June 7, 2021 • 43 mins
Jana is reunited with her DWTS partner Gleb Savchenko and secrets are REVEALED!
The reminisce about the past, analyze all their relationships, talk about marriage, kids, dating and the future.
Plus, find out how Jana and Gleb prepared for one of their dance routines that involved a bed.
We go deep inside their most intense fight and all their passionate training sessions.
And Gleb offers Jana valuable advice on how to co-parent while you’re unbelievably angry at the other person.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast.
You know, it was so depressing about last week's show,
was what you just said to me? You went home? Yes,
I'm so sad about it. I went to my twelve
year old, my nine year old, and my five year
old was the five year old. I just nine. I
(00:25):
was like, guess who I just talked to. They're like
I was like, Shaia Twain and they're like, that hurts
my heart. It's just because we're old. We are young.
I'm trying to think they like with my parents generation,
like if they were like James Taylor, I'd be like, yeah,
James Taylor is amazing. Do you know, like Richard Marks,
(00:48):
Like hello, love Richard Marks. But I don't know if
everyone I don't know that's still a little older than us,
really right, I think it is Richard. I mean I
know who they are, but what everybody our age don't know.
It was just sad. I was like, you know, from
like the nineties, oh wait, oh wait, you weren't even
anyway that was excited. Um. The Memorial Day weekend was
(01:12):
a good time. We had a little pool party. I
got a little sad. It's hard being the single girl
around like husband and wives. You know, it's kind of like, oh,
I get that this is this is nice. But then
at the same time I had your husband grilling, I
had Sais husband picking up dog poop with some plastic bags.
(01:33):
So it was like my rental husband's. But no, it
did like I got into a weird funk, which I
started to feel bad about because I'm like, this Memorial Day,
people have died today, and yet I'm in a funk
because I'm lonely and like sad that I don't have
someone with me. Well, I think that's okay. And I
think that especially for someone like you that just loves
couple of things. I love couple of things, a couple
(01:55):
of nights, a couple of this intentional nights, Like I'm
a couple of person. It's going to be hard, which
I'm like, I don't even think I saw my husband
yesterday because he grilled the whole time. So like, but
I'm also not you know, but I get it. I
knew you were a little I could tell. It just
makes me sad and not And here's the deal, Like
even at parties before I like when someone checks in
(02:17):
with me, like I don't I don't want the person
like hanging on my side the ensure time, but I
like it check in. I like someone to be like,
come and grab you a little bit, like that's just me,
Like I want that, and I never got that, so
like I'm the same time part I'm kind of like,
it's not like I really had that anyways, but it's
still like knowing that, Yeah, I could write, yeah, I
(02:38):
mean I get it. I do get it, but at
least with like that group, like the guys are kind
of like your brother's so it's kind of like, but
I get it. Yeah, speaking of brothers, I fight. I
fought like brother and sister with my next guest, and
that would be the one and only Glove seven Schenko Glove.
(03:00):
I'm actually really excited to have Glab on the show
because he was my Dancing with the Stars partner and
he's never come on the show, and I'm just excited
to talk to him because obviously he's going through life
changes as well, and I think, um, he's in the
waiting room. But I have to just have to let
Catherine tell this story of like not the first time
(03:22):
you met club, but what was happening? Where are we
at That's what I was going to ask you. I
think there's New York. Were we in New York? No, No,
we couldn't have been in New York because it's New
York first, and this was at least a couple of weeks.
And surely this dance, Oh yeah, this dance was like
the like the fifth last dance I did. Why were
we We were some in some hotel take it away?
(03:44):
Oh god. Um. I don't think it's like vague to me,
but I just remember we were somewhere at a hotel
and I had my own I mean obviously, you know,
I had my hotel room, you had your hotel room, whatever.
But somehow I think it was your hotel room. I
don't know. Somehow we end up in my hotel room.
And they have to practice their dance, you know, and
(04:05):
they have like certain hours and they do all that,
you know, they go to the studios or whatever. But
they needed like a few minutes to just practice their dance.
We needed a bed, oh yeah, because the whole routine
was about being in a bed. So I'm like, it
was hard to do it on the floor because we
need an actual bed. So I'm like, so we go
to the and I make you come because I'm like
(04:26):
I don't want to be like in bed with him,
you know, like, so I made you like be there.
That's what it was. But it was like a sweet
So I just remember that it was like a separate,
separate bedroom and I was in like the living room
part of it while y'all like practice for a little while.
You're like you just stay in there for a little bit,
like like just trust me, Like just stay in there
for a little while. And then you're like hey, So
(04:48):
it's like what are they doing? And so then you're like, hey,
come here, come watch for a minute. And it was
the bedroom scene dance which everybody remembers, the shower scene,
the showers of the shower. It was in a bedroom.
Now start in the bed and then like we roll around.
Is that I came in there and they proceeded and me,
I'm so awkward anyway, especially with like physical talk. Oh
(05:09):
my god, I don't ever try to hold Catherine, say
just a guy. So I'll look in and they're literally
rolling around on the bed and I've never been more uncomfortable.
And literally, anytime I think of Glad, that's all I
think about. Yes, terrible. Well, let's bring him in high glad.
(05:38):
How are you do you remember Catherine? Hi? Remember Hi?
Good morning? How are you doing good? How are you?
So we were just talking about I wonder if he
remembers I mean, do you remember when we did the
shower dance and we need it? Who can forget a
shower dance? I know he remembers that, right, But remember
(06:01):
when we because the beginning of that dance, we were
in a bed and we're like, we need a bed.
So I was like, well, let's go to the hotel room.
And then I had Catherine and I think tarn was
there too. Someone else not in that Yeah, it was
like a several people there. I remember in my mind
I was the only one. But I just remember like,
(06:24):
first of all, okay, there, I have like so much
to talk to you about. Let's just start with that dance. Though,
Um that was like I I was even uncomfortable and
I'm like a pretty you know you know, but like
that dance in the bed was like like sexy. Well listen,
the original idea was I wanted you to start with
(06:47):
two other guys, right, and they did not approve that
because they the show and whatever. So I was like, Okay, well,
how can we can make it work. We'll just put
you alone in the bed, and but it was, it worked,
It worked out perfectly. It was great. Oh my god, glad.
(07:07):
I totally forgot that you wanted two other guys. And
I remember being like, I'm so uncomfortable that this is
the show that my dad is coming to. I actually
have a video from a rehearsal somewhere because I didn't
have two guys, I had three different girls were like
doing it and I'm like trying to portograph choreograph on them,
you know, So I have this video of them doing
(07:28):
the thing. It was. It was. It was thank god
we didn't use that because it was it would have
been terrible. Thank god. No. Yeah, I mean, I'm just
I'm glad that it ended up the way that it did.
But I do have to say like the fact that
my father was in the audience at that dance, like
you know, we did like the cute little like jive
and we did this, that and the other, and it's
like that's the one that he sees like like would
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on the line when it says, come on, give me
a taste, Like I still I still to this day, like,
can't watch that dance because I'm like, oh my god, like,
how did av see approve that? I know, it was crazy,
but it was crazy. It was crazy good. I wish
we could have done actually that dance as a freestyle. Yeah,
it would have been so like epic and so sick.
(08:14):
But I mean we did get our first four tents,
and Pitbull even gave us. And I remember I was
so stressed because I was like, you know how it is.
We finished on the show and like in my head,
like I already started chotographing the next dance because I
have to teach you a little of the next day.
And you we got a first dance and you were like,
let's go and celebrate, and I was like what, like
(08:34):
celebrate what? Remember that? I was like, I want to celebrate.
We got on first hand, and I was like so
caught up in the next thing. I was like, nah,
let's just keep pushing. And that's when we were like
I had a little, a little not a fight, but
it was like what no, we definitely we had our
first fight after that those four tents. Remember it was
(08:57):
the next dance. It was like the oh my gosh,
what it was like the washer dryer scene. Yeah, that
was a samba samble, which I hate, I hate. I
hated it to my core, like hated it, hated it.
And we had to rehearse that. You were on tour
(09:18):
and we were somewhere like in that weird studio. We
had literally nothing, no windows, it was darker. It's just bad. Yeah,
I remember we so and I've said again what did
you do? Then the stars again? You know, wait, would
you be my would you be my partner? Or or no?
(09:39):
I know maybe we'll pair you with Alan. Um, I
would do it one of you're my partner, okay, no
nobody else Alan, now nope, no, no, because we we
deserve a do over. Okay because you got sick? Yeah
the last um you draw at me on the on
(10:01):
the finale, it was the worst. Like we were we
were in the top obviously, what did we make it?
We're top four? But then it's like I screwed so bad?
