Door Shaming with Sharna Burgess

Dancing with the Stars champion Sharna Burgess is here to Whine Down this week! She shares some insight into what led her partner, Bobby Bones, to 1st place despite his poor dancing early on. And she offers some deep insight on body image and “the journey to loving yourself”, including some simple tips on how to improve the way you see yourself. Then, Jana and Mike talk to Steve Dziedzic, founder of Lasting.com, a marriage health app backed by TheKnot. which offers accessible and effective couples counseling. It’s a game changer for people who want to strengthen their marriage but don’t like couples therapy.  And we hear from Jana’s Nashville girlfriends, because they have a lot of thoughts on Mike’s choice for a pantry door in their new home.  Click here to check out Sharna’s new workout video, “Jive”

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janna Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast.
I am so excited to wind Down today and the Gang.
I mean that's yes, it's Janna and the Gang today
because you guys, my best girlfriends are in town from Nashville. Um,

(00:24):
and I'm just super excited about this show because I
feel like the last couple of shows. Uh, let's see,
I was puking and having a panic attack. I was crying.
I you sounded and looks great. Still, thanks, But we
were fighting about the holidays. But this is our last
show before the new year, and we just really wanted
to have a fun show and laugh. And there's no

(00:46):
better way to do that than you know, my girlfriends
flew in and Mike is um in a very small
house with four four ladies and ladies infant ye, but
we're just super excited. Um. We've got some really great guests.
But Michael, we have to talk to you. Um. I

(01:07):
don't even know Katherine, who wants to Rachel? I mean, okay,
well here's the thing. Katherine is on your side, but
I think Rachel started off okay, Well, Mike, I mean
it's the it's about the Stree door. Oh look, Okay, okay, okay, okay,
let me catch everybody up. So Michael and I are

(01:28):
building a house in Nashville. Um, We've talked about it
a couple of times, and Michael comes to me and says, Honey,
I really want a frosted pantry door, like where it
says pantry. And I'm like, oh, okay, like, and so
I send it to my girl group and I say, okay,
shoot me because Michael wants a frosted pantry door. And

(01:51):
I sent like a picture of the bread thing. No,
we're we're totally door shaming, Beth. Go ahead. I mean,
I mean, like you send us one with a bread basket.
Also the graphics mark. All the men like it. Why.
I don't know if I can explain that, but i

(02:11):
think it's really cool when I see that. I'm like,
it's like, oh, this is nice when you take a
look inside. There was a follow up email that was
also shared with us about a custom order and I,
to which I replied, of course it's a custom order
because they have not made these doors. They are not

(02:33):
sold anywhere. But I mean, seriously, I don't understand, like
do you want the bread like what is it? Because
you even wanted like frosted sliding things into the gate.
I'm like, baby, like the frosted, Like, why frosted? It's
so but it's not. And you want the bread basket
on there? Actually it's actually no, that was just a joke.
Oh the bread basket was a joke. Okay, Yeah, the

(02:56):
bread basket was a joke. Okay, yeah. I had to
keep you guys going on that one. Oh say, I
thought you were being serious. Oh look at Mark just
pulled it up. That's exactly that fantastic. Do you think,
Oh my god, that's seriously hate it. It's cool. And

(03:16):
let me just preface, I'm not on your side in
the sense that I like this door. I do not
like I hate it, but I am on your side
that I feel like she should let you have and
that's something. And she hasn't very proud of her well,
because these girls are very good. Yeah, and Beth and
Rachel even today at lunch, I go, girls, we have
to talk about the frosted door on the podcast, and

(03:38):
She's like, well, why haven't you said anything to him?
And I was like, because I feel like I say
no a lot to things that you bring up. And
Katherine's like m m m m m m. And that's
why she's on my side. She's like, well, I said,
you know, because he wants this and he wants that.
And they're like, why can't you say yes to those
things and then just say no to the frosted door?
And I was like, well, because I feel very strongly
about the other ones that the frost the door, it's

(04:00):
you know, it's a way, it's down the hallway. You're
not really going to be able to see it. You're
gonna walk in from the garage, if you want to
go into the kitchen or the dining room, you're going
to see it. What do you want just a plain
white door just sitting there in the Beth? Go ahead?
And if we have at this pantry people don't have
the guests and wonder, they're not gonna think it's the
bathroom and they're not gonna think it's anything else and say, oh,
that's the pantry, Beth, go ahead, into which you replied,

(04:22):
what are you gonna good label every door? We might bathroom,
the bathroom, Like, yeah, a bathroom, master bedroom, guest bedrooms, bedroom,
Why do you need a pantrys? Going up around Los
Angeles frosted glass is coming back. It's not. It's not.

(04:42):
We can be ahead of the curve in Nashville. It
says you really wanted to say pantry on there? So
are we going to get a laundroroom door? Sure? God
to have a wash bucket on it? Why I don't understand, Like,
how about that for your bathroom? It says bath with
a circle around? I don't know why guys like labels.

(05:03):
I knew he was joking about the bread basket. I
saw the way you texted it to her. I was like,
he is messing. I don't I don't buy it. Mind you, Okay,
Jane doesn't want to talking about inside of our pantry.
She's like, I want everything organized, I want it labeled,
I want baskets, I want this. Well that makes sense.
I'm like, okay, so why not commise? Why are you

(05:24):
really concerned people are gonna knows the pantry? That's just
on my list of reasons why one of many? I
can't with you? Oh my goodness. Well but here's well,
here's the thing I am. You know, I always take
your side, but a little bit I'm not saying on
the pantry thing, and you guys might have mentioned this
when I went to get Sharna. But the playhouse he

(05:47):
built so insane that I feel like maybe he does
know what he's doing on that tip, like not in
everything play house. No. I mean, look, Amy, I get it,

(06:09):
you know, I think he did a great job on
the playhouse. But I just don't think you have to
label every door. You don't, and you're gonna know it's
a pantry. But but because Katherine I talked about this
at lunch too, we are we say no a lot
to certain things. So we're gonna give you. We are
all going to give you this pantry door. We crosted

(06:31):
pantry door here, blessed by the troop dancers. Tell us
off the troop dancers. And I'm gonna tell you, why
is Sharna here? Okay, so you're like good leading. So
Beth is obsessed with Dancing with the stars. I was
obviously on Dancing with the stars. But we like to
have wine, and we like to improvide what's that called?

