February 1, 2021 • 43 mins
This is a Whine Down you’ve all been waiting for! Stephen Colletti and James Lafferty are back with Jana to relive some of their craziest behind the scenes memories from One Tree Hill.
Find out what happened when Stephen reconnected with Kristin Cavallari!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind down and Michael and I'm radio podcast. All right,
So this is a really fun episode because well for
the tree Hillers, I mean for everybody, but for everybody.
But it's like, you know, so many of your fans
and following are tree Hillers, and they're loyal, so they're
always wanting to hear from former cast mates from the show.
(00:24):
And we have two awesome, awesome guys to Yeah, we're
going to have James Lafferty and Stephen COLLETTI um coming
on the show because they've got a new show on
Hulu right now. Um. Everyone's doing great. It's a really
really good show. So um, I'm excited to talk to
those dudes. But how are you feeling. We're about to
go to Canada this week? We are, I'm I'm excited.
(00:46):
I'm excited for the change. I'm excited for as we're
just as sounds. It's kind of a sense of normalcy,
right because we're used to traveling, were used to like
going places and doing things. So and Jason has become
such I mean the kids O. But Jason really is
a homebody because he's not used to traveling. Yeah, we
go anywhere in two seconds out He's like home home. Yeah,
(01:07):
thirty minutes stops and he's like home. So it'll be
good for him to change things out because once, you know,
traveling is a little bit more back to normal and
we're traveling more. We always try to take the kids
when we can if we're gone for a decent period
of time, so we want them to get used to that,
like Jolia is, Yeah, and I think I don't know, Yes,
(01:27):
I just wish that there wasn't the quarantine period because
it just adds because we have to quarantine for two weeks. Yeah,
and it's not I mean, honestly, that's not the part
that's giving me anxiety because I mean we pretty much
a quarantine here anyways. I mean we don't go anywhere
minus like the grocery store here there, or like Jolie's,
(01:48):
you know. I mean we go a few places, but
it's not maybe out to dinner once every two weeks.
But I don't know, it's not like it's going to
totally change. But I think just having to be being
told that you can't do something is what gives me anxiety.
So it's like you have to stay in this house
for two weeks and you can't leave, like automatically, I'm
like boom anxiety because I'm like, well, what if this happens,
(02:10):
what if like we don't even have a car, Like
what if something happens with the kids, like hello, emergencies
in the middle of the night, you know. So I'm
just starting to like freak out about that. So I
just actually emailed production because I was like, as if
there is something that happens in the the middle of the night,
like I'm not gonna be able to sleep knowing just
in case something happened. No, for sure, I think they
(02:31):
need to understand that with two kids, like I don't
care if they have a doctor on call, Like if
we have to go, we have to go, so just
to be able to have a car, they're accessible, and
you know, we're adults, we're professionals. We're not going to
go anywhere if they say don't go anywhere. Yeah you
know what I mean, Like we're not going to jeopardize
the production or the movie that you're doing to be selfish. Yeah,
(02:53):
you know what I mean. It's just I don't know,
I don't know why. I just have I have so
much anxiety around it, and you know, kind of like
we said, it's not our space. And but at least
it's better than it's better than what some I know
some people are they have to quarantine in their hotel
room and for two weeks. I'm like that, I for
sure like I would. I wouldn't do it. I couldn't
(03:15):
do it. I would lose my mind. I mean, it's
like being in a jail. I mean even mattress right,
even me, who you know, loves to contain his excitement,
and he's dropping her off, like singing, pull him out
her luggage and everything. He's like, all right, have the
most wonderful time. And she's like, no, put my bags
(03:37):
back in the car. I'm not going anywhere. You're too
him happy, Let's go home. And then on the way
home he's just miserable. And then you talked about at
lunch with his buddies, like the next day they're like,
you're too happy. You gotta contain it. Everyone knows you
gotta contain. It's like I'm gonna miss you, when really
you're like high fiving yourself inside. It was pretty funny.
That is funny. Huh yeah. But we're gonna be together.
(03:58):
It's gonna be great. No, the that we're gonna be together.
I mean because there had been I couldn't leave without
my kiddos and family. So I'm super excited. Um, so yeah,
we're heading off to Canada this week. Guys, you were
from here on out, the episodes are going to be
recorded in Canaday. They're all going to be in French.
(04:20):
That would be awesome. Do the speak French and Vancouver
that I thought that was more Quebec where we went
last time. Um, yeah, it's more of the eastern Canada.
But but still that was you know, a lot of
that was French territory in general, so I still think
there's more French. I guess there's more French than there's
like Spanish. Sure, Um hey, guys, did anyone get my
(04:45):
one brick Wines? If you didn't get him, now, well
don't you update this? How's that going? It's going really good? Yeah? Yeah,
we have a red blend, very inexpensive, low sugar, low
and sulf fates. I'm excited. Good. The sales are good.
Sales are doing good because I've been, I've been. People
are liking it. So that's what's exciting about it. That
is that is awesome because it's fantast it's so good.
(05:07):
It's fantastic. Well, we have like the best wine maker
too from Napa that did the you know, helped create
the wine with me. So I've been and the fact
that it's a little sugar makes me super happy. But
I'm excited for you that it's doing well because this
was like your baby. This was out of all the
things that you're doing. I know you really want this too,
(05:28):
you know, take off and be sustainable because it's something
that you're so passionate about. I do like my wine.
So um, and Michael is working on his hat business. Y'all,
it's gonna be good. It's going to be excited. We're
gonna you know. It's just we love you guys, that's all.
So we just thank you for your support. So before
(05:49):
we get um, James and Stephen on, you know, is
it is it feel like kind of like when you're
on a show like that, does it almost feel like
a high school reunion? Not that based regardless of that
was based in high school, but you know, it feels
like you're seeing these friends from a long time ago.
It just has that sense of like a high school
reunion for sure. I mean, I was definitely closest to
(06:13):
Stephen obviously, because I spent I did all my scenes
with Stephen. Um, I had very few scenes with James.
So and like when I was in the show, it was,
you know there there was just some not cattiness, but
just like you can't talk to this person if you're
friends with this person, and so it just became like
a So I wasn't very close to James because of
(06:38):
certain situations on the set at the time, But now,
I mean everyone's really close, and it's kind of frustrating
because I'm like, why couldn't we have all been friends then?
And you made like the Nevies life a little bit
of hell. But it's cool al right, because you couldn't
make up your mind for yourself because you as soon
as you got in there, whoever you stuck with, you
have to stick with. But now it's like annoying because
they're like, we're all friends now out and I'm just
(07:00):
like you one person literally made it hell for us
because if we chose the wrong friend, we would be destroyed.
So you know, now it's like, you know, well, now
everyone's adults, but that's very true. Yeah, so um, which
makes you just laugh at those things when you think
(07:22):
about your anyone's past in general, right, the cattiness or
the clickiness of things in high school in that age
and young twenties, you're like why, You're like, why can't
I have the knowledge I have the day and be like, um,
You're an idiot for thinking that, And I'm going to
talk to however, I want to know it's so true
because but I mean, like going on, I mean, we
me Chantala and Rob came on season seven, so it's
like they've already had six years to form these catrets
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and connections and you know, all these things. So it's
like we're just coming in like dipping our toes in,
like I don't want to make a mistake, you know,
but get that now though, it's nice, like you know,
now that I've been able to spend more time with
James on conventions and you know, just being able to
you know, hang out, and it's you know, they're awesome.
(08:07):
But yeah, Stephen and I are like we're like, kin,
you know, I think what's cool too, And I mean
just from their one convention I went with you two
last year and then also meeting Chantelle and meeting these
guys and a bunch of people in the cast. Um,
everyone was just so nice, Like everyone was really approachable, friendly. Um,
(08:33):
you know, you know, reciprocated in the conversation and questions
and everything. It wasn't just one sided and anything when
I was meeting any of these people. So that, you know,
that just goes to show the kind of some of
the character the people that I've met that you were
able to work with. Yeah. So, and James and Stephen
are definitely two of those guys, you know, So let's
(08:54):
take a break and get them on all right, Tree Hillers.
We've waited long enough. UM. So excited because James Lafferty
and Stephen COLLETTI are going to be on the show today.
(09:16):
So I remember they were working on Everyone is doing great. Yeah,
And last time we talked to both of them was
almost a year ago, was last February one Tree Hill conventiontion. Yeah.
So I'm just so proud of them because that Everyone's
doing great. Um got picked up by Hulu, and you know,
I have a little piece of that world with like
(09:38):
pitching show. I mean, me and Brian who was on
the show about um the first of the year, about
Love Addict. So we we had a show we were
working on. It is hard to pitch a show. I
mean we went to HBO, we went to Hulu, we
went to Amazon, like you know, you you go in
there and it's just like then they'll give you notes
with then this other network on something else. So I mean,
it is so incredibly hard. I think I was something
(10:00):
about The Queen's Gambit that was passed on like for
ten years or something crazy like that, So I mean
it's and then there was another show too, and I
know that's not the right amount time, but it was
something where it's so crazy. Um, even the Stranger Things
that was passed on a million times. So to be
able to have a show picked up on a network
(10:22):
nowadays is so hard. And I'm so proud of them
because these dudes are They're great guys. I mean I
was obviously closer with Stephen filming because he was my
scene partner. I didn't do much with James, UM, but
I love both of them. I'm so proud of them. Um,
and James just got engaged, which is awesome to a beautiful,
(10:43):
girlish actress. And then Stephen, I believe he's still kicking
it man, just in the single life but we have
some questions that came in from our Instagram to ask them. So,
did you see any on Yeah, there's definitely some on
here that are that are sticking out to me. So
as we're talking to him, I'll pepper these in there.
