WAGs and Sister Wives

Jana experiences a truly triggering interview when she talks to Dimitri, Ashley & Vanessa from Seeking Sister Wife on TLC. They try to clear up Jana’s confusion, and explain how this family unit works for them. But Jana and Mike cannot understand how jealousy doesn’t affect their relationship. And we hang out with Nicole Williams, wife of former NFL player Larry English, about her life on WAGS. She lets us in on her husband’s transition from professional sports to retired life, and what effect that had on their marriage. And Jana starts to realize that she might actually be a WAG herself! Plus, we settle a HUGE razor debate going on in Jana and Mike’s bathroom. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Swine Down with Janet Kramer and I'm heart Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Sarah's back. Last week it was just we.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Had too much fun.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
It was too hot to handle, too hot to handle.
I mean, we have a very hot show today too.
Because I'm staring at a picture of Nicole Williams. She's hot,
she is wants to move this paper away from you,
bib Sorry, she's a wag. Which, by the way, I'm
going to feel bad again. So remember how last week
I felt like I was judging. I felt bad for judging. Well,

(00:32):
I never watched Wags because I was just like, oh
my god, these these professional athlete wives have so much problems,
like so many problems in their life that just I
don't know. But I'm excited to meet her.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Weren't you a professional athlete wife?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Am I like so confused looking at her?

Speaker 1 (00:50):
I just wanted to make sure I wasn't absolutely losing
my marbles because I haven't like I don't have a coffee,
but but I.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Mean, no, you know what I mean, I actually don't.
Oh my god, Sarah, Wait wait, I'm confused. Wait you
don't think that you're I'm so confused. Yes, I am
the wife of a football player. But for former. Yes, so,
but I just never like, when I saw the Wags,
I'm like, you know, they're they look different than me.

(01:19):
I'm she just walked in. She looks different than me.
She's you know, so what is happening? He Nichol Williams.
So I basically just got called out.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
She literally just tried to sit here and say, I
just like, can't you know, I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Like I felt like I couldn't relate to the to
the Wags because but then Sarah just goes, yeah, but
you're you're married.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
A wag, a wag, you were whive and girlfriend of
sport you for.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
But I just but again, you even saw the show
and you rolled your eyes. Don't mine now about what
wags the girls.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
I'm not worried about that. I'm still suck on the
whole situation.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
You don't consider him a pro.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
I know at the end of our relationship was still playing,
but I still play.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
No, I know, So, Okay, fine, I'm a wag, but
I just like, like what they like, own it, own it.
I'm a wag. Well, Larry doesn't play anymore. So I'm
a former your former Okay, I guess I just you
guys just seem like just so beautiful and and so

(02:32):
are Waggy looked in lately?

Speaker 1 (02:35):
I know, I like, look at you. Oh she gave
birth like a minute ago too, Oh my god. And
he likes to tell everyone are you still on Wags?
No shows is done. We did three seasons and did
you have fun?

Speaker 5 (02:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:51):
It was fun, it was good. It was a great experience.
How are the girls? See, I just feel like I
couldn't relate to those girls. Maybe that's why. But see,
you seem really sweet. So that's my whole point. Let
me just circle back around here. My whole point was
that last week I maybe had judged one of the
people we had on the show because she was dating.
She found her partner while he was in prison, so

(03:11):
so exactly, so you kind of have that that's weird,
so a little I was a little judgmental in the
very beginning, which is wrong. And so I said, I feel.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Bad because athletes, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Stop stop. What I said was, I'm gonna feel bad
because I also prejudged the Wags before I met you.
And I said, because I can't relate to a you
can't relate to a beautiful woman. Like, I literally can't
listen to you say that again. Well, I'm just and
maybe it's because, yes, I didn't meet my husband after

(03:47):
his professional career or on the outs of it. But
so when I saw the show, I just didn't relate
to it. And you guys looked all beautiful, and you
guys were really yelling and having all these problems, and like,
how hard can it really be?

Speaker 1 (04:00):
You're married to a I would actually like to tell
you what could be her problem? How long did you
guys date before you got married?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Six years? Thank you? I'm with my boyfriend six years.
Right now, she's got to struggle and I give it
to her. So Nicole, maybe you can help my girlfriend
Sarah out. She gave him an ultimatum that said, she said,
if I don't have the ring by New Year's I'm gone.
It's what month is it here?

Speaker 3 (04:25):
I'm not going anywhere.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
You have to try, right, you got to like light
a fire, well if it were not ready, like I
can go full psycho, but I'm not ready to go full.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Psycho yet, right, So how did you get the ring?

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Please?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Did you wag out?

Speaker 3 (04:39):
I can't.

Speaker 6 (04:40):
I was actually really patient, but until like the last
the last year, like the year he proposed was like
the year where he was like, oh god, she really
wants My thing was, I'm getting older. I want to
start a fan. I'm thirty five. Okay, me too, So
I wanted, oh my god, we could be friends.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
See we have a lot in common already. Okay, same age.

Speaker 6 (05:00):
So I was just like, I want to start a family.
I'm really old fashioned and I don't like things going
backwards on the same.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Right. It's crazy.

Speaker 6 (05:08):
So I'm not I'm not having a baby. I'm not
doing any of that. Saying like we already lived together.
That's bad enough for me because I was like, I
want to do it all in order, so we live together.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
That where are you from Toronto?