Like could you write like I got sick like really
the week before and I also got injured. Remember how
like you who did you rehearse with Alan? Yeah? Yeah,
(10:22):
you flew to New York with Alan to rehearse some
kind of dance, and I mean also, it was so
exhausting for you because you were on tour. You just
had Jolie literally like six months before you're like looking
after a baby. You were doing dancing all the stars. What.
I cannot have imagine how you did all of that
at the same time I was separated from you. Were
(10:43):
hurt too for like a while, yeah, like really bad
because I remember coming to visit you and he could
not move. I'm like, how are you dancing? Yeah? The
second week, we remember, we were up in the red
what is that called the Kissing Red Room, and he
was like showing me something and I just I mean,
I my innercostal muscles or whatever. I basically tore them.
(11:06):
And I mean since yeah, I mean for weeks I
was injured and it hurts. I can't that I can
leave you remember all of that, because I actually I remember,
but I didn't know that you actually didn't remember all
of that very vivid memories of my dancing with the
stars dive. Um, yeah no, but I I have I
feel like I have to like take back something that
(11:27):
I've said, because I've I've said that you were mean before.
I mean, actually, it's so funny because Nicky Glaze and
just told me the same thing. And I never think
of myself that I could be mean. Look at me,
I'm the nicest guy, the nicest Russian, Like, no, I
(11:47):
can'not be But she told me the other day, she
was like, you actually will really mean. I don't know.
It was it like a language bearer that I would
say something to me would be normal that like you know,
I demand like if I saw you one straighten your leg,
it's like I would expect you to do it all
the time. And that's why I want to correct it
because I think, um, you were tough, and like I
(12:08):
love tough, but I think, yeah, I mean, it might
be the language barrier a little bit too. But at
the same time, you're like you always make stronger like
stronger legs, and it's like, dude, I'm trying, like I
am not a dancer. I know you're trying to make
me ad answer, but like I I wish I could
do the I wish I could look like Jenna and
Emma and all those other girls and Whitney. But I'm
(12:28):
like I I'm like literally trying my hardest, and I
think I've I've talked to like Bobby Bones about this,
and you know, Lauren, you're you know, your previous partner
and you know where it's like you go in and
it's like you're so excited, but then when you hit
like the second or third week, you are just so
mentally and emotionally just like just wrecked because you're like,
(12:51):
I suck, I'm not good at anything. I'm the worst.
Like and because it's just and you're putting yourself out
there and it's it's it's embarrassing. Then you've got a
Russian screaming at you things you know, stronger legs and like,
I'm trying listen. It's sometimes here's the thing us as
pros and I actually I've learned this along the way.
(13:14):
You know over those years that you still want to
make it fun for a celebrity. You know, you don't
want to kill completely kill the vibe. You you she
will never become a professional dancer. You know. It's a
balance of two things. You want her to enjoy the process,
enjoy the competition, but at the same time you want
to push her, like so you don't want to always
have fun because it's not gonna get you anywhere, you
(13:34):
know what I mean? It's still but it's about so
sometimes like when I work, I kind of forget about
it and then started just drilling and drilling and drilling.
And when it goes over and over and over and
for you, like you said, you're not a professional dancer
and someone there's dude every day for eight hours a day,
it tells you that you suck. You kind of get
annoyed too, you know what I mean? Like you're like, well,
(13:57):
I'm trying, but you know so, yes, So now I'm
a little different. I'm actually making it more fun for
my partners. Because I was your first US partner, right, No,
you were my second. Wait, because your first one was Li.
Did she just say an interview that she's in love
(14:18):
with you or something, or that she wishes or something
about having sex? She said, we had an emotional connection. No,
no MSR or something like that. I don't even know
what it means. Like I was like, listen, we gotta
to learn some She said that she wished she wished
that she slept with you. Lisa vander Pop said that,
(14:41):
oh I love Mesa Lisa Vanderpup. What yeah, that she
wished that she's left with you. Well, first of all,
we you know, she's married to Kim and I love
Kim okay, and I was married at that time. So
and like, I mean, here's the thing, Like I don't
all like you he can do it right, Like do
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you wish that you slept with her too? Club? What? No?
I mean, I I will say though, like I love
this conversation. By the way, this is amazing, this is
so fun. We're happy to have you on here. But
I will you know, it's you're very intimate. I mean,
(15:25):
for example, like our shower dance and other dances and
we are up. I don't know if I like knowing
that because it's like and essentially you're falling in love
in a dance, right, Like we had to be act
and be emotionally connected to each other and sexually connected
to each other. And obviously we had really good chemistry.
But if I was like, like, I don't think I
(15:46):
could handle one of my like if a boyfriend or
a husband, I don't know, because it's like you you
have to have that, Like I don't know it was.
I mean, it's like listen, it's like acting, you know
what I mean. Chapters Mary, they have family and then
you know you book a movie where you have to
be naked making out with a hot dude and you're
(16:07):
like shooting somewhere in Canada for four months. But it's
just acting, you still, you know, it's it's not real.
It's like you're transported in a different world. So you
want to create that illusion, you know that. And you
do have to have chemistry with I think with your
partner because it's important to work together, you know, like
(16:30):
you'd so much time together every single day. Um, you
don't want to hate each other, you know. But kind
of like with the acting thing though, it's almost like
Gleab is the normal actor and the other dancers are not,
which is a conversation you have with people all the time.
Like when you're the actor, it just feels like a job,
but if you're not a normal actor, it doesn't. It's
(16:52):
so true. Yeah, for you, it's a lot easier too
because you're an actress. Like even though you're doing something
completely foreign to you, like your dance saying, but you're
putting yourself in character, you know what I mean When
I told you, like you have to be all this
like icy like that. You know you're doing it even
though it maybe it's not like perfect or whatever, but
(17:12):
you trying and when you're actually putting yourself out there
like doing it, committing to it, then it looks like
a dope freaking dance. Yeah. No, that's so true though,
because it's like I always talk to people and I'm like,
it's so not like it's just acting and there's no like, yeah,
you have chemistry, but it's not. It stops there when
the scene ends, you know. And um, yeah, so that
(17:34):
makes that makes total sense. What you're saying to I,
who is your favorite partner? You don't have to say me.
It's that you are my favorite partner. You are my
favorite partner. You know it. If we could go if
you could go back and redo our stuff, you know,
our season, what would be different that you would want
to take into I think because here's the thing. Like
(18:00):
when we were on the season, I was taking a
week at a time. I was just like, this is
our last week, and we were on the bottom to
six times, like every time we go from week two,
we're on the bottom two and we never got eliminated.
So I was I thought, we're gonna go home every
single week. Now, what I would do differently, I would
(18:21):
just face ourselves, you know, like I would take it slow,
like you don't have to do your best best work
every single week, even though you want to try it,
but sometimes you don't want to stress about it. And
because I was stressed, so stressed that I got sicked,
that I got you know, exhausted, that I got weak,
and the whole thing just fell apart. Even though we
made it fine, we could have been, we could have
(18:44):
want like you could have won it. You're that kind
of work material that actually can win the show. That's
why I want to go back and like redo it.
And then do you remember this is the funniest thing.
I don't know if you remember this, but I got
we got into a fight. You called me a E
I T H. I remember exactly how it was. I
(19:04):
will remember exactly how it was to be so late,
and it drove me crazy because I'm like respect my
time as well, like I have my kid, I'm separated
from my husband, Like I'm like, you know, I was
like stressed years that I know, So it was like
a semifinal something. It was still that was in the
end of the show. We have this master interview. Master
interviews you huge interviews, so important, right, so important hold
(19:28):
one production like temp producers on set all this like
lighting this set up for us. And I'm late for
about thirty four, like literally late for the whole thing,
just because I was in wardrobe fighting them over Janna's dressed.
I didn't know that, yeah, And I was like, no,
we'll have like and I had this whole conversation with them.
(19:49):
I was like, I'm going to be late for this
mastering me like no, we we're gonna do this and
this and this, and I know how like she would
look beautiful in this. So I sit down and she
gives me this attitude la it I did. I was
like like at least like anyways, she snapped like she
said something really annoying, and I was like, you're a
(20:11):
bit like. I was like, and she oh my god.
It was like she everybody kind of went like oh uh.
First of all, like I'm sorry, Okay, I shouldn't we
have already. I know, I know we were just we
had a lot of high energies. Out of the room,
she threw the mic sort of stone out like I
(20:34):
ran up. I was like, okay, what do I do? Shoot?
