I-Octane On His Visit With Vybz Kartel, Leaving Jamaica, Wild Experience: Hiding Under The Bed + More
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
What's angela ye, Angela yee?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And we have I obtained in the building for the
first time.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Yes, yes, yes, I got any I need.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
My glasses too, it's too shiny hair.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Yes, when I get done, I know.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
How's it going.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Man. So you said you were just in Bridgeport, Connecticut,
but you've been making some big moves.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I got so many things we got to talk about today.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Let's go, let's go, let's go to be on white.
I know you know well.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
First of all, I've been following your journey, yes, for
quite some time, and I know you had moved from
Jamaica to South Florida.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yes, and talked about how.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
And it's interesting to me because I feel like you
are very perceptive about things about yourself. You know that
it's sometimes hard for people to admit or or say
out loud, right, but you felt like it was necessary
for you to do that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, because if you don't speak up
when they need to speak, then who's going to speak
for you? I remember, no one knows what they're really
going to No one see it from your perspective, you
know what I mean. So I always process things and
look from that perspective and just looking to myself and
(01:15):
the better, the more I become a better person, then
I am better for society.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Right, So you're not a yearous anymore? Ah?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I mean no, no, no, no, no, but no the ladies,
the yeh majority of finds them as ladies. I'm alis
have this carries my thing when it comes to the ladies.
And you know, for me, for me, it's not just
only for me. A lot of ladies love me because
it's not only sex for me. You know, if alist
(01:50):
can have a conversation with them.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I have a lot of females out there where they
create a persona male to or they create of females
greater persona and live chough that persona. You know, the
person behind the persona. I have a lot of emotional scars, insecurities,
a these things. So people live choo what becomes the
sound track of their existence, which is their persona. So
(02:16):
when you can break through that persona, see that person
and accept that person, and then give that person can
constructive criticism and also motivate that person, then that person
will got places somewhere, you know, somewhere special in their world.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
That's good. I like this.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
And you also lost a lot of weight, and I
know that was a journey for you to when we
talk about people also having insecurities and things like that,
that was something even for you that you were really
open about.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, because again up to like two hundred and fifty
six spoons and a lot of people in even even
the music industry, I was like, yo, you know people
feel about people with yeah. You know, so a lot
of people in the music industry don't really actually the meals.
(03:07):
They don't really like acting like that. They don't really
like me like that because may have this this this
presence when you know, artists I said, I am the
best and I am the greatest, greatest, you know what
I mean, And artist walk with this light. So people
always get intimidiated by that presentation, you know what I mean.
(03:27):
But I'm speaking about myself, like I don't want to
be the best dancer. Artists are the best reggae artists.
I just want to be the best acting, you know
what I mean. So people don't like that. And then
I always invest in the production side of my brand.
You know, a lot of artists break, you know, then
(03:47):
by a couple of them soping a coup of cheat
and you know them by you have.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
How many changes do you have? I don't even know
how many.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I like up to fifteen all.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
All the ones too, by the way.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Not fifty today, but a lad yeah, because I think
for me, I think presentation is.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Everything, okay, And then you saw that and you were like,
you didn't like comments that people were making about your
weight and you didn't like how you felt.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I yes, I and bout it. So I also look on
the glass full at all times instead of half empty.
So whenever, because I might say something to you know,
and I might say it with the anger, I might
say it to a jealousy, but it might be the truth,
right because they will say, oh, you're fatty, Ata said that,
But I was really at that stage with you. So
(04:38):
I just look into it and say, all right then,
and then it's take kind of weightlass and then I
show the journey because we live in an era right
now where people don't show the end product. So nobody
showed the journey to the end product. That's why nobody
have no love. If you understand the love in the
world's less know, because everybody create this fascating where they
(04:59):
just posset and they just said, all right, I am
doing this. I am doing this, so you don't show
the journey where it's not easy. Yes, metraphic wake up
in the morning, Merafi do this, MEFI sacrifice, MEFI do this,
and this is the end product.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
It also makes you more accountable when you're posting your
journey for people to see. So it makes you feel
like I can't mess up because people are watching.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Point and that's done. I have I have other people
to whatever. Just said, Oh, you can't lose so much weight.
I try that for years, say you must do a surgery,
so you know what I mean, Like you.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Can watch it and see it.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Don't take you there long either, Like, given how much
weight you lost, it was what four months, five months?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I lose like one hundreds or something ponies in eight months.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Okay, Yeah, that's good, that's not bad.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah. And what I what I the losing weight start from?
From from it, from what you're consumed. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
They always say that because that's the number one reason
people gain weight is what they eat. Yes, and work
out and all of that matters, But diet's a bit
part of what I do.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I do lick a start. If if I can drink it,
I'm not consuming it. So I don't actually chew no
food for like eight one straight.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
You can put that fire chicken in a blender though.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
No, I don't need what I would like to see that.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
A little crunch. Yeah, how hard was that? Though? They
give up me.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
No, I don't like twenty years over, you know what
I mean? But while again do it again? Success and
then you know what I mean, I get comfortable.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
And everybody's having drinks.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah. And when you get comfortable and you know, and
then you have your we as drum make and we
can express ourselves as meal. I want to express ourselves
as male. And let me say, delicate your feet, you know, yeah,
you know you have this female tendency, tendency and you know,
so we grew up where we keep our emotion in.
(07:00):
You know, we battle up with this emotional and emotional
scarce just because I want to show this march aside
and this this type of vibration to fit in right
to be a part of you know, be a you know,
to blending, you know what I mean. You just just
want to coexist. So when you get success on your
startup money you start of everything nowhere you know, the
(07:22):
nose ninety percent that the knows don't become yes. You know,
people knows that, the tailor know them, continual teller. Yes.
So you get caught up into the world everybody telling
you yes, and you know, you're putting on weird and
you're really getting at shape and people, I said, look good,
you know.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
You have yours a baller belly. You got a ball belly.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, you talk to some girl and I must say no,
man like it get teddy beer style and this, and
when you lose it, oh baby, you're you know what
I mean? Yes, you're living at this world where you know.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
So you know, And let's talk about that a little
bit because, for instance, a song like Sorry, which is
something that is very introspective and you talk about your
karma on there and people that you've heard, what exactly
were you going through when you wrote that song, because
it feels like there were some specific people that you
wanted to apologize to.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, because I was carrying this burden for years. Because
success and fame is you know, it can really take
away the human side of you. You know, my first
hid song, I was sixteen and I'm coming from a
background with single period, no father, you know, no mentor
(08:40):
just people around us in my community. You know, we
looked up to and when we look up to that individual,
they don't really have a solid foundation. So we look
up to these individual and we grew up with these
things embedded in us, you know. So yeah, yeah, you're
sixty in your feelings, it's and you want to be
(09:01):
a gale. You want to do this, and they start
to have kids to start to you start to travel,
you start to do all over the world. So you
have our kids who are growing up without you because
I am in Japan doing that to work and my
my one of my kids them having a graduation. I
can be in Japan and being so you do a
lot of things. And then girls that they're going to
(09:25):
the same thing because you're coming from the same background, right,
So there there are also single parents that everybody is
looking away out. So everybody want to wrap top each other,
existence in each other, you know what I mean. So
you know, people have different things and then you're not
arow and a lot of people where this were more
advanced than you to show you a lot of things.
(09:46):
So you have to do child and and learn along
the way. So you're doing your best and your basis
casts in a lot of earth along the line. Right,
So you might seminal, you might say, yo, acting do
something to me today, But I'm too near the forest.
I can answer the cheese. So you're looking at I
disrespect it, but I don't see it, you know what
(10:07):
I mean. And people don't. People don't take a people
you know, human beings don't really take countability for their mystics.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, some people will never come to the realization.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
No, So it's just it's just a therapy for me. Right,
So I just expressed myself and then I move on.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, because it felt like you could even admit, like
I'm the problem.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I am the problem and listen, people out there that
is listening. If you have problems, sorrown you. Even if
you're not the problem, you're the commandnaminator, right, So if
you're not the problem and you are the common denaminated,
the problem stems from you.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So you have to look into that, right, And like
you've said, like if things keep doing, you keep doing
the same thing, you'll get the same results.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yes, it's like taking show and I raincourt. You don't
be it.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
All the metaphors and analogies. Have you ever done therapy
because it feels like a therapy session.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Yeah, I do it free of course, like like for
a lot of people because I help like more than
tosan like over tosand people.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
To lose it, that's great, that's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I talk to them, get them numbers, send them recipe
and keep up. Yo, I lose twenty four and three weeks,
I lose you know what I mean? And I speak
to people like you know, even there before yesterday and
kind of people calling me yo, I have this problem
in my relationship, and I was like, yo, you know,
so I talked to people dearly like give them because
I got.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You it right? Who do you talk to?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I don't talk enough because because when I talk to
you is like terrap if for me, that's why I
sing at the music is like my yeah, it is
tozans and songs lose a friend. Yeah, I sing a lot,
and so when I talk to you, you know, it's
like that. And then my experience, my personal experience, I
don't I don't talk about something that I don't put
myself to. Right, So you have a lot of you
(11:57):
to call me you know who you know, growing up
growing up in crime and violence, going jail, going in prison.
I grew up the same way. When I was growing up,
I was my friends, there was in crime and violence.
I was a part of that too. I went to jail.
I have all of these experiences, so you know what
I mean. I shot at and I've been shot at,
(12:19):
you know what I mean. And I see people die
in front of me. You know, retaliation from oversight actually
take life. So I've been to all of the these
first and experience, so I can give people that perspective,
like look at it this way, you know what I mean.
