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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to Waken Jake myself, Jake's story, Ellie
David Mendelssohn, as we're covering man the week of baseball season,
and the biggest news is show he Otani not well,
I was gonna say, not the seven hundred million dollar
(00:20):
contract that we've talked about, not the Dodgers, not the
Korea Series, you guys obviously already know by now. But
his translator, Epe caught up in some sort of gambling
storm that we're still sorting through, and we just had
Otani speak about it for the first time. So we
thought we'd wait for that to happen before talking to
(00:43):
you guys. If you have no idea at all, we'll
try to speed catch you up. Basically, over at the
Korea Series. After the first game, Ipe gave a speech
ninety minutes, which is a long time. We haven't talked
about that enough, a long and a half. I don't,
I don't talk that long, saying that he had this
(01:07):
gambling problem, gambling debt. A lot that heard it was
kind of whatever in the Dodgers clubhouse, and then there
was some quotes, you know, the the Dodgers general manager
said Otani paid off the debts.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Isn't that one of the things like he because because
when he paid, like announced like I have gambling problem,
like whatever he stepped in was like and show hey
paid the debts.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
And basically since there it's been all I don't know,
downhill uphill no hills. Uh Ipey basically was told to
immediately come back and take back that statement that none
of it was true. And then since then Otani's been
in silence about it until the press conference that just happened.
(01:53):
We'll talk about that. Uh, but all sorts of internet
rumors going on, what could this actually be, a lot
of people making assumptions, including us and guessing and I
don't know, making your own movie about this. Uh, that
has now led to Epe got fired.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
They played the second game in Korea and basically we
all assumed that I don't know, a lot of rumors
about fall guy for epay, a lot of rumors that
I don't know. Could Epe just be the bad guy?
Could there be even more going on? Uh? So with that,
we just had the show Heyo Tani press conference that
(02:36):
I don't know, I guess going in, we all assumed
it was gonna be very lawyery, which I don't know.
I guess credit to Otani. And you know, the irony
of all of this is we're now using a different
translator because Epay's out and the guy wasn't a translator,
is just a dude in the Dodgers' front office who
(02:57):
again that this isn't an important detail. But I don't know.
It's part of it. And I do think showhy came out.
I guess a little more. I don't. I don't want
to say candid, because nothing about this was candid. The
whole speech was pre written and.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Off notes, literally, but I.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Guess there was. There's a world where you expect this
to go with, you know, just playing the lawyer card,
and let's I want everything to come out. I really
don't want to speak too much on it, you know,
let the lawyers handle that. Blah blahlah. He came out
in the quote that everyone is rolling with. Strongly is
I never bet on baseball or any other sports, or
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never have asked somebody to do it on my behalf.
I have never went through a bookmaker to bet on sports,
so that is pretty strong. That is, you know, I texted, texted,
you have passing a couple of days ago kind of
prodding if I'm being on and honestly not looking for
(04:03):
a ton It was just when it was kind of breaking,
and Passing said he had heard about this from January,
and if if that fact kind of blindsides you, Uh,
the illegal bookie in California that got busted got busted
in January. So that's when they found Otani's name on things.
So there was whispers of this going on since then.
(04:24):
The only thing that I will say in Passing said
this days ago, like if if law enforcement and we're
pressing charges, that's no joke, which again I shouldn't even
credit Jeff Passing for that, Like that's some of the
obvious stuff there. Uh, but it seems like we're heading
that direction. Uh, because what what are some of the
(04:46):
so from there show Hey turns it back to Ipe
where he says Epe lied and stole money from him.
M hm uh, and then basically Otani walks through the
timeline of what I I just talked about. EPA gave
a speech uh in that Dodger's Locker Room show. He
said like he was listening to it, kind of understanding it.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
You could get like the vibe of yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
But also partially missing it. Uh. And then he said
him and Epe spoke after that.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And Anybe told him before like and let's just talk
in full after this.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, but uh. And that's when Otani says, you know,
he was like, whoa, this is This is far past
anything I would have thought of. Need to get lawyers involved,
like this is this is not me. So I think
the other couple powerful statements and things that people are
(05:45):
wrestling wrestling with that we can dive into a little
more in a minute. Everyone is struggling with the access
to the bank account stuff, partially understandably. So we're talking
about I think I'm seeing five hundred thousand dollars transactions
being listed. We've heard about a four and a half
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million dollar debt from gambling, so everyone is wondering, you know,
how could anyone have that kind of access. That's not
show heo Tani because the other big thing he said
is that he did not pay off the debt, which
that is probably the number one thing that I would
currently be held up on as if you're doing conspiracy theories,
(06:29):
and again if you're one of the Dodger fans tuning
into this that's like defending show Hey with everything you got. One,
I kind of get it, that's kind of being a fan.
And two like nobody knows anything yet. Nobody actually knows
anything yet, and that goes in every direction. Like I've
seen people in my comments right now saying, I remember
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when Pete Rose came out and said he was innocent. Okay,
that's a little dramatic. We don't know yet, Like there
very much is a story that Epay, the translator who
you know. The most recent article we got on him
was that his college degree may be fake and his
(07:11):
resume may have lies. And I believe the word liar
was thrown out about him from show Hay in this
press conference. That man, there can be a story where
this is epey. Epe operated alone. He racked up a
gambling debt. There are a lot of people that do that.
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It's an addicting thing and you get caught up and
if you lose, you think I can bet more and
get it back, and you can end up losing more
and get yourself in a tough situation, which maybe Epe did.
And show Hey being the superstar of superstars he is
and having a trusted confidant, and Epey trusted him to
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a certain degree that allowed these transactions to happen, and
Ipe was just betting and hoping to get out of
it and never did. And maybe maybe that is the story,
maybe it's not. And I guess that's the only thing
I'll tell the diehard Dodger fans or Otani fans is
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I'm I'm gonna keep my heart open to that story,
and I hope it's true, right because that's the best
thing for the sport I love. Like hopefully Otani is
clear of this. We look back on the day and
we're like, damn remembered Tani's translator was taking money from
him and he was losing it on gambling, Like that's
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that's insane. There are other options, and I'm discussing them
and I'm not necessarily accusing, but there are a couple
things that don't fully I don't want to say fully
check out yet. But I need a little more confirmation
on because the other thing that's been part of this
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storyline is how close these two have been. They've they've
been together since twenty eighteen. I think is official. I
think he was the Angel Slash Show Hayes interpreter, and
these these guys were like a thing in baseball, Like
we live in a very baseball centric office that if
you had asked our office, Hey, what's the name of
Show Hayes translator, the office probably would have gotten it
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at a seventy five percent clip, at least the baseball people.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Or at least like everybody's like I know Show eight
his interpreter, are very close.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
And like he caught him that he was the catcher
for during Show Hayes home run derby run he brought.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Everybody knew he brought him from Angels to Dodgers, and
like it was assumed it turns out not correct. But
they're like in that new Dodgers contract, if GM owner sells,
the team gets fired, turns out the epe getting fired.