So I ran on the street. I stopped for the
cameras followed that like some babe, we are in it together,
let's do the job, let's just dance, let's just and
they've never actually they showed a little bit of it,
but they've never actually showed the whole thing. Yeah, I
mean they showed, and I was I was glad they
(20:56):
didn't show mad at me, you know, And I have
to apologize to because I I had so much going
on with like my ext just coming back from rehab
and like, you know, the baby and the stress and
the show and like. And then I think when when
you called me that, I was just like no, no,
like and then and I wanted to win two. I
wanted to make you happy, and I wanted you know,
(21:18):
I wanted all of that. So it was I think
it was just we were just when you spend that
much intimate time with someone and work and there's so
many emotions, and then on top of it, like you
had your family stuff going on. I had my family stuff,
and it's just it's a lot, you know. But I
would I would do it again, minus the bitch com
I would do it again. I would do it all
(21:40):
again over. I really would. It was it was. It
was a good time, who is your least favorite partner?
Can you tell me it's only just us three? Well,
here's the thing, I don't have like a least favorite partner.
There's always comes like I love everybody, you know, I'm
thinking pretty much staying in touch with everybody. But when
(22:02):
it comes to dancing, like if you can say, if
you can tell me who like probably was like the
least experience dancer and like with a lot of challenges
that obstacle that came my way, I would probably say
Nikki Glazer. She's so cool though, and I love that
y'all just like went out, you know what I mean.
(22:23):
He cares about dancing. So I would be like, if
I would have to choose between this and this, I
would take definitely Nicki, you know what I mean, Like
a I don't want to manage that other people's names.
But do you have like a celebrity that if you
could just pick someone to be your partner? Well, I
don't know, help me out, let's brainstorm. Let's right now,
(22:47):
you don't have like a dream person that would be
like the ultimate dance partner. Honestly, no, I don't. I
don't know, because well we'll figure that out. For you.
It really depends you can be here's the thing, Like
you can be an amazing dancer where you can be
very like flat of no personality, you know what I mean.
(23:07):
You can have a huge personality and really dancer. You
can be kind of like, you know, dancer but teachable
and likable and famous with great personality that you know.
So it's like a balance of everything. So the perfect
personally who can win? Got it. It's funny that, like
(23:30):
every time Glob gets a new partner, I secretly get
like kind of jealous because I'm like, because it's such
a fun experience, Like even through all the ups and
downs we had, like it was still such a fun
experience and like to be able to do something that
was so out of my comfort zone. But yeah, I
do I always get a little like, uh, like because
I'm like, I want to go back and do it. Um.
(23:51):
But I will say, you know, throughout the years, you know,
we haven't stayed in like in touch a lot, but
I will say I I greatly appreciated, Um, you reached
out to me when you heard about my break or
my my breakup, and it's just like you've been You've
been so sweet and kind like through through it and
(24:13):
because you know you've walked the same path, and I
just I really appreciate you reaching out and you know,
just kind of helping me, um with with you know, questions,
because I was asking him one time, like how do
you do it? Like how do you like? How do
you co parent? Like when you're angry? And how do
you like because you're you're going through that. So I
just appreciate all the support that you've you've shown me. Yeah,
(24:36):
it's life. You know, life happens, and we just keep moving.
You know, you gotta keep moving. You just gotta do
what's best for you. Um. You know, in my situation,
we I love Elaine, I respect I have huge respect
to her. Um. Of course she's the mother of my kids,
you know what I mean. So, UM, it's hard at
(24:59):
times because you know, no one's perfect and there's always
but you have to communicate. There's a conversation, you know. Um,
when it's in the early stage, I feel like it's
really hard to do because you can't really stand each other,
you know what I mean. You're like, I don't want
to see your ass at all. But because you have kids,
and like you know, we we just decided that we're
(25:24):
not going to speak about like anything, nothing negative in
front of the kids. You know, regardless of what's going on.
We can have an appointment with a lawyer and the
mediator and have a huge, massive fight in the morning,
But when we're together with kids, like you know, I
pick up a living from school and I take her
to a dance studio, and I see her in a
(25:44):
dance studio, we're cool, you know what I mean. We laugh,
like I get her flowers from Mother's Day things like that,
you know what I mean That I want to show
my girls that how that should treat their mom, which
is really important to me, you know, because they should
know that how they should be treated in the future,
(26:05):
you know what I'm saying. Like, so that's important and
everything else. You know, it is what it is. Do
you feel that you're kind of on the other side
of it now, Like do you are you Are you happier?
Do you feel lighter? Like do you feel like you
made the right choice? I mean, here's the thing, Um,
(26:31):
it's not about making the right choice, do you know
what I mean? It just it just happens. Whatever supposed
to happen happens. So It's not like, you know, like
one day you wake up and you're like, Okay, I
don't want to be with this person anymore. That's it, right,
It's kind of like it gradually. It's it's you know,
a long time coming, you know. So there's like a
(26:52):
lot of issues that we were going through try to
make it work. There's several times like broke up and
live separately for a little bit and tried to make
it work. I tried my best to make it work.
She tried for best to make it work. There are
certain things like when they're like I don't know, like
when the energy is not there, there's no there's really
nothing really just kids holding you together. So that's that
(27:18):
becomes the end. I'm curious to like on dating, because
you know, it looked like you had moved on quite
(27:40):
fast after the breakup, you know, and we were just
having this conversation where it's like she asked me, like
when would I want to start dating? By the way, no,
I know, not now, but like you you know, use
some girl went to Camba with you and like you
were guys were like, you know whatever, and so Katherine
was asking, She's like, when are you going to start
doing and I'm like, I feel like there's this like
(28:02):
timeline that like we're supposed to you know, not move
fast into relationship or not you know, go to the
next one. But at the same time, it's like if
you meet someone, then it's like why would why would
I push out a beautiful person in my life just
because the timeline says that I should probably take more
time or that I shouldn't move too faster. Where where
like your thoughts on dating and kind of moving on? Um,
(28:27):
how was Miami? By the way, it was so fun.
Nothing happened, but it was so fun. So I mean
that's listen, here's the thing. You see, Like you went
to Miami, you took your time just for yourself to
enjoy your friends, with your girls, have fun, like sometimes
you even need to date anyone and just have a
(28:48):
good time. It's all about the energy surrounding yourself with
the people you want to be with, you know, and
having that like recharge yourself, like find yourself back, like
have that you know, wake up in the morning and
be excited about life, you know, and have your way
of doing things, not like you know, someone tells you
(29:09):
that you have to do this and Okay, of fine,
because you don't want to make this person upset or something,
you know what I mean. Um, dating if it comes,
it comes, if it's not like it's not so it's
not like you wanna go and like, oh now I
need to date. No, you know, you just I don't know,
Like I don't have we actually thought of it. Um,
(29:29):
the cowboy thing, Um, it was just a good times
a little bit. And you know, well listen, here's the thing.
I tell you this. When you're married for fifteen years,
and you were married for fifteen years, I was married
for fifteen years, there's a lot of spouses support right there. Yeah,
(29:56):
well you know it. Come on, we're like man to
man speaking like, Yeah, that one's I'm not ready to
talk about that one. And I'm still it's a little
bitter about that one. Yeah, but anyway, so listen, cowboys beautiful.
But I want to go to Tuloom next time. I've
never been to Tuloom. Let's go. That's friends, friends, like true,
(30:22):
they just took that one and ran with it, levenge
and and go to because I had so we just
but I mean, listen, what's wrong with that? Friends? Yeah,
we've danced on the show for four months. We've stayed
in touch, like what's right, Like when you're in the
l A, let's go to dinner, And I would love
to go to dinner. Yeah, no, I would love to.
(30:43):
I'm going to be there like a week or so,
so yeah, I would love to see you. And you know,
I'm curious to, um, what are you? Like, what are
you doing now? So that the show starts in fall
right this year? Yeah? Okay, so and are you for
sure going back? Well I wish I want to, of course,
(31:04):
but we don't know until the very last moment, you
know how they pick up grows until like literally two
days before we have to start rehearsals, like we have
no idea who we're going to be dancing with, and
like our partners will all get stressed and excited. Yeah.
So yeah, I'm excited for it. It's an anniversary season
season thirty. Oh that sounds fussy. They should have done
(31:28):
like a like an All Star for thirty. Well here's
the thing. If you go back in the All Stars,
like they will never pairs together. Why I don't know,
because they like to switch it up. See I would
think people would want to watch. Yeah, the same people
be partners again. That's why I would watch. I mean,
we would definitely kill it, like it would be so good.
(31:50):
What's so, what are you doing then? So if you
might do the show, obviously you will because you're They
would be stupid if they didn't have you back on.
But what what else are you doing? Like are you
still teaching dancing or I mean this whole COVID thing
really kind of kill the vibe. With tour, we didn't
(32:11):
have tours, so we did last season, um with no audience.
