Andra Day Talks ‘The Deliverance,’ Role Commitment, 10-Year Abstinence, $1B NFL Fine Rumors + More
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's up. It's way up at Angela Yee. I feel
like we did the interviewer.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Rady, I just know, I know we gave it away.
Y'all have to get the BTS.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
We had a whole conversation because Keith Sweat was just here. Yes,
and you sample him on your album? I did, Cassandra, Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I was so excited. I was excited to hear he
was here. And he was like, do you want to
meet him? I said yes, literally, he said yes to
the sample. I sampled it on a song called about
it on my album Yes, and so I'm actually singing it.
But it was one of my favorite songs growing up, Twisted.
It was like full circle moment.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
And you probably didn't even know what it was about.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
But because I was an.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Eleged day by the way they started talking, I'm sorry
and day is here.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I'm so happy to be here. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
But yeah, Twisted singing that as a kid, you didn't
know what that.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
No.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I was elementary school walking home. I was saying, I
walk home and I was stopped by this man who
lived by himself and he would give candy out to kids.
And it's really dark house with bushes and all this
stuff around it. Yeah, thank god I'm still here delivery. Yeah, exactly.
So it was full circle, you know what I mean.
But I'll be singing twisted eating fireballs all the way home,
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not knowing what I was singing.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
And then I grew up and I was like, damn, okay.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Waitted my life for some candy. But they know, kids
love candy. But honestly, like, I'm so glad to hear
I definitely Western United States versus Billy Holliday. You did
such a fun I didn't realize that was your first
like starring role. Yeah, first acting role acting her period
and a movie. The way that you killed that role,
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It was so amazing, Like, and I didn't really know
Billy Holliday's full story.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I love hearing stuff like that, right, I think that
she she that was the Well, first of all, I
didn't want to do it because I'm not an actor,
and I was like, y'all should just go find somebody
who you know could act. But I took the meeting
with Lee because I was like, well, you know, maybe
he'll wants some music in the movie.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
It'll be a good meeting bowl book, but then we
fell in love.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
And what I really fell in love with is that
he was such a huge fan of Lady Sings the
Blues and then so he never realized that he didn't
know Billy's full story either, And I was such a
big fan of her, so like, I recognize her as
like this sort of godmother of like the neo civil
rights movement.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
You know, like mm hm.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
So that was one of the big things for me
that I was like, I was scared to do it,
but it did matter to me that her legacy was
vindicated because like the fact that we only really know
her as a jazz singer and a drug addict is
part of the design, you know what I mean. So
it was really important that she should be looked at
when we have conversations about id B Wells and Angela
Davis and you know what I'm saying, Asada Billy should
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be mentioned in those conversations, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
So that was definitely why I wanted to do it.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
And you're the perfect person when you think about how
music actually affects movements so much, and it is part
of civil rights move even if you think back to
the days of slavery when music was so important. Yes,
you know, on the plantations for many different reasons, and
you've had you know, like this song rise up parents
of that. But you could compare that cause that really
(03:02):
was like a song that symbolized the movement.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, yeah, no, it became and I had listen. I
the song actually wasn't even supposed to be on the
first album.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
It wasn't. It was like a way late addition to
the album.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
And they were like, the label brought me and they
were like, we wanna play you something you know that
we think you should add to the album. And I
was like no, and they were like you wrote it,
and I said, okay, well let me listen real quick.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
But so we listened to it and it it kind
of sucked the air out of the room, like as
it does, you know sometimes, and we just knew.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I had no idea would be.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It was adopted by Black Lives Matter movement, you know,
and a lot of different movements of people who are
just sort of fighting for freedom and need you need,
you know, you need the strength, you need those things
that help you keep your arms up, you know. I
told people though. The difference is, though I can acknowledge
what it feels like and what it means to have
a song that becomes like an anthem of like a movement,
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you know, and a and a generation of people. What
I don't, what I'm not too familiar with, is like
that every time I sing that song, somebody might try
to kill me for it.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
And that's the difference that is definitely at the time,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And so you know, so while I acknowledge that I'm
able to sing this song because.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
She sang that at that time, you know, strange fruit.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah, So grateful for.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
That, Yeah, because who would think they would tell somebody
not to perform?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
You know that, I really did not know all of.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
That, And it's great to be able to see some
of these documentaries like a Sam Cook or just to
see what people went through when a lot of times
you weren't able to have a voice, and where honestly
should be so grateful to be in a time where
things are not at all perfect.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I just watched Donald Trump girl right now.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I'm like, look at where we're going, but Portugal, where
we're going out the cause.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
But I kind of was when I was watching that,
I kind of was like I'm glad he did that
because it did make you be like, Okay, now this
is ridiculous, But I don't see how ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
This is, right exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Like that's the thing I'm like, what is it that
he he has to do or say to people to
be like, yo, this is narcissism, you guys, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
And man correct information, like to just say anything.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And to have no like he's I think he's aware
of the fact that he doesn't even have to tell
the truth.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
He doesn't because he knows.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
He just does inflammatory things and his base will eat
it up, you know. And that's the thing I'm like,
And that's the sad part. You won't go fact check,
you won't go do all those things because it's like,
all I need to do is that's propaganda.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
I just need to muddy the water with all.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
He'll say it.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I say it enough times people will think it's true.
It don't matter literally what it is. But yeah, so
just thinking about all of those things, now, let's get
to some fun, fun conversations.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I had to give you your flowers though, for.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Playing that Billie Holliday role and for killing it and
working with Lee Daniels, and clearly he sees what a
great job you did because here you are starring in
the Deliverance.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
With this cast is crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Oh my that is in it. Monique is in it.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Anjiana Ellis is in it like you had. Oh Glenn close,
let's talk about that.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Oh my god, you know, my god, her transformation.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Like, first of all, I tell people, like, it's not
lost on me that Lee trusted me with this cast
of people, you know what I mean, because these are
people that I'm like, those are my inspirations. When I'm
doing Billie, I'm like, Okay, I gotta try and tap
what at least a little bit of what Mo did
in you know, Precious for all of her stuff. You
know what Glenn did? What Anjanu did? You know, Mike Gap,
(06:21):
same thing? Even my children, you know who play my
kids like they're incredible. So it just was really and
the fact that he believed in me again, you know
what I mean, and just but it's also I tell people,
I said, Lee don't give himself enough credit in this position,
because you know, he's a great casting director. His sister's
one of the best casting directors in the business as well.
(06:42):
But he Also, I'm like, Lee, you are a He
is one of the best directors we've ever had. And
so I was like, while, he picks amazing actors and
he relies on them and he loves what they do.
He's such a good director, Like he could make you
believe this unicorn right here is a real live stallion,
you know what I mean, Like you just he can
pull a performance out of a rock and I just
(07:03):
feel like, so, I feel very grateful to be in
his family of performers, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And you delivered on the delivery, I have to say,
because I was waiting to hear you. I had a
chance to watch it in advance, you know, and it
definitely had the whole thing across the like, do not
you know, say anything about it, do not review whatever
Netflix sends you.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I'm like, so I'm at the end, right.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I was like, don't tell to end. But it is
a horror movie, which is my favorite genre. Everybody who
knows me knows that. But it's also based on a
true story.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Yes it is.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
We had a whole conversation, We've had a couple of
conversations based on that without me giving things away, But
we talked about on the show. A lot of people
called in when I was like, have you ever had
any interactions with the spirit or felt like something like
that happened? Now, I got to ask you because you
film this, and sometimes I always wonder what it's like
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to film something like this because it could make you
feel like you're opening the door.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, for sure depth something.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
So that's actually such a good question because I think
what people will find. But again too, so I'm a believer,
you know what I'm saying. So that's I really have
to go into everything I do with intentions. So I
think when I first I, okay, I'll say like this,
going into the movie, I thought that's what it was
gonna be. I thought, I'm opening the door to a
bunch of stuff that's gonna kind of, you know, just
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like upset myself and my family and all these things.
And I'm like, am I letting these spirits in? Am
I letting this you know, stuff in? And so at
first I was kind of like, I don't think I
should really do this. I don't think I should really.
But then I was praying and I was praying about it,
and I for me personally, I could really hear God
clearly tell me that, like, these are not things. When
I say, like, you know, perfect love casts out all fear,
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I mean that, like you know what I mean. And
it was like understanding that. You got to understand you
have authority over these things. These things are under your foot.
So it's like you have to be this if you
gonna be light. Light needs to illuminate dark places, you
know what I mean. In these stories show victory. And
he was reminding me, even though I didn't know which
way they were gonna go with the story, was reminded
me it would be victory in this place. So it
was really crazy because from my experience on set, it
(09:11):
was actually a lot of light. It was a lot
of light, a lot of love, a lot of community,
sisterhood with these incredible women on set. Like you know,
I did have like sometimes a little bit weird dreams,
you know, like.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
How could you not?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, no, for sure, because you know what I mean,
like the material, I wasn't in it, even reading the material,
reading on this stuff. But you know, we were praying,
and I'm one of them, like I'm really like, y'all,
let's pray before we each scene and be like I'm
not playing like everything.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
And it's funny because Lee I love him so much.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
He would allow me to like the space to be
like cool and he would do it as well too.
And then sometime if I'm in my head, He'll remind
me Andre we're gonna pray, so we would grab hands.
We made sure we prayed because he had intention too,
because his intention was like, yes, I want to scare people,
Yes I want to make a horror movie, but I
want people to encounter God.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I want people to know that, like, no matter how
deep your generational trauma is, you can be healed.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
And we should be healed. So it's definitely based on
a true story. The woman's name that the story is
based on originally I play Ebony Jackson, but her name
was LaToya Ammon's okay, and it was based actually in Gary, Indiana.
