June 13, 2025 • 49 mins
Egypt Sherrod & Mike Jackson On Cancelation Fears, Marriage Tension, Media Misquotes + More
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Well, what's up this way up with Angela. Yeah, let's
get into it. One of my favorite things to talk
about with my favorite couple to talk about it with.
Egypt and Mike Jackson are here with me today as
on a season four of Married to Real Estate, a
number one show on HGTV by the way, than you.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
If they love it, then you need to support it
and let folks know, yes, because there's rumors out there
right now, there's you know, TV, terrestrial television as a
whole is going through some problems where they're losing viewership
online and so many networks are losing viewership and as
(00:43):
a result, it's leaving just the audience that does not
watch YouTube and does not stay on social So the
average age of those who watch terrestrial television is a
lot higher now, it's like sixty and seventy year old.
Oh wow, that's and so as a result, the folks
that you're seeing on TV or the shows that are
staying are the ones they like.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
But you know, I feel like you guys have a
show that can span like many different age ranges too,
because I can see that happening. But you're right, because
I see like a like we know the younger generation,
they're not watching TV the same way that we did.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
They call it cut in the cord.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
The younger generations generation G They're like, we don't even
own cable, you know what I mean. Everything they do
is streaming from their phone or their laptop. So we
make a We're very intentional about getting out and making
sure we touch that audience. That's one of the reasons
we created the podcast to make sure we're not just
stuck in a box to where an only where a
(01:43):
certain age group will only focus on us, right, and
a certain demographic or a certain race, So we make
sure we reach out.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
You know what, I think is good that you guys
have this Marriage and Money podcast as well, and that
kind of also ties back into the show and supplements
what you have going on.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
There is therapy.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Yeah, it's because I was like, let's talk about some
of the things that I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
There was one episode where you were talking about Mike's
divorce and his marriage, like before you.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Go, you really watched because that one was like hidden
in we didn't even do ah, but it was like
hidden in the.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Episode no but you And that was the first time
you guys had kind of discussed like the trauma from
other relationships both of you, because each of you were like,
I don't never want to be in a relationship again
after this, I'm just going to focus on.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well it looked at the end of the day, we
all got history. When Mike and I met, he you
were work two years out of a marriage at that point,
with a small baby.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
She's my baby, she's my you know, she's our eldest.
She's my baby.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
But I was like, oh, you know, I prayed for X,
Y and Z. But it doesn't necessarily what we want
doesn't necessarily come in a pretty box with a.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Bow on it.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Sometimes we can have our laundry lists as women or
what we're looking for, but then when somebody comes in
on life maybe and I had my list of like
I don't want him to have any kids, and I
don't want him to have been married.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
And you know, just sort of this squeaky clean, boring
but excite. I'm realistic. I'm realistic.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
But the truth is all the stuff that I had
on my list, Angela, of what I thought I didn't
want turn out to be the biggest blessings in my
life and in our relationship.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I have three girls now, not.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Just the two I gave birth to the fact that
he was married before is what actually I think made
him a better man and more prepared for our marriage.
Right except for when he thought he could tell me
how to breastfeed.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I did not. She like, i've been.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Married before, you supposed to lifting.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
She's basically saying no.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Through my experience, I would try to offer her some suggestions.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
On how to do things in a certain way because
I had been there, done that. That's all. That's all
that was you. I didn't say nothing about breastfeeding.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Listen, but no.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
But I think that was really great for you guys
to because part of on the show. I like that
you had the podcast as well, because we see the
show that's focused more. We see little glimpses of family things,
you know, throughout, but.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
We don't get to hear all of that.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And I know, Egypt, with your background in radio and
DJ Fidel, you know, knowing that you guys have this
background as personalities too, where you also get to share
because like you said, it is therapeutic, and so I
just think it's great to have that as a way.
You know, Egypt, I don't listen I know you hate
that always, but you are such a you're such a
great radio personality and there's not a you know's you've
(04:38):
made a mark for somebody who has left that world.
You know, fourteen years ago, it's still talked about that.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I appreciate that. Yeah, you know what, and same to you. Respect,
given respect, reci thank.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You for that.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I always tell you this, you're like the road map
to like, Okay, let's get it from here to here.
Because like you're talking about how TV is different now,
but radio is different now too.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
You know, it's all an adjustment.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I have seen that. So you know what, here's what
I say.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
We got to stay flexible and you can't be a
one trick pony. I believe in branding forward, so not
just branded for where you are. For instance, you're a
business owner, you have multiple businesses yourself. You're doing very well,
right so, but I own a business is a lot
of work. You will never work more, but it's worth it,
right because at least you're waking up every day and
(05:25):
you're doing But what I'm saying is, so the efforts
that you're making today or anyone who owns a business
today shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Be for the moment. It should be where are you going.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
In five years or ten years, and literally everything you're
doing in this moment should be for that, not for
right now, because this moment changes. We have to be
able to evolve and move our business in our lives forward.
And so for me, when I was in radio, it
was shrinking. This is when they were syndicating everything. Steve
Harvey wants to getting every market in the morning, you know.
So jobs were being lost, farm few in between, person
(06:00):
city and I'm like, I stood.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
On an unemployment line one time for four hundred and
five dollars a week. Yep, I said, I will never
do this again.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
I actually have to do.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I called my dad and I was like, let me
call in and get my I tell my friends right now,
I'm like, get your unemployment. You know, you pay all
that money, like throughout you're entitled to that, like at
least that pride. Sometimes people don't want to do that,
you know, let go that pride.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
You have to, you know, because here's it speaking. Let's
speak to that point for a minute. Because a lot
of folks, especially in entertainment, you know, when they're trying
to be business owners, they think it's only the things
you see with the glitzen glam. They never want to
show the you know, the nitty gritty and the mud
those months that you don't make any money for yourself,
(06:48):
but you made money for the business, right Yeah, and
you're scared to put it out there. I think what
I love about today's market and today's influencers and talent
is that they're like, I'm gonna be me, I'm gonna
show you everything.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
That has been winning for them, you know, instead of
trying to make the pretty videos, they make the ugly
ones and they do viral, right, And we have to
get out of out of the mindset of it has
to be perfect.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
Yeah, yeah, start.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I meant losing everything and building back up. That was
a big topic for you as well, saying once you
got divorced, it was.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Kind of, you know, starting all over.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Some people also don't want to date when they're in
a space of not having it like that.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
That's where that's where I was.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
You know, this this was just divine intervention because I
was in a space, was in a space where I said,
I'd be damn if another woman tells me, oh, you're
not making enough, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I wasn't going through that. I was not going through that.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
I said, when I'm right mentally, emotionally, financially, then I'll
get back out there. And then just so happens to be,
I meet her, and then all that was out the door,
And that's.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
What I wanted.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
At first.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I was like, Okay, we can have fun for a
little while. Maybe he's not missing, right, but we go ahead,
fun for.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
A little while.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
But we were on I can't even say it was
a first date, baby, because we had pumped into each
other and so many times and then started working with
each other. But let's just say first official date. On
that first official date, we were right there on forty
third Street, right, And when was that name of that
restaurant where they serve frog legs?
Speaker 5 (08:17):
No, it put me on the five pickles and stuff
like that.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Anyway, it tastes like chicken.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yes, date date's going well, Angela, Right, dates going well.
I'm getting a little butterflies in my stomach. We had
just come from the movie. He put his arm around me,
so I saw he liked me. He was making a
move and a whole nine. So I'm feeling something for
the first time in a long time feeling something and
then he sits back across from me. He goes, all right,
I gotta tell you something. Yeah, And I said, hey,
go the bull.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
We want to tell me that, you know, you know
what are you.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Gonna tell me?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
But but the fact that he laid out his life,
no matter if it was gonna embarrass him or not,
that turned me on even more. I think I just
had never had someone so honest, right right.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, Like me said, we're all like coming with some
type of bad gas. But we also, I think, and
I'm sure men do this too. As women, we have
a list of things that we don't want until you're like, oh,
you're in a situation where you're like, okay, maybe I'm
wrong for you know, xing this out before giving it
a chance.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Well, I think when it as.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
I can't speak for every man, but I know I
was in a space where I didn't know that full
less yet right until you experienced some things you're like, oh,
I will never do that again. I know I don't
want that in my life. One of the things I
knew i'd never wanted. I could never be with someone
that smoked, okay, right, I couldn't. I know, I couldn'tgarette cigarettes.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Okay, weed is.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Okay, here's okay.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
That was fine because it's recreation, but the morning smoking, afternoon,
gotta have my pack of cigarettes, like I just couldn't
do that. So and I remember your one young female like, oh,
you're gonna miss out on a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I said, I guess I will. And that was one
for me, big pet peeve.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
But I would say, yes, some men do have a list,
and those with the level heads do have a there
wants their needs and more so about how they want
to be treated right, because overall I can tell every
man wants to be respected right and not be littled
in their relationship or judge or scrutinize and be able
to talk to their partner without feeling like, oh, she's
(10:16):
gonna think I'm sore for she's gonna she's gonna make
me feel less of a man.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Every man wants that, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I saw when he Depe did this post about being mannish,
and there was yeah, but it was a good conversation
because I think as a person for my like myself,
for instance, I'm used to handling a lot of things
myself right because I've been doing this for a long time.
I'm always like, no, don't worry, I got this. This
is how And sometimes it's hard when you're a woman
(10:45):
who's like been an entrepreneur, have been doing things to
let somebody.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
Take the wheel a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
But I want you guys to discuss that a little Okay,
yes please, he was coming for you.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And they and they should come for but they should
have also watched the entire posts and read everything that
I said to fully understand what he was trying to convey, right, Like,
we have to listen to understand instead of just to respond.
So he said to me during a very stressful point
in our marriage, he said, you know this is and
(11:17):
it came from me asking you are you happy? And
I said, babe, are you happy? At this point we've
been married for now this year fifteen years, but we've
been together twenty one year. So I think that's an
important question for everybody to ask their significant other anyway,
not do you love me?
Speaker 5 (11:32):
No?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Are you happy? Are you still happy?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So I asked him, and he paused a little too long,
and I said, okay, well let's talk about that. You know,
bring it out, don't hold it hold it in. I
want to know truly how you're feeling, and he says,
I feel that often you're coming off very mannish, and
just that that word managed at first hit me so hard.
(11:58):
I was trying to be a big girl, but the
tears started coming down my eyes because I think often
black and brown women we don't have a choice sometimes
but to live in our masculine. It's not that we
want to be there, but we feel like we have
to live in our masculine because we're up against so
much and there's no time to cry, there's no time.
(12:18):
All you got to do is girl, get up and
keep moving. And so I think I'd been in that
fight or flight all of my life and I had
never really learned what it meant to live in my
soft life. So I knew it, but to have him
verbalize that after so many years and I thought I
was doing good, I was just like wow. So then
you want to explain what you meant by it.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
So the idea of a female hearing managed, they automatically think.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
What aesthetically what strength?