We had to take COVID test every single day, literally
every single day, no Saturday, Sunday. Um, and we're supposed
to go in through. We usually after the season we'll
go on tour for about three and a half months
and um, this time we didn't go. So I start,
I had to do something, you know, I gotta hustle.
I still gotta you know, dance and teach and you know, perform.
(32:34):
So Um, I've been teaching a lot of online lessons. Um,
I'm teaching. There's new really cool spot in Malibu called
Roughs Lounge. I'm doing every Saturday saws the classes there,
which is still fine. There's a lot of people, Um,
and it's just survive. You know. It's a cool vibe.
(32:55):
It's outside, it's right looking over the ocean, right across
from Nobu. Just it's super like I really enjoy it. Um,
So when you're in the LA, we should do that. Yeah,
I should do that in l A. That would be
so fun, actually said Saturday's Saturdays. Yeah, you can give
(33:18):
us all the lessons you can. I have a private
lesson private tonight. But looking over the beach. Please yeah,
I'm not sure after being spoused to support, you'll do that. Yeah,
(33:39):
I'll for free for you all do for free. It
would just be fun to like dance again, you know,
like I it's a good workout like that would just
be that would be really cool because I I really
did enjoy it. If there's one thing that you've learned
throughout your divorce, everything with the kids and justum, Elena,
what's what's one thing that like you want to do
(34:00):
better at and as a person for the next time
the next go around. Uh, listen, the thing is my
kids out priority for me. They're everything, you know. I
feel like, Um, when I worked and there was in
the season and I was doing tour, we lived together,
(34:22):
we always had like live in nanny with us, and
you know, her mom would come in out. I would
spend less time with kids, and then I spend now
and we're splitting custody with her, so there are five
days with me and five days with her. Um. I
would want to be more present for them, you know
what I mean, just be even though I was present,
but I would love still too obviously, like besides work,
(34:46):
like do fun stuff with them more so instead of
like just you know, nanny's taking care of them, like
I would do it myself even though I did it.
I don't know what I'm saying this, Like I just
like it's good, it's enough, but up, I wish I
could do more. It's just like it's always not enough
when I like with with my girls, like I feel
like I want to be with them a little bit more,
(35:07):
you know. No, that makes sense for sure, but you're
also providing for them too, So it's that balance you
have to walk, which also like I would take And
here's the thing that I think this is really important.
I would take more holidays together, you know, even without kids,
just you know, with like like I don't know, like
(35:28):
l A and like if I if I speak back right,
Like with her, I would go more like just take
our time together, like go to like romantic dinners and
like go um, you know, holidays, just two of us,
do something fun stuff like do like some crazy activities
like go and take a road trip, just two of us.
You know, if you have a chance to have kids
(35:48):
with someone and they you know they've been looked after,
like do stuff fun stuff for for yourself because sometimes
like you get caught up and work so much and
you don't spend time together and you kind of stop
losing that you know that's fun, Like you still have
to have fun together. Yeah, this is I don't know
why I started thinking about this when you were talking.
(36:09):
But for your next relationship, next serious relationship, would you
are you done having kids or would you have more?
I would have more? You would, yeah, because I was
because I was talking with the girls and they were like,
I'm like, well what if you know, and They're like, well,
what if do you want more kids? And I'm like,
(36:30):
oh my god, I've just never like I've never had
to think of that conversation or have that Like I
never thought I would have to have that conversation again.
So I mean obviously I'm not kids. I don't know,
Like I don't. I'm old, I'm having miscarriages, you know,
Like I don't, but you know, like I know, we
talked about this last week, but I just I don't know.
(36:52):
I just I don't think. I don't. I don't know.
Maybe if I met the one and you know, but again,
I'm mean to have a kid. I mean I feel
like it's I mean, it's not easy, but it's kind
of easy, right, But to actually be with the you know,
with the kid and be a good parent and like
(37:14):
commit and like you know, just spend all of your
time with that person. Just it's really important to me,
you know, So like if I wouldn't be able to
do that, like if I'm working and I'm like busy,
Like what's the point of it, you know what I mean?
I really want to experience that. I really want to
enjoy that moment. I think that's important for sure. If
there's anything I was one thing that I would love
(37:35):
to experience is like I've never been able to like
whenever I found out I was pregnant, there was always
like something happening or like in my relationship. So it
would be nice to experience it in a healthy and
happy way and like celebrate it and not be like,
oh my god, you know, like because I was happy,
but like there was always something behind the scenes that
(37:55):
I didn't know about or I had just found out about.
So it would it would be nice to not have
any of that energy and just be like we're pregnant,
like like what you're supposed to feel, you know. So
I think that would be the only thing. How are
you feeling? Like goes in waves, you know, Like I'm
I'm the only thing that gets me is like the
(38:18):
other night, I was super overwhelmed. I don't have any help.
Um uh, And you know, the kids only go to
school twice a week, so the other days I'm in
Jason's only half days. So it's just it's hard, and
you know, there's I had a I had a partner
in this before, and so one of the days, it
was just a really really really hard day. The kids
were just being difficult and I had a lot of
(38:39):
work to do and I only have like a few
hours during that time to get that work done. And
at the end of the day, I just started crying
because I'm like, I didn't ask to do this alone.
You know, like I I wanted my husband. I wanted
my partner to do this with me like this, this
doesn't feel good to like feel this frustrated and you know,
have so much mean, you should see my house. It's
like it's a mess and it's but it's like I'm
(39:00):
I only have so much time, and it's I just
feel like I'm kind of like depleted a little bit,
and I need to ask for help and and you know,
do that, but it's it's hard, and I get upset
because again it's like I didn't want to do this alone,
Like this isn't what I wanted. I didn't want to
be a single mom, you know. But it's not that
I miss him because I'm very happy. I'm like how
(39:22):
you guys co parenting, I'm trying to keep the distance
because I just think it's better for us with less communication,
So putting the kids first and trying to keep because
you know, like you said in the very beginning, there's
a lot of emotions and it's very hard to uh
(39:45):
be the bigger person when the person that hurt you
is not nice. So I just now know what I
need to do now and just I'm just distancing myself
and you know, we're I'm doing I'm I'm doing my
partner being nice and that's all I can control. And
I'm just less communication than better right now, right, Yeah,
(40:07):
but it sucks, you know, but hopefully one day when
all the emotions wear off and you know, we can
be friendly. Right But because I wish, Like I look
at some couples and I'm like, they're like going on
vacation together. I don't. I don't want that, but like,
but at the same time, that's kind of cool. You know,
maybe who knows, Like, let's try to be adults and
(40:29):
just get along. Yeah, you know, I love I should
take some time probably right, But I appreciate your friendship.
I appreciate you, and um, I'm excited to see you
in l A for a little tango and lunching lunch.
I'm down for it. Thank you for coming on wind Down.
Where can our listeners find you? Um, you guys can
(40:53):
find me on Instagram, Glibs of Chink Official, g l
eb suf Chin. You can find me on Twitter, um
gleab underscores Uchenko and where else you can find me. Malibu.
What's the Malibu classes? Yeah, you can find me Malibu
Roughs Lounge just Rops Lounge, right across from Noble every
(41:16):
Saturday at the eleven the m I love it. Okay,
thank you, I will one of the weekends I'm not
with the kids. I'll come okay, okay, so much love
to you, and um, I'll see you at the All
Stars Okay by glob h. We're friends again. I know,
we've been friends for all He's so sweet. It's just yeah,
(41:41):
he's he's a sweetheart. It's so crazy. They're like, how
our lives are changing around the same time. How long
has it been for him? Probably like six months? Maybe, yeah,
it was when it was when the Last Dancing Stars
Chris was his partner, and then they're the whole headlines
about them. But there's a couple of months ahead of you, okay,
(42:03):
a couple of months ahead, which it really didn't mean
a lot when he reached out, because yeah, it's I
will say. There's one person, a freend. Well, she was
actually a really good friend. We're not really friends anymore.
Actually haven't talked at all. But you realize who your
friends are when you go through that. Because I didn't
hear one word from that friend that still blows my mind.
(42:23):
Not one word, like I heard from people that don't
even know you, just checking on you. Yeah, like every
and even like Taryn, my hair makeup lady, like she
was like I had friends texting me. I know, so
I know she knows, like she's in the industry. She knows,
but it's like, how like yeah, so that that kind
of hurts my feelings. And I've yet too, because at
(42:45):
this point I'm like, I don't need like it doesn't
make sense. It's still hurtful. It's hurtful. Yeah, it's definitely
hurtful because I would reach out and it's like a
good gleb and I aren't like besties, but like, you know,
he reached out. Like it's just so many people reach out.
Nice to know that people care, and then you realize
that people that don't really care, well you're better off.