And then I always teach people about life. It said
like people don't understand. Said, you know, like three days ago,
(12:43):
I was just telling somebody that is more older than me,
like them just can't accept life, like them can't fathom it.
And I was like, yo, life in flash is temporary.
You know, every human beings ever expiraed it. And two
twenty twenty four, twenty twenty four, so five I was
(13:07):
in this room. I don't think none of none of
other other of five, we don't thin. I don't think
anyone of us going to live, say the twenty third century.
So there's is if we make at the age that
we are now, if we make twenty fourth century, we're
(13:28):
going to be a hundred and something years.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
What do you think happens after you die?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Your spirit don't die. You don't die because it exist
before the earth, So you don't. Life force don't die.
But your flesh have I expired it. So whatever work,
whatever work you put your put in earth, whatever legacy,
and leave. That is a reward after flesh. That is
where your spirit gets, you know, reward from the Creator himself,
(13:58):
the almighty got themselves. So you replace in different dimension
and even on Earth may become recon it back in
something different. But life itself, life force gonna die mm hmm.
But you yourself. That's why people is not always tell
people is not life, undb it's life. And it's too
all world life and live because that is inevitable, right,
(14:21):
You don't matter what, it's still gonna die. So if
you live and don't live, you're still gonna die. And
if you live and live, you're still gonna die.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Okay, that's a good way.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
So you've been living, yeah, because you never know?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, yeah, And I think even like with your music.
Like you said, it is like therapy for you.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
You know, things that you've been through and you've been
very vulnerable in your music, which sometimes people don't necessarily do.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, because people always seeking valid want to be validated.
People there don't try to be validated by the next
human being because the judga, every judge of a judge,
every person that is going, every person that is fighting
you and fighting you with your career, somebody is fighting
them also, you know what I mean. And a lot
(15:07):
of people try a lot of things. It don't necessarily
mean that it's it's it's it's intentional. It's just that
you're the only outlet for them. You have a lot
of people who see a lot of things about me
and the media and do a lot of things, and
I'm like, well, maybe I'm just the therapy for you.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Right, so you can get the best to look at
it your therapy.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, because when you're really check it. It don't start
me from if you don't like me. It don't start
me from me money, don't start me from being successful.
It don't start me from the people come to my stage.
So it don't start me from when we wake up
in the morning. I'm still annealing and exeling, and that
is the greatest thing, right you understand, and anything that,
anything that is given to you by a human being
(15:51):
can be taken away.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, no, you're right.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
So once you know that, then you know that life
is just for living and you just leave it right
and set the legacy, you know, do it the right way.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You know. How was it?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
And I saw your vlog that you did when you
went back to Jamaica to perform for the first time
in four years after you had been gone for four years,
and you were like, I'm not going to do any
shows here, you know, because you felt like you've kind
of done the same thing, done it all, and then
came back.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
What was that day like for you to come back
and see all the love that you were getting.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I love Jamiica, like whoa, And I think I have
one of the most one of you know, my journey
in music is totally different. I never I wasn't popular
in music. I'm a star, like a mega star in music,
you know, so, and what whole I emerge on the
(16:42):
scene in music is different. It never rere knocked. And
it's the first and only because when I get the
break in music. If it never affiliated with a camp
or a team, you could have never it would never
get a break. You have to and I break at
my old And when I imagined that, the major producer
(17:05):
when I got to the mem say your vice is
not rough enough. And when I got to the reggae producer,
them say you can't. You're just singing off you sing jay.
So I have to create a niche for myself. So
this sing jay niche that they're hearing, it's me created.
It's me created singing and dance salaryms. Because before me,
(17:27):
you have people who sing and reggae rythms, reggae songs.
I have people who sing dance salary and dancers. I
sing cultural reading, cultural song and dance salaryms. So I
just create that niche for myself because I know I
(17:47):
have the talent. Definitely do I know have the talent.
And then when I leave school, I leave school with
a lot of subjects. I was of like distinction and
principle of business. So when when I went in to
the music, I was like, what is this a music business?
I see a lot of people when I went to
the music and was like, burn corporate. I don't want
to do Carpriate. What I said, I can't burnt carporate
(18:10):
because when you go to the statue and the banners
them and everything, if they say I had to read
a post behind it when you're profiming, that means that
I had reader. It's one of the big sponsors, and
I had reader. I've set the cast that you take,
the peer that you take. I had really give the
promoter that to give you, so they're paying you indirectly.
(18:31):
So what I do. I am the first youth in
music that is a rasta would rasta Phi signed to
corporate like thirteen Corporate Company Street. And it was like,
oh you do that because I have the business mentality.
So when I enter into the music, I see nobody
doing that. So I just pushed my burn to Carpriate
(18:52):
and I'm like my vibe, I'm like, you know where
my edge space at? And I can you know what
I mean? You know, sell the product and do the
product and I get to a lot of people, then
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
So I do I do I feel like you get
credit for that?
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Not really, not really, I don't. I don't get I
don't get a lot of credit in the music industry.
Or to the music with the funds them. Fine, I
don't get a lot of credit. Like me is the
best profumer out the New School. There's no other. I
just can't proform like me, not the New School.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
You know, it's interesting because you've been around for so
long you still consider yourself new school because you've.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Already had Because because I cannot disrespect elephant, you know,
because you know mother, I cannot disrespect being the man
and spruga and turbulence, you know, just a feeling. Yeah, business,
you know what I mean. I cannot disrespect these people,
(19:53):
you know what I mean? So I can look and
fire Queen Africa. I can because these people are already
paved the way. What after that comino?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, listen, and speaking of vibes cartels and you just
brought them up, you know, that was a big deal
that he's home.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, my bigger Vibes card.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You know right now? What was that like for?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Like, where were you when you heard the New Spice
posting herself just landing and obviously they have.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
A great relationship.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah, my bigger vibes guard that I am. I am
the only male artists one of the big artists who
went to visit my brother, like my friend, like you
know what I mean. So you know a lot of
people will never go go you know, you have a
lot of females like Spices and other artists and you know,
(20:41):
Seeker Rhymes and other artists. But me, you just you know,
visit And because I used to the jail system, and
I understand. And I understand because for me, I leave
Jahmica for a while because they tried to imprison me.
They tried to imprison they tried to put me, to
put me in prison.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Like so that's why you left.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
That one of the reason because because they're saying that
acting I have this type of friends and involving a
this a name of these type of people are friends,
and that type of people are friends, and these type
of people are friends. I'm from the Garrison and I'm
a multi million you're superstar from the Garrison. I don't
(21:23):
buy Garrison people. Guns. I don't buy you know, there's
no individual and Draymaica, which is that done? I can
ever say involving any criminal activities, Yes, you're done. Will
know what you do, you know what you have to
don the community. But you're a human being at first,
(21:46):
and you have other things. Right. So I'm from the
Garrison community. So if if you a lot of people
from the Garrison community that is involved in crime and violence,
I want to go into music. I said, that is
what you should do with the time. Alatter them, I'm
the first one who turned them into a producers. As
I get a reading, a vice fear, it becomes they
(22:06):
eat songs a vice vield, vice field. Turn yourself gave
and do something constructive. Man, keep some cheap, do something constructive.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Because they can see there you did it.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, because I've been there, and that's somebody that's more relatable.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
But so when you're burin a society want to take
you away Jamaica having this bringing thing that is going
on where society take the most important people from the
lower class and isolate them and keep the lower class suppress.
You understand, So they want to take me away. So
(22:40):
I don't put a substance in the individual was them,
you know what I mean. But if they don't, if
they don't live that life, you cannot understand. If you
never if you never suffer before, you don't understand Bavati Right,
So it's a teen line between that you can't go
to school for it, and you can have a prospective
of it, but when you're live it, you know what
(23:01):
I mean. So I live it and I have a
you know, deal with that. Teach you the variety. Do
this thing, don't do that, don't involve in crime and violence. Yo,
you think about like ever live in the country, like
change your life, do something like that. These are the
you know, the encouragement that give this individual this and that.
(23:23):
So I just decided, you know what you want to
do it Vibess Gardalan and I a child, I did me,
you know what I mean? And then I come to
find it with the mentality like am I like I'm
a young artist right now, totally young artists. This is
a different market, right, Nobody know me. That is the
mentality I have. Nobody know me, this interview that I'm doing,
(23:47):
it is my first big interview, Like even though I do,
this is the mentality because this is a different market.
I'm starting from scratch, like I want to break internationally. Right.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
No, that's interesting because because I I've always looked at
you just from knowing your music as having so much history,
but you and this is how I kind of grind
with my show where yeah, but I act like it's
a brand new show.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
People don't know me. Yeah, because I used to be
on the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
But this is my own thing now, So I'm okay
with grinding it out and starting off like no one
knows who I am, like it's brand new.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
And if you make fifty percent, that's you, okay, if
you're working for me, if you're if you're an employ
if you're an employee, you make a one hundred percent.
