July 4, 2023 • 43 mins
Chris is joined by NBA Big Board's Rafael Barlowe to discuss the Nets' Summer League roster and what to look for in a young prospect.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hey, what's going on. It's Chris Carrino. This is the
Voice of the Nets podcast, a weekly podcast where we
dive into the Nets and more in conversations with a
variety of guests, including players and coaches. Today on the show,
we're gonna be talking NBA Summer League with Raphael Barlow.
He is the director of scouting at NBA Bigboard dot Com.
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Does a great job for them. You can hear him
and on the Lockdown NBA big Board podcast you can
listen to all your podcast outlets and watch it on YouTube.
Rafael does a great job breaking down some of these
young players. So we're gonna talk to him about some
of the Nets rookies and other guys to keep an
eye under in the Nets Summer League, which begins on Friday,
July seventh. So good hoops talk with Raphael coming up.
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We're into free agency period right now. We'll comment and
talk about all those things as they become official, hopefully
get some of the new players on the summer League
is going to be coached in Vegas by Trevor Hendry.
Trevor became a full time assistant coach last year with
the Nets after being their head video coordinator guy that
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really started at the bottom. You know, video guy was
on the staff when Kenny Atkinson was the head coach.
And if you know the kind of coach that Kenny
Atkinson was looking at video and not sleeping much, you
can only imagine what it was like for Trevor Hendry.
But he started on the ground floor, has worked his
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way up and now will be the head coach for
the Summer League squad and their four games, the guaranteed
four games and then maybe some others starting on Friday,
July seventh. So congratulations to Trevor. A big, big summer
for Trevor, getting a chance to coach the Summer League
team and getting married. You know, best of luck for Trevor.
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One of the real good ones, Trevor Hendry, and good
luck to him in the Summer League. So we're going
to talk with Raphael Barlow about the squad that Trevor
will coach coming up and some good NBA basketball talk
with Raphael Barlow, scouting director at NBA big board dot
com and the podcast on the Lockdown NBA big Board
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podcast on YouTube and all your podcast outlets right here
on the Voice of the Nets. Raphael Barlow NBA Draft
content creator, podcast host, director of scouting at NBA Big Board, Raphael,
thanks so much for coming in here and giving us
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a few minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, no problem. Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I know you had the podcast as well on the
Lockdown podcast network. The Big Board you do a lot
in terms of studying players, whether they be in the
United States internationally, in preparing people the Big Board referring
to the NBA Draft. So I would imagine the last
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month or so NBA Draft going into Summer League. I mean,
this is your time of the year to shine, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
We're almost have to finish line. So it's kind of like,
you know, you have this big lead up to this,
and I was like, okay, well next month, what do
I do? Okay, I guess I'll focused on twenty twenty
four draft. But yeah, this is my I mean, this
is like you said, my time of the year is
where it gets really busy. But this is what I
work so hard for the previous months just to get
up to this point.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Now, the NBA really doesn't stop. I mean we go
right from the NBA Finals to the NBA Draft to
Summer League. Maybe they'll be a little lull but then
we're going to have the you know, the World Cup,
you know, Basketball World Championships coming up, and then that'll
take us right into training camp in the NBA season.
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Your world probably doesn't stop much either though we talk
about this being kind of a busy time, but player
evaluation on guys that the NBA will be interested in
potentially down the road, Uh, is something I'm sure is
a year long thing that you're studying.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, you forgot free agency? Well that's true.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
How that.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
One of the biggest days of the years your life first?
But yeah, it just it's really not stop. I think
the NBA has done a good job of making basketball
year round to where if you're a basketball fan, there's
always something going on to look forward to, even if
it's just you know, follow the international players planning their
their World Cups or euro Basket or something like that overseas.
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But you got in love with NBA is done for
making this is such a year round event.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Is it harder for teams to discover those diamonds in
the rough not because they're not available or you can't
find them, but because everybody has so much information Now
everybody sees these players play. It's almost like there's no
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there's no stone unturned right now and everybody has access
to it. So is there going to kind of be
less of these guys that kind of come out of nowhere?
In your in your expertise, I.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Still say there are guys that can come out of nowhere,
simply because it could just be a guy that develops
really really late. I know on my NBA big Board
news letter, I did an article about a kid named
Vincent Valerio Bolden who was planning Hungary, who was six '
nine and they shut over forty percent from three and
not many teams had heard him. Actually, I think he
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worked out for the Nets, if I'm not mistaken, and
just not many teams that heard of him. He was
definitely under the radar and then came to the States late,
didn't have this visa information or whatever, so he couldn't
do the combine. I was able to get some workouts,
and I think he's playing summer League for a team,
so he is. I don't think he's going to be
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like Yokich or you know, NBA star, but he is
someone that has slipped under the radar because he didn't
come from a country hungry that is known for having
like a deep basketball background. So I do think there
are guys, depending on where they're at in the world,
that can follow under the radar.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, I guess you know, as I'm as I'm looking
at you on our video monitor right now, a lot
of people are just listening to this, but I'm looking
at you and behind you there is a book entitled
Yiannis behind you and and I guess that would be
kind of the dream scenario for teams, for scouts to
find a guy who can develop into who is who
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is going to blossom like the Jannis did at some point.
So I guess I guess I was trying to say,
is you know, everybody knows about everybody now at a
very young age. But I guess it's a guy that
you can take a chance on young enough that can
blossop into that type of player. And I don't know
if it's fair for the Yannis comparison with a lot
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of people, but certainly that's something that gets thrown around
now a little bit. Well, you know, Yannis is the
thirteenth pick. Well, look at what Yannis looked like when
he was drafted. I think I heard that with wem
Bin Yama recently. You know, he can be if he
can start, if he can look like Yannis in five years,
you know, look out. It's a tough comparison.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, yeah, man, I think what Yannis is just a
mentality and I read the book and just his mindset
and his desire and willingness to be great. Its kind
of what separates him. Of course, he has the physical tools,
and I actually think that there are I think there's
some players walking around the continent of Africa that have
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Giannis's physical tools as far as just length and athleticism
and so on. But it's just the mindset and the
work ethic and hunger that really separates Jiannis, and you know,
the comparison to win beyond but I mean that that
would be great. I do think that Victor does have
that competitive mindset. I think he does want to be great,
So I think that is sort of a fair comparison,
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just huge difference. Victor's been on the radar for a
long time now and y As he came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Well, I think Victor, I think there what they was
trying to say is that if he can develop his body, yeah,
in close to how Yannis has done it because Gianni's
was such a frail guy coming out when he was
so young, and then developed into this you know, muscular, lean,
powerful guy. I mean obviously when Byam has got way
more skills, I think than Yannis had when he came
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into the league. So yeah, if he can, if he
can just physically work on his self, then I think
that would be you know, yeah, we'll look out for
this if he can become that strong.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
And I think the biggest difference is is, you know,
for any Yanni's book, he grew up so poor that
the reason why he was so skinny was because he
was malnourished. And I remember reading in the book they
talked about when he was kind of discovered, they took
him in I guess, to do some testing and the
doctor thought it was the body of an eighty year
old man just because he was so malnourished and he
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wasn't eating. And I think they described it as it
would be like putting coca cola in your in your
gas tank of your car. That's just how bad he
was eating. So I think for him, just eating you know,
good foods on top of the work ethic and lifting
helped him out so I think Victor does have a
bigger deficit in a sense because he has you know,
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been eating well, he didn't have the same background.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
He's been in the he's been in the program since
he's you know, thirteen, fourteen years old, and yeah, professional
leagues there. You know you mentioned though, that desire, that
that competitiveness, that fire, that drive. You spent a lot
of time scouting players before they get to the NBA.
You're going to be out in Las Vegas watching summer
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league guys who are trying to make a mark, trying
to either make a team or make you know, enough
of an impression that other teams will grab them. How
difficult is it for you to identify that fire, that hunger,
that passion to make themselves better when you're scouting young seventeen, eighteen,
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nineteen year old players that are trying to make their mark.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, to me, that's the hardest part of it, just
because that doesn't always show up on film. We can
watch film and you can see talent. You can see
whether guy has a great wings, fan, if he's athletic,
or you can shoot. But the hard part is how
do you determine what a nineteen year old does once
she has a guaranteed contract and he has millions of
dollars in the bank. There's some guys their goal was
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to make it to the NBA, right, and then once
they make it, they're comfortable. I think that's the hardest part.
And I have a theory that when guys are top
ten picks or first round picks and they end up
becoming quote unquote bust. I don't think it's talent. I
think a lot of it is, whether it's injuries, situation,
and sometimes it's just the desire or just the difficulty
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of you know, you've been a star your whole life.
Then you get to the NBA and you're, you know,
now the ninth or tenth man, and you go from
not getting in games, you don't know when you're going
to play again. Are you mature enough to handle it?