(06:55):
And we like to Yeah, we like to and we
like to interpretive dance and we dance terribly one and
I don't think, okay, fine, but like whatever, we're going
to do it a lot this weekend. Thank you, Rachel Um.
So we we labeled ourselves the Troop Dancers and then
the husbands have a group, right, what is it. It's
like the real husbands of Hollywood, but we're like the

(07:15):
real husbands of the Troop Dancers. Yeah, so we're we're
we're Troop Dancers. And we have Sharna Burgess on the
show today, who is a Dancing with the Stars winner.
She won with Bobby Bones. So we're super excited before
we bring Sharn and we need to talk though about
Amazon Fire TV because obviously we have a three week
old and we've been watching a lot of TV, catching
up on a lot of movies, been nesting. We have

(07:38):
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you name it. Yeah, your recreation. What's the thing you

(08:00):
been watching? Parks and recreation? Even watching that amazing show
by the way, Nikole from was just in the stop
in Oh, just a little kid reaction. Also just caught
up on my Amazon fire on Walking Dead good season
this year, I have no desire give it a try.
A lot of people think that zombies it's about love,

(08:24):
It's about relations hurry. I tried by myself before I
ever met Jail Single. I tried watching it one night
and I got like five minutes in this little girls
like a zombie walking gap, and I was terrified, So
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(08:46):
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know literally exactly who you're talking about. From the first
episode of Walking Dead, Rick wakes up, He goes out
into the world and that he thinks it's a real
live girl, and he says, a little girl, can I
help you? And then she's and moving on? All right.

(09:11):
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(10:15):
party because this is like the last episode before like
the whole holiday, you know everything, So so we're having
like a lot of fun. It's girl time. Can we
just rewind the past couple of weeks. You won with
Bobby Bones, we have a Y the Stars champion. Yeah.

(10:35):
It was possibly the most shocking season for me to
have one. It was not the one that I expected,
but it certainly was the most amazing win. I'm still
still processing, to be honest. So he went to bed
early that night and he he woke up the next
morning and I said, hey, babe, shut up, Michael okay,

(10:57):
and he goes, hey, babe, who went who one dance
at the Stars? And I was like Bobby, and He's
like shot. I was like, yeah, But I loved it though,
because I feel like for the first time, obviously he
wasn't the best dancer right of the you know, the
other celebrities, but I feel like, you know, he had
the best heart, and I don't know. It always bugs

(11:20):
me when, of course, you know, the the Olympic gymnasts
is gonna win or you know what I mean. I
think it was. I think it was really special this season.
For a long time now, we've seen the best dancer win, right,
which is the one that usually comes on with dance talents.
So what's really hard is when we're getting celebrities to
come and do the show. They're like, well, why am
I going to do it if there's a gymnast because
I have no shot at winning. Yeah, Like in our season,

(11:41):
I was like, Okay, well Lord's winning. Here we go, right,
you know what I mean? And you feel like it's
a given. And Dancing with the Stars is what's always
separated us from other dance shows is that we're so
much about the story and the human and then the dancing.
And I think we really saw our fans connect to
that more than ever this season. And it wasn't just
Bobby's fans. It wasn't just the beating. It was Dancing
with the Stars fans that connected to him on a

(12:02):
very raw, vulnerable level. And watch this man say, hey,
I am I'm actually terrible at this and I'm terrified
of it. But hopefully me doing this is going to
inspire you to do the thing that you're terrified of,
because you never ever know what can happen. And look
what happened. He came out and he won the thing. No,
not because he was the best dancwer, not because we
have the best scores, but because he honestly had so

(12:24):
much heart and he was just so real about saying
this is who I am and kind of age yeah,
and hopefully I can inspire you all to do the same.
And he's got he's got an unbelievable story, Grea, so
being able to share it in a deeper way on
Dancing with the Stars than he did because you know,
he did American Idol like kind of the you know
peer yeah, yeah, and which he is again this year.

(12:46):
Oh yes, And so that was fantastic to start to
get his story out there and then to dive deeper
with you guys. I mean that definitely had to build
his fan base and support. Were you kind of like
in the very beginning where you like, you need to
tone it down because of the reaction the first night.
I didn't know what was happening that I was like,
you were generally like, well, oh god, were you embarrassed

(13:06):
or like this is either going to backfire a huge
Oh no. I loved it the first time. I loved
it that and you've got to understand that for the
second third time, the flush I wanted to smack him.
Actually I believe I whacked him in the face with
the rose on Life television because I was so mad.
But then I also at some point when this is Bobby,
this is not I can't ask him to be something
that he's not. He's coming on here to just truly

(13:27):
be who he is in raw form, and I have
to allow Bobby to be Bobby. And that was the
best decision that I could have made. But you have
to understand that first night came out of nowhere because
Bobby in the room when he's learning, is not that person.
He is literally silent. He doesn't say things, he will
not his head or shake his head, and he's so
hard on himself and so dedicated to trying to get
better at this thing that he knew he was awful at, right,

(13:49):
so he put in so many hours of just grueling,
blood and sweat and frustration to try and get it.
And in the room, I'm thinking, oh my god, he
hates every single part of this, but that's just his process.
He wanted to honor me, he wanted to honor the opportunity,
he wanted to try and get better. And so on.
On night one, when we went out and we finished
that drive and he fighting like that, I was like, oh,

(14:10):
I was ready for it. I was, certainly I was
still in a backbend. So I was really not ready
for it and I almost lost my dress. Play was
I mean amazing, your face was like, I mean, it's
a gift, it's a meme, it's it's all the things,
and but it was amazing. And then you know again,
like I said, the best decision I could have made
the whole season was to just let Bobby be Bobby

(14:32):
and give him his moments to shine, because ultimately that's
my job anyway, and it was. It was a really beautiful, unique, crazy, wonderful, difficult,
but just awesome season for me. I did you guys
fight at all? I mean, what was what was probably
the biggest we wish you y'all had. I mean, we
definitely have moments. Come on, it's ten weeks of endless