(11:03):
Anything about Kristen, Yeah, there's one about you know, Stephen
being pictured with Kristin at dinner recently or whatever. And
you know, I think he already addressed that and said
they're just good friends. Um, But now there's there's a
bunch on here, and it's so funny. I mean, people
love the Tree Hillers man. Oh yeah, I mean, and
I think too James had I don't want to make
(11:26):
this up, but I'm pretty sure James had a tough
time coming off of One Tree Hill because he was
so typecasted. Because I can imagine you being on a
show like that that long and being super typecasted. Yeah,
And I've always been someone on the outside of the industry.
I've always wondered that it's like some of these shows
that do so well, especially if it's like your your
(11:48):
big break, you know, later down the road, does that
plague you, you know, does that hurt you in a sense?
You know, I mean it's kind of like, you know,
our buddy Bob. Second, it's like you kind of just
have to embrace it after a while. It's like, okay,
I'm Danny Tanner. And but then again, you know, and
(12:10):
I know Uncle Jesse wanted to do the farthest thing
from Uncle Jesse. But then they obviously they did a rething,
you know, um, a reunion, and they filmed again because
Fuller House, because people love it, like people love to
see that character. So it's kind of like, all right,
you just have to embrace it a little bit. But Okay,
I'm so excited because when I saw I think it
(12:32):
was I was stalking your page, James. Sorry Stephen, but um,
James posts a little bit more. But um, I saw that,
you know, everyone is doing great was picked up on
Hulu and I I literally out loud. I was like,
oh my god, yes, Like I was so excited for
you guys because I know it's been a work in
progress and it's been I mean, how many years has
(12:53):
it been now even working on it? Four four? I think, yeah, yeah,
I think it's it's coming up on four like the
next month. I think since we shot, so I think
we shot the pilot in April of two thousand seventeen,
and then we got together because you guys were doing
more of you were raising more money for it, right
to shoot the some some episodes of it. Is that
(13:14):
that was did We did the crowdfunding for additional episodes,
and you were kind enough to come in and do
one of our live watches, which those were very popular
for us. That was that was that was huge, um,
instrumental part of our campaign and it was nice to
get that, you know, the One Trail community on board
and have you guys come out and help us out
and do those live watches like it was fun. I mean,
(13:35):
we don't get to see each other too often, so
it was nice to have an excuse to get together. Yeah,
and it was definitely fun. I'm curious though, because in
those four years, was there ever kind of like that
should we just stop like is this you know, we're
pitching it, we're trying to do this, we're not getting
or was it like, hey, no, we've got traction and
this is all good. Or did you ever have that
(13:56):
moment where you're like, I like, this isn't going to happen. Yeah? Yeah,
I think that was the that was the hardest part
of it all. The work um was amazing, and just
getting to do what we love to do was was
incredible every step of the way. Um, there were growing
pains for sure, and UM there were a lot of
challenges and things we had to learn a long way,
but it always felt it always felt good because we
(14:18):
were learning and because we we did feel like we
were towards something. But I do think the uncertainty of
it all was the hardest part, um of just really
not knowing, um where this was headed. We we never knew.
We always wanted it to be on Hulu, but we
never knew that we were going to get there. We
always felt like we were a long shot at best.
Um And in fact, you know, we were totally prepared
(14:38):
to just self distribute and see how that went, which
is a much tougher road. UM. So so yeah, I
mean I think that there were never moments where we
just wanted to throw our hands up and give up.
But there were definitely moments where I won't speak for Stephen,
but at least for myself, it was like, Okay, what
do we really doing here? Like how was this going
to end? Because it just sort of felt like it
(15:00):
was going on and on with no real life at
the end of the tunnel, Stephen, what about for you? Yeah,
I mean, um, for me, we always had that plan
of self distribution. That was the like, all right, the
last plan. Um, if we feel like we've we've you know,
exhausted all options and we feel like we've gotten our
fair shot, Um, then what you know, we'll self distribute,
(15:23):
which which is you know, which is fine? And again
it's it's still the accomplishment was really for us to
get the money to shoot the thing. I mean, and
and there was points in that campaign where we're doing
the indieog campaign where I was like, oh, man, like
this is we knew it was gonna be a big task,
but this is a lot bigger than than we expected.
And it was really really hard. Um, but you know,
we're we're grateful for the people that jump board to
(15:45):
help us out and you know kind of propel us.
But you know, you're you're asking money for forty five days,
so you know, um, you know, we can't do live
watches for forty five days straight, although that would have
been fun. We've got have hung out a couple more times,
but um, you know, there are those days is where
you're supposed to be kind of getting content there and
driving it every day, and you're like, ah, already i
am not on social media that much, and now I'm
(16:07):
on here every single day I ask people for money.
She got a little overwhelmed. But again, at the end,
goal there, for for the for the show, um was
what continue to drive us. And then there were these
moments along the way that like we're so unexpected, and
whether it's like Janet you coming in and doing the
live watch and that being very lucrative for us, or
being at some TV festival and James and I literally
(16:27):
sitting in a lounge at one point frustrated because we
can't get this video on YouTube and just a couple
of knuckleheads trying to you know, trying to work the internet,
and a woman had come up to us and had
just seen the screening and she just started talking to
us casually. Thankfully we were nice to her, because then
ten minutes later she's like, well, she's like, let me
see your campaign, and she wind up donating over twenty
(16:48):
dollars in that mone and so it's just, you know,
it's one of those things where, uh, lesson I learned
there is like you know, the perseverance, Like even when
you feel down, you know you've got to continue to strive, strive,
and if you need to seek help, see get you know,
get get your friends. You know, to be honest with
with yourself and your friends about you know, where you
might be or what you might need. And as long
as you're kind of putting yourself out there and you're
(17:09):
working hard, you know, things will happen, maybe not like
you expected, but still amazing things will happen. With the
timeline being, you know, the past four years working on
this project, how much, if at all, has the concept
around it changed, Like from day one of you guys
you know, having this idea and being to what it
is now. M hmm. I think the concept has stayed
(17:30):
pretty um, pretty consistent. I mean, we we always knew
what kind of show we wanted it to be. We
always knew we wanted it to feel dry. Um, you know,
in terms of its humor, we we knew that the
humor was going to come from like those little moments
when people don't know what to say to each other
instead of delivering punchlines. Um, we knew that we wanted
it to feel raw and awkward. UM and uh and
(17:51):
and sort of make you squirm a little bit. You know.
That's the kind of humor that we're really drawn to.
That's the kind of Those are the kind of shows
that really inspired us to make this show. UM. But
I will say that like one thing that really I
guess pleasantly surprised us and and opened up the whole
process for us was when we actually got to set
and shooting that first the first season was UM. You
(18:12):
know that the actors that came in and really elevated
the material. UM. It took you know, We've given a
lot of freedom to just do what they wanted with
their characters, bring as much as of themselves to the
character as they wanted to UM, because we felt like
that would just make it feel that much more authentic
and real and uh. And then every single actor that
came in, whether it was like for um, you know,
(18:33):
a tiny little scene or a reoccurring um, a reoccurring
role or you know our other leads, like they just
took what they had and what was on the page
and they elevated to this other level that we just
didn't even expect and was always so funny and so real,
and it just gave it breathed this knife into the
show that we were really grateful for because you know,
(18:56):
we knew that a show just about you know, Seth
and Jeremy and Andrea. Like any show that is only,
uh based on a few characters or where there's a
few characters that feel real, it's going to have a
limit to how many people it can reach, Right, It's
gonna have the limit to how many people actually it
actually resonates with. And so to be able to get
in the editing room and just feel like we actually
(19:16):
know these characters that we're cutting together and like these
these scenes that are coming to life in a way
that we didn't anticipate, was like that was incredible and
that was that was kind of unexpected. So, I know,
what everyone is doing great is um But for the listeners,
UM give us like the elevator pitch, like what is
it about and what can they expect? Yes, So there's
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these three people, James and I character and Alex Park's
character Andrea Davis, who were on this you know, huge
vampire drama. It was number one in the Zeke think
um uh you know Vampire Diaries or um what what
were the movies, Um, Twilight, Ye, sorry Twilight, I forgot. Um,
(20:00):
you know just where everyone is obsessed and these faces
are everywhere and people know who they are. Um, and
so you know that's where they were on a show
like that, and it's five years later, Um, and you're
just seeing them at home kind of struggling to put
life together. You meet life head on as they are,
you know, entering their thirties and and um middle age,
(20:22):
and um, things are not you know, not as as
smooth as they might have expected. And obviously coming from
having it easy and feeling the world is that their
fingertips earlier on in their life. Um, now they're they're um,
you know, they're struggling. The wheels are just kind of spinning.