It wasn't in there. He gets hot that Like people
knew that. Again, that clause in the contract not true.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And there's a ton of quotes out there. I mean,
you know, Ipe had something that we spend three hundred
and sixty five days together, which you know, uh, this
is waken Jake, Like we can be kind of real here,
Like we've had some silly stuff around that like do
you need your do you need your translator? Around three
hundred and sixty five days. I know one of the
lines was, you know, you only need a translator if
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there's a third person around. Both of these guys have wives,
Like I don't know, I don't know. These guys were close.
How close? Uh? I guess none of us truly know,
but these guys were very close.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It's clearly like much closer to a true friendship than
just a coworker colleague situation.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I mean there was also you know, I just saw
someone posted a clip from like Dodger Fest where Sho
Hayes laughing out loud about he says, oh, you know,
me and me and Epe are just business partners, we're
not friends, and Epe translates it and he laughs and
the whole crowd laugh. So like, I don't know, they're
on that level of friendship that they're making those jokes now,
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which now in the current situation again just becomes more
and more interesting. One of the big hiccups, like I mentioned, uh,
people are getting really caught up on the money side.
And I'm gonna fully admit that I don't know anyone
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that I think can truly speak on it like I
Josh Cousnick, which is a throwback in John Boy Media
and some different programs. He was. I think he was
the youngest MLB agent he's been in the game. He
he was replying to tweets saying that he's like, if
you know MLB players, like they're as hands off as possible,
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especially when you're at scho Hayes level, like Show has
a star.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, like to an extent, I get it if he
didn't four pointy five million is a lot, but I
get it if he didn't notice some amount of his
money was missing or didn't know like an exact figure
that should be in there, Like I've the more I've
thought about the more, Like I've always said since I
was younger, like if I had that much money, I'd
basically just never look at my bank account because what
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do I care. I know I've got enough. It's like
the benefit of being riches. You don't have to really
think about it. And no, granted that's why he has
accountants and there's other people whose job that is and
where did it go wrong there?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
But yeah, and I again that's something that I can't
speak strongly of, you know, Yeah, Show Hayes accountants or
finance people seeing that money go out to I don't
know a blessed in California or however that was going down.
I would like to know more about that because show
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hay does say, uh, I had no knowledge of Epe's gambling,
which for me, that's that's maybe my biggest yellow flag
for two guys that spent as much time together over
the past six seven years as they've had. I think
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the gambling starts twenty one, twenty two, something like that,
so in more recent years to have no idea and
again maybe this doesn't matter, Maybe it does.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
And there's people who have like kept things from people
that are close with sure, you.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Know, placing at Little Cheese on the side. I don't
know everyone's bets. I don't know what Joe's McFly bet today.
But yeah, like when you hear a statement like that,
I guess what it has teed up is sho Hey
has laid it out there. Like I get coming into
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the press conference, I didn't know if we were gonna
look back and say, all right, you know that was
a lot of lawyer talk show. Hey, we knew show
he wasn't gonna come out and say he's guilty, unlike
Ipe did after his first press conference. If you don't
know why, we just snorted, there's Pepe came out and
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he said, I'm ready for the punishment, whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Whatever. At some point in that interview he I believe
the text exchange. He said, like it's all my fault
and I'm ready to accept all consequences. That's just whether
you're planning to like plead guilty or not, it's just
not something you say.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
So, yeah, I guess for me, I do like that show. Hey,
he fully laid the gauntlet out there. He was like,
I had no part of this. I didn't gamble on
any sport, never mind baseball, any sport. Ipe did all
of this. He lied for me. He stole from me.
(15:06):
I mean with that, that's you know that show Hayes
Mike Troup like, I'm I'm all in on being all
out on this. Uh So, in a way, I'm I'm
happy that that was laid out there because let's say,
if everything goes smoothly or epey, you know, like he
says he's ready for guilt and it admits all of it,
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and he was a bad guy and he stole money,
uh from a friend and he was gambling and he
got caught up in it. Uh. Then yeah, you know,
it's crazy that this happened to uh, one of the
you know, most famous athletes, one of the most talented
athletes in the world. But it happened, and I don't know,
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we could look back and say, Show Hey handled it
with grace, and it sucks that he had to go
through this, because that's Uh. That was the other thing
I was thinking, like, you know, looking, you know, the
Korea series was what five days ago, it's Monday. They
played on Wednesday and Thursday, so less than a week ago.
(16:13):
If you ask shohe Otani in an interview who his
best friend is, you might.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Say epe, even if he's the best friend on the team,
would be like so to be up there a week
later and if all of this, if his account is true,
to come out and say all this he's a liar
and a bad guy, well then that is what it is.
(16:41):
That'd be a betrayal and levels no one's ever seen.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
For the other side of it, which again, I know,
if if you're here for Show Hey, you don't you
don't want to hear any more of it. And you
want it to end and that be the inn story.
And I'll be honest with you, I think I want
that to be the story because that would be best
for baseball and easiest for everyone to move on. There
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are still some things that are hard to believe. I
eat him not knowing Epe was gambling at all. I
don't know, man. That Again, I don't know if there's
necessarily a crime there, but to say you didn't know
e was gambling at all, I don't know. Interested to
find out about that.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
How much time they spend together, You never, at least
like talked about odds a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
You know, a couple sporty guys kind of, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well, it's show he doesn't pay attention to the sports.
Married to basketball.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Player, So yeah, that's that one's you know, yellow flag.
Let's find out more the money being withdrawn from the accounts. Again,
I don't have a lot of experts in the field
that I think I can lean on uh for this,
Like I mentioned, you know one of the few agents
(17:57):
I'm slightly connected to, though he is a bit of
a wild card. Uh says like, Man, if you've ever
dealt with athletes and players like this, you know, you know,
especially if you hit Shohees level, that you don't want
to deal with anything. You have people to deal with that.