Speaker 6 (05:18):
I was born in Newfoundland, so I'm a really small
small town all yeah, and I.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Moved to Toronto at fourteen. I love Toronto. I think
I got okay, So okay, so you want to go
in order ahead? Yeah.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
So I was just like, this is just crazy, Like
we already lived together, we have our first house together,
we've been together for so long. Why are we not
even talking about marriage? But you want to talk about
kids us. All he wants to do is talk about children,
and I'm like, let's come on.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Let's go in order here.

Speaker 6 (05:46):
And finally he actually proposed to me on an episode
of Wags and we got Yeah, we got married on
the season finale.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
So I think that he was just waiting.

Speaker 6 (05:55):
He's he's also he also likes everything to be like
very perfect, not necessarily in order, but when he has
an idea, like he wanted to really make it a
surprise and do it when I'm least expecting it, and
I was. I felt like I was always expecting it,
So he didn't want to like give me, you know,
he didn't want to do it that way.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
So he's like, I'm just gonna wait till she gives up.

Speaker 7 (06:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Literally, that's where I'm not your way out. Honestly, That's
like the thing. Oh my god, did you guys? What
was I mean? Did you trust him the entire time?
So when Larry and I first met.

Speaker 6 (06:28):
I was a little skeptical because he was an athlete,
and I've dated an athlete prior, which sport football, So
I was already like, we already tested that out. So
when I met him, obviously, you know he looks like
a football player. I could already tell Yeah. When we
first met, I was very hesitant, and so it took
about two months for him to get me on a date.

(06:50):
Like we'd text and stuff, but I was like, I'm
newly single. I'm not going back down that road.

Speaker 8 (06:54):
You know.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
They get the stereotype obviously, yes, but then there's also
something that tells you like, oh my god, he seems
like such a great guy.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
He's like a mom is why always time out? Why
are you looking at me like that? You you were
the stereotype like so, and he's looking at me.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
Last week. All right, let's keep it going, baby.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
He's like looking at me like, see, we're not all
like that. You were like that, so don't even give
me that stereotypical mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
Right.

Speaker 6 (07:20):
So we already have a wall up when it comes
to like any athlete, just because of what we see,
what we hear, what we might have been through. So
I did have that wall up, and it was like
a secure wall. So he really had to like take
each brick out one by one. It took like two
months and then I was like, okay, we can go
to dinner. And then you know, I'm just like I
felt like I was judging everything that he did because

(07:41):
I was just so like, you know, you.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Were almost wanting it to not work. Yeah, I was.
I was like, this is just not going to work.

Speaker 6 (07:47):
And I was so against the whole athlete thing, and
I was like, we can be friends. But then he
was just like so different. But then you tell yourself,
You're like, of course he's so different. He wants to
date you. He's gonna like, you know, you're beautiful. Yeah,
So I gave him. I gave him a while before
we started like really dating seriously. I think we met
in like December, and we started seriously dating like the

(08:09):
end of March.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
So he wanted to like introduce me to his mom
right away, and he was like I found it really
cool that, like he just has a sister and his mom.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
So I'm like, maybe he is different.

Speaker 6 (08:19):
He was raised, you know, by women, and he has
a little sister, so he knows how to he knows
how women should be treated.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Start your ring. It's like blindly, Oh I saw it
minutes ago.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
My god, it.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
Is so pretty. Do you how long if he hasn't married,
then we've been married. It'll be two years in May.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Have you guys started the baby making process not yet.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
Actually, which is so weird because I thought when we
got married, i'd be like, Okay, let's go yeah. And
I think even in the season finale Wags, I was like,
all right, do you want to start working on a
baby nouse? You know, everybody was like get married, get married,
and now they're like one of you have them babies,
and I'm like, it's been almost two years. So I
just think that it's all timing right now. Our careers are,
you know, Larry's very busy and I'm very busy, and

(09:05):
we're both traveling a lot, so it's just hard to
like make like a plan to like really go for it.
But I think we're getting more now into let's just
see what happens and let it all happen naturally. But
we're not really like planning it, so we'll see what.
You have a baiting suit line? Now?

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (09:22):
So what inspired you to make a bathing suit line?

Speaker 6 (09:24):
So I've been modeling since I was like twelve years old,
so I was very heavy into fashion and then moving
to LA I was actually living in New York for
seven years and then when I moved to LA's when
I met Larry, and then also when I moved here
because of the weather here, naturally, like the jobs that
I was booking was a lot of swim where, a
lot of.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Beach stuff, a lot of lingerie.

Speaker 6 (09:45):
Like it was just a body, body, body, body, body,
And I wasn't used to that because being in New York,
I was just doing more fashion, more editorial, right, So
I just started noticing, like, swimsuits are not like it's
it's very hard to find something like for every body type,
every size yet, you know, because I was working with
girls who were like skinny and working with you know,

(10:07):
plus size women, and I just found like, I was like,
why don't I just try to like do this. My
mom was a seamstress growing up, so she, you know,
was always sowing all my clothes, making all my Halloween costumes.
And if there was anything that I wanted, my mom
be like, I can make that for you, and she'd
literally get on her sewing machine in and.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Like I'd have an outfit like that.