So um, you know these characters what they're they're kind
of having to lean on each other. Um, when when
(20:44):
they all don't really have bus any leaning on each
other because of all that they're going through. Were you
guys able to draw from any personal stories or situations
from yourself for people that you knew to kind of
bring into this material. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of what
inspired us in the first place. Was is um, you know,
getting into our thirties and and just sort of realizing
(21:04):
that that that I guess that sort of I don't know,
that could of invincibility that you feel in your twenties,
you know, it starts to kind of wear off and
you realize that it was all it was never actually there, right, like,
you don't know. The more you learn, the more you
realize you don't know, and the more scary of the
world gets. And that's something that we were sort of
experiencing as we ended our thirties, and we were experiencing
(21:27):
it against the backdrop of you know, this industry that
is so incredibly uncertain and it's so absurd. Everywhere you look,
there's just crazy things going on and hilarious things going on,
and um, and we just thought that there was a
lot of comedy in that struggle. So, um, you know,
knowing that and sort of having those building blocks, we
just wanted to create characters for you know, for ourselves
(21:48):
and for this world that we could really map onto
those situations and have them deal with them in um,
really funny ways. You know. We just at the end
of the day, we just really wanted to make people laugh. Um,
you know, the struggle that they may be going through.
I feel like it's a way to get through things,
just to try to laugh it off and um, and
so yeah, it was really about just like, you know,
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characters that were close enough to ourselves that we felt
we could really portray them and and have it feel
real and authentic, but at the same time, you know,
heighten certain aspects of our own personality, like take it
further to one end of the character spectrum, so that, um,
you know, when they do get in these situations, there's
more sort of explosive things happening. Um. I love that
(22:31):
because I feel like in your thirties is when you're
just like a total wake up call, you know what
I mean. It's like what James said, I'd like we
said the cloak of invincibility, because I think that that
he just probably summed up my twenties perfectly. Right now,
it's like I run around, whether it's it's burning them
in oil or just you know, kind of not thinking
too far ahead. It's everything's kind of a little more
present and and and just the the long term consequences
(22:54):
of things, like it's just not there, you know. And
it's a beautiful thing. And I think we love to
have that, but you know it's it's the push and
pull about getting into your thirties. It's like you take
the experiences that you have had, and we talked about
this in the show, and you should be applying that
and hopefully be in a better headspace, right Like, Oh,
I just survived my twenties basically, and now I'm ready
to grow up and be an adult. But it's just
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not that smooth of a transition now. I feel like
when you get your thirties, you're like, I have issues
and I gotta work three because it's mental and physical too.
Like I used to I could play sports all the time,
but now, like getting out of bed, you're like, oh man,
I'm like I played in a softball game yesterday, and
what's wrong with you? Um? I want to know some
(23:36):
t though. Did you guys ever argue or fight during
this process, like get annoyed with each other? Did we
did we go to did we go to blows? Never
any fisticuffs? When we got physical it got mentally physical. Yeah,
we spent James and I had spent We spent basically
all two thousand nineteen in an editing room together. And
(23:59):
I don't care who you know who you love the
most planet. But spending the whole year in the room together,
that's marriage and quarantine. It's like when stop breathing last year,
I know, I know, UM, so you know it's thankfully
those are those are important moments for us because I
usually when we're you know, having mental digits over something,
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it's something that you know is gonna be better off
for it in the end. And you know, I think
it'd be a real problem we were just constantly agreeing
with each other and everything was hunky dorry because I
wouldn't really be honest, you know, um. And what's a
partnership about trust and honesty? So you know, you know,
nothing crazy thankfully um. And and you know, but we
know of course, where we are having a heated discussion
(24:42):
over particular scene or something, um, you know, we were
better off for it. And yet who wins who who?
Who usually wins? And who's usually right? It's usually it's
probably a coin toss, but it's usually I think that
it's usually whoever was right because usually usually what do
is well, you know, we'll have this like needed discussion.
(25:02):
We'll you know, we'll lock horns over something and we'll
sort of put it aside for a second until the
end of the day, you know, just to get the
work done, just to continue forward. And then towards the
end of the day we'll talk about it again. Oh no,
we're still we're still locking horns. And then it we'll
just sort of like leave it for a minute and
we'll go home. We'll go our separate ways, we'll get
a good night's sleep. I mean, y'all are in a marriage.
(25:23):
This is a marriage. But in a marriage, I was
about to say, I wish it ended up with the
person who is right, realizing that right, it doesn't really
work that way in a marriage. That's because men are
in James, you'll learn this, but like the women are right. No,
you just think that because we're time to fighting the battle.
(25:43):
So take it whatever I'm learning. There's some truth to that.
If we really had any issues, we'd go to our
producing team, or you know, we go to Alex with
another actress um and producer on the show, uh and
tossed by her, and we would get good insight there.
So we need a mediatory. So, speaking of that, James,
(26:06):
you and Alex are engaged, correct, Yes, congratulations, that's amazing.
And so how long. I don't know when you all
got engaged, but how long in that process with you
guys working together, Like did you guys get romantic or
get engaged and and kind of how is that working
together with someone you want to spend your life with. Um,
I mean, listen, it's it's great. It's like, UM, you know,
(26:28):
it's it's a kin to working with this It's just
I think it's it's a sort of what we do
here with this show. You know, It's like, Um, Steven
and I have known each other for a long time.
I've known Alex since twenty fifteen when I directed on
her show, and that's how we got to know each other. Um,
And so you know, she has been there since the beginnings.
It's the very first episode of this show. And UM,
(26:50):
you know, we had the pleasure of working with producers
that I've worked with on three films before this. They
were the ones who, really, you know, they had all
of this knowledge and how to get your turn of
your your little into project into a reality. And they,
you know, they were gracious enough to share that knowledge
with us and and take us to the promised Land.
So you know, what I have with Alex is just like,
you know, I think about it the same way that
(27:11):
you know I think about the rest of this sort
of like film family that we formed. It's just like
it's the best of both worlds when you find you
know people that you you know, you love personally that
you can then love working with as well. There's definitely
a balance. So I will say that because I know
working with with Mike is it can be hard because
you're just you're always together. So it's about finding that
(27:32):
personal time for yourself too that is so needed on
more his side. But um of of course, of course two,
I think in our experience it was like with Alex
it was like she we needed to give her those
the space that she needed as well, because we were
really like taking over this house with these computers and
like you know, we're editing, and we're editing. We we
(27:53):
didn't always we couldn't always wear headphones. We needed to
hear it from the speakers. So you know, she's trying
to like live her life while we're is playing the same,
like the same you know, piece of dialogue on a
loop like seventy five times. It's just and sometimes it
could be her, Yeah, sometimes it's her or sometimes it's
Stephen like, there's there's not not to give too much away,
but there's a there's a line that Stephen has in
(28:15):
the show and he goes, you're trying to get me arrested?
Are you trying to get me arrested? And She's like,
that line is in my head when I wake up
in the morning. It's in every time we hear the
word arrested on TV. She's like, trying to get me arrested.
For some reason, it's that line that she heard the most.
(28:35):
How did you propose tour? Uh? Just here was it? Yeah?
It was a quarantine proposal and we kept it super
simple and safe. And you know, this is our this
is uh yeah, this is our favorite place to be.
And so yeah, I love that, Stephen. You know I
have to ask you, is there going to be a
Laguna beach reunion with you and Kristen? A love reunion?
(28:59):
We were we had our union, We had dinner together.
I know, we were like, all three of us should
get together. That was It was good too to see her,
and it's nice to have an friendship with her after
all these years. Sure we've got quite the history back there,
So it's always good to see her. I know, I
love both of you. So it was it was cute,
(29:20):
like I feel like because you guys were so young then,
you know, but I was just like half the internet
just lit up. I was like, well, this is this
is going to go crazy because you know what it
was like. It was nice to see that it was
a pose reaction. I will say that because after the
extreme discomfort of my phone blowing up and having to
turn and um, you know just just yeah, having that
(29:43):
kind of blow up much more than you ever would expect. Um,
it's nice that, you know. For me, it's I don't
really think too much about um Laguna and the show,
and for people to have like a positive reaction into
I think look back on the show fondly and kind
of have memories of watching at and kind of rooting
for these people on the show in a way, um
brings them some sort of joy. That's cool. So yeah,
(30:06):
that UM speaking of that. So right before we did this,
we jumped on here with you guys on Jane's Instagram.
We asked her followers to send some questions and it's
lightening a lightening around. Yeah, it was a million questions,
which I love it because of them aren't even questions
or statements like James, marry me, Stephen, marry me, one
of you marry me. I don't care who like. It's
(30:28):
just it's unbelievable. It's so funny. They're just saying. One
of them said, James was her hall pass? Oh yes, me, yeah,
just noises. Um, you know. So, I'm sure you guys
have heard a million of these before. I'm trying to
(30:50):
get some different ones. But one thing is, you know
a lot of people like to ask with a show
like that, you know, what's if you can narrow it
down to one thing, what's the one thing you're looking
back like you miss about it the most. Stephen, I'll
start with you with um with one try Hill sorry,
with one show. Um, I missed Wilmington, North Carolina. It
(31:11):
was a beautiful place. It was nice to, uh, to
spend time on the East Coast after you know, I
grew up on the West Coast, so um, you know,
I spent a good chunk of my twenties on the
East Coast and it was just a different culture. It
felt like a little bit of a different country. So um,
you know, it was it was nice to get that
perspective and thankfully we actually went back to Wilmington's to
um to shoot a little bit for our show. So
(31:33):
there's some some pieces in a couple episodes, UM where
one of the characters goes out to North Carolina and
we shot in Wilmington's. So it was nice to to
get it in our show as well. I love it.