Can you handle it professionally? And you're expected to do
this at nineteen twenty years old, And then you can
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dig yourself and supp up in such a ditch as
far as like having a negative perception around your name.
But you could be out by twenty two or twenty three,
or you're just only getting camp bills and you got
to climb out of that hole. So that's the hardest part.
It's just the maturity. And again we're talking of nineteen
year olds getting millions of dollars. Me think about when
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we were nineteen, Like if someone gave us like a
million dollars.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Well, I don't know. I was I was always like
I was nineteen going on forty, Which maybe I didn't
enjoy myself as much when I was nineteen as as
I should have. But yeah, I get what you're saying,
and I think that it's important also where you end
up sometimes you know, the environment, the coaching staff, the organization,
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the teammates that you're with. I really do think that's
a you know, all sports. Yeah, that could really shape
a young guy and set him on the right path
or set him back. And I think a lot of
those times you talk about bus guys just aren't in
the right situation.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, I agree hundred percent. I mean I look at
it like I heard the story about Alan Iverson when
he was with the Sixers. You know, he was Alan Iverson.
He was an icon in a sense, but he didn't
have the best habits as far as lifestyle, working out.
I mean, he was a one of one. I mean
I read that he could eat seventeen tackles before a game,
is still go on score forty. Well, when he had
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like a rookie and Iverson was what, let's say twenty eight,
and then there may have been a rookie that when
guys had come out of high school and that was nineteen,
Iverson was probably like on your walls, your posters, he
wore shoes, he wanted to dress like him. And if
he's like, hey, we're going out tonight, I mean, I imagine
how many rookies fell for that trap. They stayed out
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to five in the morning. But now the team is like,
this guy isn't dedicated. I mean, I've just heard so
many different stories like that about young guys that tried
to keep up with like these crazy elite talented max
player guys and they couldn't do what they were able
to do. It kind of put them in a situation
where they were out the league early.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, it's funny. I always think of the story that
Charles Barkley tells about having Moses Malone as his teammate,
and you know when Moses kind of said to him,
you're fat, Yeah, and this is what you have to do,
and he would make him come over his house and
they would talk about, you know, how he was going
to work on his body and stay ready for game.
And Charles Barkley credits Moses Malone for helping him stay
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in the league. And you think about it, if he
doesn't have that teammate, if he gets drafted to another team,
maybe it goes in a completely different direction.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, and think about it. In today's game, I think
Barkley was the top five pick, maybe fourth pick. If
you're a top five pick, you're not getting a Moses
Malone on your team. You're going to a team where
you know your veteran might be two years older than you,
So I think that's a huge difference. Or if you
do have a veteran on your team, he's not the
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caliber of Moses Malone or Doctor J. You're automatically seeing
as like the face of the franchise in a sense
if you're a top five pick. So a lot of
guys don't have that veteran leadership.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
When I look at what the Nets have and trying
to do in the post Superstar era, it's I think
sometimes about building an organization with the kind of culture
and character that would enable you to develop young players
and so that when when you do get a young
player coming to the system, it's it's something that's going
to help him grow as a person as a player.
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When I see the NETS signing a player like Cam
Johnson now to a deal, not letting him go and
with his relationship with Michel Bridges, I was struck by.
You know, recently I interviewed the three NETS draft picks
that two of them will be playing in the summer
League in Las Vegas coming up in Noah Clowney and
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Jalen Wilson from Kansas. And then you know, Derek Whitehead
is still out he had the procedure done on his foot,
so he won't play in the summer League. But when
I talked to all three of these guys, I mean
they were all very different in their personalities, but all
very mature and pleasant and good energy about them. Like
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I was, I was struck by the personalities of all three.
And I just want to, you know, go through some
of the players that were going to be seeing with
the Nets in Vegas with you. Because you study all
these guys, You've been to games, you've watched them, you
projected where they might go, what their impact could be
in the NBA. You know, Noah Clowney is a soft spoken,
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quiet guy, but I found him to be very introspective
and thoughtful. And people are describing him as like Nick
Claxton with a jump shot. I don't know if that's
fair to Nick Claxton. I don't know if it's fair
to Noah Clowney. But where did you have Noah on
the big board, the NBA big board? And what are
net fans looking forward to seeing out of Noah Clowney. Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I had him in the twenties, I think, my laugh
and you know I do so many mocks. I think
the last one I had him going twenty three to Portland, Okay.
And so he went higher than that.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
He went twenty He went twenty one one. So the
Nets had twenty one and twenty two. So you felt
that the Nets would have maybe maybe it could have
had maybe there was somebody else the Nets might have taken,
in your opinion, and then you know he would have slipt,
but he did. The Nets did take him at twenty one.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah. I like him a lot. One thing about his
story that I like is that even though he was
a four star recruit. He wasn't someone that was crowned
as a one and done. He was considered to be
somewhat of a project, maybe a two to three year player,
and he had a really good year. I mean you
round up the numbers, ten points, eight rebounds per game,
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around a block per game, and he has this underdog
mentality in the sense, but it's kind of like a
quiet underdog. It's not a pound my chest. Hey, I
wasn't ready to hide, but I think that he is
someone that is mature. He's only eighteen years old. He's
still eighteen years old. Doesn't turn nineteen to guests in
the middle of Summer League, so he'll be celebrating his
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nineteenth birthday in Las Vegas, which is not a bad
place to celebrate your birthday.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Well, I mentioned he was the youngest player the NETS
had ever drafted until about four minutes later when Derek
White had it was about three weeks younger than him
was drafted.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, I like him a lot. The shooting is it's
interesting because you see the touches there. If you just
look at the numbers on paper, then you could say,
why are they saying this guy's a shooter because then
we shot like twenty eight percent from three and yeah,
it wasn't like eighty percent foul shooter. But I do
think the touch is there. And if he is Nick Claxton,
I mean Nick took a few years to develop, and
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Nick was not as good as Clowney as a freshman
when he was at Georgia.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, and I think he he had mentioned Clowne mentioned
to me that he had a couple of slumps in
the middle of the year where he had like an
over for nineteen stretch from three and then an oh
for twenty one stretch. So you know, he felt like
that brought his numbers down. But you know, these days,
everybody's looking for a big who can stretch the floor. Yeah,
so we'll, you know, we'll see what he become. Like
you said, so young, So these guys are incredibly young.
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We're also we're not going to see Derek Whitehead in
Summer League. But he was the opposite end of Clowney
coming out of high school. I mean, he was the
you know, maybe the top one or two guys supposedly
coming out of high school, and an injury kind of
set him back. And I would imagine if But where
do you think his game is going to be in
the NBA. If let's say, if I told you I
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gave you a crystal ball and said the injury is
not an issue, what do you think the kind of
player the nets are getting?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
You know, what's interesting about Whitehead is that coming into
this season, he was the guy that if I talked
to ten scouts, whether it's guys that's just scout, Grassroows,
basketball college or even NBA, he was the guy that
consistently was everyone's favorite interview as far as just personality, maturity.
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I mean, everybody just really had good things to say,
to the point where even if he had weaknesses, people
didn't really want to point them out because they liked
the kid so much. And when I watched this film,
I'll be honest, I was not the biggest Threek white
hit fan film. I didn't know how he fit. I
saw that he had a bunch of things that he
did good, but I didn't see like the one thing
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that he did that really really stood out. But I
did think that he was going to be a lottery pick.
Then he gets the injury, then he has to play
this super reduced role at Duke he's not himself and
he stands in the corner and he shot like forty
three percent from three. So I actually became higher on
Dreek saying like a scaled down version of himself because
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he showed that he can well one, he can play
with anybody in the sense because he played at those
loaded mont Vert teams that had a bunch of guys
already in the NBA, and then he was there like
really early, but just in the reduced role. He was
a star in his role at Duke as a shooter,
and I know he didn't sign up to go to
to just be a guy that stands in the corner.
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So I think if he puts it all together, at
the minimum, he's your floor spacer. But he can't pass,
he can't handle, and I'm sure he'll athleticism will look
better once he's fully healthy. So I've grown on him
since the injury. I'm probably like the opposite most people
were really high on him before, but he's definitely changed
my perception.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, it's interesting, and a lot of times guys are
just so athletic and powerful that they rely on that
in high school and they don't develop that, you know,
and he had the ability to get out there and
shoot the three, and you know, in the role he did,
and like you said, you try and get into the
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you try and get into the mindset of guys and
their psychology, and you know, you want to know how
smart a player there are. And his ability to sort
of become a role guy and be a star in
his role at Duke, even though it wasn't something he
was used to doing, it probably shows you a little
bit about out who he is as a basketball player
in terms of you know, his his basketball IQ that
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people like to throw around.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, and like I said, everybody raved about him, and
I think he showed it because, like you said, he
was the guy he was. I mean you can make
a case and say he was the highlight or the
marquee name. And their recruiting class, which was it had
like four four like five stars. Yeah, he just settled.