(18:21):
And as I look at the timeline and I did
put a baby question out there, you know, I I
think the consensus is starting to get a little more
I don't want to say tinfoil cap, but a little
more what actually happened because the other side of this
is the gambling side, and this this guy, what's it
(18:46):
Boyer Boyer, who is running the illegal gambling place in California.
You know, one of the first questions opened up was
to get this sort of line of credit. You know,
this is for the elite and for you know, the
high end rich people of the world, and Epey is
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not that, but sho Hey is so for me. I've
never been so crazy about this point because I think,
if you're Boyer, who I don't know it all and
I've you know, I've seen two stories about him. If
you're the kind of person that runs an illegal gambling chapter,
if that's what it's called, if you know epe is
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placing bets, you know, he is linked to one of
the wealthiest athletes in the world that if he gets
into significant debt, you kind of know Big Brothers probably there.
I don't know. Again, maybe I'm overstepping my illegal gambling knowledge,
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but a lot of people that are more familiar with
that space are like, no way, like no way lawyer
would let this happen unless you know. There was some
confirmation that Otani's at least behind him in some way,
which again that starts to get into legalities, whether a
it's show Hey placing bets at an legal place and
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Epe's kind of the front man for it, or I
don't know even if they know that Show Hayes his
guardian angel, that's in a way that's like show Hey
placing bets and then I don't know, especially when the
money's coming out of show He's account and the check
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says Otani on it. I don't know. I think those
are the two the two paths that are laid out,
and they've kind of been laid out for a little
bit now is Hey it's all Ebey And that's wild
because as of again a week ago, he was the innocent.
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I say this just because other people have talked about innocent,
like little translator of Show Hey, like he's I heard
there's that one radio clip where they were kind of
being brutal to eBay. But and I don't know, show
he is a massive human, so it's tough to be
next to that guy in every picture.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
But when you're a guy whose whole life is being
next to that dude, so he's a giant.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Coming from a fellow small guy, you get some like
kind of cute liberties. I'm the least intimidating person in
the world. I used to find that out when I
was traveling a lot for my first job. I would
walk into places and no one's worried about me. I'm
five seven, h uh, and just kind of a friendly,
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bubbly guy. Naturally that would I would walk into places
and they, you know, they kind of welcome me in
with open arms. Ipe was kind of in that boat
his show.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Hayes guy.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
He's the guy that knows the guy. He's friendly, he's
you know, involved in all the interviews. He's a silly
dude himself that he's the bad guy that did all
of this, and maybe he did. The other side would
be that if something comes out and that's where you know,
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I pretended to quote brother Jeff before, But now that
we're you know, the federal allies are involved. This is
serious law enforcement. The things that show Hay did lay out.
I mean, if any of that gets debunked, which feels
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like stuff that could get easily debunked, right like if
a couple text messages. I don't know, I don't know,
but show Hays saying he's never bet, He's laid out
the gauntlet a little bit. Let's see live again. I
mentioned I tweeted out, anybody have some thoughts on the show? Hey,
(23:03):
epay situation that's bait. I'll fully admit that. I admitted
it to BBD before I tweeted it. Just got a
response from Pitching Ninja Rob Friedman, who is a lawyer.
Denying something is something everyone does. Accusing someone of stealing
while also cooperating with authorities and pressing charges creates liability
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for you if you're knowing falsely doing it. Okay, that's
kind of what I was saying, but just in anaccurate
legal sentence, a good sentence, and it's also something that's
pretty easily verified once there's an investigation by authorities. Your
attorneys wouldn't let you give a statement like that if
it's not true. Obviously, nothing is ever one hundred percent,
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but those are things that should be considered when evaluating
the situation. Also, plenty of stars have been scammed by
people they trust. Wow, I mean, that's kind of beautiful
by Rob Friedman, and I'm gonna retweet that. And again
that's as you're listening to this. And I hate to
be dumb, but if you put sho he Otani in
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almost any of our episodes of Waken, Jake talking baseball,
hell talking Yanks, that episode's gonna do decently. And the
fact that we're doing this is live breaking news. That's
part of our recipe that I say this now after
you've listened to me for twenty five minutes, just be
careful who you are listening to. And I hope I'm
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doing a decent enough job of trying to lay things
out there and letting your opinion go which way you
want as of now, because still nobody knows. I do
not know, and the world doesn't know yet. But like
Rob Friedman, the Pitching Ninja just laid out a lot
better than me for the accusations to come out. Not
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just plead innocence and let the lawyers figure this out,
but stole, stole lied. Uh what was the other one
cooperating with the authorities? I mean, show he has laid
it out there. So in a way, if you go
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full America and shit innocent until proven guilty, I want
to see the next steps. I think there's a lot
of people that are are skeptical with placing bets of
that size. There are a lot of athletes who are
competitive in big time gamblers, so I think there was
also a bunch of people that were like shrugging and
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being like, well, Showy has got a lot of money.
Show is a pretty competitive dude. I wouldn't be shocked
if he got into some gambling. I don't know what
else you got.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Beabs and just in general, it feels like there's in
a few different avenues, like one more like confirmed piece
of information in a few ways would just go a
long way. Uh you know, depending on what your specific
question is, like, like any more real details would be helpful.
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And there's a little bit of a fear that we're
just kind of never gonna get that, right, That's that's
just how it works a little bit.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Well, and what whatere our?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
What are our what are.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Our biggest loose ends or the loosest ends right now
would be didn't the show hey quote that he paid
off debts?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, there's like a quote from that original ninety minute
thing that like he was asked about in the same
story that was like that made it sound like he
agreed to pay off debts.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
The spokesman provided ESPN with quote Biotani, Yeah, I sent
several large payments. That's some maximum amount I could send.
So that's still out there.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
That's out there. How how or why Epey had access
or how exactly that'll happened. I guess any more information
than there could go a long way.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I guess for me, if if you're trying to be
cynical skeptical, for me, something that seems oddly logical but
again puts us against the wall a little bit would
be that, hey, epe racked up this debt. He hit
up his guy show, Hey, who was rich?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I screwed up to it and it wouldn't really affect him.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Dog, I screwed up. I need you to pay this off.
I'll never gamble again. My bad shoe. Hay was like, hey, man,
you better really not gamble again. I'll pay this off.
You're my guy, But like whatever, shoe Hey did pay
it off and then everyone else figured out that that's
super illegal. I think that I still like in play.
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But I guess that's where show hay saying that he lied.
He he could have lied that it was gambling debt
and he was still sending money to something.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
He could have been told it was for something else.