So there are a lot of differences, you know what
I mean, Like.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Wants based on a two story, it's not.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
So I think like even if you go look at
her story, it won't fully give away the movie because
Lee really wanted it to be based off of it
inspired by it, but to be their own kind of
characters and their own stories.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
So it's it.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Will have you on the edge of your because you
know it starts up the setting.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I'm like waiting for something, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
The anticipation is also what gets me all the time,
and like knowing that something's gonna happen, and then you're like,
come on, you don't see these flies.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Right because and the plus the drama, the family drama,
be so deep into it and then they'll hit you
with something crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
You'll be like, wait a minute, hold long.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But you know what, like your character in there, just
the mother's love that she has for her kids, but
how difficult it is, like being a single mom raising
three children and not always doing the best that you can.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Your own escapes at times. Yes, that's a real thing.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yes for people to have to watch that, and it's like,
I'm like, I just want her to do better.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
And you know, and you know it.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
First of all, I love that you clocked that because
that's what she wants, you know what I mean. But
she's trying to do the best she can do, or
thinking she's doing the best she can do with all
these unhealed, open gaping wounds, you know what I'm saying,
Like she bleeding now and trying to poor and poor
important to her kids as much as she can. And
so I know that was an important thing for Lee
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and for all of us on set, was the idea
that it's like, you know, a she's fighting for her kids,
like with the government obviously, you know, trying to take
her kids because they believe she's being abusive where she's
not a fit mother.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And imagine, how do you explain that my kids got
you know.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, because of course, like if you a social work
and somebody like, well my kids got bruises, well it's demons,
not me.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
You're gonna look at them.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
So she's crazy, take the care right now.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
And that was and that was her goal and in
that true story, that was really the social worker's goal.
And so I think that, like, but there is also
this this underlying aspect of like believe black women. You
know what I'm saying, believe women believe women of color
like believe because society has kind of made this culture
where we just don't you know what I'm saying, We
either don't believe or we don't care enough to you.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Know, we don't support we don't support, like how did
we figure out how to help?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
But you're not allowed to be humanhero.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
But there's even a point where someone does try to
help and she's like exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
So that's what I What I love about her story
is that, And what I loved about like playing her
is I'm like, she really does want to be the
best mother she she can be, you know what I mean.
And that's why I love the metaphor. There's the physical
fight with the demons, but there's also Ebenie's real struggle
of trying to She don't even know that she needs
to heal from this was amused, you know what I mean, physically, sexually,
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Her mother was on drugs and so now her mother
lives in that house with her, and they're trying to
like single mom, raise these kids with your mom, and
you're faced with the seat of your trauma every single day.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
She's halfway, Yes, she half way.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Her mother is Glenn close.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And so there's also this identity you know, black Man's
period and.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
That and always and is and is like dressed and.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
It's just is in the culture, you know what I'm saying,
quote unquote, So it's like Ebane's trying to like be
like you don't really actually know you my mom. You
don't have to deal with the same things that I
necessarily have to deal.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Because you're a white woman like me.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
And that was one of the things in the beginning
we laughed at.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
So I'll tell you there's one deleted line, like we
didn't end up using it, like I probably couldn't deliver it, right,
But there's one deleted line from the movie where, well,
I'm not going to give away it's a very very
heavy scene in the movie and Ebanie literally says to
Mama Alberta, that's Glenn's character.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
She was like, who what kind of white woman named
their daughter Ebony? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, it was like you had to go for the
most blackest name you could think of. Like, so it's
just you. There's all those different clashes in there. The
kids are in the middle of it, you know. But
but I love What I love about this movie is
you get to see you get to see a fully
realized black women work through these struggles and like, you know,
there is there is a moment where you get to
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cheer for her and you're very happy for her.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
You know what I'm saying she has some wins and
you can see her doing like as much as she
can with the little that she.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Has exactly you know what I mean? For sure? Yes,
you know so glad.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
But it's still the damn Hire movie though we're talking
about all this other stuff, but you're still going.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
To be like and there's still the Lee Daniels element.
It's gonna be some family drama in there. So yeah, Now.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Let me ask you, if somebody came to you and
told you he had these demons this, would you believe that?
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I don't put let me tell you when you talk
about experiences you've had, so it wasn't on the set
of the movie. My friend used to have these experiences
all the time and I would hear about it and
I couldn't understand it necessarily, but I believed her because
I do believe in the spirit world, you know what
I mean. But I finally had my own experience where
I was like on my bed and I was awake,
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but it was like this weird state and I could
just feel this like it's funny because I was awake
and it's like I saw it in the corner. It
was just this entity. It was this dark, dark entity.
It was hard to really make out exactly what it was,
but it was just this dark entity. And then I
tried to get it up and then it kind of
moves over and is like holding me down. And I
think a lot of people, if you.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Ask, you can't get up.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, a lot of people have that experience, and they'll
call let's say, like sleep, pararalysis, all these things blah
blah blah. But like it talks about it in scripture,
you know what I mean. So my thing is I
don't try to move and be like, oh, it doesn't exist.
I said it does, but I don't have to be
afraid of it, you know what I'm saying. And that's
what I wanted to be a part of showing in
this movie, like you can overcome it, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Oh, I love it. I can't wait for people to
see this. I do because you know what, because there's
so many two stories. And even when I was young,
I had this conversation like the Assists that was like
the first horror movie I saw, and I should not
have been watching that as a kid, and I watched
it by myself.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
With my first horror movie, that I saw.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Oh, no wonder, but she was scarred early. You built different.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
But I used to watch like all the Nightmare on
Elm Streets, like all the Stephen King movies that.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
And like I used to read rol Stein as a
kid too, a Christopher Pike and all them A little skilled.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yes, and you know how all of that so and
Kujo like all of those.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I love that. Wait, this is the next time we
got to do a little never carry. Yeah, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
So I used to love stuff like that as a kid.
But I will say a lot of it. Even Texas
changed to a massacre that's based on a true story,
and I know it's not like a complete true story,
but there's a lot of things that are unexplained in
this world that you I think that how could you
not believe that there's spirits good and bad?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
And I try to welcome the good wins.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Right, Yeah, you're like, keep the bad that bad?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
You know, I'm not playing with no ouji boy, no.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
No, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
My sister was just having that conversation with me the
other day because her and a couple of friends when
we were younger played with it. Because my son in
her teen years, she was just trying to she was
trying to be reckless.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Cemetery got this grave.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
But she said, ever since they played with that Wuiji board.
All she remembers. She was telling me that they were
playing with the Wuiji.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Board and a friend of hers like shot back to
the window, and like a friend of hers mom like
shot back to the window, and like something had happened
to her. But ever since that moment, she said, she
had never been right, ever since that moment. And then
she ended up kind of she was in their lives,
but it was really tumultuous for a while, and then
eventually she went away, she died, you know what I mean.
Later and it was just like I'm like, that stuff
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is too crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So I definitely believe that's a real thing, for sure.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
So somebody comes to you and tells you that, what
was it like working with Monique?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Oh my god, it was, like I tell people all
the time, I was like, it was just so amazing
and inspiring, you know what I mean. It's just like
she is one of the best actresses we have ever had,
and I really stand on that, and like, you know,
she absolutely deserves her flowers all the time, and so
I said, it's twofold, like it was an honor to
work with her, or multiple fold, it was.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
An honor to work with her.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And then it was a lesson, you know what I'm saying,
Like it was absolutely I was able to learn just
from her approach and her hunger as an actor still,
you know what I mean, there's no like that she's like, yes,
I'm the greatest, Yes I'm done to all this stuff,
blah blah blah. But she don't, or at least I
acknowledge that, you know what I'm saying, But she still
comes to set every single day. Okay, mister Daniels, Okay,
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ready to work. All of these women, Like it's so
all of them are legends that are still hungry, and
I think that's what makes people great and gives them
that longevity. And then in addition to that, like she
came to me one time and she could see me
like in scenes, you know, kind of struggling thro things
blah blah blah blah blah, and I could tell in
her heart she cared, you know what I'm saying about
like my emotional and mental state. And she came and
(18:50):
she says something so impactful, couple things. A she was
just complimenting. She was like, you're not talented, you're gifted,
and I want you to know the difference of those things.
And I was like, well, first of all, like to
is melting. And then she also came in between takes
one time and she said to me, she said, make
sure you let it go because you know that you're acting,
but your body does not know the difference. You know
(19:11):
what I'm saying. And she was like, it matters to
fight another day, like to have the stamina. And so
it was just such a good lesson. Glenn was the
same way, you know what I mean. Andre knew the
same way, and I just I got to watch these
women who approached they all approach it differently, but the
results are the same, which is greatness learning from my kids.
It was just Mike Ebbs, it was amazing. It was
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probably one of my favorites. It's but sorry working with him.
It was just it was great to watch them all
approach it differently. Miss miss Lawrence, you know what I mean, It's.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Just Lawrence killed it. I didn't even realize at first
that was Miss Laurence.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
A lot.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
That's so dope, and for this to be like your
second starring, yeah role you have you're here for a reason,
thank you, just over Billy Holiday and then to go
from that to this. But those are huge, huge, And
I remember when you did Billy Holliday and you're talking
about getting into that role and I read about it
and how you were smoking cigarettes and I was.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
And this one.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Now I'm sitting out here a lot because now I
got a tattoo of these children. People were like, all
those are babies. I was like, they don't even.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Exist, real children.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
And when you for real, guy, yes, look, Phil, I'm
telling you, she really got tattooed. It was supposed to
have faded by now I went and I got it
because I was like, she's a mom from North Philly,
Like we decided she's from nice town. I spent time
with miss Jade out there, like I love Philly by
the way, I love Philly.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I love Philly people too.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
So I know, I was like so and so I
just was like, I just feel like, there's no way
she does not have her baby's tatto on her somewhere.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
So I was like, let me just do a little
you know something.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
You were not playing. You were like, I'm coming into this.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
And you can't will Lee, you gotta be the you
know what I mean, you.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Got this job heroin for real, right?