I love it, James. Um, Yeah, I think the I
think Wilmington's for sure, Like Steven said, UH, just fell
in love with that place, still love. It's kind a
special place in my heart. But also the people, uh,
(31:54):
the people, the cast, that crew, Um, there were so
many folks on both sides of the camera that we're
there from from day one, m from you know, shooting
the pilot and then you know, to get to know
people like that for nine years is um. I just
you know, the older I get, the more I realized
how increasingly rare that is, and it's just reat to
be able to spend that much time working on something
(32:16):
with people. UM. So it's really special, Like I'm just
I look back on that fondly because I realized how
how rare it is to have that experience to get
to know people for so long and to uh Yeah,
to just in with them and and do the work
and sort of have another little family, you know. Guilty pleasure, chocolate,
(32:36):
a lot of it. A chocolate that's like wine and chocolate.
Probably yes, nice. Uh quarantine, I mean my my, Yeah,
the amount of money I've spent on wine in the
last year. Um, so just make a wine and have
it be researched, because that's what I what I just said.
(32:57):
I'm like, okay, because I have a wine, so I'm like,
it's all research. I drink wine, a wine. Yeah it
comes out. Yeah, I came out. Well, I'll send you
one you okay. Jana was like, you know, I drink
of wine. Mys make my own get high on my
own supply. Alright, brilliant. I'm questioning our friendship right now,
(33:19):
the fact that you would after the wine that we
enjoyed when Wilmington's and we had went through there too,
then you wouldn't even I'm going to send to both
of you in congratulations of your Everyone is doing great,
hey you, um alright, so everyone, um watch Everyone is
(33:40):
Doing Great now available on Hulu. UM. It's such a
great show. I love you guys both, and thank you
for just being so authentic and being awesome. Guys. We
we appreciate you, and I just, um, I'm wanting to
maybe audition for episode I mean for season two. You
know there's a season to like hook Ull Girl Up
Alex j Is Reunion. I don't know. I don't think
(34:03):
you're gonna have to audition for that. Okay, cool, all right, Well,
thank you guys so much. Appreciate you winding down with us.
Thank you, first of all, love Stephen and James. Like
(34:24):
I said at the beginning of it, they're just great dudes.
They're so genuine how you guys hear them are exactly how.
They are, very genuine, very nice, and I just I
enjoyed talking to to anybody from the whole crew. Like
you said, they're great and their shows. Everyone is doing great.
Get it. It's on Hulu. It's really good. Watch it. Um.
On a side note though, in one of the scenes,
(34:46):
because you haven't watched it yet, but I was rinning
on a treadmill and I was watching one of the
first like two scenes or episodes, and I jumped on
the guys. I saw that Stephen and James were going live,
so I just like jumped on the live and in
one of the scenes, Stephen has to the pillow, like
(35:07):
the casting director and the director are like make love
to the pillow, and he's literally humping a pillow like
in one of the scenes. And so I went on
Stephen and James's live. I was like, whose decision was it?
To the pillow? That's so good? But apparently it was
like something that Stephen was asked to do in an audition.
(35:33):
Really yeah, I mean not to that extent, but like'
not how uncomfortable? Yeah, I mean, I like when I
was watching it, I was so uncomfortable. I'd be like,
I don't care if it's Michael Bay, I'm not king
a pillow. That's so uncomfortable, I know. And he's like
caressing like the head of the pillow, Like I couldn't.
I I don't care. I just I don't think I
(35:56):
could do it. No. Yeah, that's and like what you know,
as a casting director or whoever is in that room,
what are they looking at when they're watching this person,
Like you know his hips are pretty good or okay,
it's like at his facial expressions or like what are
they looking at? Like what are they looking for? I
(36:16):
think it's a power trip. If it's of anything, that's
what I make. I'm gonna make you capello. Yeah, I
don't know. I just sit around telling their other casting
director buddies, I made this dumbass propello that's actually kind
of funny. We got an email. Yes, um, this one's
from Tabitha. So my husband I just found out we're expecting. Congrats,
(36:38):
I'm only four weeks along. Two days after we found
out I was pregnant, my husband took the whole day
off um work for a one hour appointment. In my mind,
he could have preserved those seven hours for O. B
g U I N appointments or time after the baby comes.
I tried to explain, it makes me nervous that he
won't have is much time off available when we have
(37:00):
appointments or when the baby comes. He got mad and said,
my time off is my time, and I'll use that
however I want. In his defense, his job is stressful
and he needs mental health days to stay sane. But
a whole day for a one hour appointment? Am I crazy? Uh?
I mean, I don't think she's crazy because it makes sense.
I think I think the problem is as women think
(37:22):
more logical than men. Men just think what they need
in general. I don't know. I mean maybe i'm but
I think women are like, okay, like you have because
may days off, Like you should probably take you know,
one day off while before I go, and like we're
thinking like weeks and months ahead of guys. Like we're thinking, like, okay,
(37:44):
so you're gonna have to take a day off like
when I go into labor, and like what if I
have like you know, bad days and there's like two
days and then like you know, a few days after
the baby comes, and like so like we're thinking does
paternity believe If he doesn't, then he's wasting his days, right,
And so I'd get that you would be upset. And
I'm happy that you said something to him. I'm sad
that he responded with such a defensive statement. Yeah. So
(38:11):
first of all, they don't say it, but I can
tell this is their first kid um, and I think
that's that's the thing he's not used to really, you know,
realizing that as time is not all his anymore, it's
about to not be all his, you know, when it's
just you and your partner. Yeah, you sacrifice some of
(38:33):
your time because you're spending it together, but we all
we enjoy that, so it's not really sacrificing your time.
But when you have a kid, right your time, that
is your priority with your time. So he's he doesn't
understand that concept yet, right, So to your point, she's
thinking ahead when the baby's here, that you know, when
(38:54):
she needs help, when she's got things going on. He's
not thinking of it as like it's my responsive old yet,
so he so. And also in his defense, I don't
know how Tabitha brought it up, not saying that she
came at him hard about it. If she asked him
from a good place and he acted that defensive, that sucks.
But you know, I'm going to say that my girl,
(39:16):
Tabitha came from a really good place and didn't get
mad at him and was just like, hey, you know what,
I'm feeling frustrated because you know, when I see that
you took this whole day off, I make up that
you don't care about me and you don't care about
you know, the days that will be needed for the baby.
That's how I know Tabitha said it. I know she.
(39:39):
I know she said it that way and so well,
and I appreciate Tabitha at least acknowledging his need for
some some time mental health day. So it's just, you know, Tabitha,
You're not crazy. You know. He needs to understand that
(40:00):
his time is in his time here pretty soon, Okay,
like the baby is a priority. So he'll hopefully he'll
come around to that and realize that. So just keep
having a conversation from a good place and you know,
work it out. Here's another one for you. I've been
married to my husband for five years now, and we
have two beautiful children, ages four and one. Recently, with
balancing our full time jobs, daily chores, and two very
(40:22):
needy and demanding little children, at the end of the day,
i just want to crawl into bed, but I'm also
longing to connect with my husband, let alone, go out
on a date. It's hard to find time alone time
together amongst the chaos of raising a family. I'm horrible
at staying up late to watch a movie. I feel
like our alone time needs to be specifically planned out
time activity, because we sometimes spend thirty minutes talking about
(40:45):
what we should do together. What advice would you give
to those couples just trying to ride out the wave?
Good question, Kara, Um, Michael and I have a marriage calendar. Um,
and we basically I mean it can change, but you
know it's like Mondays we read a book together. Um,
Tuesday's we have our own time or or something. Usually
(41:07):
actually Monday's we've because you have therapy. So usually it's
been like your own time, but like it it changes,
but we have like Wednesday's will do game night. Yeah,
we try to have four nights a week that are
typically planned on we're spending it together and what we're doing.
So we have yet Jana said, typically Monday nights we
read a chapter of this book that we're reading, and
(41:28):
then we like maybe watch a show or hang out
or play a game whatever else we want, but we
do that first. This is all after the kids go down,
you know. Tuesday is we play a game after the
kids go down, and then maybe we'll watch the show
or hang out. Wednesday's intentional time, so no phones, no TV,
no you know, distraction. We just sit on the couch
and a glass of wine and just talk, um, find
(41:49):
out what's new in each other's worlds. And then we
try to do a date night, you know, one of
the other night. So we know that's not easy for everybody. Um,
you know, it's easier said than done, but it's just
knowing what you're gonna do. Like you're saying, you know
Kara or is it Sarah? You think she suppose a't
(42:09):
c A R A age. I mean I thought it
was Sarah, but I'm thinking it's Kara because Car, I
really thought that would planned that one out well to
cover our bases. Kara, Kara, Sarah whereich every one of
those were just want to respect you in your name? Um,
but yeah, so I would say try to schedule something
(42:29):
like that and just be flexible with each other. It's like, hey,
I had a long day, I'm exhausted. Can we just
get into bed and watch something? Sure, but then knowing
that there are gonna be days where one or both
of you're tired, but you committed to doing something different
with each other, and if it's just like start with
just one day, start with just like, Hey, on Wednesdays,
(42:50):
can we just have intentional time or we just or
on Thursdays, can we, um, you know, on Monday, let's
pick up the movie we're gonna watch Thursday, so we
don't wait already minutes to figure it out. Like Michael's like, hey,
we're watching this movie on this day, you know, together. Um,
so yeah, just it's tough, but just try to ask
(43:12):
for what you need and um try to yeah, try
to plan it out a little bit might help. Um,
you guys are awesome. We'll see you in Canada.