Speaker 6 (10:27):
So I think a part of watching my mom so
and a part of being you know, a model being
in the fashion world wanted I just wanted to. I
wanted to make something that you know, could make every
girl feel what size do you go up to?

Speaker 2 (10:40):
I go up to a large right now.

Speaker 6 (10:42):
But I'm expanding right now and I want to so
extra small to large now and I want to go
I want to go to like double I think I'm
going to go to double XELF maybe.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
My next collection. That's awesome.

Speaker 6 (10:51):
So yeah, I started off like more sexy and like
more unique pieces that you can wear to like beach
parties and stuff like that, to incorporate it, like wearing
wearing a body suits. And then my I just get
feedback from my customers and I listen to what they
say and what they want and where are you selling
them at? So right now it's online only. Okay, what's
the website?

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Nealynn Collection? So that's n I a l y and
N collection dot com. What is your biggest issue with Larry?
The biggest issue? Jump right? And I just like to
just get real person like the relationships. It's just like
what is it, Like, what do you guys fight about
the most or what just really gets you just pissed
off at him? She's like, where do I start and

(11:36):
then just walk on out?

Speaker 6 (11:37):
No?

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I was just like, did you guys fight a lot?

Speaker 1 (11:38):
When you like did you fight about being married before
you're married, Like I want to get married.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
I want to get married. Yeah, and then and then
you got married in.

Speaker 6 (11:44):
And then I got married, and then I just I'm
so let's just start off, I saying I'm really stubborn.
So he is, like I feel like he's like a genius.
He's the smartest person I know. And anytime he's he
like reads thousands of books. And right now, every time
I feel like he's into a book where he's like,
right now he's reading grain Brain.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Have you heard of that? Okay?

Speaker 6 (12:06):
So now every time I eat something, he's staring in
my face like leave me alone.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Like every time a bottle eat food, okay, he's like
there's gluten in that, and there's this and that. I'm
like okay.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
And anytime he reads something or like learns a new
way of, you know, doing something, he'll like preach and
he'll like sit down and want to teach me and
like preach it to me, and I'm like, can you
please let me learn things on my own? I like, yeah,
it's enough just watching you do the right thing. I
can kind of grasp and want to do it too,
and like follow you. But when he tries to like
show me, like you should do it like this, and

(12:37):
do it this, and you should do this, I'm just like, babe,
oh my god, Like it's just pushing me further and
further from it, Like when you try to force me
to do something. Yeah, that's that's super frust That's definitely
one thing that really pisses me up. I want to
be able to learn on my own. I'm that type
of person. I pick up on whatever like I can.
I feed off of his energy. I watch what he's

(12:58):
doing and it makes me want to do it. But
when he sits me down and tries to like make
me read, like look, I highlighted this in this.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Book, stop and he'll highlight it.

Speaker 6 (13:05):
So now he's gotten to the point where he'll go
to bed and he'll be reading at night. When I
wake up, there's a book on the counter with like
it's all highlighted, So.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
I should stop highlighting rings and giving it.

Speaker 6 (13:14):
Right, He's like, I know you're not going to pick
up a book and read it, so I just highlighted
it and just leave it out and if you feel
like you want to read it, you could read it.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Like, oh my god, So that's there's that. I love that. Well,
you're you're really sweet. Do you drink wine? I drink?
We can be friends for real.

Speaker 6 (13:33):
And Larry just told me yesterday actually that a glass
of red wine a day is really good for.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
You, very good.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yes, yeah, she says it all.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Everybody you know that. It's It's true.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
She's a whine.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Oh Nicole, You're so sweet. I love you. Thank you
for coming on. Everyone, go get her collection again. It's
n I A L Y n N collection dot com.
And you're just what's your Instagram? It's Justice Nick with
two t's. Yeah, love it, Thanks, thank you. Buy.

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Speaker 2 (15:11):
So this next guest, guests, this says how do you
say that? Guests?

Speaker 4 (15:15):
The next guests?

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Okay, the next guests.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
But it's like, as like we asked for risks.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
I'm really our time saying risks because I'm like, it's
it sounds like an echo risks. It's just very strange.
I don't like it. Anyways, I'm gonna be really honest.
I might be a little quiet in this next interview.
Oh great, I'm super triggered.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
Oh oh, I'm not. I want to know everything.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
But I think it's I'm gonna be very I'm I'm
judgmental over it and I'm triggered about it.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Well and speak on that, because it's interesting. When I
was watching that like a primo video, that Toy had
sent one of the couples. I don't remember which one
it was.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
We're talking about sister wives.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yes, one of the couples. Which one was it, but
basically the same kind of deal. The the potential sister
wife and the husband were texting and the wife was
reading their conversation and it basically kind of seemed like
they were sextying a little bit. And the wife was like,
this is this feels like cheating to me? But the

(16:18):
white and the wife was like, I'm not Actually, I
don't think I'm okay with this.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
Was this Dimitrian Ashley?

Speaker 4 (16:23):
No, this was not Dmitrian Ashley. This is another couple.
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
They brought her on board as a wife.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (16:30):
This was just like the teaser for this season. Well,
can you ex play the basics of this. This is
a guy married to multiple women.