Speaker 5 (12:47):
It has nothing to do with your physical attributes, right,
It's just the feeling of for a man. There's nothing
feminine feminine about certain things that you do. For instance,
something simple, babe. We can be at restaurants, sugar babe,
watch my purse and this She'll come back and push
the person back in front of me and say, watch
my purse.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
I'm like, who is going to steal this perse from me?
With me right here? I got it.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
You get what I'm saying. So this, let me close
the door, let me do what you asked me to do. Hey,
can you go do this for me? Don't come with
me to do it if you just ask me to
do it. So it's that a pattern of small things
like that over and over again becomes managed because it's
something you ask me to do as a man. Let
me be the man and do it. But if you
never allow me to get in that space, now, it's like, okay,
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this is turn off.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And so here's the thing to point out. When you're
in a relationship, it's not.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Always gonna be loved.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
You know, you're gonna go through ebbs and flows, just
like everything else. Just like the economy.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
We're gonna it's evident.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Relationship to the economy right now.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
But the reality is when you when you see couples
that have been together thirty forty years. There's something to
learn in that. How did you stay together? Not how
did you fall in love? You can fall in love,
that's easy. How did you stay together? So in understanding,
seeking to understand where he was coming from, and he
explained that I got it because I had fallen into
(14:12):
a space where we were building. So when you're building,
there's a high level of stress. You're telling folks what
to do, where to go, You're trying to handle all
the logistics.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
And I was now again very.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
High in my masculine, not in my feminine. He understood
that it's because we were building and I was.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
In my like grind mode.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Not that I wanted to bring that home, but it's
hard to turn it on and turn it off. So
when he brought that to my attention, I recognized I
wasn't doing as good of a job as I thought
I was. And that's not about hey, dim your light
so I can shine.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
No, it's saying more so.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Let me help, let me do what you asked me
to do, let me let me take it off for you.
So you might never have said it if she didn't
ask you. If that's something you had been feeling, because
you've been feeling it for a while, and then she asked.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
You and that's when you, Oh, I've never said the
managed part.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
No, but I've said I've requested certain things several time
and time again, Yes, and that and that right there,
when you request something, you know, For instance, Joe Olstein
has said something before I was driving and I was like,
I'll try that. He was like, you know, just let
your partner do whatever you're gonna do, and eventually God
will take the course. And I was like, okay, God,
it's been about five weeks, five months, and she hasn't
(15:19):
changed these patterns. I'm about to say something, right. So,
for instance, manage could also be how you speak to
that man, right. It's not what you say, it's how
you say it.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Hey, when's the last time you took the cabbage jot?
Speaker 5 (15:31):
You need to take the god damn garbage out. Now
you done got managed for me, and now we're gonna
go at it. And when and when men throw out
the manage or it doesn't, you're not in your feminine
or you're not in your soft area.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
It's basically just saying I'm not being turned on right now.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
It's interesting because the word manages. Also, men shouldn't do
that either, you know what I'm saying, like, don't tell
like yeah, So that's what I think threw people off.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Maybe it's the word man, Yeah, but I think what
he meant again, Yeah, listening to understand what he really
meant was you have been very aggressive and bossy. That's
what he meant. Instead of recognizing your home, now take
that jacket off. You're nobody's boss around here, you know,
take that off.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Instead of asking me for things, or checking in with
me or you know, being my wife, you're coming in
here telling me what to do.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And I didn't realize it, but here I am trying
to run three companies at work and I you know,
you get home and you just forget.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So you guys, yeah, you guys talk about evolving, and
you know, Mike, I know, even thinking about smart homes
and things like that as the wave of the future.
That's something that's important having your line of products and J. C. Penny,
I mean, I know you're here in town for that
as well, but congratulations on all of those things. And
like I said, the podcast and just expanding from being
(16:48):
on HGTV because my main thing in life is always
if this don't, I want to make sure I'm good
like I don't never want to feel like if this
contract is over, it's over for me. I want to
feel like, all right, Well, I just focus more on
this because I much john believe that if I focus
really hard on any business, it's gonna do well. When
I have the ability to just zone hone in on that.
(17:10):
Sometimes I don't have the time to do all the
things I want. You know, but the real estate company,
how is the real estate business.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Now so interesting?
Speaker 5 (17:17):
You know?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I think everybody's seeing the headlines right that there's just
so much inventory and not enough buyers again, evers and flows.
We've been here before in my time in real estate,
since I used to be on a radio New York
and have my office in fort Land, New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
We were right here in that same spot.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
This is what's going to define those who are the
pros and those who are not. You're going to see
a lot of people retire from real estate this year
just because they don't know what's going on and they
don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
How to survive in this.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It's really just about shifting. Okay, it's a buyer's market now,
So what's the name of the game, get more buyers,
market to the buyers. That's how you survive in a
seller's market. What's the name of the gang? This you last, right,
So it's just about the shift. But the key is
having multiple whose streams of income. You're correct, never put
all your eggs in one basket. So you're a licensed
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real estate agent? Are you an investor? What other businesses
do you own? Do you day trade as well? You know,
like all of these things are what help us grow wealth.
And so, yes, I was a radio personality. I was
sitting here in another studio. By the way, it was
like egg crates on the wall. It was not as
nice as this. And after I got that pink slip
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one good time, that's all it took for me to
recognize I could never be in that position again. And
I think everybody can relate to that. That is what
defines entrepreneurs for the most part. You asked most entrepreneurs
what made you start? It was the damn unemployment line
and then you just kind of it puts the hustle.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
In you, you know, So now answer her question.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Market you already know me in my mind.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
No, That's why I'm bringing you back how is the
real estate market in your opinion?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
The real estate market to me again is just in
an EBB. There will be a correction. Why interest rates
are just so high right now. And there's a lot
of uncertainty because of all of the talk and fear
mongering in the economy. Again, it's cyclical. You look at
the charts. I don't care what's happening in the press.
You look at the charts. It's doing what it has
always done historically. It's going down, then it's going to.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Come back up. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
And you know, from your point of view, Mike, when
we think about that too, because we talk about the
cost of things now of lumber, you know, for you
having your own, being able to renovate people's homes and
even finding workers as from what I'm hearing, has been challenging.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
What's it been like for you?
Speaker 5 (19:31):
So my crews have been around with me for some time,
so I haven't had issues there. However, I do know
of some companies that have lost men to DEI to immigration,
I mean ICE pulling them.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Out of it.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
To be clear where Ice too.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Sometimes people are scared even if they're here and they're
supposed to because they're rolling things programs back where people
were able to stay and did things the right way,
and they're still neglecting that. They're also saying, oh, this
doesn't count anymore. We're shutting this program down and someone's
scared there.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
So there's a lot of guys that will work in
the companies and they will still do their own thing
like stand out front in front of home depot to
get some work. Just last week in an area in
South Fulton, they literally lined up about thirty guys and
took them in, you know, so sad, which is unfortunate,
and they were real workers legally here, so they're dealing
(20:24):
with that right. But with regard to lumber and things
like that, we've had seen an increase in supplies as
far as tariffs, so we have to take that in
consideration when you're doing quotes for properties or work, and
it makes a difference. However, there hasn't been a big
punch in our area. We've been we've been thriving, so
we haven't felt the impact as of yet.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
And you know, I've been watching the show because you know,
I'm always fascinated by renovations to see like what the
plan is, you know, what are they about to do,
and a lot of times as homeowners, you're making a
decision to stay within your budget. You know, am I
gonna custom paint these cabinets or am I gonna have
to neglect that so I can get the tiles I
went in my bathroom. And that's why I think it's
also really great to have people who have relationships sometimes
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even being able to get the tiles that are going
to be hard for people to get as long as
you know people who are able to pull those in
and source them.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Relationships are big in this business, big time. I mean
in that same business construction business, real estate business. Speaking
of real estate, I just saw an article where they
said that thirty percent of the African American family has
been thriving a lot more when it comes to the
purchasing of properties.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Did y'all see that?
Speaker 1 (21:29):
No?
Speaker 6 (21:30):
I did not see that.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Look it up amazing that it's amazing, and it caught
my attention. I said, Okay, that's good news in real estate.
So it's something to look out for because a lot
of people think they can't do it.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Oh no, you're right.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
It's feeling like I just can't afford it. I'm not
going to do it, so they want to.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Be try ub dedicated to helping people like make sure
they get into it.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
What would you tell me?
Speaker 1 (21:49):
There's a lot of people that are like, I want
to do some fix and flips right, But it's not
as easy as it sounds.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
So why isn't it well?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Because I think sometimes I've had people come to me
be like okay, Like they'll want to buy something and
they think that it's going to be on schedule. A
lot of times it's not, you know, just to be honest,
because with my own experiences and other peoples, a lot
of times it's not. You have to be able to
have a little bit of wiggle room, you know, for
certain things. And I also tell people like some people
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will put like their last dollars into something and not
have reserves left over because sometimes things don't happen of
cost what you think it is. You have to go
back and fix something that somebody didn't do properly, or
you rip that wall open you find that it's worse
than you thought it was. I mean, there's permit issues,
there's neighbors that you can account for that are going
to be calling the cops and delaying your project. There's
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so many things that I think factor in that. You
also have to be flexible enough to say, if things
don't happen on schedule, how can I adjust and make sure.
That's why I always like to tell people if you
don't feel like you're ready. I don't ever want anybody
to put themselves in a position where you know, it
can be extremely stressful or they could even lose a property.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I was twenty two, twenty two, twenty three years didn't
have a lot of money. I think I had about
thirty two thousand dollars in savings in the bank.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
That sounds like a lie back.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
It does sound like a lot, but not when you're
buying a house and having a renovation. You know that
money goes really fast, right. So I bought a house
multifamily in Newark, New Jersey. This was my first flip house.
Had to replace the waistline, pay was tarn the roof,
you know, doing all these things, and the money went fast.
It was definitely scary, but for what I purchased the
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house for sold I sold it for two hundred and.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Twenty five thousand.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Fit do you see like, will you gamble, will you
take a calculator risk. I mean, don't make commulated really
risk and definitely do the numbers right. Make sure the
numbers were I'm go your T shirt to say the
numbers don't work either, do I.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
But if you.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Have the formula and you have a coach and always
use the rule of three, have three quotes on everything. Therefore,
if one team fails you you can replace them and
then also never pay somebody the money.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
All of.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah, that's potentially draws are four draws.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Sometimes if you can pay directly for things like if
you can, I'll purchase this stuff from home depot that
you need, you know, that's help.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
That can be helpful too.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
But I also think for first time people doing it,
sometimes they don't have a team and you know, so
you're trying to like take referrals and find people to
do stuff. You're googling stuff, you're going you know, and
that can also be challenging too.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
But it's it's easier today because now you can go
on Facebook and look up real estate groups.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
You can look up builder groups, you can look for contractors.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
You can go in Instagram, you can go on threads
and just say hey, I'm looking for contractors. In this
area or whatever. You can do that and get referrals.