Wind down and Michael and I'm radio podcast. All right,
So this is a really fun episode because well for
the tree Hillers, I mean for everybody, but for everybody.
But it's like, you know, so many of your fans
and following are tree Hillers, and they're loyal, so they're
always wanting to hear from former cast mates from the show.
(00:24):
And we have two awesome, awesome guys to Yeah, we're
going to have James Lafferty and Stephen COLLETTI um coming
on the show because they've got a new show on
Hulu right now. Um. Everyone's doing great. It's a really
really good show. So um, I'm excited to talk to
those dudes. But how are you feeling. We're about to
go to Canada this week? We are, I'm I'm excited.
(00:46):
I'm excited for the change. I'm excited for as we're
just as sounds. It's kind of a sense of normalcy,
right because we're used to traveling, were used to like
going places and doing things. So and Jason has become
such I mean the kids O. But Jason really is
a homebody because he's not used to traveling. Yeah, we
go anywhere in two seconds out He's like home home. Yeah,
(01:07):
thirty minutes stops and he's like home. So it'll be
good for him to change things out because once, you know,
traveling is a little bit more back to normal and
we're traveling more. We always try to take the kids
when we can if we're gone for a decent period
of time, so we want them to get used to that,
like Jolia is, Yeah, and I think I don't know, Yes,
(01:27):
I just wish that there wasn't the quarantine period because
it just adds because we have to quarantine for two weeks. Yeah,
and it's not I mean, honestly, that's not the part
that's giving me anxiety because I mean we pretty much
a quarantine here anyways. I mean we don't go anywhere
minus like the grocery store here there, or like Jolie's,
(01:48):
you know. I mean we go a few places, but
it's not maybe out to dinner once every two weeks.
But I don't know, it's not like it's going to
totally change. But I think just having to be being
told that you can't do something is what gives me anxiety.
So it's like you have to stay in this house
for two weeks and you can't leave, like automatically, I'm
like boom anxiety because I'm like, well, what if this happens,
(02:10):
what if like we don't even have a car, Like
what if something happens with the kids, like hello, emergencies
in the middle of the night, you know. So I'm
just starting to like freak out about that. So I
just actually emailed production because I was like, as if
there is something that happens in the the middle of the night,
like I'm not gonna be able to sleep knowing just
in case something happened. No, for sure, I think they
(02:31):
need to understand that with two kids, like I don't
care if they have a doctor on call, Like if
we have to go, we have to go, so just
to be able to have a car, they're accessible, and
you know, we're adults, we're professionals. We're not going to
go anywhere if they say don't go anywhere. Yeah you
know what I mean, Like we're not going to jeopardize
the production or the movie that you're doing to be selfish. Yeah,
(02:53):
you know what I mean. It's just I don't know,
I don't know why. I just have I have so
much anxiety around it, and you know, kind of like
we said, it's not our space. And but at least
it's better than it's better than what some I know
some people are they have to quarantine in their hotel
room and for two weeks. I'm like that, I for
sure like I would. I wouldn't do it. I couldn't
(03:15):
do it. I would lose my mind. I mean, it's
like being in a jail. I mean even mattress right,
even me, who you know, loves to contain his excitement,
and he's dropping her off, like singing, pull him out
her luggage and everything. He's like, all right, have the
most wonderful time. And she's like, no, put my bags
(03:37):
back in the car. I'm not going anywhere. You're too
him happy, Let's go home. And then on the way
home he's just miserable. And then you talked about at
lunch with his buddies, like the next day they're like,
you're too happy. You gotta contain it. Everyone knows you
gotta contain. It's like I'm gonna miss you, when really
you're like high fiving yourself inside. It was pretty funny.
That is funny. Huh yeah. But we're gonna be together.
(03:58):
It's gonna be great. No, the that we're gonna be together.
I mean because there had been I couldn't leave without
my kiddos and family. So I'm super excited. Um, so yeah,
we're heading off to Canada this week. Guys, you were
from here on out, the episodes are going to be
recorded in Canaday. They're all going to be in French.
(04:20):
That would be awesome. Do the speak French and Vancouver
that I thought that was more Quebec where we went
last time. Um, yeah, it's more of the eastern Canada.
But but still that was you know, a lot of
that was French territory in general, so I still think
there's more French. I guess there's more French than there's
like Spanish. Sure, Um hey, guys, did anyone get my
(04:45):
one brick Wines? If you didn't get him, now, well
don't you update this? How's that going? It's going really good? Yeah? Yeah,
we have a red blend, very inexpensive, low sugar, low
and sulf fates. I'm excited. Good. The sales are good.
Sales are doing good because I've been, I've been. People
are liking it. So that's what's exciting about it. That
is that is awesome because it's fantast it's so good.
(05:07):
It's fantastic. Well, we have like the best wine maker
too from Napa that did the you know, helped create
the wine with me. So I've been and the fact
that it's a little sugar makes me super happy. But
I'm excited for you that it's doing well because this
was like your baby. This was out of all the
things that you're doing. I know you really want this too,
(05:28):
you know, take off and be sustainable because it's something
that you're so passionate about. I do like my wine.
So um, and Michael is working on his hat business. Y'all,
it's gonna be good. It's going to be excited. We're
gonna you know. It's just we love you guys, that's all.
So we just thank you for your support. So before
(05:49):
we get um, James and Stephen on, you know, is
it is it feel like kind of like when you're
on a show like that, does it almost feel like
a high school reunion? Not that based regardless of that
was based in high school, but you know, it feels
like you're seeing these friends from a long time ago.
It just has that sense of like a high school
reunion for sure. I mean, I was definitely closest to
(06:13):
Stephen obviously, because I spent I did all my scenes
with Stephen. Um, I had very few scenes with James.
So and like when I was in the show, it was,
you know there there was just some not cattiness, but
just like you can't talk to this person if you're
friends with this person, and so it just became like
a So I wasn't very close to James because of
(06:38):
certain situations on the set at the time, But now,
I mean everyone's really close, and it's kind of frustrating
because I'm like, why couldn't we have all been friends then?
And you made like the Nevies life a little bit
of hell. But it's cool al right, because you couldn't
make up your mind for yourself because you as soon
as you got in there, whoever you stuck with, you
have to stick with. But now it's like annoying because
they're like, we're all friends now out and I'm just
(07:00):
like you one person literally made it hell for us
because if we chose the wrong friend, we would be destroyed.
So you know, now it's like, you know, well, now
everyone's adults, but that's very true. Yeah, so um, which
makes you just laugh at those things when you think
(07:22):
about your anyone's past in general, right, the cattiness or
the clickiness of things in high school in that age
and young twenties, you're like why, You're like, why can't
I have the knowledge I have the day and be like, um,
You're an idiot for thinking that, And I'm going to
talk to however, I want to know it's so true
because but I mean, like going on, I mean, we
me Chantala and Rob came on season seven, so it's
like they've already had six years to form these catrets
(07:45):
and connections and you know, all these things. So it's
like we're just coming in like dipping our toes in,
like I don't want to make a mistake, you know,
but get that now though, it's nice, like you know,
now that I've been able to spend more time with
James on conventions and you know, just being able to
you know, hang out, and it's you know, they're awesome.
(08:07):
But yeah, Stephen and I are like we're like, kin,
you know, I think what's cool too, And I mean
just from their one convention I went with you two
last year and then also meeting Chantelle and meeting these
guys and a bunch of people in the cast. Um,
everyone was just so nice, Like everyone was really approachable, friendly. Um,
(08:33):
you know, you know, reciprocated in the conversation and questions
and everything. It wasn't just one sided and anything when
I was meeting any of these people. So that, you know,
that just goes to show the kind of some of
the character the people that I've met that you were
able to work with. Yeah. So, and James and Stephen
are definitely two of those guys, you know, So let's
(08:54):
take a break and get them on all right, Tree Hillers.
We've waited long enough. UM. So excited because James Lafferty
and Stephen COLLETTI are going to be on the show today.
(09:16):
So I remember they were working on Everyone is doing great. Yeah,
And last time we talked to both of them was
almost a year ago, was last February one Tree Hill conventiontion. Yeah.
