the securitiest route to the NBA,
playing in the Bundeshliga Tapper and then coming in and
Utah trusts him as a rookie to be a starter

(44:21):
and they're in the playoffs that year. He got a
reputation as a really good defender because who is he guarding.
In the first round of the playoffs that year, it
was against Euston and he was guarding James Harden, so
you know, they kind of went like wow. It was like, Hi, everybody,
we look at this rookie out there is the veteran rookie,
kind of older rookie that's that's guarding James Harden. And
I'm not saying, you know, O'Neil his perimeter defense isn't

(44:44):
probably his strength, but he is one of those guys, Saarah,
you know we need somebody we need to change a
pace on Joel embiid. Let's see it. Let's throw Royst
O'Neil in there. You know, we need a guy to
change a pace on James Harden. Here, let's switch Roys
O'Neil out on them like he can do, Eliza, He's
a Swiss army knife. Royce O'Neill's hands or what impressed me.

(45:04):
You know, his unbelieved, this feel, and he understand when
he gets caught in situations when he against bigger player,
he understands the dude's work with his feet and then
he gets the ball down low. I don't know there's
a player with better hands at raking it out of
big man's hands better than Royce nil. Just another example
of the of the many things he does for a team.

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So now we're getting set here, like we haven't taught.
We just brought up Royce O'Neill on James Harden in
that playoff series, you know, years ago, when Royce is
a rookie. We've gone through this and we haven't really
even mentioned James Harden at all. In this, in this
you know previewing this Net Sixers playoffs series is going
to begin on Saturday. James Harden's had a really quietly

(45:48):
has had a really good year this year. Is a
sister over ten a game. He's over twenty points a
game when you look at it, I mean, Frank, when
you watch him as he kind of figured things out
and how to play with Joell eenbiad. That's always been
the big question with the Sixers. Dude, how you mix
in with Joel embiid. I think he has And I
also think you know, the one thing that he's adjusted

(46:11):
to a lot better. Remember you know, during the regular season,
go back five to six years ago. Yeah, he was
going to the foul line. It felt like fifteen eighteen
times a game because in the regular season they would
calling those fouls. Now the rip through move and everything else,
he's not getting those. He wasn't getting those calls in
the playoffs. I think he's adjusted to that. You know
a couple of things from him from postseason wise. I

(46:32):
you know, his last ever playoff game with the Brooklyn Nets.
Let's remember the guy was out there on one leg.
And I give him a lot of credit because superstar players.
You know, they're held to a different standard, and to
go out there when you're not even close to one
hundred percent. I thought that said a lot about him,
that he tried to gut his way through. I don't
like the way that he is the way he departed Brooklyn,
but his last every game with them, playoff game with them,

(46:54):
I thought that said a lot about him. But he's
got you know, he's got some warts on his player resume,
and you know the latest one is Game six against
Miami last year, So he'll be under pressure. He can score,
but he's not. He's not the threat that he once
was because I think athletically he's lost a little bit.

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I'm not as worried about him as I am about
a guy like Tyres Maxie, who's so darn quick and
just you know, blows past few. Harden is a threat.
I'm not trying to say that he's not a threat.
I just don't think he's as big of a threat
as he was a few years ago, that's for sure.
But he's had to play a different way. You know,
I've talked about in the past that the Sixers when
they had Ben Simmons, and let's not forget. Ben Simmons

(47:36):
was a you know, all star rookie of the year.
I mean he was a force even last time that
has played them in the playoffs in Philadelphia. But I
always use this analogy of a kaper. He loves it
when I would say that the Sixers were like brunch,
you know, it was. It was. And I never loved
brunch because I like to make a commitment to either
breakfast or lunch, right, I don't like to mix the two.
And I felt like they were. If you played one

(47:58):
way with Joel and b they were awesome. Me you
played another way with Ben Simmons, they were awesome. But
the two together, it was like having a chicken, you know,
a piece of chicken and an egg on the same plate.
It's just not natural. It just didn't work. Now they're
more like surf and turf. And I don't know that
doesn't mean that they're the best surf and turf, but
they they figured how to compliment each other. They can

(48:18):
both be main courses in each other, but they know
how to play together. Yep. And they've got a good
side piece, you know, picking up U. PJ. Tucker, you
know that's a good side you know, it's like that's
that's that's that's a that's a Brussels sprout, you know
what I mean, that's something you're like, he I think
they don't you think do you think PJ. Tucker was
kind of almost like a little bit of a Durant

(48:41):
stopper like that, Like they brought him in to be
that guy. And now you know, you know, if there's
no Durant anymore, maybe, but I still think he serves
a very good purpose for their team. He doesn't need
the basketball. He knows exactly who he is and if
left alone, you could maybe I mean, he can make
that or three at a close to forty percent this

(49:02):
year and over the last few years he shot it well.
I mean, some teams elect to put a guy like
Claxton on him and then they roam like like you know,
like the Celtics might do that with with Williams, Robert Williams.
They did it with Horford when I watched the last week. Uh,
maybe the Nets could do some of that, But he's

(49:22):
he's one of those intangible guys that I think really
helps their team. Well, Tim Capstraw, Frank Aisla, is there
anything we need to add before we u we move
on here, and what's been a pretty lengthy analysis of
the Net season and this series coming up. What's realistic
for the Brooklyn Nets? An upset? I think an upset

(49:44):
is is possible if they get to a game six,
would you guys be happy that's two wins and now
you're playing an elimination game on your court. I think
anything that has it where there's a threat, yeah, you know.
I think anything where the Nets sort of put a
fear into Philadelphia that it's a threat that the Sixers
have to work for this if they're going to get