(14:54):
hours with each other. Um, there was I think it
was Country Week. I actually think it was our v
is well It's weak where we just got on each
other's nerves. It just got to that point where it
was like I couldn't have anything about you. You know,
both of us will saying the same thing, like what
I was doing was frustrating him, what he was doing
was frustrating me. And we weren't communicating anymore because it
was just it was tough and the pressure really was

(15:16):
on and he was putting more and more pressure on himself.
But I would say we never fought, We never rose
our voices in each other, that we never we just
we sat on the plane again. Yeah, we start on
a plane next to each other for six hours and
didn't talk. Like that was outline that you spend so
much time together. It's just yeah, I mean you came
home plenty of times I think, yeah, I hate him. Yeah,

(15:39):
it's tired. Yeah, it's so hard, and especially when it
messes with your psyche and you don't feel good enough,
and it's just it plays on your insecurities and you
start to you know, when you get to that end
half of the season, you really start to lose sight
that you're here doing this for fun because it becomes
that competition. You worry about what the judges say, and
then what all the hate that he was getting online,
which is end us every day. Uh, and that can

(16:02):
get to a person. You know that we're all human,
that that sort of thing is going to get to you.
And so we weren't on the same way for a
little bit there, Like around the Country week and then
we we got back onto it, you know, but everyone
goes through that every season. I have that with every partner.
You have a moment where it's like I can't stand you,
and then you come back to it. You guys, the
show dives so much into obviously the stars who come

(16:23):
on the show and dance with you guys, and their
story and their journey. Do you have? Is you guys
as the pros? Do you guys ever like, well, what
about us? Like? We want to tell our story and
our side of things and where we come from and
what we're doing and how we got here? Do you
ever guys? Talk about that? Every now and then the
show gives us a little moment where we get to
talk about something that has to do with us. I
think a couple of times we have. But honestly, it's

(16:44):
not the job, right. You come onto Dancing with the
Stars knowing that you are the person to give this
other other person a journey, and that is actually more
rewarding than having to sit and talk about yourself. I
don't even think I'd know how to create a dance
for me, but I am so good at and I
love create eating dancing dances, for other people about their story.
Storytelling is my jam, but if it was my own story,

(17:05):
I'd be like, oh, I don't know what to tell
that that. There's just so many things I actually prefer
being able to create for other people than myself. So
I love that element of it, to be honest. When
did you struggle with your body image? Oh my gosh.
It was from when I was a young teenager. I
every Tuesday night, I would be weighed in front of

(17:26):
the start. Yeah, we all got weighed because at dance class. No, yeah,
we're in a dance competition. And we would have training
sessions every night, and every Tuesday were all the girls
would not the guys might do. The guys didn't have
to get away, just the women would have to line
up and get wade. Uh. And every Tuesday night I
was told that I needed to lose more weight, and
I would spend the whole day not eating because you know,

(17:48):
you're fourteen fifteen and is it a competitive competitive room.
The dance industry is brutal that way that you know
you're you're you seemingly have to have this image. Um,
And that was the beginning of me not loving my body.
I've always been athletic. I've always been very strong in
my build. I'm not the slim, slim girl that you see,

(18:09):
but it's your bodies and I know that now. But
I didn't get that then. You know what I mean.
I love my body from my muscles and my curves
and what it could do for me. Um, but it was,
it was a real thing. I would want to wear
all the baggy clothes and all this and all the costumes.
I just I wanted to cover everything up because I
was so insecure, and I thought that that was what

(18:29):
was getting in the way of me winning. Wow, in
that crazy So what age was did that kind of
click for you that you kind of embraced your body? God, honestly,
I would say, really honestly, truly early late twenties, late
twenties and early thirties. I'm thirty three now. It's only
been the last four or five years of my life
where I'm like, No, I love my skin that I'm in.

(18:51):
I love what I what it's given me, what I
get to do. When I see what other people look
at me, and I'm not seeing myself right, I just
like body dysmorphe, I'm not seeing what other people see,
And so I went through my own journey again of
learning to love the skin that I'm in, And it
really was dance that helped me do that. It was
dance has always been my therapy as a kid. It's
always been where I've released things and emotions and discovered things.

(19:14):
And I started to really take notice of what my
body has done for me my entire life, and how
much I should love it and how much I should
take care of it. Uh, And it was it's a
difficult journey to love yourself, it really really is. It is. Well,
I'm really happy for you though that you're on this,
you know, I mean, because I've always been super envious

(19:35):
of you. I think you're beautiful in your body, like
you look amazing like always, I'm just like, god, she's
so hot, Like You're just like, you're so freaking what
do you got hearing you talk about that? Because I
think everyone can relate, whether they're too big or too small.
Janna just went through it too. It doesn't matter what
you are, someone's gonna criticize you for it. I have

(19:56):
not very farm last night, which is crazy, and two
times two women had to be asked. It's like so
upsetting too. They couldn't ride the ride because they were
too big, and these women were not big. That's what
was really and and we you know, these were strangers,

(20:16):
but you kind of comfort the stranger, like, don't worry
about it, you look beautiful. And it was. But it's
like every day somebody is judging you or something happens
like that, and it's like, I don't even know how
we're supposed to deal with all that that. I guess
for me, what I had to learn is that I
can't control that. Like you said, there's always going to
be someone that can't stand something about you, and they're
going to find that thing or something like that. What

(20:38):
can you not stand about me? Because she went straight?
There's something that someone's nothingness. You've gotten here before, right.
It's so hard being in the public eye sometimes because
people want to come at you. They find a way
to take their own insecurities out on you. And the
biggest thing is to realize that it actually has nothing
to do with you. These things that people say about
you that I mean, actually have nothing to do with

(20:59):
you as a person. That's their own issue, and so
you don't deal with it. You just brush it off.
And walk away. You choose to not deal with it,
You choose to not take it on and to to
have it become a part of you. But that is
a really difficult skill to learn, you know, do you guys,
you guys think, I mean, for both you, Janna and Sharna,
for you guys are both too beautiful women. You know,

(21:20):
and you guys take care of yourselves. But do you
find it harder to come out and be honest about
maybe your insecurities about yourself because the outside world probably
looks at you and thinks you guys are beautiful women.
It's like, oh, you're being petty, like you're so pretty,
Like how dare you come out and say you feel
this way about your body? Well that's why I didn't
want to post the photo of my stomach after because
I was like, oh, someone's going to say that like