So I'm just so proud of them because that Everyone's
doing great. Um got picked up by Hulu, and you know,
I have a little piece of that world with like
(09:38):
pitching show. I mean, me and Brian who was on
the show about um the first of the year, about
Love Addict. So we we had a show we were
working on. It is hard to pitch a show. I
mean we went to HBO, we went to Hulu, we
went to Amazon, like you know, you you go in
there and it's just like then they'll give you notes
with then this other network on something else. So I mean,
it is so incredibly hard. I think I was something
(10:00):
about The Queen's Gambit that was passed on like for
ten years or something crazy like that, So I mean
it's and then there was another show too, and I
know that's not the right amount time, but it was
something where it's so crazy. Um, even the Stranger Things
that was passed on a million times. So to be
able to have a show picked up on a network
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nowadays is so hard. And I'm so proud of them
because these dudes are They're great guys. I mean I
was obviously closer with Stephen filming because he was my
scene partner. I didn't do much with James, UM, but
I love both of them. I'm so proud of them. Um,
and James just got engaged, which is awesome to a beautiful,
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girlish actress. And then Stephen, I believe he's still kicking
it man, just in the single life but we have
some questions that came in from our Instagram to ask them. So,
did you see any on Yeah, there's definitely some on
here that are that are sticking out to me. So
as we're talking to him, I'll pepper these in there.
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Anything about Kristen, Yeah, there's one about you know, Stephen
being pictured with Kristin at dinner recently or whatever. And
you know, I think he already addressed that and said
they're just good friends. Um, But now there's there's a
bunch on here, and it's so funny. I mean, people
love the Tree Hillers man. Oh yeah, I mean, and
I think too James had I don't want to make
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this up, but I'm pretty sure James had a tough
time coming off of One Tree Hill because he was
so typecasted. Because I can imagine you being on a
show like that that long and being super typecasted. Yeah,
And I've always been someone on the outside of the industry.
I've always wondered that it's like some of these shows
that do so well, especially if it's like your your
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big break, you know, later down the road, does that
plague you, you know, does that hurt you in a sense?
You know, I mean it's kind of like, you know,
our buddy Bob. Second, it's like you kind of just
have to embrace it after a while. It's like, okay,
I'm Danny Tanner. And but then again, you know, and
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I know Uncle Jesse wanted to do the farthest thing
from Uncle Jesse. But then they obviously they did a rething,
you know, um, a reunion, and they filmed again because
Fuller House, because people love it, like people love to
see that character. So it's kind of like, all right,
you just have to embrace it a little bit. But Okay,
I'm so excited because when I saw I think it
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was I was stalking your page, James. Sorry Stephen, but um,
James posts a little bit more. But um, I saw that,
you know, everyone is doing great was picked up on
Hulu and I I literally out loud. I was like,
oh my god, yes, Like I was so excited for
you guys because I know it's been a work in
progress and it's been I mean, how many years has
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it been now even working on it? Four four? I think, yeah, yeah,
I think it's it's coming up on four like the
next month. I think since we shot, so I think
we shot the pilot in April of two thousand seventeen,
and then we got together because you guys were doing
more of you were raising more money for it, right
to shoot the some some episodes of it. Is that
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that was did We did the crowdfunding for additional episodes,
and you were kind enough to come in and do
one of our live watches, which those were very popular
for us. That was that was that was huge, um,
instrumental part of our campaign and it was nice to
get that, you know, the One Trail community on board
and have you guys come out and help us out
and do those live watches like it was fun. I mean,
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we don't get to see each other too often, so
it was nice to have an excuse to get together. Yeah,
and it was definitely fun. I'm curious though, because in
those four years, was there ever kind of like that
should we just stop like is this you know, we're
pitching it, we're trying to do this, we're not getting
or was it like, hey, no, we've got traction and
this is all good. Or did you ever have that
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moment where you're like, I like, this isn't going to happen. Yeah? Yeah,
I think that was the that was the hardest part
of it all. The work um was amazing, and just
getting to do what we love to do was was
incredible every step of the way. Um, there were growing
pains for sure, and UM there were a lot of
challenges and things we had to learn a long way,
but it always felt it always felt good because we
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were learning and because we we did feel like we
were towards something. But I do think the uncertainty of
it all was the hardest part, um of just really
not knowing, um where this was headed. We we never knew.
We always wanted it to be on Hulu, but we
never knew that we were going to get there. We
always felt like we were a long shot at best.
Um And in fact, you know, we were totally prepared
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to just self distribute and see how that went, which
is a much tougher road. UM. So so yeah, I
mean I think that there were never moments where we
just wanted to throw our hands up and give up.
But there were definitely moments where I won't speak for Stephen,
but at least for myself, it was like, Okay, what
do we really doing here? Like how was this going
to end? Because it just sort of felt like it
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was going on and on with no real life at
the end of the tunnel, Stephen, what about for you? Yeah,
I mean, um, for me, we always had that plan
of self distribution. That was the like, all right, the
last plan. Um, if we feel like we've we've you know,
exhausted all options and we feel like we've gotten our
fair shot, Um, then what you know, we'll self distribute,
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which which is you know, which is fine? And again
it's it's still the accomplishment was really for us to
get the money to shoot the thing. I mean, and
and there was points in that campaign where we're doing
the indieog campaign where I was like, oh, man, like
this is we knew it was gonna be a big task,
but this is a lot bigger than than we expected.
And it was really really hard. Um, but you know,
we're we're grateful for the people that jump board to
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help us out and you know kind of propel us.
But you know, you're you're asking money for forty five days,
so you know, um, you know, we can't do live
watches for forty five days straight, although that would have
been fun. We've got have hung out a couple more times,
but um, you know, there are those days is where
you're supposed to be kind of getting content there and
driving it every day, and you're like, ah, already i
am not on social media that much, and now I'm
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on here every single day I ask people for money.
She got a little overwhelmed. But again, at the end,
goal there, for for the for the show, um was
what continue to drive us. And then there were these
moments along the way that like we're so unexpected, and
whether it's like Janet you coming in and doing the
live watch and that being very lucrative for us, or
being at some TV festival and James and I literally
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sitting in a lounge at one point frustrated because we
can't get this video on YouTube and just a couple
of knuckleheads trying to you know, trying to work the internet,
and a woman had come up to us and had
just seen the screening and she just started talking to
us casually. Thankfully we were nice to her, because then
ten minutes later she's like, well, she's like, let me
see your campaign, and she wind up donating over twenty
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dollars in that mone and so it's just, you know,
it's one of those things where, uh, lesson I learned
there is like you know, the perseverance, Like even when
you feel down, you know you've got to continue to strive, strive,
and if you need to seek help, see get you know,
get get your friends. You know, to be honest with
with yourself and your friends about you know, where you
might be or what you might need. And as long
as you're kind of putting yourself out there and you're
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working hard, you know, things will happen, maybe not like
you expected, but still amazing things will happen. With the
timeline being, you know, the past four years working on
this project, how much, if at all, has the concept
around it changed, Like from day one of you guys
you know, having this idea and being to what it
is now. M hmm. I think the concept has stayed
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pretty um, pretty consistent. I mean, we we always knew
what kind of show we wanted it to be. We
always knew we wanted it to feel dry. Um, you know,
in terms of its humor, we we knew that the
humor was going to come from like those little moments
when people don't know what to say to each other
instead of delivering punchlines. Um, we knew that we wanted
it to feel raw and awkward. UM and uh and
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and sort of make you squirm a little bit. You know.
That's the kind of humor that we're really drawn to.
That's the kind of Those are the kind of shows
that really inspired us to make this show. UM. But
I will say that like one thing that really I
guess pleasantly surprised us and and opened up the whole
process for us was when we actually got to set
and shooting that first the first season was UM. You
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know that the actors that came in and really elevated
the material. UM. It took you know, We've given a
lot of freedom to just do what they wanted with
their characters, bring as much as of themselves to the
character as they wanted to UM, because we felt like
that would just make it feel that much more authentic
and real and uh. And then every single actor that
came in, whether it was like for um, you know,
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a tiny little scene or a reoccurring um, a reoccurring
role or you know our other leads, like they just
took what they had and what was on the page
and they elevated to this other level that we just
didn't even expect and was always so funny and so real,
and it just gave it breathed this knife into the
show that we were really grateful for because you know,
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we knew that a show just about you know, Seth
and Jeremy and Andrea. Like any show that is only,
uh based on a few characters or where there's a
few characters that feel real, it's going to have a
limit to how many people it can reach, Right, It's
gonna have the limit to how many people actually it
actually resonates with. And so to be able to get
in the editing room and just feel like we actually
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know these characters that we're cutting together and like these
these scenes that are coming to life in a way
that we didn't anticipate, was like that was incredible and
that was that was kind of unexpected. So, I know,
what everyone is doing great is um But for the listeners,
UM give us like the elevator pitch, like what is
it about and what can they expect? Yes, So there's
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these three people, James and I character and Alex Park's
character Andrea Davis, who were on this you know, huge
vampire drama. It was number one in the Zeke think
um uh you know Vampire Diaries or um what what
were the movies, Um, Twilight, Ye, sorry Twilight, I forgot. Um,
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you know just where everyone is obsessed and these faces
are everywhere and people know who they are. Um, and
so you know that's where they were on a show
like that, and it's five years later, Um, and you're
just seeing them at home kind of struggling to put
life together. You meet life head on as they are,
you know, entering their thirties and and um middle age,
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and um, things are not you know, not as as
smooth as they might have expected. And obviously coming from
having it easy and feeling the world is that their
fingertips earlier on in their life. Um, now they're they're um,
you know, they're struggling. The wheels are just kind of spinning.