I mean Lively there. Lively settled for much smaller role
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than he probably anticipated too. But I was just really
impressed with the shooting.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, Lively was a guy I think that that had
gone on a lot of nets to the nets and
a lot of mocks, but then you know, he ended
up going well higher because I think people see that
same thing. Yeah, like there's this this raw talent and
maybe he had a reduced role to Duke, but when
you put him in the right system, you know, it
can be really strong. It is there still sort of like,
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you know, when I look at the Nets Jalen Wilson
and Ken's who did this tow in the NBA Draft
the year before and then decided to go back to
Kansas and one Big twelve player of the year. Is
there still this bias? You know, because you talked about
the first two guys are eighteen years old and here's
Wilson twenty two years old, spent four years at Kansas,
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had a red shirt year. That's why he's thought a
year of eligibility if he wanted to. But there's almost
like we've seen so much of them, there isn't as
much upside to look at. But I almost feel like
Jalen Wilson's a guy that can come in and help
the Nets right away. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And I've followed Jalen for years. I lived in the
Dallas area, this is where he's from, so I've seen
him play in pickups. I remember when RJ. Hampton was
like one of the higher names coming into the draft,
and I was filming RJ. Hampton do some pre draft
workouts and Jalen was working out with them, and he's
just kind of had a steady, steady climb. I thought
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he really showed what he's capable of this year. It's
kind of like the opposite of what we're talking about
with Derek Jaylie. Wilson was on the championship team and
then this past season he has like this role as
Kansas's go to guy. Me he had some big games
the Big Twelve in my opinion, I mean, some people
may say the Big East, but the Big Twelve is
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the toughest conference in basketball. For him to win Player
of the Year. He does a little bit of everything.
He rebounds, he can pass, he's getting better as a shooter.
So he's kind of like in an acquired taste in
a sense, because you may look at him and say, well,
he doesn't have the same upside as a Clowney or
a white head because he's older and he's experienced. But
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I do think that he can come in, if given
the opportunity, can come in and contribute because he does
the little things and if he can knock down open shots.
Then I think he's really going to be effective because
he has the ability to wear If the team is
closing out on him, he can make that play, can
be a ball mover any hustles. He plays hard, So
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I think he can't help.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah. The director one of the assistant coaches at Kansas
for a very long time, guy named Fred Kornelbaum, who
he played at Fordham when I was there as a
student broadcaster, so I know Fred a little ben. After
the draft, he texted me and he sent me a
note on Twitter and just said, this guy's a stud.
You're gonna love him. So I think we'll see now,
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and I would expect him. You know, sometimes these guys
that are their games a little more polished, or they're
a little more experienced. Like the thing about summer League,
I try and project this rap fail and you sit
there and you watch these summer league games. They can
be in one way. Yes, you can see what a
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guy can do. You can project what he's capable of.
In the NBA. In some ways, there's a little fool's
gold sometimes because of the the way players approach summer league.
Some guys can stand out, but maybe it doesn't translate
the NBA. When you're watching these Summer league games, what
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does it tell you about how you can project what
kind of NBA players they're going to be. I know
that's a pretty broad and rangy question there, but maybe
you can follow where I'm going with that.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, it's tough because, for example, we'll use Cam Thomas
in a sense and maybe this is.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
The legendary Summer League player over the last two years.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
That role that he plays in Summer League is not
the role that he's going to play, except when he
does get the opportunity he plays the same.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah. I mean we saw Summer League Cam a few
times in this year, including three games in a row
we had forty or more points.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, so I think that's just him. But it's usually
the guys that score a lot that kind of makes
me pause in the sense because they're not going to
have that same role. But the guys that knockdown open
shots or defend those are the more translatable roles in
a sense. So even if it's a point guard and
he's a distributor, he's setting the table, he's picking up
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guys full court, then you can say, okay, well, maybe
he can be a team's backup point guard fifteen minutes
a night guy, because he's gonna bring the energy, he's loud,
he's a leader. Like I said, those are more projectable,
But when I see like the big scoring numbers, it
kind of gives me. Unless it's like a rookie that
was like a lottery pick or something like that, then
you know that they're going to give those opportunities. But
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as far as just like projecting, it's always tough because
one they're not playing against the high level NBA players.
Summer league guys maybe a little bit smaller. You. You
don't have the same size in the NBA, the same athleticism,
So it is tough. But I think, like I said,
certain things are always going to translate, which is usually shooting, defense, energy,
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hustle and so on.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, and sometimes it's a way for guys to get
a teams to get a look at players early on.
Like we talked about, you're trying to find those guys
that may blossom late. You know. I remember a guy
like you know, the Nets a few years ago had
Utah Watanabe and you know, play in the summer league
and then you look, you know, he ends up going
to a couple other organizations, but then the nets bring
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him back. He had a good year last year, although
he was you know, banged up a little bit. I
know he's going to be heading out now, but you know,
certainly it's a chance for teams to get a look
at some of these guys on their way up and
probably notice things that that maybe they wouldn't have noticed otherwise,
just by having a guy, I guess being practice with them,
how he interact with his teammates. Like you said, there's
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there's there's certain things you could just look for on film,
and then there's certain things you could look at when
you're court side, but there's other ways where you can
look at how a guy operates within your your locker room,
within with your coaches and things like that, and even.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Maturity, like I know a story where there was I
don't think it's like intentional, but Vegas is a place.
So if you want to see how a guy can
handle like the future NBA, you throw them in Vegas
in the summer league for a few days and sometimes
you can tell whether a guy is gonna make it
or not. And I have a friend and I mean
he just totally blew his opportunity, and I think the
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team they knew that he kind of had some character issues,
but they knew he was talented, talented enough to maybe
be a back end roster player. And you know how
like in Summer League, you may play one game and
then the next game you may not play because some
teams may carry like twenty guys on the roster. Well,
he was young and made the mistake of thinking, Okay,
so I'm not playing today or tomorrow, so I'm gonna
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enjoy Vegas goes out all night, comes in five o'clock
in the morning, and you know, the team hotels, like
the guys are decision makers. They're up early in the morning.
They may be down in the lobby or Starbucks whatever
reading that well nobody reached the paper anymore, but you know,
in the cof or whatever. Yeah, and you know they
see you stumbling in late and you're on a basically
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a try it out. Then they understand like, okay, well
he doesn't even have the money yet. So I think
the Summer League can also just be a good test
of character. I mean, and I think that a lot
of the guys are they're really on a tryout, and
so you have to be your your best self. Of course,
the guys that are you know, signed the contracts, they
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have a little bit more stability. But teams are monitoring
everything as far as like, like you said, how you
interact with your teammates and so on. And this particular
guy another game, he didn't since he wasn't playing, he
didn't have one like the proper socks underneath this uniform.
I mean, just totally blew his opportunity, which I mean,
he's made a good career in Europe. But it's the
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little things like that the Summer League that that aren't
really discussed.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Some Really, the Vegas has become short of this uh
NBA convention, you know, because even even the star players
now show up yep, and they'll they'll be a round
and yeah you can. It's like the Christmas party in
your company. Nobody really will get promoted from the Christmas
party probably, but a lot of people eventually down the
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road would get fired by their behavior at the Christmas party.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I like that analogy. That's very true.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Raphael. What do you what do you look for when
you're that you can't see by watching these guys on
film that you go to Summer League and you sit
up close and you're trying to see project some of
these guys or maybe even are you are you watching
guys and thinking, all, right, where did I have them before?