Speaker 9 (16:38):
Right now, he's married to Ashley, but Vanessa is here,
and he is courting Vanessa to be the sister wife.

Speaker 8 (16:47):
Right, but the actually sisters, they're just multiple because because legally,
polygamy is not legal in any state.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Right, But so there cannot be another Salt Lake you ta, No,
they know their thing is actually even stricter where you
cannot have a marriage license with another person. But even
in Utah, you cannot have another adult living with you
that has some type of marital relationship with you in
the same house.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Well, then how do they have this TV show?

Speaker 6 (17:13):
Then?

Speaker 2 (17:14):
I'm sorry, I'm I'm so confused.

Speaker 9 (17:17):
Did you all ever watch Big Love? No, it was
an amazingly good show on HBO. I didn't Bill Paxton
or Bill Paxton he did, I know, God rest his soul.
He had three wives and they each had different houses,
all next to each other. But they were always in
fear of getting caught, getting arrested.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
I guess you can arrest it.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Oh, so they don't. They have a TV show. They
have a TV show about this, so the cops can
go to their house. They know what's going on. So
I'm just I'm super confused. Just so I know where
you stand, Sarah, where do you stand on this?

Speaker 1 (17:46):
I'm like, I'm not kidding, I'm just a little confused.
So this man is married to all these women or
he's just dating these women, He's he's.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
Married to one, he's married to Ashley. And then the
whole concept is that they bring in another or female
as another quote unquote wife like acts like a wife,
but legally is not. So that's the thing I want
to ask them. How do they act like what's the
must be a wife? So, but legally they're not. Legally
they're not allowed to be.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Where you stand on this, Michael, what's your stance on it?

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Oh, I don't believe in polygamy?

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Well I have a question for you.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
Though.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
They're basically just having an open affair, So you believe
in closed doors affairs. I'm obviously not anymore. But it's
like an open affair.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
It's like an open relationship because people are consensual. There's
not an affair if it's if she agreed, if Ashley agrees, I'm.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Just being Devil's advocate and I'm being are you.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Words into into aship?

Speaker 2 (18:44):
I'm just being super triggered. So I'm like, oh, okay,
you're you don't agree with this, but you agree with
closed door affairs?

Speaker 4 (18:49):
When did I say agree?

Speaker 3 (18:50):
My heart is racing.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
Agree with you.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
That's because that's what you did. So I'm like, that's what.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
That doesn't mean I agreed with it, but we might
find out that maybe, like one of these girls is like,
I'm not actually down with it.

Speaker 9 (19:02):
I'm gonna get them, but don't feel like you have
to hold back you you want to say maybe with
like a nice tone.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Okay, you guys, my heart is why are you staring
at me like that?

Speaker 4 (19:11):
I'm just looking at you.

Speaker 8 (19:12):
I'm just you're not using a nice tone with your husband.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Oh my god, everybody whoa Okay?

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Sorry, Mark, but I just I get very upset.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
I understand where you're coming from. I get it because
it is I mean, I get it.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
Well.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
I was just saying like, oh, I don't agree with this,
but I'm like, oh, but you agree on doing I'm sorry, Mark,
is this better? Tone?

Speaker 5 (19:33):
You agree?

Speaker 2 (19:34):
But you agree with having an affair on your wife?
That's better?

Speaker 4 (19:41):
What when did I say I agree with Like all
of a sudden, you put words in my mouth. Doesn't
mean I agree with it.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
But you but okay, so but you did it.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Though right, and I was wrong?

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you do the intros. Everyone that just came in.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Thanks, Honny, You're welcome, sweetheart. So now here in the
studio we have Dimitri, Ashley, and Vanessa from Sister Wives
on TLC.

Speaker 10 (21:35):
And it's actually Seeking Sister Wife.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Seeking Sister Wife. I'm sorry, that's another show. Good to know.
You're right, you're redirected the second season of Seeking Sister
Wife Wife.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Okay, So, Dmitri, you are married to Ashley. How long
have you guys? Been married?

Speaker 6 (21:51):
For?

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Nine plus years?

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Nine plus years? Okay? And Vanessa over there you are
wanting to marry her as well. Yeah, so you're gonna
have to like, h educate, educate me because I am
married to my husband and I do not want another
female in our relationship ever.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Which no, just full disclosure. I did have an affair.
There's infidelity in our relationship that was two and a
half years ago with discovery and that we've recovered in
our marriage and relationship. So that's something that we've gone through.
So that added element to this whole situation that Janna
feels a little bit triggered because of the things that
we've been through in our personal relationship. So it's just

(22:39):
interesting to us just because of what we've been through.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yes, so that is where forgive me the tone comes in.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
It's not directed towards any of you.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yes, all, I'm just are you okay with us? Yeah?
Why you signed up for them?

Speaker 11 (22:55):
I studied an anthropology, so I have a completely different outlook
on polygamy as a viable family dynamic.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
It's not emotional for me.

Speaker 11 (23:05):
It's like, I respect and value the communal, feminine centered
family unit. I feel like working with another woman cooperatively
together to raise a family and to create businesses, you know,
build a life together. It's just stronger in my mind,
and I've seen it, you know, in my academic studies,

(23:29):
and I wanted to recreate that for myself.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
And do you guys have kids?

Speaker 3 (23:34):
We do?