(50:06):
through it. I think that's a step in the right
direction for Brooklyn. Yeah, I agree with that. That's perfectly sick. Uh.
And we're really really look forward to is you're not
have to get on an airplane, you know, We'll just
go down the turnpike. Get this one settle. I think
it's a it's gonna be fun just to see this
new group that I think. I think there's a I

(50:26):
think there's an energy about Net fans right now with
this new group. Um and I think that they've got
a team they could really root for and pull for.
And I think that's what makes this series exciting gets
underway on Saturday one o'clock. By the way, you can
you can listen to us on every game on the
radio if the Yankees are on, We're only on the

(50:46):
FM side. Just a little just a little uh, a
little programming note for everybody. And you could also hear
the games on the Brooklyn Nets app or on Series
Serious XM NBA Radio, where you could also find Frank
Sola every morning with former Net Brian Scalabrini on the
starting lineups, which I'm not just saying this because you're

(51:08):
on it, Um Kapern and I talk about all the time.
It's it's a must listen every day for the NBA fan.
It's the best best show. I'm glad it's on the
app right now, but I can't It's could be a
great TV show, and it's it's You and Brian are fabulous,
and I know Brian Myers is a great job as
your producer on But some of the callers are my favorite,

(51:31):
like extra cast members of a show that I've ever
heard ever. I get when they they start calling that
I get to know who they are now and I
get the biggest kick on it. How they how they
call in, you know, almost daily, and it's really really entertaining.
And as you guys know, the fans, you know, you

(51:51):
and you guys run into them at every single game.
You know, the fans are so passionate that that's they're
the reasons that we have the jobs that we have,
like to have like these crazy you're passionate fans. They're funny,
you know what you like about it too. They really
enjoy the sport. They root for their team. But I
would say of them, don't go overboard with you know,

(52:12):
you want to be passionate about your team and about
the sport without crossing that line. I think most fans
are like that. And yeah, and I will love the
way you and Brian you really respect those callers like
you respect their opinions and and you know, because they
know the league, Yeah they do, they know the league.
You're right. So it's a really fun listen. It's fun listen,

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and it's so much more than basketball. The way you
entertain Frank, the different Hey, you're a good impressions guy
like karino is and just I don't know, the wheel,
the wheel, the Kyrie wheel, and I mean the different
the different things you guys have created over the years
makes it not just basketball, but just you know, it's

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about entertaining two right, I mean, and I don't know
a show that compares with it. So I really enjoy day.
I really appreciate it. And we talked about it today
and I gave Brian Myers a hard time, who runs
everything for the NBA APP. I told them that the
great Chris Karino brought up a good point. We're not
playing enough radio calls, and when we do play radio calls,
we love to play. You know, we root for something

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good to happen in the net game because we could
play the calls that you guys do, because obviously you
guys are, you know, top shelf when it comes to broadcasters,
There's no doubt about it. I'm glad you made that point.
My point was to you yesterday when I saw you,
it was like Battle of the Broadcasters. Used to be
a lot more radio centric because you're on serious But
ever since it went to the app, you guys start
to play TV calls, and you know, the picture is

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the start. I agree. I agree. Plus, the radio call
always sounds good when you play it again on radio
because you're describing everything that's happening in that moment. A
lot of times when we're playing the TV calls to
your point, there's like pauses and things like that. You
got Tim doing the game with Ian Eagle and he's
laying out you know, we got we gotta get radio,

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Tim firing away and then you and but then you'll
go to Brian like, look at that, look at that radio.
I can't see it. I know, I know, all right,
good criticism, see no, I appreciate it. But how many
more shows you're doing today? You got this is got
around the horn twice this week, got a little nets
on Saturday. I don't know where I'm gonna be the

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Philadelphia or maybe we'll do it from the studio. We're
trying to figure that out. Hopefully I'll be there for
Game three in Brooklyn. I'm looking forward to that. Go
to Brooklyn. I see all the celebrities, Chris Kreino to
cap Straw, Alley Love, all the big celebrities you run
into and Barclays. Yeah, you never know where you're gonna
run into. Frank Soula, Tim cap Straw, I really appreciate

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you coming on here. Thanks for the time, and we'll
be doing this again soon, I'm sure. Thanks boys, all right,
my thanks to the great Tim cap Straw, my partner
of the last twenty one seasons. We have done done
close to it. I think it's gonna be close to
two hundred playoff games together and it's always on it,
exciting it again. You can hear all the games on
w FA N one or one point nine FM and

(55:05):
the Brooklyn Nets app especially as you get into the
postseason and you may have a national broadcast, you don't
have your local YES broadcast and you want to you
want to hear the Nets perspective on the game. You know,
you as a little side companion, you know, listen to
the game while you watch it Me and Kapper and
tweet us at b K Nets Radio is the way

(55:25):
to reach us. Thanks for the great Frank Isola for
joining us here, give us some insight. You can hear
Frank every morning on sirius XM NBA Radio and the
starting lineup heading to Philadelphia Nets and six ers or
one o'clock on Saturday game one. Maybe little cheese steak
after the game, might do that, or maybe go for

(55:46):
the roast pork broccoli rob Hero, which is the underrated
Philadelphia delicacy for me the roasted pork broccoli rob sandwich.
Underrated delicacy there for Piladelphia. There you go a little little, little,
uh little something to eat about that. For our finish

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here on the Voice of the Nats, my thanks to
Isaac Lee, our producer engineer, extraordinary thanks to Steve Goldberg.
We'll talk to you again during the series as we
get very NETS centric while the playoffs are going on,
and then we'll get back to some long long form
pieces after that. So thank you everybody for listening, subscribing.
This has been the Voice of the Nats. I'm Chris Carino.

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Enjoy the players,