Was I wrong about that? Right about that? And you
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know what can you see more of when you're when
you've got them all in one place and you're up
close and you're in person.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Well, Summer League ten years ago, you used to be
able to sit up close and watch and now you're like,
you leave your seats, go get something eat. You might
be up in a three hundred sections.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
So it's amazing how it's grown.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, I remember just being able to sit in the
front row at the Thomas and Mack just be able
to walk down And now it's just tough. But yeah,
I looked to yeah, one, see if there's something maybe
I missed, Maybe try to put things in context. So
maybe why this guy didn't do this in the college
level because he wasn't given the opportunity. I remember last
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year just being impressed with chet Holmgren a few games
that he played as a passer and being able to
bring the ball up the floor. You didn't really see
a lot of that at Gonzaga and then with Palo
Bank Carrol last year. I was a huge Bank Carrol fan,
and I saw in high school. I saw on this
high school film that he played like this hybrid point center,
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and then we saw that in Summer League where they
let him initiate the offense. So little things like that
to you know, like, for example, I think Jarris Walker
for the Pacers, I think they're going to give him
some opportunities as a ball handler in a passer because
he was really good at that in high school but
didn't get a chance to show that with Houston this
past season. So there's I look for that. But Summer
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League is also tough in a sense because if you
look at like the top guys, they hadn't played pick up,
their last game was probably in April, so they're usually
a little bit out of shape and so and I
mean they're in like basketball shape, but during this whole
pre draft process, they're only working out. They're not playing
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five on five getting up and down the court. So
I put that in the back of my mind. If
a guy kind of struggles a little bit, is because
it's his first five on five contact since the seasoned
in it, because you know when you're expected to go
that high. They're definitely not trying to have you risk
any injuries playing five on five, So that's something to
look out for. And then just seeing how how players
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react to just the NBA rules, the spacing and the
length and the athleticism is probably a little bit better
better in college. So, I mean there's so many things
that I look out for.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Well, you're looking at you know, we talked about the
rookies that be playing for the Nets their draft picks,
but on their roster, is there anybody that kind of
stands out that you would, uh, that that fan should
kind of be curious to see, or that you're curious
to see and maybe a little high on and want
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to see more of here as we get ready to
watch these Vegas Summer League games.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, there's a few guys. One is Kennedy Chandler. He
was someone that I thought was the first round pick
last year. I knew the size was going to work
against them. Yeah, I thought, yeah, And I mean that's
probably being generous and I thought that. I mean he
was really good. I want to say, he shot like
thirty eight percent from three in college. I remember his
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last game against Michigan. He just totally just kind of
blew up their dropped coverage and just his ability to
get in the lane. I thought he's a good passer.
Then he falls to the second round, which shocked me.
But then I thought Memphis felt like they had a steal.
He is a hometown kid, and they gave them like
the largest rookie second round contract I believe. I want
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to say it was like almost five million guaranteed, and
then a year later he's with the NETS Summer League teams.
I don't know exactly what went wrong in Memphis, but
I know he struggled from three only shot twenty one
percent from three in the G League. So he's someone
that I'm looking to see if he can make an impact.
One thing about the NET Summer League team is that
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they have a bunch of guys that can pass the ball.
It's like either they're looking for shooters or playmakers, and
their playmakers aren't like your traditional playmakers. So you got
Rekwoned Gray, who I'm sure you remember. But he had
that sixteen to nine and seven game at the end
of the year, which is almost pretty much what he
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averaged in the G League. In assistem I mean he
didn't average seven assists per game.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Not like a highly athletic guy. But he's got good
size and yeah, like he's got a skilled kind of
old man game a little bit about it.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
He's like a he can't put him in a box.
Like when you look at him, you say, Okay, this
guy is going to be like this below the rim
finisher bruiser that you see, Like he's i mean a
natural playmaker. And then there's Jordan Hall, who I liked
out of Saint Joe's. Another guy that is just a
big natural playmaker, loves to play fast, and he's a
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respectable shooter. It's just that's pretty much all he can do.
Like he doesn't really do much inside the paint. I
would even guess fifty percent of his shots with the
long Island nets and not so not long but Austin
spurs were threes and he shot about thirty five thirty six,
which is pretty consistent with you know how he shot
at Saint Joe's. But I think he has some versatility.
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He's going to be interesting to watch. And then as
far as like the shooters, Matt Lewis is a good shooter.
I think he's been in the high thirties, his you know,
two years playing professionally. And then there is Armani Brooks
and and told me a few weeks back that I
guess he did a mini camp with the Nets and
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they liked him enough to what they just told him
to stay. And so he's he had a good run
in Houston at one point. But I think as a
he has a role as a defined shooter. So I
think if he shoots the ball well, then he may
be someone that can stick.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Probably a guy with Yeah, I know, Marnibotship is a
name people would know, so it's I think it'd be
interesting to watch him play with him. Uh are you
are you scouting the weather report in Las Vegas? Raphael?
Are you ready for the heat?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Well? I had just had this conversation and I was
in New York for the draft and it was nice.
And then I get back to Dallas and it's like
one hundred and something.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah, you patch him ridiculously hot weather.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
It's like one o two. And then I look at
Vegas and I normally don't have to look at the
temperature in Vegas because you just know it's going to
be hot. But then I saw one day. I think
it said it's going to be like one thirteen, and
I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
To try heat, it's a draft.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Well, to me, hot is hot. I hear people say
it's a dry heat or it's humid, Like hot is hot.
But what I'm more concerned about is what the temperature
is going to be in the Thomas and Mack. Is
it going to be thirty degrees? It could be thirty five?
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Do they crank up? Did they crank up the A
and the Thomas and Mac?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Oh my gosh, it's so cold, like it's it's freezing
in there. And I get it because you know, it's
so hot outside, But I mean, you really have to
bring a sweatshirt because if you're staying there all day
like I do it, it's it's cold. It's it's freezing.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Maybe it's just the contrast of being outside and you're
coming it just feels cold.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
No, it's it's cold. It's it's freezing there, and then
you go outside to you know, try to warm up,
and then it like you warm up instantly and then
you go back in. So if anybody's listening, bring a
sweatshirt or something, just have it with you. Because if
you plan on being there all day, you're gonna need.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
It, all right, and make sure you're away from all
the pitfalls of Las Vegas before you.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, I don't gamb I can't afford to lose any money,
so Vegas is not a temptation city for me.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
All right. Well, that's a good thing. That's a very
good thing. Raphael Barlow. We really appreciate you giving us
a few minutes here and giving us your thoughts on
some of what to watch for the NETS this year
in Summer League and some other good stuff. I enjoyed
our conversation. Again. You can see all Raphael's stuff NBA
big Board, the NBA big Board podcast unlocked on Sports Network.
(39:36):
Is there anything else that you want people to know
about where they can find you and watch your stuff
that you'll be able to imagine reporting things from Summer
League as we go along.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, I have the NBA big Board newsletter, and I
have a preview of, you know, all the Summer League,
starting off with the California Classic, which is coming up
with the NETS I planning, but then I have the
Vegas one and and I'll be doing recaps on my podcast.
And it's also on YouTube. If you just type type
in locked on NBA big Board, you can find it
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on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast. So if
you like draft related content, I know the draft is over,
but if you like content it's regarding like the rookies
or players in the draft, you'll be able to get
at least for the next few weeks. At least seven
forms of content for me in a week. So it's
a lot, but I really enjoy what I do.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
That's awesome. Raphael's and on Twitter at Barlow b A
R L O W E five hundred on Twitter. If
you have enough views left on Twitter to find it,
I know it has. People have seen. It's been restricted
now like if you only look at a certain number
of tweets.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Today, I'm in trouble and incredibly that.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
They would decide to do is right as NBA free
agency frenzy gets going right. It is just I don't
know if Elon Musk is a is an NBA probably not.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Can't be. Can't be.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
I appreciate it, Raphael, thank you so much for your
insight here and again check out raphael stuff on YouTube, Twitter,
all that kind of stuff. Raphael really appreciate joining us.
Thank you, thank you so much for the opportunity. All right,
thanks to Rafael Barlow, NBA big Board dot Com. I'm
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a locked on podcast network. I want to thank Rafael
for his insight there on the net. Summer League team
that'll be getting going on Friday, July seventh, all the
games either on NBA TV or ESPN U, ESPN two.
You can check out the nets in the Summer League.
Want to just in closing, I always give you a
little something to watch or listen to. This is an
(41:48):
homage to someone we lost this week, the great Alan Arkin.
You talk about a two way player, a guy who
could be comedic andre attic. Alan Arkin, passing away at
the age of eighty nine, nominated for four Academy Awards,
won one. And I think my favorite movie of all
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time in Alan Arkin, and we'll refer to it. I
quote this movie all the time during our NETS broadcast
The in Laws, Tim Capstrow point out a team zeing
the ball around the court, and I'll say a z
great film. Great film. Late seventies. He was also nominated
as Best Lead Actor for his first feature role as
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a lead actor, one of the handful of people ever
to do that back in the late sixties a film
called The Russians Are Coming. The Russians Are Coming kind
of a really goofy comedy, but he was nominated for
Best Actor. And if there's something you could watch, the
last role of his career a show called The Kaminsky
Method on Netflix where he was in the twilight of
(42:57):
his career and it was a poignants Little Miss Sunshine
another one great performance where is nominated for an Academy Award.
So rest in peace to the great Alan Arkin. Something
for you to dive into, perhaps in the summer and
you got a little time off, you know, if you
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Hey, what's going on. It's Chris Carrino. This is the
Voice of the Nets podcast, a weekly podcast where we
dive into the Nets and more in conversations with a
variety of guests, including players and coaches. Today on the show,
we're gonna be talking NBA Summer League with Raphael Barlow.
He is the director of scouting at NBA Bigboard dot Com.