Speaker 2 (23:34):
How many kids three, You have three kids, and how
are the kids around us? I mean, is do you
see it? Yeah?

Speaker 11 (23:40):
Yeah, they love having an extra mommy, you.

Speaker 8 (23:44):
Know, around they don't know any different children or when
they're in their native environment, they don't. They don't know,
like you don't know you're broken to people make fun
of you, you know what I mean. So it just
is like you don't have to explain or define monogamy.
You don't have to explain. I mean, you define in
the context everyone else may perceive you, but it's just
it just literally is.

Speaker 11 (24:03):
And they're younger too, so six they news the oldest.
She's six, Nil's four, and then Kannadia is one. So
how do you go about finding Vanessa?

Speaker 6 (24:15):
Like?

Speaker 2 (24:16):
What was what was that? Like, Hey, we're married, do
you want to join in on our marriage? Or how
did that conversation start? I'll answer that, Okay, take it away, Vanessa.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
So kind of a longster, I'll try to keep it short.
Last year sometime I was on Twitter and I saw
this show Seeking Sister Wife trending pretty high, and I
was like, what is this. I've heard of Seeking or
regular sister wives, but you know, Seeking Sister Wives, and
people were talking about this other wife on the show,
and I was like, well, this show sounds juicy. Let

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me check it out. This sounds nuts. So I started
watching it falls to you know, Mormon, white, traditional polygamist families,
and then I see Ashley Dimitri and I was like,
whoa polygamis can look like this? And they seem so
like cool and normal and you know, kind of like me.
But I was still kind of like, you know, polygamies

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for like other people, because I get it, like, you know,
I for what have been cheated on in the past,
and it's the secrecy and the going behind the back
and everything. With this, it's all out in the open,
like she wants me here. And so anyways, I'm kind
of getting off track here. But when I started thinking
about it, I'm like, Okay, Like I love men exclusively,

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but when I live with my friends that are girls,
it's so much fun, Like we have fun and everything.
And I'm like, Okay, with this type of situation, I
could have an awesome husband and an awesome, you know,
best friend to live with who could share motherhood and
all that and have it all in one house.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
So you guys, don't hook up them, no, Okay, no.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
So there's so many questions. I'm trying to get them
all in order. How long? So you guys have been
married almost ten years? When did this? Has this been
from the beginning? You guys have kind of day been
polygamous day one? Yeah, since day zero? And then I mean, yes,
it is day zero. When I met her, I was like,
my name is Dmitri.

Speaker 8 (26:06):
I'm a workaholic, I drool when I'm really tired, and
this is my vision version of the family unit, you
know what I mean. So I didn't want to waste time,
fat off the bone. Let's get straight to it. If
we're going to fail, it's fail fast for sure. Had
that and she didn't say no.

Speaker 11 (26:21):
Okay, And again I didn't say no because it wasn't
new for me. It was something that I had heard
of before, and I just thought it was the universe's
way of playing a little joke, getting me prepared for
this new life that I was going to be living.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
So have you guys had a sister wife before in
y'all's relationship or is this the first time? Like you're
really are you just seeking a new one? Or have
you guys had one in the past?

Speaker 11 (26:43):
I mean We've dated quite a bit over the years.
We had a lot of growing to do, a lot
of mistakes to make figuring, you know, things out more the.

Speaker 10 (26:52):
Mistakes on my side, you know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (26:53):
It's just you know, this is this thing where you
have to buifur kate like the immaturity of being a guy,
right versus like a functioning adult relationship.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
For sure, it's going to be my question, how did
you look at it? Not as cheating or you know
what I mean? Like how were you like this? Like
do you have other partners or is it just him?

Speaker 3 (27:15):
And then how is that? I would be like, well, wait,
well I.

Speaker 8 (27:17):
Don't just come home with a chick and say like,
well here you go, like just make it work like
it's a consensus.

Speaker 11 (27:22):
Well initially he was like you fine, And that was
hard because you know, the shows weren't out yet. People
weren't aware of this even being a real thing outside
of a book. So it was like you find her.
And then I was like, well, I don't know how
to talk to girls, Like how do I.

Speaker 8 (27:40):
You know, because women know women better than men. We
just doing our threshold and requirements are this big. Doesn't
take a lot for a man, just just be alive
and we're happy, you know what I mean. And I'm
being consertious, but like, and.

Speaker 11 (27:52):
I've had I've had women that were more interested in me,
and I'm like, well, that's not gonna work.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
And that's how I feel like it would be so
hard to be like I.

Speaker 11 (28:00):
Just yeah, yeah, I mean and then or if the
woman was more interested in him, yeah, because I'm.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Super jealous, so I would go absolutely.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
Well, I could do too, And so how did you like? Well?

Speaker 3 (28:16):
So here here it is for me. And this is
a testament to Ashley because coming in as this second woman,
it's kind of like, oh easy, you know, she built
this whole family and life and children. I can't imagine
being the first wife and doing that and then being
open arms to me. So that's how gracious she is.
I'm just kind of like, oh, here I am paying

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love me kids, Hey, guys, you know it's it's been
so much easier for me.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
So are you gonna have kids with Dmitri? I mean
I would love to and you would be okay with
that absolutely? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (28:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (28:49):
Did the TV element make this way easier? I would
think that a little bit of fame, a little bit
of notoriety. I'm sure you've got haters, but like having
more public did that make it easier.