I don't know what that would be, but and I
guess this is a full Like I don't know how
things work, but wouldn't it be better on show hayes
end to send the money to eBay and then I
don't know, two transfers, gets weird, But then the money
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going straight from show Hey to the guy. I don't
know what matters or doesn't matter there. I don't know
how any of that works, and that's why I don't
have I don't have that kind of money.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
You know, this this story is leaving sports a little
bit because it's a controversy and there's a business side
to it and a gambling side to it that you know.
Joe Pompiliano, who I think Jimmy did, did an interview
with him once and he's pretty big business sporty t.
You know, his was how did he pay have access
to the bank account. We've covered that a little bit.
(29:06):
I'd like to think that's a little easier than we think,
but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I'm guessing an answer there, just how that happened.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
And then his question, that I still think is one
of the more fair ones, is how did he not
notice multiple five hundred K payments leaving his account over
several months, which, again, that would probably have to tie
into EPA being a liar, and that there was an
it's either EPA being a liar or it's show Hey
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paid it off and didn't think it was a problem,
and then we found out it's a problem, so now
we've kind of got to cover that up. But then
that would be that would be show Hey knowing that
he was in gambling debt, which he said he did
not know.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
He says he straight up doesn't know that, and that
would and let's assume that assuming that's the way it landed,
where he thought he was helping a guy out and
didn't understand, and the ramifications of that, that just lands
in such a weird gray area where I'm like, not
sure how the rules are supposed to apply there. As
(30:11):
far as any baseball punishment legally, I guess it's you
paid an illegal bookie and that's a problem.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
So I mean show Hay left it at I mean,
show Hay is not gonna answer any more questions about it,
right like he's he said, he's letting the lawyers deal
with it and he's going to go onto the season
pretty much, which I mean, let's let's be honest. I
(30:43):
think anyone in that situation would be kind of doing
the same thing. And I I don't know. I guess
until there's any evidence of show Hay being involved, Like
I don't think he would need to be suspended or
anything like that. B in theory he's had, he's had
(31:04):
a very awful thing happened to him, and until we
know more information about it, I don't think we can
really go to the next level with that being said,
Like I'm I'm not ready to fully jump out and
be team show Hey till I die. I things need
(31:27):
to run their course. And I think that was Chris
Rose's message, and I kind of laughed because I was like,
come on, Chris Rose, it's the right answer. We don't
live in a world that works that way or wants
to work that way, and God, I have I have
no idea what kind of like, what kind of timeline
(31:50):
are we on. Doesn't feel like it's something that moves quick.
It took us two months from the time that this
illegal bookie got busted did in January for things to
start coming out, So I don't know. I don't know
for the for the first week of the season. This
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is not what I thought we would be talking about
on Waken Jake. But I don't know. I is it
gonna go to the background for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
It Like, I I think it could either move very quickly,
get new updates and whatever, or this is gonna be
a very long process.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I'm sure there's you know, there's there's month's worth of
bank statements and talking to people and all that they
got to get like poured through. Yeah, I have no
idea how long that will be. Yeah, I mean, in
(32:59):
a way, feels like we've moved a lot since we
found out almost a week ago about any of this,
But in a way we haven't.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I mean, the the end of Pitch Ninja Pitching Ninja's tweet,
which again I enthus you to go look at and
I'm I'm glad that came out of my tweet because again,
that was kind of a bad twitter bait tweet, but
I'm glad it led to that. He attached a link
(33:30):
to It's a Yahoo Finance article of a list celebrities
that got scammed, Dange Cook on there and Hathaway.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Not like people have never been betrayed before or had
you know a person they trust hurt them?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Know what I still want answered? And and maybe I'm
I'm dumb, but why why use this illegal guy?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
There's a lot of legal ways to gamble now that
I don't know. It's just easier cash is king? I
don't really Is this guy a big bets only guy?
That's what I still.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Gus their levels of like if any person is betting
x amount, Like, well, you don't use a yes sports,
but you and I would use I have no idea.
I guess it's technical. Is it technically illegal to have
a representative in another in a state that it is legal?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Right? Like?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Is that just the same thing?
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah? Yeah, I don't know. I'm you know, in the
way this next step wasn't groundbreaking, but in a way, uh,
I think it was the the uh pressing charges accusing
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someone of stealing and lying. You know, we're we're in
the We're in the great game, So I don't know,
we're we are gonna be covering the next steps. I
guess that's kind of funny to me always because we're
we're not media, but we are. If you're someone that
thinks we're doing this for clicks, I don't know. I
(35:35):
guess in a way, you're half not wrong. But in
a way, it's like the story of baseball, and that's
our that's what we.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Do in a pretty real way. What else are we
gonna talk about?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, I mean that's the If you guys want me
to dive into Texas's Michael Lorenzen signing, I don't know.
He can get these market He could give them some
good innings this year.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
They get their guys healthy. He has no problem switching
to a bullpen roll come the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Ironically, MLB Network, because the world does have to move on,
just tweeted out their top ten bullpens, like number three
on the list.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I did see a bit of breaking news that does pertain.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
To show Heyo Tani. What's that today?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
He had a catch for the first time since surgery.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
I did see that. I saw one of the one
of the Beat reporters put that out. All right, guys,
I honestly hope we're not doing too many full EPs
on this again. I think we're gonna have jolly for Wednesday.
As we tee up the season. We may be doing
a tierless we may not be. I kind of I
(36:45):
want to talk ball, but we'll see. We'll see people
like the Tearless if you listen to this, Thank you
so much. Again, This normally isn't my strength, usually a
little more silly in there, but I don't know this
this has a chance to be one of the bigger
stories that we've seen during the duration of the company.
(37:10):
So this, in theory, was a good step. If everything
show Hey said is true, uh, we'll be talking about
Ipe is a bad guy and he'll become crazy.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
That happens a.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Joke in a few months years and wow, that's insane.
There's probably going to be conspiracy theories forever. And if
there's us if one of the next steps of this
story heads the other direction, it starts to become one
of the bigger stories of sports and of the world.
(37:46):
So I don't know, if you want to hear Chris
Rosen Trev talk about it. They've talked about. If you
want to hear talking baseball, we talked about it there.