(43:09):
Well that was a really good episode. Thanks Catherine for
coming on and reminiscing about the bedroom scene. Oh my gosh,
so many memories from that time. Oh that was fun.
That was really fun. I'm gonna try to post some
old videos from Dancing with the Stars because yeah, you know,
like I don't know, I miss it so that'll be like,
(43:31):
I'll put some stuff on my page, um um, and
we should go to Tuloom just like a big fun everybody.
Let's all go, let's all go, book your tickets. Wind
down crew, See you guys next week
Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast.
You know, it was so depressing about last week's show,
was what you just said to me? You went home? Yes,
I'm so sad about it. I went to my twelve
year old, my nine year old, and my five year
old was the five year old. I just nine. I
(00:25):
was like, guess who I just talked to. They're like
I was like, Shaia Twain and they're like, that hurts
my heart. It's just because we're old. We are young.
I'm trying to think they like with my parents generation,
like if they were like James Taylor, I'd be like, yeah,
James Taylor is amazing. Do you know, like Richard Marks,
(00:48):
Like hello, love Richard Marks. But I don't know if
everyone I don't know that's still a little older than us,
really right, I think it is Richard. I mean I
know who they are, but what everybody our age don't know.
It was just sad. I was like, you know, from
like the nineties, oh wait, oh wait, you weren't even
anyway that was excited. Um. The Memorial Day weekend was
(01:12):
a good time. We had a little pool party. I
got a little sad. It's hard being the single girl
around like husband and wives. You know, it's kind of like, oh,
I get that this is this is nice. But then
at the same time I had your husband grilling, I
had Sais husband picking up dog poop with some plastic bags.
(01:33):
So it was like my rental husband's. But no, it
did like I got into a weird funk, which I
started to feel bad about because I'm like, this Memorial Day,
people have died today, and yet I'm in a funk
because I'm lonely and like sad that I don't have
someone with me. Well, I think that's okay. And I
think that especially for someone like you that just loves
couple of things. I love couple of things, a couple
(01:55):
of nights, a couple of this intentional nights, Like I'm
a couple of person. It's going to be hard, which
I'm like, I don't even think I saw my husband
yesterday because he grilled the whole time. So like, but
I'm also not you know, but I get it. I
knew you were a little I could tell. It just
makes me sad and not And here's the deal, Like
even at parties before I like when someone checks in
(02:17):
with me, like I don't I don't want the person
like hanging on my side the ensure time, but I
like it check in. I like someone to be like,
come and grab you a little bit, like that's just me,
Like I want that, and I never got that, so
like I'm the same time part I'm kind of like,
it's not like I really had that anyways, but it's
still like knowing that, Yeah, I could write, yeah, I
(02:38):
mean I get it. I do get it, but at
least with like that group, like the guys are kind
of like your brother's so it's kind of like, but
I get it. Yeah, speaking of brothers, I fight. I
fought like brother and sister with my next guest, and
that would be the one and only Glove seven Schenko Glove.
(03:00):
I'm actually really excited to have Glab on the show
because he was my Dancing with the Stars partner and
he's never come on the show, and I'm just excited
to talk to him because obviously he's going through life
changes as well, and I think, um, he's in the
waiting room. But I have to just have to let
Catherine tell this story of like not the first time
(03:22):
you met club, but what was happening? Where are we
at That's what I was going to ask you. I
think there's New York. Were we in New York? No, No,
we couldn't have been in New York because it's New
York first, and this was at least a couple of weeks.
And surely this dance, Oh yeah, this dance was like
the like the fifth last dance I did. Why were
we We were some in some hotel take it away?
(03:44):
Oh god. Um. I don't think it's like vague to me,
but I just remember we were somewhere at a hotel
and I had my own I mean obviously, you know,
I had my hotel room, you had your hotel room, whatever.
But somehow I think it was your hotel room. I
don't know. Somehow we end up in my hotel room.
And they have to practice their dance, you know, and
(04:05):
they have like certain hours and they do all that,
you know, they go to the studios or whatever. But
they needed like a few minutes to just practice their dance.
We needed a bed, oh yeah, because the whole routine
was about being in a bed. So I'm like, it
was hard to do it on the floor because we
need an actual bed. So I'm like, so we go
to the and I make you come because I'm like
(04:26):
I don't want to be like in bed with him,
you know, like, so I made you like be there.
That's what it was. But it was like a sweet
So I just remember that it was like a separate,
separate bedroom and I was in like the living room
part of it while y'all like practice for a little while.
You're like you just stay in there for a little bit,
like like just trust me, Like just stay in there
for a little while. And then you're like hey, So
(04:48):
it's like what are they doing? And so then you're like, hey,
come here, come watch for a minute. And it was
the bedroom scene dance which everybody remembers, the shower scene,
the showers of the shower. It was in a bedroom.
Now start in the bed and then like we roll around.
Is that I came in there and they proceeded and me,
I'm so awkward anyway, especially with like physical talk. Oh
(05:09):
my god, I don't ever try to hold Catherine, say
just a guy. So I'll look in and they're literally
rolling around on the bed and I've never been more uncomfortable.
And literally, anytime I think of Glad, that's all I
think about. Yes, terrible. Well, let's bring him in high glad.
(05:38):
How are you do you remember Catherine? Hi? Remember Hi?
Good morning? How are you doing good? How are you?
So we were just talking about I wonder if he
remembers I mean, do you remember when we did the
shower dance and we need it? Who can forget a
shower dance? I know he remembers that, right, But remember
(06:01):
when we because the beginning of that dance, we were
in a bed and we're like, we need a bed.
So I was like, well, let's go to the hotel room.
And then I had Catherine and I think tarn was
there too. Someone else not in that Yeah, it was
like a several people there. I remember in my mind
I was the only one. But I just remember like,
(06:24):
first of all, okay, there, I have like so much
to talk to you about. Let's just start with that dance. Though,
Um that was like I I was even uncomfortable and
I'm like a pretty you know you know, but like
that dance in the bed was like like sexy. Well listen,
the original idea was I wanted you to start with
(06:47):
two other guys, right, and they did not approve that
because they the show and whatever. So I was like, Okay, well,
how can we can make it work. We'll just put
you alone in the bed, and but it was, it worked,
It worked out perfectly. It was great. Oh my god, glad.
(07:07):
I totally forgot that you wanted two other guys. And
I remember being like, I'm so uncomfortable that this is
the show that my dad is coming to. I actually
have a video from a rehearsal somewhere because I didn't
have two guys, I had three different girls were like
doing it and I'm like trying to portograph choreograph on them,
you know, So I have this video of them doing
(07:28):
the thing. It was. It was. It was thank god
we didn't use that because it was it would have
been terrible. Thank god. No. Yeah, I mean, I'm just
I'm glad that it ended up the way that it did.
But I do have to say like the fact that
my father was in the audience at that dance, like
you know, we did like the cute little like jive
and we did this, that and the other, and it's
like that's the one that he sees like like would
(07:51):
on the line when it says, come on, give me
a taste, Like I still I still to this day, like,
can't watch that dance because I'm like, oh my god, like,
how did av see approve that? I know, it was crazy,
but it was crazy. It was crazy good. I wish
we could have done actually that dance as a freestyle. Yeah,
it would have been so like epic and so sick.
(08:14):
But I mean we did get our first four tents,
and Pitbull even gave us. And I remember I was
so stressed because I was like, you know how it is.
We finished on the show and like in my head,
like I already started chotographing the next dance because I
have to teach you a little of the next day.
And you we got a first dance and you were like,
let's go and celebrate, and I was like what, like
(08:34):
celebrate what? Remember that? I was like, I want to celebrate.
We got on first hand, and I was like so
caught up in the next thing. I was like, nah,
let's just keep pushing. And that's when we were like
I had a little, a little not a fight, but
it was like what no, we definitely we had our
first fight after that those four tents. Remember it was
(08:57):
the next dance. It was like the oh my gosh,
what it was like the washer dryer scene. Yeah, that
was a samba samble, which I hate, I hate. I
hated it to my core, like hated it, hated it.
And we had to rehearse that. You were on tour
(09:18):
and we were somewhere like in that weird studio. We
had literally nothing, no windows, it was darker. It's just bad. Yeah,
I remember we so and I've said again what did
you do? Then the stars again? You know, wait, would
you be my would you be my partner? Or or no?
(09:39):
I know maybe we'll pair you with Alan. Um, I
would do it one of you're my partner, okay, no
nobody else Alan, now nope, no, no, because we we
deserve a do over. Okay because you got sick? Yeah
the last um you draw at me on the on
(10:01):
the finale, it was the worst. Like we were we
were in the top obviously, what did we make it?
We're top four? But then it's like I screwed so bad?