Speaker 4 (20:57):
So what we.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Definitely like we mitigated, we mitigated. I was like I
had never I had never smoked cigarettes, I never drank.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I wasn't I didn't cut and saying I smoking cigarettes
like I know that, yeah, and drinking hardly in your
heart that was a lot.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I was like, my liver was like, cannot wait till
this shooting schedule.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
And cigarettes are so addictive too. Weren't you concerned that?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Like I was, because I went from I was just
gonna do it on set, I had committed to it,
and I was like, I'm just gonna do it because
the thing is with Billy, like you are hard pressed
to find a photo of her like on off a
candidate where she does not have a cigaret in her hand.
And I didn't want to just be like here I'm
smoking cigarettes to write that. I need to know. I
got to fill it in my bad. I need to
know the unction of what like if we're sitting here
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talking and I just grab a cigarette without even thinking
about it and I light up, and you know what
I mean, Like what is that function that makes me
do that? And I needed to have that feeling, And honestly,
it actually helped me on set because don't do this, y'all.
But it helped me on set because I like doing
the Heroin nods because my body was so not used
to cigarettes, so it would actually shut down and I
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would start to like, as if I was on Heroin,
Oh wow, so I could focus on the emotional part
of the scene. So yeah, it was. But I ended
up smoking for like two years after that, which.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I was like, I see, that's how hard habit to
kick its Its commitment is unparalleled, I have to say.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And in my mind, I think I justified it because
we finished filming. But then the next year we had
to do like pickup shoots, we had to do you know,
adr and all this stuff, and that's not a character
for me. Again, I didn't have no experience with it,
so it wasn't a character where I'm like, Okay, I'll
drop out and then when we do the pickup shoots,
I'll drop in. I was like, I gotta just stay
hurt all the way up until twenty twenty one when
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it dropped and going through Award season, so that habit
ended up being like way longer than I thought. But
I think I was able to kick it because I
started so late, you know what I mean, Like I
started smoking, I was like twelve or thirteen.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
That's a lot harder.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
That's harder.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
So, yeah, how did you feel the first time you
saw the movies?
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I cried, I felt Oh God, I felt a range
of emotions. I I definitely cried because the best way
that I could explain it is like I don't look
at that movie like, oh, here's this great work, like
because it was my first time, and because like the
way Tasha trained me and the way Lee got the performance.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Like.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Those are those don't feel like memories from work. They
feel like memories from my life, like actual memories, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
So it just doesn't it feels like so it's like
it's like me watching this part of my life that
I love so much that I'm not in anymore, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
And so it's just like.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I loved being her, I loved my cast, I was
in love with everyone I was, you know, And so
it was hard watching it. And plus the edit is
a hard thing for me because I know everything, and
I don't like, I was like, yeah, so I was.
So that was hard, you know to see. But it
was also like, I don't know, I was overjoyed. I
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was just in tears. I was just super duper emotional grateful,
you know. But at the time, I was still dealing
with stuff, so I wasn't I still wasn't ready for
that part of my life to be over, you know
what I mean. And because it's just like her memories
just felt like my memories.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
And how did your life change after that?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I mean, I definitely got you know, there's ways in
which Billy made me a lot braver. I'm either braver
or more confrontational. I don't know, because I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Like brave though, to be able to not be passive
aggressive exactly and just.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Just and so so she she definitely like, well, she
was a little more explosive, you know what I mean. Like,
but but and there were just ways relationships changed. I
was in a relationship for four years that ended, you
know what I mean, because I'm a whole different person,
you know what I mean, And that was it was
really hard for me and for him, you know what
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I'm saying. At the time, because that's just not who
he signed up for.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Cigarettes.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Yeah, all the things, you know what I'm saying like that.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
And at the time too, I was just like, you know,
like I was mostly I've had like I'm being very graphic,
I have had oral sex and all this stuff, but
I haven't had like intercourse in ten years, right, like,
so you know, so it just I didn't cuss.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I didn't. It was a lot of things that I
had just you know, wait for ten years, yeah, for
ten years.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, So I was like and at the time, I
guess when we were filming what was it like, six
years whatever, I came to math girl.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Okay, clearly I didn't do that either, but that was
a require of hot today.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
But so anyway, it was just like, you know, it
was a different, different person, and so, you know, and
it just there were ways in which I became more confident,
but there were also ways in which I became much
more insecure, you know what I mean. It definitely affected
my singing voice, which just affected my even my love
for music, you know what I mean, Because when you
have this feeling that you sound terrible every time you sing,
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it's just like, you know, it's so it's so laborious,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Your new album sounds great.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I think some of it was recorded before, you know,
but it was just yeah, so it was that, there
was there was all of that, you know.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
It was.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
It was a long period of trying to figure out
who I am, you know what I mean, And and
then I finally got to a point where I was like,
all right, well I shouldn't be trying to go back
to who I was, because that's silly. Like you're changing
every day, you know what I'm saying, So every interaction
will change you. You get married, it'll change you, a new job, change,
So why would I think that one of these super
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impactful experiences wouldn't change me up.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
So I just accepted like this was a part of
preparing me for who.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
It is I'm supposed to be in this season, and
that that kind of helped, you know, just to prayer
and all this stuff to ground me. But yeah, it
did definitely impact myne And you.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Did get your voice back, yeah, yeah, I know there
was some issues with the hemorrhaging.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
And yeah, mostly though mostly I got it back. And
there's also a little bit where I'm just I'm a
little bit of a different singer, now you know what
I mean?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
And that's okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
So yeah, yeah, there was this rumor that at the NFL,
and I knew it was just a rumor, they find
you a billion dollars for singing the Black National anthem.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I was like, did you see this? I don't even
see that. It was a thing, like if.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
You look it up, because I'm not She was like
a billion, she was like, you know they I was like,
that is not true.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
She was They knew she was saying in the Black
National anthem.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
First of all, a billion dollars. Now, I don't even
know how economics work in the base of the money.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
All right, sign, how much did you think Billy paid me? Y'all?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Like, did you think they paid you for singing the anthems?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Out?
Speaker 4 (27:23):
And then they do? Not a billion dollars?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Speaking suitable, I gotta show you this in any realm
of life, sue somebody for a billion dollars?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
What about?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Because I was like, uh, she actually was commissioned to
do that.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
They knew it was gonna.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Be my friends, Let that one go, friends.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Let there you go?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yes, hold on, wait, let's see. Oh my god, this
is so crazy. A lot of different rumors started coming
up after a billion, when people like they're like, oh,
she's a great now we care she's a great actor, right,
you know what I mean. Then it was like Brad
Pitts now my boyfriend. Now apparently I'm getting find a
billion dollars?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Like I hear the Brad rumor, that's cute girl.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
It was after the Oscar I have never even met y'all.
Just I've never even met that man. Andrew Day fined
one billion by NFL sleeking black national after what in
the maga.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I'm glad you made the case. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I was able you guys, just I won, so I
was able to retain my billion, thank you.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
And then the NFL versus and to day thing.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Ever, the unprecedented find relaxed, They're not going to waste
a unpresident and find on me.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Like, well, that's been so funny, and so listen, how
did you prepare seeing how you prepared and did you
due diligence for Billie Holiday?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
How do you prepare for the deliverance?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Man, So it's really funny, and it's funny because Lee
echoes this and I remember him telling me on set
and I was like, no way, because I have the feeling.
But I was like, I'm just tripping. Maybe this experience
of Billy's just further away from me, so I don't remember.
But it felt on set so much harder to play
Ebony than it did to play Billy, which I was
just like, what, how Like you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
I'm like why. So I prepared much.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
In the same way that I prepared with with Uh
with Billy, except it was less less interaction with the
subject that I was playing, because like Billy, we were
specifically doing Billy and trying to tell the story, you know,
lead us. He didn't necessarily want me to talk to
LaToya quite yet before we were, you know, filming, while
we were filming, because he was like, I want to
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make sure I want you to know about her story.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
So I made sure to do the research.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
And but I wanted I really want Ebony to be
her own actualized character. So he's like, it's not true
true biopic, you know what I mean? So I really
needed to.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Be Goodness because you would have had three kids, you
know what.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I'der staying My style is already said He'll give me
his little you know what I mean. So but yes, sorry,
y'all let me. I'm not I'm being too candid. I'm sorry.
But so anyway, So it was so he wanted to
develop his own thing with this, but it just felt
it was really interesting because I think I was able
to disappear more with and I think because I'm trying
to reconcile so much with who I am and all
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those different also because being an actor will come somehow
make you crazy because I'm just an amalgamation of.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
All of them.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
But but she was just too normal for me. Does
that make sense? Like she had all of her issues,
but she was so close like culturally and even in
the time period that it took place, like I remember
all these things, I remember this style, I remember and
so and just finding that that niche of like who
is this woman who you know she is of her environment,
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but she's also not super dupe, Like it's not gonna
be on the nose like John Da da da da da.
You know what I'm saying, drawn da da da, Like
she really wanted to kind of one of those women
that gets out of her environment.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
And I want to do something different.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I'm not gonna be like my mama because she's Ghatto
and she's you know what I mean, she one of them,
but she.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Is of her environment.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
So it was just a lot of super duper nuance,
a lot of internal Like Ebanie's very much like she's
not as explosive as Billy.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
She can be.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
She definitely can be, but I think she's a little
more calculating. You know what I'm saying, right, I get it,
And so it kind of made it more difficult to
play her. And Lee told me on set, he said,
you know this is crazy, Andrew, I actually think you
are better in the Deliverance than you were even in Billy.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Which to me, like Lee be making me cry all
the time. He'd be doing too much.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
He's making me cry, but after having the experience of
doing that movie, he should be.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
And I trust anything he says. I trust everything he says.
And that's why I tell people, how do you know
if you're good after I don't. If Lee says, cut,
we got it, that's how I know we got it.