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Hello, and welcome to Waken Jake myself, Jake's story, Ellie
David Mendelssohn, as we're covering man the week of baseball season,
and the biggest news is show he Otani not well,
I was gonna say, not the seven hundred million dollar
(00:20):
contract that we've talked about, not the Dodgers, not the
Korea Series, you guys obviously already know by now. But
his translator, Epe caught up in some sort of gambling
storm that we're still sorting through, and we just had
Otani speak about it for the first time. So we
thought we'd wait for that to happen before talking to
(00:43):
you guys. If you have no idea at all, we'll
try to speed catch you up. Basically, over at the
Korea Series. After the first game, Ipe gave a speech
ninety minutes, which is a long time. We haven't talked
about that enough, a long and a half. I don't,
I don't talk that long, saying that he had this
(01:07):
gambling problem, gambling debt. A lot that heard it was
kind of whatever in the Dodgers clubhouse, and then there
was some quotes, you know, the the Dodgers general manager
said Otani paid off the debts.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Isn't that one of the things like he because because
when he paid, like announced like I have gambling problem,
like whatever he stepped in was like and show hey
paid the debts.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
And basically since there it's been all I don't know,
downhill uphill no hills. Uh Ipey basically was told to
immediately come back and take back that statement that none
of it was true. And then since then Otani's been
in silence about it until the press conference that just happened.
(01:53):
We'll talk about that. Uh, but all sorts of internet
rumors going on, what could this actually be, a lot
of people making assumptions, including us and guessing and I
don't know, making your own movie about this. Uh, that
has now led to Epe got fired.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
They played the second game in Korea and basically we
all assumed that I don't know, a lot of rumors
about fall guy for epay, a lot of rumors that
I don't know. Could Epe just be the bad guy?
Could there be even more going on? Uh? So with that,
we just had the show Heyo Tani press conference that
(02:36):
I don't know, I guess going in, we all assumed
it was gonna be very lawyery, which I don't know.
I guess credit to Otani. And you know, the irony
of all of this is we're now using a different
translator because Epay's out and the guy wasn't a translator,
is just a dude in the Dodgers' front office who
(02:57):
again that this isn't an important detail. But I don't know.
It's part of it. And I do think showhy came out.
I guess a little more. I don't. I don't want
to say candid, because nothing about this was candid. The
whole speech was pre written and.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Off notes, literally, but I.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Guess there was. There's a world where you expect this
to go with, you know, just playing the lawyer card,
and let's I want everything to come out. I really
don't want to speak too much on it, you know,
let the lawyers handle that. Blah blahlah. He came out
in the quote that everyone is rolling with. Strongly is
I never bet on baseball or any other sports, or
(03:42):
never have asked somebody to do it on my behalf.
I have never went through a bookmaker to bet on sports,
so that is pretty strong. That is, you know, I texted, texted,
you have passing a couple of days ago kind of
prodding if I'm being on and honestly not looking for
(04:03):
a ton It was just when it was kind of breaking,
and Passing said he had heard about this from January,
and if if that fact kind of blindsides you, Uh,
the illegal bookie in California that got busted got busted
in January. So that's when they found Otani's name on things.
So there was whispers of this going on since then.
(04:24):
The only thing that I will say in Passing said
this days ago, like if if law enforcement and we're
pressing charges, that's no joke, which again I shouldn't even
credit Jeff Passing for that, Like that's some of the
obvious stuff there. Uh, but it seems like we're heading
that direction. Uh, because what what are some of the
(04:46):
so from there show Hey turns it back to Ipe
where he says Epe lied and stole money from him.
M hm uh, and then basically Otani walks through the
timeline of what I I just talked about. EPA gave
a speech uh in that Dodger's Locker Room show. He
said like he was listening to it, kind of understanding it.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
You could get like the vibe of yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
But also partially missing it. Uh. And then he said
him and Epe spoke after that.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And Anybe told him before like and let's just talk
in full after this.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, but uh. And that's when Otani says, you know,
he was like, whoa, this is This is far past
anything I would have thought of. Need to get lawyers involved,
like this is this is not me. So I think
the other couple powerful statements and things that people are
(05:45):
wrestling wrestling with that we can dive into a little
more in a minute. Everyone is struggling with the access
to the bank account stuff, partially understandably. So we're talking
about I think I'm seeing five hundred thousand dollars transactions
being listed. We've heard about a four and a half
(06:06):
million dollar debt from gambling, so everyone is wondering, you know,
how could anyone have that kind of access. That's not
show heo Tani because the other big thing he said
is that he did not pay off the debt, which
that is probably the number one thing that I would
currently be held up on as if you're doing conspiracy theories,
(06:29):
and again if you're one of the Dodger fans tuning
into this that's like defending show Hey with everything you got. One,
I kind of get it, that's kind of being a fan.
And two like nobody knows anything yet. Nobody actually knows
anything yet, and that goes in every direction. Like I've
seen people in my comments right now saying, I remember
(06:51):
when Pete Rose came out and said he was innocent. Okay,
that's a little dramatic. We don't know yet, Like there
very much is a story that Epay, the translator who
you know. The most recent article we got on him
was that his college degree may be fake and his
(07:11):
resume may have lies. And I believe the word liar
was thrown out about him from show Hay in this
press conference. That man, there can be a story where
this is epey. Epe operated alone. He racked up a
gambling debt. There are a lot of people that do that.
(07:33):
It's an addicting thing and you get caught up and
if you lose, you think I can bet more and
get it back, and you can end up losing more
and get yourself in a tough situation, which maybe Epe did.
And show Hey being the superstar of superstars he is
and having a trusted confidant, and Epey trusted him to
(07:55):
a certain degree that allowed these transactions to happen, and
Ipe was just betting and hoping to get out of
it and never did. And maybe maybe that is the story,
maybe it's not. And I guess that's the only thing
I'll tell the diehard Dodger fans or Otani fans is
(08:16):
I'm I'm gonna keep my heart open to that story,
and I hope it's true, right because that's the best
thing for the sport I love. Like hopefully Otani is
clear of this. We look back on the day and
we're like, damn remembered Tani's translator was taking money from
him and he was losing it on gambling, Like that's
(08:36):
that's insane. There are other options, and I'm discussing them
and I'm not necessarily accusing, but there are a couple
things that don't fully I don't want to say fully
check out yet. But I need a little more confirmation
on because the other thing that's been part of this
(08:57):
storyline is how close these two have been. They've they've
been together since twenty eighteen. I think is official. I
think he was the Angel Slash Show Hayes interpreter, and
these these guys were like a thing in baseball, Like
we live in a very baseball centric office that if
you had asked our office, Hey, what's the name of
Show Hayes translator, the office probably would have gotten it
(09:19):
at a seventy five percent clip, at least the baseball people.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Or at least like everybody's like I know Show eight
his interpreter, are very close.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
And like he caught him that he was the catcher
for during Show Hayes home run derby run he brought.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Everybody knew he brought him from Angels to Dodgers, and
like it was assumed it turns out not correct. But
they're like in that new Dodgers contract, if GM owner sells,
the team gets fired, turns out the epe getting fired.