Speaker 11 (29:02):
You mean to find easier to find or easier to.

Speaker 9 (29:05):
Sort of live in a society that maybe isn't as
accepting of this.

Speaker 8 (29:10):
Well, I think it's it's probably if you try affect
it out. Everyone's got their different perspective. For me, it
never matted it just because I just it just is
like I'm going to live this way regardless. I don't
need your approval, I don't need your your confirmation like
this is what's going to happen. So no, it didn't
make it. It didn't change anything in per se. It
brought more awareness to it, and quite frankly, probably more scrutiny.

(29:32):
So I have to not really defend but educate. If
people really want to understand why and what, then it's
more that conversation has been brought forward.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
What tells you to have that mindset of this is
what a family dynamic looks like for you guys. I
actually you said you studied anthropology and everything, But for Dimitri, like,
what was it? Was it your upbringing? Was it religious beliefs?
Is it just something you realized on your own.

Speaker 8 (29:53):
Yeah, something I've realized on my own, not religious solve
to spiritual. There's him her, They out there for sure
doing it. For me, it's about feminine centricity. I feel
like the the ability to take care and labor this
real world is the man is the job of a man,
you know what I mean. I think women should be

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able to express their creative freedom. So if I can
take care of you know, work and bills and all
that good jazz, they can birth epic things. And that
could be in a form of children, of course, or
it could be in the context of companies or projects
or just passion, projects.

Speaker 10 (30:26):
Could be whatever.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
What if she wanted to have another man?

Speaker 8 (30:31):
Yeah, so I mean, and she can speak to this
as well, right for us? I mean that changes the dynamic.
This is how this is well because what we're doing
is called polygamy or polygyny polygyny specific specifically, if we
have another man, it would change to polyandry or polyamory,
so they're different relational constructs. We agreed to and understood
that we're going to do polygamy, so one masculine energy,

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multiple feminine energies, and if that changes, that's fine. We'll
probably cry and scream and just part of ways that's
not what we initially.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
But if she just wants to, like because if you
get to sleep with two women, if she wants to
go out and have a you know, screw another dude,
why why is that a problem that she's not going
to mess up that scenario. But if I mean, if
you're getting it, I feel like that's a little Well.

Speaker 11 (31:12):
It depends on the relationship, as Deme truth saying, like,
for our relationship specifically, we signed up for the feminine
aspect of it, and me personally, I'm not interested in
another guy. I believe that feminine energy builds and creates,
whereas masculine energy is destructive.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
And that's why when you put a bunch of men
in a room, they usually toush it up.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
You know.

Speaker 11 (31:32):
It's like, so that's not what I'm into, and so
it just it wouldn't work for our family dynamic. That
does not mean that it's not possible for other people
to live that way.

Speaker 8 (31:45):
It's just not you know, and it's not about parent
it's not about sexual parody either. It's not like, well,
you get to have sex with exce and so I
want sex with Why Like that's not the it's not
the measure to say, well, you get to have someone
so I could have some too, or if you don't,
there's a disparity.

Speaker 10 (31:58):
Now, that's not you know, that's not how you are
in ours in our relationships.

Speaker 11 (32:02):
Some people do measure that way. They're like everything needs
to be equal.

Speaker 7 (32:05):
You know, yeah, like if you did a then I
get to do be What was the hardest I'm sure,
like you said, Charle and Err, throughout the last nine
ten years of y'all's relationship to figure this out and
to try to figure out the boundaries on what you
both need to make this successful.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
What has been the hardest obstacle along with that that
has kind of repeated itself and kind of making this
a successful relationship between the three of you. I'm sure
there's more than one.

Speaker 8 (32:31):
I mean, the hottest pot is from the man's perspective,
is getting past because so like we started off with
her trying to find the woman, then I would try
to find her, and then we I would be attracted
to the woman, and she's like no, diuicce, like this
is she does not fit, is not going to work.
Or again she might have an attraction, but you know,
a different type of attraction to the woman, and I'm like,
I'm that interested.

Speaker 10 (32:51):
She drives me nuts.

Speaker 8 (32:52):
So how do you reconcile you know, these wants and
desires into a single person and aggregate that in a
way that's gonna, you know, work for like, yes to come.
So I think to answer your question, the challenges from
me in particular were just being able to move and
lockstep with her, not move ahead of her. Again as
a guy, you you win? I mean again, we were competitive.

(33:12):
So like I'm trying to, you know, let you know
that you're good, you're taking care of I can pay
your bills and you know everything's taken you know. So
how do you do that without pre selling the woman
or getting her all jazzed up and she's not even
there yet?

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Like, yeah, that's definitely hard.

Speaker 11 (33:26):
And I do think too, like knowing what your boundaries
are and what you'll accept and the things that will
make or break your relationship, I don't think you really
know those initially until you actually start trying.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Right, Yeah, So that's why a lot of relationships have failed.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
So what is Vanessa?

Speaker 2 (33:44):
What is y'all status?

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Right now? We're dating, so you're just dating and you guys,
but you two lived together or no, YouTube lived together?

Speaker 4 (33:51):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (33:52):
Do you just like live next door?