(21:41):
I looked too small, and I ended up like getting
crap for that. Yeah, so I didn't so I was like, yeah,
let's wear baggy stuff, or like, yeah, how don't present
him same? I think, yeah, absolutely, It's it's no matter
your shape, your size, or what you look at. We
all have insecurities, and so if I have insecure is
about the way that I look. But someone else criticizes

(22:03):
me for that. That's really unfair because I genuinely go
through that and we all have to go through that
journey of accepting and loving ourselves and having someone point
the finger and say you're ridiculous for feeling that way.
You're actually that doesn't help me. You're smaller than me. Yeah,
It's like, yeah, I might be more fit than you,
but I still there's something that I don't like about myself, right,

(22:23):
So don't tell me that, you know. Yeah, again, it's
that journey to loving yourself. But we we live in
a world where people want to point the finger and
criticize because it takes it away from themselves, you know
what I mean. And so again you have to make
the choice to go, Okay, I'm going to choose for
that to not affect me. I'm going to choose to
not take that on, and I'm going to choose to
go through my own journey of loving myself regardless of

(22:44):
what they say and what they How do you do that?
Because I can say that and I try it and
I cannot do it. It's it's really difficult. It's for me,
it's a lot of journaling and a lot of practicing gratitude.
Every morning I wake up, I practice gratitude, and it
puts the focus at the beginning of my day, not
on everybody else is doing, not on my Instagram feed,
not on what people are saying on Twitter. Don't even

(23:04):
look at it. It It used to be the first thing
I looked at in the morning and it ruins your day.
But now I start my morning with I wake up,
I grabbed my gratitude journal and I write down, try
and do different things every day, but different things that
I love about myself, my life, and things that I'm
so grateful for. And it starts my day with a
focus on all the positive things in my life. And
then I walk my dogs and make my coffee and

(23:25):
I enjoy my life and my life that I have
built for me before I have to go and deal
with the work things, or the other people, or the
things that may cause me in securities. And it's I
try and go back to that thought I try and have.
If I get in a moment where I feel like
things are getting too much, I just you know, whether
it's in my car, whether it's at home, wherever it is,
I just try and it's like meditation, right. You breathe in,

(23:45):
you breathe out, and you have a marchra and just
keep saying it to yourself and it really does help
level out your emotions and what frequency you're vibrating on,
because that is a really big part of it. Negative
emotions create more negative emotions, and then you start vibrating
on this really fast freak and see that just feels awful.
So you have to learn to calm yourself down and
breathe through it, uh and really look at what's in

(24:05):
front of you and what you value most and it's
not other people. And it takes practice too. I mean,
it's that's the thing. It's a daily Yeah one day,
it's not just gonna do it one day like I'm
gonna feel great about myself. Sometimes it's just got to
keep doing it over and over and over again. I
think that's so important. That's what Sharan and I were
actually talking about that before she came in, and Mike
can relate as like an athlete. You have to do

(24:27):
it like it's a sport, your training, your training, your
mind because it doesn't happen overnight. It's these for something
to become a habit, So try something for twenty one
days and then go from there. Um, real quick, sorry,
I want to talk to you about your the Dance
Cardio series, but I have to ask a question UM
for the moms here because as a mom and your

(24:51):
daughter Um is in competitive cheer, competitive dance gymnastics, same
for you to h. So my question with that is
do you think that, I mean, how do how do
you go around that? For some when I when I
when I put Jolly into skating or dance, obviously, if
it's competitive, you're gonna be Yeah, they're weighing and all

(25:16):
their body image. So we're it's a tough industry, right,
I think that and I say this, and I don't
have kids, but all I know that that helped me,
and it only came later in life, was learning to
not take on what other people say. Now when you're
a kid, that's really really difficult. I think the best
thing you can do is teach nutrition and teach health

(25:36):
and you know, and teach kids to be able to
look after them themselves nutritionally right, to understand what they're
putting in their body makes a really big difference, and
it's your health at the end of the day, not
just your image. So you want to be healthy from
the inside out. Uh, And I think that's where having
you know a body that you can love because you've
taken care of it really takes place. But as far

(25:57):
as what other people say, it's I think this is
and this is going to sound awful, it's it's something
that we all go through to build up your thick skin, right,
And the only thing you can do is be there
for them and let them know that that is not
what the opinion of them that should matter. The only
opinion should matter is what they think of them. Like,
what if they said Emmy was too because she's a flyer,
So what would they What would you say if they

(26:18):
said that she has to weight? I will say with
because she does competitive cheer, so I do. And I
had dancer friends, completely different ballgame and that industry. It's
it's brutal um for them. They kind of because it's cheer,
they kind of embrace different sizes. Yes, it's harder for tumbling,
but like you need a tall girl to be a
back spot, you need to be so it's not as

(26:40):
big of an issue and cheer. Granted it is harder
for tumbling. Obviously, and so that could be a thing,
but I honestly don't think it would come up for
Emmy and cheer but dance. I mean, I have friends
that went through it. It's the same thing. Didn't need
got weighed all that. Let me let me ask to
propose the scenario then, because through sports for men from
boys and males and stuff like that. Even in youth football,

(27:02):
you had to make weight. You have to be a
certain way to play in a certain weight class. Okay,
And that's just that's just the guidelines. There's are the
rules and regulations. So you're saying, why isn't okay then
for women to get in. I'm just saying to a
certain extent, if you know, even in professional sports, like
guys would have to be if you know, the big
guys lineman, if they weren't under a certain weight, they'd
get fined thousands of dollars for a pound for being overweight,

(27:24):
like the NFL. Are you, yeah, one of those dudes
got too big, which I forget one of those quarterbacks
got eight too much and and got fine like ten dollars.
Teammates that were on a straight plan where like they
would have signed something in the off season says that
you get to stay between this way and this weight,
and if you're not in it, you're getting fine. You
know what sucks for just for you to worry about too.