It wasn't in there. He gets hot that Like people
knew that. Again, that clause in the contract not true.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And there's a ton of quotes out there. I mean,
you know, Ipe had something that we spend three hundred
and sixty five days together, which you know, uh, this
is waken Jake, Like we can be kind of real here,
Like we've had some silly stuff around that like do
you need your do you need your translator? Around three
hundred and sixty five days. I know one of the
lines was, you know, you only need a translator if
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there's a third person around. Both of these guys have wives,
Like I don't know, I don't know. These guys were close.
How close? Uh? I guess none of us truly know,
but these guys were very close.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It's clearly like much closer to a true friendship than
just a coworker colleague situation.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I mean there was also you know, I just saw
someone posted a clip from like Dodger Fest where Sho
Hayes laughing out loud about he says, oh, you know,
me and me and Epe are just business partners, we're
not friends, and Epe translates it and he laughs and
the whole crowd laugh. So like, I don't know, they're
on that level of friendship that they're making those jokes now,
(11:04):
which now in the current situation again just becomes more
and more interesting. One of the big hiccups, like I mentioned, uh,
people are getting really caught up on the money side.
And I'm gonna fully admit that I don't know anyone
(11:31):
that I think can truly speak on it like I
Josh Cousnick, which is a throwback in John Boy Media
and some different programs. He was. I think he was
the youngest MLB agent he's been in the game. He
he was replying to tweets saying that he's like, if
you know MLB players, like they're as hands off as possible,
(11:55):
especially when you're at scho Hayes level, like Show has
a star.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, like to an extent, I get it if he
didn't four pointy five million is a lot, but I
get it if he didn't notice some amount of his
money was missing or didn't know like an exact figure
that should be in there, Like I've the more I've
thought about the more, Like I've always said since I
was younger, like if I had that much money, I'd
basically just never look at my bank account because what
(12:22):
do I care. I know I've got enough. It's like
the benefit of being riches. You don't have to really
think about it. And no, granted that's why he has
accountants and there's other people whose job that is and
where did it go wrong there?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
But yeah, and I again that's something that I can't
speak strongly of, you know, Yeah, Show Hayes accountants or
finance people seeing that money go out to I don't
know a blessed in California or however that was going down.
I would like to know more about that because show
(12:56):
hay does say, uh, I had no knowledge of Epe's gambling,
which for me, that's that's maybe my biggest yellow flag
for two guys that spent as much time together over
the past six seven years as they've had. I think
(13:18):
the gambling starts twenty one, twenty two, something like that,
so in more recent years to have no idea and
again maybe this doesn't matter, Maybe it does.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
And there's people who have like kept things from people
that are close with sure, you.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Know, placing at Little Cheese on the side. I don't
know everyone's bets. I don't know what Joe's McFly bet today.
But yeah, like when you hear a statement like that,
I guess what it has teed up is sho Hey
has laid it out there. Like I get coming into
(13:58):
the press conference, I didn't know if we were gonna
look back and say, all right, you know that was
a lot of lawyer talk show. Hey, we knew show
he wasn't gonna come out and say he's guilty, unlike
Ipe did after his first press conference. If you don't
know why, we just snorted, there's Pepe came out and
(14:21):
he said, I'm ready for the punishment, whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Whatever. At some point in that interview he I believe
the text exchange. He said, like it's all my fault
and I'm ready to accept all consequences. That's just whether
you're planning to like plead guilty or not, it's just
not something you say.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
So, yeah, I guess for me, I do like that show. Hey,
he fully laid the gauntlet out there. He was like,
I had no part of this. I didn't gamble on
any sport, never mind baseball, any sport. Ipe did all
of this. He lied for me. He stole from me.
(15:06):
I mean with that, that's you know that show Hayes
Mike Troup like, I'm I'm all in on being all
out on this. Uh So, in a way, I'm I'm
happy that that was laid out there because let's say,
if everything goes smoothly or epey, you know, like he
says he's ready for guilt and it admits all of it,
(15:29):
and he was a bad guy and he stole money,
uh from a friend and he was gambling and he
got caught up in it. Uh. Then yeah, you know,
it's crazy that this happened to uh, one of the
you know, most famous athletes, one of the most talented
athletes in the world. But it happened, and I don't know,
(15:51):
we could look back and say, Show Hey handled it
with grace, and it sucks that he had to go
through this, because that's Uh. That was the other thing
I was thinking, like, you know, looking, you know, the
Korea series was what five days ago, it's Monday. They
played on Wednesday and Thursday, so less than a week ago.
(16:13):
If you ask shohe Otani in an interview who his
best friend is, you might.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Say epe, even if he's the best friend on the team,
would be like so to be up there a week
later and if all of this, if his account is true,
to come out and say all this he's a liar
and a bad guy, well then that is what it is.
(16:41):
That'd be a betrayal and levels no one's ever seen.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
For the other side of it, which again, I know,
if if you're here for Show Hey, you don't you
don't want to hear any more of it. And you
want it to end and that be the inn story.
And I'll be honest with you, I think I want
that to be the story because that would be best
for baseball and easiest for everyone to move on. There
(17:05):
are still some things that are hard to believe. I
eat him not knowing Epe was gambling at all. I
don't know, man. That Again, I don't know if there's
necessarily a crime there, but to say you didn't know
e was gambling at all, I don't know. Interested to
find out about that.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
How much time they spend together, You never, at least
like talked about odds a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
You know, a couple sporty guys kind of, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well, it's show he doesn't pay attention to the sports.
Married to basketball.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Player, So yeah, that's that one's you know, yellow flag.
Let's find out more the money being withdrawn from the accounts. Again,
I don't have a lot of experts in the field
that I think I can lean on uh for this,
Like I mentioned, you know one of the few agents
(17:57):
I'm slightly connected to, though he is a bit of
a wild card. Uh says like, Man, if you've ever
dealt with athletes and players like this, you know, you know,
especially if you hit Shohees level, that you don't want
to deal with anything. You have people to deal with that.