(00:34):
Does a great job for them. You can hear him
and on the Lockdown NBA big Board podcast you can
listen to all your podcast outlets and watch it on YouTube.
Rafael does a great job breaking down some of these
young players. So we're gonna talk to him about some
of the Nets rookies and other guys to keep an
eye under in the Nets Summer League, which begins on Friday,
July seventh. So good hoops talk with Raphael coming up.
(00:58):
We're into free agency period right now. We'll comment and
talk about all those things as they become official, hopefully
get some of the new players on the summer League
is going to be coached in Vegas by Trevor Hendry.
Trevor became a full time assistant coach last year with
the Nets after being their head video coordinator guy that
(01:19):
really started at the bottom. You know, video guy was
on the staff when Kenny Atkinson was the head coach.
And if you know the kind of coach that Kenny
Atkinson was looking at video and not sleeping much, you
can only imagine what it was like for Trevor Hendry.
But he started on the ground floor, has worked his
(01:40):
way up and now will be the head coach for
the Summer League squad and their four games, the guaranteed
four games and then maybe some others starting on Friday,
July seventh. So congratulations to Trevor. A big, big summer
for Trevor, getting a chance to coach the Summer League
team and getting married. You know, best of luck for Trevor.
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One of the real good ones, Trevor Hendry, and good
luck to him in the Summer League. So we're going
to talk with Raphael Barlow about the squad that Trevor
will coach coming up and some good NBA basketball talk
with Raphael Barlow, scouting director at NBA big board dot
com and the podcast on the Lockdown NBA big Board
(02:25):
podcast on YouTube and all your podcast outlets right here
on the Voice of the Nets. Raphael Barlow NBA Draft
content creator, podcast host, director of scouting at NBA Big Board, Raphael,
thanks so much for coming in here and giving us
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a few minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, no problem. Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I know you had the podcast as well on the
Lockdown podcast network. The Big Board you do a lot
in terms of studying players, whether they be in the
United States internationally, in preparing people the Big Board referring
to the NBA Draft. So I would imagine the last
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month or so NBA Draft going into Summer League. I mean,
this is your time of the year to shine, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
We're almost have to finish line. So it's kind of like,
you know, you have this big lead up to this,
and I was like, okay, well next month, what do
I do? Okay, I guess I'll focused on twenty twenty
four draft. But yeah, this is my I mean, this
is like you said, my time of the year is
where it gets really busy. But this is what I
work so hard for the previous months just to get
up to this point.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Now, the NBA really doesn't stop. I mean we go
right from the NBA Finals to the NBA Draft to
Summer League. Maybe they'll be a little lull but then
we're going to have the you know, the World Cup,
you know, Basketball World Championships coming up, and then that'll
take us right into training camp in the NBA season.
(04:04):
Your world probably doesn't stop much either though we talk
about this being kind of a busy time, but player
evaluation on guys that the NBA will be interested in
potentially down the road, Uh, is something I'm sure is
a year long thing that you're studying.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, you forgot free agency? Well that's true.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
How that.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
One of the biggest days of the years your life first?
But yeah, it just it's really not stop. I think
the NBA has done a good job of making basketball
year round to where if you're a basketball fan, there's
always something going on to look forward to, even if
it's just you know, follow the international players planning their
their World Cups or euro Basket or something like that overseas.
(04:49):
But you got in love with NBA is done for
making this is such a year round event.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Is it harder for teams to discover those diamonds in
the rough not because they're not available or you can't
find them, but because everybody has so much information Now
everybody sees these players play. It's almost like there's no
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there's no stone unturned right now and everybody has access
to it. So is there going to kind of be
less of these guys that kind of come out of nowhere?
In your in your expertise, I.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Still say there are guys that can come out of nowhere,
simply because it could just be a guy that develops
really really late. I know on my NBA big Board
news letter, I did an article about a kid named
Vincent Valerio Bolden who was planning Hungary, who was six '
nine and they shut over forty percent from three and
not many teams had heard him. Actually, I think he
(05:51):
worked out for the Nets, if I'm not mistaken, and
just not many teams that heard of him. He was
definitely under the radar and then came to the States late,
didn't have this visa information or whatever, so he couldn't
do the combine. I was able to get some workouts,
and I think he's playing summer League for a team,
so he is. I don't think he's going to be
(06:13):
like Yokich or you know, NBA star, but he is
someone that has slipped under the radar because he didn't
come from a country hungry that is known for having
like a deep basketball background. So I do think there
are guys, depending on where they're at in the world,
that can follow under the radar.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, I guess you know, as I'm as I'm looking
at you on our video monitor right now, a lot
of people are just listening to this, but I'm looking
at you and behind you there is a book entitled
Yiannis behind you and and I guess that would be
kind of the dream scenario for teams, for scouts to
find a guy who can develop into who is who
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is going to blossom like the Jannis did at some point.
So I guess I guess I was trying to say,
is you know, everybody knows about everybody now at a
very young age. But I guess it's a guy that
you can take a chance on young enough that can
blossop into that type of player. And I don't know
if it's fair for the Yannis comparison with a lot
(07:13):
of people, but certainly that's something that gets thrown around
now a little bit. Well, you know, Yannis is the
thirteenth pick. Well, look at what Yannis looked like when
he was drafted. I think I heard that with wem
Bin Yama recently. You know, he can be if he
can start, if he can look like Yannis in five years,
you know, look out. It's a tough comparison.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, yeah, man, I think what Yannis is just a
mentality and I read the book and just his mindset
and his desire and willingness to be great. Its kind
of what separates him. Of course, he has the physical tools,
and I actually think that there are I think there's
some players walking around the continent of Africa that have
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Giannis's physical tools as far as just length and athleticism
and so on. But it's just the mindset and the
work ethic and hunger that really separates Jiannis, and you know,
the comparison to win beyond but I mean that that
would be great. I do think that Victor does have
that competitive mindset. I think he does want to be great,
So I think that is sort of a fair comparison,
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just huge difference. Victor's been on the radar for a
long time now and y As he came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Well, I think Victor, I think there what they was
trying to say is that if he can develop his body, yeah,
in close to how Yannis has done it because Gianni's
was such a frail guy coming out when he was
so young, and then developed into this you know, muscular, lean,
powerful guy. I mean obviously when Byam has got way
more skills, I think than Yannis had when he came
(08:43):
into the league. So yeah, if he can, if he
can just physically work on his self, then I think
that would be you know, yeah, we'll look out for
this if he can become that strong.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
And I think the biggest difference is is, you know,
for any Yanni's book, he grew up so poor that
the reason why he was so skinny was because he
was malnourished. And I remember reading in the book they
talked about when he was kind of discovered, they took
him in I guess, to do some testing and the
doctor thought it was the body of an eighty year
old man just because he was so malnourished and he
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wasn't eating. And I think they described it as it
would be like putting coca cola in your in your
gas tank of your car. That's just how bad he
was eating. So I think for him, just eating you know,
good foods on top of the work ethic and lifting
helped him out so I think Victor does have a
bigger deficit in a sense because he has you know,
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been eating well, he didn't have the same background.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
He's been in the he's been in the program since
he's you know, thirteen, fourteen years old, and yeah, professional
leagues there. You know you mentioned though, that desire, that
that competitiveness, that fire, that drive. You spent a lot
of time scouting players before they get to the NBA.
You're going to be out in Las Vegas watching summer
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league guys who are trying to make a mark, trying
to either make a team or make you know, enough
of an impression that other teams will grab them. How
difficult is it for you to identify that fire, that hunger,
that passion to make themselves better when you're scouting young seventeen, eighteen,
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nineteen year old players that are trying to make their mark.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, to me, that's the hardest part of it, just
because that doesn't always show up on film. We can
watch film and you can see talent. You can see
whether guy has a great wings, fan, if he's athletic,
or you can shoot. But the hard part is how
do you determine what a nineteen year old does once
she has a guaranteed contract and he has millions of
dollars in the bank. There's some guys their goal was
(10:54):
to make it to the NBA, right, and then once
they make it, they're comfortable. I think that's the hardest part.
And I have a theory that when guys are top
ten picks or first round picks and they end up
becoming quote unquote bust. I don't think it's talent. I
think a lot of it is, whether it's injuries, situation,
and sometimes it's just the desire or just the difficulty
(11:18):
of you know, you've been a star your whole life.
Then you get to the NBA and you're, you know,
now the ninth or tenth man, and you go from
not getting in games, you don't know when you're going
to play again. Are you mature enough to handle it?
Can you handle it professionally? And you're expected to do
this at nineteen twenty years old, And then you can
(11:41):
dig yourself and supp up in such a ditch as
far as like having a negative perception around your name.
