Little Whine, Big Podcast with Jeremy & Audrey Roloff

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Jana Kramer and I'm Heart Radio podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Guys our nanny quit? Yeah, oh wait are we do? Well?

Speaker 3 (00:16):
This is really funny and this isn't a spot. I
don't even know if this is a spot, but so
I've been using care dot com. So on the way here,
we'll seeing we're trying to find a nanny here, which
ended up finding one here for the short term time
that we're in Los Angeles, but we're also looking for
a nanny in Nashville. And I just don't understand some
of these girls that post pictures on care dot com

(00:38):
because I'm like, don't you know the females hiring. It's
like he's I'm laughing in the car and he's like,
why are you laughing? I said, because I don't understand
some of these girls' profile pictures because the wives are hiring,
Like I don't. I don't see a guy going on
care dot com and going through the nannies. And maybe
they do, and that's that's awesome, but you know, I
personally am doing it and I'm laughing because this one

(01:00):
photo is like, Hi, I'm twenty two years old and
I have pricky boobs, Like don't don't post the perky
boob photo like you're not gonna be hired. I'm not
hiring you. So I just said no, thanks. I mean,
and I'm not saying post an ugly photo. I'm just saying,
don't post if you're if you're young, if you're younger
than like twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I don't know, dress for the part.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Dress for the part.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
You should dress for the part.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
So to the girls out there that are on care
dot com, I wouldn't put your Instagram.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Right the same profile picture as your Instagram as your
care dot com picture.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, because I'm like, no, I'm not going to hire you. Sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Not that I don't trust my husband, not that I
don't trust you, know whatever. I just I well, I'll
say this. I just think it's not smart for I mean,
you look at some of these nannies and I'm like, well, you.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Kind of ask for it. She's kind of hot, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
You're in close quarters, right, not saying that Ben Affleck
was wrong, but you look at the nanny and I'm like, well,
she's really cute.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Playing with fire.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
You're playing with fire.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
I think the same thing goes for like assistants or
old friend of ours in Nashville, Like his assistant was
a beautiful young woman and he ended up getting he
had he had a beautiful wife and like three kids.
And and even with the first time we met that her, oh,
I was like, everyone, we're with Jane and her band
and we're all just kind of like, that's probably not

(02:20):
a good idea.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
And if you're trying to diet, don't bring a chocolate
cake into the house, right, And here's the deal.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
And I want to say this because I know Brittany
are one of our former nannies listens to the show.
It's not that Brittany wasn't cute, because I think Brittany,
you're you're you're so cute. But there's a different thing
that women, girls put off. Like I mean Brittany was like,
how would you describe Brittany. I mean, she's so cute,
but she doesn't put off the no.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I mean britt.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Brett, I mean she's one of us that like she
was part of the family, Like she's one of the guys,
like her hanging She's.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Like one of the guys totally, but not in a
way where I feel like some of the girls, maybe
some of those nannies like the ben AFFLECKX and the
Gavin Rossdell's nannies. They put off more of a sexier vibe.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Why bother? Yeah, why why even put that temptation out there?

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Right?

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Focus on each other.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
And Alice from Brady Bunch vibe?

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Right, Yeah, So, I mean I'm going for the more
one hundred percent. I love that you had to reference
a photo like I. I did watch The Brady Bunch heytimes.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
It works it right, you're.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Very young and does references.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Would you ever would you ever hire a manny?

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Well, I asked you about that one guy. I said,
what about this guy Tipathy?

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yeah, well he also looked like he he has some issues.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
But well, I would hire a guy I would hire.
I would probably, I'd be honestly, I'd I'd rather hire
a gay man over a straight man for sure. Not
saying that I would be tempted.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
But no, I and that's not that wouldn't even be
my reason for not hiring a guy. It wouldn't be that.
It's just I think there's still something there's just some
jobs in this world that are just women are better
suited for. No, I'm no, I'm not saying it's from
a biological standpoint of women are naturally more nurturing.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Agreed.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Yeah, so it's just a softer approach, you know, more
much like it's just it's just your human nature. So
I just feel like it's a safer bet over and
I feel like when it comes to that stuff, women
are able to You're able to kind of feel their
energy right easier than your men.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
It's funny though, I was starting to read reviews though
about some of the girls because I've narrowed it down
to a couple of girls in Nashville, and they're all
once a little young, I really want to go older
I like or I like the fifty year between forty
and fifty. I like that range because they're not they
don't care about Instagram, they don't care like this is
their job, they're not looking to.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Just they don't have a lot of social plans.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
And also they've probably raised their own kids a lot
of exactly, So I mean I lean towards that. But
then I also like, again, I like the way Brittany
was like, let's go to the zoo and let's do this,
and I'm like, you have so much more energy than me,
which I like in a younger person, because I see
that a lot of younger people do that.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
But here's the answering.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
You can count younger people. You can got to like workhorse.
You can kind of work them a little bit more,
you know what I mean. They're not jade. You gotta
work them. They got to earn their stripes.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
But so I was reading some of the reviews and
some of the girls, and this one girl which I
liked and then ended up saying no to. One of
the reviews said that she was she was playing the
parents against each other and ended up listen to this
like no joke on care they were she was playing
them against each other, and now they like so much

(05:35):
so that they're divorced and they her whole intent was
to get into the father's life. Like she was so
manipulative that she made the guy think that his wife
was crazy and then they ended up like cooking up
this is a review.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
A review wrote the review the wife.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Oh my god, Yeah, I was reading this like this
is some juicy stuff on care dot com.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
I mean two stars because she did great laundry.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
She actually only had one because I was like, why
did she have one star? This isn't good? And then
I said nope, no, thanks, don't need you in the house.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
I will say around that, though, I think for that
to happen, the husband and wife clearly didn't have very
good communication. Yeah, because I feel like if someone like
we hired somebody and they try to do that with us,
we'd come to each other. They'd be like, hey, so
and so I was saying you said this, or you're
doing this this way, and you'd be like, what, No,
I don't we know how we're doing No, I didn't
do that. Yeah, and we'd be like okay, like we

(06:32):
we'd smell blood in the water, like pretty quick back,
all right, this isn't.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
I would hope.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
So we would because we talk about I'm just having.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
A lot of anxiety because we have a lot of
trips coming up. We're going to Scotland, we have our
podcast tour, which by the way, is in May, so
you guys get your tickets Boston, Virginia, and New York.
But I'm scared because we have this new nanny coming
in and I've just heard all the horror stories and
I'm she seems great.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
I really like her energy.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
She has two she's from Greece, she's you know, she's
in her fifties, I think, but I'm still so scared.
I see those things on the news and I don't
I'm just scared, Like, what if she's crazy, what if
she just hurts our children. I'm like, I'm genuinely having anxiety.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Will have it in any camra, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Yep, we're getting more.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
So we just we bought we bought five cameras.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
There's this new system called Blink. Have you ever heard
of it? It works with Alexa. But there's these little
small cameras. So we're gonna put them in the kids rooms,
which we already have cameras anyways, but I just want
them more around the house. But even so, if something
were to happen we're not.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
There, are they hidden cameras here.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
She'll know, she'll know she's on camera.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
We're gonna have it so because before we just had
one in Joe Jason's room, but now we're gonna have
one in the living room so you can see the
whole the kitchen, you can see the living room. We're
going to have one another one in Jay's room so
we can see it all on the same device.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
So yeah, we're gonna have it all over.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
What if something were to happen and we're not there,
we're in freaking Boston doing wine down, or we're in Scotland,
how do you I mean, you just call the police.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
I think. I mean, because this is going to be
a new nanny, I think it'd be smart to maybe
have Julie or somebody to stop by every now and then. Yeah,
it's be like, hey, you know our new nanny's name,
Be like, hey, you know, Julie's gonna stop by, just
you know, a familiar face. The other kids are doing
chicken on things.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
It's just weird because when Jolie was little, I traveled
with her everywhere. I mean, she's she went everywhere since
she was six weeks old. She was on a bus
with me. We flew went everywhere together. So I feel
like this is kind of the first time we're having
to have this situation when we're not actually with the kids.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Why not, because you're working so much when you're when
you're we.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Can't bring him to Scotland.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
So because it's I mean with a baby and Jolie,
I mean, the flights.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Were already just because we have a two kids.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Now it's when it was it was easier, it.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Was easy, and we didn't have to buy her a seat.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yet and if we were because we're technically still in
l so the podcast tours in May, so again it'd
be flying a lot of flights and that's just a
lot for two kids. So and then on top of
the having to have someone to help us watch the
kids when we're wanting down on stage. So I mean, look,
it's all champagne problems, but I think just some having

(09:16):
I'm very interested to hear some nanny story. So email
in Jana Kramer at iHeartMedia dot com or.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
Do you really want to hear those?

Speaker 3 (09:24):
I do because I want to know what I have
to be fearful of. And maybe I may be moms
too that this.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
Is only going to fuel your imagination.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
My imagination is so aft anyways. I mean, the things
I think about in movie wise in my head is
just stupid.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
So this is an issue today, is that between basically
it's the internet, I think, but between local news and
the internet and the movies, we watch every possible bad thing.
Every time one of my daughters is like, I remember
this time she went around the block to walk her
friend home. I could almost see her the whole time,
but I I had to follow. She didn't want me to. No,

(10:02):
I was just gonna take her. So I would hide
behind trees, following her because as soon as she's out
of my side, I think a JC do guard? Remember
Jac Guard?