Like could you write like I got sick like really
the week before and I also got injured. Remember how
like you who did you rehearse with Alan? Yeah? Yeah,
(10:22):
you flew to New York with Alan to rehearse some
kind of dance, and I mean also, it was so
exhausting for you because you were on tour. You just
had Jolie literally like six months before you're like looking
after a baby. You were doing dancing all the stars. What.
I cannot have imagine how you did all of that
at the same time I was separated from you. Were
(10:43):
hurt too for like a while, yeah, like really bad
because I remember coming to visit you and he could
not move. I'm like, how are you dancing? Yeah? The
second week, we remember, we were up in the red
what is that called the Kissing Red Room, and he
was like showing me something and I just I mean,
I my innercostal muscles or whatever. I basically tore them.
(11:06):
And I mean since yeah, I mean for weeks I
was injured and it hurts. I can't that I can
leave you remember all of that, because I actually I remember,
but I didn't know that you actually didn't remember all
of that very vivid memories of my dancing with the
stars dive. Um, yeah no, but I I have I
feel like I have to like take back something that
(11:27):
I've said, because I've I've said that you were mean before.
I mean, actually, it's so funny because Nicky Glaze and
just told me the same thing. And I never think
of myself that I could be mean. Look at me,
I'm the nicest guy, the nicest Russian, Like, no, I
(11:47):
can'not be But she told me the other day, she
was like, you actually will really mean. I don't know.
It was it like a language bearer that I would
say something to me would be normal that like you know,
I demand like if I saw you one straighten your leg,
it's like I would expect you to do it all
the time. And that's why I want to correct it
because I think, um, you were tough, and like I
(12:08):
love tough, but I think, yeah, I mean, it might
be the language barrier a little bit too. But at
the same time, you're like you always make stronger like
stronger legs, and it's like, dude, I'm trying, like I
am not a dancer. I know you're trying to make
me ad answer, but like I I wish I could
do the I wish I could look like Jenna and
Emma and all those other girls and Whitney. But I'm
(12:28):
like I I'm like literally trying my hardest, and I
think I've I've talked to like Bobby Bones about this,
and you know, Lauren, you're you know, your previous partner
and you know where it's like you go in and
it's like you're so excited, but then when you hit
like the second or third week, you are just so
mentally and emotionally just like just wrecked because you're like,
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I suck, I'm not good at anything. I'm the worst.
Like and because it's just and you're putting yourself out
there and it's it's it's embarrassing. Then you've got a
Russian screaming at you things you know, stronger legs and like,
I'm trying listen. It's sometimes here's the thing us as
pros and I actually I've learned this along the way.
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You know over those years that you still want to
make it fun for a celebrity. You know, you don't
want to kill completely kill the vibe. You you she
will never become a professional dancer. You know. It's a
balance of two things. You want her to enjoy the process,
enjoy the competition, but at the same time you want
to push her, like so you don't want to always
have fun because it's not gonna get you anywhere, you
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know what I mean? It's still but it's about so
sometimes like when I work, I kind of forget about
it and then started just drilling and drilling and drilling.
And when it goes over and over and over and
for you, like you said, you're not a professional dancer
and someone there's dude every day for eight hours a day,
it tells you that you suck. You kind of get
annoyed too, you know what I mean? Like you're like, well,
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I'm trying, but you know so, yes, So now I'm
a little different. I'm actually making it more fun for
my partners. Because I was your first US partner, right, No,
you were my second. Wait, because your first one was Li.
Did she just say an interview that she's in love
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with you or something, or that she wishes or something
about having sex? She said, we had an emotional connection. No,
no MSR or something like that. I don't even know
what it means. Like I was like, listen, we gotta
to learn some She said that she wished she wished
that she slept with you. Lisa vander Pop said that,
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oh I love Mesa Lisa Vanderpup. What yeah, that she
wished that she's left with you. Well, first of all,
we you know, she's married to Kim and I love
Kim okay, and I was married at that time. So
and like, I mean, here's the thing, Like I don't
all like you he can do it right, Like do
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you wish that you slept with her too? Club? What? No?
I mean, I I will say though, like I love
this conversation. By the way, this is amazing, this is
so fun. We're happy to have you on here. But
I will you know, it's you're very intimate. I mean,
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for example, like our shower dance and other dances and
we are up. I don't know if I like knowing
that because it's like and essentially you're falling in love
in a dance, right, Like we had to be act
and be emotionally connected to each other and sexually connected
to each other. And obviously we had really good chemistry.
But if I was like, like, I don't think I
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could handle one of my like if a boyfriend or
a husband, I don't know, because it's like you you
have to have that, Like I don't know it was.
I mean, it's like listen, it's like acting, you know
what I mean. Chapters Mary, they have family and then
you know you book a movie where you have to
be naked making out with a hot dude and you're
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like shooting somewhere in Canada for four months. But it's
just acting, you still, you know, it's it's not real.
It's like you're transported in a different world. So you
want to create that illusion, you know that. And you
do have to have chemistry with I think with your
partner because it's important to work together, you know, like
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you'd so much time together every single day. Um, you
don't want to hate each other, you know. But kind
of like with the acting thing though, it's almost like
Gleab is the normal actor and the other dancers are not,
which is a conversation you have with people all the time.
Like when you're the actor, it just feels like a job,
but if you're not a normal actor, it doesn't. It's
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so true. Yeah, for you, it's a lot easier too
because you're an actress. Like even though you're doing something
completely foreign to you, like your dance saying, but you're
putting yourself in character, you know what I mean When
I told you, like you have to be all this
like icy like that. You know you're doing it even
though it maybe it's not like perfect or whatever, but
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you trying and when you're actually putting yourself out there
like doing it, committing to it, then it looks like
a dope freaking dance. Yeah. No, that's so true though,
because it's like I always talk to people and I'm like,
it's so not like it's just acting and there's no like, yeah,
you have chemistry, but it's not. It stops there when
the scene ends, you know. And um, yeah, so that
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makes that makes total sense. What you're saying to I,
who is your favorite partner? You don't have to say me.
It's that you are my favorite partner. You are my
favorite partner. You know it. If we could go if
you could go back and redo our stuff, you know,
our season, what would be different that you would want
to take into I think because here's the thing. Like
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when we were on the season, I was taking a
week at a time. I was just like, this is
our last week, and we were on the bottom to
six times, like every time we go from week two,
we're on the bottom two and we never got eliminated.
So I was I thought, we're gonna go home every
single week. Now, what I would do differently, I would
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just face ourselves, you know, like I would take it slow,
like you don't have to do your best best work
every single week, even though you want to try it,
but sometimes you don't want to stress about it. And
because I was stressed, so stressed that I got sicked,
that I got you know, exhausted, that I got weak,
and the whole thing just fell apart. Even though we
made it fine, we could have been, we could have
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want like you could have won it. You're that kind
of work material that actually can win the show. That's
why I want to go back and like redo it.
And then do you remember this is the funniest thing.
I don't know if you remember this, but I got
we got into a fight. You called me a E
I T H. I remember exactly how it was. I
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will remember exactly how it was to be so late,
and it drove me crazy because I'm like respect my
time as well, like I have my kid, I'm separated
from my husband, Like I'm like, you know, I was
like stressed years that I know, So it was like
a semifinal something. It was still that was in the
end of the show. We have this master interview. Master
interviews you huge interviews, so important, right, so important hold
(19:28):
one production like temp producers on set all this like
lighting this set up for us. And I'm late for
about thirty four, like literally late for the whole thing,
just because I was in wardrobe fighting them over Janna's dressed.
I didn't know that, yeah, And I was like, no,
we'll have like and I had this whole conversation with them.
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I was like, I'm going to be late for this
mastering me like no, we we're gonna do this and
this and this, and I know how like she would
look beautiful in this. So I sit down and she
gives me this attitude la it I did. I was
like like at least like anyways, she snapped like she
said something really annoying, and I was like, you're a
(20:11):
bit like. I was like, and she oh my god.
It was like she everybody kind of went like oh uh.
First of all, like I'm sorry, Okay, I shouldn't we
have already. I know, I know we were just we
had a lot of high energies. Out of the room,
she threw the mic sort of stone out like I
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ran up. I was like, okay, what do I do? Shoot?
So I ran on the street. I stopped for the
cameras followed that like some babe, we are in it together,
let's do the job, let's just dance, let's just and
they've never actually they showed a little bit of it,
but they've never actually showed the whole thing. Yeah, I
mean they showed, and I was I was glad they
(20:56):
didn't show mad at me, you know, And I have
to apologize to because I I had so much going
on with like my ext just coming back from rehab
and like, you know, the baby and the stress and
the show and like. And then I think when when
you called me that, I was just like no, no,
like and then and I wanted to win two. I
wanted to make you happy, and I wanted you know,
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I wanted all of that. So it was I think
it was just we were just when you spend that
much intimate time with someone and work and there's so
many emotions, and then on top of it, like you
had your family stuff going on. I had my family stuff,
and it's just it's a lot, you know. But I
would I would do it again, minus the bitch com
I would do it again. I would do it all
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again over. I really would. It was it was. It
was a good time, who is your least favorite partner?