But you could be out by twenty two or twenty three,
or you're just only getting camp bills and you got
to climb out of that hole. So that's the hardest part.
It's just the maturity. And again we're talking of nineteen
year olds getting millions of dollars. Me think about when
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we were nineteen, Like if someone gave us like a
million dollars.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Well, I don't know. I was I was always like
I was nineteen going on forty, Which maybe I didn't
enjoy myself as much when I was nineteen as as
I should have. But yeah, I get what you're saying,
and I think that it's important also where you end
up sometimes you know, the environment, the coaching staff, the organization,
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the teammates that you're with. I really do think that's
a you know, all sports. Yeah, that could really shape
a young guy and set him on the right path
or set him back. And I think a lot of
those times you talk about bus guys just aren't in
the right situation.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, I agree hundred percent. I mean I look at
it like I heard the story about Alan Iverson when
he was with the Sixers. You know, he was Alan Iverson.
He was an icon in a sense, but he didn't
have the best habits as far as lifestyle, working out.
I mean, he was a one of one. I mean
I read that he could eat seventeen tackles before a game,
is still go on score forty. Well, when he had
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like a rookie and Iverson was what, let's say twenty eight,
and then there may have been a rookie that when
guys had come out of high school and that was nineteen,
Iverson was probably like on your walls, your posters, he
wore shoes, he wanted to dress like him. And if
he's like, hey, we're going out tonight, I mean, I imagine
how many rookies fell for that trap. They stayed out
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to five in the morning. But now the team is like,
this guy isn't dedicated. I mean, I've just heard so
many different stories like that about young guys that tried
to keep up with like these crazy elite talented max
player guys and they couldn't do what they were able
to do. It kind of put them in a situation
where they were out the league early.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, it's funny. I always think of the story that
Charles Barkley tells about having Moses Malone as his teammate,
and you know when Moses kind of said to him,
you're fat, Yeah, and this is what you have to do,
and he would make him come over his house and
they would talk about, you know, how he was going
to work on his body and stay ready for game.
And Charles Barkley credits Moses Malone for helping him stay
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in the league. And you think about it, if he
doesn't have that teammate, if he gets drafted to another team,
maybe it goes in a completely different direction.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, and think about it. In today's game, I think
Barkley was the top five pick, maybe fourth pick. If
you're a top five pick, you're not getting a Moses
Malone on your team. You're going to a team where
you know your veteran might be two years older than you,
So I think that's a huge difference. Or if you
do have a veteran on your team, he's not the
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caliber of Moses Malone or Doctor J. You're automatically seeing
as like the face of the franchise in a sense
if you're a top five pick. So a lot of
guys don't have that veteran leadership.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
When I look at what the Nets have and trying
to do in the post Superstar era, it's I think
sometimes about building an organization with the kind of culture
and character that would enable you to develop young players
and so that when when you do get a young
player coming to the system, it's it's something that's going
to help him grow as a person as a player.
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When I see the NETS signing a player like Cam
Johnson now to a deal, not letting him go and
with his relationship with Michel Bridges, I was struck by.
You know, recently I interviewed the three NETS draft picks
that two of them will be playing in the summer
League in Las Vegas coming up in Noah Clowney and
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Jalen Wilson from Kansas. And then you know, Derek Whitehead
is still out he had the procedure done on his foot,
so he won't play in the summer League. But when
I talked to all three of these guys, I mean
they were all very different in their personalities, but all
very mature and pleasant and good energy about them. Like
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I was, I was struck by the personalities of all three.
And I just want to, you know, go through some
of the players that were going to be seeing with
the Nets in Vegas with you. Because you study all
these guys, You've been to games, you've watched them, you
projected where they might go, what their impact could be
in the NBA. You know, Noah Clowney is a soft spoken,
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quiet guy, but I found him to be very introspective
and thoughtful. And people are describing him as like Nick
Claxton with a jump shot. I don't know if that's
fair to Nick Claxton. I don't know if it's fair
to Noah Clowney. But where did you have Noah on
the big board, the NBA big board? And what are
net fans looking forward to seeing out of Noah Clowney. Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I had him in the twenties, I think, my laugh
and you know I do so many mocks. I think
the last one I had him going twenty three to Portland, Okay.
And so he went higher than that.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
He went twenty He went twenty one one. So the
Nets had twenty one and twenty two. So you felt
that the Nets would have maybe maybe it could have
had maybe there was somebody else the Nets might have taken,
in your opinion, and then you know he would have slipt,
but he did. The Nets did take him at twenty one.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah. I like him a lot. One thing about his
story that I like is that even though he was
a four star recruit. He wasn't someone that was crowned
as a one and done. He was considered to be
somewhat of a project, maybe a two to three year player,
and he had a really good year. I mean you
round up the numbers, ten points, eight rebounds per game,
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around a block per game, and he has this underdog
mentality in the sense, but it's kind of like a
quiet underdog. It's not a pound my chest. Hey, I
wasn't ready to hide, but I think that he is
someone that is mature. He's only eighteen years old. He's
still eighteen years old. Doesn't turn nineteen to guests in
the middle of Summer League, so he'll be celebrating his
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nineteenth birthday in Las Vegas, which is not a bad
place to celebrate your birthday.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Well, I mentioned he was the youngest player the NETS
had ever drafted until about four minutes later when Derek
White had it was about three weeks younger than him
was drafted.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, I like him a lot. The shooting is it's
interesting because you see the touches there. If you just
look at the numbers on paper, then you could say,
why are they saying this guy's a shooter because then
we shot like twenty eight percent from three and yeah,
it wasn't like eighty percent foul shooter. But I do
think the touch is there. And if he is Nick Claxton,
I mean Nick took a few years to develop, and
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Nick was not as good as Clowney as a freshman
when he was at Georgia.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, and I think he he had mentioned Clowne mentioned
to me that he had a couple of slumps in
the middle of the year where he had like an
over for nineteen stretch from three and then an oh
for twenty one stretch. So you know, he felt like
that brought his numbers down. But you know, these days,
everybody's looking for a big who can stretch the floor. Yeah,
so we'll, you know, we'll see what he become. Like
you said, so young, So these guys are incredibly young.
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We're also we're not going to see Derek Whitehead in
Summer League. But he was the opposite end of Clowney
coming out of high school. I mean, he was the
you know, maybe the top one or two guys supposedly
coming out of high school, and an injury kind of
set him back. And I would imagine if But where
do you think his game is going to be in
the NBA. If let's say, if I told you I
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gave you a crystal ball and said the injury is
not an issue, what do you think the kind of
player the nets are getting?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
You know, what's interesting about Whitehead is that coming into
this season, he was the guy that if I talked
to ten scouts, whether it's guys that's just scout, Grassroows,
basketball college or even NBA, he was the guy that
consistently was everyone's favorite interview as far as just personality, maturity.
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I mean, everybody just really had good things to say,
to the point where even if he had weaknesses, people
didn't really want to point them out because they liked
the kid so much. And when I watched this film,
I'll be honest, I was not the biggest Threek white
hit fan film. I didn't know how he fit. I
saw that he had a bunch of things that he
did good, but I didn't see like the one thing
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that he did that really really stood out. But I
did think that he was going to be a lottery pick.
Then he gets the injury, then he has to play
this super reduced role at Duke he's not himself and
he stands in the corner and he shot like forty
three percent from three. So I actually became higher on
Dreek saying like a scaled down version of himself because
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he showed that he can well one, he can play
with anybody in the sense because he played at those
loaded mont Vert teams that had a bunch of guys
already in the NBA, and then he was there like
really early, but just in the reduced role. He was
a star in his role at Duke as a shooter,
and I know he didn't sign up to go to
to just be a guy that stands in the corner.
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So I think if he puts it all together, at
the minimum, he's your floor spacer. But he can't pass,
he can't handle, and I'm sure he'll athleticism will look
better once he's fully healthy. So I've grown on him
since the injury. I'm probably like the opposite most people
were really high on him before, but he's definitely changed
my perception.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, it's interesting, and a lot of times guys are
just so athletic and powerful that they rely on that
in high school and they don't develop that, you know,
and he had the ability to get out there and
shoot the three, and you know, in the role he did,
and like you said, you try and get into the
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you try and get into the mindset of guys and
their psychology, and you know, you want to know how
smart a player there are. And his ability to sort
of become a role guy and be a star in
his role at Duke, even though it wasn't something he
was used to doing, it probably shows you a little
bit about out who he is as a basketball player
in terms of you know, his his basketball IQ that
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people like to throw around.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, and like I said, everybody raved about him, and
I think he showed it because, like you said, he
was the guy he was. I mean you can make
a case and say he was the highlight or the
marquee name. And their recruiting class, which was it had
like four four like five stars. Yeah, he just settled.