Only twenty or ten is years, right, So if you're
maybe fifty that this is you. H you know, this
is what you come early, because yeah, I see myself
as if I come as a superstar, I'll be just
(24:41):
walking through the door.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Because you walked in here.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
You were about twenty minutes early, which is amazing because
I'm like most people are late. There's traffic, and you
were like, we didn't know how much traffic. The team
was like, we don't know what the traffic is going
to be. Like that's how I am too.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I'm always planning to.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Get there early because people people always a lot of
a lot a lot of especially dance, all music and
reggae musical. A lot of people. When I get established
music is not on their paroity list anymore, right, so
they have a parody list, but is not and what
(25:14):
the music that makes them this famous is not on
their party list? So the party is a car, the jewelry,
the girls, this liqua, party, everything, But what makes you
into this? You're not?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Were you always like that or did you become like that?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Because you know sometimes when you get into this business
first it is nice to be able to get the money,
the jewelry, the cars, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
The girls.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I'm always like that because poverty scares me because it
gives me it. Really, it really scarred me because my
mama five of us, she alone, you know, she's a vendor.
She's sell on the road side. I sell every single
thing on the roadside. Deally like suffaration. So I wasn't
(25:58):
I wasn't poor. I was b and be low or poor.
I was below a poverty. So going back to that stage, no,
So I always consistent. I went people, I said, no, man,
you're read no after continual, continual continue because you don't
want your kids? Then come got your way, you got
(26:19):
you and then you know, not even just your kids
and alone other people who who invest in you and
work with you and them their on every day. I
sacrifice them life every day, so I have to make
sure so them are right for them kids. All right,
the environment all right? You know, yeah, so go hard
every day, like think about it.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
You know when you talked about.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
We talked about so many different things, but let's go
back to the karma situation. What are some things you
feel like you've done to try to write anything from
your wrongs from the past when you think about karma,
because we always feel like, all right, I'm taking accountability.
I'd entry people, well, I didn't do this, I didn't
do what I was supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Everybody would feel like I mean around macall and myself
and have a conversation with them and we're good, like
you know what I mean, Carl and myself have a
conversation with them.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Do you consider yourself having friends in this business?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Because I remember years ago you said you don't like
to say that you have friends in this music business.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Do you feel like you have friends?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah, I've like, yeah, friends, our friends, our friends and
the music I have business friends of friends. Were you know,
does Carl and well a vibanting but my life don't
allow me to have too much like a personal type
of friend in the music because I am so busy
I can't get a play some footballer and some soccer
(27:44):
video that men. No, you know, it's rare. But I
have people where you know, you know, converse, you know,
we have a conversation and I might you know, record
a song as a hold this song, you know what
I mean. But in the music business, friends, friends is
(28:05):
very it's a hard word. It's a hard word, especially
dancer and reggae music people. It's very fragile. You know,
you make a decision for yourself and and you're not
you're you know, a individual don't included and they're just
don't do immediately.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
So you know, how do you respond when your fans
because obviously you care about that. But your music it
doesn't always fit like a specific genre. It might not
even be it does. Sometimes it doesn't even sound like
a reggae or a dancehall song. It just is like
your own thing. Like you said, you kind of created
your own lane too.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Because after after after I'm doing my first hit song
is two years ago. It was a seventeen anniversary, like seventeen.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Years so after that, what is your first hit song.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
My first hit song is stop vampy yourselo. They gonna
tell you what toda. So after I travel so much
and do it over and do it over, then you
find out that when I when I just get established,
my main audience was mostly male, like to me the
(29:15):
social commentary and you know male, and then it becomes
more female. So when I travel so much, you have
different diverse characteristics involved. So I look at my fans
and I said, my funds grow so I might sing
a song and the core fans say that is not
for us. So but the girls them like it. Are
(29:38):
these people like it? And I know why I do
it because I have all different type of funds. So
when I do dance, all my regga fans them don't
like it. Is that crazy regga funds them was like, yo,
we love you do dance. We like you to dancer,
but we like going to do reggae and I want
to do reggae dance fans and I say you we
like when I do reggae. What but what what happened
(29:58):
on that that might bless mate with with with with
the talent that I can do just as good, just
as good. So I just continue to do it and
then in the music. In the music, I don't have
like you don't have like ten artists like me because
I song, I can do a reggae song and I
sung totally different from a dancers song. You have artists who,
(30:22):
don't get me wrong, you have artists who do dancers
song and reggae song. Well you can't identify like from
you hear it, you know that's them. Yeah, and may
have songs that when you hear it you know no
one you know what I mean? So that's all creative
I am.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
One of my favorite songs is unfair Games. But of
course I'm like that fair Games.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, big of curvy, Yeah, big of curvy, big good
good production, and I mean big of favy producer work
and big up good good production.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Of course I like that because you know she talking
hers on there too.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yes, you know, you know I did that song that
I did it by myself. I did the song by myself,
like write it and recorded and already man, the producer
was like, yo, you need a female exactly because what
you're saying, you can't really say that to you. So
you know, have you ever been cheated on a lot
(31:16):
of times, yo, when yo, when you are Gellius and
have more than one on one, come out right and
notice and then and then you're not You're not to
have time for me and no one right right because
you're so you're so, you're out in the world. You're
doing what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Does it hurt your feelings when it happens to can
you be like? I deserve that?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I really did. I get that won that never deserved
though I guess that I was actually in the hearing it.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Wait what, no, slow down, please go back and tell
me the story.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
So I met this girl, right, I met this girl, yo,
the tear. So I met this girl and she invited
me to our home. So I live in a different community,
so I went there. And when I went there, you know,
she says she lives. She and her mom live together,
(32:14):
but her mother gun, I works her mother, our mom
leave gun. So I went there hurly. So you know,
she was like, yo, you want some food. She got
to cook some food. Jo makers love cook. Okay, so
I actually take my take my money up my pocket
giver should go and buy what buy cook? I don't
really meet. So she cooked something different from me, all right,
(32:36):
that's nice. Yes, So you know she cooked the food
like don't playing and all these things and then greens,
and then she cooked me for herself and and I
was there, you know, and then I hear him. Then
I hear her. She said, oh, come come, leave, live, leave,
(32:58):
he's coming. I was like, who can you say? You
don't have no man? What are you talking about? But
toward all the all the buildings set up now is
one way in, one way out, so I can't come out.
Now you're in the closet, so may have a run.
Got under the bed.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Oh my god, this is like a movie. So you're
under the bed and the man reach.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
The man was a soldier. So what happened? Now? He
he She think he was at work, but you know
him just pop up sudden you got papa because because
he's just a girl and him.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Have to write.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
But she tell him that's her me and man, okay,
watch him does papa? So him pop up and he's
a soldier. I was like, yo, all right, then we
are pros and kinds and said, all right, listen, just
make sure she leave this house.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
With with your life, right, you're right about that.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
So I was there hyding under the bed and the
man come and said, and when the man entered.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
The doors, babes cook, I got you some dumplings.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
It might be a cook. So she mine was like,
so why is sher twol food? She was like yo,
oh man, you know we kid in. You're like, she
was like, yo, I cook this, and I then my
mind changed, so I just cooked that. So it's my
mind and you know that the man can see my
plate of food.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
And you gotta sit here and listen to all this
under the bed.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
And the man going out with some something then sex
the world entire night after Black Cork was like, yo,
you gotta kill me. Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Wow, story, So you had to be under the bed
the bed they were having sex on.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yes, be right, because the bed is so why is
she why was she not inside the bed? Oh my?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Why was she not like yo, let's go out or
like she should have did something out of there so
you could get out.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
And then so this is like maybe six six pm
in the evening, six pm and then you know him
come and him leave like two three am in the morning.
So you know, the pressure woman got you like, you
know this is terrible, Yes, it's very terrible.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Did you take a nap under the bed at least?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, asleep?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
What have you started snoring?
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Yeah, I've never.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Quick.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Anyway, I'm going. And the girl when him leave, the
girls like.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
She was like there's still food left. She was your life,
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
And then when the man leave, now she'd go and
have a bat And then she was like, well she
never planned for it, and she should have told me
the truth. But if if me still will have sex
before we leave, that's a girl. Come like, you're crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I can't believe you stayed while she took a shower.
Did all of that?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
No, because it was two am and three am in
the morning and she living in a garrison community. Okay,
so I didn't want to walk from room because I
don't know it years, because I didn't want to walk
from to the bus stop. And then now because them
times I was taking the bus, so I didn't want
to walk from there to the bus stop. And then
(36:21):
anybody tried.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
To hear you can't go to nobody's house after.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
That, from that day in Jamaica, I went, I went
to the hardware store and I get four part loucks.
So if i'm if I'm talking to you, I'm not
coming to your home if if you don't have grill
on your home. I have grill, okay, So when I
come to you, I take off your part locks and
put right so anybody outside still tide when I'm leaving.
(36:48):
Then I took mine and put.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
On in years so they step you from doing it.
You just had to go back.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
No. Never, I never really do that but one until times.
But I never really do it after and then and
then it teached me a lot where teach my life
in a savage mood where.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, you don't trust women after something like that, and then.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
May have this million a girl and I don't really
care about them, and that is I just do whatever
I want to do with them. And but then I
realized that hurt people. Hurt people.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
You're right about that. That is quite a lesson to learn.
Not be honest. You didn't stay and do anything, No, okay,
I just want.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
To make sure I was traumatized. Everyone's was a law.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
It wouldn't even work.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
You no go to work, good work, because I always
didn't get well. Like this man was maybe outside seeing me,
you know what I mean. So I was just speaking.
I was seeking somebody.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Thank God, you're alive, because that's the main thing.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
And that more me into this individual where you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
How did you get out of that?
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Like? How are you able to trust now you know
from moving on past that? Or are you still not?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah? Because because why not trust when you make mistakes
every day? Only a perfect person not supposed to trust.