So um, you know these characters what they're they're kind
of having to lean on each other. Um, when when
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they all don't really have bus any leaning on each
other because of all that they're going through. Were you
guys able to draw from any personal stories or situations
from yourself for people that you knew to kind of
bring into this material. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of what
inspired us in the first place. Was is um, you know,
getting into our thirties and and just sort of realizing
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that that that I guess that sort of I don't know,
that could of invincibility that you feel in your twenties,
you know, it starts to kind of wear off and
you realize that it was all it was never actually there, right, like,
you don't know. The more you learn, the more you
realize you don't know, and the more scary of the
world gets. And that's something that we were sort of
experiencing as we ended our thirties, and we were experiencing
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it against the backdrop of you know, this industry that
is so incredibly uncertain and it's so absurd. Everywhere you look,
there's just crazy things going on and hilarious things going on,
and um, and we just thought that there was a
lot of comedy in that struggle. So, um, you know,
knowing that and sort of having those building blocks, we
just wanted to create characters for you know, for ourselves
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and for this world that we could really map onto
those situations and have them deal with them in um,
really funny ways. You know. We just at the end
of the day, we just really wanted to make people laugh. Um,
you know, the struggle that they may be going through.
I feel like it's a way to get through things,
just to try to laugh it off and um, and
so yeah, it was really about just like, you know,
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characters that were close enough to ourselves that we felt
we could really portray them and and have it feel
real and authentic, but at the same time, you know,
heighten certain aspects of our own personality, like take it
further to one end of the character spectrum, so that, um,
you know, when they do get in these situations, there's
more sort of explosive things happening. Um. I love that
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because I feel like in your thirties is when you're
just like a total wake up call, you know what
I mean. It's like what James said, I'd like we
said the cloak of invincibility, because I think that that
he just probably summed up my twenties perfectly. Right now,
it's like I run around, whether it's it's burning them
in oil or just you know, kind of not thinking
too far ahead. It's everything's kind of a little more
present and and and just the the long term consequences
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of things, like it's just not there, you know. And
it's a beautiful thing. And I think we love to
have that, but you know it's it's the push and
pull about getting into your thirties. It's like you take
the experiences that you have had, and we talked about
this in the show, and you should be applying that
and hopefully be in a better headspace, right Like, Oh,
I just survived my twenties basically, and now I'm ready
to grow up and be an adult. But it's just
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not that smooth of a transition now. I feel like
when you get your thirties, you're like, I have issues
and I gotta work three because it's mental and physical too.
Like I used to I could play sports all the time,
but now, like getting out of bed, you're like, oh man,
I'm like I played in a softball game yesterday, and
what's wrong with you? Um? I want to know some
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t though. Did you guys ever argue or fight during
this process, like get annoyed with each other? Did we
did we go to did we go to blows? Never
any fisticuffs? When we got physical it got mentally physical. Yeah,
we spent James and I had spent We spent basically
all two thousand nineteen in an editing room together. And
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I don't care who you know who you love the
most planet. But spending the whole year in the room together,
that's marriage and quarantine. It's like when stop breathing last year,
I know, I know, UM, so you know it's thankfully
those are those are important moments for us because I
usually when we're you know, having mental digits over something,
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it's something that you know is gonna be better off
for it in the end. And you know, I think
it'd be a real problem we were just constantly agreeing
with each other and everything was hunky dorry because I
wouldn't really be honest, you know, um. And what's a
partnership about trust and honesty? So you know, you know,
nothing crazy thankfully um. And and you know, but we
know of course, where we are having a heated discussion
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over particular scene or something, um, you know, we were
better off for it. And yet who wins who who?
Who usually wins? And who's usually right? It's usually it's
probably a coin toss, but it's usually I think that
it's usually whoever was right because usually usually what do
is well, you know, we'll have this like needed discussion.
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We'll you know, we'll lock horns over something and we'll
sort of put it aside for a second until the
end of the day, you know, just to get the
work done, just to continue forward. And then towards the
end of the day we'll talk about it again. Oh no,
we're still we're still locking horns. And then it we'll
just sort of like leave it for a minute and
we'll go home. We'll go our separate ways, we'll get
a good night's sleep. I mean, y'all are in a marriage.
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This is a marriage. But in a marriage, I was
about to say, I wish it ended up with the
person who is right, realizing that right, it doesn't really
work that way in a marriage. That's because men are
in James, you'll learn this, but like the women are right. No,
you just think that because we're time to fighting the battle.
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So take it whatever I'm learning. There's some truth to that.
If we really had any issues, we'd go to our
producing team, or you know, we go to Alex with
another actress um and producer on the show, uh and
tossed by her, and we would get good insight there.
So we need a mediatory. So, speaking of that, James,
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you and Alex are engaged, correct, Yes, congratulations, that's amazing.
And so how long. I don't know when you all
got engaged, but how long in that process with you
guys working together, Like did you guys get romantic or
get engaged and and kind of how is that working
together with someone you want to spend your life with. Um,
I mean, listen, it's it's great. It's like, UM, you know,
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it's it's a kin to working with this It's just
I think it's it's a sort of what we do
here with this show. You know, It's like, Um, Steven
and I have known each other for a long time.
I've known Alex since twenty fifteen when I directed on
her show, and that's how we got to know each other. Um,
And so you know, she has been there since the beginnings.
It's the very first episode of this show. And UM,
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you know, we had the pleasure of working with producers
that I've worked with on three films before this. They
were the ones who, really, you know, they had all
of this knowledge and how to get your turn of
your your little into project into a reality. And they,
you know, they were gracious enough to share that knowledge
with us and and take us to the promised Land.
So you know, what I have with Alex is just like,
you know, I think about it the same way that
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you know I think about the rest of this sort
of like film family that we formed. It's just like
it's the best of both worlds when you find you
know people that you you know, you love personally that
you can then love working with as well. There's definitely
a balance. So I will say that because I know
working with with Mike is it can be hard because
you're just you're always together. So it's about finding that
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personal time for yourself too that is so needed on
more his side. But um of of course, of course two,
I think in our experience it was like with Alex
it was like she we needed to give her those
the space that she needed as well, because we were
really like taking over this house with these computers and
like you know, we're editing, and we're editing. We we
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didn't always we couldn't always wear headphones. We needed to
hear it from the speakers. So you know, she's trying
to like live her life while we're is playing the same,
like the same you know, piece of dialogue on a
loop like seventy five times. It's just and sometimes it
could be her, Yeah, sometimes it's her or sometimes it's
Stephen like, there's there's not not to give too much away,
but there's a there's a line that Stephen has in
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the show and he goes, you're trying to get me arrested?
Are you trying to get me arrested? And She's like,
that line is in my head when I wake up
in the morning. It's in every time we hear the
word arrested on TV. She's like, trying to get me arrested.
For some reason, it's that line that she heard the most.
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How did you propose tour? Uh? Just here was it? Yeah?
It was a quarantine proposal and we kept it super
simple and safe. And you know, this is our this
is uh yeah, this is our favorite place to be.
And so yeah, I love that, Stephen. You know I
have to ask you, is there going to be a
Laguna beach reunion with you and Kristen? A love reunion?
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We were we had our union, We had dinner together.
I know, we were like, all three of us should
get together. That was It was good too to see her,
and it's nice to have an friendship with her after
all these years. Sure we've got quite the history back there,
So it's always good to see her. I know, I
love both of you. So it was it was cute,
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like I feel like because you guys were so young then,
you know, but I was just like half the internet
just lit up. I was like, well, this is this
is going to go crazy because you know what it
was like. It was nice to see that it was
a pose reaction. I will say that because after the
extreme discomfort of my phone blowing up and having to
turn and um, you know just just yeah, having that
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kind of blow up much more than you ever would expect. Um,
it's nice that, you know. For me, it's I don't
really think too much about um Laguna and the show,
and for people to have like a positive reaction into
I think look back on the show fondly and kind
of have memories of watching at and kind of rooting
for these people on the show in a way, um
brings them some sort of joy. That's cool. So yeah,
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that UM speaking of that. So right before we did this,
we jumped on here with you guys on Jane's Instagram.
We asked her followers to send some questions and it's
lightening a lightening around. Yeah, it was a million questions,
which I love it because of them aren't even questions
or statements like James, marry me, Stephen, marry me, one
of you marry me. I don't care who like. It's
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just it's unbelievable. It's so funny. They're just saying. One
of them said, James was her hall pass? Oh yes, me, yeah,
just noises. Um, you know. So, I'm sure you guys
have heard a million of these before. I'm trying to
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get some different ones. But one thing is, you know
a lot of people like to ask with a show
like that, you know, what's if you can narrow it
down to one thing, what's the one thing you're looking
back like you miss about it the most. Stephen, I'll
start with you with um with one try Hill sorry,
with one show. Um, I missed Wilmington, North Carolina. It
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was a beautiful place. It was nice to, uh, to
spend time on the East Coast after you know, I
grew up on the West Coast, so um, you know,
I spent a good chunk of my twenties on the
East Coast and it was just a different culture. It
felt like a little bit of a different country. So um,
you know, it was it was nice to get that
perspective and thankfully we actually went back to Wilmington's to
um to shoot a little bit for our show. So
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there's some some pieces in a couple episodes, UM where
one of the characters goes out to North Carolina and
we shot in Wilmington's. So it was nice to to
get it in our show as well. I love it.