I mean Lively there. Lively settled for much smaller role
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than he probably anticipated too. But I was just really
impressed with the shooting.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, Lively was a guy I think that that had
gone on a lot of nets to the nets and
a lot of mocks, but then you know, he ended
up going well higher because I think people see that
same thing. Yeah, like there's this this raw talent and
maybe he had a reduced role to Duke, but when
you put him in the right system, you know, it
can be really strong. It is there still sort of like,
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you know, when I look at the Nets Jalen Wilson
and Ken's who did this tow in the NBA Draft
the year before and then decided to go back to
Kansas and one Big twelve player of the year. Is
there still this bias? You know, because you talked about
the first two guys are eighteen years old and here's
Wilson twenty two years old, spent four years at Kansas,
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had a red shirt year. That's why he's thought a
year of eligibility if he wanted to. But there's almost
like we've seen so much of them, there isn't as
much upside to look at. But I almost feel like
Jalen Wilson's a guy that can come in and help
the Nets right away. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And I've followed Jalen for years. I lived in the
Dallas area, this is where he's from, so I've seen
him play in pickups. I remember when RJ. Hampton was
like one of the higher names coming into the draft,
and I was filming RJ. Hampton do some pre draft
workouts and Jalen was working out with them, and he's
just kind of had a steady, steady climb. I thought
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he really showed what he's capable of this year. It's
kind of like the opposite of what we're talking about
with Derek Jaylie. Wilson was on the championship team and
then this past season he has like this role as
Kansas's go to guy. Me he had some big games
the Big Twelve in my opinion, I mean, some people
may say the Big East, but the Big Twelve is
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the toughest conference in basketball. For him to win Player
of the Year. He does a little bit of everything.
He rebounds, he can pass, he's getting better as a shooter.
So he's kind of like in an acquired taste in
a sense, because you may look at him and say, well,
he doesn't have the same upside as a Clowney or
a white head because he's older and he's experienced. But
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I do think that he can come in, if given
the opportunity, can come in and contribute because he does
the little things and if he can knock down open shots.
Then I think he's really going to be effective because
he has the ability to wear If the team is
closing out on him, he can make that play, can
be a ball mover any hustles. He plays hard, So
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I think he can't help.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah. The director one of the assistant coaches at Kansas
for a very long time, guy named Fred Kornelbaum, who
he played at Fordham when I was there as a
student broadcaster, so I know Fred a little ben. After
the draft, he texted me and he sent me a
note on Twitter and just said, this guy's a stud.
You're gonna love him. So I think we'll see now,
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and I would expect him. You know, sometimes these guys
that are their games a little more polished, or they're
a little more experienced. Like the thing about summer League,
I try and project this rap fail and you sit
there and you watch these summer league games. They can
be in one way. Yes, you can see what a
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guy can do. You can project what he's capable of.
In the NBA. In some ways, there's a little fool's
gold sometimes because of the the way players approach summer league.
Some guys can stand out, but maybe it doesn't translate
the NBA. When you're watching these Summer league games, what
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does it tell you about how you can project what
kind of NBA players they're going to be. I know
that's a pretty broad and rangy question there, but maybe
you can follow where I'm going with that.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, it's tough because, for example, we'll use Cam Thomas
in a sense and maybe this is.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
The legendary Summer League player over the last two years.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
That role that he plays in Summer League is not
the role that he's going to play, except when he
does get the opportunity he plays the same.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah. I mean we saw Summer League Cam a few
times in this year, including three games in a row
we had forty or more points.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, so I think that's just him. But it's usually
the guys that score a lot that kind of makes
me pause in the sense because they're not going to
have that same role. But the guys that knockdown open
shots or defend those are the more translatable roles in
a sense. So even if it's a point guard and
he's a distributor, he's setting the table, he's picking up
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guys full court, then you can say, okay, well, maybe
he can be a team's backup point guard fifteen minutes
a night guy, because he's gonna bring the energy, he's loud,
he's a leader. Like I said, those are more projectable,
But when I see like the big scoring numbers, it
kind of gives me. Unless it's like a rookie that
was like a lottery pick or something like that, then
you know that they're going to give those opportunities. But
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as far as just like projecting, it's always tough because
one they're not playing against the high level NBA players.
Summer league guys maybe a little bit smaller. You. You
don't have the same size in the NBA, the same athleticism,
So it is tough. But I think, like I said,
certain things are always going to translate, which is usually shooting, defense, energy,
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hustle and so on.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, and sometimes it's a way for guys to get
a teams to get a look at players early on.
Like we talked about, you're trying to find those guys
that may blossom late. You know. I remember a guy
like you know, the Nets a few years ago had
Utah Watanabe and you know, play in the summer league
and then you look, you know, he ends up going
to a couple other organizations, but then the nets bring
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him back. He had a good year last year, although
he was you know, banged up a little bit. I
know he's going to be heading out now, but you know,
certainly it's a chance for teams to get a look
at some of these guys on their way up and
probably notice things that that maybe they wouldn't have noticed otherwise,
just by having a guy, I guess being practice with them,
how he interact with his teammates. Like you said, there's
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there's there's certain things you could just look for on film,
and then there's certain things you could look at when
you're court side, but there's other ways where you can
look at how a guy operates within your your locker room,
within with your coaches and things like that, and even.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Maturity, like I know a story where there was I
don't think it's like intentional, but Vegas is a place.
So if you want to see how a guy can
handle like the future NBA, you throw them in Vegas
in the summer league for a few days and sometimes
you can tell whether a guy is gonna make it
or not. And I have a friend and I mean
he just totally blew his opportunity, and I think the
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team they knew that he kind of had some character issues,
but they knew he was talented, talented enough to maybe
be a back end roster player. And you know how
like in Summer League, you may play one game and
then the next game you may not play because some
teams may carry like twenty guys on the roster. Well,
he was young and made the mistake of thinking, Okay,
so I'm not playing today or tomorrow, so I'm gonna
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enjoy Vegas goes out all night, comes in five o'clock
in the morning, and you know, the team hotels, like
the guys are decision makers. They're up early in the morning.
They may be down in the lobby or Starbucks whatever
reading that well nobody reached the paper anymore, but you know,
in the cof or whatever. Yeah, and you know they
see you stumbling in late and you're on a basically
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a try it out. Then they understand like, okay, well
he doesn't even have the money yet. So I think
the Summer League can also just be a good test
of character. I mean, and I think that a lot
of the guys are they're really on a tryout, and
so you have to be your your best self. Of course,
the guys that are you know, signed the contracts, they
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have a little bit more stability. But teams are monitoring
everything as far as like, like you said, how you
interact with your teammates and so on. And this particular
guy another game, he didn't since he wasn't playing, he
didn't have one like the proper socks underneath this uniform.
I mean, just totally blew his opportunity, which I mean,
he's made a good career in Europe. But it's the
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little things like that the Summer League that that aren't
really discussed.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Some Really, the Vegas has become short of this uh
NBA convention, you know, because even even the star players
now show up yep, and they'll they'll be a round
and yeah you can. It's like the Christmas party in
your company. Nobody really will get promoted from the Christmas
party probably, but a lot of people eventually down the
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road would get fired by their behavior at the Christmas party.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I like that analogy. That's very true.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Raphael. What do you what do you look for when
you're that you can't see by watching these guys on
film that you go to Summer League and you sit
up close and you're trying to see project some of
these guys or maybe even are you are you watching
guys and thinking, all, right, where did I have them before?
Was I wrong about that? Right about that? And you
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know what can you see more of when you're when
you've got them all in one place and you're up
close and you're in person.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Well, Summer League ten years ago, you used to be
able to sit up close and watch and now you're like,
you leave your seats, go get something eat. You might
be up in a three hundred sections.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
So it's amazing how it's grown.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, I remember just being able to sit in the
front row at the Thomas and Mack just be able
to walk down And now it's just tough. But yeah,
I looked to yeah, one, see if there's something maybe
I missed, Maybe try to put things in context. So
maybe why this guy didn't do this in the college
level because he wasn't given the opportunity. I remember last
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year just being impressed with chet Holmgren a few games
that he played as a passer and being able to
bring the ball up the floor. You didn't really see
a lot of that at Gonzaga and then with Palo
Bank Carrol last year. I was a huge Bank Carrol fan,
and I saw in high school. I saw on this
high school film that he played like this hybrid point center,
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and then we saw that in Summer League where they
let him initiate the offense. So little things like that
to you know, like, for example, I think Jarris Walker
for the Pacers, I think they're going to give him
some opportunities as a ball handler in a passer because
he was really good at that in high school but
didn't get a chance to show that with Houston this
past season. So there's I look for that. But Summer
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League is also tough in a sense because if you
look at like the top guys, they hadn't played pick up,
their last game was probably in April, so they're usually
a little bit out of shape and so and I
mean they're in like basketball shape, but during this whole
pre draft process, they're only working out. They're not playing
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five on five getting up and down the court. So
I put that in the back of my mind. If
a guy kind of struggles a little bit, is because
it's his first five on five contact since the seasoned
in it, because you know when you're expected to go
that high. They're definitely not trying to have you risk
any injuries playing five on five, So that's something to
look out for. And then just seeing how how players
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react to just the NBA rules, the spacing and the
length and the athleticism is probably a little bit better
better in college. So, I mean there's so many things
that I look out for.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Well, you're looking at you know, we talked about the
rookies that be playing for the Nets their draft picks,
but on their roster, is there anybody that kind of
stands out that you would, uh, that that fan should
kind of be curious to see, or that you're curious
to see and maybe a little high on and want
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to see more of here as we get ready to
watch these Vegas Summer League games.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, there's a few guys. One is Kennedy Chandler. He
was someone that I thought was the first round pick
last year. I knew the size was going to work
against them. Yeah, I thought, yeah, And I mean that's
probably being generous and I thought that. I mean he
was really good. I want to say, he shot like
thirty eight percent from three in college. I remember his
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last game against Michigan. He just totally just kind of
blew up their dropped coverage and just his ability to
get in the lane. I thought he's a good passer.