(27:44):
If you want to add something to list is little
boys that are little that is literally brutal. If they
are not tall, well, here you go, it's brutal. I mean,
I know a lot of people that go talk about
growth hormones and all kinds of things because it's it
might be worse. Yeah, I mean, my son is seven
and he's little. But um, I think for us and

(28:09):
kind of two sharness point, I think it's they go
through things and they're going to go through thanks growing
up to get a thick skin. And I think as
parents it's our job to show that we're comfortable in
our own skin and that to teach them those things
in addition to the nutrition example. Right. But I mean
it's interesting what you said though about you know, hey,

(28:29):
if the guys can go through, I mean we have
to have just as thick skin too, as is you know,
women girls exactly what Sharnes said, it's learning to you know,
you've got gotta get thick skin. Something conditioning, right, exactly,
and so I think too many people have expectations now
for society to conform to people's needs, as opposed to

(28:49):
people realizing you're not always going to get the job,
You're not always going to be the prettiest. Now is
gonna be the smallest or this or that. So like
if we had an Abby Lee Miller screaming at Jolie, like,
you wouldn't get upset about that all No, not how
we were taking we would take her a back. That's ridiculous.
That's if if I saw my kid in a class
and that's how she was being taught, I would lose that.

(29:13):
I'm talking about, Hey, I'm sorry, your son or your
daughter can't do this because they've got to be this
certain weight. And I guarantee you there's parents out there
it's like that's bullsh because you know, and start defending
their child when it's like, I'm sorry, Like if your
if your kids seven years old and pounds, that's unhealthy.
You know what I mean. That's not taching nutrition. That's

(29:35):
not teaching a kid to know how to live a
long and healthy life. We seem to be going away
from this, but I'd love to have the mom's answer,
the everybody gets a trophy, we don't keep score. It's
from me. Are you guys finding that? That's I hate it.
I'm so against it, so against it. But no, it's

(29:55):
not going away. It's only getting worse that everybody gets
a trophy. Yeah, because I thought that's sort of that
seems very millennials experience that, and I think it's why
they're a little screwy, to tell you the truth, the
whole participation award. I I'm on the same page. I
don't get it. I think that that takes away drive
and incentive to be the best. Right, How do you
become a leader if you if you get the same trophy. Anyway,

(30:16):
Like my daughters on competitive cheer and they are not
good this year, they're just I mean, I'm sorry. She
knows that she's just like me, she's competitive. But like,
if everyone just got I mean, she's six almost seven,
So if they all just got a participation trophy for it,
is she going to learn that she needs to work harder?
Is that team going to learn that they need to
work harder to place? Real to my dad saying to me,

(30:38):
you lost, too bad, too bad, You've lost? Try again?
My only issue with it was Jolie had a ballet
recital and they gave her this star trophy and Michael
wanted to throw it away. She's too Okay, She's like
it was it was tarling little star, and He's just like,
why did she get a trophy? I was like, because

(30:59):
she's too Michael, because she's like me. And I was like,
oh here it begins like already she's too like but
that's exactly what she's too. She's not gonna remember whether
she got a trophy or not. So why are they
giving her a trophy? Because it's cute and yeah, and
she was adorable doing it. That's what we talked about. Validation, Right,
Why isn't mom and Dad's validation of or her own

(31:21):
validation of being able to go up and do that.
Be proud of herself. Mom and Dad are proud of you.
That should be enough. A trophy doesn't shouldn't matter period. Okay,
all right, I'm just saying anyways, trying up. I get it.
It's a really interesting conversation because it it really tells
us what we're breeding right now. Right, they're kind of

(31:41):
people that we're gonna make. They're gonna have to be
leaders at some point to lead this country. And are
we teaching them how to do that? I don't know. Well,
he even said he's like, sometimes bullies are an okay thing.
Remember he said that, Yeah, sometimes, like people have to
learn that deal with bullies. The world is a harsh place.
They're never going to go away, right, It's thinking in
the young always going to exist. You can't eliminate bullies

(32:02):
that you can hopefully teach better ways to deal with
them and to um de escalate situations and to understand
where it's coming from, right, and to not take it personal.
That's a really interesting conversation. Beth. Do you have anything
for Sharna? Because this is she's this is your biggest
fan right here, by the way, you love her. Don't

(32:24):
say anything for you ever since Janna's season thank you?
You know you didn't get a Mirrable trophy every season. No,
I didn't get one every season exactly for seven years.
To get that tangrble. You should have got it with James.
That's all I'm saying. Do you have any questions for Sharna?
He told you I don't. Okay, she just she's like,

(32:47):
oh my god, I have a question though about your
Dance Cardio series. Okay, tell me all about it and
what how our listeners can can join. And so this
started about a year ago and it happened because has
gone back to that conversation of learning to love the
skin you're in and whatnot. My journey really came through
dance and I learned to walk with confidence, move with confidence,
love my body and what it does for me, and
it keeps me fit at the same time. So I

(33:09):
wanted to be able to share that experience. I've also
watched now for seven years, time and time against celebrities
come on the show and walk and move with so
much more confidence at the end of it. You know,
the biggest success story for me is Noah Galloway, who
was missing his left arm and left leg my war vet,
and by the end of that season he was moving
with so much grace and confidence with his prosthetic, And

(33:31):
to me, that is probably one of the best and
greatest things I could have done, even beyond a mirrable
on this show and what dance gave to him. So
I wanted to find a way to share that experience
with other people, and so was born the Dance Cardio Series.
And it's currently got three videos out. We're releasing another
one in a week. They're all inspired by a different
dance blended with workout moves. It's all directed to a

(33:52):
certain part of your body. Everything has a different target,
but it's also a lot of fun at the same time,
and you're learning how to dance. So you can find
it on shop dot Shanna Burgess dot com and that's all.
I'll have all the workouts, all the merchandise and all
the things. Okay, we'll make sure to tag it then
in in the subscription. Where else can can you give
your handles to? Yes, you can find me everywhere Shanna Burgess.