That's it, you know, like one hundred percent, you know
what I mean. So I'm prepared by just you know,
preparing the motherhood. I went and spent time in Philly
as well too. I spent time with Miss Jade out there,
and and and and just a lot of figures, and
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spent time like in Philly, like with people from there
as well, because like you know, how it is like
you can't just drop into nice town and somebody said
and be like, hey, y'all, I'm preparing no, you know
what I mean, like respect, like you know, so I
wanted to make sure that I was like, you know,
but it and and without being so on the nose,
you know what I'm saying, just little touches and and
and then spending time with kids and what that means
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to just just have these three lives that are far
more important, you know what I mean than yours. Dealing
with alcohol addiction. I definitely was studying that in the
ways that it impacts you, what people are trying to
cover up with those things, and and then dealing with
like like you know, for me, it's like I always
tell people. I was like, I'm light skinned, but I'm
I really am mostly black. Like my mother is the
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mixed one, so she has more of that experience. And
so it was delving into that because my mom is
black and white, okay, And so just just diving into
that sort of experience with her. My mom, actually I'm
speaking candidly, she actually shared a lot more of the
same traumas that Ebony shared, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
So it was, but she's not gonna watch the movie.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
You said, no, she's not.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
So she just doesn't like horror.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Movie if it ain't on Disney. Plus, mom is not
watching it. She's like, protect my piece. Protect I'm violent
about her piece.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
So, but it was it was kind of hard to
diving into some of those things with my mom. I
don't want to open up those traumas for her, you
know what I'm saying, Like, and then diving into for
sure my own as well. But but yeah, it was
really an internal work of like, oh now we got
to talk about these things that we kind of kept
under wraps, you know what I'm saying, Like, now we
got to talk about the weird neighbor or the weird
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you know what I mean. Like, So, but but that
was and then just working closely with Lee, I worked
with Tasha again as well, So.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I, oh my god, she's amazing.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
When I tell you this, is a woman. It's just
you don't often meet people that believe in you even
more than you do, that might even want it even
more than you do for you, you know what I'm saying,
And that is her. She's an incredible director, incredible coach,
credible actress, like but she's also just an incredible mentor
and friend and like currently they've been a gift.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
You got it.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
I feel so bad. I'm like, all I'm spoilt.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
How is it talking to LaToya? Is that I haven't?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I still actually haven't. Yeah, I still actually haven't. You know, Okay,
this is so so I really wanted to be sensitive.
I think most people are like, how could you play her?
And I talk to her, Like I said, again, they
didn't want me to because at first, because it was
like we need to craft our own independent story. The
other part is this woman is still very much I
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you know, I have the number, and there are so
many times that I was praying.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
I was like should I reach out now? Should I
reach out now?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
And I just had yet because this is a really
traumatic experience for her, and I didn't want to do
the thing where I'm like, hi, I'm an actor and
I'm playing you so that I.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Could have the good LaToya story and dah da.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Da, Like she went through a lot, there are other
things that she went through that I will not speak
about now, you know what I mean. That she's still
dealing with the trauma of these things, you know what
I mean. So, like I think I wanted to be
fully distanced from the bigness and the craziness of this
that she really does not want in her life. She
is still a recluse, like to this day, even like
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when you watch documentaries of people trying to get her attention.
Even when Lee and the producers were trying to speak
to her, you know, it was she took a minute
for her to open up, you know what I'm saying,
and then she experienced some more trauma and shut right
back down.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Like so I just respectfully given yes.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
It's just like.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
There's so many big people calling her and she's clearly
unfazed by this because she's been through so much, and
so like I was like, eventually, I'm just praying about
like just just for God to open the door when
it's time to talk, and for healing and all these things.
I just don't want to exploit her life just for
the conversation, you know what I'm saying, because this is
real to her, still real to her.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah it is. That's traumatizing. I was traumatized watching it.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
And like they do have this documentary out you don't
find much. I think she's done maybe two interviews, and
you can tell it's uncomfortable, Like and there's a documentary
where they really could only talk to like her cousin
because she wouldn't even open the door, you know what
I mean. So I'm like, you just you don't want
to press into people's space like that. So okay, I
get really respectful, you.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
And then you have another movie coming out to.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yes, I'm so excited called Exhibiting Forgiveness. Yes, I was
able to play again with Anja new ellis. Who oh, y'all,
y'all you have to go see this movie. It's it's
it's really Titus Kafar as the director. He's a first
time director. Okay, he's actually an incredible painter, you know
what I'm saying, Like incredible artists, and so he's really
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reconciling the relationship with his father, who was unfortunately a
victim of the drug drug epidemic, you know what I mean.
And he's really wrestling with the idea of how to forgive.
You know, we know we should forgive, we're supposed to,
but we don't talk about how hard fought forgiveness really is.
And so it's this man he's trying to build a
life of health and freedom. And that's I thought these
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characters would be good for me too, because I was like, ooh,
she's healthy.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
She checks in with her right exactly where I could
be healthy.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
This So it's it's it's starring Andre Holland, Are new Ellis,
John Jelks myself, and it's just it's a really beautiful
story about a father son's story about forgiveness. But it
resonates just in any relationship you have where you're struggling
with forgiveness.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
You know, how is it for you working with another director?
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Now? Uh?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
It was scary at first because I listen to me,
listen I people tell me. I remember in the beginning, people, well,
they want you to I want to work with Lee.
I want to work with Lee. You can't only work
with Lee?
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I was like to explained to me, because guess what,
he already got another script in my in my in
my books already.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
And I'm gonna say, yes, I'm doing that one as
well too, you know what I mean. So he's my scores,
like why not Spike, Denzel Scorsese and you know Robert
de Niro?
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Why not? That is he is that director, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
So but it was great, I think because I'm such
a huge fan of his paintings. I was like, Okay,
I gotta see he's a visionary. I gotta see what
he's doing with this movie. And it was actually really
working with him was really amazing, and working with the
cast was really amazing because it's such a fantastic story
and like, I really wanted to be there. I was
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truly a support, like not just like a support character,
but support on set, and I really wanted to make sure,
like the other actors did that this vision came to
life because I know it would.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Impact people like that.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
So it was cool. Working with a different director is interesting.
I watched him become a director on set as well too,
you know what I mean, Because there are moments when
he's a very nice person, and he wants to like,
let me make sure everybody did it, and he stayed
that way, but you get to a point where you realize,
I gotta get this done, you know what I mean.
So there were moments he would do things that actually reminded.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Me of leave. You know what I'm saying. So I
was like, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
You're betteran now apparently now you guys three times in right.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Well listen that deliverance.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
So it is going to be available on Netflix August thirtieth, August,
but it is going to be limited release in theaters.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yes, August sixteenth, is that correct?
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Yes, that's correct?
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah, okay, correct fifteenth, fifteenth?
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Fifteenth or sixteenth?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, one day Friday sixteenth, okay, all right, thirtieth on Netflix.
I'm not giving no spoilers, guys, but we definitely have
made a topic at of whether or not you've had
an interaction with any spirits.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I appreciate you for coming through.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Thank you so much, and I know you for having us.
Thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
No, this was really fun for me just to be
able to have this conversation.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
I enjoy this.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I'm glad you asked that question too. That's a really
you get some interesting thing. It's interesting to me when
you ask that question. If people have spiritual interaction, how
many of them are the same.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
You know what I'm saying right listen.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
I think as a kid, we all had that experience
where you're like running, like you feel like something's behind
you going up the stairs.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
You got to turn the light constantly scare of the dark.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
But would be stupid when I was young, like, I
had a recurring dream and I had it when I
was actually on the set of The Deliverance, and I
haven't had it since I was like in middle school.
What it's this big ass tomato, like this giant tomato
you remembered.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
And it was my old house in Navy Housing.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
And there was like this great thing, you know what
I mean in front of the house like all houses
in the nineties. And I would be running and running
and running away from this big ass tomatoes and then
I would get behind it and then start shooting his
little angry baby tomatoes at me.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
That was splat all around all.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
But I think there's a movie about a giant horrible
You said we all had that dream.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
No, that was just me, Okay, I was gonna.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Say that anybody in here had that dream, and that
was just my I'm gonna google what a giant tomato throwing.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Baby tomatoes, the big tomato.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
There was attack of the giant tomato.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
This is why I don't need to be watching the
old ship.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Of the Giant Tomato. I tacked to kill a tomatoes.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
That's it. That's it.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
A higher film from nineteen seventy.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
And it literally was a dream that stuck with me
like my whole childhood.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
I was here oozing tomatoes go on the rampage, splattering
innocent victims.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
And then there was the.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Big winning Who's splattered. He's splattered right on my grill.
I don't know why I shouldn't have watched this movie.
And why would my mind grab onto such a dumb
one that has.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Something to do with your celibacy? For some reason?
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Why's she coming to me, y'all? It might be the images.
The images are crazy, all right.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
But thank you so much, y'all.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Make shall you take out the deliverance, Make sure you
pick up the Cassane, Well, listen to the Cassandra.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
I guess no one picks up albums anymore, right, right, exactly?
And the tour too, right.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yes, oh so m okay, so I might as well
say this now I can say it now, right yeah, okay,
so listen, here's the thing, y'all.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
So I had to postpone the tour, okay.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Because it was going to be in August, but we're
gonna do some dates actually in October now because we
didn't when we booked it. We didn't know when the
deliverance releasing or exhibiting forgiveness. So it was like, y'all,
they were trying to kill me. So it was basically
there were no days like I need to make sure
like I'm singing, you know what I'm saying, I'm singing.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
The microphone was on during tour.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Dates, so so basically it was no I'm I'm supposed
to be in like three different cities sometimes on certain
days it was there was no break. So I couldn't
promote do press runs for two movies and tour at
the same time because I felt like I'd be failing
in both directions, missing press dates, not giving good shows
because my waist is tired and all these things. So
we just decided, like, let me give my full self
(42:04):
to the press run of the deliverance because it deserves it,
press run of exhibiting forgeinness it deserves it.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
And then fully gave to what you have to do.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah, exactly, So I'm sorry to say all of the
refunds are there, you guys. I wanted to make sure
it wasn't messy. We will be making an announcement, but yes,
we did have to postpone it becauseuse because because.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Girl tomatoes, and that would be y'all.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Don't get no ideas, do not get no ideas.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
All right, Well, honestly, this is amazing.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
Yes, thank you well
What's up. It's way up at Angela Yee. I feel
like we did the interviewer.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Rady, I just know, I know we gave it away.
