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October 7, 2019 57 min

Jana and Mike sit down with Catherine Oxenberg.   Catherine's daughter was a victim of the NXIVM sex cult. We hear her powerful story of how she helped her daughter out of the darkness and the work she’s doing to stop it all from happening again.

Jana and Mike are experiencing turmoil in their marriage in one of the most raw and honest conversations they’ve ever had.  The complexities of the relationship are revealed and the pain is palpable.  

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