Can you tell me it's only just us three? Well,
here's the thing, I don't have like a least favorite partner.
There's always comes like I love everybody, you know, I'm
thinking pretty much staying in touch with everybody. But when
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it comes to dancing, like if you can say, if
you can tell me who like probably was like the
least experience dancer and like with a lot of challenges
that obstacle that came my way, I would probably say
Nikki Glazer. She's so cool though, and I love that
y'all just like went out, you know what I mean.
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He cares about dancing. So I would be like, if
I would have to choose between this and this, I
would take definitely Nicki, you know what I mean, Like
a I don't want to manage that other people's names.
But do you have like a celebrity that if you
could just pick someone to be your partner? Well, I
don't know, help me out, let's brainstorm. Let's right now,
(22:47):
you don't have like a dream person that would be
like the ultimate dance partner. Honestly, no, I don't. I
don't know, because well we'll figure that out. For you.
It really depends you can be here's the thing, Like
you can be an amazing dancer where you can be
very like flat of no personality, you know what I mean.
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You can have a huge personality and really dancer. You
can be kind of like, you know, dancer but teachable
and likable and famous with great personality that you know.
So it's like a balance of everything. So the perfect
personally who can win? Got it. It's funny that, like
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every time Glob gets a new partner, I secretly get
like kind of jealous because I'm like, because it's such
a fun experience, Like even through all the ups and
downs we had, like it was still such a fun
experience and like to be able to do something that
was so out of my comfort zone. But yeah, I
do I always get a little like, uh, like because
I'm like, I want to go back and do it. Um.
(23:51):
But I will say, you know, throughout the years, you know,
we haven't stayed in like in touch a lot, but
I will say I I greatly appreciated, Um, you reached
out to me when you heard about my break or
my my breakup, and it's just like you've been You've
been so sweet and kind like through through it and
(24:13):
because you know you've walked the same path, and I
just I really appreciate you reaching out and you know,
just kind of helping me, um with with you know, questions,
because I was asking him one time, like how do
you do it? Like how do you like? How do
you co parent? Like when you're angry? And how do
you like because you're you're going through that. So I
just appreciate all the support that you've you've shown me. Yeah,
(24:36):
it's life. You know, life happens, and we just keep moving.
You know, you gotta keep moving. You just gotta do
what's best for you. Um. You know, in my situation,
we I love Elaine, I respect I have huge respect
to her. Um. Of course she's the mother of my kids,
you know what I mean. So, UM, it's hard at
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times because you know, no one's perfect and there's always
but you have to communicate. There's a conversation, you know. Um,
when it's in the early stage, I feel like it's
really hard to do because you can't really stand each other,
you know what I mean. You're like, I don't want
to see your ass at all. But because you have kids,
and like you know, we we just decided that we're
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not going to speak about like anything, nothing negative in
front of the kids. You know, regardless of what's going on.
We can have an appointment with a lawyer and the
mediator and have a huge, massive fight in the morning,
But when we're together with kids, like you know, I
pick up a living from school and I take her
to a dance studio, and I see her in a
(25:44):
dance studio, we're cool, you know what I mean. We laugh,
like I get her flowers from Mother's Day things like that,
you know what I mean That I want to show
my girls that how that should treat their mom, which
is really important to me, you know, because they should
know that how they should be treated in the future,
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you know what I'm saying. Like, so that's important and
everything else. You know, it is what it is. Do
you feel that you're kind of on the other side
of it now, Like do you are you Are you happier?
Do you feel lighter? Like do you feel like you
made the right choice? I mean, here's the thing, Um,
(26:31):
it's not about making the right choice, do you know
what I mean? It just it just happens. Whatever supposed
to happen happens. So It's not like, you know, like
one day you wake up and you're like, Okay, I
don't want to be with this person anymore. That's it, right,
It's kind of like it gradually. It's it's you know,
a long time coming, you know. So there's like a
(26:52):
lot of issues that we were going through try to
make it work. There's several times like broke up and
live separately for a little bit and tried to make
it work. I tried my best to make it work.
She tried for best to make it work. There are
certain things like when they're like I don't know, like
when the energy is not there, there's no there's really
nothing really just kids holding you together. So that's that
(27:18):
becomes the end. I'm curious to like on dating, because
you know, it looked like you had moved on quite
(27:40):
fast after the breakup, you know, and we were just
having this conversation where it's like she asked me, like
when would I want to start dating? By the way, no,
I know, not now, but like you you know, use
some girl went to Camba with you and like you
were guys were like, you know whatever, and so Katherine
was asking, She's like, when are you going to start
doing and I'm like, I feel like there's this like
(28:02):
timeline that like we're supposed to you know, not move
fast into relationship or not you know, go to the
next one. But at the same time, it's like if
you meet someone, then it's like why would why would
I push out a beautiful person in my life just
because the timeline says that I should probably take more
time or that I shouldn't move too faster. Where where
like your thoughts on dating and kind of moving on? Um,
(28:27):
how was Miami? By the way, it was so fun.
Nothing happened, but it was so fun. So I mean
that's listen, here's the thing. You see, Like you went
to Miami, you took your time just for yourself to
enjoy your friends, with your girls, have fun, like sometimes
you even need to date anyone and just have a
(28:48):
good time. It's all about the energy surrounding yourself with
the people you want to be with, you know, and
having that like recharge yourself, like find yourself back, like
have that you know, wake up in the morning and
be excited about life, you know, and have your way
of doing things, not like you know, someone tells you
(29:09):
that you have to do this and Okay, of fine,
because you don't want to make this person upset or something,
you know what I mean. Um, dating if it comes,
it comes, if it's not like it's not so it's
not like you wanna go and like, oh now I
need to date. No, you know, you just I don't know,
Like I don't have we actually thought of it. Um,
(29:29):
the cowboy thing, Um, it was just a good times
a little bit. And you know, well listen, here's the thing.
I tell you this. When you're married for fifteen years,
and you were married for fifteen years, I was married
for fifteen years, there's a lot of spouses support right there. Yeah,
(29:56):
well you know it. Come on, we're like man to
man speaking like, Yeah, that one's I'm not ready to
talk about that one. And I'm still it's a little
bitter about that one. Yeah, but anyway, so listen, cowboys beautiful.
But I want to go to Tuloom next time. I've
never been to Tuloom. Let's go. That's friends, friends, like true,
(30:22):
they just took that one and ran with it, levenge
and and go to because I had so we just
but I mean, listen, what's wrong with that? Friends? Yeah,
we've danced on the show for four months. We've stayed
in touch, like what's right, Like when you're in the
l A, let's go to dinner, And I would love
to go to dinner. Yeah, no, I would love to.
(30:43):
I'm going to be there like a week or so,
so yeah, I would love to see you. And you know,
I'm curious to, um, what are you? Like, what are
you doing now? So that the show starts in fall
right this year? Yeah? Okay, so and are you for
sure going back? Well I wish I want to, of course,
(31:04):
but we don't know until the very last moment, you
know how they pick up grows until like literally two
days before we have to start rehearsals, like we have
no idea who we're going to be dancing with, and
like our partners will all get stressed and excited. Yeah.
So yeah, I'm excited for it. It's an anniversary season
season thirty. Oh that sounds fussy. They should have done
(31:28):
like a like an All Star for thirty. Well here's
the thing. If you go back in the All Stars,
like they will never pairs together. Why I don't know,
because they like to switch it up. See I would
think people would want to watch. Yeah, the same people
be partners again. That's why I would watch. I mean,
we would definitely kill it, like it would be so good.
(31:50):
What's so, what are you doing then? So if you
might do the show, obviously you will because you're They
would be stupid if they didn't have you back on.
But what what else are you doing? Like are you
still teaching dancing or I mean this whole COVID thing
really kind of kill the vibe. With tour, we didn't
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have tours, so we did last season, um with no audience.
We had to take COVID test every single day, literally
every single day, no Saturday, Sunday. Um, and we're supposed
to go in through. We usually after the season we'll
go on tour for about three and a half months
and um, this time we didn't go. So I start,
I had to do something, you know, I gotta hustle.
I still gotta you know, dance and teach and you know, perform.
(32:34):
So Um, I've been teaching a lot of online lessons. Um,
I'm teaching. There's new really cool spot in Malibu called
Roughs Lounge. I'm doing every Saturday saws the classes there,
which is still fine. There's a lot of people, Um,
and it's just survive. You know. It's a cool vibe.