Y'all have to get the BTS.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
We had a whole conversation because Keith Sweat was just here. Yes,
and you sample him on your album? I did, Cassandra, Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I was so excited. I was excited to hear he
was here. And he was like, do you want to
meet him? I said yes, literally, he said yes to
the sample. I sampled it on a song called about
it on my album Yes, and so I'm actually singing it.
But it was one of my favorite songs growing up, Twisted.
It was like full circle moment.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
And you probably didn't even know what it was about.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
But because I was an.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Eleged day by the way they started talking, I'm sorry
and day is here.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I'm so happy to be here. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
But yeah, Twisted singing that as a kid, you didn't
know what that.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
No.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I was elementary school walking home. I was saying, I
walk home and I was stopped by this man who
lived by himself and he would give candy out to kids.
And it's really dark house with bushes and all this
stuff around it. Yeah, thank god I'm still here delivery. Yeah, exactly.
So it was full circle, you know what I mean.
But I'll be singing twisted eating fireballs all the way home,
(01:08):
not knowing what I was singing.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
And then I grew up and I was like, damn, okay.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Waitted my life for some candy. But they know, kids
love candy. But honestly, like, I'm so glad to hear
I definitely Western United States versus Billy Holliday. You did
such a fun I didn't realize that was your first
like starring role. Yeah, first acting role acting her period
and a movie. The way that you killed that role,
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
It was so amazing, Like, and I didn't really know
Billy Holliday's full story.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I love hearing stuff like that, right, I think that
she she that was the Well, first of all, I
didn't want to do it because I'm not an actor,
and I was like, y'all should just go find somebody
who you know could act. But I took the meeting
with Lee because I was like, well, you know, maybe
he'll wants some music in the movie.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
It'll be a good meeting bowl book, but then we
fell in love.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
And what I really fell in love with is that
he was such a huge fan of Lady Sings the
Blues and then so he never realized that he didn't
know Billy's full story either, And I was such a
big fan of her, so like, I recognize her as
like this sort of godmother of like the neo civil
rights movement.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
You know, like mm hm.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
So that was one of the big things for me
that I was like, I was scared to do it,
but it did matter to me that her legacy was
vindicated because like the fact that we only really know
her as a jazz singer and a drug addict is
part of the design, you know what I mean. So
it was really important that she should be looked at
when we have conversations about id B Wells and Angela
Davis and you know what I'm saying, Asada Billy should
(02:34):
be mentioned in those conversations, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
So that was definitely why I wanted to do it.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
And you're the perfect person when you think about how
music actually affects movements so much, and it is part
of civil rights move even if you think back to
the days of slavery when music was so important. Yes,
you know, on the plantations for many different reasons, and
you've had you know, like this song rise up parents
of that. But you could compare that cause that really
(03:02):
was like a song that symbolized the movement.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, yeah, no, it became and I had listen. I
the song actually wasn't even supposed to be on the
first album.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
It wasn't. It was like a way late addition to
the album.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
And they were like, the label brought me and they
were like, we wanna play you something you know that
we think you should add to the album. And I
was like no, and they were like you wrote it,
and I said, okay, well let me listen real quick.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
But so we listened to it and it it kind
of sucked the air out of the room, like as
it does, you know sometimes, and we just knew.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I had no idea would be.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It was adopted by Black Lives Matter movement, you know,
and a lot of different movements of people who are
just sort of fighting for freedom and need you need,
you know, you need the strength, you need those things
that help you keep your arms up, you know. I
told people though. The difference is, though I can acknowledge
what it feels like and what it means to have
a song that becomes like an anthem of like a movement,
(03:54):
you know, and a and a generation of people. What
I don't, what I'm not too familiar with, is like
that every time I sing that song, somebody might try
to kill me for it.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
And that's the difference that is definitely at the time,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And so you know, so while I acknowledge that I'm
able to sing this song because.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
She sang that at that time, you know, strange fruit.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah, So grateful for.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
That, Yeah, because who would think they would tell somebody
not to perform?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
You know that, I really did not know all of.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
That, And it's great to be able to see some
of these documentaries like a Sam Cook or just to
see what people went through when a lot of times
you weren't able to have a voice, and where honestly
should be so grateful to be in a time where
things are not at all perfect.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I just watched Donald Trump girl right now.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I'm like, look at where we're going, but Portugal, where
we're going out the cause.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
But I kind of was when I was watching that,
I kind of was like I'm glad he did that
because it did make you be like, Okay, now this
is ridiculous, But I don't see how ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
This is, right exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Like that's the thing I'm like, what is it that
he he has to do or say to people to
be like, yo, this is narcissism, you guys, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
And man correct information, like to just say anything.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And to have no like he's I think he's aware
of the fact that he doesn't even have to tell
the truth.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
He doesn't because he knows.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
He just does inflammatory things and his base will eat
it up, you know. And that's the thing I'm like,
And that's the sad part. You won't go fact check,
you won't go do all those things because it's like,
all I need to do is that's propaganda.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
I just need to muddy the water with all.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
He'll say it.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I say it enough times people will think it's true.
It don't matter literally what it is. But yeah, so
just thinking about all of those things, now, let's get
to some fun, fun conversations.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I had to give you your flowers though, for.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Playing that Billie Holliday role and for killing it and
working with Lee Daniels, and clearly he sees what a
great job you did because here you are starring in
the Deliverance.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
With this cast is crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Oh my that is in it. Monique is in it.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Anjiana Ellis is in it like you had. Oh Glenn close,
let's talk about that.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Oh my god, you know, my god, her transformation.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Like, first of all, I tell people, like, it's not
lost on me that Lee trusted me with this cast
of people, you know what I mean, because these are
people that I'm like, those are my inspirations. When I'm
doing Billie, I'm like, Okay, I gotta try and tap
what at least a little bit of what Mo did
in you know, Precious for all of her stuff. You
know what Glenn did? What Anjanu did? You know, Mike Gap,
(06:21):
same thing? Even my children, you know who play my
kids like they're incredible. So it just was really and
the fact that he believed in me again, you know
what I mean, and just but it's also I tell people,
I said, Lee don't give himself enough credit in this position,
because you know, he's a great casting director. His sister's
one of the best casting directors in the business as well.
(06:42):
But he Also, I'm like, Lee, you are a He
is one of the best directors we've ever had. And
so I was like, while, he picks amazing actors and
he relies on them and he loves what they do.
He's such a good director, Like he could make you
believe this unicorn right here is a real live stallion,
you know what I mean, Like you just he can
pull a performance out of a rock and I just
(07:03):
feel like, so, I feel very grateful to be in
his family of performers, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And you delivered on the delivery, I have to say,
because I was waiting to hear you. I had a
chance to watch it in advance, you know, and it
definitely had the whole thing across the like, do not
you know, say anything about it, do not review whatever
Netflix sends you.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I'm like, so I'm at the end, right.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I was like, don't tell to end. But it is
a horror movie, which is my favorite genre. Everybody who
knows me knows that. But it's also based on a
true story.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Yes it is.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
We had a whole conversation, We've had a couple of
conversations based on that without me giving things away, But
we talked about on the show. A lot of people
called in when I was like, have you ever had
any interactions with the spirit or felt like something like
that happened? Now, I got to ask you because you
film this, and sometimes I always wonder what it's like
(07:55):
to film something like this because it could make you
feel like you're opening the door.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, for sure depth something.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
So that's actually such a good question because I think
what people will find. But again too, so I'm a believer,
you know what I'm saying. So that's I really have
to go into everything I do with intentions. So I
think when I first I, okay, I'll say like this,
going into the movie, I thought that's what it was
gonna be. I thought, I'm opening the door to a
bunch of stuff that's gonna kind of, you know, just
(08:23):
like upset myself and my family and all these things.
And I'm like, am I letting these spirits in? Am
I letting this you know, stuff in? And so at
first I was kind of like, I don't think I
should really do this. I don't think I should really.
But then I was praying and I was praying about it,
and I for me personally, I could really hear God
clearly tell me that, like, these are not things. When
I say, like, you know, perfect love casts out all fear,
(08:47):
I mean that, like you know what I mean. And
it was like understanding that. You got to understand you
have authority over these things. These things are under your foot.
So it's like you have to be this if you
gonna be light. Light needs to illuminate dark places, you
know what I mean. In these stories show victory. And
he was reminding me, even though I didn't know which
way they were gonna go with the story, was reminded
me it would be victory in this place. So it
was really crazy because from my experience on set, it
(09:11):
was actually a lot of light. It was a lot
of light, a lot of love, a lot of community,
sisterhood with these incredible women on set. Like you know,
I did have like sometimes a little bit weird dreams,
you know, like.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
How could you not?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, no, for sure, because you know what I mean,
like the material, I wasn't in it, even reading the material,
reading on this stuff. But you know, we were praying,
and I'm one of them, like I'm really like, y'all,
let's pray before we each scene and be like I'm
not playing like everything.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
And it's funny because Lee I love him so much.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
He would allow me to like the space to be
like cool and he would do it as well too.
And then sometime if I'm in my head, He'll remind
me Andre we're gonna pray, so we would grab hands.
We made sure we prayed because he had intention too,
because his intention was like, yes, I want to scare people,
Yes I want to make a horror movie, but I
want people to encounter God.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I want people to know that, like, no matter how
deep your generational trauma is, you can be healed.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
And we should be healed. So it's definitely based on
a true story. The woman's name that the story is
based on originally I play Ebony Jackson, but her name
was LaToya Ammon's okay, and it was based actually in Gary, Indiana.