That don't mean I didn't have to be protective or
aware and be wise and don't overapply yourself. But I'm
(38:22):
not the type of person where a million girls don't
do me something, but then a meet and then I
use that to judge you because you don't do me nothing,
you know what I mean? So words of other work
can sustain? Can I sustain in my work? So I
cannot use this. I know it's possible with you, and
I have to look out for it. But if I
(38:44):
use this to contual you, then I may become a
tyrant and countual in life. And here's an entity by yourself.
There's not a remote, it's not a TV. I'm not supposed.
I don't think I supposed a program yea, because if
I the programming to you for you be lial to me.
What about when I'm going for six month tour. Then
(39:08):
you have gotta mess up. So I want you to
do it naturally, you know what I mean. So I
can I use that to judge you, and I don't
really use people past to judge them. Everybody ever passed.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah, imagine if people judge you by your parents.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah, because my past was wild and violent and all
type of something.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
You know, this feels like a movie.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Yes, was while I'm violent. So you have a lot
of girl who back in the past or have a
lot of sexual partners and analyst things where you know,
do the line. I end up talking to them and
then they be the best girl told me even do
them off that past day because everybody ever passed and
everybody got to a lot of things, and why there
was going tweet or the greatest thing is to learn
(39:49):
from it. You know.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
All of this makes me think of the song Frozen Heart. Yes,
that you have talk to me about writing that song.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
I don't really right, you know, you're just going and
just go in and do it.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
What was on your mind that day.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
It just depends on the vibe and we wake up
with coman is that you I can't see my later knowledge.
The greatest thing is to know right. So every day
I get up, I try to learn something new. I
don't try to try that farm my daughter. I learned
something right, So I just apply that to my life,
and then I might just wake up in our mood
where I was, I'm like, yo, them really then really overlooked,
(40:33):
like my talent and MA really overlook this, and so
might innother mood that we're you know, why people are
going to them, were over look this is the greatness,
like you know what I mean. And then I'll just
write a song towards that, and then sometimes I get
some riadims and the idea comes from.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
The riadim, right, No, I mean the whole album I
Am Great? Did you get backlash from a title like that?
Speaker 3 (40:57):
I mean I love it, yeah, man, because people don't
like when people don't like when it, especially Black people,
because we've been through so much things and we you know,
and we don't go to therapy for it, and we
don't you know, we don't relieve all of these stress
(41:17):
and we're coming from slavery with this will Lane scene
somewhere when I see you with the same color, the
same similar backgrown. Now you're from the black side, where
you're Mexican you're from that side, right. I want you
(41:37):
to be great, but not before me. Okay, I want
you to be rich, but not more than me. But
I can accept a different color, like a white person
to be rich, to be greater than me, and I
accept it. But once you look away that I don't
want it. And how do I feel? How do I
feel this way about it? And I don't know you?
So these are embedded insecurity. It's not you is insecurity.
(42:00):
That is embedded in me. Why I feel so about you?
I never do me nothing wrong, so I have to
fix that.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
It's about yourself when you bring that out.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Kamala Harris running for president here in the United States,
and people will say that, you know, she's Jamaican and
she's Indian, but I've heard people say that she's not black,
and people will say that Jamaican is not black.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
And I've never understood that you can be black and Jamaican.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
You're black by the melanin in your skin and your derms.
It don't matter the bloodline and where're coming from because
you're on a Caucasian.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Right, It's always been like I don't I don't understand
this whole narrative.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Certain Puerto Rican you're black. Mexican, you're black. Africanis you're black.
You have different shades of black. And you don't necessarily
mean by your skin. You understanding the matter, which as
long as you come from if you come from people Morocca,
is in Africa, if you come from you're black. If
you come from this, you're black. You come these, you
(43:01):
are black people. Israelites, you are black people. You're black people.
Is just different shades and different.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
There are white Jamaicans though.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
White Jamaicans.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Well, you could be born in Jamaica and be white,
because then you'd be Jamaican.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's it. That's what if you have
a Jamaican peerent with no no, no, your crash like
Bob Marley have white and black and you know what
I mean. So, yeah, you're black, you're a black person.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
What do you think of that Babe Maley movie? Did
you watch it?
Speaker 3 (43:28):
No? I never watch it?
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Okay, is there a reason why or do you want
to watch it? Or you just haven't.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
I never watched it because I heard so much mixed
review and then another people said the story didn't really
give didn't really give Bob Maley the right Old look,
so the story was more from like Ziggy Miley perspective
and Maley perspective. So it's more like looking to Ruta
(43:55):
eyes and Ziggy Maley eyes than from Bob Maley perspective.
So it's like your child and your wife telling us story.
So it wasn't like from like right, so try so
it's so historical for us to we hear so much
mixed reviews like that.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
It was hard because by Marley, there's so much you
can't even do a movie that's just yeah, a.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Lot of people saying that because people say a lot
of people saying, all right, but in Jamaica and get
your him, come to England, you know when you go
to England and just play some football and then come
back at your Maican, but may do a lot of
different greetings. So all these things don't incorporate into the thing.
And you know, addther kids them towards it exists and
(44:41):
you know everything. But this is the mixed review that
I heard never. I never really watched it for myself,
so I can't really give it. But he is a
great movie and I love Big.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Your own story too though, you know, even for you,
I think like you said a lot of people don't
know your full story, and you feel like it's time
now for you to be able to really start telling
that story.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yeah, man, documented so people can learn from it. My story,
my story. Don't really have no pride in it. You know,
you don't really have no pride. I'll probably give your
bunches and limit you because pride are gonna make you
think that, oh, this person is gonna think this of me. Right,
but that person is still in the n X is
(45:26):
not That person is not God. So what you don't
care if they want to think this, boy, But your
story is supposed to impact a lot of people because
but Maley died thirty six and he's still the greatest artist.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Yeah, he's one of the biggest stars in the ever
in the way ever existed.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
But Maley internationally, Maley is.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
The biggest star that ever existed in music. And I'm
not speaking about fame wise. I have people bigger than
Bab Maley fame wise, but impact wise. But Maley is
a glue start impact wise. You have a lot of
start in America. Only beg in America, right, like huge
in America. When you come with America, they're like Ray,
(46:09):
I have a letter start big worldwide. But they said, oh,
Bob Maley impact the world. Bob Maley impact the world.
Every rap artists, every every calypse, every race, every race,
every every drawn romo place is in the world that
I don't know a lot a major star in America,
(46:31):
but they know.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
They definitely do. He's got all didn't think coffee.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
He's everywhere in the world. I said, Jamaica above Maley.
You know what I mean. And I think the government
of Jamaica should make Bob Malia nationally right now.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
You know what I want to ask you to with
your success, thinking about where you came from, with you know,
five of you, your mom, how did that impact the family,
Like how how were you able to to uh like
when you when you did get successful, talk to me
about getting your mom straight and getting the family straight,
because that's also difficult to when you're the one that's
(47:10):
really like making the money.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Yeah, money is nothing when they over there management money, yo,
trust me, money mean nothing to me. Watch my kids
straight and everybody straight and these things. You don't mean
nothing to me like that because when when I get
to establish, there's nothing too good forgive my family my mother,
my mom, my mom my mom. Literally like cook food
(47:36):
the people, just to send us the school so I
can repeat anything what you want anything with My kids
them want the people and that is connected to me,
even my enemies.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
And you give your enemy staff stop it.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Yeah, man, God to feed them with a lang strap
because because because because who don't like you know, because
remember I don't think about today, think about twenty years after. Okay,
so who is the enemy today can be the best
friend twenty years after. So you have you are for
just continent a good all right?
Speaker 2 (48:09):
How many kids do you have?
Speaker 3 (48:14):
No number, no number, no number kids?
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
When they're like what yeah you got my kids, we
got my son, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah yeah, Well listen, thank you so much for joining
me for.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
It is always a pleasure to see you talk. And
you know, a new project on the way, what's coming on?
Speaker 3 (48:42):
A new project will have we'll have us sang name
backers for the girl said, so the new the videos
coming out soon, look gord for that.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
You got the clean versions?
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Have the clean version. Yeah. And I also have a
reggae album that is finished, like completely done for twenty
I'm going to release it, you know, maybe January twenty
twenty five, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Why are you holding on so long for it?
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Maybe? But I'm going to drop a single before that, okay,
And then you know, because I wanted nomine I want
to put it the right time so you can get
nominated for the Grammar.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Oh gotcha, Okay, I know when to.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
Release music right. Yeah. And that album is a great
album of collaboration with Gentleman of Steve Maley and the
album of demark On, the album of pint On, the
album oh Wow. So yeah, man is a powerful album
for the reggae people and many people. Then we'll say
acting and we need that thing. So we have that
for the rest of year, and we're going to some
(49:37):
dance a music and just going you know, put on
some songs.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
You could do it all.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Well, just do it all and then you know, look.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Out for that some Aprobast collaboration.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
Have a new collaboration coming up with Stone Boil look
out for Oh okay, we like yes stone boy brother,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Said that the markt he's doing the Mark or.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
Yes, the Bigger yourself and my brother that have a
new collaboration coming out with nice you boy.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Okay, we go up that.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
You know, we have a collaboration with Cranny Clak you
know where do Wolper.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Work and do some more with the ladies too.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
I like that, Yes, I like the ladies. Manale. We
have Wolper sang for the ladies, honey, no wonder for
the Monday and take care of the ladies then thank you. Yeah,
all right, that's love. Respect, respect, It's way up, way up.