(32:55):
It's outside, it's right looking over the ocean, right across
from Nobu. Just it's super like I really enjoy it. Um,
So when you're in the LA, we should do that. Yeah,
I should do that in l A. That would be
so fun, actually said Saturday's Saturdays. Yeah, you can give
(33:18):
us all the lessons you can. I have a private
lesson private tonight. But looking over the beach. Please yeah,
I'm not sure after being spoused to support, you'll do that. Yeah,
(33:39):
I'll for free for you all do for free. It
would just be fun to like dance again, you know,
like I it's a good workout like that would just
be that would be really cool because I I really
did enjoy it. If there's one thing that you've learned
throughout your divorce, everything with the kids and justum, Elena,
what's what's one thing that like you want to do
(34:00):
better at and as a person for the next time
the next go around. Uh, listen, the thing is my
kids out priority for me. They're everything, you know. I
feel like, Um, when I worked and there was in
the season and I was doing tour, we lived together,
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we always had like live in nanny with us, and
you know, her mom would come in out. I would
spend less time with kids, and then I spend now
and we're splitting custody with her, so there are five
days with me and five days with her. Um. I
would want to be more present for them, you know
what I mean, just be even though I was present,
but I would love still too obviously, like besides work,
(34:46):
like do fun stuff with them more so instead of
like just you know, nanny's taking care of them, like
I would do it myself even though I did it.
I don't know what I'm saying this, Like I just
like it's good, it's enough, but up, I wish I
could do more. It's just like it's always not enough
when I like with with my girls, like I feel
like I want to be with them a little bit more,
(35:07):
you know. No, that makes sense for sure, but you're
also providing for them too, So it's that balance you
have to walk, which also like I would take And
here's the thing that I think this is really important.
I would take more holidays together, you know, even without kids,
just you know, with like like I don't know, like
(35:28):
l A and like if I if I speak back right,
Like with her, I would go more like just take
our time together, like go to like romantic dinners and
like go um, you know, holidays, just two of us,
do something fun stuff like do like some crazy activities
like go and take a road trip, just two of us.
You know, if you have a chance to have kids
(35:48):
with someone and they you know they've been looked after,
like do stuff fun stuff for for yourself because sometimes
like you get caught up and work so much and
you don't spend time together and you kind of stop
losing that you know that's fun, Like you still have
to have fun together. Yeah, this is I don't know
why I started thinking about this when you were talking.
(36:09):
But for your next relationship, next serious relationship, would you
are you done having kids or would you have more?
I would have more? You would, yeah, because I was
because I was talking with the girls and they were like,
I'm like, well what if you know, and They're like, well,
what if do you want more kids? And I'm like,
(36:30):
oh my god, I've just never like I've never had
to think of that conversation or have that Like I
never thought I would have to have that conversation again.
So I mean obviously I'm not kids. I don't know,
Like I don't. I'm old, I'm having miscarriages, you know,
Like I don't, but you know, like I know, we
talked about this last week, but I just I don't know.
(36:52):
I just I don't think. I don't. I don't know.
Maybe if I met the one and you know, but again,
I'm mean to have a kid. I mean I feel
like it's I mean, it's not easy, but it's kind
of easy, right, But to actually be with the you know,
with the kid and be a good parent and like
(37:14):
commit and like you know, just spend all of your
time with that person. Just it's really important to me,
you know, So like if I wouldn't be able to
do that, like if I'm working and I'm like busy,
Like what's the point of it, you know what I mean?
I really want to experience that. I really want to
enjoy that moment. I think that's important for sure. If
there's anything I was one thing that I would love
(37:35):
to experience is like I've never been able to like
whenever I found out I was pregnant, there was always
like something happening or like in my relationship. So it
would be nice to experience it in a healthy and
happy way and like celebrate it and not be like,
oh my god, you know, like because I was happy,
but like there was always something behind the scenes that
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I didn't know about or I had just found out about.
So it would it would be nice to not have
any of that energy and just be like we're pregnant,
like like what you're supposed to feel, you know. So
I think that would be the only thing. How are
you feeling? Like goes in waves, you know, Like I'm
I'm the only thing that gets me is like the
(38:18):
other night, I was super overwhelmed. I don't have any help.
Um uh, And you know, the kids only go to
school twice a week, so the other days I'm in
Jason's only half days. So it's just it's hard, and
you know, there's I had a I had a partner
in this before, and so one of the days, it
was just a really really really hard day. The kids
were just being difficult and I had a lot of
(38:39):
work to do and I only have like a few
hours during that time to get that work done. And
at the end of the day, I just started crying
because I'm like, I didn't ask to do this alone.
You know, like I I wanted my husband. I wanted
my partner to do this with me like this, this
doesn't feel good to like feel this frustrated and you know,
have so much mean, you should see my house. It's
like it's a mess and it's but it's like I'm
(39:00):
I only have so much time, and it's I just
feel like I'm kind of like depleted a little bit,
and I need to ask for help and and you know,
do that, but it's it's hard, and I get upset
because again it's like I didn't want to do this alone,
Like this isn't what I wanted. I didn't want to
be a single mom, you know. But it's not that
I miss him because I'm very happy. I'm like how
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you guys co parenting, I'm trying to keep the distance
because I just think it's better for us with less communication,
So putting the kids first and trying to keep because
you know, like you said in the very beginning, there's
a lot of emotions and it's very hard to uh
(39:45):
be the bigger person when the person that hurt you
is not nice. So I just now know what I
need to do now and just I'm just distancing myself
and you know, we're I'm doing I'm I'm doing my
partner being nice and that's all I can control. And
I'm just less communication than better right now, right, Yeah,
(40:07):
but it sucks, you know, but hopefully one day when
all the emotions wear off and you know, we can
be friendly. Right But because I wish, Like I look
at some couples and I'm like, they're like going on
vacation together. I don't. I don't want that, but like,
but at the same time, that's kind of cool. You know,
maybe who knows, Like, let's try to be adults and
(40:29):
just get along. Yeah, you know, I love I should
take some time probably right, But I appreciate your friendship.
I appreciate you, and um, I'm excited to see you
in l A for a little tango and lunching lunch.
I'm down for it. Thank you for coming on wind Down.
Where can our listeners find you? Um, you guys can
(40:53):
find me on Instagram, Glibs of Chink Official, g l
eb suf Chin. You can find me on Twitter, um
gleab underscores Uchenko and where else you can find me. Malibu.
What's the Malibu classes? Yeah, you can find me Malibu
Roughs Lounge just Rops Lounge, right across from Noble every
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Saturday at the eleven the m I love it. Okay,
thank you, I will one of the weekends I'm not
with the kids. I'll come okay, okay, so much love
to you, and um, I'll see you at the All
Stars Okay by glob h. We're friends again. I know,
we've been friends for all He's so sweet. It's just yeah,
(41:41):
he's he's a sweetheart. It's so crazy. They're like, how
our lives are changing around the same time. How long
has it been for him? Probably like six months? Maybe, yeah,
it was when it was when the Last Dancing Stars
Chris was his partner, and then they're the whole headlines
about them. But there's a couple of months ahead of you, okay,
(42:03):
a couple of months ahead, which it really didn't mean
a lot when he reached out, because yeah, it's I
will say. There's one person, a freend. Well, she was
actually a really good friend. We're not really friends anymore.
Actually haven't talked at all. But you realize who your
friends are when you go through that. Because I didn't
hear one word from that friend that still blows my mind.
(42:23):
Not one word, like I heard from people that don't
even know you, just checking on you. Yeah, like every
and even like Taryn, my hair makeup lady, like she
was like I had friends texting me. I know, so
I know she knows, like she's in the industry. She knows,
but it's like, how like yeah, so that that kind
of hurts my feelings. And I've yet too, because at
(42:45):
this point I'm like, I don't need like it doesn't
make sense. It's still hurtful. It's hurtful. Yeah, it's definitely
hurtful because I would reach out and it's like a
good gleb and I aren't like besties, but like, you know,
he reached out. Like it's just so many people reach out.
Nice to know that people care, and then you realize
that people that don't really care, well you're better off.
(43:09):
Well that was a really good episode. Thanks Catherine for
coming on and reminiscing about the bedroom scene. Oh my gosh,
so many memories from that time. Oh that was fun.
That was really fun. I'm gonna try to post some
old videos from Dancing with the Stars because yeah, you know,
like I don't know, I miss it so that'll be like,
(43:31):
I'll put some stuff on my page, um um, and
we should go to Tuloom just like a big fun everybody.
Let's all go, let's all go, book your tickets. Wind
down crew, See you guys next week
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