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Are you down the street or do you live in
the house as well?

Speaker 3 (33:57):
I am visiting?

Speaker 2 (33:59):
So okay, yeah, I mean do you want to get
married to her?

Speaker 4 (34:03):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Okay, isn't that illegal?

Speaker 8 (34:05):
Well, so we don't believe in state recognized marriage, Like
I don't need a piece of paper to ratify my marriage, right,
her last name is mine. We got all the financial
instruments and legal instruments in place that I expire and
all the good jazz.

Speaker 10 (34:17):
That's no different.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Well how does that keep Vanessa safe?

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Then?

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Like, let's say, like crap goes down if you say
you're married to her, but then hey, nothing's on paper.
You can't really take that to the court.

Speaker 8 (34:25):
Well you can, so then you leverage those fiscal and
legal instruments. So again, she changed her last name, she
can have her own insurance policy, she's got I mean,
she's got her account. Like there's literally your marriage certificate
just makes it the paper trail shorter into a single document.
I have to have a couple more documents. But she
has the same exact power you would.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
So you guys, couldn't go to jail for what you're
doing then because.

Speaker 10 (34:43):
We're not legally married.

Speaker 8 (34:45):
That's big of me and no ca Okay, So for
since we've been Claire since day zero, like we're not
legally married, but again she has my legal last name.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Gotcha.

Speaker 10 (34:53):
You can do whatever you want.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Yeah, And so that's how we.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
Protect ourselves for sure.

Speaker 10 (34:57):
Legally.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
What is your parents saying, Vanessa?

Speaker 3 (35:01):
So unfortunately my father passed away from ten years ago.
That's okay. But so my first trip to go out
to see them, my mom and stepmom took me out
to dinner for my birthday, and so I grew up
with my mom and stepmom being extremely close. My stepmom
is an amazing woman, So I always felt like I
had like sister wives mothers, you know. So when I

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told them, I wasn't gonna tell. At first, I was like,
I'm gonna go visit them, but it could be nothing,
so I won't. But then I was like, you know,
I'll just tell them. Yeah, And they're so lovely and
open minded. They're both hippies and they're like, this is wonderful,
this is a great La.

Speaker 11 (35:33):
La.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Where are you from?

Speaker 3 (35:35):
I'm born in New Jersey but grew up in Seattle.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Wow, okay, yeah, and what were you looking for going
into this? Did you have like a clear mindset on
what why you wanted to get into this kind of
relationship and what was it? And Dmitri and Ashley that's like, okay,
I had this could work with them.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah. So you know, like I was saying earlier, before
I got track, I watched the show and then I
was like, about four episodes in, I was like, they
community hate so well, they're so lovely, Like something's got
to be off here. Let me do some investigating. And
I found some Dmitri's Instagram and so I'm like looking
through his photos and I'm like, okay, this is his
real wife and children and liking some photos. He said,

(36:13):
I like thirty photos. I like like five phots. I
would never do that, not that extra.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
So then.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
The next day he had written on one of my
pictures and we started talking and then he direct messaged
me and kind and he's like, you know, because I
was like, oh, I love you and Ashley I'm a fan,
and he's like, you know, thank you so much for
the kind words. He's like, there's been a lot of
backlash for the show. He's like, I told Ashley, we
find our forever wife after this, she'll be a keeper.
So at that point, I was like, is he fishing

(36:44):
for me right now? Like this sounds like he's I'm like, well,
you know, hanging there, you guys are wonderful. You'll find
someone on your saf same wavelength. Like I don't share,
but you know, good luck to you.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
And then I was like out check.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
But as I'm saying this, I'm like, man, Like, you know,
I just just could tell I had a vibe with him.
But I was just kind of like whatever, he started
following me, I started following him. I'm watching the show
as the week's progress, and the finale last year, they
go on a date with this woman, this lovely woman,
to do this painting thing and have some wine, and
the woman's kind of being really quiet and awkward. And

(37:16):
I'm watching with my friend and I'm like, why is
she being so quiet? Like if I was there, we'd
be having wine, we'd be painting at the best time.
And I just kind of had this epiphany. I was like, well,
am I being close minded here? Like what could I be?
Like who they're looking for? Like what you know what
am I afraid of?

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Here?

Speaker 3 (37:31):
What am I like so against? And I'm like, this
could be everything I didn't always everything I didn't know
I always wanted in a way, And so I was like,
you know what. It was a couple weeks later later,
but I was like, I'm just gonna write them back
just you know, maybe they found somebody. Maybe I'm just
gonna just talk to them. So I slipped back into
his DMS, and then then we all started talking and
it was just like magic, just.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
So there's no jealousy at all. It's like he's starting
to like you more or vice versa, or I mean
there's not you don't have any of jealousy and any
of y'all's bones. No, I don't don't.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah, it's not like I said, I used to be
very jealous person. But that was like, cause it's it's
such a different dynamic when you're dating in monogamy and
in that sense, like we're all so close in friends
and we talk about everything. The way they communicate, that's
what I what I saw. I was like, that's what's
missing in my life with it that level of communication
and honesty and openness in a relationship. If everybody communicated

(38:25):
the way they did, there would be this is a place,
would be a better world. And so I was like,
I want in on this. And it's been a hard struggle.
It it's not easy, but I'm looking forward to hopefully progressing,
you know, with them.