So there are a lot of differences, you know what
I mean, Like.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Wants based on a two story, it's not.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
So I think like even if you go look at
her story, it won't fully give away the movie because
Lee really wanted it to be based off of it
inspired by it, but to be their own kind of
characters and their own stories.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
So it's it.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Will have you on the edge of your because you
know it starts up the setting.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I'm like waiting for something, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
The anticipation is also what gets me all the time,
and like knowing that something's gonna happen, and then you're like,
come on, you don't see these flies.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Right because and the plus the drama, the family drama,
be so deep into it and then they'll hit you
with something crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
You'll be like, wait a minute, hold long.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But you know what, like your character in there, just
the mother's love that she has for her kids, but
how difficult it is, like being a single mom raising
three children and not always doing the best that you can.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Your own escapes at times. Yes, that's a real thing.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yes for people to have to watch that, and it's like,
I'm like, I just want her to do better.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
And you know, and you know it.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
First of all, I love that you clocked that because
that's what she wants, you know what I mean. But
she's trying to do the best she can do, or
thinking she's doing the best she can do with all
these unhealed, open gaping wounds, you know what I'm saying,
Like she bleeding now and trying to poor and poor
important to her kids as much as she can. And
so I know that was an important thing for Lee
(11:39):
and for all of us on set, was the idea
that it's like, you know, a she's fighting for her kids,
like with the government obviously, you know, trying to take
her kids because they believe she's being abusive where she's
not a fit mother.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And imagine, how do you explain that my kids got
you know.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, because of course, like if you a social work
and somebody like, well my kids got bruises, well it's demons,
not me.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
You're gonna look at them.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
So she's crazy, take the care right now.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
And that was and that was her goal and in
that true story, that was really the social worker's goal.
And so I think that, like, but there is also
this this underlying aspect of like believe black women. You
know what I'm saying, believe women believe women of color
like believe because society has kind of made this culture
where we just don't you know what I'm saying, We
either don't believe or we don't care enough to you.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Know, we don't support we don't support, like how did
we figure out how to help?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
But you're not allowed to be humanhero.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
But there's even a point where someone does try to
help and she's like exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
So that's what I What I love about her story
is that, And what I loved about like playing her
is I'm like, she really does want to be the
best mother she she can be, you know what I mean.
And that's why I love the metaphor. There's the physical
fight with the demons, but there's also Ebenie's real struggle
of trying to She don't even know that she needs
to heal from this was amused, you know what I mean, physically, sexually,
(12:56):
Her mother was on drugs and so now her mother
lives in that house with her, and they're trying to
like single mom, raise these kids with your mom, and
you're faced with the seat of your trauma every single day.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
She's halfway, Yes, she half way.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Her mother is Glenn close.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And so there's also this identity you know, black Man's
period and.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
That and always and is and is like dressed and.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
It's just is in the culture, you know what I'm saying,
quote unquote, So it's like Ebane's trying to like be
like you don't really actually know you my mom. You
don't have to deal with the same things that I
necessarily have to deal.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Because you're a white woman like me.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
And that was one of the things in the beginning
we laughed at.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
So I'll tell you there's one deleted line, like we
didn't end up using it, like I probably couldn't deliver it, right,
But there's one deleted line from the movie where, well,
I'm not going to give away it's a very very
heavy scene in the movie and Ebanie literally says to
Mama Alberta, that's Glenn's character.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
She was like, who what kind of white woman named
their daughter Ebony? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, it was like you had to go for the
most blackest name you could think of. Like, so it's
just you. There's all those different clashes in there. The
kids are in the middle of it, you know. But
but I love What I love about this movie is
you get to see you get to see a fully
realized black women work through these struggles and like, you know,
there is there is a moment where you get to
(14:24):
cheer for her and you're very happy for her.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
You know what I'm saying she has some wins and
you can see her doing like as much as she
can with the little that she.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Has exactly you know what I mean? For sure? Yes,
you know so glad.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
But it's still the damn Hire movie though we're talking
about all this other stuff, but you're still going.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
To be like and there's still the Lee Daniels element.
It's gonna be some family drama in there. So yeah, Now.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Let me ask you, if somebody came to you and
told you he had these demons this, would you believe that?
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I don't put let me tell you when you talk
about experiences you've had, so it wasn't on the set
of the movie. My friend used to have these experiences
all the time and I would hear about it and
I couldn't understand it necessarily, but I believed her because
I do believe in the spirit world, you know what
I mean. But I finally had my own experience where
I was like on my bed and I was awake,
(15:10):
but it was like this weird state and I could
just feel this like it's funny because I was awake
and it's like I saw it in the corner. It
was just this entity. It was this dark, dark entity.
It was hard to really make out exactly what it was,
but it was just this dark entity. And then I
tried to get it up and then it kind of
moves over and is like holding me down. And I
think a lot of people, if you.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Ask, you can't get up.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, a lot of people have that experience, and they'll
call let's say, like sleep, pararalysis, all these things blah
blah blah. But like it talks about it in scripture,
you know what I mean. So my thing is I
don't try to move and be like, oh, it doesn't exist.
I said it does, but I don't have to be
afraid of it, you know what I'm saying. And that's
what I wanted to be a part of showing in
this movie, like you can overcome it, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Oh, I love it. I can't wait for people to
see this. I do because you know what, because there's
so many two stories. And even when I was young,
I had this conversation like the Assists that was like
the first horror movie I saw, and I should not
have been watching that as a kid, and I watched
it by myself.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
With my first horror movie, that I saw.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Oh, no wonder, but she was scarred early. You built different.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
But I used to watch like all the Nightmare on
Elm Streets, like all the Stephen King movies that.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
And like I used to read rol Stein as a
kid too, a Christopher Pike and all them A little skilled.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yes, and you know how all of that so and
Kujo like all of those.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I love that. Wait, this is the next time we
got to do a little never carry. Yeah, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
So I used to love stuff like that as a kid.
But I will say a lot of it. Even Texas
changed to a massacre that's based on a true story,
and I know it's not like a complete true story,
but there's a lot of things that are unexplained in
this world that you I think that how could you
not believe that there's spirits good and bad?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
And I try to welcome the good wins.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Right, Yeah, you're like, keep the bad that bad?
Speaker 1 (16:53):
You know, I'm not playing with no ouji boy, no.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
No, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
My sister was just having that conversation with me the
other day because her and a couple of friends when
we were younger played with it. Because my son in
her teen years, she was just trying to she was
trying to be reckless.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Cemetery got this grave.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
But she said, ever since they played with that Wuiji board.
All she remembers. She was telling me that they were
playing with the Wuiji.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Board and a friend of hers like shot back to
the window, and like a friend of hers mom like
shot back to the window, and like something had happened
to her. But ever since that moment, she said, she
had never been right, ever since that moment. And then
she ended up kind of she was in their lives,
but it was really tumultuous for a while, and then
eventually she went away, she died, you know what I mean.
Later and it was just like I'm like, that stuff
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is too crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So I definitely believe that's a real thing, for sure.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
So somebody comes to you and tells you that, what
was it like working with Monique?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Oh my god, it was, like I tell people all
the time, I was like, it was just so amazing
and inspiring, you know what I mean. It's just like
she is one of the best actresses we have ever had,
and I really stand on that, and like, you know,
she absolutely deserves her flowers all the time, and so
I said, it's twofold, like it was an honor to
work with her, or multiple fold, it was.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
An honor to work with her.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And then it was a lesson, you know what I'm saying,
Like it was absolutely I was able to learn just
from her approach and her hunger as an actor still,
you know what I mean, there's no like that she's like, yes,
I'm the greatest, Yes I'm done to all this stuff,
blah blah blah. But she don't, or at least I
acknowledge that, you know what I'm saying, But she still
comes to set every single day. Okay, mister Daniels, Okay,
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ready to work. All of these women, Like it's so
all of them are legends that are still hungry, and
I think that's what makes people great and gives them
that longevity. And then in addition to that, like she
came to me one time and she could see me
like in scenes, you know, kind of struggling thro things
blah blah blah blah blah, and I could tell in
her heart she cared, you know what I'm saying about
like my emotional and mental state. And she came and
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she says something so impactful, couple things. A she was
just complimenting. She was like, you're not talented, you're gifted,
and I want you to know the difference of those things.
And I was like, well, first of all, like to
is melting. And then she also came in between takes
one time and she said to me, she said, make
sure you let it go because you know that you're acting,
but your body does not know the difference. You know
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what I'm saying. And she was like, it matters to
fight another day, like to have the stamina. And so
it was just such a good lesson. Glenn was the
same way, you know what I mean. Andre knew the
same way, and I just I got to watch these
women who approached they all approach it differently, but the
results are the same, which is greatness learning from my kids.
It was just Mike Ebbs, it was amazing. It was
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probably one of my favorites. It's but sorry working with him.
It was just it was great to watch them all
approach it differently. Miss miss Lawrence, you know what I mean, It's.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Just Lawrence killed it. I didn't even realize at first
that was Miss Laurence.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
A lot.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
That's so dope, and for this to be like your
second starring, yeah role you have you're here for a reason,
thank you, just over Billy Holiday and then to go
from that to this. But those are huge, huge, And
I remember when you did Billy Holliday and you're talking
about getting into that role and I read about it
and how you were smoking cigarettes and I was.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
And this one.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Now I'm sitting out here a lot because now I
got a tattoo of these children. People were like, all
those are babies. I was like, they don't even.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Exist, real children.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
And when you for real, guy, yes, look, Phil, I'm
telling you, she really got tattooed. It was supposed to
have faded by now I went and I got it
because I was like, she's a mom from North Philly,
Like we decided she's from nice town. I spent time
with miss Jade out there, like I love Philly by
the way, I love Philly.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I love Philly people too.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
So I know, I was like so and so I
just was like, I just feel like, there's no way
she does not have her baby's tatto on her somewhere.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
So I was like, let me just do a little
you know something.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
You were not playing. You were like, I'm coming into this.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
And you can't will Lee, you gotta be the you
know what I mean, you.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Got this job heroin for real, right?