Look for groups and communities that are like minded. We
didn't have that.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
You know, you read about that, because that's the reason
I started their real estate club was to be able
to have There's people in the club that are like appraisers,
like all kinds of people in different places. So I
feel like this didn't work out. Can somebody help me
with this? There's somebody that could jump in and be like, Okay,
we got you. We're in the group together. So and
I love that.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
The name of the game now is by land.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Though you understand that there's so much money to be
made in land without even having to build on it,
without having to develop on it at all. You can
literally just buy the land and lease it to someone
else who's farming it. Buy the land and lease it
to someone else who's putting.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
A billboard on it.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Buy the land, lease it to someone that's putting a
gas station on it. You know, whatever it is, by
the land, go get these things at the auctions that
you know right now you can. You can in certain
areas use a USDA New Construction loan, which allows for
you to buy the land with zero percent down then
because you have the land, get a new construction loan
against it, and you purchased it for you know, you
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or you were able to build for literally build on
USDA land for zero right.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Yeah, those of how to get things done now, Ejit.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I also want to talk about you know, I've been
listening to the podcast, like I said, and you discussed
finding out that you had lupus and doctors not even
knowing what was wrong with you and then taking this
chip to BALI.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
I want to hear more about this chip.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Oh, this is a podcast, so you don't have to
cut me off, right.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
Well, it might not all make it on air.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
And the holistic approach, because I'm all for that too.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Write sure, I believe in working alongside doctors with holistic
things that you can also do and researching that because
I'm so big on I don't take medicine if I
don't have to have a headache. I'm figuring out, like,
what is it that I need to do to get
rid of my headache and not have to take actual,
you know, medicine, whatever it is that I can do.
So talk to me about what that experience is like.
(26:39):
Because I have to imagine that it was life change.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
So number one, to understand what lupus is. It's an
autoimmune disease. Many things can trigger it. Some people are
literally born with it and it lies dormant in their
body but comes out in the most stressful of times.
I didn't find out I had lupus until I was
in my forties, which I still am, by the way,
so don't get start. But but no, I had Harper
(27:02):
and I was always sick. I would literally just wake
up in the middle of the night and feel like
I couldn't breathe, my neck was inflamed, or my stomach
was all of a sudden blown out to here, and
I had rashes on my back or on my face,
and I'm like, Mike, I must have had an allergic
reaction to something. He would almost on a weekly basis,
rush me to the hospital, but they could never find anything.
(27:24):
You know, And that's the thing, is that you'll have
a trigger and it'll you'll have a response, and you'll
have this huge lupus moment or outbreak, and then all
of a sudden, two days later, be fine. You'll have
days where you wake up I will have days where
I wake up and I'm like, I just can't move today,
I'm in so much pain. Everything hurts, and then days
where I feel like I could take on the world,
and that is really it's a rollercoaster of a life
(27:47):
for your health. But lupus and what that does to
your body, it causes inflammation as a whole, causes so
many things to go wrong, you know, throughout So I
felt like I was on high alert, just read alert
all the time. He'll tell you, I have to watch
what I eat, strip everything down. And it has been
a very difficult time. But I feel like I don't.
(28:10):
They feel like like I really rose to it with
alternative forms of medicine, which.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
We don't come a long way, very long way.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
We don't learn about it hearing.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I agree, But just as vigorous as we are about
chasing wealth and chasing joy, we have to be about
chasing answers for our own health, right, if not for us,
for our kids, for you know, for our parents, whomever.
So I started learning about alternative forms of medicine and
alternative types of doctors, functional medicine doctors. That's something you
don't hear too much. Have you heard that a functional
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medicine So when you get sick, Let's say you think
it's your heart, you go to a cardiologist. If it's
your stomach, you go to a gi you know, specialist,
but who sits down and evaluates everything and how the
entire body is functioning together. Have you ever said, like,
I just wish I could get all five of my
doctors together to talk.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Time.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah. So what a functional medicine doctor does is they
look at the whole body, the meridians in your body,
and they have things like alpha thermography that look at
disturbances in the body as well. They'll read, you know,
read your.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Body with herbs, and you know, bottom line is find
a functional medicine doctor. So we traveled to Bali. It
was really like a spiritual quest as well. But I
went to I wanted to see this doctor that I
was told about there. Her name was doctor Bobby. You
say something, This lady's like in her nineties and she
could run faster.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Than all of us put together.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
I believe that, And can you faster than call?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Right?
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Right?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
But she I laid down in her hut literally we
had to go. We were out in the middle, I
don't know what, and we laid down and she's she's
like a medical medium, and she read my entire body.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
She told me what was going on.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Mike was sitting there like this is insane that she
knows this much about you and you have not said anything.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
You just laid her table. So she found a doctor
for me back home. I've been going to that.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
But then I also learned about a few things. There's
a machine that I have I invested in called the
Charin and it reads the bodies light and frequency. We've
been learning how you've been seeing this all over social
media about frequency healing, vibrational healing, that it's killing things
like cancer and what have you. But this knowledge, this
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technology has been known on other parts of the world already.
I got this machine from Denmark, you know. And so
you sit down and read your circulatory system, your respiratory system.
It reads everything together and it literally will tell you, hey,
tooth T fifteen, you know, has a problem, and that's
why you're experiencing the issue in your ankle.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
You know it's connected to the meridian two T three.
Now it's why you have the headache that runs down
in the middle of your head. Do you see what
I mean here? We treat the symptom. If we get
a headache, we take an aspirin, not knowing that the
head is connected to the gut by the stomach. So really,
if you get a headache, should be tre in your gut.
So so I got all into these alternative forms of
medicine and ultimately found out that my loopis was brought
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on by the healthy foods that I ate every day.
I was having a fight or flight response to things
like broccoli, Oh wow, cucumbers. Why because of the pesticides.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
That's wild.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
That's why sometimes you travel to other countries and you're like,
this is amazing, Like and the stuff that we allow
here that they don't allow when you go other places
is wild.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Ye, big difference, man, I love And so does that change?
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Like everything at home for the girls, how you how
they eat because I know that's a household thing too. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It has gotten me into farming, you know, smart farming
and growing. I have a whole herb garden and I
have a vegetable garden, just because you know, for my
own health, I have to get myself. And our body
does have the ability to heal itself when we feed
it the right things and we stopped poisoning it. So
I had to get that together and then said, you know,
things aren't getting better in the world. To get it worse,
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I need my girls. We got to go back to
our roots to like what Nana used to do, growing
stuff in the backyard, and my girls to know how
to do this as well, so that they can take
care of their bodies. That's what It has changed things.
And I get on their damn nerves.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I'm chasing. I'm like, don't you.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I'm always stripping the house. He brings the junk in
and I'm like, like, I'm taking the drunk. I throw
it out.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
In my line in my lion.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
All that candy you stashed up on the fourth shelf
of the pantry, that.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Was years ago. That was years ago. Look at.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Stashed in the You should see. I've been here every day.
I come in here like determined to not do it.
And then I'm like, let me get a little snack.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Now, Mike.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
There was one episode that man, I hate to keep
on agreeing with Egypt, but there was one episode married
to Okay, So there was a closet you guys were
doing and it was in the bedroom. It's beautiful, like
this was an amazing remodel. But there was a little
corner space and by the way, that makes sense. And
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she was like, you know, if you could just move
the closet over twelve inches and then they could use
this space. And he was like, look, we don't put this.
You know, we fraged it out already, we did this.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
And I was like, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I was thinking to myself because I actually had to
move the wall for the closet in my room and
I hated having to go to my contractor and let
him know that, but I came in there. So in
my bedroom there's a fireplace right and the closet is connected,
is like right next to the bedroom, but it wasn't
even on both sides, and it was this not being symmetrical.
And I went in my bedroom a little bigger, so
I was like, I need them to move. And I
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had to move the wall.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Over and I was like, Okay, it looks cuteough y'all
put a plant there.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Wait where you going? Where you going? I wanted to
put it desk.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
He saw it like it was an opportunity to put
a desk over there, right, or put a sente over
there or something.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
But He told me how we approached when it comes
time to like, let's just say things are done, and
sometimes we do. I think I'm majority nobody's gonna stick
to the plans one hundred percent, right, I think most
clients are gonna want to change things. What is your
approach when it comes to that.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
At the end of the day, is whatever the client wants,
whatever their budget can suffice, you know what I'm saying.
So I don't care what you want to do. But
in the circumstance that you saw on TV, this one
here as a designer, so she'll she'll she'll design for
days and hours, right, But if the client has already
seen it and approved it, I can't move beyond that.
You know, no matter how great the idea is and
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what you also on TV. You know, the angle of
the camera made it look more than what it was.
It was turned into a prayer corner, put some pillows
over there, and no, no, nonna la all of that.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
But the way that clash happens a lot, right signed
with the work that you.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Have to do, Yeah, it happens.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
What happens is it looks great on paper, but then
in the physical space it's totally different, right, even once
you start building, like ooh, this looks too big or
this is smaller than we thought. Right now, if we
catch it before things start getting closed up, I'm all
for it. Let's do it again if the client approves it.
But if it's one of those circumstances where the designer
and the client just speak to each other and the
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client says, do whatever you want, and the designer then
comes to us and says, let's move it, and I'm like, okay,
whatever you want now, I'm getting paid every time you switch.
It's a change order, right, So I'm okay with it. However,
but once it becomes to where, okay, we have a
time limit and you said we have to meet that
time limit. Are you sure you definitely want to do this,
let's talk about it because it's going to cost you X,
(35:43):
Y and Z.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Go back to the table and think about it.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Call me tomorrow because a lot of it is made
right there in the moment, right and you just stirre up.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I'm just gonna sit quiet. Yes, and let's talk about
Indigo for a second. You know, Indigo Road, and I
want to discuss like the partnership with JC Penny, how
that came about, you know what we can expect because
(36:15):
I'm really excited for that. I always feel like when
I'm looking for things for the home, it's really hard
to find things that feel like me sometimes, and you know,
you're like, why is it so hard to find like
amazing home goods.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So you know, Indigo Road is our family of company,
so we had the real estate brokerage, a design firm
or virtual design as well, and then we have the
line of products as well. So this is our newer baby,
the line of products. We have the home furnishings, but
now j C. Pennies essentially wanted a capsule line that
was exclusive for j C.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Penny.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
So if you go to Indigo Road or Amazon or Wayfair,
you'll see more of this Wayfair of the whole line.
But JAC Penny is like, we want something special that's
just for us that people can only get at our store.
So we we have a capsule on what you see
when you go to JAZ Pennies you won't see nowhere else.