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Maybe she was walking to school when.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
She was ten years old and lived in a shed
for the next twenty years, having the baby of our
cap that was the room. The room was based on
I think based on that idea, but it's the same.
I was working at a news station when that went down,
so I had to write a whole bunch of stories.
And I know way too much about that story, and
it haunts me. But the question I always ask is,
fifty years ago to thirty years ago, was the world

(10:34):
just as dangerous as it is now we didn't have
the internet to know about it? Or has the world
actually gotten more dangerous since then. I don't think we
know the answer.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
I think what a great question. I think the world's
gotten more dangerous because of the exposure to everything.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Are we fueling it?

Speaker 3 (10:51):
That was my question too, you know, are we fueling
that badness in this world?

Speaker 4 (11:01):
Instant gratification doesn't help when people want things, you know
what I mean, there's no I feel like.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
To feed the almost like that. What's the adrenaline rush
to be evil?

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I guess people have that.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
It's I mean, and it doesn't help too that we
live in La County and every night on the news
it's like watching a movie. It is like it is,
it's ridiculous. We've had to turn the news off because
we're like, we don't even want Jolie seeing another police chase,
another ridiculous car accent, another shooting another day. I mean,
it's it's literally like watching a movie every night on
the news.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah, it's it's it is scary though, And to your point,
Mark what you said, we are Our entire back yard
is fenced in, I mean tall, tall, tall fences. But
sometimes when I'm in the kitchen, because the kids will
go out and play, like when she has camped in over,
they'll go out and play in the backyard. Sometimes I'm like,
I feel like I have to be up at twenty
four to seven because what if someone hops over the fence,
even though it's a very hard fence to hop over,

(11:55):
because it's I mean, how tall is the fence.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
It's like ten eight ten feet eight feet.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
But still I'm like, we're in la Like someone could
easily hop over the fence somehow get the kids, and
then you know, she's JC.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
We had the same rules. We had the same you
cannot play in the front yard period. Okay, only play
in the backyard, and we'd be out there if they
were playing in the backyard, we would just sit and
watch them, because we're that paranoid. But that's the helicopter
parenting and the lawnmower parenting that they call it. That
that is affecting this next generation. And it's because mostly
of our paranoia. Because when we were kids, we got
to play outside, front yard, backyard, neighbor's house.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
We'd roger home.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Exactly, and we were fine. And I maintained I can't
believe that there are more kidnapping child molesters in twenty
nineteen than there were in nineteen eighty nine and seventy
nine sixty nine. I can't believe that that's changed that
much unless it's all copycats and people getting ideas from
the internet. But I think it's got to be the same.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
I mean, it'd be interesting to talk to a law
enforcement on that, just to ask their question because well
unless there wasn't booked then so maybe things people I.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
Think I think too, just a general psychologist on the
mindset of you know, evolution of humans over the last
fifty years, like you said, and I mean, shoot, I remember,
you know my dad would tell me, you know, he
went to James Madison like I did. He would have
hitchhike if you wanted to go home for the weekend,
literally just hitchhike. It's that's unheard of today. That won't happen,
you know, because you can't trust anybody, it's ready nobody.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
But back then you are you going to be more trusting.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
And so when we move back to Nashville, which by
the way, our house is delayed. That was this funny
meal to get from the builder. So we're going to
be living out of an RV in the summer literally,
like you're laughing, But this isn't even a joke. We
are one hundred percent grizzwolding it. You know, there's there's
a zero joke to that. Like I mean, we we are.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
We have an airbnb, we have our final move date
out of la and we were supposed to move straight
from here into our house, but instead we are going
to an airbnb for a month, and then we're getting
an RV and we're going up to Michigan for fourth
of July and then after that we're going to RV
until our house is ready because it is just too expensive.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Come home, baby.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
So I don't know where we're going to be, but
just wave to us on the rest.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Me wish is your kids were older, because what a
memorable summer that would be.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
It would be super cool if the kids were a
little older, it would be really cool.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
But wow, us two dogs and tags.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
And see where we end up.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Oh my god, I'm so stressed.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
But what are we going to say? Do I feel
more comfortable?

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Oh? Yeah, so in Nashville. I mean we're going to
have a fence backyard. But are you going to be
more comfortable because we're in Nashville. Yeah, but they're still
crazies everywhere for sure.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
But it's a numbers game. I mean we don't have Yeah,
it's a numbers game. Think how populated La County is.
All the mess that's going around here and homeless people
that are walking in front of our house, yeah that's
on our block. That happens because we're in La No
matter where you live. Yeah, so in Nashville, we're not
gonna have homeless people in our suburban neighborhood thirty minutes

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outside of downtown Nashville.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
You are people less crime, right, And I'm sure you
did the homework on your neighborhood. I'm sure it's a
nice crime, low crime neighborhood.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
It's going to be it's gonna be great. But like
you said, anything can happen. So I still to Mark's point,
I mean, i'd see why helicopter parenting is a thing
because no one you just you want to protect your kids.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
I think Paris back then were just ignorant of the world.
They didn't have the twenty four to seven news cycle
that they have now, and people had to find out
the hard way the evil that's out there.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Right Well, to brighten things up a little bit, we
have some really cool guests and actually I just got
up to date about the whole fire festival.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Did you Mark Easton? Have you guys watched Fire Festival?

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Okay, so I just watched this morning. So we have
Seth was it crossnow? He was an attendee and then
his lawyer, Stacy Miller. They're going to be in studio.
So I have so many questions about it.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Did you watch the Netflix of the Hulu netfor one?

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Was it the Netflix?

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah? I watched that one too.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
I love it was the difference of the Hulu.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
I don't see the Hulu one.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
I didn't either, but they're similar. I mean there's similar ideas,
some of the same people. But I mean I don't
know the Oh you know, I just watched the Hulu one.

Speaker 6 (16:04):
Oh, the Hulu had an interview with Billy McFarlane. Interesting, yes,
but he and then Netflix didn't because.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
For after prison or his sentence before.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
So he was like about to go in.

Speaker 6 (16:16):
He wanted a bunch of money for the interview, so
of course, yeah, so Netflix was like, we don't want
to pay that.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
He was like, let's have it. I thought it was fascinating.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
He's not in jail right.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
He's in jail right now, isn't he He is?

Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Yeah, I think he's currently incarcerated.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
I wasn't sure if he got on on bail or
anything like that. But then okay, so we have the
fire festival attendee and lawyer and then the rollofs are
in studio.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Who I just I love them.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
So they're so sweet, So it's gonna be a fun
Show's excited, okay, So catching up real fast. He Billy
is His name's Bill, right, Bill Billy mcfroll. He is
in prison.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yes, he's currently incarcerated in or in count of New York.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Whatever happened with Felicity and Andy.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
And Becky, it's changing by the day. So as of today,
which is around noon on Tuesday the ninth, yesterday, Felicity
have been pled guilty. The reason she did that was
to minimize her sentence, but the prosecutors are only accepting
pleas that include prison time what so the minimum would
be four months. Her lawyers are going to fight for zero,

(17:25):
of course, but it looks like four months now. Laura
Locklin's in the whole different situation.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Hers was twice five.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Hundred grand as opposed to fifteen grand, and I guess
that's a major difference between the two. So she's looking
at two years if she please or pleads pleads out
accept a plea bargain, she's looking at two years minimum.
If she does it and fights it, it could be a
lot more than that. And today she was a charge.
She was charged with additional counts, which to me makes

(17:53):
me wonder did she not accept the place so, because
the danger was if you don't accept the plea, there's
more charges coming. So I wonder if she didn't accept
the plea because now she's charged with conspiracy to commit
money laundering what on top of everything else.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
And that's the thing. If you don't accept the plea,
it's not like you can try to fight it. Realize
you're not going to win these more tragic charges at on. Oh,
let me go back to that original no no, that
deal came and went, sweetheart, you gotta do you know more?

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Now this one carries a maximum sentence, a maximum of
twenty years in prison.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
What do you really think they should be going to
jail for this? Like you're in your honest, like gut
in heart of hearts, do you think that they should
be going to jail for this or should they just pay?

Speaker 1 (18:38):
It's a tough one because if other people go to
jail for this, they should go to jail for this.
There shouldn't be some sort of celebrity or rich people
or whatever like that. They shouldn't be able to pay
their way out of jail. On the other hand, when
you think of the crimes that really are committed that
require incarceration, this seems low on that totem pole. I
understand that they kept other kids out of college, but
they didn't kill anybody, they didn't hurt anybody. They didn't,

(18:59):
you know, so that's an interesting thing.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
I mean, there are a lot of people that are
getting released from jail because of overcrowding, So people that
have committed serious crimes, like serious serious?

Speaker 4 (19:10):
Is it bad that I have I don't know if
this is even an old fashioned mindset, but this is
just it might be backlatched on this. But my opinion
with the whole prison system, depending on your crime.