What's angela ye, Angela yee?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And we have I obtained in the building for the
first time.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Yes, yes, yes, I got any I need.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
My glasses too, it's too shiny hair.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Yes, when I get done, I know.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
How's it going.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Man. So you said you were just in Bridgeport, Connecticut,
but you've been making some big moves.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I got so many things we got to talk about today.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Let's go, let's go, let's go to be on white.
I know you know well.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
First of all, I've been following your journey, yes, for
quite some time, and I know you had moved from
Jamaica to South Florida.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yes, and talked about how.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
And it's interesting to me because I feel like you
are very perceptive about things about yourself. You know that
it's sometimes hard for people to admit or or say
out loud, right, but you felt like it was necessary
for you to do that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, because if you don't speak up
when they need to speak, then who's going to speak
for you? I remember, no one knows what they're really
going to No one see it from your perspective, you
know what I mean. So I always process things and
look from that perspective and just looking to myself and
(01:15):
the better, the more I become a better person, then
I am better for society.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Right, So you're not a yearous anymore? Ah?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I mean no, no, no, no, no, but no the ladies,
the yeh majority of finds them as ladies. I'm alis
have this carries my thing when it comes to the ladies.
And you know, for me, for me, it's not just
only for me. A lot of ladies love me because
it's not only sex for me. You know, if alist
(01:50):
can have a conversation with them.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I have a lot of females out there where they
create a persona male to or they create of females
greater persona and live chough that persona. You know, the
person behind the persona. I have a lot of emotional scars, insecurities,
a these things. So people live choo what becomes the
sound track of their existence, which is their persona. So
(02:16):
when you can break through that persona, see that person
and accept that person, and then give that person can
constructive criticism and also motivate that person, then that person
will got places somewhere, you know, somewhere special in their world.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
That's good. I like this.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
And you also lost a lot of weight, and I
know that was a journey for you to when we
talk about people also having insecurities and things like that,
that was something even for you that you were really
open about.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, because again up to like two hundred and fifty
six spoons and a lot of people in even even
the music industry, I was like, yo, you know people
feel about people with yeah. You know, so a lot
of people in the music industry don't really actually the meals.
(03:07):
They don't really like acting like that. They don't really
like me like that because may have this this this
presence when you know, artists I said, I am the
best and I am the greatest, greatest, you know what
I mean, And artist walk with this light. So people
always get intimidiated by that presentation, you know what I mean.
(03:27):
But I'm speaking about myself, like I don't want to
be the best dancer. Artists are the best reggae artists.
I just want to be the best acting, you know
what I mean. So people don't like that. And then
I always invest in the production side of my brand.
You know, a lot of artists break, you know, then
(03:47):
by a couple of them soping a coup of cheat
and you know them by you have.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
How many changes do you have? I don't even know
how many.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I like up to fifteen all.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
All the ones too, by the way.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Not fifty today, but a lad yeah, because I think
for me, I think presentation is.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Everything, okay, And then you saw that and you were like,
you didn't like comments that people were making about your
weight and you didn't like how you felt.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I yes, I and bout it. So I also look on
the glass full at all times instead of half empty.
So whenever, because I might say something to you know,
and I might say it with the anger, I might
say it to a jealousy, but it might be the truth,
right because they will say, oh, you're fatty, Ata said that,
But I was really at that stage with you. So
(04:38):
I just look into it and say, all right then,
and then it's take kind of weightlass and then I
show the journey because we live in an era right
now where people don't show the end product. So nobody
showed the journey to the end product. That's why nobody
have no love. If you understand the love in the
world's less know, because everybody create this fascating where they
(04:59):
just posset and they just said, all right, I am
doing this. I am doing this, so you don't show
the journey where it's not easy. Yes, metraphic wake up
in the morning, Merafi do this, MEFI sacrifice, MEFI do this,
and this is the end product.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
It also makes you more accountable when you're posting your
journey for people to see. So it makes you feel
like I can't mess up because people are watching.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Point and that's done. I have I have other people
to whatever. Just said, Oh, you can't lose so much weight.
I try that for years, say you must do a surgery,
so you know what I mean, Like you.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Can watch it and see it.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Don't take you there long either, Like, given how much
weight you lost, it was what four months, five months?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I lose like one hundreds or something ponies in eight months.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Okay, Yeah, that's good, that's not bad.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah. And what I what I the losing weight start from?
From from it, from what you're consumed. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
They always say that because that's the number one reason
people gain weight is what they eat. Yes, and work
out and all of that matters, But diet's a bit
part of what I do.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I do lick a start. If if I can drink it,
I'm not consuming it. So I don't actually chew no
food for like eight one straight.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
You can put that fire chicken in a blender though.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
No, I don't need what I would like to see that.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
A little crunch. Yeah, how hard was that? Though? They
give up me.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
No, I don't like twenty years over, you know what
I mean? But while again do it again? Success and
then you know what I mean, I get comfortable.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
And everybody's having drinks.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah. And when you get comfortable and you know, and
then you have your we as drum make and we
can express ourselves as meal. I want to express ourselves
as male. And let me say, delicate your feet, you know, yeah,
you know you have this female tendency, tendency and you know,
so we grew up where we keep our emotion in.
(07:00):
You know, we battle up with this emotional and emotional
scarce just because I want to show this march aside
and this this type of vibration to fit in right
to be a part of you know, be a you know,
to blending, you know what I mean. You just just
want to coexist. So when you get success on your
startup money you start of everything nowhere you know, the
(07:22):
nose ninety percent that the knows don't become yes. You know,
people knows that, the tailor know them, continual teller. Yes.
So you get caught up into the world everybody telling
you yes, and you know, you're putting on weird and
you're really getting at shape and people, I said, look good,
you know.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
You have yours a baller belly. You got a ball belly.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, you talk to some girl and I must say no,
man like it get teddy beer style and this, and
when you lose it, oh baby, you're you know what
I mean? Yes, you're living at this world where you know.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
So you know, And let's talk about that a little
bit because, for instance, a song like Sorry, which is
something that is very introspective and you talk about your
karma on there and people that you've heard, what exactly
were you going through when you wrote that song, because
it feels like there were some specific people that you
wanted to apologize to.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, because I was carrying this burden for years. Because
success and fame is you know, it can really take
away the human side of you. You know, my first
hid song, I was sixteen and I'm coming from a
background with single period, no father, you know, no mentor
(08:40):
just people around us in my community. You know, we
looked up to and when we look up to that individual,
they don't really have a solid foundation. So we look
up to these individual and we grew up with these
things embedded in us, you know. So yeah, yeah, you're
sixty in your feelings, it's and you want to be
(09:01):
a gale. You want to do this, and they start
to have kids to start to you start to travel,
you start to do all over the world. So you
have our kids who are growing up without you because
I am in Japan doing that to work and my
my one of my kids them having a graduation. I
can be in Japan and being so you do a
lot of things. And then girls that they're going to
(09:25):
the same thing because you're coming from the same background, right,
So there there are also single parents that everybody is
looking away out. So everybody want to wrap top each other,
existence in each other, you know what I mean. So
you know, people have different things and then you're not
arow and a lot of people where this were more
advanced than you to show you a lot of things.
(09:46):
So you have to do child and and learn along
the way. So you're doing your best and your basis
casts in a lot of earth along the line. Right,
So you might seminal, you might say, yo, acting do
something to me today, But I'm too near the forest.
I can answer the cheese. So you're looking at I
disrespect it, but I don't see it, you know what
(10:07):
I mean. And people don't. People don't take a people
you know, human beings don't really take countability for their mystics.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, some people will never come to the realization.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
No, So it's just it's just a therapy for me. Right,
So I just expressed myself and then I move on.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, because it felt like you could even admit, like
I'm the problem.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I am the problem and listen, people out there that
is listening. If you have problems, sorrown you. Even if
you're not the problem, you're the commandnaminator, right, So if
you're not the problem and you are the common denaminated,
the problem stems from you.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So you have to look into that, right, And like
you've said, like if things keep doing, you keep doing
the same thing, you'll get the same results.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yes, it's like taking show and I raincourt. You don't
be it.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
All the metaphors and analogies. Have you ever done therapy
because it feels like a therapy session.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Yeah, I do it free of course, like like for
a lot of people because I help like more than
tosan like over tosand people.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
To lose it, that's great, that's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I talk to them, get them numbers, send them recipe
and keep up. Yo, I lose twenty four and three weeks,
I lose you know what I mean? And I speak
to people like you know, even there before yesterday and
kind of people calling me yo, I have this problem
in my relationship, and I was like, yo, you know,
so I talked to people dearly like give them because
I got.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
You it right? Who do you talk to?
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I don't talk enough because because when I talk to
you is like terrap if for me, that's why I
sing at the music is like my yeah, it is
tozans and songs lose a friend. Yeah, I sing a lot,
and so when I talk to you, you know, it's
like that. And then my experience, my personal experience, I
don't I don't talk about something that I don't put
myself to. Right, So you have a lot of you
(11:57):
to call me you know who you know, growing up
growing up in crime and violence, going jail, going in prison.
I grew up the same way. When I was growing up,
I was my friends, there was in crime and violence.
I was a part of that too. I went to jail.
I have all of these experiences, so you know what
I mean. I shot at and I've been shot at,
(12:19):
you know what I mean. And I see people die
in front of me. You know, retaliation from oversight actually
take life. So I've been to all of the these
first and experience, so I can give people that perspective,
like look at it this way, you know what I mean.