So that's amazing, and it's in three hundred plus stores,
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which has been a journey, but it's amazing. So you know,
we need to make a statement we talk about, Hey,
we want to see each mon. We want you all
to stay on TV. We want to you know, see
more of our faces and people like you know, like
us and young folks doing things. And well, then we
got to get out and support. And that's just the
truth of If we want more opportunities for ourselves and
for our kids as they grow up, then we have
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to put our money where our mouth is. And that's
the end of the day. The only way that we
show our power, true power, is economically. So I do
ask that everybody get out and support and it's not
going to disappoint.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
The line really is beautiful.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
I've seen it and you use it in some of
the renovations that you guys, and I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Send you something to you pick what you want off
the line. But since you said you got to do
your bedroom on social media and.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
We're into those tags on social media, I mean a
lot when you buy the product and just tag it,
or when you're watching the show and you're like, you guys,
take this out.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
Who do you agree with here?
Speaker 4 (38:04):
You know, yeah, exactly. It makes a difference in this day.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
And lastly, you know, I wanted to talk about the
new York Times article, and I saw you saying how
hard like you always are having to prove yourself and
that really upset you. And I can't blame you, Like
it's exhausting when you're doing the thing, you're having success
and then here comes.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
You know, Oh, well they only.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Breezed in and breezed out because it's TV. And so
sometimes people will think that like this isn't real. Are
they really doing this renovating, Are they really doing this designing?
Or are they coming in as a married couple and
putting on it's acting for TV and they're not really involved.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Listen, we've been very blessed. Here's what I want to say.
If everything were to come to an end today. This
doesn't end. The businesses don't end. What you see doesn't end.
It just means, oh, you're not seeing it on TV
and you're not getting the same press. And that's okay
because we're doing this for years before, right. But what's
frustrating are just when people and we see this a lot,
(39:05):
right because we have social media influencers who you just
picked up a phone and now you're an influencer without researching,
truly researching. There are folks out there that are not
the real deal. There are people out there who are
not licensed. There are folks out there who aren't don't
have a business, but they just got a break right
pick on them. But like literally, for us, it was
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just about and I don't even want to talk about
the publication or the journalists because it's really not about that.
It's just an implication of the broader issue at hand,
is that I do feel that black talent is under attack.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
We are.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
It's always going to be harder for us. We always
got to work that much harder, have to be that
much more credentialed, We always have to, you know, be
that much more professional. And it's going to be alonger
road because some folks just have to show up.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
We gotta do the work. And I've been and beyond it.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
I've been on HGTV for fifteen years and it has
been an amazing journey. But it has not been without challenges,
of course, and not necessarily of the network as much
as sometimes you know, just the public being ready for
change or being ready to see someone that doesn't look
like them doing things that they're surprised guy should be.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Doing, Like who do you think you are to have
a furniture line. Who do you think you are to
have these businesses?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Who do you think you are to have a happy
family and marriage? And it's like we're just trying to
live our best life period period.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
And I want.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
What I want is for other little black and brown
girls to grow up and boys to grow up and
say I know I can do this because I saw
them do it. But if we don't see the images
of ourselves reflected, and people don't respect the equity of
what it means to have that representation as well and
give the same opportunities and tell the true narrative narrative,
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then what it really does it keeps our community marginalized,
which is why we feel a true responsibility to show
up and be authentic and do right by people, because
if we mess up and miss staff, oh forget, it
messes it up.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
For a whole generation.
Speaker 6 (41:17):
People everybody know about it.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
If something happens, your name is online and it's different
and you're known in that way. It's funny because I
also think who writes an article and how it's presented.
I remember I had did this is so long ago,
but this publication had did an article about like my
shoe closet. I had all these shoes and I used
to love to like buy shoes. That was like the
little treat I would give myself. And the way they
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wrote the article was like, she don't own a home,
but she has shoes.
Speaker 6 (41:44):
What a waste.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
But then like literally a month later, they had a
white woman in there with her shoe closet and they
were like, Wow, she has the most envious shoe closet.
Speaker 6 (41:54):
And I was like, well, damn.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Home either.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
But the way that they presented of us right where
was it like I was some irresponsible person.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
But they'll stop on that though, why was that? Okay?
Let that marinate for me.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
It bothered me so much at the time, just like
it bothered me and there were some people who couldn't
understand why I got so upset that Mike was left
out of the press or that my picture was used
in an article that was bashing the network, And they were.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Like, why are you so upset? It's just publicity.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
I'm like, because it would have never happened to someone
that doesn't look like me. The problem is black women
are unprotected. We are we're disrespected often and violated because
it's thought that who's going to protect and we can,
you know, And so that hurts so deeply, only because
all we do is pour our heart and soul in.
But not just that, not far south.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
We're and you see it. We're in the community. We're
literally we have nonprofits.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
We're literally giving back, like we're literally with everything we're doing,
giving back when the cameras are off. So it cut
deeply because we know what it takes for us just
to show up, you know, just to be able to
have some of these opportunities.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
And we were so excited for them to come this out,
weren't we We were like, oh my god. We went
all out, like we bought lunch.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I had a makeup artist. I was like, I can't
go and set looking crazy. I'm going to be in
the newspaper, you know. We were so excited and welcoming,
Like when the journals came, we did like a big
ground of applause. And he was there for the interview
and took the photos with me. So that's why it
cut deep, because it's like you could have easily just
said something nice, said anything at all.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Right, you're right, why attack me?
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Because when I watched the show, I can clearly see
and hear like, when you guys, I can see that
y'all are very expertise in your business, know exactly what
you're talking about, and I know people who have worked
with you, so we can see that. Hopefully this Angela
Bassett thing comes down.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
That was an honor.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
It really was followed through.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
You know, you know who needs to help you with
your redesigner.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Well, not for nothing.
Speaker 5 (43:58):
It was for me.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
What did it?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
It didn't matter if I never see her again. It
was like I showed up to support the movie. And
you know, often this is a good example even like
with what you're doing, we don't know who's paying attention.
You're just doing what you love. You show up every day, Angela,
you do your shows and you're creating impact, but you
don't know how many people know who you are and
actually are fans. So I think that was a perfect
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example of how we're fanning over someone else who's created
impact in our life, like Angela bas Cigarette, Oh my god.
And then I was like, I just want to see her,
that's all. I had no idea She's gonna walk by
me and scream and run back and grab me.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
I was like, I love you and I'm like, but
you're like, well, I had just left the park car,
so it was a reminder.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
It's a reminder, that's all. I guess.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
I walked back there was like, we just did that.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
I was like, I said, boy, And meanwhile she was
pushing me, go move the car before we get a ticket.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Go the car before we get a ticket. Look, you
owe him.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
But honestly, congratulations on an amazing fourth season, you guys.
I mean, it's been fun for me to watch because,
you know, every time we talk, I'm so into watching
home renovations.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
I'm into the podcast. I'm into anybody who's in this media.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
World to see the way that you guys, I think
the way that you guys have this background already and
being able to just so eloquently speak to people when
you work with people in their homes, for them to
have cameras come in and feel comfortable, that's a big deal,
you know, for people.
Speaker 6 (45:33):
To trust you to be like, you know, you should
do this, or you should try this. That's not an
easy thing to do.
Speaker 5 (45:39):
You know.
Speaker 6 (45:39):
For years now, I've been trying to help my parents
redo their home and they will not allow it. I've
been trying my damn.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Imagine somebody tells you your child, it's like, look, i'm
gonna do this for you. I'm gonna take care of
it for you, and they won't let you. That's wild
to me because if somebody.
Speaker 5 (45:52):
Was wild, we did his mom's Yeah, well not only
that mother. You know, my mother's in a space now
where she's like, I got it. You know, I'll have
my time when you can, when you can pamper me, right,
And that's a bigger story. But I know exactly how
that feels.
Speaker 6 (46:08):
Yeah, So you're like, let me help you. So what's
on the vision board now?
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Interesting vacation. We're headed to Rome and Greece for a
couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
We need great Yeah, so I know you're still gonna
be working looking at stuff like that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
No, we're getting ready. Yesterday we were planning for collection
too for J. C. Penny.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
So we're working on that, expanding the empire and the brand,
but also ownership, you know, because that that's the thing
at the end of the day, if we talk about, hey,
we want to be able to control the narrative.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
We never want to find ourselves.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
On an unemployment line again, and we want to be
able to build legacy businesses and it's all about ownership.
Speaker 5 (46:47):
Yes, so yeah, the goal is also you know, we've
been touring around with the possibility of branching out into
the author field.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
You know, she's already author, I'm author, but coming out
with a book. Right. We've had some takes on possible movie.
We tore it around with it, saying stuff.
Speaker 5 (47:11):
I'm not just saying stuff. I'm putting out too the atmosphere.
Now I'm putting out too the.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
Atmosphere we talked about and we've had That's what I'm saying.
But you're not sued to talk about I'm putting out
to the universe. I'm putting down to the universe. You
said vision board.
Speaker 6 (47:24):
See you wanted a Michael Jackson, you got them.
Speaker 5 (47:29):
But we're doing We're working on more episodes of the podcast,
which is Marriage Money Podcast.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
Right.
Speaker 5 (47:33):
We're extending that my cologne line ovation for men, the Fragrance.
My partners and I were getting ready to extend that.
We have it available on Amazon. We're looking to branch
out with Jackson Draper Renovations as well, because you know,
a lot of folks are like, do you have anybody
in Charlotte, do you have anybody in California?
Speaker 4 (47:49):
You have it?
Speaker 5 (47:50):
So we're gonna actually Mark and I we're gonna go
to each and every one of these places to be
able to refer reputable clients, I mean reput contractors to
our clients.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Listen, quigs.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
Like that. So with regard to the show, though, make
sure you tune into You can stream our show on
HBO Max. You can get it on Discovery Plus right
literally right now, we found out we're also on row Cool.
Speaker 4 (48:15):
It's TV go, he said.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
We found out.
Speaker 5 (48:18):
We didn't know, but Wednesdays at nine, Well, the season
just yeah, that's why you can watch it on.
Speaker 6 (48:25):
It watch it, Okay, I have all those I have
HBO Max. That's how I can watch. But I was
watching it in real time.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
So all right, we'll good. We'll go back and rewatch
those episodes. If anything, you'll come up with some great
ideas when you see it. The transformations, it's always like,
d how do you do that?
Speaker 6 (48:41):
That's the big reveal. Is always it for me like
a movie theater in the basement.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
You know, you know, this was all self taught. I
didn't go to design school. It was from flipping houses.
All the houses and wanting to cut out the middleman,
and just learning design and watching YouTube videos and having
a husband that's a contractor making a lot of mistakes
on our own house. So that's why I'm what I'm
saying is like here you are on your path.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
You can do this too. Anybody listening, if this is
what you want to do, you can do it too.