Speaker 4 (20:57):
So what we.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Definitely like we mitigated, we mitigated. I was like I
had never I had never smoked cigarettes, I never drank.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I wasn't I didn't cut and saying I smoking cigarettes
like I know that, yeah, and drinking hardly in your
heart that was a lot.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I was like, my liver was like, cannot wait till
this shooting schedule.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
And cigarettes are so addictive too. Weren't you concerned that?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Like I was, because I went from I was just
gonna do it on set, I had committed to it,
and I was like, I'm just gonna do it because
the thing is with Billy, like you are hard pressed
to find a photo of her like on off a
candidate where she does not have a cigaret in her hand.
And I didn't want to just be like here I'm
smoking cigarettes to write that. I need to know. I
got to fill it in my bad. I need to
know the unction of what like if we're sitting here
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talking and I just grab a cigarette without even thinking
about it and I light up, and you know what
I mean, Like what is that function that makes me
do that? And I needed to have that feeling, And honestly,
it actually helped me on set because don't do this, y'all.
But it helped me on set because I like doing
the Heroin nods because my body was so not used
to cigarettes, so it would actually shut down and I
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would start to like, as if I was on Heroin,
Oh wow, so I could focus on the emotional part
of the scene. So yeah, it was. But I ended
up smoking for like two years after that, which.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I was like, I see, that's how hard habit to
kick its Its commitment is unparalleled, I have to say.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
And in my mind, I think I justified it because
we finished filming. But then the next year we had
to do like pickup shoots, we had to do you know,
adr and all this stuff, and that's not a character
for me. Again, I didn't have no experience with it,
so it wasn't a character where I'm like, Okay, I'll
drop out and then when we do the pickup shoots,
I'll drop in. I was like, I gotta just stay
hurt all the way up until twenty twenty one when
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it dropped and going through Award season, so that habit
ended up being like way longer than I thought. But
I think I was able to kick it because I
started so late, you know what I mean, Like I
started smoking, I was like twelve or thirteen.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
That's a lot harder.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
That's harder.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
So, yeah, how did you feel the first time you
saw the movies?
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I cried, I felt Oh God, I felt a range
of emotions. I I definitely cried because the best way
that I could explain it is like I don't look
at that movie like, oh, here's this great work, like
because it was my first time, and because like the
way Tasha trained me and the way Lee got the performance.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Like.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Those are those don't feel like memories from work. They
feel like memories from my life, like actual memories, you know.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
So it just doesn't it feels like so it's like
it's like me watching this part of my life that
I love so much that I'm not in anymore, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
And so it's just like.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I loved being her, I loved my cast, I was
in love with everyone I was, you know, And so
it was hard watching it. And plus the edit is
a hard thing for me because I know everything, and
I don't like, I was like, yeah, so I was.
So that was hard, you know to see. But it
was also like, I don't know, I was overjoyed. I
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was just in tears. I was just super duper emotional grateful,
you know. But at the time, I was still dealing
with stuff, so I wasn't I still wasn't ready for
that part of my life to be over, you know
what I mean. And because it's just like her memories
just felt like my memories.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
And how did your life change after that?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I mean, I definitely got you know, there's ways in
which Billy made me a lot braver. I'm either braver
or more confrontational. I don't know, because I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Like brave though, to be able to not be passive
aggressive exactly and just.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Just and so so she she definitely like, well, she
was a little more explosive, you know what I mean. Like,
but but and there were just ways relationships changed. I
was in a relationship for four years that ended, you
know what I mean, because I'm a whole different person,
you know what I mean, And that was it was
really hard for me and for him, you know what
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I'm saying. At the time, because that's just not who
he signed up for.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Cigarettes.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Yeah, all the things, you know what I'm saying like that.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
And at the time too, I was just like, you know,
like I was mostly I've had like I'm being very graphic,
I have had oral sex and all this stuff, but
I haven't had like intercourse in ten years, right, like,
so you know, so it just I didn't cuss.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I didn't. It was a lot of things that I
had just you know, wait for ten years, yeah, for
ten years.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, So I was like and at the time, I
guess when we were filming what was it like, six
years whatever, I came to math girl.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Okay, clearly I didn't do that either, but that was
a require of hot today.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
But so anyway, it was just like, you know, it
was a different, different person, and so, you know, and
it just there were ways in which I became more confident,
but there were also ways in which I became much
more insecure, you know what I mean. It definitely affected
my singing voice, which just affected my even my love
for music, you know what I mean, Because when you
have this feeling that you sound terrible every time you sing,
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it's just like, you know, it's so it's so laborious,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Your new album sounds great.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I think some of it was recorded before, you know,
but it was just yeah, so it was that, there
was there was all of that, you know.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
It was.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
It was a long period of trying to figure out
who I am, you know what I mean, And and
then I finally got to a point where I was like,
all right, well I shouldn't be trying to go back
to who I was, because that's silly. Like you're changing
every day, you know what I'm saying, So every interaction
will change you. You get married, it'll change you, a new job, change,
So why would I think that one of these super
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impactful experiences wouldn't change me up.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
So I just accepted like this was a part of
preparing me for who.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
It is I'm supposed to be in this season, and
that that kind of helped, you know, just to prayer
and all this stuff to ground me. But yeah, it
did definitely impact myne And you.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Did get your voice back, yeah, yeah, I know there
was some issues with the hemorrhaging.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
And yeah, mostly though mostly I got it back. And
there's also a little bit where I'm just I'm a
little bit of a different singer, now you know what
I mean?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
And that's okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
So yeah, yeah, there was this rumor that at the NFL,
and I knew it was just a rumor, they find
you a billion dollars for singing the Black National anthem.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I was like, did you see this? I don't even
see that. It was a thing, like if.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
You look it up, because I'm not She was like
a billion, she was like, you know they I was like,
that is not true.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
She was They knew she was saying in the Black
National anthem.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
First of all, a billion dollars. Now, I don't even
know how economics work in the base of the money.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
All right, sign, how much did you think Billy paid me? Y'all?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Like, did you think they paid you for singing the anthems?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Out?
Speaker 4 (27:23):
And then they do? Not a billion dollars?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Speaking suitable, I gotta show you this in any realm
of life, sue somebody for a billion dollars?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
What about?
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Because I was like, uh, she actually was commissioned to
do that.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
They knew it was gonna.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Be my friends, Let that one go, friends.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Let there you go?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yes, hold on, wait, let's see. Oh my god, this
is so crazy. A lot of different rumors started coming
up after a billion, when people like they're like, oh,
she's a great now we care she's a great actor, right,
you know what I mean. Then it was like Brad
Pitts now my boyfriend. Now apparently I'm getting find a
billion dollars?
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Like I hear the Brad rumor, that's cute girl.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
It was after the Oscar I have never even met y'all.
Just I've never even met that man. Andrew Day fined
one billion by NFL sleeking black national after what in
the maga.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I'm glad you made the case. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I was able you guys, just I won, so I
was able to retain my billion, thank you.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
And then the NFL versus and to day thing.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Ever, the unprecedented find relaxed, They're not going to waste
a unpresident and find on me.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Like, well, that's been so funny, and so listen, how
did you prepare seeing how you prepared and did you
due diligence for Billie Holiday?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
How do you prepare for the deliverance?
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Man, So it's really funny, and it's funny because Lee
echoes this and I remember him telling me on set
and I was like, no way, because I have the feeling.
But I was like, I'm just tripping. Maybe this experience
of Billy's just further away from me, so I don't remember.
But it felt on set so much harder to play
Ebony than it did to play Billy, which I was
just like, what, how Like you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
I'm like why. So I prepared much.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
In the same way that I prepared with with Uh
with Billy, except it was less less interaction with the
subject that I was playing, because like Billy, we were
specifically doing Billy and trying to tell the story, you know,
lead us. He didn't necessarily want me to talk to
LaToya quite yet before we were, you know, filming, while
we were filming, because he was like, I want to
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make sure I want you to know about her story.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
So I made sure to do the research.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
And but I wanted I really want Ebony to be
her own actualized character. So he's like, it's not true
true biopic, you know what I mean? So I really
needed to.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Be Goodness because you would have had three kids, you
know what.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I'der staying My style is already said He'll give me
his little you know what I mean. So but yes, sorry,
y'all let me. I'm not I'm being too candid. I'm sorry.
But so anyway, So it was so he wanted to
develop his own thing with this, but it just felt
it was really interesting because I think I was able
to disappear more with and I think because I'm trying
to reconcile so much with who I am and all
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those different also because being an actor will come somehow
make you crazy because I'm just an amalgamation of.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
All of them.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
But but she was just too normal for me. Does
that make sense? Like she had all of her issues,
but she was so close like culturally and even in
the time period that it took place, like I remember
all these things, I remember this style, I remember and
so and just finding that that niche of like who
is this woman who you know she is of her environment,
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but she's also not super dupe, Like it's not gonna
be on the nose like John Da da da da da.
You know what I'm saying, drawn da da da, Like
she really wanted to kind of one of those women
that gets out of her environment.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
And I want to do something different.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I'm not gonna be like my mama because she's Ghatto
and she's you know what I mean, she one of them,
but she.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Is of her environment.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
So it was just a lot of super duper nuance,
a lot of internal Like Ebanie's very much like she's
not as explosive as Billy.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
She can be.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
She definitely can be, but I think she's a little
more calculating. You know what I'm saying, right, I get it,
And so it kind of made it more difficult to
play her. And Lee told me on set, he said,
you know this is crazy, Andrew, I actually think you
are better in the Deliverance than you were even in Billy.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Which to me, like Lee be making me cry all
the time. He'd be doing too much.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
He's making me cry, but after having the experience of
doing that movie, he should be.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
And I trust anything he says. I trust everything he says.
And that's why I tell people, how do you know
if you're good after I don't. If Lee says, cut,
we got it, that's how I know we got it.