And then I always teach people about life. It said
like people don't understand. Said, you know, like three days ago,
(12:43):
I was just telling somebody that is more older than me,
like them just can't accept life, like them can't fathom it.
And I was like, yo, life in flash is temporary.
You know, every human beings ever expiraed it. And two
twenty twenty four, twenty twenty four, so five I was
(13:07):
in this room. I don't think none of none of
other other of five, we don't thin. I don't think
anyone of us going to live, say the twenty third century.
So there's is if we make at the age that
we are now, if we make twenty fourth century, we're
(13:28):
going to be a hundred and something years.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
What do you think happens after you die?
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Your spirit don't die. You don't die because it exist
before the earth, So you don't. Life force don't die.
But your flesh have I expired it. So whatever work,
whatever work you put your put in earth, whatever legacy,
and leave. That is a reward after flesh. That is
where your spirit gets, you know, reward from the Creator himself,
(13:58):
the almighty got themselves. So you replace in different dimension
and even on Earth may become recon it back in
something different. But life itself, life force gonna die mm hmm.
But you yourself. That's why people is not always tell
people is not life, undb it's life. And it's too
all world life and live because that is inevitable, right,
(14:21):
You don't matter what, it's still gonna die. So if
you live and don't live, you're still gonna die. And
if you live and live, you're still gonna die.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Okay, that's a good way.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
So you've been living, yeah, because you never know?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, yeah, And I think even like with your music.
Like you said, it is like therapy for you.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
You know, things that you've been through and you've been
very vulnerable in your music, which sometimes people don't necessarily do.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, because people always seeking valid want to be validated.
People there don't try to be validated by the next
human being because the judga, every judge of a judge,
every person that is going, every person that is fighting
you and fighting you with your career, somebody is fighting
them also, you know what I mean. And a lot
(15:07):
of people try a lot of things. It don't necessarily
mean that it's it's it's it's intentional. It's just that
you're the only outlet for them. You have a lot
of people who see a lot of things about me
and the media and do a lot of things, and
I'm like, well, maybe I'm just the therapy for you.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Right, so you can get the best to look at
it your therapy.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, because when you're really check it. It don't start
me from if you don't like me. It don't start
me from me money, don't start me from being successful.
It don't start me from the people come to my stage.
So it don't start me from when we wake up
in the morning. I'm still annealing and exeling, and that
is the greatest thing, right you understand, and anything that,
anything that is given to you by a human being
(15:51):
can be taken away.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah, no, you're right.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
So once you know that, then you know that life
is just for living and you just leave it right
and set the legacy, you know, do it the right way.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You know. How was it?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
And I saw your vlog that you did when you
went back to Jamaica to perform for the first time
in four years after you had been gone for four years,
and you were like, I'm not going to do any
shows here, you know, because you felt like you've kind
of done the same thing, done it all, and then
came back.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
What was that day like for you to come back
and see all the love that you were getting.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I love Jamiica, like whoa, And I think I have
one of the most one of you know, my journey
in music is totally different. I never I wasn't popular
in music. I'm a star, like a mega star in music,
you know, so, and what whole I emerge on the
(16:42):
scene in music is different. It never rere knocked. And
it's the first and only because when I get the
break in music. If it never affiliated with a camp
or a team, you could have never it would never
get a break. You have to and I break at
my old And when I imagined that, the major producer
(17:05):
when I got to the mem say your vice is
not rough enough. And when I got to the reggae producer,
them say you can't. You're just singing off you sing jay.
So I have to create a niche for myself. So
this sing jay niche that they're hearing, it's me created.
It's me created singing and dance salaryms. Because before me,
(17:27):
you have people who sing and reggae rythms, reggae songs.
I have people who sing dance salary and dancers. I
sing cultural reading, cultural song and dance salaryms. So I
just create that niche for myself because I know I
(17:47):
have the talent. Definitely do I know have the talent.
And then when I leave school, I leave school with
a lot of subjects. I was of like distinction and
principle of business. So when when I went in to
the music, I was like, what is this a music business?
I see a lot of people when I went to
the music and was like, burn corporate. I don't want
to do Carpriate. What I said, I can't burnt carporate
(18:10):
because when you go to the statue and the banners
them and everything, if they say I had to read
a post behind it when you're profiming, that means that
I had reader. It's one of the big sponsors, and
I had reader. I've set the cast that you take,
the peer that you take. I had really give the
promoter that to give you, so they're paying you indirectly.
(18:31):
So what I do. I am the first youth in
music that is a rasta would rasta Phi signed to
corporate like thirteen Corporate Company Street. And it was like,
oh you do that because I have the business mentality.
So when I enter into the music, I see nobody
doing that. So I just pushed my burn to Carpriate
(18:52):
and I'm like my vibe, I'm like, you know where
my edge space at? And I can you know what
I mean? You know, sell the product and do the
product and I get to a lot of people, then
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
So I do I do I feel like you get
credit for that?
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Not really, not really, I don't. I don't get I
don't get a lot of credit in the music industry.
Or to the music with the funds them. Fine, I
don't get a lot of credit. Like me is the
best profumer out the New School. There's no other. I
just can't proform like me, not the New School.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
You know, it's interesting because you've been around for so
long you still consider yourself new school because you've.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Already had Because because I cannot disrespect elephant, you know,
because you know mother, I cannot disrespect being the man
and spruga and turbulence, you know, just a feeling. Yeah, business,
you know what I mean. I cannot disrespect these people,
(19:53):
you know what I mean? So I can look and
fire Queen Africa. I can because these people are already
paved the way. What after that comino?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, listen, and speaking of vibes cartels and you just
brought them up, you know, that was a big deal
that he's home.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, my bigger Vibes card.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You know right now? What was that like for?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Like, where were you when you heard the New Spice
posting herself just landing and obviously they have.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
A great relationship.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah, my bigger vibes guard that I am. I am
the only male artists one of the big artists who
went to visit my brother, like my friend, like you
know what I mean. So you know a lot of
people will never go go you know, you have a
lot of females like Spices and other artists and you know,
(20:41):
Seeker Rhymes and other artists. But me, you just you know,
visit And because I used to the jail system, and
I understand. And I understand because for me, I leave
Jahmica for a while because they tried to imprison me.
They tried to imprison they tried to put me, to
put me in prison.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Like so that's why you left.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
That one of the reason because because they're saying that
acting I have this type of friends and involving a
this a name of these type of people are friends,
and that type of people are friends, and these type
of people are friends. I'm from the Garrison and I'm
a multi million you're superstar from the Garrison. I don't
(21:23):
buy Garrison people. Guns. I don't buy you know, there's
no individual and Draymaica, which is that done? I can
ever say involving any criminal activities, Yes, you're done. Will
know what you do, you know what you have to
don the community. But you're a human being at first,
(21:46):
and you have other things. Right. So I'm from the
Garrison community. So if if you a lot of people
from the Garrison community that is involved in crime and violence,
I want to go into music. I said, that is
what you should do with the time. Alatter them, I'm
the first one who turned them into a producers. As
I get a reading, a vice fear, it becomes they
(22:06):
eat songs a vice vield, vice field. Turn yourself gave
and do something constructive. Man, keep some cheap, do something constructive.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Because they can see there you did it.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, because I've been there, and that's somebody that's more relatable.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
But so when you're burin a society want to take
you away Jamaica having this bringing thing that is going
on where society take the most important people from the
lower class and isolate them and keep the lower class suppress.
You understand, So they want to take me away. So
(22:40):
I don't put a substance in the individual was them,
you know what I mean. But if they don't, if
they don't live that life, you cannot understand. If you
never if you never suffer before, you don't understand Bavati Right,
So it's a teen line between that you can't go
to school for it, and you can have a prospective
of it, but when you're live it, you know what
(23:01):
I mean. So I live it and I have a
you know, deal with that. Teach you the variety. Do
this thing, don't do that, don't involve in crime and violence. Yo,
you think about like ever live in the country, like
change your life, do something like that. These are the
you know, the encouragement that give this individual this and that.
(23:23):
So I just decided, you know what you want to
do it Vibess Gardalan and I a child, I did me,
you know what I mean? And then I come to
find it with the mentality like am I like I'm
a young artist right now, totally young artists. This is
a different market, right, Nobody know me. That is the
mentality I have. Nobody know me, this interview that I'm doing,
(23:47):
it is my first big interview, Like even though I do,
this is the mentality because this is a different market.
I'm starting from scratch, like I want to break internationally. Right.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
No, that's interesting because because I I've always looked at
you just from knowing your music as having so much history,
but you and this is how I kind of grind
with my show where yeah, but I act like it's
a brand new show.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
People don't know me. Yeah, because I used to be
on the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
But this is my own thing now, So I'm okay
with grinding it out and starting off like no one
knows who I am, like it's brand new.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
And if you make fifty percent, that's you, okay, if
you're working for me, if you're if you're an employ
if you're an employee, you make a one hundred percent.