(34:15):
And on Facebook it is real Shanna Burgess Shana. And
then that happened because my mom was really panicking one
day because other people had fake accounts in my name.
She's like, you need to do something so people know
that's not you. So now it's the real Shanna. And
then the Dancing with the Stars tour is starting. When
the Dancing with the Stars tour is about to happen,
I believe I'm actually not going on this time, but

(34:38):
he's doing like three or four days, so he's not
doing the whole thing. If he was like the whole thing,
you better believe I wouldn't have missed it. But I
was already booked to go home and spend some time
with family, which is much needed for me. But it
is starting in a couple of days, going to be
going for fourteen weeks across the country. From what I
know of the show is amazing already. They have a
range of different celebrities coming to join in and I'm

(35:00):
definitely going to go see the Radio City one. Awesome. Well,
happy holidays. Thank you for sharing everything with us. We
love you. Thanks. Hey, babe, how is our investing going?
Because I'm kind of leaving you to that world. Yeah,
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(36:03):
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(36:25):
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(36:46):
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free thirty day trial. All right. As everyone knows, we
love talking relationships on this show. Yes we do, honey.
Oh oh, by the way, sorry before we enture this, Um,

(37:07):
hey guys, I'm here. By the way, Mr Steve didzi
high Steve. We're good at What I was about to
say that was this show we're trying to keep really
light and like fun because the last couple, you know,
I we had a therapist on and I was like
crying because I have really bad anxiety and my husband
doesn't understand kind is always gonna be sad and depressing.

(37:30):
Don't well usually is though with us. So I was
just like, this is gonna be such a fun episode
and watch like in five minutes, I'm gonna be like, so,
we're really excited to talk to you because I love
By the way, that not that I've used that for
all my weddings, but good show. Um, but no, but

(37:56):
you have an amazing app now called Lasting. You're the
founder of Lasting. I am. Yeah, And actually a big
part of my career was building the NOTAP, so I'm
so happy you loved it. Is there anything I can
tell the team about what do you want to see? Um? Honestly, no,
I love it because it's very easy because I was
able to find like the florists on there because it's

(38:17):
very clickable, so that's I like that. Very user friendly,
so I was able to find, you know, I saw
some dresses on there that I liked and it was you.
It routed me really, really nice, so I appreciate that.
And then having the website and stuff was really easy
with the not so all of it was great, that's right. Yeah,
Well I was at the not I interviewed one engaged
couple every single week for two years because I wanted

(38:40):
to deeply get inside their heads wedding planning purposes. And
I loved ending the interviews with why are you getting married?
And I would always hear these rate and actually, to
be really honest with you is in those two plus interviews,
I realized that the marital expectations of America are a
way off us. And that's not bad, but I realized

(39:02):
that there needed to be a marriagey sours to get
you on the same page and really do a good
job at expectations setting and that's a big part of
the genesis of Lasting and how it all, how it
all happened. So can you kind of describe Lasting to
our listeners because um, you know, we took a look
at it and I really think it's so beneficial, especially
with the practices that you have on there. So if

(39:24):
you could just tell our listeners, that would be awesome. Yeah.
Last Thing makes marriage counseling simple. We referred to it
as a gym membership for your marriage. And just like
a gym, starts with a trainer who assesses where you're
strong and where you're weak, Lasting asses where you're strong
and weak as a couple, and we build a plan
that just write for you and your partner. And whereas

(39:44):
a gym, it could be an hour long session. Last Thing,
because we know human behavior, every single sets in the
whole app is under five minutes long, so you can,
especially as a parent chairman too. Your schedule is a
very busy day and a sting could be an exercise,
it could be a quiz, but of it is designed
to open up your emotional connection and help you get
on the same page across the wide variety of topics

(40:06):
in laws, money, sex, communication, etcetera, etcetera. Every single thing
we're trying to do is to amplify the process of
marriage counseling. I mean I love that because m my
my best to hear Katherine hates marriage counseling, and uh
what I kind of happen to say, I don't love it?
So what so for her? Like, why would it be

(40:27):
you know, what's beneficial for that? Like, because obviously she
doesn't love going a couple of therapy, but is this
easier for her? Yeah, that's the primary reason why we
built it. I'm a huge fan of marriage counseling. Sorry, Catherine,
I'm a big fan. I think to do a lot
of couples, but there are so many barriers in place.
There's a cost barrier, there's a large time scheduling barrier,

(40:51):
and then one of the largest factors in the therapy
relationship is the actual fit with the therapist. Because it
costs so much, it might take two or three or
fourth therapists to find the right stitch. You've already thrown
up thousand dollars down the drain before you even get started.
So the last thing we believe we needed to bring
that a truly accessible version of counseling to America. And

(41:12):
so it's really d I Y, It's simple, it's with
it with one's happened. Within three minutes, you learn something
brand new you never knew about yourself and your relationship.
And you'll get a peek inside your partner's brain, which
is just a really beautiful process to watch that and
fold for for tend of thousands couple. So, Steve, where
are you guys drawing like your exercises and kind of
you know, resources you have on the app for couples?

(41:34):
Where are you guys drawing that from? Do you have
therapists that you work with? And you have some professionals
some psychiatrists like what is it? Yeah? So then was
really generous with my time. I give them a lot
of credits. They gave me a year to explore and
study and in the process I read over Now I've
read over four longitudinal marriage studies if you can believe that, um,

(41:55):
and we've chosen the most widely replicated studies on marriage
studies that show over already forty years of time, what
truly caused this marriage to dissolve versus what truly caused
this couple to be happy for thirty to forty years.
And we've chosen Hudo Studies partnered up with three therapists,
one in particular, her name is Liz Caliza. She's a
remarkable therapist in St. Louis. But her and I crafted

(42:18):
a brand new marriage program for millennials based on the
fact that we just touched such a short amount of time,
and also the fact that we live with our mobile phones,
and so much of our mobile phones and after we
use distracts from our life, and we wanted to actually
use the mobile phone for good and it's not distracted,
but that could actually help you a new partner connect
rather than disconnect. So question for you, Steve about that. UM,

(42:40):
not trying to call you out, Mike at all about
this people about Katherine. Oh, well, you know, I'm just
trying to start drama, you know, it's all It's what
I do. I'm just you know, I'm just here for that.
But okay, not again, not calling you out. But so
we did this thing UM called The loved Are and
we only got halfway through it. It's this kind of
the book and you sit down and you, um, uh,

(43:02):
you do a challenge every day? Okay? And so he
basically we stopped um and he hasn't. I felt like
I was the one that was wanting to do wanting
to a pick a back up and then also continue
on the challenges. And I I felt not resistance from him,