That's it, you know, like one hundred percent, you know
what I mean. So I'm prepared by just you know,
preparing the motherhood. I went and spent time in Philly
as well too. I spent time with Miss Jade out there,
and and and and just a lot of figures, and
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spent time like in Philly, like with people from there
as well, because like you know, how it is like
you can't just drop into nice town and somebody said
and be like, hey, y'all, I'm preparing no, you know
what I mean, like respect, like you know, so I
wanted to make sure that I was like, you know,
but it and and without being so on the nose,
you know what I'm saying, just little touches and and
and then spending time with kids and what that means
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to just just have these three lives that are far
more important, you know what I mean than yours. Dealing
with alcohol addiction. I definitely was studying that in the
ways that it impacts you, what people are trying to
cover up with those things, and and then dealing with
like like you know, for me, it's like I always
tell people. I was like, I'm light skinned, but I'm
I really am mostly black. Like my mother is the
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mixed one, so she has more of that experience. And
so it was delving into that because my mom is
black and white, okay, And so just just diving into
that sort of experience with her. My mom, actually I'm
speaking candidly, she actually shared a lot more of the
same traumas that Ebony shared, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
So it was, but she's not gonna watch the movie.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
You said, no, she's not.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
So she just doesn't like horror.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Movie if it ain't on Disney. Plus, mom is not
watching it. She's like, protect my piece. Protect I'm violent
about her piece.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
So, but it was it was kind of hard to
diving into some of those things with my mom. I
don't want to open up those traumas for her, you
know what I'm saying, Like, and then diving into for
sure my own as well. But but yeah, it was
really an internal work of like, oh now we got
to talk about these things that we kind of kept
under wraps, you know what I'm saying, Like, now we
got to talk about the weird neighbor or the weird
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you know what I mean. Like, So, but but that
was and then just working closely with Lee, I worked
with Tasha again as well, So.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I, oh my god, she's amazing.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
When I tell you this, is a woman. It's just
you don't often meet people that believe in you even
more than you do, that might even want it even
more than you do for you, you know what I'm saying,
And that is her. She's an incredible director, incredible coach,
credible actress, like but she's also just an incredible mentor
and friend and like currently they've been a gift.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
You got it.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
I feel so bad. I'm like, all I'm spoilt.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
How is it talking to LaToya? Is that I haven't?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I still actually haven't. Yeah, I still actually haven't. You know, Okay,
this is so so I really wanted to be sensitive.
I think most people are like, how could you play her?
And I talk to her, Like I said, again, they
didn't want me to because at first, because it was
like we need to craft our own independent story. The
other part is this woman is still very much I
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you know, I have the number, and there are so
many times that I was praying.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
I was like should I reach out now? Should I
reach out now?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
And I just had yet because this is a really
traumatic experience for her, and I didn't want to do
the thing where I'm like, hi, I'm an actor and
I'm playing you so that I.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Could have the good LaToya story and dah da.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Da, Like she went through a lot, there are other
things that she went through that I will not speak
about now, you know what I mean. That she's still
dealing with the trauma of these things, you know what
I mean. So, like I think I wanted to be
fully distanced from the bigness and the craziness of this
that she really does not want in her life. She
is still a recluse, like to this day, even like
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when you watch documentaries of people trying to get her attention.
Even when Lee and the producers were trying to speak
to her, you know, it was she took a minute
for her to open up, you know what I'm saying,
and then she experienced some more trauma and shut right
back down.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Like so I just respectfully given yes.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
It's just like.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
There's so many big people calling her and she's clearly
unfazed by this because she's been through so much, and
so like I was like, eventually, I'm just praying about
like just just for God to open the door when
it's time to talk, and for healing and all these things.
I just don't want to exploit her life just for
the conversation, you know what I'm saying, because this is
real to her, still real to her.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah it is. That's traumatizing. I was traumatized watching it.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
And like they do have this documentary out you don't
find much. I think she's done maybe two interviews, and
you can tell it's uncomfortable, Like and there's a documentary
where they really could only talk to like her cousin
because she wouldn't even open the door, you know what
I mean. So I'm like, you just you don't want
to press into people's space like that. So okay, I
get really respectful, you.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
And then you have another movie coming out to.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yes, I'm so excited called Exhibiting Forgiveness. Yes, I was
able to play again with Anja new ellis. Who oh, y'all,
y'all you have to go see this movie. It's it's
it's really Titus Kafar as the director. He's a first
time director. Okay, he's actually an incredible painter, you know
what I'm saying, Like incredible artists, and so he's really
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reconciling the relationship with his father, who was unfortunately a
victim of the drug drug epidemic, you know what I mean.
And he's really wrestling with the idea of how to forgive.
You know, we know we should forgive, we're supposed to,
but we don't talk about how hard fought forgiveness really is.
And so it's this man he's trying to build a
life of health and freedom. And that's I thought these
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characters would be good for me too, because I was like, ooh,
she's healthy.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
She checks in with her right exactly where I could
be healthy.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
This So it's it's it's starring Andre Holland, Are new Ellis,
John Jelks myself, and it's just it's a really beautiful
story about a father son's story about forgiveness. But it
resonates just in any relationship you have where you're struggling
with forgiveness.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
You know, how is it for you working with another director?
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Now? Uh?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
It was scary at first because I listen to me,
listen I people tell me. I remember in the beginning, people, well,
they want you to I want to work with Lee.
I want to work with Lee. You can't only work
with Lee?
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I was like to explained to me, because guess what,
he already got another script in my in my in
my books already.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
And I'm gonna say, yes, I'm doing that one as
well too, you know what I mean. So he's my scores,
like why not Spike, Denzel Scorsese and you know Robert
de Niro?
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Why not? That is he is that director, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
So but it was great, I think because I'm such
a huge fan of his paintings. I was like, Okay,
I gotta see he's a visionary. I gotta see what
he's doing with this movie. And it was actually really
working with him was really amazing, and working with the
cast was really amazing because it's such a fantastic story
and like, I really wanted to be there. I was
(38:00):
truly a support, like not just like a support character,
but support on set, and I really wanted to make sure,
like the other actors did that this vision came to
life because I know it would.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Impact people like that.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
So it was cool. Working with a different director is interesting.
I watched him become a director on set as well too,
you know what I mean, Because there are moments when
he's a very nice person, and he wants to like,
let me make sure everybody did it, and he stayed
that way, but you get to a point where you realize,
I gotta get this done, you know what I mean.
So there were moments he would do things that actually reminded.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Me of leave. You know what I'm saying. So I
was like, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
You're betteran now apparently now you guys three times in right.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Well listen that deliverance.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
So it is going to be available on Netflix August thirtieth, August,
but it is going to be limited release in theaters.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yes, August sixteenth, is that correct?
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Yes, that's correct?
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah, okay, correct fifteenth, fifteenth?
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Fifteenth or sixteenth?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, one day Friday sixteenth, okay, all right, thirtieth on Netflix.
I'm not giving no spoilers, guys, but we definitely have
made a topic at of whether or not you've had
an interaction with any spirits.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I appreciate you for coming through.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Thank you so much, and I know you for having us.
Thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
No, this was really fun for me just to be
able to have this conversation.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
I enjoy this.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
I'm glad you asked that question too. That's a really
you get some interesting thing. It's interesting to me when
you ask that question. If people have spiritual interaction, how
many of them are the same.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
You know what I'm saying right listen.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
I think as a kid, we all had that experience
where you're like running, like you feel like something's behind
you going up the stairs.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
You got to turn the light constantly scare of the dark.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
But would be stupid when I was young, like, I
had a recurring dream and I had it when I
was actually on the set of The Deliverance, and I
haven't had it since I was like in middle school.
What it's this big ass tomato, like this giant tomato
you remembered.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
And it was my old house in Navy Housing.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
And there was like this great thing, you know what
I mean in front of the house like all houses
in the nineties. And I would be running and running
and running away from this big ass tomatoes and then
I would get behind it and then start shooting his
little angry baby tomatoes at me.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
That was splat all around all.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
But I think there's a movie about a giant horrible
You said we all had that dream.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
No, that was just me, Okay, I was gonna.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Say that anybody in here had that dream, and that
was just my I'm gonna google what a giant tomato throwing.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Baby tomatoes, the big tomato.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
There was attack of the giant tomato.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
This is why I don't need to be watching the
old ship.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Of the Giant Tomato. I tacked to kill a tomatoes.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
That's it. That's it.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
A higher film from nineteen seventy.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
And it literally was a dream that stuck with me
like my whole childhood.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
I was here oozing tomatoes go on the rampage, splattering
innocent victims.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
And then there was the.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Big winning Who's splattered. He's splattered right on my grill.
I don't know why I shouldn't have watched this movie.
And why would my mind grab onto such a dumb
one that has.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Something to do with your celibacy? For some reason?
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Why's she coming to me, y'all? It might be the images.
The images are crazy, all right.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
But thank you so much, y'all.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Make shall you take out the deliverance, Make sure you
pick up the Cassane, Well, listen to the Cassandra.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
I guess no one picks up albums anymore, right, right, exactly?
And the tour too, right.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yes, oh so m okay, so I might as well
say this now I can say it now, right yeah, okay,
so listen, here's the thing, y'all.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
So I had to postpone the tour, okay.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Because it was going to be in August, but we're
gonna do some dates actually in October now because we
didn't when we booked it. We didn't know when the
deliverance releasing or exhibiting forgiveness. So it was like, y'all,
they were trying to kill me. So it was basically
there were no days like I need to make sure
like I'm singing, you know what I'm saying, I'm singing.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
The microphone was on during tour.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Dates, so so basically it was no I'm I'm supposed
to be in like three different cities sometimes on certain
days it was there was no break. So I couldn't
promote do press runs for two movies and tour at
the same time because I felt like I'd be failing
in both directions, missing press dates, not giving good shows
because my waist is tired and all these things. So
we just decided, like, let me give my full self
(42:04):
to the press run of the deliverance because it deserves it,
press run of exhibiting forgeinness it deserves it.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
And then fully gave to what you have to do.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah, exactly, So I'm sorry to say all of the
refunds are there, you guys. I wanted to make sure
it wasn't messy. We will be making an announcement, but yes,
we did have to postpone it becauseuse because because.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Girl tomatoes, and that would be y'all.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Don't get no ideas, do not get no ideas.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
All right, Well, honestly, this is amazing.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
Yes, thank you well
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