Speaker 7 (19:21):
If you.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
If it has anything to do with children, molestation, abuse,
you're dead, kidnapping, murder, anything like that with children, You're
going take you out back like death penalty definitely, yeah,
but not even death like shoot them. Not even death
penalty because that could be twenty years you're on death
row or something true, like.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
Like instant capital punishment.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
What if people look, I think that's anything with kids
and any of that stuff. I think it's so heinous.
But what if someone does, can someone change from that?
Like I mean, trust me, if it's my kid I
would want. I'll take him out back, I'll kill him.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
That's the interesting thing about the death penalties. People who
like I consider myself anti death penalty because so many
there's so many wrongful convictions as the long process of
the victiary.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Right.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
But if it was my kid, yes, I'm in favor
of capital punishment. So it's a tough you're kind of
torn on that. But if it's cut and dried, I
have no issue with that.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
Yeah, I mean, if it's if it's clear as day
and there's no question behind.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Me, and what if they're young and under a lot
of drugs.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
And obviously there's still there's still very equation. I don't
I don't know what those are, right, didn't think of
them all about. But all I'm saying is there's I
feel like there should be some crimes in this country that, yeah,
like you said, depending on this variables, age, situation, under
the influence or not on the under the influence, his
history of crime, whatever it may be. Some things I

(20:56):
just think people don't deserve no chance.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Well, let me ask you, the Devil's advocate. Yeah, couldn't
you argue that every crime of that magnitude murder child molestation,
that sort of thing. There is a story there's all,
whether it's abuse as a child, psychological problems, mental problems.
You could argue that anyone who commits a crime like that,
there's always a story that could sway the opinion of

(21:22):
saying they.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Didn't have the help of therapy to help them because
they were because of their Yeah, I mean, freaking look
at what's his face that he was, the the kid
in jail that oh, come on that documentary that was
like ever to make a murder, making a murder, making
a murder, the the the cousin or the brother or
the he was so he wasn't mental.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
He didn't even know words properly spectrum.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
Yeah, so I mean, like, I.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Mean, he could have been so easy like okay, okay
somebody because I don't know, because you said to all
kill somebody like he did. He wasn't smart, you know.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Is there evil or is there always a reason?

Speaker 4 (21:57):
And that and that's that's to your point. I unders
I understand that you could go back on everybody and
there's some kind of story, but I truly feel that
they are evil to do some of these things. You
are evil. Ted Bundy is an evil person stuff like that.
You are an evil, evil, evil person. Regardless of what's
happened to you in your life, you are evil. So

(22:19):
I just feel people that are, you know, in that category.
It's just like, why waste our tax dollars in people's
time to sit on death rover for twenty however, you know,
twenty plus years whatever the average is. I don't even
know what the average is to sit there.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
So do you think they should take felicity and an't
becky up back?

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Oh that's how we got into this heinous prime did.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
I'm just curious, like, what do you think that like
they should serve?

Speaker 4 (22:44):
I just think that's you know, take it in, you know,
in perspective, like you said, like, all right, were there
any tax fraud?

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Potentially yes, because they wrote it off as a charitable donation.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
Because that kind then yeah, people that if it comes
down to that, it's like, hey, I mean the laws
of law.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Look, if they're putting away non wealthy families for crimes
like this, then you gotta I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
What I don't agree with is making a Well, they
are celebrities, so we have to prove.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
A point, right. I don't like that make an example,
make an.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Example, right, But I think if you do it with
everyone else.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Then do it.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
I think that's a great point by you, because that's
probably why the prosecutors their plea deals all include jail time, right,
because they it's like almost they have to, like they
look terrible if they don't. Yeah, if they don't.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
And social media is covered with issues like you know,
a black mother in somewhere who voted and she was
that eligible to vote and didn't realize she was an
eligible to vote, and now she's in jail. You know
that sort of thing that those comparisons are always going to.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Con be in.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
So many defense attorneys will reference that that case.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
You know, I'm sorry, that's an actual case.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
Yeah, I can bring up the detail on it, but
but yeah, well I'm saying they'll reference Lorie Laughlin and
Felicity Huffman's case when you know their clients go through
any kind of tax fraud or money and she's or whatever,
Like they'll start saying, in you know, Laughlin and Huffman
versus the State of California, this happened and they didn't
get any time.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Why is my client Rosa Maria Ortega voted voter fraud
because she voted illegally, says she had no idea because
she doesn't speak English that well, and she's doing eight
years in prison.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Eight years Yeah, see that right there is just ridiculous,
ridiculous what that's such?

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Bs like, how can how can I judge?

Speaker 1 (24:40):
And it was appealed and it held up an appeal
and the Attorney general says it's the open and shut
case of voter fraud. She pretended to be a citizen,
she voted and she's being punished.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Was she doing that to get citizen to pretend that
she was she actually a citizen.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
So the prosecutor is saying she wasn't a citizen, she
was pretending to be a citizen. Her team is saying
that she had no idea that she couldn't vote. She
lives here, she voted. Everyone else's not right, And that's
the thing. What's the benefit of voting?

Speaker 4 (25:08):
What no? I no, I'm saying. I'm from saying from
a standpoint, why would she purposely go vote? Like is
there anything to gain? Because right, they're not paying, it
doesn't it doesn't give you any.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
But if she's maybe she was trying to prove because
she wasn't. She's not technically a citizen in the US.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
It's a legal.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Permanent legal She's not a citizen, she's a legal residence.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
She's a legal residen.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
She's not here illegally. She's rather like distinction that I'm
not even that clear on the difference to a citizen
an illegal permanent residence, right.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
I think. But to March point, she's probably just caught
up in It's like people, she knows, oh, this is
what we do, and she's probably like, well, I'm legally
I am allowed to live here, so yeah, I guess
I'll go vote.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Is there any benefits of voting in her situation?

Speaker 4 (25:51):
That's what I'm saying. What's the benefit?

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Well, that's what I'm asking. Does anyone know what the
benefit could be?

Speaker 4 (25:56):
She has nothing to gain. It's literally just you know,
you're right as a citizen, which she thought she was,
but she's not. And she just thought she could do it.
But she realized what's her master plan here?

Speaker 8 (26:07):
Right?

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Let's curious. I'm like, where's the.

Speaker 9 (26:11):
No.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
I think it was just situation, a situational thing that exactly,
like Mark.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Said, Leslie, let us know she our girlfriend, lest they
always sends us notes. She's like, well on this, I
think it should have been this. So we are so
excited because in the studio and wind Down Studio with
Seth cross Note and Stacey Miller, I feel like you
guys are turning what is it lemons into lemonade? Right,

(26:37):
I mean, you guys, I see this. You guys have
Seth cross Note in Stacy Miller's Dumpster Fire podcast is
available now wherever you listen to podcasts. So you guys
are turning kind of this massive disaster into a silver
lining of a podcast.

Speaker 8 (26:52):
Yeah, that's that's the goal. You know, there's so many stories.
You know, the documentaries did a great.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Job, but and then there's a Netflix in a Hulu
on right exactly okay, and.

Speaker 8 (27:03):
There's just so much more of the story and there's
so many more things going on today. So we just
felt like it'd be fun to cover it and also
maybe draw attention to the people that were victims in
the Bahamas and continue to raise awareness about their gofund
me and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
So what's the goal behind the podcast? Not only I
know you talk about the fire festival, but what other
things do you guys talk about?

Speaker 8 (27:25):
So you know, we're kind of in this unique position
where I went down there as sort of a comedy
writer to sort of poke fun at the whole influencer angle.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
And then it's a basic let's just draw some love
towards that fantastic because like I.

Speaker 8 (27:40):
Don't I mean, I don't look like an influencer.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
So like watching it, I was like, I'm very curious
and like what his intentions were there.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
Lately?

Speaker 8 (27:51):
So you know, we thought, uh, yeah, to turn it
into a podcast and maybe learn more about some of
the things like where do all the money go? You know,
like you know what else is kind of behind the
scenes that didn't get talked about on the documentaries?

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Or how much did you actually pay? Are you allowed
to say that?

Speaker 4 (28:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (28:10):
A little less than five thousand dollars for that?

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Okay, seeing okay, because I know there was a couple
of ones. There was a there was that like four
thousand dollars tier, and then there was a what twenty thousand? Yeah,
there's all these different Yeah, did you get your money back?
And did the people get their money back that went
to the festival.

Speaker 8 (28:28):
I have a friend who got stuck in the Miami
airport and never got her money back, so she didn't
even make it down to the island. So we ended
up not getting anything from fire Fire Festival or anything.
So I don't think they, to my knowledge, made any
refundsay anybody.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
So the people that spent twenty plus green, I mean
any money at all, didn't get any money back, not
to my knowledge.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Stacey, how did you get like into this and with
how did you guys meet?

Speaker 7 (28:57):
That's sort of a funny story. I have known stuff
for quite some time. Our neighborhoods backed up together and
so I's younger than me, but we became friends. He
ran this blog post that sort of funny content, and
I was going to help spotor him, so I did,
and he would toss out things that include and tagged
me and that sort of thing often. And then one
morning I woke up and my social media on my

(29:19):
phone was just going crazy, and I looked and he
was posting all this content from this fire festival and
he tagged me, said they will be hearing from Stacy.
I had never heard of the fire festival, and so
I was like, what he might be jumping and more
I was like, this doesn't look good right, And so
I called him and he was in the airport in

(29:39):
the Bahamas. As soon as as soon as he had
said hello, I could tell he was wrecked. Yeah, he
was wrecked. And so I was like, hey man, okay,
because well he went into the story. Well I think
I'm getting ready to get out. I couldn't then in bed.
I'm going to sleep in two days having anything to
eat or drink. I'm pretty sure I get on this flight,
and I said, we'll call you when you get to Miami,
and he did.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Why didn't they cancel it?