Only twenty or ten is years, right, So if you're
maybe fifty that this is you. H you know, this
is what you come early, because yeah, I see myself
as if I come as a superstar, I'll be just
(24:41):
walking through the door.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Because you walked in here.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
You were about twenty minutes early, which is amazing because
I'm like most people are late. There's traffic, and you
were like, we didn't know how much traffic. The team
was like, we don't know what the traffic is going
to be. Like that's how I am too.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I'm always planning to.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Get there early because people people always a lot of
a lot a lot of especially dance, all music and
reggae musical. A lot of people. When I get established
music is not on their paroity list anymore, right, so
they have a parody list, but is not and what
(25:14):
the music that makes them this famous is not on
their party list? So the party is a car, the jewelry,
the girls, this liqua, party, everything, But what makes you
into this? You're not?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Were you always like that or did you become like that?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Because you know sometimes when you get into this business
first it is nice to be able to get the money,
the jewelry, the cars, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
The girls.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I'm always like that because poverty scares me because it
gives me it. Really, it really scarred me because my
mama five of us, she alone, you know, she's a vendor.
She's sell on the road side. I sell every single
thing on the roadside. Deally like suffaration. So I wasn't
(25:58):
I wasn't poor. I was b and be low or poor.
I was below a poverty. So going back to that stage, no,
So I always consistent. I went people, I said, no, man,
you're read no after continual, continual continue because you don't
want your kids? Then come got your way, you got
(26:19):
you and then you know, not even just your kids
and alone other people who who invest in you and
work with you and them their on every day. I
sacrifice them life every day, so I have to make
sure so them are right for them kids. All right,
the environment all right? You know, yeah, so go hard
every day, like think about it.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
You know when you talked about.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
We talked about so many different things, but let's go
back to the karma situation. What are some things you
feel like you've done to try to write anything from
your wrongs from the past when you think about karma,
because we always feel like, all right, I'm taking accountability.
I'd entry people, well, I didn't do this, I didn't
do what I was supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Everybody would feel like I mean around macall and myself
and have a conversation with them and we're good, like
you know what I mean, Carl and myself have a
conversation with them.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Do you consider yourself having friends in this business?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Because I remember years ago you said you don't like
to say that you have friends in this music business.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Do you feel like you have friends?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah, I've like, yeah, friends, our friends, our friends and
the music I have business friends of friends. Were you know,
does Carl and well a vibanting but my life don't
allow me to have too much like a personal type
of friend in the music because I am so busy
I can't get a play some footballer and some soccer
(27:44):
video that men. No, you know, it's rare. But I
have people where you know, you know, converse, you know,
we have a conversation and I might you know, record
a song as a hold this song, you know what
I mean. But in the music business, friends, friends is
(28:05):
very it's a hard word. It's a hard word, especially
dancer and reggae music people. It's very fragile. You know,
you make a decision for yourself and and you're not
you're you know, a individual don't included and they're just
don't do immediately.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
So you know, how do you respond when your fans
because obviously you care about that. But your music it
doesn't always fit like a specific genre. It might not
even be it does. Sometimes it doesn't even sound like
a reggae or a dancehall song. It just is like
your own thing. Like you said, you kind of created
your own lane too.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Because after after after I'm doing my first hit song
is two years ago. It was a seventeen anniversary, like seventeen.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Years so after that, what is your first hit song.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
My first hit song is stop vampy yourselo. They gonna
tell you what toda. So after I travel so much
and do it over and do it over, then you
find out that when I when I just get established,
my main audience was mostly male, like to me the
(29:15):
social commentary and you know male, and then it becomes
more female. So when I travel so much, you have
different diverse characteristics involved. So I look at my fans
and I said, my funds grow so I might sing
a song and the core fans say that is not
for us. So but the girls them like it. Are
(29:38):
these people like it? And I know why I do
it because I have all different type of funds. So
when I do dance, all my regga fans them don't
like it. Is that crazy regga funds them was like, yo,
we love you do dance. We like you to dancer,
but we like going to do reggae and I want
to do reggae dance fans and I say you we
like when I do reggae. What but what what happened
(29:58):
on that that might bless mate with with with with
the talent that I can do just as good, just
as good. So I just continue to do it and
then in the music. In the music, I don't have
like you don't have like ten artists like me because
I song, I can do a reggae song and I
sung totally different from a dancers song. You have artists who,
(30:22):
don't get me wrong, you have artists who do dancers
song and reggae song. Well you can't identify like from
you hear it, you know that's them. Yeah, and may
have songs that when you hear it you know no
one you know what I mean? So that's all creative
I am.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
One of my favorite songs is unfair Games. But of
course I'm like that fair Games.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, big of curvy, Yeah, big of curvy, big good
good production, and I mean big of favy producer work
and big up good good production.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Of course I like that because you know she talking
hers on there too.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yes, you know, you know I did that song that
I did it by myself. I did the song by myself,
like write it and recorded and already man, the producer
was like, yo, you need a female exactly because what
you're saying, you can't really say that to you. So
you know, have you ever been cheated on a lot
(31:16):
of times, yo, when yo, when you are Gellius and
have more than one on one, come out right and
notice and then and then you're not You're not to
have time for me and no one right right because
you're so you're so, you're out in the world. You're
doing what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Does it hurt your feelings when it happens to can
you be like? I deserve that?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I really did. I get that won that never deserved
though I guess that I was actually in the hearing it.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Wait what, no, slow down, please go back and tell
me the story.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
So I met this girl, right, I met this girl, yo,
the tear. So I met this girl and she invited
me to our home. So I live in a different community,
so I went there. And when I went there, you know,
she says she lives. She and her mom live together,
(32:14):
but her mother gun, I works her mother, our mom
leave gun. So I went there hurly. So you know,
she was like, yo, you want some food. She got
to cook some food. Jo makers love cook. Okay, so
I actually take my take my money up my pocket
giver should go and buy what buy cook? I don't
really meet. So she cooked something different from me, all right,
(32:36):
that's nice. Yes, So you know she cooked the food
like don't playing and all these things and then greens,
and then she cooked me for herself and and I
was there, you know, and then I hear him. Then
I hear her. She said, oh, come come, leave, live, leave,
(32:58):
he's coming. I was like, who can you say? You
don't have no man? What are you talking about? But
toward all the all the buildings set up now is
one way in, one way out, so I can't come out.
Now you're in the closet, so may have a run.
Got under the bed.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Oh my god, this is like a movie. So you're
under the bed and the man reach.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
The man was a soldier. So what happened? Now? He
he She think he was at work, but you know
him just pop up sudden you got papa because because
he's just a girl and him.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Have to write.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
But she tell him that's her me and man, okay,
watch him does papa? So him pop up and he's
a soldier. I was like, yo, all right, then we
are pros and kinds and said, all right, listen, just
make sure she leave this house.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
With with your life, right, you're right about that.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
So I was there hyding under the bed and the
man come and said, and when the man entered.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
The doors, babes cook, I got you some dumplings.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
It might be a cook. So she mine was like,
so why is sher twol food? She was like yo,
oh man, you know we kid in. You're like, she
was like, yo, I cook this, and I then my
mind changed, so I just cooked that. So it's my
mind and you know that the man can see my
plate of food.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
And you gotta sit here and listen to all this
under the bed.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
And the man going out with some something then sex
the world entire night after Black Cork was like, yo,
you gotta kill me. Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Wow, story, So you had to be under the bed
the bed they were having sex on.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yes, be right, because the bed is so why is
she why was she not inside the bed? Oh my?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Why was she not like yo, let's go out or
like she should have did something out of there so
you could get out.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
And then so this is like maybe six six pm
in the evening, six pm and then you know him
come and him leave like two three am in the morning.
So you know, the pressure woman got you like, you
know this is terrible, Yes, it's very terrible.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Did you take a nap under the bed at least?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, asleep?
Speaker 2 (35:27):
What have you started snoring?
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Yeah, I've never.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Quick.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Anyway, I'm going. And the girl when him leave, the
girls like.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
She was like there's still food left. She was your life,
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
And then when the man leave, now she'd go and
have a bat And then she was like, well she
never planned for it, and she should have told me
the truth. But if if me still will have sex
before we leave, that's a girl. Come like, you're crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I can't believe you stayed while she took a shower.
Did all of that?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
No, because it was two am and three am in
the morning and she living in a garrison community. Okay,
so I didn't want to walk from room because I
don't know it years, because I didn't want to walk
from to the bus stop. And then now because them
times I was taking the bus, so I didn't want
to walk from there to the bus stop. And then
(36:21):
anybody tried.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
To hear you can't go to nobody's house after.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
That, from that day in Jamaica, I went, I went
to the hardware store and I get four part loucks.
So if i'm if I'm talking to you, I'm not
coming to your home if if you don't have grill
on your home. I have grill, okay, So when I
come to you, I take off your part locks and
put right so anybody outside still tide when I'm leaving.
(36:48):
Then I took mine and put.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
On in years so they step you from doing it.
You just had to go back.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
No. Never, I never really do that but one until times.
But I never really do it after and then and
then it teached me a lot where teach my life
in a savage mood where.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, you don't trust women after something like that, and then.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
May have this million a girl and I don't really
care about them, and that is I just do whatever
I want to do with them. And but then I
realized that hurt people. Hurt people.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
You're right about that. That is quite a lesson to learn.
Not be honest. You didn't stay and do anything, No, okay,
I just want.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
To make sure I was traumatized. Everyone's was a law.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
It wouldn't even work.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
You no go to work, good work, because I always
didn't get well. Like this man was maybe outside seeing me,
you know what I mean. So I was just speaking.
I was seeking somebody.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Thank God, you're alive, because that's the main thing.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
And that more me into this individual where you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
How did you get out of that?
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Like? How are you able to trust now you know
from moving on past that? Or are you still not?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah? Because because why not trust when you make mistakes
every day? Only a perfect person not supposed to trust.