Speaker 6 (49:09):
Yeah yeah, perfect. Well, thank you guys so much. I
always appreciate and love seeing you both.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
Thank you Wall
Well, what's up this way up with Angela. Yeah, let's
get into it. One of my favorite things to talk
about with my favorite couple to talk about it with.
Egypt and Mike Jackson are here with me today as
on a season four of Married to Real Estate, a
number one show on HGTV by the way, than you.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
If they love it, then you need to support it
and let folks know, yes, because there's rumors out there
right now, there's you know, TV, terrestrial television as a
whole is going through some problems where they're losing viewership
online and so many networks are losing viewership and as
(00:43):
a result, it's leaving just the audience that does not
watch YouTube and does not stay on social So the
average age of those who watch terrestrial television is a
lot higher now, it's like sixty and seventy year old.
Oh wow, that's and so as a result, the folks
that you're seeing on TV or the shows that are
staying are the ones they like.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
But you know, I feel like you guys have a
show that can span like many different age ranges too,
because I can see that happening. But you're right, because
I see like a like we know the younger generation,
they're not watching TV the same way that we did.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
They call it cut in the cord.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
The younger generations generation G They're like, we don't even
own cable, you know what I mean. Everything they do
is streaming from their phone or their laptop. So we
make a We're very intentional about getting out and making
sure we touch that audience. That's one of the reasons
we created the podcast to make sure we're not just
stuck in a box to where an only where a
(01:43):
certain age group will only focus on us, right, and
a certain demographic or a certain race, So we make
sure we reach out.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
You know what, I think is good that you guys
have this Marriage and Money podcast as well, and that
kind of also ties back into the show and supplements
what you have going on.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
There is therapy.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Yeah, it's because I was like, let's talk about some
of the things that I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
There was one episode where you were talking about Mike's
divorce and his marriage, like before you.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Go, you really watched because that one was like hidden
in we didn't even do ah, but it was like
hidden in the.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Episode no but you And that was the first time
you guys had kind of discussed like the trauma from
other relationships both of you, because each of you were like,
I don't never want to be in a relationship again
after this, I'm just going to focus on.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well it looked at the end of the day, we
all got history. When Mike and I met, he you
were work two years out of a marriage at that point,
with a small baby.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
She's my baby, she's my you know, she's our eldest.
She's my baby.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
But I was like, oh, you know, I prayed for X,
Y and Z. But it doesn't necessarily what we want
doesn't necessarily come in a pretty box with a.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Bow on it.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Sometimes we can have our laundry lists as women or
what we're looking for, but then when somebody comes in
on life maybe and I had my list of like
I don't want him to have any kids, and I
don't want him to have been married.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
And you know, just sort of this squeaky clean, boring
but excite. I'm realistic. I'm realistic.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
But the truth is all the stuff that I had
on my list, Angela, of what I thought I didn't
want turn out to be the biggest blessings in my
life and in our relationship.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I have three girls now, not.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Just the two I gave birth to the fact that
he was married before is what actually I think made
him a better man and more prepared for our marriage.
Right except for when he thought he could tell me
how to breastfeed.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
I did not. She like, i've been.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Married before, you supposed to lifting.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
She's basically saying no.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Through my experience, I would try to offer her some suggestions.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
On how to do things in a certain way because
I had been there, done that. That's all. That's all
that was you. I didn't say nothing about breastfeeding.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Listen, but no.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
But I think that was really great for you guys
to because part of on the show. I like that
you had the podcast as well, because we see the
show that's focused more. We see little glimpses of family things,
you know, throughout, but.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
We don't get to hear all of that.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
And I know, Egypt, with your background in radio and
DJ Fidel, you know, knowing that you guys have this
background as personalities too, where you also get to share
because like you said, it is therapeutic, and so I
just think it's great to have that as a way.
You know, Egypt, I don't listen I know you hate
that always, but you are such a you're such a
great radio personality and there's not a you know's you've
(04:38):
made a mark for somebody who has left that world.
You know, fourteen years ago, it's still talked about that.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I appreciate that. Yeah, you know what, and same to you. Respect,
given respect, reci thank.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You for that.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I always tell you this, you're like the road map
to like, Okay, let's get it from here to here.
Because like you're talking about how TV is different now,
but radio is different now too.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
You know, it's all an adjustment.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I have seen that. So you know what, here's what
I say.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
We got to stay flexible and you can't be a
one trick pony. I believe in branding forward, so not
just branded for where you are. For instance, you're a
business owner, you have multiple businesses yourself. You're doing very well,
right so, but I own a business is a lot
of work. You will never work more, but it's worth it,
right because at least you're waking up every day and
(05:25):
you're doing But what I'm saying is, so the efforts
that you're making today or anyone who owns a business
today shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Be for the moment. It should be where are you going.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
In five years or ten years, and literally everything you're
doing in this moment should be for that, not for
right now, because this moment changes. We have to be
able to evolve and move our business in our lives forward.
And so for me, when I was in radio, it
was shrinking. This is when they were syndicating everything. Steve
Harvey wants to getting every market in the morning, you know.
So jobs were being lost, farm few in between, person
(06:00):
city and I'm like, I stood.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
On an unemployment line one time for four hundred and
five dollars a week. Yep, I said, I will never
do this again.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
I actually have to do.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I called my dad and I was like, let me
call in and get my I tell my friends right now,
I'm like, get your unemployment. You know, you pay all
that money, like throughout you're entitled to that, like at
least that pride. Sometimes people don't want to do that,
you know, let go that pride.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
You have to, you know, because here's it speaking. Let's
speak to that point for a minute. Because a lot
of folks, especially in entertainment, you know, when they're trying
to be business owners, they think it's only the things
you see with the glitzen glam. They never want to
show the you know, the nitty gritty and the mud
those months that you don't make any money for yourself,
(06:48):
but you made money for the business, right Yeah, and
you're scared to put it out there. I think what
I love about today's market and today's influencers and talent
is that they're like, I'm gonna be me, I'm gonna
show you everything.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
That has been winning for them, you know, instead of
trying to make the pretty videos, they make the ugly
ones and they do viral, right, And we have to
get out of out of the mindset of it has
to be perfect.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
Yeah, yeah, start.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I meant losing everything and building back up. That was
a big topic for you as well, saying once you
got divorced, it was.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Kind of, you know, starting all over.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Some people also don't want to date when they're in
a space of not having it like that.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
That's where that's where I was.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
You know, this this was just divine intervention because I
was in a space, was in a space where I said,
I'd be damn if another woman tells me, oh, you're
not making enough, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I wasn't going through that. I was not going through that.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
I said, when I'm right mentally, emotionally, financially, then I'll
get back out there. And then just so happens to be,
I meet her, and then all that was out the door,
And that's.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
What I wanted.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
At first.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I was like, Okay, we can have fun for a
little while. Maybe he's not missing, right, but we go ahead,
fun for.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
A little while.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
But we were on I can't even say it was
a first date, baby, because we had pumped into each
other and so many times and then started working with
each other. But let's just say first official date. On
that first official date, we were right there on forty
third Street, right, And when was that name of that
restaurant where they serve frog legs?
Speaker 5 (08:17):
No, it put me on the five pickles and stuff
like that.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Anyway, it tastes like chicken.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yes, date date's going well, Angela, Right, dates going well.
I'm getting a little butterflies in my stomach. We had
just come from the movie. He put his arm around me,
so I saw he liked me. He was making a
move and a whole nine. So I'm feeling something for
the first time in a long time feeling something and
then he sits back across from me. He goes, all right,
I gotta tell you something. Yeah, And I said, hey,
go the bull.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
We want to tell me that, you know, you know
what are you.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Gonna tell me?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
But but the fact that he laid out his life,
no matter if it was gonna embarrass him or not,
that turned me on even more. I think I just
had never had someone so honest, right right.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, Like me said, we're all like coming with some
type of bad gas. But we also, I think, and
I'm sure men do this too. As women, we have
a list of things that we don't want until you're like, oh,
you're in a situation where you're like, okay, maybe I'm
wrong for you know, xing this out before giving it
a chance.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Well, I think when it as.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
I can't speak for every man, but I know I
was in a space where I didn't know that full
less yet right until you experienced some things you're like, oh,
I will never do that again. I know I don't
want that in my life. One of the things I
knew i'd never wanted. I could never be with someone
that smoked, okay, right, I couldn't. I know, I couldn'tgarette cigarettes.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Okay, weed is.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Okay, here's okay.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
That was fine because it's recreation, but the morning smoking, afternoon,
gotta have my pack of cigarettes, like I just couldn't
do that. So and I remember your one young female like, oh,
you're gonna miss out on a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I said, I guess I will. And that was one
for me, big pet peeve.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
But I would say, yes, some men do have a list,
and those with the level heads do have a there
wants their needs and more so about how they want
to be treated right, because overall I can tell every
man wants to be respected right and not be littled
in their relationship or judge or scrutinize and be able
to talk to their partner without feeling like, oh, she's
(10:16):
gonna think I'm sore for she's gonna she's gonna make
me feel less of a man.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Every man wants that, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I saw when he Depe did this post about being mannish,
and there was yeah, but it was a good conversation
because I think as a person for my like myself,
for instance, I'm used to handling a lot of things
myself right because I've been doing this for a long time.
I'm always like, no, don't worry, I got this. This
is how And sometimes it's hard when you're a woman
(10:45):
who's like been an entrepreneur, have been doing things to
let somebody.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
Take the wheel a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
But I want you guys to discuss that a little Okay,
yes please, he was coming for you.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And they and they should come for but they should
have also watched the entire posts and read everything that
I said to fully understand what he was trying to convey, right, Like,
we have to listen to understand instead of just to respond.
So he said to me during a very stressful point
in our marriage, he said, you know this is and
(11:17):
it came from me asking you are you happy? And
I said, babe, are you happy? At this point we've
been married for now this year fifteen years, but we've
been together twenty one year. So I think that's an
important question for everybody to ask their significant other anyway,
not do you love me?
Speaker 5 (11:32):
No?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Are you happy? Are you still happy?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So I asked him, and he paused a little too long,
and I said, okay, well let's talk about that. You know,
bring it out, don't hold it hold it in. I
want to know truly how you're feeling, and he says,
I feel that often you're coming off very mannish, and
just that that word managed at first hit me so hard.
(11:58):
I was trying to be a big girl, but the
tears started coming down my eyes because I think often
black and brown women we don't have a choice sometimes
but to live in our masculine. It's not that we
want to be there, but we feel like we have
to live in our masculine because we're up against so
much and there's no time to cry, there's no time.
(12:18):
All you got to do is girl, get up and
keep moving. And so I think I'd been in that
fight or flight all of my life and I had
never really learned what it meant to live in my
soft life. So I knew it, but to have him
verbalize that after so many years and I thought I
was doing good, I was just like wow. So then
you want to explain what you meant by it.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
So the idea of a female hearing managed, they automatically think.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
What aesthetically what strength?