(43:23):
but I felt like he wasn't making it a priority.
Why are you looking at me like that? Okay? So
is there something on your app where it's almost like
a reminder so that the spouse doesn't feel like left,
like forgotten about? Yeah? Left. I don't want to be
the only one to be like okay, babe, like we've

(43:44):
got her. You know, we've got this assignment to do
where we got this on there? So is there something
where there's like a reminder where it doesn't feel like
it's a one sided participation. Yeah. Actually, one of our
most popular creatures in the app is called exactly that.
It's called reminders, and you can get the program your
life in favor of your marriage. I like to say
so my phone reminds me every morning at nine am

(44:06):
to express appreciation to my wife. It just sends me
a little ping, and every afternoon it reminds me to
ask how I can help her, because that's a very
important question that's very few of us ask um. But
literally throughout the day is getting pinged from last thing,
and it's really non threatening and it's really easy with
a little prompt in your life. We have to I
got to study human behavior from a great I got
Stanford named Dr b J. S. Bogg, and he likes

(44:29):
to say that even highly motivated people who can do
something for their partner don't simply because they're just not
prompted to um. They're not prompted to you by some
sign or signal or their phone. And so we wanted
to we wanted to really take advantage that with the
mobile phone. Mobile phones are very good at prompting us
to do things. And so just all it takes a
simple tap and last thing and then on a daily basis,

(44:50):
you're reminded to do something nice to your partner. But
how sad is that? Though? Too? Though you know that
we have to we have to be reminded, We have
to be mindful and reminded to remind our partner or
ask our partner if they need something or that that
we love them like to me that's like that bums
me out that we can't that we don't do that. Yeah,
I just think it's I think it's the part of

(45:10):
just being a human. You know, there's there's so much
to do, and doing preventative medicine is very difficult, do
you know what I mean. It's really hard to stay
healthy while you're healthy, and you oftentimes don't start using
something until you're slightly less healthy. And I get that,
Like I've we just had a baby five months ago,
and I've actually stopped going to the gym. But like

(45:32):
when somebody just on the reminds me to like do
that pushed up in my house? Push up? Do it now?
Yeah exactly No. But I really do love that though,
because so many people um that listen to our show
are I was like, you know, how can I strengthen
communication and you to talk to my partner and you
just have a better relationships? So I love, I love, like,
I really love this and I just if two people

(45:54):
can get on board to do it, then I think,
you know, I think it's a fantastic tool for people
to have to strengthen their I think men in general,
two are more tangible where if we have something you
had a book, it's a tangible book that that book
didn't jump out of the drawer and say, hey, yeah,
but why wouldn't you knew how much like you know,
do you need to put a stick around, say hey, dummy,

(46:15):
started this back up with your wife. It's it's it's
it's tough, it's there's a it's a gray area because
at the same time, like when you use the word assignment, Jannah,
you said, aren't there are there any assignments you can do?
It's like if you came to your husband or came
to your significant other and told a guy, hey, let's
do this assignment to work on our I never said
assignment for the book. No, I'm not saying for the book.

(46:36):
I'm saying when you're talking about the app like, is
there any assignments? I'm just saying the word assignment, Like
if you came to me and said you have such
a problem with like assignment or assignment, like I'm not
in school, Like get that out of here. So I
just feel like that the verbiage, too, is delicate. When
he comes to some men, darling, will you do lasting
with me? Do you want to last? The test of

(47:01):
what is that it's test of time. What's that saying? Yeah, yeah,
maybe that still maybe that still helps to you know how,
Like we tried to take advantage that main effect when
like when you post an Instagram, like you put a
little bit of work in and then someone likes your Instagram,
you get that nice little mean rush um. So we

(47:22):
try to replicate that when you when you play a
sept in last thing and then your partner finishes it,
you get pushed down a vacation and within one twice
you get to peek inside your partner's brain because we
overlap your answers on the top of one another, and
you could kind of compare your perspectives on something. And again,
very non threatening, but like we just want to get
people talking. How many people have you got divorced? I'm

(47:48):
not sure? And I laughed nervously. I mean I guess,
I guess, yeah, I mean, we we're trying to really
play the role of relationship mediator. In some cases couples
have very serious issues, in other cases they don't. But
the kind of beauty of the app is that it
just like that trainer, like when you go to the gym,

(48:08):
you can be really out of shape, where you can
be pretty healthy, and so we we account for all
those types of cases. How does this how does this
affect to get personal? How does this affect like your marriage?
When you know, because I always think about therapists or
people who write these expert books and and and and
things like that you're doing with this app which seems amazing,
like how are how are things behind you know, closed doors?

(48:30):
Is it something that you know you practice what you
preach or do you find there's there's more obstacles because
this is what you're doing with your life. Now, that's
a great question that there's always I forget what the
term is. It's like the dilemma of the founder. It's
like you've found something because you're en shambles, right, and
so in our case, honestly, like our marriage has totally

(48:50):
changed since we've truly embraced all of these scientific principles.
I'll give you one very concrete example because I just
think it's the beautiful illustration of what last thing can do.
Um So Dr John Gottman, my favorite research hero in
Mary in the marriage space, he found that nine person
the time you begin a conversation poorly, and that can
be because of your words, your tone, or your volume,

(49:12):
and the conversation will go very poorly as well. The
last example is what's wrong with you? Like when you
say that to somebody, are they supposed to reply with, Oh,
I don't know, let me think about what's wrong with me?
Like now, they're probably gonna like lash back at you
because they're in the sense of books. So my wife,
whenever would we would get into an argument in years
one too of our marriage, to kind of respond to

(49:33):
meum with this stafty tongue like Stephen, I can't believe
he did that, And then when she would bring it
up again the next day, she would to be very
sarcastic um. And so I was like, Honey, I'm sitting
with you just like just all you have to do
for me is also your tone and responding with them
with complete sarcasm. She said, Oh, do you mean talk

(49:54):
to you like this in a in a very senseful
I can do that? And I was like, yes, I
was like, I know you're completely being faked right now,
but I actually love that because I have some I
pissed you, like I don't know what happened to me
in my past, but something about the way my parents
used tone, or some kids in school used tone with me.
It really affects me emotionally. And so when we finally