That don't mean I didn't have to be protective or
aware and be wise and don't overapply yourself. But I'm
(38:22):
not the type of person where a million girls don't
do me something, but then a meet and then I
use that to judge you because you don't do me nothing,
you know what I mean? So words of other work
can sustain? Can I sustain in my work? So I
cannot use this. I know it's possible with you, and
I have to look out for it. But if I
(38:44):
use this to contual you, then I may become a
tyrant and countual in life. And here's an entity by yourself.
There's not a remote, it's not a TV. I'm not supposed.
I don't think I supposed a program yea, because if
I the programming to you for you be lial to me.
What about when I'm going for six month tour. Then
(39:08):
you have gotta mess up. So I want you to
do it naturally, you know what I mean. So I
can I use that to judge you, and I don't
really use people past to judge them. Everybody ever passed.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah, imagine if people judge you by your parents.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Yeah, because my past was wild and violent and all
type of something.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
You know, this feels like a movie.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Yes, was while I'm violent. So you have a lot
of girl who back in the past or have a
lot of sexual partners and analyst things where you know,
do the line. I end up talking to them and
then they be the best girl told me even do
them off that past day because everybody ever passed and
everybody got to a lot of things, and why there
was going tweet or the greatest thing is to learn
(39:49):
from it. You know.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
All of this makes me think of the song Frozen Heart. Yes,
that you have talk to me about writing that song.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
I don't really right, you know, you're just going and
just go in and do it.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
What was on your mind that day.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
It just depends on the vibe and we wake up
with coman is that you I can't see my later knowledge.
The greatest thing is to know right. So every day
I get up, I try to learn something new. I
don't try to try that farm my daughter. I learned
something right, So I just apply that to my life,
and then I might just wake up in our mood
where I was, I'm like, yo, them really then really overlooked,
(40:33):
like my talent and MA really overlook this, and so
might innother mood that we're you know, why people are
going to them, were over look this is the greatness,
like you know what I mean. And then I'll just
write a song towards that, and then sometimes I get
some riadims and the idea comes from.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
The riadim, right, No, I mean the whole album I
Am Great? Did you get backlash from a title like that?
Speaker 3 (40:57):
I mean I love it, yeah, man, because people don't
like when people don't like when it, especially Black people,
because we've been through so much things and we you know,
and we don't go to therapy for it, and we
don't you know, we don't relieve all of these stress
(41:17):
and we're coming from slavery with this will Lane scene
somewhere when I see you with the same color, the
same similar backgrown. Now you're from the black side, where
you're Mexican you're from that side, right. I want you
(41:37):
to be great, but not before me. Okay, I want
you to be rich, but not more than me. But
I can accept a different color, like a white person
to be rich, to be greater than me, and I
accept it. But once you look away that I don't
want it. And how do I feel? How do I
feel this way about it? And I don't know you?
So these are embedded insecurity. It's not you is insecurity.
(42:00):
That is embedded in me. Why I feel so about you?
I never do me nothing wrong, so I have to
fix that.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
It's about yourself when you bring that out.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Kamala Harris running for president here in the United States,
and people will say that, you know, she's Jamaican and
she's Indian, but I've heard people say that she's not black,
and people will say that Jamaican is not black.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
And I've never understood that you can be black and Jamaican.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
You're black by the melanin in your skin and your derms.
It don't matter the bloodline and where're coming from because
you're on a Caucasian.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Right, It's always been like I don't I don't understand
this whole narrative.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Certain Puerto Rican you're black. Mexican, you're black. Africanis you're black.
You have different shades of black. And you don't necessarily
mean by your skin. You understanding the matter, which as
long as you come from if you come from people Morocca,
is in Africa, if you come from you're black. If
you come from this, you're black. You come these, you
(43:01):
are black people. Israelites, you are black people. You're black people.
Is just different shades and different.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
There are white Jamaicans though.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
White Jamaicans.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Well, you could be born in Jamaica and be white,
because then you'd be Jamaican.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's it. That's what if you have
a Jamaican peerent with no no, no, your crash like
Bob Marley have white and black and you know what
I mean. So, yeah, you're black, you're a black person.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
What do you think of that Babe Maley movie? Did
you watch it?
Speaker 3 (43:28):
No? I never watch it?
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Okay, is there a reason why or do you want
to watch it? Or you just haven't.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
I never watched it because I heard so much mixed
review and then another people said the story didn't really
give didn't really give Bob Maley the right Old look,
so the story was more from like Ziggy Miley perspective
and Maley perspective. So it's more like looking to Ruta
(43:55):
eyes and Ziggy Maley eyes than from Bob Maley perspective.
So it's like your child and your wife telling us story.
So it wasn't like from like right, so try so
it's so historical for us to we hear so much
mixed reviews like that.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
It was hard because by Marley, there's so much you
can't even do a movie that's just yeah, a.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Lot of people saying that because people say a lot
of people saying, all right, but in Jamaica and get
your him, come to England, you know when you go
to England and just play some football and then come
back at your Maican, but may do a lot of
different greetings. So all these things don't incorporate into the thing.
And you know, addther kids them towards it exists and
(44:41):
you know everything. But this is the mixed review that
I heard never. I never really watched it for myself,
so I can't really give it. But he is a
great movie and I love Big.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Your own story too though, you know, even for you,
I think like you said a lot of people don't
know your full story, and you feel like it's time
now for you to be able to really start telling
that story.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yeah, man, documented so people can learn from it. My story,
my story. Don't really have no pride in it. You know,
you don't really have no pride. I'll probably give your
bunches and limit you because pride are gonna make you
think that, oh, this person is gonna think this of me. Right,
but that person is still in the n X is
(45:26):
not That person is not God. So what you don't
care if they want to think this, boy, But your
story is supposed to impact a lot of people because
but Maley died thirty six and he's still the greatest artist.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Yeah, he's one of the biggest stars in the ever
in the way ever existed.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
But Maley internationally, Maley is.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
The biggest star that ever existed in music. And I'm
not speaking about fame wise. I have people bigger than
Bab Maley fame wise, but impact wise. But Maley is
a glue start impact wise. You have a lot of
start in America. Only beg in America, right, like huge
in America. When you come with America, they're like Ray,
(46:09):
I have a letter start big worldwide. But they said, oh,
Bob Maley impact the world. Bob Maley impact the world.
Every rap artists, every every calypse, every race, every race,
every every drawn romo place is in the world that
I don't know a lot a major star in America,
(46:31):
but they know.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
They definitely do. He's got all didn't think coffee.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
He's everywhere in the world. I said, Jamaica above Maley.
You know what I mean. And I think the government
of Jamaica should make Bob Malia nationally right now.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
You know what I want to ask you to with
your success, thinking about where you came from, with you know,
five of you, your mom, how did that impact the family,
Like how how were you able to to uh like
when you when you did get successful, talk to me
about getting your mom straight and getting the family straight,
because that's also difficult to when you're the one that's
(47:10):
really like making the money.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
Yeah, money is nothing when they over there management money, yo,
trust me, money mean nothing to me. Watch my kids
straight and everybody straight and these things. You don't mean
nothing to me like that because when when I get
to establish, there's nothing too good forgive my family my mother,
my mom, my mom my mom. Literally like cook food
(47:36):
the people, just to send us the school so I
can repeat anything what you want anything with My kids
them want the people and that is connected to me,
even my enemies.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
And you give your enemy staff stop it.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Yeah, man, God to feed them with a lang strap
because because because because who don't like you know, because
remember I don't think about today, think about twenty years after. Okay,
so who is the enemy today can be the best
friend twenty years after. So you have you are for
just continent a good all right?
Speaker 2 (48:09):
How many kids do you have?
Speaker 3 (48:14):
No number, no number, no number kids?
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
When they're like what yeah you got my kids, we
got my son, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah yeah, Well listen, thank you so much for joining
me for.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
It is always a pleasure to see you talk. And
you know, a new project on the way, what's coming on?
Speaker 3 (48:42):
A new project will have we'll have us sang name
backers for the girl said, so the new the videos
coming out soon, look gord for that.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
You got the clean versions?
Speaker 3 (48:52):
Have the clean version. Yeah. And I also have a
reggae album that is finished, like completely done for twenty
I'm going to release it, you know, maybe January twenty
twenty five, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Why are you holding on so long for it?
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Maybe? But I'm going to drop a single before that, okay,
And then you know, because I wanted nomine I want
to put it the right time so you can get
nominated for the Grammar.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Oh gotcha, Okay, I know when to.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
Release music right. Yeah. And that album is a great
album of collaboration with Gentleman of Steve Maley and the
album of demark On, the album of pint On, the
album oh Wow. So yeah, man is a powerful album
for the reggae people and many people. Then we'll say
acting and we need that thing. So we have that
for the rest of year, and we're going to some
(49:37):
dance a music and just going you know, put on
some songs.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
You could do it all.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Well, just do it all and then you know, look.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Out for that some Aprobast collaboration.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
Have a new collaboration coming up with Stone Boil look
out for Oh okay, we like yes stone boy brother,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Said that the markt he's doing the Mark or.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
Yes, the Bigger yourself and my brother that have a
new collaboration coming out with nice you boy.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Okay, we go up that.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
You know, we have a collaboration with Cranny Clak you
know where do Wolper.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Work and do some more with the ladies too.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
I like that, Yes, I like the ladies. Manale. We
have Wolper sang for the ladies, honey, no wonder for
the Monday and take care of the ladies then thank you. Yeah,
all right, that's love. Respect, respect, It's way up, way up.
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