Speaker 5 (12:47):
It has nothing to do with your physical attributes, right,
It's just the feeling of for a man. There's nothing
feminine feminine about certain things that you do. For instance,
something simple, babe. We can be at restaurants, sugar babe,
watch my purse and this She'll come back and push
the person back in front of me and say, watch
my purse.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
I'm like, who is going to steal this perse from me?
With me right here? I got it.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
You get what I'm saying. So this, let me close
the door, let me do what you asked me to do. Hey,
can you go do this for me? Don't come with
me to do it if you just ask me to
do it. So it's that a pattern of small things
like that over and over again becomes managed because it's
something you ask me to do as a man. Let
me be the man and do it. But if you
never allow me to get in that space, now, it's like, okay,
(13:33):
this is turn off.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And so here's the thing to point out. When you're
in a relationship, it's not.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Always gonna be loved.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
You know, you're gonna go through ebbs and flows, just
like everything else. Just like the economy.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
We're gonna it's evident.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Relationship to the economy right now.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
But the reality is when you when you see couples
that have been together thirty forty years. There's something to
learn in that. How did you stay together? Not how
did you fall in love? You can fall in love,
that's easy. How did you stay together? So in understanding,
seeking to understand where he was coming from, and he
explained that I got it because I had fallen into
(14:12):
a space where we were building. So when you're building,
there's a high level of stress. You're telling folks what
to do, where to go, You're trying to handle all
the logistics.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
And I was now again very.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
High in my masculine, not in my feminine. He understood
that it's because we were building and I was.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
In my like grind mode.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Not that I wanted to bring that home, but it's
hard to turn it on and turn it off. So
when he brought that to my attention, I recognized I
wasn't doing as good of a job as I thought
I was. And that's not about hey, dim your light
so I can shine.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
No, it's saying more so.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Let me help, let me do what you asked me
to do, let me let me take it off for you.
So you might never have said it if she didn't
ask you. If that's something you had been feeling, because
you've been feeling it for a while, and then she asked.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
You and that's when you, Oh, I've never said the
managed part.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
No, but I've said I've requested certain things several time
and time again, Yes, and that and that right there,
when you request something, you know, For instance, Joe Olstein
has said something before I was driving and I was like,
I'll try that. He was like, you know, just let
your partner do whatever you're gonna do, and eventually God
will take the course. And I was like, okay, God,
it's been about five weeks, five months, and she hasn't
(15:19):
changed these patterns. I'm about to say something, right. So,
for instance, manage could also be how you speak to
that man, right. It's not what you say, it's how
you say it.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Hey, when's the last time you took the cabbage jot?
Speaker 5 (15:31):
You need to take the god damn garbage out. Now
you done got managed for me, and now we're gonna
go at it. And when and when men throw out
the manage or it doesn't, you're not in your feminine
or you're not in your soft area.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
It's basically just saying I'm not being turned on right now.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
It's interesting because the word manages. Also, men shouldn't do
that either, you know what I'm saying, like, don't tell
like yeah, So that's what I think threw people off.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Maybe it's the word man, Yeah, but I think what
he meant again, Yeah, listening to understand what he really
meant was you have been very aggressive and bossy. That's
what he meant. Instead of recognizing your home, now take
that jacket off. You're nobody's boss around here, you know,
take that off.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Instead of asking me for things, or checking in with
me or you know, being my wife, you're coming in
here telling me what to do.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And I didn't realize it, but here I am trying
to run three companies at work and I you know,
you get home and you just forget.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
So you guys, yeah, you guys talk about evolving, and
you know, Mike, I know, even thinking about smart homes
and things like that as the wave of the future.
That's something that's important having your line of products and J. C. Penny,
I mean, I know you're here in town for that
as well, but congratulations on all of those things. And
like I said, the podcast and just expanding from being
(16:48):
on HGTV because my main thing in life is always
if this don't, I want to make sure I'm good
like I don't never want to feel like if this
contract is over, it's over for me. I want to
feel like, all right, Well, I just focus more on
this because I much john believe that if I focus
really hard on any business, it's gonna do well. When
I have the ability to just zone hone in on that.
(17:10):
Sometimes I don't have the time to do all the
things I want. You know, but the real estate company,
how is the real estate business.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Now so interesting?
Speaker 5 (17:17):
You know?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I think everybody's seeing the headlines right that there's just
so much inventory and not enough buyers again, evers and flows.
We've been here before in my time in real estate,
since I used to be on a radio New York
and have my office in fort Land, New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
We were right here in that same spot.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
This is what's going to define those who are the
pros and those who are not. You're going to see
a lot of people retire from real estate this year
just because they don't know what's going on and they
don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
How to survive in this.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It's really just about shifting. Okay, it's a buyer's market now,
So what's the name of the game, get more buyers,
market to the buyers. That's how you survive in a
seller's market. What's the name of the gang? This you last, right,
So it's just about the shift. But the key is
having multiple whose streams of income. You're correct, never put
all your eggs in one basket. So you're a licensed
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real estate agent? Are you an investor? What other businesses
do you own? Do you day trade as well? You know,
like all of these things are what help us grow wealth.
And so, yes, I was a radio personality. I was
sitting here in another studio. By the way, it was
like egg crates on the wall. It was not as
nice as this. And after I got that pink slip
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one good time, that's all it took for me to
recognize I could never be in that position again. And
I think everybody can relate to that. That is what
defines entrepreneurs for the most part. You asked most entrepreneurs
what made you start? It was the damn unemployment line
and then you just kind of it puts the hustle.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
In you, you know, So now answer her question.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Market you already know me in my mind.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
No, That's why I'm bringing you back how is the
real estate market in your opinion?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
The real estate market to me again is just in
an EBB. There will be a correction. Why interest rates
are just so high right now. And there's a lot
of uncertainty because of all of the talk and fear
mongering in the economy. Again, it's cyclical. You look at
the charts. I don't care what's happening in the press.
You look at the charts. It's doing what it has
always done historically. It's going down, then it's going to.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Come back up. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
And you know, from your point of view, Mike, when
we think about that too, because we talk about the
cost of things now of lumber, you know, for you
having your own, being able to renovate people's homes and
even finding workers as from what I'm hearing, has been challenging.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
What's it been like for you?
Speaker 5 (19:31):
So my crews have been around with me for some time,
so I haven't had issues there. However, I do know
of some companies that have lost men to DEI to immigration,
I mean ICE pulling them.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Out of it.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
To be clear where Ice too.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Sometimes people are scared even if they're here and they're
supposed to because they're rolling things programs back where people
were able to stay and did things the right way,
and they're still neglecting that. They're also saying, oh, this
doesn't count anymore. We're shutting this program down and someone's
scared there.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
So there's a lot of guys that will work in
the companies and they will still do their own thing
like stand out front in front of home depot to
get some work. Just last week in an area in
South Fulton, they literally lined up about thirty guys and
took them in, you know, so sad, which is unfortunate,
and they were real workers legally here, so they're dealing
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with that right. But with regard to lumber and things
like that, we've had seen an increase in supplies as
far as tariffs, so we have to take that in
consideration when you're doing quotes for properties or work, and
it makes a difference. However, there hasn't been a big
punch in our area. We've been we've been thriving, so
we haven't felt the impact as of yet.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
And you know, I've been watching the show because you know,
I'm always fascinated by renovations to see like what the
plan is, you know, what are they about to do,
and a lot of times as homeowners, you're making a
decision to stay within your budget. You know, am I
gonna custom paint these cabinets or am I gonna have
to neglect that so I can get the tiles I
went in my bathroom. And that's why I think it's
also really great to have people who have relationships sometimes
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even being able to get the tiles that are going
to be hard for people to get as long as
you know people who are able to pull those in
and source them.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Relationships are big in this business, big time. I mean
in that same business construction business, real estate business. Speaking
of real estate, I just saw an article where they
said that thirty percent of the African American family has
been thriving a lot more when it comes to the
purchasing of properties.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Did y'all see that?
Speaker 1 (21:29):
No?
Speaker 6 (21:30):
I did not see that.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Look it up amazing that it's amazing, and it caught
my attention. I said, Okay, that's good news in real estate.
So it's something to look out for because a lot
of people think they can't do it.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Oh no, you're right.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
It's feeling like I just can't afford it. I'm not
going to do it, so they want to.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Be try ub dedicated to helping people like make sure
they get into it.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
What would you tell me?
Speaker 1 (21:49):
There's a lot of people that are like, I want
to do some fix and flips right, But it's not
as easy as it sounds.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
So why isn't it well?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Because I think sometimes I've had people come to me
be like okay, Like they'll want to buy something and
they think that it's going to be on schedule. A
lot of times it's not, you know, just to be honest,
because with my own experiences and other peoples, a lot
of times it's not. You have to be able to
have a little bit of wiggle room, you know, for
certain things. And I also tell people like some people
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will put like their last dollars into something and not
have reserves left over because sometimes things don't happen of
cost what you think it is. You have to go
back and fix something that somebody didn't do properly, or
you rip that wall open you find that it's worse
than you thought it was. I mean, there's permit issues,
there's neighbors that you can account for that are going
to be calling the cops and delaying your project. There's
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so many things that I think factor in that. You
also have to be flexible enough to say, if things
don't happen on schedule, how can I adjust and make sure.
That's why I always like to tell people if you
don't feel like you're ready. I don't ever want anybody
to put themselves in a position where you know, it
can be extremely stressful or they could even lose a property.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I was twenty two, twenty two, twenty three years didn't
have a lot of money. I think I had about
thirty two thousand dollars in savings in the bank.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
That sounds like a lie back.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
It does sound like a lot, but not when you're
buying a house and having a renovation. You know that
money goes really fast, right. So I bought a house
multifamily in Newark, New Jersey. This was my first flip house.
Had to replace the waistline, pay was tarn the roof,
you know, doing all these things, and the money went fast.
It was definitely scary, but for what I purchased the
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house for sold I sold it for two hundred and.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Twenty five thousand.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Fit do you see like, will you gamble, will you
take a calculator risk. I mean, don't make commulated really
risk and definitely do the numbers right. Make sure the
numbers were I'm go your T shirt to say the
numbers don't work either, do I.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
But if you.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Have the formula and you have a coach and always
use the rule of three, have three quotes on everything. Therefore,
if one team fails you you can replace them and
then also never pay somebody the money.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
All of.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah, that's potentially draws are four draws.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Sometimes if you can pay directly for things like if
you can, I'll purchase this stuff from home depot that
you need, you know, that's help.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
That can be helpful too.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
But I also think for first time people doing it,
sometimes they don't have a team and you know, so
you're trying to like take referrals and find people to
do stuff. You're googling stuff, you're going you know, and
that can also be challenging too.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
But it's it's easier today because now you can go
on Facebook and look up real estate groups.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
You can look up builder groups, you can look for contractors.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
You can go in Instagram, you can go on threads
and just say hey, I'm looking for contractors. In this
area or whatever. You can do that and get referrals.