(18:21):
And as I look at the timeline and I did
put a baby question out there, you know, I I
think the consensus is starting to get a little more
I don't want to say tinfoil cap, but a little
more what actually happened because the other side of this
is the gambling side, and this this guy, what's it
(18:46):
Boyer Boyer, who is running the illegal gambling place in California.
You know, one of the first questions opened up was
to get this sort of line of credit. You know,
this is for the elite and for you know, the
high end rich people of the world, and Epey is
(19:08):
not that, but sho Hey is so for me. I've
never been so crazy about this point because I think,
if you're Boyer, who I don't know it all and
I've you know, I've seen two stories about him. If
you're the kind of person that runs an illegal gambling chapter,
if that's what it's called, if you know epe is
(19:31):
placing bets, you know, he is linked to one of
the wealthiest athletes in the world that if he gets
into significant debt, you kind of know Big Brothers probably there.
I don't know. Again, maybe I'm overstepping my illegal gambling knowledge,
(19:53):
but a lot of people that are more familiar with
that space are like, no way, like no way lawyer
would let this happen unless you know. There was some
confirmation that Otani's at least behind him in some way,
which again that starts to get into legalities, whether a
it's show Hey placing bets at an legal place and
(20:14):
Epe's kind of the front man for it, or I
don't know even if they know that Show Hayes his
guardian angel, that's in a way that's like show Hey
placing bets and then I don't know, especially when the
money's coming out of show He's account and the check
(20:35):
says Otani on it. I don't know. I think those
are the two the two paths that are laid out,
and they've kind of been laid out for a little
bit now is Hey it's all Ebey And that's wild
because as of again a week ago, he was the innocent.
(21:00):
I say this just because other people have talked about innocent,
like little translator of Show Hey, like he's I heard
there's that one radio clip where they were kind of
being brutal to eBay. But and I don't know, show
he is a massive human, so it's tough to be
next to that guy in every picture.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
But when you're a guy whose whole life is being
next to that dude, so he's a giant.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Coming from a fellow small guy, you get some like
kind of cute liberties. I'm the least intimidating person in
the world. I used to find that out when I
was traveling a lot for my first job. I would
walk into places and no one's worried about me. I'm
five seven, h uh, and just kind of a friendly,
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bubbly guy. Naturally that would I would walk into places
and they, you know, they kind of welcome me in
with open arms. Ipe was kind of in that boat
his show.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Hayes guy.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
He's the guy that knows the guy. He's friendly, he's
you know, involved in all the interviews. He's a silly
dude himself that he's the bad guy that did all
of this, and maybe he did. The other side would
be that if something comes out and that's where you know,
(22:15):
I pretended to quote brother Jeff before, But now that
we're you know, the federal allies are involved. This is
serious law enforcement. The things that show Hay did lay out.
I mean, if any of that gets debunked, which feels
(22:40):
like stuff that could get easily debunked, right like if
a couple text messages. I don't know, I don't know,
but show Hays saying he's never bet, He's laid out
the gauntlet a little bit. Let's see live again. I
mentioned I tweeted out, anybody have some thoughts on the show? Hey,
(23:03):
epay situation that's bait. I'll fully admit that. I admitted
it to BBD before I tweeted it. Just got a
response from Pitching Ninja Rob Friedman, who is a lawyer.
Denying something is something everyone does. Accusing someone of stealing
while also cooperating with authorities and pressing charges creates liability
(23:25):
for you if you're knowing falsely doing it. Okay, that's
kind of what I was saying, but just in anaccurate
legal sentence, a good sentence, and it's also something that's
pretty easily verified once there's an investigation by authorities. Your
attorneys wouldn't let you give a statement like that if
it's not true. Obviously, nothing is ever one hundred percent,
(23:49):
but those are things that should be considered when evaluating
the situation. Also, plenty of stars have been scammed by
people they trust. Wow, I mean, that's kind of beautiful
by Rob Friedman, and I'm gonna retweet that. And again
that's as you're listening to this. And I hate to
be dumb, but if you put sho he Otani in
(24:14):
almost any of our episodes of Waken, Jake talking baseball,
hell talking Yanks, that episode's gonna do decently. And the
fact that we're doing this is live breaking news. That's
part of our recipe that I say this now after
you've listened to me for twenty five minutes, just be
careful who you are listening to. And I hope I'm
(24:34):
doing a decent enough job of trying to lay things
out there and letting your opinion go which way you
want as of now, because still nobody knows. I do
not know, and the world doesn't know yet. But like
Rob Friedman, the Pitching Ninja just laid out a lot
better than me for the accusations to come out. Not
(24:58):
just plead innocence and let the lawyers figure this out,
but stole, stole lied. Uh what was the other one
cooperating with the authorities? I mean, show he has laid
it out there. So in a way, if you go
(25:20):
full America and shit innocent until proven guilty, I want
to see the next steps. I think there's a lot
of people that are are skeptical with placing bets of
that size. There are a lot of athletes who are
competitive in big time gamblers, so I think there was
also a bunch of people that were like shrugging and
(25:42):
being like, well, Showy has got a lot of money.
Show is a pretty competitive dude. I wouldn't be shocked
if he got into some gambling. I don't know what
else you got.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Beabs and just in general, it feels like there's in
a few different avenues, like one more like confirmed piece
of information in a few ways would just go a
long way. Uh you know, depending on what your specific
question is, like, like any more real details would be helpful.
(26:17):
And there's a little bit of a fear that we're
just kind of never gonna get that, right, That's that's
just how it works a little bit.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Well, and what whatere our?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
What are our what are.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Our biggest loose ends or the loosest ends right now
would be didn't the show hey quote that he paid
off debts?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, there's like a quote from that original ninety minute
thing that like he was asked about in the same
story that was like that made it sound like he
agreed to pay off debts.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
The spokesman provided ESPN with quote Biotani, Yeah, I sent
several large payments. That's some maximum amount I could send.
So that's still out there.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
That's out there. How how or why Epey had access
or how exactly that'll happened. I guess any more information
than there could go a long way.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I guess for me, if if you're trying to be
cynical skeptical, for me, something that seems oddly logical but
again puts us against the wall a little bit would
be that, hey, epe racked up this debt. He hit
up his guy show, Hey, who was rich?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I screwed up to it and it wouldn't really affect him.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Dog, I screwed up. I need you to pay this off.
I'll never gamble again. My bad shoe. Hay was like, hey, man,
you better really not gamble again. I'll pay this off.
You're my guy, But like whatever, shoe Hey did pay
it off and then everyone else figured out that that's
super illegal. I think that I still like in play.