Speaker 3 (30:02):
So what is Where's why? I just don't did Were
they going to lose more? Would they have had to
pay people back?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Is that the issue?

Speaker 8 (30:09):
There were a lot of things. So Billy had a
lot of loans do like the week after the festival.
So if he cancels the festival and people don't show up,
then you know, he's not going to get a lot
of the income that he was planning on receiving from
other investors. So he had like a term sheet from
Comcast that I think was either ten or twenty five million,

(30:31):
I can't remember, but they were going to invest in
the festival. So I think that Billy thought, if I
pull this off, it'll it'll at least be like proof
of concept. You know, first year got off to a
rocky start. But next year, you know there'll be a
bud light mainstage. You know, like we'll show him that
it works. But I think he just had to throw
it because you know, it's all part of like this

(30:53):
house of cards that he was running.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Do you think Billy's a bad guy or just subject
to trying to over succeed and he's just delusional, or
do you think there's some personality.

Speaker 7 (31:05):
Look, he had this company called Magneesis, the monderstanding.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
That he was it's the credit cards, right, and then
he goes and puts.

Speaker 7 (31:13):
On this fire festival, which was impossible from the get go, right,
and then he lures these guys out of their homes,
out of their state, out of their country, and dumps
them on a desert island and the sun goes down.
That's when it gets really dangerous.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Right, Yeah, so it all blows up.

Speaker 7 (31:30):
He gets indicted, right, gets a lawyer, He gets out
on pre trial release and does it again.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Emails right, right, accents vip accents stuff.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
Right.

Speaker 7 (31:41):
So to get back to your original question, Yeah, I
think he's a special person. I think it takes a
special depraved heart to do something.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I agree with you.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
I mean, that's definitely what my opinion is. When you
said he's done it multiple times and the fact that
he's on you know, pre trout bail or whatever it was,
and he still had the nerve to be the same way.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
What did we just take them out back then, babe?
Because we talked about earlier just taking people out back
and just shoot.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
Them little more prison sentences, come to my come to
my court, man, I'll take.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Care of things, Michael's court. You just take them out back.

Speaker 7 (32:14):
Yeah, that's sort of what happens growing up. You take
out with the woodshed and you learn your lesson. But
you know, I've sort of coined him the millennial mate off.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
Yeah, oh yeah, what he is, no question.

Speaker 7 (32:25):
And those folks, man, you know they can go. They
look at jail, they'll do it again. You got to
hurt them where they they're there. They keep sort of
their pride the most, and that's their own pocket.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Book, right. How how much longer can you guys discuss
the fire festival specifically? Like what else are there other
things that you guys are investigating and looking into that
this kind of stuff has happened, just not to you.

Speaker 8 (32:49):
Yeah, So there are other stories of people that were
kind of defrauded in other ways, and so a lot
of the things that kind of the documentary just doesn't
get a time to go into, is you know, Billy
was going after unaccredited investors. So there were you know,
a couple that takes out two hundred thousand dollars their
whole retirement and invests it with Billy, you know, and

(33:09):
like you don't hear those stories of those people. So
there's so many levels to this that are like related
to fire. They just don't make the headlines because it's
not you know, the supermodels or the beach or anything
like that. So there's so many instances of that. And
then also just kind of the people that were involved,
like what are they up to now? And they're running
similar companies, similar structured companies, and you kind of want

(33:33):
to say, like is this a scam too? So there's
a lot of kind of threads to follow.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
How did he convince because like, when you know, when
we were watching the the Netflix we didn't see Hulu one,
but the net Netflix documentary, how did he convince that
many you know, people who seem successful in their world
where the marketing and advertising, this that logistics.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
I mean that one guy was about the suck a
d like I mean, you know what I mean to
get these people?

Speaker 2 (33:58):
When do you just say no?

Speaker 7 (33:59):
Yeah? Aut he's a talented young man, and every time
he went away, he came back with more money. Every
time they needed more money, he'd leave and come back
with a couple more million, and so everybody just you know,
thought he was going to be able to raise enough.
You know, at some point, I think everybody knew that
it was impossible. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
I remember like two weeks out and there's nothing. It's crazy.

Speaker 7 (34:22):
They were trying to Billy was trying to scam money
out of Seth the day before her.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
That you talked about on the documentary. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
I just feel so bad for the people. I mean,
I know a lot of people are like, oh, there's
just these rich kids that are buying.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
But there's still people that spent their hard earned money
saved up probably to be there, and that's just sad.

Speaker 8 (34:46):
A lot of people paid like five hundred to one
thousand dollars to go, so it really wasn't this crazy
thing like we Mark and I went and you know,
we our original ticket was one thousand dollars, and then
we thought, all right, we'll do this VIP thing for
two thousand total. And then and when we saw all
these crazy things getting added, like twenty five thousand dollars
yacht package, I was like, I think maybe we're out
of our league here. So what if we just buy

(35:07):
this like artist pass and everything will be included. And
the artist pass is like twenty seven hundred, So I'm like,
all right, forty seven hundred dollars, Like that's kind of
my limit for this thing. But that's still four or
five nights in the Bahamas, a festival, food, drinks included.
I mean, you had to a festival and it's like
twenty bucks of beer, so you're, you know, like it's
not too outrageous. And that was still kind of the

(35:28):
higher end of it. Like our other two friends that went,
you know, they paid about a thousand dollars a go.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
What was the first thing that really kind of triggered
you to be like hmm and might kind of really
start asking yourself these questions.

Speaker 8 (35:39):
Well, that was so you know, you'd get emails from
them and it would make you stretch your head. But
then you'd ask a question and follow up like the wristbands.
They said, put you know, five hundred dollars for every
day you're going and I and I replied to them,
and I said, you know, we've got the artist pass,
we've got the VP. What could I possibly need to
give you any more money for? And this is, Oh,
you're good, don't worry. But you know, if you want

(36:00):
a plane ride or a boat ride or like, I'm good,
I don't even a plane on the island. But you know,
that was all part of them trying to raise some
money really quickly to pay back some some debts that
they owed.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
But what happened to jo Rule? Did he get under
fire for this? A lawyer speaker speaking.

Speaker 7 (36:20):
Question, Yes, Rules, lawyer, We discussed matters. We came to
the agreement that both parties are gonna focus on other
business matters.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Okay, in lawyer terms, that means what. I don't understand
that that is the official one.

Speaker 8 (36:39):
Okay, But he's facing some other lawsuits. You know, I
think they've consolidated a bunch of civil suits.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
His name was equally on it, right, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:49):
We named him on the complaint.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Yeah, okay, yeah, do you go do you go with
Seth anywhere he goes. We're talking about this stuff to
make sure that, like, I know, you guys have a
friendship too, But is this also like kind of you know,
doing your job also and making sure that he doesn't
say anything.

Speaker 7 (37:03):
Sure, and you know, felt the questions that maybe he
shouldn't answer and maybe I should answer it. Sure, make
sure we say things that we're supposed to say. They
not say things we're not supposed to say.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Right, because in this delicate of a situation, I'm sure
any kind of defense on Billy's end they're trying to.
They probably you know, kind of every detail that you
say to try to.

Speaker 8 (37:22):
Yeah, we have to be careful. So I mean a
lot of the things that we're hearing from people are
you know, their stories of well, this is what I
experience with Billy. So I have to say, you know,
this is what John Smith says about X, Y and
Z and I, you know, talking to credible people, I'm like,
I know this is a fact, you know, and I
believe this person, but I still have to frame it that,

(37:43):
you know, this is the story we heard play this clip,
you know, because they're pretty wild stories, you know, like
drug dealers on the island and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Because even I mean and just like what they said
that the tents were going to look like and then
showing up like that, Oh my gosh, you.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Won the class action suit? What's the timeline on collection?

Speaker 3 (38:01):
It was something like that, Stacy, But how do you
get that much for if you didn't put It's just like,
so you only spend actually with five thousand dollars. But
then but yeah, you're getting five millions, So is that
just your time? And you're did you get PTSD like
from the bad.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
From the Bad beds?

Speaker 7 (38:21):
Now, what happened was there was a class action that
was already filed. It's filed actually out here in California,
but Mark Garrett goes his firm. By the time Seth
came back and I met with him in Raley, there
was a lassuit was already fouled. So we had to
decide whether we wanted to participate in that class action
or do we want to bring our own individual action.
And so we quickly determined that the person who got

(38:45):
a verdict first across the finish line first was going
to be in the best position to collect, So we
opted not to participate in the class action we filed
our own individual case. We got a verdict against Billy
for five million dollars as both for mister Crossno and
mister Thompson. I could ask that question a lot, Jenna
that well, you know, you guys only spend a couple

(39:06):
thousand dollars, how'd you wind up with you know, multi
a million? And the answer that is this in North Carolina,
when you've been defrauded, the court or the remedy is
you make the person whole. And the second half of
that is you make sure this individual doesn't do it again.

(39:27):
So we sued for punitive damages and so it was
the punishabillity, you know. One. Secondly, it was to send
a message to every other person out there that's trying to,
you know, separate consumers from their cash. You better do
it lawfully in this state. If not, you're gonna get tattooed.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
But like, will he actually get that money?

Speaker 7 (39:47):
Yes, we believe we're going to be able to satisfy
that judgment. I can't tell you exactly the specifics of
that because there's a lot of people circle right now,
so so yes, but.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
I just I'm curious, like how you get money out
of someone that has no money. I've always wondered that, well,
we believe he does where from how like there's no
investors giving he's living in his or now he's in jail.
But I mean before that, I mean he lost his penthouse,
he lost everything, So I don't understand all his investors
are surely not giving him money.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Right, So where is it? Where is it? And I
would like to tell you that you're so annoying. I
want to know the answer.

Speaker 8 (40:26):
But I mean any assets that he had, you know
that you can file leans on properties and things like that,
even if he has owned no no, but I mean
if he has any income, if he has a trust
that his parents left, if he has you know, stuff
like that.

Speaker 10 (40:39):
So but there's also you.

Speaker 8 (40:42):
Know, we believe there are you know, things not in
the United States, you know, being held.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
Off answer like that, And Billy, I mean that doesn't
surprise me. You would think someone like that he's got.

Speaker 8 (40:59):
When you have a private pilot that can fly under
the Bahamas and cat bags account something's kind of easy
to come from what we've heard put things places.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
So do you guys want to have your own documentary
kind of spin off? From your podcast. Maybe we've talked
about it.

Speaker 7 (41:13):
It's funny he owns the uh fire festival tradework.

Speaker 8 (41:17):
Yeah, so we were kind of keeping that under wraps,
but so mere Yeah, so yeah, I came back and
and creating the podcast name. I'm pretty risk averse. So
I called Stacey and I said, I don't want to
infringe on the fire trademark. And his sister in law
happens to be an IP attorney, connects me with her.

(41:38):
She's looking through and she says, no, you can call
your dumpster fire podcast. And she said, well, fire Festival
is actually going to expire in about a couple of months.

Speaker 10 (41:46):
I was like, well, what if what if I just
bought it?

Speaker 8 (41:48):
Like and she's like, yeah, you can do that, and
so I was like, I can say I own fire
Festival like quote unquote, and she was like, yeah, you
can do that, and so I thought it'd be hilarious
on the podcast, Like the b storyline is can I
throw a fire festival?

Speaker 9 (42:02):
You know?

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Did you get sued?

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Though?

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Could people see you?

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Because I mean, from like a lawyers standpoint, like is
that really smart to own that because people could go
after him or.

Speaker 7 (42:13):
It's an opportunity for sure, but I don't think he
is not going to set himself up for any liability
of what's happened in the past.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Right, Oh yeah, okay, got it, Stacy?

Speaker 4 (42:23):
Is this kind of taking over your practice? Your law
practice right now? Is just kind of working with Seth
and kind of figuring all this stuff out.

Speaker 7 (42:28):
Well, we've certainly been very busy. But I mean, I
got to tell you, I see these fraud cases, you know,
every day sort of what I do, right, Not not
every fraud case involves supermodels in the in the Bahamas, Right,
that's get paid. Yeah, some of them did. But but
it has been busy, but this has you know, this
is in essence what we see all the time, somebody
making a material misrepresentation to lure somebody to purchase something.

(42:53):
They rely on those misrepresentations and they're damaged.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Right.

Speaker 7 (42:56):
We see this in essence, and with the internet out today,
it's you know a plethora of schemes to defraud consumers.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
Do you feel bad at all for capitalizing on the
whole fire festival thing or is it more like opportunistic,
like you're just kind of for yourself and you know,
taking advantage of the situation.

Speaker 8 (43:18):
Yeah, I mean I think that, you know, one of
our goals is to raise awareness for the people in
the Bahamas, So we kind of put that on the
forefront on all of our like on the website, and
we're you know, encouraging people to donate and if we ever,
you know, once I guess that the moneys from the
lawsuit come in, you know, we'd be glad to donate

(43:38):
a portion of that to the to the Bahamas and
the people there, because the good thing that the Netflix
film did was raise awareness to Mary Ann and the
people down there.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (43:47):
I think her GoFundMe was set at one hundred and
twenty three thousand, and the last time I checked it
reached about two hundred and thirty thousand.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Wow, that's fantastic.

Speaker 8 (43:55):
So she's helping because then there's a second go fundme
with a goal of four hundred thousand for the for
the other workers, and so she's giving her extra to
that go fund me because you know, the media runs
with that one, and then you know, the next one
didn't pop up till like a.

Speaker 10 (44:09):
Week or two later.

Speaker 8 (44:10):
So and then you know, if we're able to actually
put on a fire festival, we absolutely give a portion back,
you know, to the Bahamas, and we wouldn't hold it
in the Bahamas. We'd do it somewhere where you know,
you're not going to leave people stranded.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
Would you ever take over kind of that concept and
that responsibility to.

Speaker 8 (44:27):
I would have WHI are the right people because I
don't know how to throw a music festival.

Speaker 7 (44:31):
Yeah, so I'm not.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Actually happened, Yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
Yeah, that would that would be that would be fantastic off.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (44:40):
So that's kind of the goal with the trademark. It
was bought kind of Tongue in Cheek that I thought
well or applied for Tongue in Cheek and so we're
still through that, going through that process. But if it happens,
stay tuned.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Well, I love it well Seth and Stacy. You can
listen to their podcast, The Dumpster Fire podcast, available wherever you.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Listen to podcasts. So, thank you guys so much for
coming in there. Interesting.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
Yeah, thank you, I really appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (45:02):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
It was fascinating.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
Yeah, there's so much.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
I just think it's I don't know, the owning the
fire thing is interesting to me.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
It seems like it would make them a target, Yeah,
for people trying to make.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Some Why would you want to redo that disaster?

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Right?

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Actually think it's ironic actually kind of like that part.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Are the roll up here?

Speaker 4 (45:27):
They are.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Welcome in studio, Jeremy and Audrey Rollo.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Yeah, pleasure to be here.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Did I say Jeremy again? I always know.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
I have.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Jeremy. It's just okay, it's a Jermy. A lot of
people call him Jerry.

Speaker 10 (45:49):
People spell my name was a g all the time,
So that's weird.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
That's a little weird.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
You guys have a book out. You're on your book
tour now, A love letter life. Yes, it's so good, honestly,
so inspire.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Even Michael was reading it and he was just like, babe, even,
come on, it's for the guys too.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
You know, I will say you're totally right, but I
will say this is this is what Michael does. He'll
be like, I can't wait to read this book, and
he never opens it. So when I say even is
because he actually opened the book.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
You're a reader.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
I've never been a reader. A reader and now I'm
trying to Yeah, and it's just the thing is the
only time to do is like at night, and then
I get five words, and I'm going, yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
It's kind of a little bit of a trigger at
times because he's like, I got a book it says
you know, how to be an adult. That's one book
he wants to read. And I'm like, well, baby, you
actually have to open the book.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
Like, yeah, how more of If I just sit on
my nightstand, the words will start when I sleep. Yeah,
there we go.

Speaker 10 (46:47):
That gets into the whole discussion like is audiobooking really reading?

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (46:51):
You know interesting some people think.

Speaker 10 (46:53):
I think, I think that you're getting the ingesting. The
ingestion of listening is obviously way different. And then like
read actually reading, And so I'm on the fence of like,
I don't know if you can say I read a
book if you listen to it.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
I agree with that, yea, even for someone who doesn't.

Speaker 10 (47:09):
But I love audiobooking. It's one of my favorite things.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Like listening to a podcast. I've never done an audio.

Speaker 10 (47:15):
You wouldn't say, like you wouldn't say I read a podcast,
would you?

Speaker 9 (47:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:20):
But it depends.

Speaker 11 (47:21):
Audiobooks though can be it depends on the person doing it,
like it depends on the voice of the person reading
the book, because sometimes it can be so boring.

Speaker 10 (47:29):
Yeah, sometimes they read, Yeah, it has to be.

Speaker 11 (47:33):
The most fun ones are the people that actually, we
got to read our own audiobook, which is so fun.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
It's like our voices read book.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
I can only read from first person, like I have
a hard time reading if it says she said, and
this person said, it has to be from the reader.
So like Emily Giffen is one of my favorite authors.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Love her to death. But she writes always in that
first person, so.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
Interesting, like when we read Jolie our daughter or three
year old books and it's always dialogue and it's like
every other sense he said, they exclaim. But it's just
like it's tiring to read every sentence. You have to
read that, you know, react.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
If I do, I do voices and there I don't
have to say that, he said.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
She started doing voices.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
You can skip those lines.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
When she starts to learn how to read, She's like,
what you're missing? And I'm like, I don't care. We
do we skip a lot?

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Yeah, a lot?

Speaker 4 (48:21):
Or make it up. I actually don't anymore.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
You don't anymore? No, really, I read her every word live.
Oh you guys, how old your daughter? Diligent nineteen months
nineteen months.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Are we so fun?

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Are we going for baby too? Like, definitely we want
to have more kids.

Speaker 10 (48:36):
Yeah, I'm ready to have another. No, I don't want
them to be too far apart. I'm like, yeah, they
got to be friends, Like I don't want one to
be a senior in high school looking at their freshman's sister,
you know, like how it was with me.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Really yeah, but my brother he wouldn't even let me
like ride in his car on the way to school
because he didn't want to be associated with her.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
That is why it is so sad. I know, your
only brother or only siblings.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Well, well no, I have technically have two half sisters,
but they're super young. But but yeah, so my older brother.
But yeah, he would never let me ride in his car,
and if I did, I had to sit in the back,
like I could not be associated with him.

Speaker 10 (49:12):
That's where like being a twin was so fun. Yeah,
we were read default friend.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Really you had no choice, Yeah, we had no He
was there always.

Speaker 10 (49:20):
You know, yeah for sure, and we rode together every day,
you know, unless we're doing something different after school.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
So I love I love that kind of twin dynamic
where it's like you guys embrace it. Yeah, you're just
like you love each other for it, because some don't
for oh, absolutely some kind of independency issue where it's
just like I'm me, he's there, you know. Yep, you
don't want to be affiliated with each other.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Can I just ask on your family side first? Yeah,
just is does Dwarfism run genetically? I don't know how
that because both of your parents are.

Speaker 10 (49:48):
Dwarfs, right, youna, what a nightmare question.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
I'm sorry, I'm like, you did film the TV show,
so like I.

Speaker 10 (49:54):
Have to like, I'm totally kidding. I'm totally kidding. It's
actually really weird. You You guys are just as likely
to have a little person as I am.

Speaker 11 (50:03):
Really for us, because we don't because it's a dominant
jean well even that it's kind of confusing, but yeah,
it's a dominant gene for the most part, but you know,
the whole gene pool.

Speaker 10 (50:12):
I feel like, so when people still don't know what's
going on in that.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Realm, I just know that Mike's left eye has the
same left eye Jace. Jeans are like insane right out right? Yeah,
oh crazy, but I mean jeans are just like nuts.

Speaker 10 (50:23):
Yeah, they're crazy and so like Audrey's in my cape,
or possibility of having a little person to be same
as your guys is at the end of the day,
if you broke it down, which is an interesting thing
because you wouldn't think.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
So, you know, but is your is your brother on
normal size? I guess how do I say that?

Speaker 10 (50:41):
When is a little person? Oh, which is like the
weird part about it. And then two, I've got a
younger sister and then a younger brother. We're all three
years apart. So Zach and I twins, twenty nine sister
and then younger brother, all three years apart. And it's
what's really weird is like I'm perfectly healthy, average high
person in Zach's actually a really healthy, very healthy a

(51:04):
condo pleasure dwarfs. So it's kind of funny how that
all worked. We call them acon but a condoplasia.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Yeah, what is that?

Speaker 10 (51:10):
There's like several hundred types of Dwarfism out there.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
It's crazy.

Speaker 10 (51:15):
Yeah, So like there's different types of acons, there's hypoacons,
there's you know, it gets crazy. There's a whole LP
a Little People of America. There's a whole organization where
people meet every year and this is a whole rabbit trail,
but like it gets really crazy. There's like a we're kids,
so mean to you about yeah you know, yeah, I
would say there were definitely, Yeah, there were definitely times

(51:38):
where it got a little intense, like even in the
height of like filming like TV years, how many years?

Speaker 4 (51:45):
Oh boy, this is our world?

Speaker 10 (51:47):
Yeah, our sixteenth year.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (51:50):
Yeah, but we're not film. Audrey and I were done.
So we stepped away two years ago to write books
and just pursue just too hard. As you know, it's
have you done anything for fifteen years? It just it
just gets to the point where you're like, I'm ready
to go do something else, you know. And then then
I married Audrey really and it's like, whoa, we got

(52:10):
some passion here, So let's go do something with the
tools we feel like we've been given. Let's go exercise
some of this. If you have different avenues than necessarily
you know, the reality television show.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
I grew up on.

Speaker 10 (52:20):
Plus, it just got to a point to your point, Jenneral,
it's like it got hard. So it was a little hard,
you know.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
How did the show you guys be on the show,
And when Audrey came in the picture, like affect your
dating life and you know, in a positive but then
also negative.

Speaker 10 (52:33):
That's a good question. Well, one cool thing about our
book is like we kind of tell the story that
was never told, you know, because they filmed our wedding.
There's like two point four two point three million people
watched it, but nobody followed our courtship and our dating
and that whole.

Speaker 11 (52:49):
Because we did long distance. Yeah, our entire dating relationship.
So it was like they literally couldn't film it. And
Jeremy was kind of not really on the show as much.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
At the time. I was in Santa Barbara, I was
at school. What did you guys meet?

Speaker 1 (53:03):
So blind date?

Speaker 11 (53:04):
Oh, that's right, set up by set up by friends,
though it wasn't just like random blind date. Yeah, we
both trusted our friends that were dating.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Did you watch did you know?

Speaker 11 (53:13):
I'd never seen the show, but I knew of the
show because everyone in Oregon knew of the pumpkin Patch.
So the pumpkin patch was like a thing before the show.
It was like their family had this pumpkin patch that
everyone went to every weekend in October.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
It is a huge thing. And then so I knew
of that, but I didn't know of the TV show.

Speaker 10 (53:31):
Yeah, and then our friends basically bagdask like, you guys
have got to meet, and so we're like, okay, so
we did.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Did you know from the Blind from the Good Girl? Really? Well?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Do you mean to read the book?

Speaker 4 (53:41):
I knows our listeners need. That's sitting. That's sitting. That's
the next one in my lineup. So I'm hoping the
same to be an adult relationship.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Okay, there you go. They seem like compatible. What do
you want people? What's the takeaway for y'all?

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Book?

Speaker 10 (53:59):
Yeah, so we it would be a success and that
we're already seeing kind of some of this response come in,
which is just I've read.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
We follow each other on Special. I love seeing everyone's comments.

Speaker 10 (54:09):
It's been so special. But we would want people to
put down the book and feel absolutely ignited, not just ignited,
but equipped and inspired to write their own love of
their life, to go out and pursue a love story
that they would actually want read back to them one day.
So we believe we're all writing our love story, and
at the end of our life, we're all going to
have our life song, if you will, sung back to us,
and we hope you like what you hear in the

(54:30):
same way. We want to live the story every single
day and ignite people to do that so that when
they do get to the end of their life, they
have a story that they want to read, that they
would want read back to them.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
So that's what we that's like a notebook of you.

Speaker 10 (54:41):
Yeah, that's like our hope for what the book does
to people. And I guess the reason is because we
just think we believe relationships and the marriage relationships specifically
is just so powerful. It's like, why aren't we pressing
into them?

Speaker 4 (54:53):
How do you guys handle adversity or issues within your marriage?
Because again, I mean your book, stuff that I have
read in it and just talking to you guys on
your podcast and everything. You guys are so in love,
you guys are so affectionate and everything. But when it
comes to those hard times, how do you guys handle
those and kind of work?

Speaker 7 (55:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Oh yeah, give me the hard ones.

Speaker 11 (55:13):
Yeah, of course you get to say the love the
amazing thing about our book, babe, Yeah, no, yeah, I
mean that is something that we do talk about a
lot in the book because we just we didn't want
to be you know, the world doesn't need another highlight reel, right,
So we wanted to share like the struggles, the reality
of the messy stuff of our relationship in the book.

(55:33):
So we talk a lot about there's a chapter called
the Code of Conflict, and we talk a lot about
just how we handle conflict in our relationship and how
we try to view conflict as an opportunity for learning
more about each other. And that doesn't always necessarily work out,
but we've kind of set ourselves these boundaries for when

(55:54):
we do fight, how to do it in a fair way.
And so I want to I feel like we are
kind of non negotiables for conflict. Like, when conflict does arise,
it's inevitable, But how do we prevent conflict from turning
into fighting? How do we keep it in like a
conflict to resolve conflict to resolve mode as opposed to
conflict to fighting it?

Speaker 10 (56:13):
Yeah, because ultimately, like what's the point, what's the goal?

Speaker 1 (56:15):
What's the point?

Speaker 10 (56:16):
Like we believe, you know, the point of marriage isn't
just marriage itself, right, because if the point of marriage
was marriage, then the ultimate goal would probably be happiness
or something. But we think happiness is actually a byproduct
of how you would treat your marriage, or approach conflict
and whatnot. So I think the perspective of, like, Okay,
we're on a mission together. We got goals, we've got
an agenda, we've got a framework to achieve this. It's

(56:39):
so funny. Every single successful business, sports team, organization, you
name it, on the planet, what do they all have.
They all have a mission statement, they all have goals,
they all have a strategy for.

Speaker 11 (56:52):
Success, they all have yearly summits, they all have Well,
why don't we ever do that with our marriages? Like
they're designing success in their you know, all every other
organization does that, but we don't do that with our marriages.
Why aren't we as intentional?

Speaker 10 (57:04):
It's like we get married and then we throw everything
up in there. We go, well, I hope this one
works out.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Let's just let it be spontaneous.

Speaker 10 (57:09):
But I'm going to train really hard and put diet
restrictions in everything for my half marathon. Right right, It's like,
what are we doing? It's like, of course, of course
things are failing left and rights, because we're literally planning
for failure. So that being said, going back to your
question of like, you know, handling conflict and stuff, I
think we just have a fun perspective of like, Okay,
we're on mission here, so how do we plan for

(57:32):
success because there's going to be conflict? Of course, can't
get rid of it. Like literally, there's always going to
be conflict because I'm going to be a different me
next year. She's going to have to deal with a
different me conflict.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
I think what you guys said is great is you know,
what's the ultimate goal of whatever you do is you guys,
whatever the conflict is. And I think that's where, at
least in the infancy, Jane and I kind of look back,
we realize we were in the infancy of we're just
trying to be right. That doesn't that's not the purpose really.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
I think what we wanted to be heard. Yeah, we
didn't know how to hear each other.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Ultimately, we wanted to be heard, but we did it
by trying to win.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Yeah, you know, no, no, hear me, hear me, hear me.
It's like, well, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
And it's like if we felt like we won, then
we felt like we were heard. But really that's not
at all.