I love it, James. Um, Yeah, I think the I
think Wilmington's for sure, Like Steven said, UH, just fell
in love with that place, still love. It's kind a
special place in my heart. But also the people, uh,
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the people, the cast, that crew, Um, there were so
many folks on both sides of the camera that we're
there from from day one, m from you know, shooting
the pilot and then you know, to get to know
people like that for nine years is um. I just
you know, the older I get, the more I realized
how increasingly rare that is, and it's just reat to
be able to spend that much time working on something
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with people. UM. So it's really special, Like I'm just
I look back on that fondly because I realized how
how rare it is to have that experience to get
to know people for so long and to uh Yeah,
to just in with them and and do the work
and sort of have another little family, you know. Guilty pleasure, chocolate,
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a lot of it. A chocolate that's like wine and chocolate.
Probably yes, nice. Uh quarantine, I mean my my, Yeah,
the amount of money I've spent on wine in the
last year. Um, so just make a wine and have
it be researched, because that's what I what I just said.
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I'm like, okay, because I have a wine, so I'm like,
it's all research. I drink wine, a wine. Yeah it
comes out. Yeah, I came out. Well, I'll send you
one you okay. Jana was like, you know, I drink
of wine. Mys make my own get high on my
own supply. Alright, brilliant. I'm questioning our friendship right now,
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the fact that you would after the wine that we
enjoyed when Wilmington's and we had went through there too,
then you wouldn't even I'm going to send to both
of you in congratulations of your Everyone is doing great,
hey you, um alright, so everyone, um watch Everyone is
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Doing Great now available on Hulu. UM. It's such a
great show. I love you guys both, and thank you
for just being so authentic and being awesome. Guys. We
we appreciate you, and I just, um, I'm wanting to
maybe audition for episode I mean for season two. You
know there's a season to like hook Ull Girl Up
Alex j Is Reunion. I don't know. I don't think
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you're gonna have to audition for that. Okay, cool, all right, Well,
thank you guys so much. Appreciate you winding down with us.
Thank you, first of all, love Stephen and James. Like
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I said at the beginning of it, they're just great dudes.
They're so genuine how you guys hear them are exactly how.
They are, very genuine, very nice, and I just I
enjoyed talking to to anybody from the whole crew. Like
you said, they're great and their shows. Everyone is doing great.
Get it. It's on Hulu. It's really good. Watch it. Um.
On a side note though, in one of the scenes,
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because you haven't watched it yet, but I was rinning
on a treadmill and I was watching one of the
first like two scenes or episodes, and I jumped on
the guys. I saw that Stephen and James were going live,
so I just like jumped on the live and in
one of the scenes, Stephen has to the pillow, like
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the casting director and the director are like make love
to the pillow, and he's literally humping a pillow like
in one of the scenes. And so I went on
Stephen and James's live. I was like, whose decision was it?
To the pillow? That's so good? But apparently it was
like something that Stephen was asked to do in an audition.
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Really yeah, I mean not to that extent, but like'
not how uncomfortable? Yeah, I mean, I like when I
was watching it, I was so uncomfortable. I'd be like,
I don't care if it's Michael Bay, I'm not king
a pillow. That's so uncomfortable, I know. And he's like
caressing like the head of the pillow, Like I couldn't.
I I don't care. I just I don't think I
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could do it. No. Yeah, that's and like what you know,
as a casting director or whoever is in that room,
what are they looking at when they're watching this person,
Like you know his hips are pretty good or okay,
it's like at his facial expressions or like what are
they looking at? Like what are they looking for? I
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think it's a power trip. If it's of anything, that's
what I make. I'm gonna make you capello. Yeah, I
don't know. I just sit around telling their other casting
director buddies, I made this dumbass propello that's actually kind
of funny. We got an email. Yes, um, this one's
from Tabitha. So my husband I just found out we're expecting. Congrats,
(36:38):
I'm only four weeks along. Two days after we found
out I was pregnant, my husband took the whole day
off um work for a one hour appointment. In my mind,
he could have preserved those seven hours for O. B
g U I N appointments or time after the baby comes.
I tried to explain, it makes me nervous that he
won't have is much time off available when we have
(37:00):
appointments or when the baby comes. He got mad and said,
my time off is my time, and I'll use that
however I want. In his defense, his job is stressful
and he needs mental health days to stay sane. But
a whole day for a one hour appointment? Am I crazy? Uh?
I mean, I don't think she's crazy because it makes sense.
I think I think the problem is as women think
(37:22):
more logical than men. Men just think what they need
in general. I don't know. I mean maybe i'm but
I think women are like, okay, like you have because
may days off, Like you should probably take you know,
one day off while before I go, and like we're
thinking like weeks and months ahead of guys. Like we're thinking, like, okay,
(37:44):
so you're gonna have to take a day off like
when I go into labor, and like what if I
have like you know, bad days and there's like two
days and then like you know, a few days after
the baby comes, and like so like we're thinking does
paternity believe If he doesn't, then he's wasting his days, right,
And so I'd get that you would be upset. And
I'm happy that you said something to him. I'm sad
that he responded with such a defensive statement. Yeah. So
(38:11):
first of all, they don't say it, but I can
tell this is their first kid um, and I think
that's that's the thing he's not used to really, you know,
realizing that as time is not all his anymore, it's
about to not be all his, you know, when it's
just you and your partner. Yeah, you sacrifice some of
(38:33):
your time because you're spending it together, but we all
we enjoy that, so it's not really sacrificing your time.
But when you have a kid, right your time, that
is your priority with your time. So he's he doesn't
understand that concept yet, right, So to your point, she's
thinking ahead when the baby's here, that you know, when
(38:54):
she needs help, when she's got things going on. He's
not thinking of it as like it's my responsive old yet,
so he so. And also in his defense, I don't
know how Tabitha brought it up, not saying that she
came at him hard about it. If she asked him
from a good place and he acted that defensive, that sucks.
But you know, I'm going to say that my girl,
(39:16):
Tabitha came from a really good place and didn't get
mad at him and was just like, hey, you know what,
I'm feeling frustrated because you know, when I see that
you took this whole day off, I make up that
you don't care about me and you don't care about
you know, the days that will be needed for the baby.
That's how I know Tabitha said it. I know she.
(39:39):
I know she said it that way and so well,
and I appreciate Tabitha at least acknowledging his need for
some some time mental health day. So it's just, you know, Tabitha,
You're not crazy. You know. He needs to understand that
(40:00):
his time is in his time here pretty soon, Okay,
like the baby is a priority. So he'll hopefully he'll
come around to that and realize that. So just keep
having a conversation from a good place and you know,
work it out. Here's another one for you. I've been
married to my husband for five years now, and we
have two beautiful children, ages four and one. Recently, with
balancing our full time jobs, daily chores, and two very
(40:22):
needy and demanding little children, at the end of the day,
i just want to crawl into bed, but I'm also
longing to connect with my husband, let alone, go out
on a date. It's hard to find time alone time
together amongst the chaos of raising a family. I'm horrible
at staying up late to watch a movie. I feel
like our alone time needs to be specifically planned out
time activity, because we sometimes spend thirty minutes talking about
(40:45):
what we should do together. What advice would you give
to those couples just trying to ride out the wave?
Good question, Kara, Um, Michael and I have a marriage calendar. Um,
and we basically I mean it can change, but you
know it's like Mondays we read a book together. Um,
Tuesday's we have our own time or or something. Usually
(41:07):
actually Monday's we've because you have therapy. So usually it's
been like your own time, but like it it changes,
but we have like Wednesday's will do game night. Yeah,
we try to have four nights a week that are
typically planned on we're spending it together and what we're doing.
So we have yet Jana said, typically Monday nights we
read a chapter of this book that we're reading, and
(41:28):
then we like maybe watch a show or hang out
or play a game whatever else we want, but we
do that first. This is all after the kids go down,
you know. Tuesday is we play a game after the
kids go down, and then maybe we'll watch the show
or hang out. Wednesday's intentional time, so no phones, no TV,
no you know, distraction. We just sit on the couch
and a glass of wine and just talk, um, find
(41:49):
out what's new in each other's worlds. And then we
try to do a date night, you know, one of
the other night. So we know that's not easy for everybody. Um,
you know, it's easier said than done, but it's just
knowing what you're gonna do. Like you're saying, you know
Kara or is it Sarah? You think she suppose a't
(42:09):
c A R A age. I mean I thought it
was Sarah, but I'm thinking it's Kara because Car, I
really thought that would planned that one out well to
cover our bases. Kara, Kara, Sarah whereich every one of
those were just want to respect you in your name? Um,
but yeah, so I would say try to schedule something
(42:29):
like that and just be flexible with each other. It's like, hey,
I had a long day, I'm exhausted. Can we just
get into bed and watch something? Sure, but then knowing
that there are gonna be days where one or both
of you're tired, but you committed to doing something different
with each other, and if it's just like start with
just one day, start with just like, Hey, on Wednesdays,
(42:50):
can we just have intentional time or we just or
on Thursdays, can we, um, you know, on Monday, let's
pick up the movie we're gonna watch Thursday, so we
don't wait already minutes to figure it out. Like Michael's like, hey,
we're watching this movie on this day, you know, together. Um,
so yeah, just it's tough, but just try to ask
(43:12):
for what you need and um try to yeah, try
to plan it out a little bit might help. Um,
you guys are awesome. We'll see you in Canada.
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Jana Kramer
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