(28:01):
But I guess that's where show hay saying that he lied.
He he could have lied that it was gambling debt
and he was still sending money to something.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
He could have been told it was for something else.
I don't know what that would be, but and I
guess this is a full Like I don't know how
things work, but wouldn't it be better on show hayes
end to send the money to eBay and then I
don't know, two transfers, gets weird, But then the money
(28:35):
going straight from show Hey to the guy. I don't
know what matters or doesn't matter there. I don't know
how any of that works, and that's why I don't
have I don't have that kind of money.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
You know, this this story is leaving sports a little
bit because it's a controversy and there's a business side
to it and a gambling side to it that you know.
Joe Pompiliano, who I think Jimmy did, did an interview
with him once and he's pretty big business sporty t.
You know, his was how did he pay have access
to the bank account. We've covered that a little bit.
(29:06):
I'd like to think that's a little easier than we think,
but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I'm guessing an answer there, just how that happened.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
And then his question, that I still think is one
of the more fair ones, is how did he not
notice multiple five hundred K payments leaving his account over
several months, which, again, that would probably have to tie
into EPA being a liar, and that there was an
it's either EPA being a liar or it's show Hey
(29:34):
paid it off and didn't think it was a problem,
and then we found out it's a problem, so now
we've kind of got to cover that up. But then
that would be that would be show Hey knowing that
he was in gambling debt, which he said he did
not know.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
He says he straight up doesn't know that, and that
would and let's assume that assuming that's the way it landed,
where he thought he was helping a guy out and
didn't understand, and the ramifications of that, that just lands
in such a weird gray area where I'm like, not
sure how the rules are supposed to apply there. As
(30:11):
far as any baseball punishment legally, I guess it's you
paid an illegal bookie and that's a problem.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
So I mean show Hay left it at I mean,
show Hay is not gonna answer any more questions about it,
right like he's he said, he's letting the lawyers deal
with it and he's going to go onto the season
pretty much, which I mean, let's let's be honest. I
(30:43):
think anyone in that situation would be kind of doing
the same thing. And I I don't know. I guess
until there's any evidence of show Hay being involved, Like
I don't think he would need to be suspended or
anything like that. B in theory he's had, he's had
(31:04):
a very awful thing happened to him, and until we
know more information about it, I don't think we can
really go to the next level with that being said,
Like I'm I'm not ready to fully jump out and
be team show Hey till I die. I things need
(31:27):
to run their course. And I think that was Chris
Rose's message, and I kind of laughed because I was like,
come on, Chris Rose, it's the right answer. We don't
live in a world that works that way or wants
to work that way, and God, I have I have
no idea what kind of like, what kind of timeline
(31:50):
are we on. Doesn't feel like it's something that moves quick.
It took us two months from the time that this
illegal bookie got busted did in January for things to
start coming out, So I don't know. I don't know
for the for the first week of the season. This
(32:12):
is not what I thought we would be talking about
on Waken Jake. But I don't know. I is it
gonna go to the background for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
It Like, I I think it could either move very quickly,
get new updates and whatever, or this is gonna be
a very long process.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I'm sure there's you know, there's there's month's worth of
bank statements and talking to people and all that they
got to get like poured through. Yeah, I have no
idea how long that will be. Yeah, I mean, in
(32:59):
a way, feels like we've moved a lot since we
found out almost a week ago about any of this,
But in a way we haven't.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I mean, the the end of Pitch Ninja Pitching Ninja's tweet,
which again I enthus you to go look at and
I'm I'm glad that came out of my tweet because again,
that was kind of a bad twitter bait tweet, but
I'm glad it led to that. He attached a link
(33:30):
to It's a Yahoo Finance article of a list celebrities
that got scammed, Dange Cook on there and Hathaway.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Not like people have never been betrayed before or had
you know a person they trust hurt them?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Know what I still want answered? And and maybe I'm
I'm dumb, but why why use this illegal guy?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
There's a lot of legal ways to gamble now that
I don't know. It's just easier cash is king? I
don't really Is this guy a big bets only guy?
That's what I still.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Gus their levels of like if any person is betting
x amount, Like, well, you don't use a yes sports,
but you and I would use I have no idea.
I guess it's technical. Is it technically illegal to have
a representative in another in a state that it is legal?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Right? Like?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Is that just the same thing?
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah? Yeah, I don't know. I'm you know, in the
way this next step wasn't groundbreaking, but in a way, uh,
I think it was the the uh pressing charges accusing
(35:09):
someone of stealing and lying. You know, we're we're in
the We're in the great game, So I don't know,
we're we are gonna be covering the next steps. I
guess that's kind of funny to me always because we're
we're not media, but we are. If you're someone that
thinks we're doing this for clicks, I don't know. I
(35:35):
guess in a way, you're half not wrong. But in
a way, it's like the story of baseball, and that's
our that's what we.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Do in a pretty real way. What else are we
gonna talk about?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, I mean that's the If you guys want me
to dive into Texas's Michael Lorenzen signing, I don't know.
He can get these market He could give them some
good innings this year.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
They get their guys healthy. He has no problem switching
to a bullpen roll come the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Ironically, MLB Network, because the world does have to move on,
just tweeted out their top ten bullpens, like number three
on the list.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I did see a bit of breaking news that does pertain.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
To show Heyo Tani. What's that today?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
He had a catch for the first time since surgery.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
I did see that. I saw one of the one
of the Beat reporters put that out. All right, guys,
I honestly hope we're not doing too many full EPs
on this again. I think we're gonna have jolly for Wednesday.
As we tee up the season. We may be doing
a tierless we may not be. I kind of I
(36:45):
want to talk ball, but we'll see. We'll see people
like the Tearless if you listen to this, Thank you
so much. Again, This normally isn't my strength, usually a
little more silly in there, but I don't know this
this has a chance to be one of the bigger
stories that we've seen during the duration of the company.
(37:10):
So this, in theory, was a good step. If everything
show Hey said is true, uh, we'll be talking about
Ipe is a bad guy and he'll become crazy.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
That happens a.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Joke in a few months years and wow, that's insane.
There's probably going to be conspiracy theories forever. And if
there's us if one of the next steps of this
story heads the other direction, it starts to become one
of the bigger stories of sports and of the world.
(37:46):
So I don't know, if you want to hear Chris
Rosen Trev talk about it. They've talked about. If you
want to hear talking baseball, we talked about it there.
If you're sick of it and you want to hear
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