Look for groups and communities that are like minded. We
didn't have that.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
You know, you read about that, because that's the reason
I started their real estate club was to be able
to have There's people in the club that are like appraisers,
like all kinds of people in different places. So I
feel like this didn't work out. Can somebody help me
with this? There's somebody that could jump in and be like, Okay,
we got you. We're in the group together. So and
I love that.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
The name of the game now is by land.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Though you understand that there's so much money to be
made in land without even having to build on it,
without having to develop on it at all. You can
literally just buy the land and lease it to someone
else who's farming it. Buy the land and lease it
to someone else who's putting.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
A billboard on it.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Buy the land, lease it to someone that's putting a
gas station on it. You know, whatever it is, by
the land, go get these things at the auctions that
you know right now you can. You can in certain
areas use a USDA New Construction loan, which allows for
you to buy the land with zero percent down then
because you have the land, get a new construction loan
against it, and you purchased it for you know, you
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or you were able to build for literally build on
USDA land for zero right.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Yeah, those of how to get things done now, Ejit.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I also want to talk about you know, I've been
listening to the podcast, like I said, and you discussed
finding out that you had lupus and doctors not even
knowing what was wrong with you and then taking this
chip to BALI.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
I want to hear more about this chip.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Oh, this is a podcast, so you don't have to
cut me off, right.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
Well, it might not all make it on air.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
And the holistic approach, because I'm all for that too.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Write sure, I believe in working alongside doctors with holistic
things that you can also do and researching that because
I'm so big on I don't take medicine if I
don't have to have a headache. I'm figuring out, like,
what is it that I need to do to get
rid of my headache and not have to take actual,
you know, medicine, whatever it is that I can do.
So talk to me about what that experience is like.
(26:39):
Because I have to imagine that it was life change.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
So number one, to understand what lupus is. It's an
autoimmune disease. Many things can trigger it. Some people are
literally born with it and it lies dormant in their
body but comes out in the most stressful of times.
I didn't find out I had lupus until I was
in my forties, which I still am, by the way,
so don't get start. But but no, I had Harper
(27:02):
and I was always sick. I would literally just wake
up in the middle of the night and feel like
I couldn't breathe, my neck was inflamed, or my stomach
was all of a sudden blown out to here, and
I had rashes on my back or on my face,
and I'm like, Mike, I must have had an allergic
reaction to something. He would almost on a weekly basis,
rush me to the hospital, but they could never find anything.
(27:24):
You know, And that's the thing, is that you'll have
a trigger and it'll you'll have a response, and you'll
have this huge lupus moment or outbreak, and then all
of a sudden, two days later, be fine. You'll have
days where you wake up I will have days where
I wake up and I'm like, I just can't move today,
I'm in so much pain. Everything hurts, and then days
where I feel like I could take on the world,
and that is really it's a rollercoaster of a life
(27:47):
for your health. But lupus and what that does to
your body, it causes inflammation as a whole, causes so
many things to go wrong, you know, throughout So I
felt like I was on high alert, just read alert
all the time. He'll tell you, I have to watch
what I eat, strip everything down. And it has been
a very difficult time. But I feel like I don't.
(28:10):
They feel like like I really rose to it with
alternative forms of medicine, which.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
We don't come a long way, very long way.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
We don't learn about it hearing.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
I agree, But just as vigorous as we are about
chasing wealth and chasing joy, we have to be about
chasing answers for our own health, right, if not for us,
for our kids, for you know, for our parents, whomever.
So I started learning about alternative forms of medicine and
alternative types of doctors, functional medicine doctors. That's something you
don't hear too much. Have you heard that a functional
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medicine So when you get sick, Let's say you think
it's your heart, you go to a cardiologist. If it's
your stomach, you go to a gi you know, specialist,
but who sits down and evaluates everything and how the
entire body is functioning together. Have you ever said, like,
I just wish I could get all five of my
doctors together to talk.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Time.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah. So what a functional medicine doctor does is they
look at the whole body, the meridians in your body,
and they have things like alpha thermography that look at
disturbances in the body as well. They'll read, you know,
read your.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Body with herbs, and you know, bottom line is find
a functional medicine doctor. So we traveled to Bali. It
was really like a spiritual quest as well. But I
went to I wanted to see this doctor that I
was told about there. Her name was doctor Bobby. You
say something, This lady's like in her nineties and she
could run faster.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Than all of us put together.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
I believe that, And can you faster than call?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Right?
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Right?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
But she I laid down in her hut literally we
had to go. We were out in the middle, I
don't know what, and we laid down and she's she's
like a medical medium, and she read my entire body.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
She told me what was going on.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Mike was sitting there like this is insane that she
knows this much about you and you have not said anything.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
You just laid her table. So she found a doctor
for me back home. I've been going to that.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
But then I also learned about a few things. There's
a machine that I have I invested in called the
Charin and it reads the bodies light and frequency. We've
been learning how you've been seeing this all over social
media about frequency healing, vibrational healing, that it's killing things
like cancer and what have you. But this knowledge, this
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technology has been known on other parts of the world already.
I got this machine from Denmark, you know. And so
you sit down and read your circulatory system, your respiratory system.
It reads everything together and it literally will tell you, hey,
tooth T fifteen, you know, has a problem, and that's
why you're experiencing the issue in your ankle.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
You know it's connected to the meridian two T three.
Now it's why you have the headache that runs down
in the middle of your head. Do you see what
I mean here? We treat the symptom. If we get
a headache, we take an aspirin, not knowing that the
head is connected to the gut by the stomach. So really,
if you get a headache, should be tre in your gut.
So so I got all into these alternative forms of
medicine and ultimately found out that my loopis was brought
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on by the healthy foods that I ate every day.
I was having a fight or flight response to things
like broccoli, Oh wow, cucumbers. Why because of the pesticides.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
That's wild.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
That's why sometimes you travel to other countries and you're like,
this is amazing, Like and the stuff that we allow
here that they don't allow when you go other places
is wild.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Ye, big difference, man, I love And so does that change?
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Like everything at home for the girls, how you how
they eat because I know that's a household thing too. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It has gotten me into farming, you know, smart farming
and growing. I have a whole herb garden and I
have a vegetable garden, just because you know, for my
own health, I have to get myself. And our body
does have the ability to heal itself when we feed
it the right things and we stopped poisoning it. So
I had to get that together and then said, you know,
things aren't getting better in the world. To get it worse,
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I need my girls. We got to go back to
our roots to like what Nana used to do, growing
stuff in the backyard, and my girls to know how
to do this as well, so that they can take
care of their bodies. That's what It has changed things.
And I get on their damn nerves.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I'm chasing. I'm like, don't you.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I'm always stripping the house. He brings the junk in
and I'm like, like, I'm taking the drunk. I throw
it out.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
In my line in my lion.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
All that candy you stashed up on the fourth shelf
of the pantry, that.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Was years ago. That was years ago. Look at.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Stashed in the You should see. I've been here every day.
I come in here like determined to not do it.
And then I'm like, let me get a little snack.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Now, Mike.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
There was one episode that man, I hate to keep
on agreeing with Egypt, but there was one episode married
to Okay, So there was a closet you guys were
doing and it was in the bedroom. It's beautiful, like
this was an amazing remodel. But there was a little
corner space and by the way, that makes sense. And
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she was like, you know, if you could just move
the closet over twelve inches and then they could use
this space. And he was like, look, we don't put this.
You know, we fraged it out already, we did this.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
And I was like, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I was thinking to myself because I actually had to
move the wall for the closet in my room and
I hated having to go to my contractor and let
him know that, but I came in there. So in
my bedroom there's a fireplace right and the closet is connected,
is like right next to the bedroom, but it wasn't
even on both sides, and it was this not being symmetrical.
And I went in my bedroom a little bigger, so
I was like, I need them to move. And I
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had to move the wall.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Over and I was like, Okay, it looks cuteough y'all
put a plant there.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Wait where you going? Where you going? I wanted to
put it desk.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
He saw it like it was an opportunity to put
a desk over there, right, or put a sente over
there or something.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
But He told me how we approached when it comes
time to like, let's just say things are done, and
sometimes we do. I think I'm majority nobody's gonna stick
to the plans one hundred percent, right, I think most
clients are gonna want to change things. What is your
approach when it comes to that.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
At the end of the day, is whatever the client wants,
whatever their budget can suffice, you know what I'm saying.
So I don't care what you want to do. But
in the circumstance that you saw on TV, this one
here as a designer, so she'll she'll she'll design for
days and hours, right, But if the client has already
seen it and approved it, I can't move beyond that.
You know, no matter how great the idea is and
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what you also on TV. You know, the angle of
the camera made it look more than what it was.
It was turned into a prayer corner, put some pillows
over there, and no, no, nonna la all of that.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
But the way that clash happens a lot, right signed
with the work that you.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Have to do, Yeah, it happens.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
What happens is it looks great on paper, but then
in the physical space it's totally different, right, even once
you start building, like ooh, this looks too big or
this is smaller than we thought. Right now, if we
catch it before things start getting closed up, I'm all
for it. Let's do it again if the client approves it.
But if it's one of those circumstances where the designer
and the client just speak to each other and the
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client says, do whatever you want, and the designer then
comes to us and says, let's move it, and I'm like, okay,
whatever you want now, I'm getting paid every time you switch.
It's a change order, right, So I'm okay with it. However,
but once it becomes to where, okay, we have a
time limit and you said we have to meet that
time limit. Are you sure you definitely want to do this,
let's talk about it because it's going to cost you X,
(35:43):
Y and Z.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Go back to the table and think about it.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Call me tomorrow because a lot of it is made
right there in the moment, right and you just stirre up.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I'm just gonna sit quiet. Yes, and let's talk about
Indigo for a second. You know, Indigo Road, and I
want to discuss like the partnership with JC Penny, how
that came about, you know what we can expect because
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I'm really excited for that. I always feel like when
I'm looking for things for the home, it's really hard
to find things that feel like me sometimes, and you know,
you're like, why is it so hard to find like
amazing home goods.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So you know, Indigo Road is our family of company,
so we had the real estate brokerage, a design firm
or virtual design as well, and then we have the
line of products as well. So this is our newer baby,
the line of products. We have the home furnishings, but
now j C. Pennies essentially wanted a capsule line that
was exclusive for j C.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Penny.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
So if you go to Indigo Road or Amazon or Wayfair,
you'll see more of this Wayfair of the whole line.
But JAC Penny is like, we want something special that's
just for us that people can only get at our store.
So we we have a capsule on what you see
when you go to JAZ Pennies you won't see nowhere else.