(50:16):
saw that scientific step from Gottman and then actually selected
it out in our own relationship. Now she begins her
conversations very gently and it's it's really conducive to healthy discussion.
I love that. That's kind of how you are, too bad,
We're both the same way. Yeah, it's true. Mine for
Jana is more about like timing. Her timing on things
is just awful sometimes. Well, like last night, I was

(50:38):
trying to have a conversation with you. I just realized
that he literally can only do one thing at a
time because I'm trying to have a conversation with them.
I'm emptying the dishwasher, loading the dishwasher, have a baby
on me, Like, I'm like doing five million different things,
and I'm asking him a question. He's like really, like,
there's two seconds left in the game, and I'm like,
can you not watch and talk to me? Do you

(51:00):
feel like the conversation could have been prompted at a
different time? But I was like, hey, babe, like yeah,
I was like, well, there's literally four seconds is the
game winning play. Do we have to make this like
to decision that we need to make in like two
months right now? Yeah, we do so. Anyways, so are
our listeners can just go on it's just Lasting app correct, Yeah, yeah,

(51:25):
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we just talk about holidays and in laws? Amy just

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goes this whole two weeks coming up is like not
my favorite time, right, I am so like, is it
January four? Because we're having a party for you on
January four? Oh my god, I'm so excited. Why are
we doing that at? So we're doing it at seaside
by the pier? Am I saying the name right? Hold on,
I'm gonna have to look that up. But it's in
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Instagram stories a little closer in l A. And that's

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here around January four that we're having a party for
that Hard Podcast Awards because we are nominated. Yeah, and
so voting ends for the podcast Wars on the six,
So we'll have a big party on the fourth, and
anyone that's in town should come, all our Southern California
listener That would be so much anyway, So I'm actually
looking forward to that. But just you don't have to

(54:19):
deal with in laws, thou. No, I have to deal
with everybody else's in laws, but not even my own.
So I have two brothers within laws, so I have
like I just am told what to do for the holidays,
like I get no say whatsoever, like you will go here.
So finally I just bug out on Christmas and I'm
going to Tahoe with my aunt mouncle. I love that.
See that's what I mean. We're having Christmas. We're having

(54:41):
Christmas here. In the next Christmas, give me Nashville. And
obviously we're not going to get into the conversation where
the next Christmas is gonna be, but it'll hopefully be
in Nashville. Thanksgiving too, we'll go We'll go somewhere else
for Thanksgiving. I do think it starts to be. I
know we talked about it on the other episode, but
it's like eventually everybody and just come to you, right,

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what do you talk to me? Well, all my family
is in the same place, But what's your issue with
your Nobody is saying no, I'm never saying, Rachel, what's
your issue? Okay? I have to play Devil's advocate here
because I am blessed with the most amazing in laws

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in the world. Like really, my mother in law came
up two days ago and helped me wrap like forty gifts.
So I need to not be in this conversation. So, Katherine,
you don't have any issues either, none whatsoever? Sure, I
mean let me say, let me say one thing though,
if I may speak for Bath, so we talk about

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the whole You don't want to travel and do other stuff?
Right if I'm wrong Bath, But you guys, what last
year you did, that's her decision. You went down to
your family in southern Tennessee and then a day later
you went to Maryland to go be with jess family,
just to be with all the family. And sometimes that's
just what you do, right, And you know what, we'll
do it the day after Christmas or that they were
not traveling on Christmas, and she sorry, you can't enjoy

(56:11):
your Christmas Christmas Christmas. I actually weirdly love traveling on
Christmas Day too. Yeah, but you know what, your parents
weren't divorced. You were going from here to there. Can
you get that personal problem? It is a personal problem.
It's trauma our family too. If I'm subjecting the beautiful

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day of being home and waking up to bacon smells
and eggs and we can do that at a grandparents
house too, I want to do it at our house.
I feel in Christmas Eve and Christmas are the longest
days of the year. I remember last Christmas Eve, it
wasn't like in the bust mood, and I said to
my mom, it's got to be like nine thirty, right,
and she's all, it's six fifteen because we usually probably

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eat it three and just hitch dark in the days
like forever and nothing. I'm so bored, Like you're getting
no interesting text. You're only getting like Mary Christmas and
copy and pastes to every friend Mary Christmas, hope you
have a great one, love you and ands emailing. It's
like reruns, except for maybe there's a couple of football games.

(57:17):
Isn't there a Detroit game? Maybe always on dead Thanksgiving God,
So we don't even have that, Like, yeah, who's coming
from am? We check our email out like two in
the morning, and she's the only one sent in as emails.
Thank youness. I had someone who talk to you while
I'm feeding Jolie anytime, I'm like, she's confessed her, Oh
my god, it's okay. Jackie. The other day, all of
a sudden, he goes Jackie. I go, who the hell

(57:40):
is Jackie? He goes, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Like start talking now I was like Jackie from Jason
and the E from Jolie, and it just kind of
came out. It's jack Oh my god, that's actually so true.
You you're an official dad now because my parents, my
dad has called me D and Adam my whole life.

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I'm like, yeah, I'm Amy, but I'm like, who's Jackie?
It was the ultimate, an ultimate dad moment. I was like,
I'm literally just became my parent. Was not a dad
moment to me, though, It was an instant trigger. Who
the hell is Jackie? She went all, then give me
your phone. I need to know. Wenna laugh about this now.

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Katherine's like, I've always been on your side and I
was like, yeah, we all was so excited about the holiday. Um,
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we're going to take home to our kids and let
them do. God, we need to do this. I'm so
I'm so excited to just have a very relaxing holiday
this year, next year, in the year after that, and
the yearfter that. All right, y'all, happy holiday is Merry Christmas,
Felice navidad. Have fun traveling all your families because you
love them and want to be Oh my god, it

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was important have a great holiday. What we're trapped I'm having?
Are my mother? Are your your mother? Your mother in
law is flying into Christmas? I can't wait. What's the
biggest issue with my mom? With your mom? No issue
with your mother. She's a saint. Oh, you know, because
she listens. That's why you're saying. I don't know do

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trying to start stuff. I'm trying to cos drama, Ladies
and gentlemen, This is my wife, Janna Creamer. If you
don't know her, she loves to watch a world burn.
Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy