October 10, 2022 • 48 mins
Jana connects with Real Housewives of New Jersey star Teresa Guidice and her podcast co-host Melissa Pfeister and things get REAL.
We talk about motherhood, relationships, infidelity, Dancing with the Stars, and of course… table flipping.
Plus, hear the unbelievable story of how she met her husband Louie!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I heard radio podcast. Y'all,
I just got back from therapy fresh a me, what
do we want to talk about? Um? Nothing, because that's
how I feel sometimes when I leave Amy. No, it
was funny. It was like one of those were UM,
I was going from like getting ready to like audition
(00:24):
and I'm like, Okay, I cannot cry today in therapy.
You know I've done um but y'all, I just I
feel like I'm just just gonna touch on it and
then we're gonna move on from you want to detach
while you touch on it so you don't cry. No, No,
I won't cry. I've cried enough. I had a good
cry session therapy. UM. So I posted that photo, which
(00:49):
it was a couple of weeks ago now on October
one for Domestic Violence War in this month, which is
the month of October, and it was a Facebook memory
that came up. Oh, I did see this one and
it was like and I had like some scrapes on
my shoulder, on the top of my shoulder and like
on the bottom or whatever. And that was the like
a few weeks after the first guy tried to kill me.
(01:13):
I've only spoken about it on Dancing with the Stars
when we went to the safe Horizon thing, and I
haven't really like I don't really touch on it, and
I I just had so much like emotion when I did,
and I don't even know like why, Like when I
saw the photo in September and I was just like
I just kind of like stared at it for like
a while. And then I remember October was, you know,
(01:37):
domestic violenceward of months. I was like, all right, I'm
gonna I think I'm gonna like just share a piece
of it and I hope that it will help someone.
But like when I pressed send, I like started like
to get really upset because I think it's like the
like the awareness like Amy calls it, like the grief
like you go through like stages of grief, and that
was like the stage of like acceptance, which is like
(02:00):
it makes it real, but what made it harder. And
this is what we walked through today in therapy. Okay, shoot,
I haven't seen his face and since I was like
one and they put his mug shot and like yesterday,
like I saw it for the first time and I
(02:21):
was just like, I don't it just like sent like
a wave of like just chills. And then like I
got like scared, even though I know he's not here anymore,
but it was just like it was like I had
to like work through that because I'm like, well, have
I not seen his face? Like why would I? Why
would I look at photos of him? You know? And
then I started to get sad too because I'm like,
he's got he's got kids out there too, you know,
(02:44):
kids that never even met him, because like when I
met him, I only knew of one daughter. And then
when I did Dancing with the Stars, there's apparently like
six daughters that he had that some didn't even meet,
and he's gone, like not earth side gone. He committed suicide. Okay, Um,
So it was just like I don't know why I'm
bringing that up, but I guess just like to get
(03:06):
it air sometimes it just needs air to breathe. Yeah,
just to say it out loud. I don't know why.
I like, And then like a part of me like
and then I started going to like my purpose of
like life, and so then I started talking about that
in therapy, and I'm like, what I would love to do,
like if I didn't have to worry about money in
supporting my children, like I would love to open up
(03:28):
like a shelter and like work with kids. Like I was,
Amy was like, there was this thirteen year old girl
in therapy today and I don't know, I just had
like a and a pull to like talk to her,
and so I sat there and talked to her for
like five minutes in there, and I was just like
I felt so good selfishly after and like that's what
I would love to help kids, open a shelter for women.
(03:51):
I also think there's a season for everything. I think
that we're not. It doesn't mean that that won't be
or it hasn't just because it hasn't happened. I just
think we're all in a season right now. If like
our kids are tiny, we feel like we're not in
the little little years anymore because they're like almost four
and six and a half, but they still really need
us in a in a real way. I mean they're
always going to but they're tiny. So I feel like,
(04:13):
just don't be hard on yourself and just keep taking
steps towards it. Well, I just feel like I'm like,
what is my purpose right Like what is like light
topics with Janna Creamer, But I don't know, like, do
you guys struggle with that, because I'm like, for me,
I'm like, all right, yes, I know. I'm never like
I'm not like the best singer in the world. I'm
not the best actress in the world. But I love
doing it and I enjoyed and it supports my family.
(04:34):
Do I want to be you know, did I ever
think I was going to be an influencer on Instagram? No?
But it supports my family and I so I you know,
I I promote products that I like, and again it's
an efforts to support my family. And but I'm like
when I when I peeled back the layers, I'm like,
I would give anything to almost get off Instagram. Oh
(04:55):
I feel that to my core and just like like
what would I like and go to shelters, open a
shelter like and and you know, be with kids every
day and like help help, like the fourteen fifteen year
old kids where I got lost, you know. And it's
but I'm like, and maybe that's down the road. But
sometimes I'm like, what is my purpose? And like what
am I doing? And then I'm like, well, my question
(05:16):
is what's stopping you from starting? Starting? I mean, I
feel like and by the way, for people that listening
there are in a bad situation and safe horizon, they're
an amazing shelter. So I want to promote that as well. Um,
it's it's so hard. We've talked about this before and
I'm like, I'm I want to, but I'm like, I
don't have the financial income to just be like here's
(05:38):
a place with fifteen beds and like, but wonder if
you start the networking piece for you now and like
just get it good understanding, Like maybe eventually the shelter
is the end goal for everybody listening. That's Channa blowing
her no because she wasn't going to cry when she
talked about she's all cried out. But I feel like
you can baby step now, Like maybe there's like I
(06:01):
have felt this in my own personal life too, Like
you know, I'm a stay at home mom. I haven't
had a nanny, we don't have help, and I'm a
family here, but I have felt this like call to
help moms and so for me, like, ultimately what I
would like to do is be supportive. We have a
stillborn task force. You and I have talked about that,
but like that's the dream for me. Which sounds really
(06:22):
like morbid, but like to walk that sacred space with moms.
But that is a lot of time away from home,
and not that I I don't want to do that
just in this season. I can't do that every single day.
So I'm just doing what I can and little bite
sized pieces to get towards that, and once in a
while I'm able to walk those spaces. But in the meantime,
(06:43):
there's other ways, especially with your influence, I feel like
you help so much the awareness, raising money for I mean,
there's tons of ways. I feel like you can just
start your slow chip away and framer shelter. Yeah, And
I think that if what's overwhelming to you was the
financial part of it, like God will provide that, you
(07:05):
know what I mean, Like, I don't think you should
worry about that component of it. There are a lot
of components to this, but there's probably plenty of people
out there that would want to invest help in a
situation like this, you know. So it's like, if you
start taking some steps and start having the conversation, doors
will open. I think you would be surprised. Yeah, I
(07:26):
guess I just didn't even know where to start. You
just did I bet Yeah, someone is going to let
you know, don't you do? Guys ever, like you know
your purpose and stuff too, like and I don't know.
I deal with this with Amy all the time. Yeah. Yeah,
it's I mean, life is short, you know it is.
It's shorter than you even know. Yeah, and it's like
(07:48):
what is I have no idea? Yeah, it's overwhelming, honestly,
I mean I get it at least, you know. You know,
I don't necessarily have like a this is what I
would want to do, you know. I mean I have
like a few things, but not like something I don't know.
I mean, for me, it's more missions and going on
(08:08):
more mission trips. But then of course it's always like,
well that costs this amount of money. You know. The
money is always a thing. You know, it's always about money,
saying it to myself. Do But I mean, I love
I think it's beautiful when you just like, no, like
I would love to do this, you know. I think
that's great because I kind of get lost in that,
like what would I love to do? I don't know.
(08:30):
I'm so busy with kids and you know whatever. But
he does I feel like God kind of like if
you look back even where we are now onto our
past lives, we see how he's implemented little pieces that
we've needed to know all along, Like you couldn't You
couldn't have arrived at wanting to run a children's shelter
ten years ago because you didn't have kids yet. And
so now having kids and knowing how to like mother
(08:51):
well and what they need and walking that daily also
gives you insight and education slices to put towards the
end goal. So he's building it all along the way.
You're getting your resume built. Sure every little thing is something. Yeah, yeah,
it's just like I'm like I have It'm like all right,
(09:11):
I would love to like here's my goal, right, get
on a procedural where like I'm like the fifth lead
and like a doctor show. So I have my study
income to support my kids so I don't have to hustle,
you know, on with doing fifty other million different things.
So that's like that's my study income. And then I
released a song here there, we do our Wine Down tour,
we do the podcast, like that's all like the fun stuff,
(09:32):
like I getting united like by doing this is fun,
Like this isn't like this isn't our bread and butter. Yeah, yeah,
this is like how fun is this? Like this is
like we get to talk and talk to really cool
people and like have fun, laugh, cry, like do all
that and then like have the true meaning and purpose
of like helping like abused women children like like that's like, oh,
(09:54):
like what a like what a gift that would be
like to be able to like have because sometimes I'm
just like what am I doing? M Like, guys, I
just want to be this is the start getting your
name out m M. This is a long it feels
like a long journey. Hey, you know what I read
something their day where someone's like, oh god, this is
(10:17):
I'm gonna busher the heck out of it. Someone's gonna
make it up, right. He was like I got I
got my first house at fifty or something was like
forty then at fifty, Like he wrote a best selling
author at sixty's. So it's like, you know, sometimes like
never too late? Is it's never too late? Also, speaking
of love, I cannot say who it is. Is it
(10:37):
never too late? So I had a call with this
one woman. He was like, my love and I love
her so much and we've just kind of been on
the journey together, and she was just like, I'm never
going to find any when I'm older. She was like
in her fifties or whatever. And she texted me and
was like, he asked me to be my boyfriend. I
(11:01):
was like, I tell you tell yourself that, Cramer. Oh,
anything you'd like to update us on that? Now? They
love the hints you want to say anything. Oh my god,
they figured out one girl figured out boring Jewish guy.
I didn't tell you that. It's actually funny. I need
to go. Can I just go on one last time
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for saying it has nothing to do because Jewish. It
has everything to him to do with him being boring
a lot of guesses for that one. Every one was like,
well I'm doing I'm like, oh, oh, I love Jewish people.
That's not that I don't like boring people Like that
was the point that I don't think I need him
to I need him to have more personality than the
(11:42):
bread rules that we should have just kept it boring. Um,
but yes, what friends got attacked for calling him boring?
Friends got tacked wear we're the friends. Oh yeah, we
got I don't read anything because not everybody I have.
I have completely deleted and blocked myself from ever going
(12:02):
to the credit pages. It's just like you can't um
and there's something to say. Well, and here's the end
of the day. I'm like, you don't actually know, Like
someone like said something and I was like, that is
actually not the truth? Whatsoev? And I'm like, why am
I even like? Like I was like, I was like,
I'm blocking myself from this. So I literally blocked myself
from it. Send it to my accountability person. I said,
(12:23):
you know, get a password whatever, put it in here,
and then blocked me from this page. And so now
I can't even go look at it. One girl did
right to me, and she was like, I'm peeing my pants.
Are born Jewish guy? She was like, I'm Jewish and
I did a lot of born Jewish guys and I
just wanted to know there's really funny one. Well, this
one girl goes, I have a good guess, and I
go go for it, and she said the name she
was if I'm right, I'll even take a swing at
the queendom nickname. Um. But I go, I go, oh
(12:46):
my god, how did I go? I cannot confirm nor
denyed curious why you think that person she was just
several little hints. I actually also matched with him on Riyah.
He said he was in the and so she was
just like, these were nicknames for him, which I can't say.
I can't say anything, and I can't say my nickname
for him because it gives it away. Um. But it
was just I was literally dying, like so crazy. But
(13:11):
she asked me, so, we have a really amazing guest
on UM today that I'm excited to talk to her about, UM,
Teresa from the Real Housewives of New Jersey. And she
said something she goes, UM, if she's willing to go there,
I think you should ask her if she knows. She
now knows what red flag she ignored with her first marriage,
because it was only when he went away to prison
(13:32):
that she finally admitted he had probably cheated on her,
even though everyone had been trying to tell her that
all along and she was refusing to admit believe it. Um,
She's like, I'm a shameless Brava Hall like, and I
I don't I don't watch the show. I mean I
I've seen the episode of her flipping the table and
all that. I watched her on Dancing with Her with
the Stars Um, but I mean, I didn't know that. Like,
all I know is like they went to jail. How
(13:54):
long did she actually wasn't she was one of them?
Was three years? You're a die hard, right, Yeah, But
now I can't remember how long he went first, and
I want to say it was like, no, she went
first and then he went I can't remember it was
a year or three years, which is a very different story.
But you know what's interesting about that question, though, is
(14:15):
it's hard to really tell when you're watching the show
if she really knew or didn't. Now, apparently she was
in for a year and a half, year and a
half and he was three years. If she knew that
he was cheating, or about the prisons because during the
show they're still married, you know what I mean. So
it's like, I don't know that she would have admitted
at the time, Um, you know that she knew or
(14:36):
thought he was having an affair, but then he goes
to prison and it's like all this, so then she
admits it. So I don't know, Like I don't know
if she knew or had a nice um, maybe she
was trying to protect him or you're I mean, and
there were some there were some episodes where it's like
it's like pretty much right in front of you, but
well she's in the waiting room along with Melissa Feaster.
(14:57):
They've they're starting a podcast, UM, so we're going to
talk all things Bravo in her new podcast coming up
after this break. Hello, Hi, hi guy, Hi ladies. What's happening?
(15:23):
How are you good? How are you doing? You know
what I was jobs telling Teresa, I'm like, you know
what you know? I was telling her that you were
on Dancy When the Stars too. I was, UM, I
was on God, how many seasons ago was that? My
daughter was four months old she's now six, so I'm
bad at math. About six years ago. It was a
(15:44):
while ago. Yeah, I was about six years ago. Was
um Gleb's first season UM in the in the United States,
and that was it was It was a fun It
was it was fun, but it was definitely it's hard.
Did you enjoy your experience or yes? I did? Yeah,
you know, I had no dancing? How many How long
were you on for? Well? I made it to the semifinals.
(16:05):
But let me just I'll say this, though there was
on your season, there are Because Jesse Decker is a
friend of of ours, and I called her, like, girl,
there's like professional dancers in the CELEBT group, and that's tough.
You know. I'm like, it's it's almost like you're like,
you know, dancing with the celebrities, uh, you know, dancers,
(16:25):
because it's like they're all amazing. So it's like that's
that's a that's a hard cast to like compete with stars. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, listen, it was a great experience. You know.
It was something that I've always wanted to do, So
I'm glad I get to do it for sure. That's
at it. You know. It's a good point because I
(16:46):
was saying the same thing at Teresa, and I was like,
that's like you going and playing against Lebron and kind
of played basketball before, Like how is that fair? You're
probably not gonna win. You could be in the competition,
but it's just like, how are you gonna win against
a trained and then you also have twenty one year
olds against seven. You know, It's just you're a really
(17:11):
good friend though, because you didn't say she wasn't gonna
win against Lebron. You said she probably wouldn't friendship right there. Listen, today,
I really thought I was gonna make it to the
semi father, Like I knew it wasn't gonna win. At
one point, I was like, my partner was Pasha and
his wife one last season, So I was like, you
(17:31):
know what, you can't leave her Mary Ball on the
you know, on the mantel by itself. You need to
you know, you need to have one right next to her.
You guys are married. So here I'm thinking, like, you know, listen,
my hopes were high. I'm like, I could probably win
this because like I was putting, I was putting my
all into it, and I really you know, like the
(17:52):
first dance, I felt really confident, so like you know, Janet,
like there's so many movement parts your head, your foot,
you point your foot, your hands, your neck, like the
way you look like, there's so many movement parts. Like
so it's like I was just, you know, like I
was getting adjusted to that because if they were telling me,
I looked up at the first the first my first dance,
(18:14):
and I'm like, why I was looking up Because it's
the tango. I'm also looking for Jesus because I need
all the help I can get. I mean, we're all
looking up. Yeah, You're like dear Lord, please get me
through this. So you guys have a new podcast, it's
out right now. And are you guys, like, are you
podcasting together or is it like this where it's like
literally you know. Okay. Wait questions. She's in l A
(18:36):
and I'm in New Jersey. Okay, Okay, I couldn't tell
you're from New Jersey at all, Teresa. It's like New
Jersey is my freaking favorite. But why do you say
that straight shooters from New Jersey? That accent is everything
to me? My accent? Okay, yeah, yeah, you know, it's
not like I can tell from the your background. Okay.
Two questions. A, I want to know what's the name
(18:58):
of the podcast? No mistake, bitches? Okay, I want to
sit on your laps. And then to you, how do
you all know each other? Okay? So I actually I
started a podcast side piece and I was interviewing, well,
I actually had Teresa's attorney on side piece, and then
(19:18):
he's so awesome and we, you know, became friends and
started a relationship. And then I met Teresa I think
the first time at Ultimate Girls Trip premiere. I became
friends with Cynthia Bailey, also from the Housewives and she
invited me as her date to the Ultimate Girls Trip premiere.
(19:38):
Teresa was flying in to l A for it, and
I met Teresa and we just had great talk and
conversation and we just started talking and we hit it off.
And UM, I then went back to our attorney and
I said, you know what, I think there's something here.
I've been podcasting. I want to do more than just
(19:59):
me running my mouth. We have great conversations. I think
there's a lot more to Theresa than people see watching
you know, real Housewives in New Jersey. Um, they don't
know about me. I think this could be a great
way to kind of open it up so people really
get an inside look. Listen, just like you guys do, right,
It's not everything that you see in the headlines or
(20:20):
this or that. And I think there's just a lot
more to to what to who we are than what
you see. Yeah, I mean I definitely can you know.
I think we can all relate to that. And it's like, uh,
you know, for you like Theresa, like, do you feel
like you have to constantly be like I'm not the
girl that flips the table, I'm not this, I'm not
that like and and then what what part of you
(20:41):
has been like you know what, I'm done because I
know I've struggled with it and be like I'm done
trying to like proved to you that I'm this way
or for you to like me like I just am
m and that's that's taken. I mean, it still takes
effort in a daily remembrance to be like, Okay, I
don't need to I don't need a dent approval, right,
I don't need this us in too, like like me
(21:01):
or whatever, Like how do you how do you deal
with that? And and what are you doing to not
have to take those steps? Yeah? I mean, and it's
sad because I feel like that I've um, I feel
like that I've been trying to defend myself. Yeah. Like
like your finger, Oh sorry sorry, I can't get enough
(21:21):
of both of your finger. This ship all day long,
you guys, this is not like because we're just talking
to the feeling. We're talking with ourselves. Magical moments for me. Um. Yeah, no, listen,
I had a great chemistry from the first day we met.
And it was so crazy because I was going to
do another podcast with these other two women and my
(21:45):
attorney was like no, and he kept pushing me off,
and I was like, why aren't you getting this done?
I was like, yeah, Adam, And then I guess because
you know, he knows me so well, and I guess
he knew like I would be a better fit with Melissa.
So it's a crazy because that other podcast. I was
working on it for like over a year trying to
get the contract done. And then so like I'm glad, see,
(22:07):
like everything's always meant to base, So I'm glad that Melissa.
I'm glad I married you instead. You know, they were
going crazy. She just the East Coast staying care of
and I have the West Coast staying care of. So
I was excited to do Dancing with the Stars because
I was like, oh my god, maybe everyone don't get
to see a different side of me, because you know,
fans come up to me and like they're like or
(22:28):
they ask other people she really mean like that the
way she is on the show, and I'm like, oh
my god, like that's so far from who I am.
Like I'm like, I'm so easy going, I'm like easy
to talk to. I just go with the flow, and
you know, and that's who I really want people to see,
Like and to get to know like the real theories
(22:49):
of you guys, not not the like person that's always
defending herself housebands in New Jersey because you know, everyone's
always coming for me because I'm the o G. And
of course if you come for Teresa, you get a platform.
So it's like that's when And unfortunately, like I you know,
like that's you know, I finally got that. But I mean,
(23:10):
I wish the rest of America would see what's really happening,
because that's what happens, you know, Like they want to
come for me because then it gets them, you know,
then it gets them, you know, other people to talk
about them. So yeah, I mean, but tell you I'm tired.
That's why I was excited about doing Dancing with the Stars.
But hopefully this season, on season thirteen, maybe people will
(23:34):
get to see a different side of me. So has
that been hard then for you and Louis since he's
come into the mix later? For you and you dealing
with a lot of backlash and then now a lot
he gets a lot of backlash, Like, how has that
been for y'all? Has that been a hard dynamic? Well? Yeah,
I mean you guys saw like yeah, when he came
on and then it's like, you know, then I had
(23:55):
one of my cast members trying to hurt him. I
had I had to said her straight. In Nashville, you
guys saw that, right, Yes, you know the whole table
ended up on run. You know, but you guys will
see season thirteen how that plays out, how that you
know ends up and um, but listen, we're very strong,
the two of us, and none of that heard us,
(24:17):
like Louie and I and I mean, I think season
thirteen is definitely going to be an eye opener for everyone. Good.
I want to talk about the podcast, but I just
(24:38):
want to ask one relationship question, if it's okay around
how you were able to open your heart back up
again after everything that you went through with you know,
your first husband. Um. Well yeah, when he left, um, um,
I was like, you know what, I'm gonna work on myself.
And I've always wanted to do a bikini fitness competition
(24:59):
and and and I did it. I was like, oh
my god. You know. Oh, well, first of all, when
I when when I was in like in camp, in camp,
you know, when I was in camp, Um, I did yoga,
I exercised so much so when I came out, I
got certified in yoga, and then I came home. Joe
left three months later, and then when he left, Um,
(25:22):
that's what I did. I got certified in yoga. I mean, unfortunately,
I lost my mom eight months later, so I went
through a hard time. Then my dad moved in with me.
And then after that, after I got fried in yoga,
that's when I did the bikini Fitness competition. I was
just like working on myself and then when I was
ready for love, Um, it just came, it really did.
(25:44):
I mean I was going out, you know, I was
meeting I mean, that's the thing. I'm so happy I didn't,
like I didn't have to date like a million guys.
So that's really not my thing. I'm kind of you know,
like think I'm like grateful to God and grateful to
my parents because you know how I met Louis. I'll
tell you guys, and then I put the story out
on the Housewives. I really, Um, I lost both my parents.
(26:06):
Then my dad lives with me three years after my
mom passed, you know, after my mom passed, and then
I never knew like if you really want something, um,
you asked somebody that was close to that passed away.
So I looked up in the sky and I swear
I started pouring my guts out to my parents on
Bay Boulevard at the Jersey Shore and guys. A few
(26:27):
weeks after that, I met Louis on Baby Boulevard on
the stage. I swear to God, I swear to you
on my four like that really happened. I really, I
just poured my my mom blah blah. I called my
father Blabama Italian, my please send me a guy that's
everything you've ever wanted for me and more, someone to
(26:49):
treat me like a princess that talks to me so sweet,
because my parents didn't like Joe's vocabulary and how he spoke.
Like so I actually, really, like you know, poured my
guts out to my parents and told him everything that
I was looking for. And a few weeks later, Wila,
I like, as I'm walking, that's how I meet LOI wow, Okay,
(27:13):
So how can I ask this or is this? Are
we saving some of this? I need to know, like
how did the first meet meet happen? Our first date?
Like how did you when you meet him on Babe Bolivard?
How do you meet him? And is it bay or
b a e bay? Okay, I have no problems on
you guys. Storry Okay. So I'm I'm walking with my
(27:35):
two girlfriends. Like one of them is married, the other
one single. We had we went out the night before.
I was hungover and then you know, we drove you know,
we had a birthday party and like up north, so
then we drove back down the shore and so it
was it was a crappy day. I was a cloudy.
So my girlfriend and we would walk every single morning
(27:56):
because it was during COVID. I mean I think it was. Yeah,
it was kind of COVID but keeping distant, you know,
because it was like two So my girlfriend caused me
in the morning, She's like, we just got down the shore.
And then she's like, she gives me a call. She
dropped me off in my shorehouse. She was at her shorehouse.
She's like, oh, I'm gonna pick you up, and it's like,
let's go walking. I'm like, are you crazy. It's eleven
(28:18):
thirty twelve o'clock. I'm like, it's like so hot now.
Because we would walk first thing in the morning to
get it out of the way, and I'm like, you're crazy.
Now I don't even I'm like, I'm not gonna walking
right now. So late, like it's so hot out, I'm
like I'm not doing it. She's like, get your ass going,
let's go. I'm like all right. So she like, you
know twists, you know, like I like a girlfriend that
like pushes you. You know, I don't know anything about
(28:39):
that either. Yeah, so I'm like all right. So we
went and then like me and my two other girls,
it was Rosanna and Dana. We went walking and as
we're walking by, I'm pointing at the um Louis and
like he was, I was putting out this white range
Rover with black rims, and I'm like, oh my god,
look that guy has my card that I that I
got rid of lash because I got a new Range Rover.
(29:01):
And I'm like, oh, that guy has my car that
I got rid of. I was just pointing and saying
because we had the same car. And and then he waves,
so he waves, and then um Dana is like my girlfriend,
the married girlfriend now, so you know, she goes She's like,
oh my god, I'm gonna go talk to him, like
what are you doing? So she goes across like you
(29:21):
know that I don't know if you guys know, the
right in the middle there's grass, so she starts walking
towards him. So they both meet in the middle where
the grass part is, you know. So then me and
Rosanna on the other side. So the two of them
were talking and then I feel bad. I'm like, oh,
I'm like, ro let's go by her. I feel bad.
She's just we just left her by herself. So then
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we go by her. And then oh, I went by him,
and then um and then oh yeah, Rosanna came with
me too, and then I introduced myself on the caim Tresa,
everybody introduced themselves, and then that was that. They were
kind of done talk. And he had two business cards
on him and he goes this, well, you know, my
name's Louie. And then he was his son. He was
so cused with the sun there and then um, he
(30:04):
gave me a business card and he gave Dana business
card and that was it, and then we keep walking
and then um um we keep walking and then he
comes pulling up with his car with his son and
his girlfriend in the backseat, and he goes like this,
He goes, my son wanted to know why I didn't
asked for your number, Teresa, and that's how I like, yeah, yeah,
(30:30):
And then I was embarrassed to give my number in
front of his son and son's girlfriend. So I said, well,
I have your business card, I'll text you. And then
my girlfriend Dana said give me your friend. Then after
we laughed. After he laughed, right, my girlfriend Dana took
my phone said give me your phone, and she texted
him from my phone and said and gave my number,
and that was in. It was history ever since that night,
(30:51):
we talked on the phone for hours, like and every
each night. That's how I was bay On Babil. I
love that Melissa had and our first sorry, and our
first two walks were I mean, our first two days
were walks. Yeah, he came to I met him on
a Friday morning. He came down the shore that Monday morning.
(31:13):
We took a walk. Then he sent me flowers to
my short house and then my kids are like, who's that?
You know those? Because the flowers are so beautiful. And
then our second day we went walking. I took him
on a seven mile walk. Wait, and he pulled his
so ad, he's so ad, and he said he couldn't
(31:34):
he's like so I was like because he running that
morning and he's like he hold is so ad. So
he was like at a commission for like three days
from now, Like it it took a few months, it
really did, Like I think three months Yeah, before that happened.
(31:54):
Yeah was it? Like I mean I just think that's
beautiful because I mean I know from the show, Um,
you know people were saying that your first X was
cheating on you, and um so my my my ex
husband had a couple of affairs, and um, I think
(32:16):
like finding the next love is always kind of like
hard because you're so cautious at least I am, like,
I'm so like scared to be like this is that
going to happen again? Am I gonna get fooled? Is
like the you know. And it's also always love hearing
stories where it's like you just you gave your heart
and he's a good guy. And I think that's a beautiful,
beautiful story. Thank you. Um Can I just add like
(32:37):
did you catch him cheating? Yeah? Yes, I mean it was.
I would love to know. I would love to because
like I just want to clear something up with about
my ex. Sure, I never I never caught him cheating
and trust me, girls, I'm the type that if I
(32:57):
call him cheating, I would be done. Like I'm not
giving you a second chance. I don't care if we
have four kids. I'm not that tight. That's just me,
you know, to each his own. You know, listen, if
somebody forgives, God bless them, if they can move on
by that, God bless them. I was never I'm not
that tight. Once you stick your peeping and somewhere, can
(33:17):
I say that, you can say penis, Yeah, yeah, I
just want to take it. I want to have a
very note that I want to. You can say your
dirty to just use Can I use peep? I'm like,
yeah they do. I'm like burning all the time. She's
like it's okay. I'm like I have a three year old.
(33:38):
Like we talked about peeps. Yeah, I don't know a
real good So if you if he stuck his peep
and someone else, you're done. But like I'm having a
good Yes, I'm done. Like there was no second chances. No, No,
that's just me. You know, listen, I know there's women
that you forgive and God bless them. If they can
move on, that's good. You know, coud us to them.
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I just can never do that. So I just want
every like because I want to put it out there
that I never call my ex cheating. There was two
women that um I had I thought something, but um
I confronted them and you know, they both said no.
The one started crying hysterical. She's like, how could you
(34:21):
say that? And I was like, well, listen, you know,
because you guys speak a lot, like I just want
to know. And the tabloids did take their picture. They
were they were in this place in the city, and
Joe didn't even tell me about it. But then, this
is why I believe Joe, because he was in his
work close and he's and we were gonna that's when
we were going through all legal troubles and he had
(34:44):
met with her because he wanted her to testify in court.
So I believed him, so I did, you know, I
did believe him, and and um so he's like, that's
why I met with her. But I'm like, you should
have told me. And then, like, you see how people
take pictures. So it's like, even if you wanted to
get away with it, it's was kind of hard for
him because we were in the public. Guy, but you know,
what if he did do something with these two women,
(35:06):
like they both denied it to me, Like if I
was doing something with another guy, I would be like, yes,
I am him, you know, I would say the truth.
We really escilated quickly from Pep. I mean, we have
just moved, We've got some listen to this whole podcast
world is new for me, but I like love it
(35:27):
and I can't wait. So so in your gut, like
you don't think that he didn't then cheated in my
gut listen, because I think a woman's gut is like
the most is the strongest superpower we have, and I
think so, I'm not so sure that those women know
what You're right, but this was my thing. I did
have four kids at the time, and I was like,
(35:49):
I can't just go by my gut like I needed
like how do you tell your kids, like um oh,
I thought daddy was cheating, but like I didn't. I
wanted proofs, like I wanted them to say yes I
am or yes, like I have pictures. Because my ex
boyfriend that I dated, like before Joe, I dated him
for six years and I called him like I actually
(36:12):
call him. I spoke to the other girls. They showed
me pictures like he was calling me, crying me, crying
to me and saying, I missed you. I'm home Louis
thanksgiving me while he's another girl in the Bahamas and
the girls when your kids. Yeah, well anyway, and that
girl showed me pictures of them being the Bahamas. Do
you see what I mean? So it's like with this one,
(36:34):
like they both denied it. So it's like, what do
I do? So I believe Joe I did. I believed
him and co parenting. How is that? Has that been? Okay?
It's great. Yeah, he's yeah, like you know, and my
kids are really happy and I he you know, he's
met Louie. Louise has been amazed, like Louis reached out
to him. We went to the Bahamas with him. Yeah,
(36:57):
I mean Louise Louie is like I mean, like when
he set it up the dinner with my ex because
he deemed him and I didn't even know about it
because we were going to Bahamas to pick up my
youngest one because she had to go come home to
go back to dance for competition, and he deemed him.
I'm like, what what did you do? Like I'm freaking
out like you am my ex for what. He's like,
(37:19):
We're gonna have dinner with him? I'm like yeah, He's
like he's like, don't you understand, Like if we're I
want to be good with Joe because it'll make the
girls feel comfortable. Like I'm just saying, he's just like
a He's a gem. He Melissa, have you did you
watch the show before you and Teresa started working together? Yeah,
I've seen. I mean I'm like a Bravo door. So
(37:42):
you were like, just so, what do you so now
like working you know, doing this podcast together. What is
something that you've noticed that like people don't see about Teresa.
I think it's just all of them in general, I
mean whomever it is, like an athlete or you know,
off the court or someone like you know, Teresa. I
(38:05):
think there's just more to you know, who they are,
and you know, they're also putting in not typical situations,
right like you're all crazy bitches together, you're drinking, you're drunk,
you're you know, emotions are running high. It's not a
typical situation. And you know, we see a lot of
(38:26):
fighting across the board from anyone if anyone obviously watches Housewives.
It's not just Teresa, It's like across the board. So
I get that. Um, you know, my husband works in entertainment.
I've seen the behind the scenes with his clients and
people that he has. So I'm always not one to
judge a book. I have been judged a lot based
(38:48):
on my appearance or whatever. What are people? What are
people judging? What do they say about me? I'm so
I'm a I'm also a Stanford met sort of fighting autritionist.
I've worked out my whole life. I've played sports my
whole life. Um, you know, if you're if you're too heavy,
then you're shamed. Right. If you're fit or thin, then
(39:12):
you have an eating disorder and eat a burger or
the blonde from l A. I'm not from l A
like I am a nutritionist. I just like to work
out and stay healthy. So I mean people, I have
two kids that are under five, so you know, the
judgments are always there. I'm the last one to do that.
I want to take the person for how they are
and make my own assessments. And Teresa other people have
(39:36):
not been cool with to me. I can tell you
that from the Housewives, they're just in general Teresa from
the get go was nothing but sweet, open, kind like genuine,
so right off the bat, then I'm like, Okay, this
is someone not gonna be cool with. She's not fake,
bit Like I can't handle that. Um and she was
(39:56):
just always amazing right off the bat. And there's a
lot more than everyone sees and hears. I love that.
And and and then on Amastate Bitches, what are you guys
wanting with that podcast? Like who are you bringing on?
What are you guys talking about? And then why should
wind down? Listen to namast Bitches? Right after this? I
mean true, let me and then you go true. I
(40:17):
mean I think we listen because this is exactly it, right, Like,
you don't hear these stories. You don't know these stories,
you don't you don't see a lot of the Teresa
behind the drawing up during on someone's face, or flipping
a table right or fighting with a freaking sister or brother, Like,
there's so much more to it. There's so much more.
Do you know things about me personal life? Maybe what
(40:38):
we've been through, what you've been through your hard times,
maybe I've been through it, And so there's a lot
of that out there that I think that we need
to tell people and talk about that can help other
people do. I mean, that's why are you on your
platform right to talk about very serious personal things that
have happened, the great things that have happened, being a mom,
being on TV, you know, doing things, physical abuse, you know,
(41:03):
all those things. So I think there's a lot more
to both of us and people could ever imagine, and
it's good for us to get it out there. It's
good to help people to do it. Uh. And it's
real and it's raw and it's not bullshit, and it's
not safe, and it's not scripted and not saying Housewives
is scripted, but I'm just saying it's just real, raw
who I am and who theresas that you would never
(41:23):
see by watching a show or reading some freaking tabloid. Yeah. Yeah,
I mean, I'll just a that's something real quick. I mean,
I feel like I was given this platform for a reason. UM.
So many people come up to me and tell me, UM,
like you're so inspiring that you know, um that if
(41:44):
it was you know that everything I've been through there,
like you've gotten me so much that they had cancer
I helped them get through with UM, Like so many things, surgeries,
so many things. So it's like I'm like, okay, I
get it. Maybe you know this is why I was
given this platform because you know I have been through
so you know, like hard times and you know we
(42:06):
all have. So if if I could help you know
a few people out there, I would love to do that,
like or encourage them to be strong and to keep
it going and to not give up. Um, I want
to do that. And there's so many doesn't everybody listening.
When you hear me yelling at Theresa which she's covering
the camera, I personally can't dogs to start barking in
(42:30):
the background and have her young girl help her with
how do we just got her face or got her
finger back on? O'm sorry sack. Every day, well you
know today is um young ppor so my children at
home so it's a little crazy, but you know I'm
(42:50):
a real mom, so and they have like they're all home,
drive me here, drive me there. I'm like, you know,
I'm still I'm an uber driver. That's my second job,
a reality I think it's important to say though too,
because we started the show about like you know, I
was kind of struggling like with purpose and then like
you know, just um the platform, like why certain things
(43:11):
happen to certain people. And I think you know with
everything you've gone through, everything that you guys have both
gone through. I mean now it's like now you have
the platform, You're on the show, you're talking about how
to you know, have a redemption story with a marriage
and like Kristen, like with your miscarriages and you know,
and everything else that you go through. Like you're like,
we all have gone through things to be able to
help that one person. So it's like, yeah, there's for
(43:34):
the for the you know, a couple of thousand people
bad mouthing us on a on a forum, it's like
it's the and I'm like, I'm done with this. I'm
not I don't want to do this anymore. I want
to get on Instagram. It's the one person that comes
up to us and says, hey, you're sharing your abuse story,
saved my life or X Y and Z, And it's
like that's where I'm like, Okay, there is a reason why.
(43:55):
And it's like, yes, people are going to pick apart
every word we say, every word you say, but it's
at the end of the day, there will be someone
that actually knows your heart, here's your heart, and it helps.
So we have a say in our house, truth over volume.
So that's just where I keep my heart, Truth over volume.
You know what. One, I'm sorry about your miscarriages, but
(44:18):
it's again more things. Maybe you don't know that we've
been throwing, but let's say you've been through that awesome.
I was gonna say, the odds are one of more
than just me has right right one. And and it's
just you know, for Teresa, as much as you might hear,
it's sometimes I'm like, do like what even shocks you?
Like what gets to you? Because I mean like you
(44:40):
were just saying, like I'm done with this, the comments,
the trolls, just the nastiness, Like that's not our jam
at all. I mean, I can't even tell you how
many conversations we've had about this podcast and how do
we do it? What do we do when we make
it about and everything that comes out in math is
like I wanted to be positive. I wanted to be
like just like uplifting in this and that. And for
(45:00):
as much as you think she gets, I just I'm like,
doesn't that get to you? And she's like not, I
mean nothing gets to this woman where I would probably
I mean now anymore, I wouldn't, but it's it's it's
quite amazing that like nothing really gets to her. I mean,
trust me, bigs do get to me. That's why Margaret
(45:23):
was wearing everything on the table like that. You know.
But I you know, I have been working on myself,
like I never believed in a therapist. And you'll see
season three that, um, you know I do because you
know what, a lot of people were triggering me. You know,
we're trying to come after me, of course because I'm
(45:43):
the o G and it gives him a platform. And
I was just like I need to, like I don't
want to get triggered anymore. Mean, but I don't pay
attention to people on the Instagram, like the comments on yeah,
any of that, I just ignore. I'm you know, I'm
not on it that watch. Um whatever I see, either
I blocked the person, I delete it, or I just ignore.
(46:05):
Those are the three things I do. But like, I
have been working on myself to like, you know, to
not try to feed into the negativity and to just
you know, like in real life, like try to ignore
all that nonsense. So I love it. Well, ladies, You're amazing.
I'm excited to listen to No Misty Bitches because it's
(46:26):
just a place uplifting. I know it's going to be fun. Yeah,
we could both, you know, I would love to both
learn from each other, like you know, and like I
love that, you know, like and I want to hear
your podcast. My Inner Table Flipper honors your Inner Table Flipper. Yeah,
I mean, you know what the rest or the Pope. No,
(46:49):
but my thing is everyone has it in them, like absolutely,
if it needs something a lot to someone and you're
trying to hurt that person, it's just you know about everybody,
everybody's different like with that. This is my this is
like at it was my love. Like I met Louis,
I fell in love with him, like I adored him,
(47:09):
and I cure, someone's trying to hurt someone that I
loved and it you know, and it bothered me. So
I mean, and then the last time was one of
my dear friends when I when I did the table flip,
it was Dina and she was you know, like I
knew she she wasn't a fighter, and and I was there,
you know, Danielle was going after Dina. And then that's
(47:31):
when I went, like, I was like, stop this, and
I just like, I don't know, like I remembered like
that whole table fi thing happened like when I was younger,
and like my dad would get our attention that way.
So I was like, I need to get this bitch
like quiet down, you know. And that was it. And
I figured that, you know, I say, you know, I
don't know, it was just it happened. I wasn't even
thinking about it, wasn't you know, premeditating it. And that
(47:53):
was it and I got her attention. Well good for you,
all right later as well, if you're ever in Nashville,
hit us up and we can wind out literally all right.
Thank you, ladies, appreciate you, thank you, thank you so
much
Wine Down with Janet Kramer and I heard radio podcast. Y'all,
I just got back from therapy fresh a me, what
do we want to talk about? Um? Nothing, because that's
how I feel sometimes when I leave Amy. No, it
was funny. It was like one of those were UM,
I was going from like getting ready to like audition
(00:24):
and I'm like, Okay, I cannot cry today in therapy.
You know I've done um but y'all, I just I
feel like I'm just just gonna touch on it and
then we're gonna move on from you want to detach
while you touch on it so you don't cry. No, No,
I won't cry. I've cried enough. I had a good
cry session therapy. UM. So I posted that photo, which
(00:49):
it was a couple of weeks ago now on October
one for Domestic Violence War in this month, which is
the month of October, and it was a Facebook memory
that came up. Oh, I did see this one and
it was like and I had like some scrapes on
my shoulder, on the top of my shoulder and like
on the bottom or whatever. And that was the like
a few weeks after the first guy tried to kill me.
(01:13):
I've only spoken about it on Dancing with the Stars
when we went to the safe Horizon thing, and I
haven't really like I don't really touch on it, and
I I just had so much like emotion when I did,
and I don't even know like why, Like when I
saw the photo in September and I was just like
I just kind of like stared at it for like
a while. And then I remember October was, you know,
(01:37):
domestic violenceward of months. I was like, all right, I'm
gonna I think I'm gonna like just share a piece
of it and I hope that it will help someone.
But like when I pressed send, I like started like
to get really upset because I think it's like the
like the awareness like Amy calls it, like the grief
like you go through like stages of grief, and that
was like the stage of like acceptance, which is like
(02:00):
it makes it real, but what made it harder. And
this is what we walked through today in therapy. Okay, shoot,
I haven't seen his face and since I was like
one and they put his mug shot and like yesterday,
like I saw it for the first time and I
(02:21):
was just like, I don't it just like sent like
a wave of like just chills. And then like I
got like scared, even though I know he's not here anymore,
but it was just like it was like I had
to like work through that because I'm like, well, have
I not seen his face? Like why would I? Why
would I look at photos of him? You know? And
then I started to get sad too because I'm like,
he's got he's got kids out there too, you know,
(02:44):
kids that never even met him, because like when I
met him, I only knew of one daughter. And then
when I did Dancing with the Stars, there's apparently like
six daughters that he had that some didn't even meet,
and he's gone, like not earth side gone. He committed suicide. Okay, Um,
So it was just like I don't know why I'm
bringing that up, but I guess just like to get
(03:06):
it air sometimes it just needs air to breathe. Yeah,
just to say it out loud. I don't know why.
I like, And then like a part of me like
and then I started going to like my purpose of
like life, and so then I started talking about that
in therapy, and I'm like, what I would love to do,
like if I didn't have to worry about money in
supporting my children, like I would love to open up
(03:28):
like a shelter and like work with kids. Like I was,
Amy was like, there was this thirteen year old girl
in therapy today and I don't know, I just had
like a and a pull to like talk to her,
and so I sat there and talked to her for
like five minutes in there, and I was just like
I felt so good selfishly after and like that's what
I would love to help kids, open a shelter for women.
(03:51):
I also think there's a season for everything. I think
that we're not. It doesn't mean that that won't be
or it hasn't just because it hasn't happened. I just
think we're all in a season right now. If like
our kids are tiny, we feel like we're not in
the little little years anymore because they're like almost four
and six and a half, but they still really need
us in a in a real way. I mean they're
always going to but they're tiny. So I feel like,
(04:13):
just don't be hard on yourself and just keep taking
steps towards it. Well, I just feel like I'm like,
what is my purpose right Like what is like light
topics with Janna Creamer, But I don't know, like, do
you guys struggle with that, because I'm like, for me,
I'm like, all right, yes, I know. I'm never like
I'm not like the best singer in the world. I'm
not the best actress in the world. But I love
doing it and I enjoyed and it supports my family.
(04:34):
Do I want to be you know, did I ever
think I was going to be an influencer on Instagram? No?
But it supports my family and I so I you know,
I I promote products that I like, and again it's
an efforts to support my family. And but I'm like
when I when I peeled back the layers, I'm like,
I would give anything to almost get off Instagram. Oh
(04:55):
I feel that to my core and just like like
what would I like and go to shelters, open a
shelter like and and you know, be with kids every
day and like help help, like the fourteen fifteen year
old kids where I got lost, you know. And it's
but I'm like, and maybe that's down the road. But
sometimes I'm like, what is my purpose? And like what
am I doing? And then I'm like, well, my question
(05:16):
is what's stopping you from starting? Starting? I mean, I
feel like and by the way, for people that listening
there are in a bad situation and safe horizon, they're
an amazing shelter. So I want to promote that as well. Um,
it's it's so hard. We've talked about this before and
I'm like, I'm I want to, but I'm like, I
don't have the financial income to just be like here's
(05:38):
a place with fifteen beds and like, but wonder if
you start the networking piece for you now and like
just get it good understanding, Like maybe eventually the shelter
is the end goal for everybody listening. That's Channa blowing
her no because she wasn't going to cry when she
talked about she's all cried out. But I feel like
you can baby step now, Like maybe there's like I
(06:01):
have felt this in my own personal life too, Like
you know, I'm a stay at home mom. I haven't
had a nanny, we don't have help, and I'm a
family here, but I have felt this like call to
help moms and so for me, like, ultimately what I
would like to do is be supportive. We have a
stillborn task force. You and I have talked about that,
but like that's the dream for me. Which sounds really
(06:22):
like morbid, but like to walk that sacred space with moms.
But that is a lot of time away from home,
and not that I I don't want to do that
just in this season. I can't do that every single day.
So I'm just doing what I can and little bite
sized pieces to get towards that, and once in a
while I'm able to walk those spaces. But in the meantime,
(06:43):
there's other ways, especially with your influence, I feel like
you help so much the awareness, raising money for I mean,
there's tons of ways. I feel like you can just
start your slow chip away and framer shelter. Yeah, And
I think that if what's overwhelming to you was the
financial part of it, like God will provide that, you
(07:05):
know what I mean, Like, I don't think you should
worry about that component of it. There are a lot
of components to this, but there's probably plenty of people
out there that would want to invest help in a
situation like this, you know. So it's like, if you
start taking some steps and start having the conversation, doors
will open. I think you would be surprised. Yeah, I
(07:26):
guess I just didn't even know where to start. You
just did I bet Yeah, someone is going to let
you know, don't you do? Guys ever, like you know
your purpose and stuff too, like and I don't know.
I deal with this with Amy all the time. Yeah. Yeah,
it's I mean, life is short, you know it is.
It's shorter than you even know. Yeah, and it's like
(07:48):
what is I have no idea? Yeah, it's overwhelming, honestly,
I mean I get it at least, you know. You know,
I don't necessarily have like a this is what I
would want to do, you know. I mean I have
like a few things, but not like something I don't know.
I mean, for me, it's more missions and going on
(08:08):
more mission trips. But then of course it's always like,
well that costs this amount of money. You know. The
money is always a thing. You know, it's always about money,
saying it to myself. Do But I mean, I love
I think it's beautiful when you just like, no, like
I would love to do this, you know. I think
that's great because I kind of get lost in that,
like what would I love to do? I don't know.
(08:30):
I'm so busy with kids and you know whatever. But
he does I feel like God kind of like if
you look back even where we are now onto our
past lives, we see how he's implemented little pieces that
we've needed to know all along, Like you couldn't You
couldn't have arrived at wanting to run a children's shelter
ten years ago because you didn't have kids yet. And
so now having kids and knowing how to like mother
(08:51):
well and what they need and walking that daily also
gives you insight and education slices to put towards the
end goal. So he's building it all along the way.
You're getting your resume built. Sure every little thing is something. Yeah, yeah,
it's just like I'm like I have It'm like all right,
(09:11):
I would love to like here's my goal, right, get
on a procedural where like I'm like the fifth lead
and like a doctor show. So I have my study
income to support my kids so I don't have to hustle,
you know, on with doing fifty other million different things.
So that's like that's my study income. And then I
released a song here there, we do our Wine Down tour,
we do the podcast, like that's all like the fun stuff,
(09:32):
like I getting united like by doing this is fun,
Like this isn't like this isn't our bread and butter. Yeah, yeah,
this is like how fun is this? Like this is
like we get to talk and talk to really cool
people and like have fun, laugh, cry, like do all
that and then like have the true meaning and purpose
of like helping like abused women children like like that's like, oh,
(09:54):
like what a like what a gift that would be
like to be able to like have because sometimes I'm
just like what am I doing? M Like, guys, I
just want to be this is the start getting your
name out m M. This is a long it feels
like a long journey. Hey, you know what I read
something their day where someone's like, oh god, this is
(10:17):
I'm gonna busher the heck out of it. Someone's gonna
make it up, right. He was like I got I
got my first house at fifty or something was like
forty then at fifty, Like he wrote a best selling
author at sixty's. So it's like, you know, sometimes like
never too late? Is it's never too late? Also, speaking
of love, I cannot say who it is. Is it
(10:37):
never too late? So I had a call with this
one woman. He was like, my love and I love
her so much and we've just kind of been on
the journey together, and she was just like, I'm never
going to find any when I'm older. She was like
in her fifties or whatever. And she texted me and
was like, he asked me to be my boyfriend. I
(11:01):
was like, I tell you tell yourself that, Cramer. Oh,
anything you'd like to update us on that? Now? They
love the hints you want to say anything. Oh my god,
they figured out one girl figured out boring Jewish guy.
I didn't tell you that. It's actually funny. I need
to go. Can I just go on one last time
(11:22):
for saying it has nothing to do because Jewish. It
has everything to him to do with him being boring
a lot of guesses for that one. Every one was like,
well I'm doing I'm like, oh, oh, I love Jewish people.
That's not that I don't like boring people Like that
was the point that I don't think I need him
to I need him to have more personality than the
(11:42):
bread rules that we should have just kept it boring. Um,
but yes, what friends got attacked for calling him boring?
Friends got tacked wear we're the friends. Oh yeah, we
got I don't read anything because not everybody I have.
I have completely deleted and blocked myself from ever going
(12:02):
to the credit pages. It's just like you can't um
and there's something to say. Well, and here's the end
of the day. I'm like, you don't actually know, Like
someone like said something and I was like, that is
actually not the truth? Whatsoev? And I'm like, why am
I even like? Like I was like, I was like,
I'm blocking myself from this. So I literally blocked myself
from it. Send it to my accountability person. I said,
(12:23):
you know, get a password whatever, put it in here,
and then blocked me from this page. And so now
I can't even go look at it. One girl did
right to me, and she was like, I'm peeing my pants.
Are born Jewish guy? She was like, I'm Jewish and
I did a lot of born Jewish guys and I
just wanted to know there's really funny one. Well, this
one girl goes, I have a good guess, and I
go go for it, and she said the name she
was if I'm right, I'll even take a swing at
the queendom nickname. Um. But I go, I go, oh
(12:46):
my god, how did I go? I cannot confirm nor
denyed curious why you think that person she was just
several little hints. I actually also matched with him on Riyah.
He said he was in the and so she was
just like, these were nicknames for him, which I can't say.
I can't say anything, and I can't say my nickname
for him because it gives it away. Um. But it
was just I was literally dying, like so crazy. But
(13:11):
she asked me, so, we have a really amazing guest
on UM today that I'm excited to talk to her about, UM,
Teresa from the Real Housewives of New Jersey. And she
said something she goes, UM, if she's willing to go there,
I think you should ask her if she knows. She
now knows what red flag she ignored with her first marriage,
because it was only when he went away to prison
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that she finally admitted he had probably cheated on her,
even though everyone had been trying to tell her that
all along and she was refusing to admit believe it. Um,
She's like, I'm a shameless Brava Hall like, and I
I don't I don't watch the show. I mean I
I've seen the episode of her flipping the table and
all that. I watched her on Dancing with Her with
the Stars Um, but I mean, I didn't know that. Like,
all I know is like they went to jail. How
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long did she actually wasn't she was one of them?
Was three years? You're a die hard, right, Yeah, But
now I can't remember how long he went first, and
I want to say it was like, no, she went
first and then he went I can't remember it was
a year or three years, which is a very different story.
But you know what's interesting about that question, though, is
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it's hard to really tell when you're watching the show
if she really knew or didn't. Now, apparently she was
in for a year and a half, year and a
half and he was three years. If she knew that
he was cheating, or about the prisons because during the
show they're still married, you know what I mean. So
it's like, I don't know that she would have admitted
at the time, Um, you know that she knew or
(14:36):
thought he was having an affair, but then he goes
to prison and it's like all this, so then she
admits it. So I don't know, Like I don't know
if she knew or had a nice um, maybe she
was trying to protect him or you're I mean, and
there were some there were some episodes where it's like
it's like pretty much right in front of you, but
well she's in the waiting room along with Melissa Feaster.
(14:57):
They've they're starting a podcast, UM, so we're going to
talk all things Bravo in her new podcast coming up
after this break. Hello, Hi, hi guy, Hi ladies. What's happening?
(15:23):
How are you good? How are you doing? You know
what I was jobs telling Teresa, I'm like, you know
what you know? I was telling her that you were
on Dancy When the Stars too. I was, UM, I
was on God, how many seasons ago was that? My
daughter was four months old she's now six, so I'm
bad at math. About six years ago. It was a
(15:44):
while ago. Yeah, I was about six years ago. Was
um Gleb's first season UM in the in the United States,
and that was it was It was a fun It
was it was fun, but it was definitely it's hard.
Did you enjoy your experience or yes? I did? Yeah,
you know, I had no dancing? How many How long
were you on for? Well? I made it to the semifinals.
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But let me just I'll say this, though there was
on your season, there are Because Jesse Decker is a
friend of of ours, and I called her, like, girl,
there's like professional dancers in the CELEBT group, and that's tough.
You know. I'm like, it's it's almost like you're like,
you know, dancing with the celebrities, uh, you know, dancers,
(16:25):
because it's like they're all amazing. So it's like that's
that's a that's a hard cast to like compete with stars. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, listen, it was a great experience. You know.
It was something that I've always wanted to do, So
I'm glad I get to do it for sure. That's
at it. You know. It's a good point because I
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was saying the same thing at Teresa, and I was like,
that's like you going and playing against Lebron and kind
of played basketball before, Like how is that fair? You're
probably not gonna win. You could be in the competition,
but it's just like, how are you gonna win against
a trained and then you also have twenty one year
olds against seven. You know, It's just you're a really
(17:11):
good friend though, because you didn't say she wasn't gonna
win against Lebron. You said she probably wouldn't friendship right there. Listen, today,
I really thought I was gonna make it to the
semi father, Like I knew it wasn't gonna win. At
one point, I was like, my partner was Pasha and
his wife one last season, So I was like, you
(17:31):
know what, you can't leave her Mary Ball on the
you know, on the mantel by itself. You need to
you know, you need to have one right next to her.
You guys are married. So here I'm thinking, like, you know, listen,
my hopes were high. I'm like, I could probably win
this because like I was putting, I was putting my
all into it, and I really you know, like the
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first dance, I felt really confident, so like you know, Janet,
like there's so many movement parts your head, your foot,
you point your foot, your hands, your neck, like the
way you look like, there's so many movement parts. Like
so it's like I was just, you know, like I
was getting adjusted to that because if they were telling me,
I looked up at the first the first my first dance,
(18:14):
and I'm like, why I was looking up Because it's
the tango. I'm also looking for Jesus because I need
all the help I can get. I mean, we're all
looking up. Yeah, You're like dear Lord, please get me
through this. So you guys have a new podcast, it's
out right now. And are you guys, like, are you
podcasting together or is it like this where it's like
literally you know. Okay. Wait questions. She's in l A
(18:36):
and I'm in New Jersey. Okay, Okay, I couldn't tell
you're from New Jersey at all, Teresa. It's like New
Jersey is my freaking favorite. But why do you say
that straight shooters from New Jersey? That accent is everything
to me? My accent? Okay, yeah, yeah, you know, it's
not like I can tell from the your background. Okay.
Two questions. A, I want to know what's the name
(18:58):
of the podcast? No mistake, bitches? Okay, I want to
sit on your laps. And then to you, how do
you all know each other? Okay? So I actually I
started a podcast side piece and I was interviewing, well,
I actually had Teresa's attorney on side piece, and then
(19:18):
he's so awesome and we, you know, became friends and
started a relationship. And then I met Teresa I think
the first time at Ultimate Girls Trip premiere. I became
friends with Cynthia Bailey, also from the Housewives and she
invited me as her date to the Ultimate Girls Trip premiere.
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Teresa was flying in to l A for it, and
I met Teresa and we just had great talk and
conversation and we just started talking and we hit it off.
And UM, I then went back to our attorney and
I said, you know what, I think there's something here.
I've been podcasting. I want to do more than just
(19:59):
me running my mouth. We have great conversations. I think
there's a lot more to Theresa than people see watching
you know, real Housewives in New Jersey. Um, they don't
know about me. I think this could be a great
way to kind of open it up so people really
get an inside look. Listen, just like you guys do, right,
It's not everything that you see in the headlines or
(20:20):
this or that. And I think there's just a lot
more to to what to who we are than what
you see. Yeah, I mean I definitely can you know.
I think we can all relate to that. And it's like, uh,
you know, for you like Theresa, like, do you feel
like you have to constantly be like I'm not the
girl that flips the table, I'm not this, I'm not
that like and and then what what part of you
(20:41):
has been like you know what, I'm done because I
know I've struggled with it and be like I'm done
trying to like proved to you that I'm this way
or for you to like me like I just am
m and that's that's taken. I mean, it still takes
effort in a daily remembrance to be like, Okay, I
don't need to I don't need a dent approval, right,
I don't need this us in too, like like me
(21:01):
or whatever, Like how do you how do you deal
with that? And and what are you doing to not
have to take those steps? Yeah? I mean, and it's
sad because I feel like that I've um, I feel
like that I've been trying to defend myself. Yeah. Like
like your finger, Oh sorry sorry, I can't get enough
(21:21):
of both of your finger. This ship all day long,
you guys, this is not like because we're just talking
to the feeling. We're talking with ourselves. Magical moments for me. Um. Yeah, no, listen,
I had a great chemistry from the first day we met.
And it was so crazy because I was going to
do another podcast with these other two women and my
(21:45):
attorney was like no, and he kept pushing me off,
and I was like, why aren't you getting this done?
I was like, yeah, Adam, And then I guess because
you know, he knows me so well, and I guess
he knew like I would be a better fit with Melissa.
So it's a crazy because that other podcast. I was
working on it for like over a year trying to
get the contract done. And then so like I'm glad, see,
(22:07):
like everything's always meant to base, So I'm glad that Melissa.
I'm glad I married you instead. You know, they were
going crazy. She just the East Coast staying care of
and I have the West Coast staying care of. So
I was excited to do Dancing with the Stars because
I was like, oh my god, maybe everyone don't get
to see a different side of me, because you know,
fans come up to me and like they're like or
(22:28):
they ask other people she really mean like that the
way she is on the show, and I'm like, oh
my god, like that's so far from who I am.
Like I'm like, I'm so easy going, I'm like easy
to talk to. I just go with the flow, and
you know, and that's who I really want people to see,
Like and to get to know like the real theories
(22:49):
of you guys, not not the like person that's always
defending herself housebands in New Jersey because you know, everyone's
always coming for me because I'm the o G. And
of course if you come for Teresa, you get a platform.
So it's like that's when And unfortunately, like I you know,
like that's you know, I finally got that. But I mean,
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I wish the rest of America would see what's really happening,
because that's what happens, you know, Like they want to
come for me because then it gets them, you know,
then it gets them, you know, other people to talk
about them. So yeah, I mean, but tell you I'm tired.
That's why I was excited about doing Dancing with the Stars.
But hopefully this season, on season thirteen, maybe people will
(23:34):
get to see a different side of me. So has
that been hard then for you and Louis since he's
come into the mix later? For you and you dealing
with a lot of backlash and then now a lot
he gets a lot of backlash, Like, how has that
been for y'all? Has that been a hard dynamic? Well? Yeah,
I mean you guys saw like yeah, when he came
on and then it's like, you know, then I had
(23:55):
one of my cast members trying to hurt him. I
had I had to said her straight. In Nashville, you
guys saw that, right, Yes, you know the whole table
ended up on run. You know, but you guys will
see season thirteen how that plays out, how that you
know ends up and um, but listen, we're very strong,
the two of us, and none of that heard us,
(24:17):
like Louie and I and I mean, I think season
thirteen is definitely going to be an eye opener for everyone. Good.
I want to talk about the podcast, but I just
(24:38):
want to ask one relationship question, if it's okay around
how you were able to open your heart back up
again after everything that you went through with you know,
your first husband. Um. Well yeah, when he left, um, um,
I was like, you know what, I'm gonna work on myself.
And I've always wanted to do a bikini fitness competition
(24:59):
and and and I did it. I was like, oh
my god. You know. Oh, well, first of all, when
I when when I was in like in camp, in camp,
you know, when I was in camp, Um, I did yoga,
I exercised so much so when I came out, I
got certified in yoga, and then I came home. Joe
left three months later, and then when he left, Um,
(25:22):
that's what I did. I got certified in yoga. I mean, unfortunately,
I lost my mom eight months later, so I went
through a hard time. Then my dad moved in with me.
And then after that, after I got fried in yoga,
that's when I did the bikini Fitness competition. I was
just like working on myself and then when I was
ready for love, Um, it just came, it really did.
(25:44):
I mean I was going out, you know, I was
meeting I mean, that's the thing. I'm so happy I didn't,
like I didn't have to date like a million guys.
So that's really not my thing. I'm kind of you know,
like think I'm like grateful to God and grateful to
my parents because you know how I met Louis. I'll
tell you guys, and then I put the story out
on the Housewives. I really, Um, I lost both my parents.
(26:06):
Then my dad lives with me three years after my
mom passed, you know, after my mom passed, and then
I never knew like if you really want something, um,
you asked somebody that was close to that passed away.
So I looked up in the sky and I swear
I started pouring my guts out to my parents on
Bay Boulevard at the Jersey Shore and guys. A few
(26:27):
weeks after that, I met Louis on Baby Boulevard on
the stage. I swear to God, I swear to you
on my four like that really happened. I really, I
just poured my my mom blah blah. I called my
father Blabama Italian, my please send me a guy that's
everything you've ever wanted for me and more, someone to
(26:49):
treat me like a princess that talks to me so sweet,
because my parents didn't like Joe's vocabulary and how he spoke.
Like so I actually, really, like you know, poured my
guts out to my parents and told him everything that
I was looking for. And a few weeks later, Wila,
I like, as I'm walking, that's how I meet LOI wow, Okay,
(27:13):
So how can I ask this or is this? Are
we saving some of this? I need to know, like
how did the first meet meet happen? Our first date?
Like how did you when you meet him on Babe Bolivard?
How do you meet him? And is it bay or
b a e bay? Okay, I have no problems on
you guys. Storry Okay. So I'm I'm walking with my
(27:35):
two girlfriends. Like one of them is married, the other
one single. We had we went out the night before.
I was hungover and then you know, we drove you know,
we had a birthday party and like up north, so
then we drove back down the shore and so it
was it was a crappy day. I was a cloudy.
So my girlfriend and we would walk every single morning
(27:56):
because it was during COVID. I mean I think it was. Yeah,
it was kind of COVID but keeping distant, you know,
because it was like two So my girlfriend caused me
in the morning, She's like, we just got down the shore.
And then she's like, she gives me a call. She
dropped me off in my shorehouse. She was at her shorehouse.
She's like, oh, I'm gonna pick you up, and it's like,
let's go walking. I'm like, are you crazy. It's eleven
(28:18):
thirty twelve o'clock. I'm like, it's like so hot now.
Because we would walk first thing in the morning to
get it out of the way, and I'm like, you're crazy.
Now I don't even I'm like, I'm not gonna walking
right now. So late, like it's so hot out, I'm
like I'm not doing it. She's like, get your ass going,
let's go. I'm like all right. So she like, you
know twists, you know, like I like a girlfriend that
like pushes you. You know, I don't know anything about
(28:39):
that either. Yeah, so I'm like all right. So we
went and then like me and my two other girls,
it was Rosanna and Dana. We went walking and as
we're walking by, I'm pointing at the um Louis and
like he was, I was putting out this white range
Rover with black rims, and I'm like, oh my god,
look that guy has my card that I that I
got rid of lash because I got a new Range Rover.
(29:01):
And I'm like, oh, that guy has my car that
I got rid of. I was just pointing and saying
because we had the same car. And and then he waves,
so he waves, and then um Dana is like my girlfriend,
the married girlfriend now, so you know, she goes She's like,
oh my god, I'm gonna go talk to him, like
what are you doing? So she goes across like you
(29:21):
know that I don't know if you guys know, the
right in the middle there's grass, so she starts walking
towards him. So they both meet in the middle where
the grass part is, you know. So then me and
Rosanna on the other side. So the two of them
were talking and then I feel bad. I'm like, oh,
I'm like, ro let's go by her. I feel bad.
She's just we just left her by herself. So then
(29:42):
we go by her. And then oh, I went by him,
and then um and then oh yeah, Rosanna came with
me too, and then I introduced myself on the caim Tresa,
everybody introduced themselves, and then that was that. They were
kind of done talk. And he had two business cards
on him and he goes this, well, you know, my
name's Louie. And then he was his son. He was
so cused with the sun there and then um, he
(30:04):
gave me a business card and he gave Dana business
card and that was it, and then we keep walking
and then um um we keep walking and then he
comes pulling up with his car with his son and
his girlfriend in the backseat, and he goes like this,
He goes, my son wanted to know why I didn't
asked for your number, Teresa, and that's how I like, yeah, yeah,
(30:30):
And then I was embarrassed to give my number in
front of his son and son's girlfriend. So I said, well,
I have your business card, I'll text you. And then
my girlfriend Dana said give me your friend. Then after
we laughed. After he laughed, right, my girlfriend Dana took
my phone said give me your phone, and she texted
him from my phone and said and gave my number,
and that was in. It was history ever since that night,
(30:51):
we talked on the phone for hours, like and every
each night. That's how I was bay On Babil. I
love that Melissa had and our first sorry, and our
first two walks were I mean, our first two days
were walks. Yeah, he came to I met him on
a Friday morning. He came down the shore that Monday morning.
(31:13):
We took a walk. Then he sent me flowers to
my short house and then my kids are like, who's that?
You know those? Because the flowers are so beautiful. And
then our second day we went walking. I took him
on a seven mile walk. Wait, and he pulled his
so ad, he's so ad, and he said he couldn't
(31:34):
he's like so I was like because he running that
morning and he's like he hold is so ad. So
he was like at a commission for like three days
from now, Like it it took a few months, it
really did, Like I think three months Yeah, before that happened.
(31:54):
Yeah was it? Like I mean I just think that's
beautiful because I mean I know from the show, Um,
you know people were saying that your first X was
cheating on you, and um so my my my ex
husband had a couple of affairs, and um, I think
(32:16):
like finding the next love is always kind of like
hard because you're so cautious at least I am, like,
I'm so like scared to be like this is that
going to happen again? Am I gonna get fooled? Is
like the you know. And it's also always love hearing
stories where it's like you just you gave your heart
and he's a good guy. And I think that's a beautiful,
beautiful story. Thank you. Um Can I just add like
(32:37):
did you catch him cheating? Yeah? Yes, I mean it was.
I would love to know. I would love to because
like I just want to clear something up with about
my ex. Sure, I never I never caught him cheating
and trust me, girls, I'm the type that if I
(32:57):
call him cheating, I would be done. Like I'm not
giving you a second chance. I don't care if we
have four kids. I'm not that tight. That's just me,
you know, to each his own. You know, listen, if
somebody forgives, God bless them, if they can move on
by that, God bless them. I was never I'm not
that tight. Once you stick your peeping and somewhere, can
(33:17):
I say that, you can say penis, Yeah, yeah, I
just want to take it. I want to have a
very note that I want to. You can say your
dirty to just use Can I use peep? I'm like,
yeah they do. I'm like burning all the time. She's
like it's okay. I'm like I have a three year old.
(33:38):
Like we talked about peeps. Yeah, I don't know a
real good So if you if he stuck his peep
and someone else, you're done. But like I'm having a
good Yes, I'm done. Like there was no second chances. No, No,
that's just me. You know, listen, I know there's women
that you forgive and God bless them. If they can
move on, that's good. You know, coud us to them.
(34:00):
I just can never do that. So I just want
every like because I want to put it out there
that I never call my ex cheating. There was two
women that um I had I thought something, but um
I confronted them and you know, they both said no.
The one started crying hysterical. She's like, how could you
(34:21):
say that? And I was like, well, listen, you know,
because you guys speak a lot, like I just want
to know. And the tabloids did take their picture. They
were they were in this place in the city, and
Joe didn't even tell me about it. But then, this
is why I believe Joe, because he was in his
work close and he's and we were gonna that's when
we were going through all legal troubles and he had
(34:44):
met with her because he wanted her to testify in court.
So I believed him, so I did, you know, I
did believe him, and and um so he's like, that's
why I met with her. But I'm like, you should
have told me. And then, like, you see how people
take pictures. So it's like, even if you wanted to
get away with it, it's was kind of hard for
him because we were in the public. Guy, but you know,
what if he did do something with these two women,
(35:06):
like they both denied it to me, Like if I
was doing something with another guy, I would be like, yes,
I am him, you know, I would say the truth.
We really escilated quickly from Pep. I mean, we have
just moved, We've got some listen to this whole podcast
world is new for me, but I like love it
(35:27):
and I can't wait. So so in your gut, like
you don't think that he didn't then cheated in my
gut listen, because I think a woman's gut is like
the most is the strongest superpower we have, and I
think so, I'm not so sure that those women know
what You're right, but this was my thing. I did
have four kids at the time, and I was like,
(35:49):
I can't just go by my gut like I needed
like how do you tell your kids, like um oh,
I thought daddy was cheating, but like I didn't. I
wanted proofs, like I wanted them to say yes I
am or yes, like I have pictures. Because my ex
boyfriend that I dated, like before Joe, I dated him
for six years and I called him like I actually
(36:12):
call him. I spoke to the other girls. They showed
me pictures like he was calling me, crying me, crying
to me and saying, I missed you. I'm home Louis
thanksgiving me while he's another girl in the Bahamas and
the girls when your kids. Yeah, well anyway, and that
girl showed me pictures of them being the Bahamas. Do
you see what I mean? So it's like with this one,
(36:34):
like they both denied it. So it's like, what do
I do? So I believe Joe I did. I believed
him and co parenting. How is that? Has that been? Okay?
It's great. Yeah, he's yeah, like you know, and my
kids are really happy and I he you know, he's
met Louie. Louise has been amazed, like Louis reached out
to him. We went to the Bahamas with him. Yeah,
(36:57):
I mean Louise Louie is like I mean, like when
he set it up the dinner with my ex because
he deemed him and I didn't even know about it
because we were going to Bahamas to pick up my
youngest one because she had to go come home to
go back to dance for competition, and he deemed him.
I'm like, what what did you do? Like I'm freaking
out like you am my ex for what. He's like,
(37:19):
We're gonna have dinner with him? I'm like yeah, He's
like he's like, don't you understand, Like if we're I
want to be good with Joe because it'll make the
girls feel comfortable. Like I'm just saying, he's just like
a He's a gem. He Melissa, have you did you
watch the show before you and Teresa started working together? Yeah,
I've seen. I mean I'm like a Bravo door. So
(37:42):
you were like, just so, what do you so now
like working you know, doing this podcast together. What is
something that you've noticed that like people don't see about Teresa.
I think it's just all of them in general, I
mean whomever it is, like an athlete or you know,
off the court or someone like you know, Teresa. I
(38:05):
think there's just more to you know, who they are,
and you know, they're also putting in not typical situations,
right like you're all crazy bitches together, you're drinking, you're drunk,
you're you know, emotions are running high. It's not a
typical situation. And you know, we see a lot of
(38:26):
fighting across the board from anyone if anyone obviously watches Housewives.
It's not just Teresa, It's like across the board. So
I get that. Um, you know, my husband works in entertainment.
I've seen the behind the scenes with his clients and
people that he has. So I'm always not one to
judge a book. I have been judged a lot based
(38:48):
on my appearance or whatever. What are people? What are
people judging? What do they say about me? I'm so
I'm a I'm also a Stanford met sort of fighting autritionist.
I've worked out my whole life. I've played sports my
whole life. Um, you know, if you're if you're too heavy,
then you're shamed. Right. If you're fit or thin, then
(39:12):
you have an eating disorder and eat a burger or
the blonde from l A. I'm not from l A
like I am a nutritionist. I just like to work
out and stay healthy. So I mean people, I have
two kids that are under five, so you know, the
judgments are always there. I'm the last one to do that.
I want to take the person for how they are
and make my own assessments. And Teresa other people have
(39:36):
not been cool with to me. I can tell you
that from the Housewives, they're just in general Teresa from
the get go was nothing but sweet, open, kind like genuine,
so right off the bat, then I'm like, Okay, this
is someone not gonna be cool with. She's not fake,
bit Like I can't handle that. Um and she was
(39:56):
just always amazing right off the bat. And there's a
lot more than everyone sees and hears. I love that.
And and and then on Amastate Bitches, what are you guys
wanting with that podcast? Like who are you bringing on?
What are you guys talking about? And then why should
wind down? Listen to namast Bitches? Right after this? I
mean true, let me and then you go true. I
(40:17):
mean I think we listen because this is exactly it, right, Like,
you don't hear these stories. You don't know these stories,
you don't you don't see a lot of the Teresa
behind the drawing up during on someone's face, or flipping
a table right or fighting with a freaking sister or brother, Like,
there's so much more to it. There's so much more.
Do you know things about me personal life? Maybe what
(40:38):
we've been through, what you've been through your hard times,
maybe I've been through it, And so there's a lot
of that out there that I think that we need
to tell people and talk about that can help other
people do. I mean, that's why are you on your
platform right to talk about very serious personal things that
have happened, the great things that have happened, being a mom,
being on TV, you know, doing things, physical abuse, you know,
(41:03):
all those things. So I think there's a lot more
to both of us and people could ever imagine, and
it's good for us to get it out there. It's
good to help people to do it. Uh. And it's
real and it's raw and it's not bullshit, and it's
not safe, and it's not scripted and not saying Housewives
is scripted, but I'm just saying it's just real, raw
who I am and who theresas that you would never
(41:23):
see by watching a show or reading some freaking tabloid. Yeah. Yeah,
I mean, I'll just a that's something real quick. I mean,
I feel like I was given this platform for a reason. UM.
So many people come up to me and tell me, UM,
like you're so inspiring that you know, um that if
(41:44):
it was you know that everything I've been through there,
like you've gotten me so much that they had cancer
I helped them get through with UM, Like so many things, surgeries,
so many things. So it's like I'm like, okay, I
get it. Maybe you know this is why I was
given this platform because you know I have been through
so you know, like hard times and you know we
(42:06):
all have. So if if I could help you know
a few people out there, I would love to do that,
like or encourage them to be strong and to keep
it going and to not give up. Um, I want
to do that. And there's so many doesn't everybody listening.
When you hear me yelling at Theresa which she's covering
the camera, I personally can't dogs to start barking in
(42:30):
the background and have her young girl help her with
how do we just got her face or got her
finger back on? O'm sorry sack. Every day, well you
know today is um young ppor so my children at
home so it's a little crazy, but you know I'm
(42:50):
a real mom, so and they have like they're all home,
drive me here, drive me there. I'm like, you know,
I'm still I'm an uber driver. That's my second job,
a reality I think it's important to say though too,
because we started the show about like you know, I
was kind of struggling like with purpose and then like
you know, just um the platform, like why certain things
(43:11):
happen to certain people. And I think you know with
everything you've gone through, everything that you guys have both
gone through. I mean now it's like now you have
the platform, You're on the show, you're talking about how
to you know, have a redemption story with a marriage
and like Kristen, like with your miscarriages and you know,
and everything else that you go through. Like you're like,
we all have gone through things to be able to
help that one person. So it's like, yeah, there's for
(43:34):
the for the you know, a couple of thousand people
bad mouthing us on a on a forum, it's like
it's the and I'm like, I'm done with this. I'm
not I don't want to do this anymore. I want
to get on Instagram. It's the one person that comes
up to us and says, hey, you're sharing your abuse story,
saved my life or X Y and Z, And it's
like that's where I'm like, Okay, there is a reason why.
(43:55):
And it's like, yes, people are going to pick apart
every word we say, every word you say, but it's
at the end of the day, there will be someone
that actually knows your heart, here's your heart, and it helps.
So we have a say in our house, truth over volume.
So that's just where I keep my heart, Truth over volume.
You know what. One, I'm sorry about your miscarriages, but
(44:18):
it's again more things. Maybe you don't know that we've
been throwing, but let's say you've been through that awesome.
I was gonna say, the odds are one of more
than just me has right right one. And and it's
just you know, for Teresa, as much as you might hear,
it's sometimes I'm like, do like what even shocks you?
Like what gets to you? Because I mean like you
(44:40):
were just saying, like I'm done with this, the comments,
the trolls, just the nastiness, Like that's not our jam
at all. I mean, I can't even tell you how
many conversations we've had about this podcast and how do
we do it? What do we do when we make
it about and everything that comes out in math is
like I wanted to be positive. I wanted to be
like just like uplifting in this and that. And for
(45:00):
as much as you think she gets, I just I'm like,
doesn't that get to you? And she's like not, I
mean nothing gets to this woman where I would probably
I mean now anymore, I wouldn't, but it's it's it's
quite amazing that like nothing really gets to her. I mean,
trust me, bigs do get to me. That's why Margaret
(45:23):
was wearing everything on the table like that. You know.
But I you know, I have been working on myself,
like I never believed in a therapist. And you'll see
season three that, um, you know I do because you
know what, a lot of people were triggering me. You know,
we're trying to come after me, of course because I'm
(45:43):
the o G and it gives him a platform. And
I was just like I need to, like I don't
want to get triggered anymore. Mean, but I don't pay
attention to people on the Instagram, like the comments on yeah,
any of that, I just ignore. I'm you know, I'm
not on it that watch. Um whatever I see, either
I blocked the person, I delete it, or I just ignore.
(46:05):
Those are the three things I do. But like, I
have been working on myself to like, you know, to
not try to feed into the negativity and to just
you know, like in real life, like try to ignore
all that nonsense. So I love it. Well, ladies, You're amazing.
I'm excited to listen to No Misty Bitches because it's
(46:26):
just a place uplifting. I know it's going to be fun. Yeah,
we could both, you know, I would love to both
learn from each other, like you know, and like I
love that, you know, like and I want to hear
your podcast. My Inner Table Flipper honors your Inner Table Flipper. Yeah,
I mean, you know what the rest or the Pope. No,
(46:49):
but my thing is everyone has it in them, like absolutely,
if it needs something a lot to someone and you're
trying to hurt that person, it's just you know about everybody,
everybody's different like with that. This is my this is
like at it was my love. Like I met Louis,
I fell in love with him, like I adored him,
(47:09):
and I cure, someone's trying to hurt someone that I
loved and it you know, and it bothered me. So
I mean, and then the last time was one of
my dear friends when I when I did the table flip,
it was Dina and she was you know, like I
knew she she wasn't a fighter, and and I was there,
you know, Danielle was going after Dina. And then that's
(47:31):
when I went, like, I was like, stop this, and
I just like, I don't know, like I remembered like
that whole table fi thing happened like when I was younger,
and like my dad would get our attention that way.
So I was like, I need to get this bitch
like quiet down, you know. And that was it. And
I figured that, you know, I say, you know, I
don't know, it was just it happened. I wasn't even
thinking about it, wasn't you know, premeditating it. And that
(47:53):
was it and I got her attention. Well good for you,
all right later as well, if you're ever in Nashville,
hit us up and we can wind out literally all right.
Thank you, ladies, appreciate you, thank you, thank you so
much
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