Speaker 10 (58:15):
That is a very awesome statement.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Yeah, and then our voices just kept getting hired. Were
like wow, we're well getting that's therapist.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
I love.

Speaker 10 (58:26):
The volume of your voice. It does not determine the
validity of your argument, but it feels like it's so much.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
It's not for Jeremy though.

Speaker 11 (58:36):
Jeremy's voice, I'm a nine. So I'm like, he's never
a little peacemaker. He is like the passive aggressive in
the argument. You know, he's just like disappear gone, there's
no Yeah, it's just I'm like, wait, where's the intensity?
You're gonna match me back?

Speaker 10 (58:50):
Right?

Speaker 7 (58:50):
What are you?

Speaker 4 (58:52):
I'm the intensity and jan is the passive aggressive. So
even I'll get animated, I'll be like, you know what,
like what's going on? And Jenmy like, well, you're getting heightened.
I'm like no, I'm just that's I'm just kind of like, no,
I'm talking about this. You don't need to be so
hiphry just because I get animated. She says, I'm being mean.
I actually haven't said anything mean. I don't know.

Speaker 10 (59:09):
Just I don't know about you, Jenama. Sometimes I've got
to like check my spirit because sometimes we'll get into
what Emerson Egritch calls he did fellowship, what do you
call it? He did fellowship? And like Audill get all
animated and get all crazy, and I'll just go, babe,
you need to calm down, right. I know it's even
say it is kind of crazy, but it's and I

(59:31):
gotta check my spirit because sometimes it'll like flare her up,
you know. But sometimes it'll be like, actually that always
flares you up if I say it like that audaciously,
you know, like you need to calm down. But we
do have those moments of like me trying to match
her intensity or should I like try to calm her
down and likewise me not being passive agressive. Sometimes Audrey
needs to tell me like, hey, do you like, do

(59:52):
you care I engage with this?

Speaker 2 (59:54):
I don't just walk away from anything there.

Speaker 10 (59:56):
Yeah, it's man. Dealing with that stuff is just so
and so helpful for us.

Speaker 11 (01:00:02):
Do you guys know do you guys do anagram?

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
We did, but we forgot that's like the numbers, right.

Speaker 7 (01:00:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
We had a we had a span of like.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Psychics and healers and everyone come in like that week
and there was just just do it all. It was
just as a lot and so I think I was
I need to listen back to the podcast because we
did have an anagram.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
Person with so many in a small window. It was
kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Blurry. But what does it tell you?

Speaker 10 (01:00:37):
Basically, like not to get all into the anagram train
because it's such a tangent, but it's it's essentially.

Speaker 11 (01:00:42):
A uh self Discoveries for self growth. So it teaches
you more about yourself. It shows you like the box
you're in and teaches you how to get out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
So it's not an excuse for you to, like conversation
the way you are.

Speaker 11 (01:00:55):
It's teaching you how you are, the way you are,
why you are the way you are, what motivates you
to be that way so that you can change and grow.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
And it's so good for me.

Speaker 10 (01:01:03):
It's been probably one of the most helpful tools, like
we've ever discovered itself that should it's.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
Probably it's more I mean too, but that's not the bottom.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
I mean, if we if we were ever to write
a book, would you actually read our own book? But
we're like no, because yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
I've read it while I was typing it. No, But
that's kind of like a more introspective way of learning
yourself compared to like introspective way of learning yourself compared
to like love languages, love languages and learning yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
But this is like a deeper dive into I think
that one's more for learning about the other person love languages.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
So I think we always know our love languages. It's
about learning what the other persons is.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
Yeah, you don't really know your love language until you know,
like until you know what it is on paper, Like
I wouldn't. I wouldn't have known how to articulate my
love language.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Really, I feel like.

Speaker 10 (01:01:58):
I would say so if I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Wouldn't.

Speaker 10 (01:02:02):
Guys, naturally, I didn't know mine. I think until I
actually started someone you started like meeting that need. And
actually we tell the story in the book when I
first recognized it, remember with the yeah words of affirmation?

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
So what's next? They got the love letter life. Now
what's what's the sequel? What's the what's are you just
trying to tell me?

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
I'm sure?

Speaker 11 (01:02:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
The book tour just been crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
It's been so fun.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
It has been really fun.

Speaker 11 (01:02:30):
It's so cool to get to do this together because
it would have been one thing, like a lot of
people write books, but then the fact that we get
to write a book that's actually our story and then
experience it all together and go on this tour to
the other is just so fun.

Speaker 10 (01:02:43):
It's pretty fun.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
We're I mean, there's more books in the works, but yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:02:47):
More, but the podcast is fun. We're kind of trying
to like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Soak this one in which we were also on your podcast. Yeah,
that was really fun. We appreciate you'll having a Yeah,
that was.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
A great one.

Speaker 10 (01:02:57):
I don't know when we're gonna put that one out,
but we just planned it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
We just planned it before this.

Speaker 11 (01:03:01):
Literally we're like rearranging all the schedules, so we're like.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
We're plugging with all the time together in the book
tour and the podcasting, everything that you guys do together.
What do you do for yourselves?

Speaker 10 (01:03:11):
Yeah, that's good, dude. We're trying to get back to that.
Man like we I feel like we went through a
season of uh, you know, having like this. This the
book really is kind of an overflow of a passion
we have for like pursuing healthy relationship and whatnot and
just bring in our generation people along our journey with
us as we learn and grow. But alongside of the
book and like our our care for relationships, we started

(01:03:31):
quite a few projects and I think right now we're
kind of we're realizing, like this isn't like there's more
to life than work. We just like working together. We
love it, and we're always starting something and we lay
in bed like till one am just talking about the
next project.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
We love that.

Speaker 10 (01:03:46):
We just to your point, it's coming at a cost.
And like recently we've realized like, wow, I really liked
bike riding it once upon a time, like maybe I
should start bike riding every Saturday. And that's kind of
been our personal, I think conviction just as we finished
the book up and it's been so beautiful and awesome fun.
But now we're realizing, like okay, after this, going back

(01:04:08):
to your question, Jane, it's like, let's like what's next,
Like we're probably going to try to calm down for
a second, like all summer, you know, just like Okay,
that was amazing. Let's kind of let's kind of keep
some stuff going, rejuvenate, refill, refuel, so.

Speaker 11 (01:04:24):
Tend to sort of some of the things that we've
let be on the back burner and in maintenance mode
for a while because are other things that we have
got going on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
We just kind of okay, we just got to wait
because we got to work on this big project.

Speaker 10 (01:04:34):
Well that's okay, there's seasons for everything.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
So I agree, and I think there are seasons for
I mean, I know Mike needs more of his time,
but you know he's like, well, don't you want to
go and you know, go for a hike, er do this.
I'm like, yeah, but when tell me, like in our
day right now, we have so much going on with
the two kids. I mean it's I'm like, yes, what
I love to go with the girls to the spa

(01:04:56):
for three hours. I would love that, but I also
have a list of things I have to do that
I honestly won't even finish, Like in the day. Again,
it's the season we're in right now, is we have
a lot of projects right now, the season that we're in,
and it's and then.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Then hopefully next season, the.

Speaker 11 (01:05:14):
Season that we don't It's like our bedtime conversations, pillow,
when is the season going to end?

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
We can't just keep launching new things every month. We
can't just keep releasing it. Maybe maybe the winter time, Moore.

Speaker 9 (01:05:26):
The train that keeps it going that like is always yeah,
She's definite, yeah, yeah, And then I just want to
like sometimes step in and just go like no, I'm
gonna go for a walk open I'm like, I don't care, like,
let it all hit the wall, you know, yeah, and
I'll be back in ten minutes or an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
We are trying to create a brand, trying to make
a circle very hard.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
Last night we're in bed, go to bed, and she's
asked me a question about later this month, about a
traveling plan, if we're going to do it. I'm just
kind of like, can we talk about tomorrow? And she's
just like, you just like messed her up. Yeah, this
is so to me.

Speaker 11 (01:05:59):
Everything is urgent, urgent, Jeremy, nothing is urgent. And also
there's no such thing as a crisis. There's no such
thing as an emergency. Like I tell this story all
the time, a motorcycle accident. Do you tell you guys this, No, okay,
this is it's the motorcycle.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
And also we this is another change it.

Speaker 11 (01:06:17):
When we lived in La we drove on this tiny
little motorcycle around splitting traffic.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
What we were but we were like flip and we
were on this motorcycle when we lived here. Stupid, stupid.

Speaker 11 (01:06:34):
We got a motorcycle acciday and I flew up Jared
kind of like spun off into the ditch. We're fine,
car hit us and we just like spun off in
the day.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
We were going.

Speaker 10 (01:06:45):
I didn't even want to.