So that's amazing, and it's in three hundred plus stores,
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which has been a journey, but it's amazing. So you know,
we need to make a statement we talk about, Hey,
we want to see each mon. We want you all
to stay on TV. We want to you know, see
more of our faces and people like you know, like
us and young folks doing things. And well, then we
got to get out and support. And that's just the
truth of If we want more opportunities for ourselves and
for our kids as they grow up, then we have
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to put our money where our mouth is. And that's
the end of the day. The only way that we
show our power, true power, is economically. So I do
ask that everybody get out and support and it's not
going to disappoint.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
The line really is beautiful.
Speaker 6 (37:44):
I've seen it and you use it in some of
the renovations that you guys, and I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Send you something to you pick what you want off
the line. But since you said you got to do
your bedroom on social media and.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
We're into those tags on social media, I mean a
lot when you buy the product and just tag it,
or when you're watching the show and you're like, you guys,
take this out.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
Who do you agree with here?
Speaker 4 (38:04):
You know, yeah, exactly. It makes a difference in this day.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
And lastly, you know, I wanted to talk about the
new York Times article, and I saw you saying how
hard like you always are having to prove yourself and
that really upset you. And I can't blame you, Like
it's exhausting when you're doing the thing, you're having success
and then here comes.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
You know, Oh, well they only.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Breezed in and breezed out because it's TV. And so
sometimes people will think that like this isn't real. Are
they really doing this renovating, Are they really doing this designing?
Or are they coming in as a married couple and
putting on it's acting for TV and they're not really involved.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Listen, we've been very blessed. Here's what I want to say.
If everything were to come to an end today. This
doesn't end. The businesses don't end. What you see doesn't end.
It just means, oh, you're not seeing it on TV
and you're not getting the same press. And that's okay
because we're doing this for years before, right. But what's
frustrating are just when people and we see this a lot,
(39:05):
right because we have social media influencers who you just
picked up a phone and now you're an influencer without researching,
truly researching. There are folks out there that are not
the real deal. There are people out there who are
not licensed. There are folks out there who aren't don't
have a business, but they just got a break right
pick on them. But like literally, for us, it was
(39:29):
just about and I don't even want to talk about
the publication or the journalists because it's really not about that.
It's just an implication of the broader issue at hand,
is that I do feel that black talent is under attack.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
We are.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
It's always going to be harder for us. We always
got to work that much harder, have to be that
much more credentialed, We always have to, you know, be
that much more professional. And it's going to be alonger
road because some folks just have to show up.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
We gotta do the work. And I've been and beyond it.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
I've been on HGTV for fifteen years and it has
been an amazing journey. But it has not been without challenges,
of course, and not necessarily of the network as much
as sometimes you know, just the public being ready for
change or being ready to see someone that doesn't look
like them doing things that they're surprised guy should be.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Doing, Like who do you think you are to have
a furniture line. Who do you think you are to
have these businesses?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Who do you think you are to have a happy
family and marriage? And it's like we're just trying to
live our best life period period.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
And I want.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
What I want is for other little black and brown
girls to grow up and boys to grow up and
say I know I can do this because I saw
them do it. But if we don't see the images
of ourselves reflected, and people don't respect the equity of
what it means to have that representation as well and
give the same opportunities and tell the true narrative narrative,
(41:02):
then what it really does it keeps our community marginalized,
which is why we feel a true responsibility to show
up and be authentic and do right by people, because
if we mess up and miss staff, oh forget, it
messes it up.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
For a whole generation.
Speaker 6 (41:17):
People everybody know about it.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
If something happens, your name is online and it's different
and you're known in that way. It's funny because I
also think who writes an article and how it's presented.
I remember I had did this is so long ago,
but this publication had did an article about like my
shoe closet. I had all these shoes and I used
to love to like buy shoes. That was like the
little treat I would give myself. And the way they
(41:40):
wrote the article was like, she don't own a home,
but she has shoes.
Speaker 6 (41:44):
What a waste.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
But then like literally a month later, they had a
white woman in there with her shoe closet and they
were like, Wow, she has the most envious shoe closet.
Speaker 6 (41:54):
And I was like, well, damn.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Home either.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
But the way that they presented of us right where
was it like I was some irresponsible person.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
But they'll stop on that though, why was that? Okay?
Let that marinate for me.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
It bothered me so much at the time, just like
it bothered me and there were some people who couldn't
understand why I got so upset that Mike was left
out of the press or that my picture was used
in an article that was bashing the network, And they were.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Like, why are you so upset? It's just publicity.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
I'm like, because it would have never happened to someone
that doesn't look like me. The problem is black women
are unprotected. We are we're disrespected often and violated because
it's thought that who's going to protect and we can,
you know, And so that hurts so deeply, only because
all we do is pour our heart and soul in.
But not just that, not far south.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
We're and you see it. We're in the community. We're
literally we have nonprofits.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
We're literally giving back, like we're literally with everything we're doing,
giving back when the cameras are off. So it cut
deeply because we know what it takes for us just
to show up, you know, just to be able to
have some of these opportunities.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
And we were so excited for them to come this out,
weren't we We were like, oh my god. We went
all out, like we bought lunch.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I had a makeup artist. I was like, I can't
go and set looking crazy. I'm going to be in
the newspaper, you know. We were so excited and welcoming,
Like when the journals came, we did like a big
ground of applause. And he was there for the interview
and took the photos with me. So that's why it
cut deep, because it's like you could have easily just
said something nice, said anything at all.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Right, you're right, why attack me?
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Because when I watched the show, I can clearly see
and hear like, when you guys, I can see that
y'all are very expertise in your business, know exactly what
you're talking about, and I know people who have worked
with you, so we can see that. Hopefully this Angela
Bassett thing comes down.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
That was an honor.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
It really was followed through.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
You know, you know who needs to help you with
your redesigner.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Well, not for nothing.
Speaker 5 (43:58):
It was for me.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
What did it?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
It didn't matter if I never see her again. It
was like I showed up to support the movie. And
you know, often this is a good example even like
with what you're doing, we don't know who's paying attention.
You're just doing what you love. You show up every day, Angela,
you do your shows and you're creating impact, but you
don't know how many people know who you are and
actually are fans. So I think that was a perfect
(44:22):
example of how we're fanning over someone else who's created
impact in our life, like Angela bas Cigarette, Oh my god.
And then I was like, I just want to see her,
that's all. I had no idea She's gonna walk by
me and scream and run back and grab me.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
I was like, I love you and I'm like, but
you're like, well, I had just left the park car,
so it was a reminder.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
It's a reminder, that's all. I guess.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
I walked back there was like, we just did that.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
I was like, I said, boy, And meanwhile she was
pushing me, go move the car before we get a ticket.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Go the car before we get a ticket. Look, you
owe him.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
But honestly, congratulations on an amazing fourth season, you guys.
I mean, it's been fun for me to watch because,
you know, every time we talk, I'm so into watching
home renovations.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
I'm into the podcast. I'm into anybody who's in this media.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
World to see the way that you guys, I think
the way that you guys have this background already and
being able to just so eloquently speak to people when
you work with people in their homes, for them to
have cameras come in and feel comfortable, that's a big deal,
you know, for people.
Speaker 6 (45:33):
To trust you to be like, you know, you should
do this, or you should try this. That's not an
easy thing to do.
Speaker 5 (45:39):
You know.
Speaker 6 (45:39):
For years now, I've been trying to help my parents
redo their home and they will not allow it. I've
been trying my damn.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Imagine somebody tells you your child, it's like, look, i'm
gonna do this for you. I'm gonna take care of
it for you, and they won't let you. That's wild
to me because if somebody.
Speaker 5 (45:52):
Was wild, we did his mom's Yeah, well not only
that mother. You know, my mother's in a space now
where she's like, I got it. You know, I'll have
my time when you can, when you can pamper me, right,
And that's a bigger story. But I know exactly how
that feels.
Speaker 6 (46:08):
Yeah, So you're like, let me help you. So what's
on the vision board now?
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Interesting vacation. We're headed to Rome and Greece for a
couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
We need great Yeah, so I know you're still gonna
be working looking at stuff like that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
No, we're getting ready. Yesterday we were planning for collection
too for J. C. Penny.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
So we're working on that, expanding the empire and the brand,
but also ownership, you know, because that that's the thing
at the end of the day, if we talk about, hey,
we want to be able to control the narrative.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
We never want to find ourselves.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
On an unemployment line again, and we want to be
able to build legacy businesses and it's all about ownership.
Speaker 5 (46:47):
Yes, so yeah, the goal is also you know, we've
been touring around with the possibility of branching out into
the author field.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
You know, she's already author, I'm author, but coming out
with a book. Right. We've had some takes on possible movie.
We tore it around with it, saying stuff.
Speaker 5 (47:11):
I'm not just saying stuff. I'm putting out too the atmosphere.
Now I'm putting out too the.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
Atmosphere we talked about and we've had That's what I'm saying.
But you're not sued to talk about I'm putting out
to the universe. I'm putting down to the universe. You
said vision board.
Speaker 6 (47:24):
See you wanted a Michael Jackson, you got them.
Speaker 5 (47:29):
But we're doing We're working on more episodes of the podcast,
which is Marriage Money Podcast.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
Right.
Speaker 5 (47:33):
We're extending that my cologne line ovation for men, the Fragrance.
My partners and I were getting ready to extend that.
We have it available on Amazon. We're looking to branch
out with Jackson Draper Renovations as well, because you know,
a lot of folks are like, do you have anybody
in Charlotte, do you have anybody in California?
Speaker 4 (47:49):
You have it?
Speaker 5 (47:50):
So we're gonna actually Mark and I we're gonna go
to each and every one of these places to be
able to refer reputable clients, I mean reput contractors to
our clients.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Listen, quigs.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
Like that. So with regard to the show, though, make
sure you tune into You can stream our show on
HBO Max. You can get it on Discovery Plus right
literally right now, we found out we're also on row Cool.
Speaker 4 (48:15):
It's TV go, he said.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
We found out.
Speaker 5 (48:18):
We didn't know, but Wednesdays at nine, Well, the season
just yeah, that's why you can watch it on.
Speaker 6 (48:25):
It watch it, Okay, I have all those I have
HBO Max. That's how I can watch. But I was
watching it in real time.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
So all right, we'll good. We'll go back and rewatch
those episodes. If anything, you'll come up with some great
ideas when you see it. The transformations, it's always like,
d how do you do that?
Speaker 6 (48:41):
That's the big reveal. Is always it for me like
a movie theater in the basement.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
You know, you know, this was all self taught. I
didn't go to design school. It was from flipping houses.
All the houses and wanting to cut out the middleman,
and just learning design and watching YouTube videos and having
a husband that's a contractor making a lot of mistakes
on our own house. So that's why I'm what I'm
saying is like here you are on your path.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
You can do this too. Anybody listening, if this is
what you want to do, you can do it too.
Speaker 6 (49:09):
Yeah yeah, perfect. Well, thank you guys so much. I
always appreciate and love seeing you both.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
Thank you Wall
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