Then he falls to the second round, which shocked me.
But then I thought Memphis felt like they had a steal.
He is a hometown kid, and they gave them like
the largest rookie second round contract I believe. I want
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to say it was like almost five million guaranteed, and
then a year later he's with the NETS Summer League teams.
I don't know exactly what went wrong in Memphis, but
I know he struggled from three only shot twenty one
percent from three in the G League. So he's someone
that I'm looking to see if he can make an impact.
One thing about the NET Summer League team is that
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they have a bunch of guys that can pass the ball.
It's like either they're looking for shooters or playmakers, and
their playmakers aren't like your traditional playmakers. So you got
Rekwoned Gray, who I'm sure you remember. But he had
that sixteen to nine and seven game at the end
of the year, which is almost pretty much what he
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averaged in the G League. In assistem I mean he
didn't average seven assists per game.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Not like a highly athletic guy. But he's got good
size and yeah, like he's got a skilled kind of
old man game a little bit about it.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
He's like a he can't put him in a box.
Like when you look at him, you say, Okay, this
guy is going to be like this below the rim
finisher bruiser that you see, Like he's i mean a
natural playmaker. And then there's Jordan Hall, who I liked
out of Saint Joe's. Another guy that is just a
big natural playmaker, loves to play fast, and he's a
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respectable shooter. It's just that's pretty much all he can do.
Like he doesn't really do much inside the paint. I
would even guess fifty percent of his shots with the
long Island nets and not so not long but Austin
spurs were threes and he shot about thirty five thirty six,
which is pretty consistent with you know how he shot
at Saint Joe's. But I think he has some versatility.
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He's going to be interesting to watch. And then as
far as like the shooters, Matt Lewis is a good shooter.
I think he's been in the high thirties, his you know,
two years playing professionally. And then there is Armani Brooks
and and told me a few weeks back that I
guess he did a mini camp with the Nets and
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they liked him enough to what they just told him
to stay. And so he's he had a good run
in Houston at one point. But I think as a
he has a role as a defined shooter. So I
think if he shoots the ball well, then he may
be someone that can stick.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Probably a guy with Yeah, I know, Marnibotship is a
name people would know, so it's I think it'd be
interesting to watch him play with him. Uh are you
are you scouting the weather report in Las Vegas? Raphael?
Are you ready for the heat?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Well? I had just had this conversation and I was
in New York for the draft and it was nice.
And then I get back to Dallas and it's like
one hundred and something.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah, you patch him ridiculously hot weather.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
It's like one o two. And then I look at
Vegas and I normally don't have to look at the
temperature in Vegas because you just know it's going to
be hot. But then I saw one day. I think
it said it's going to be like one thirteen, and
I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
To try heat, it's a draft.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Well, to me, hot is hot. I hear people say
it's a dry heat or it's humid, Like hot is hot.
But what I'm more concerned about is what the temperature
is going to be in the Thomas and Mack. Is
it going to be thirty degrees? It could be thirty five?
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Do they crank up? Did they crank up the A
and the Thomas and Mac?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Oh my gosh, it's so cold, like it's it's freezing
in there. And I get it because you know, it's
so hot outside, But I mean, you really have to
bring a sweatshirt because if you're staying there all day
like I do it, it's it's cold. It's it's freezing.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Maybe it's just the contrast of being outside and you're
coming it just feels cold.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
No, it's it's cold. It's it's freezing there, and then
you go outside to you know, try to warm up,
and then it like you warm up instantly and then
you go back in. So if anybody's listening, bring a
sweatshirt or something, just have it with you. Because if
you plan on being there all day, you're gonna need.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
It, all right, and make sure you're away from all
the pitfalls of Las Vegas before you.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, I don't gamb I can't afford to lose any money,
so Vegas is not a temptation city for me.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
All right. Well, that's a good thing. That's a very
good thing. Raphael Barlow. We really appreciate you giving us
a few minutes here and giving us your thoughts on
some of what to watch for the NETS this year
in Summer League and some other good stuff. I enjoyed
our conversation. Again. You can see all Raphael's stuff NBA
big Board, the NBA big Board podcast unlocked on Sports Network.
(39:36):
Is there anything else that you want people to know
about where they can find you and watch your stuff
that you'll be able to imagine reporting things from Summer
League as we go along.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, I have the NBA big Board newsletter, and I
have a preview of, you know, all the Summer League,
starting off with the California Classic, which is coming up
with the NETS I planning, but then I have the
Vegas one and and I'll be doing recaps on my podcast.
And it's also on YouTube. If you just type type
in locked on NBA big Board, you can find it
(40:07):
on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast. So if
you like draft related content, I know the draft is over,
but if you like content it's regarding like the rookies
or players in the draft, you'll be able to get
at least for the next few weeks. At least seven
forms of content for me in a week. So it's
a lot, but I really enjoy what I do.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
That's awesome. Raphael's and on Twitter at Barlow b A
R L O W E five hundred on Twitter. If
you have enough views left on Twitter to find it,
I know it has. People have seen. It's been restricted
now like if you only look at a certain number
of tweets.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Today, I'm in trouble and incredibly that.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
They would decide to do is right as NBA free
agency frenzy gets going right. It is just I don't
know if Elon Musk is a is an NBA probably not.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Can't be. Can't be.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
I appreciate it, Raphael, thank you so much for your
insight here and again check out raphael stuff on YouTube, Twitter,
all that kind of stuff. Raphael really appreciate joining us.
Thank you, thank you so much for the opportunity. All right,
thanks to Rafael Barlow, NBA big Board dot Com. I'm
(41:25):
a locked on podcast network. I want to thank Rafael
for his insight there on the net. Summer League team
that'll be getting going on Friday, July seventh, all the
games either on NBA TV or ESPN U, ESPN two.
You can check out the nets in the Summer League.
Want to just in closing, I always give you a
little something to watch or listen to. This is an
(41:48):
homage to someone we lost this week, the great Alan Arkin.
You talk about a two way player, a guy who
could be comedic andre attic. Alan Arkin, passing away at
the age of eighty nine, nominated for four Academy Awards,
won one. And I think my favorite movie of all
(42:12):
time in Alan Arkin, and we'll refer to it. I
quote this movie all the time during our NETS broadcast
The in Laws, Tim Capstrow point out a team zeing
the ball around the court, and I'll say a z
great film. Great film. Late seventies. He was also nominated
as Best Lead Actor for his first feature role as
(42:35):
a lead actor, one of the handful of people ever
to do that back in the late sixties a film
called The Russians Are Coming. The Russians Are Coming kind
of a really goofy comedy, but he was nominated for
Best Actor. And if there's something you could watch, the
last role of his career a show called The Kaminsky
Method on Netflix where he was in the twilight of
(42:57):
his career and it was a poignants Little Miss Sunshine
another one great performance where is nominated for an Academy Award.
So rest in peace to the great Alan Arkin. Something
for you to dive into, perhaps in the summer and
you got a little time off, you know, if you
enjoy our program here on the podcast, The Voice of
(43:19):
the Nets, really would appreciate it. If you can go
on your Apple podcast if you're listening on the Apple
podcast app, give us a five star review, maybe little
comment and subscribe. If you're feeling a little generous the
Spotify app, you can give us a five star review as well.
We really appreciate some feedback, especially if it's good. Thank
you so much. Thanks to our producer Steve Goldberg, our
(43:40):
engineer Isaac Lee. We'll talk to you again next time.
I'm Chris Carino and this is the voice of the nets,
Host
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