Speaker 11 (01:06:47):
Jeremy, Jeremy, Yeah, Jeremy lifts up the fire engines, come
all this stuff. The lady's freaking out. She thinks we're
gonna like sewer, you know, like all this stuff. Jeremy
lifts up the bike and he's like, Babe, the bike
is fine. Do you want to still go to breakfast?

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Nothing is ever wrong guys, those guys in general.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
Right, But it's just the thing is like, you know,
Jane would be coming to me this this week about
a lot of stuff. We have a lot of moving
parts our house.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
We're moving. There's movers, we got a schedule we have
to move for Balant.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
We're talking about it and Jana we're on the phone
or in person, and she just starts like, okay, and
you call this person do this. I'm like, honey, let's
just just give it a second. You know, I gotta
call them right now. I gotta make this decision right now,
we have to do this. I'm like, let's just look
at all variables.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
But there's no other variables. And guess what, there was another.

Speaker 10 (01:07:34):
Variable, right, Yes, here's what's so funny about this.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
What do you mean waiting?

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Because the male and I think this is the balance
that makes it work, right, because if two people are
that high strong, it's not gonna work. If two people
are that laid back, it's not gonna work.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Yes, it's balance before to wait.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
There's a million things and everything's going crazy and I'm
so stressed out. And his thing is, look, everything's gonna
be fine, and you're both right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
It's just a different perspective on the same situation.

Speaker 10 (01:08:00):
Yeah, So here's where like I think that collides and
this is again kind of We interviewed Chris Hewarts who
wrote Sacred Enneagram, and he brought this perspective to us,
which I thought was awesome, and that is what we
used to battle out. We now accept as the gift
that the other brings to the conversation. So like without Audrey,
I would probably not I would sloth mode, I would

(01:08:21):
tend to do way less right. But without me, Audrey
would be way way unhealthy and still having anxiety attacks
like all the time, lose her hair. So it's like
we bring a gift to each other and once we
like start to accept that and then wrestle in the
tension of that. Right, that's when I think true health
is kind of realized. And for us, obviously we're still
in the process very much so, but that was a

(01:08:43):
very awesome perspective shift like that. I had was like, wow,
her intensity like babe, bring it, let's go. Thank you
as long as she on the turn side goes thank
you for calming me down, like yeah, let's let's go
do something this weekend. I think there's a balance there,
and obviously it's hinges on healthy communication to find it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
But do you agree with this?

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
I agree with the one side, but I don't agree
with because I still think. I still think that certain
things like you would never think about, we have to move,
you know, across country, and there's all these different variables
that have to line up in place for these things
to happen. So I think the timing of things is

(01:09:23):
very important because if not, then we would have lost
out on more. We would have spent more money, and.

Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
Timing is timing is right, and I understand that. But
I think, you know, Jeremy hit it on the head.
That's exactly how we are. I think it is a
gift because if I matched your energy. We'd be constantly
in panic and anxiety. I bring it down. Just let
me just give Let me just give a small example.
And this isn't to put Jada on blast or anything
like that. It's not a terrible thing. But we had

(01:09:52):
an issue with our nanny. She quit Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
We have so many trips coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
Go ahead?

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
Are she can't even let the sloth talk? Yeah, she's
she's like ten conversations ahead of me.

Speaker 10 (01:10:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
No, that's not even the one I was gonna talk about. Okay,
we needed our nanny for some dates. Later in May,
she responded saying that I told Jana back in January
that I needed these dates X Y and Z off
because family obligation and so on, and she ended up
screenshotting me the text before I ever got any of that.

(01:10:27):
Jana was like, she did not tell me, no, no, no,
And where I wanted to go to Jamie. I wanted
to say, well, can you look just I just make
sure because I'm like, I'm the messenger, right, I'm the
messenger between our contractor between our nanny. I'm that guy,
and just Jana has her hand inside of me and
just like using my mouth as a puppet. So I'm
just saying where she says. So Jana's like, go respond

(01:10:48):
right now, tell her right now that you know this
is unacceptable, and so on and so forth, and just
my personality, I wanted to be like, let's just make sure.
But I didn't say it. I said okay, I kind
of gave you know, through my towel. I was like,
all right, fine, I said it.

Speaker 7 (01:11:02):
Come back.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
Our nanny sends me the screenshot of her telling Jana
that she needed those days off, and Jan's saying, okay,
no problem, explamation boy, smiled face, It's all good. And
I had to sit there and be the bad guy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
It was a really long time ago. Regardless she did
stor but you did.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
You didn't put on the calendar.

Speaker 11 (01:11:20):
So you're Nanny Quinn and you're moving. But were you
gonna bring Was she gonna move with you?

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
We hadn't really figured it out yet. I don't think
she would have because I think we there was a
lot of things happening nanny until you move.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Yes, so that's been very stressful. But we've I actually
did use care dot com and we have someone that
we hired off there. So but but yeah, so I
think there was just some issues already that we were
getting frustrated with. But it's gonna be good for the
next situation because I.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
Just don't think certain things have to be that stressful.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
I wasn't stressed.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
No, I'm just saying just decisions and stuff like that,
Like we can. We can make the decisions in this
in the same time. We know it's a big deal.
We can make this station the same timely meaner with
this kind of demeanor as opposed to go right now
we have millions.

Speaker 10 (01:12:07):
It's just you're so lucky that you guys both bring
a gift.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
You're so lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
You guys are a gift though, and your love Letter
Life is beautiful. Where else can our fans follow you?

Speaker 10 (01:12:17):
Yeah, so pretty much. To find all the irons we
have in the fire, you can just go to the
Rolloffs dot com. Yeah, R O L O F F
one L two f's.

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
That's the other big miss with the j Jeremy with
Jeremy Audre.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
With an E.

Speaker 11 (01:12:34):
Our names on social media, Instagra.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
We're big on Instagram.

Speaker 10 (01:12:37):
Jeremy roll Off.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
The book A Love Letter Life, you can get it anywhere.
It's amazing, and guys, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
I love you guys. Can we please like hang out?

Speaker 8 (01:12:46):
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Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
Thank you?

Speaker 7 (01:12:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
I love the Rollofs. They're so sweet.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
They're like our counterpart.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
I really they're like our counterpart.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
That they're fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
I really like them a lot. Who I know this
is kind of getting a long show, but can we
just do one? Email? Mark?

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
I mean, we've got some really interesting ones, but this
one I found particularly intriguing From Mandy, I've been with that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Right now, you're going to pick that one?

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
Really? Do you not want it?

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
No? You can.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Mandy says that my boyfriend for almost four years, we
are looking to get engaged this year. We don't really
have a sex life, and that's mainly his choice. We're
a very pda and affectionate couple. I feel one hundred
percent loved by him and every other way.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
With no doubts.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Backstory, he and his ex chose to have an abortion
when they were together, and he won't forgive himself for it.
I think it's really messed him up. He says he
finds me attractive. He says, when we get married, it
won't be like this. And I don't know what to believe.
I feel like I've tried everything. I can't get him
to open up, and if I try too much, he
gets very shy and closes up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Oh, I mean there's no question in there, But I mean,
not having sex for.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
Four years, I don't see how, just in my personal opinion,
I don't see how when they get married it'll change.
I think people, I think people set too many expectations.
When it's when we get married, this will happen. I
thought that. I thought that about myself and issues that

(01:15:30):
I dealt with. And you know, when I get married,
i'll ever cheat right when I get married.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Yeah, jokes on you, kid.

Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
Oh how far we've come. You know, when I get married,
I won't have issues with When I.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Get married, I won't be passive aggressive.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
I just feel like people think that's a fixer and
it's nothing's going to change.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Yeah, Mandy, I mean, is does she say that he's
doing therapy?

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
No, the boy, he's crying out for it. She doesn't
mention it, but I hope he is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
I know I would just say I would be cautious
to marry.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
I think he needs to do some work on himself
in therapy, because I mean, I can understand how he's
beating himself up and if he's really worried about having
another baby and that happening, you know, are you maybe
get on the pill to make him more comfortable.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
I think it's kind of something we've touched on earlier
in this podcast, not today, but in previous episodes, how
he's now married the concept of sex with this incredible
crushing guilt he's dealing with, and one directly led to
the other, and they're just all in one big ball.
And that's why he needs the therapy, is to sort
those things out and separate the untangle those points he

(01:16:43):
can that's.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
A great point. He hasn't been able to in a
healthy way compartmentalize those aspects of the relationship and what
marriage entails.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
And yeah, that's a great point. So give him a chance.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
But I would very highly suggest he like having him
go to therapy and working through that, because that's going
to be a tough one and the longer it goes
the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
I think it'll be too.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
Yeah, don't wait to tell you're married to try to
work on that stuff. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Some argue against having a couples therapy before you get married,
but this is a situation that really calls out for it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Oh, I say you should always have.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
If people don't believe in therapy before marriage, then they're
just kind of being naive. And it's like they almost
don't want to know the problems they have because they
just want to have that dream of being married to
that person, so they don't want to figure out any issues.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Right, you shouldn't have problems, you'll living together a few years.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
Everyone should be everything should be easy. But again that's
a common misconception.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
Well, I learned a lot this episode about fire and
the roll offs, and you know Laura Laughlin and them
going to prison since.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
And how about Mike just wants to take them out back.
So stay tuned, guys, Stay tuned to see who's around
next week. Wind Down, next time.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
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