Speaker 10 (38:38):
It's like you did in monogamy.

Speaker 8 (38:40):
You can kind of hide, right because you can have
I mean, people have whole other relationships outside as we know,
right in monogamy, but like I enjoy the pressure, I
can't hide, like I have to be vulnerable. And by
the way, in context to what makes her specifically her
and same as her, so she has her own way
that she communicates how we communicate.

Speaker 10 (38:59):
She has a different way.

Speaker 8 (39:00):
I can't like copy this love plan atop either of
these women and make, you know, expect it to work.
I have to be up front. I have to be claire,
I have to be concise. But I don't understand. We
have to talk about it. So regardless of the challenges
and how hard it's been, like we just we own it,
like we just cut this gets straight to it, like
let's get to the business.

Speaker 10 (39:17):
And so there's no space for jealousy.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
I mean, why would you want two women though, I
mean I'm enough wife for him.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Like learning how to communicate with two different ones.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
God, I'm like it's impossible for yeah, it's like that's
I mean, jez Louise.

Speaker 10 (39:31):
Yeah, I just again, I love the pressure. I love
that it makes.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Me better, Like I have to do you want another one?
Like how many? How many do you want?

Speaker 8 (39:38):
Yeah, there's no magic number, there's not a goal, right,
and quite frankly, it's up to them, right, So if
Vanessa actually comes home when we make this work and
it's like it is what it is, what you're moving
on that path, then it's up to them, you know.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
I don't know why. I mean, I get that, but
at the same time, like, man, you're like reaping every
single benefit. See that's what That's what most people think,
where I'm just like, he's just the guy that like
he's like yeah, but what else? Well yeah, but what
guy doesn't want that? But have different partners and have sex?
I know'd on me wanted to, you know, like come on,

(40:12):
it's like what but for now you do open? Sorry,
but like now you get to be like open about it,
you know.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
But I used to think the same thing because I've
seen the Sister Wife shows on I'm like, okay, that's
for them, Okay, But then I'm like, well, I've been
looking at this all wrong. Like on paper, yes, it
looks like the guy has everything, but honestly, I think
Ashley and I get more out of it than Dimitris.
Sometimes I kind him bad for him, like you know,

(40:40):
but you'll see if the show progresses hopefully and as
if we progress that it's you know, there's just something
about you'll just have to see. I think actually I
get more out of it than him.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Well.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Please. The second season of Seeking Sister Wives airs every
Sunday on t l C at ten pm Central. What
can our listeners.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
PM Eastern specific look at? I have Eastern time? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (41:12):
Well who put ten? Yeah? Where without women in my life?
Right here? So ten?

Speaker 2 (41:22):
So you guys have to watch? What can we Vanessa
is gonna What can we expect?

Speaker 4 (41:26):
What can we expect in the second season moving forward?
What can everyone expect to see? Anything? Anything?

Speaker 2 (41:36):
I'm going to watch because I really like you and
I'm warming up to you, to you, Dmitri, and I
can hear all You're just like, I bow down to you. Miss,
so thank you so much. You guys for coming on
the show.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Thank you. That was who wants to start?

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Clearly you probably do.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
No, No, I'll wait. I'd like to hear what you like.
I don't know. I wrote some notes, Sarah.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
I did because what I really can knock it over
because I'm so competitive that I know you are too.
Who's better in the bedroom? Honestly, I just wanted to
be like, all right, ladies, like, how are you keeping
it spicy?

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Like it's competition?

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Essentially he's sleeping with both.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
I see why, especially in this kind of are you
taking your wedding ring off?

Speaker 2 (42:29):
You literally just took your wedding.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
Ring off all I hand sanitizer than under my ring
and anyways, I can see why in polygamy, when the
is a single male and multiple female, I can see
why women on the outside would just think of it as, oh,
it's just all about the sex. I see that. That's

(42:51):
how our society kind of thinks about it. Just hearing
them talk, I can see I don't personally believe this.
I can see why maybe there's more of a some
more of a it's more to it than just sex.
I can I get. That's all I don't know how
to explain it. I can just see how they have
like an understanding and where it's more than just that.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Didn't you think that.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
As Ashley was like way more like calm and de mirror.
I almost kind of felt like she was like and
then Vanessa was like kind of being like, yeah, it's hard,
it's but I felt like I was getting like.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
Vanessa very she's Vanessa's new to.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
It herself, very comfortable, very you know, that's just but
it's almost like.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
She didn't step off once, Like she didn't even say
one like thing that was like.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
Yeah, because they've been doing it for nine ten years,
but like there's.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
A lot of things people have been doing for nine
or ten years that are still weak, Like.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, but you can tell that she's that's just her thing,
that that's you know, she's she's comfortable to never.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Want someone else, to never have temptation to never Yeah,
that's a little because.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
It's for them. It's it's even though they did and say,
excuse me, it was anything religious, it's still a spiritual
belief of like what they think the family dynamic is.
So it's just like if you tell a Mormon or
a Christian or whatever that something about their religion they're
not Just because it might not make sense to other
people doesn't mean like that's just what they believe in.

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So if polygamy is what they believe in, that's what
they choose to believe, then they're okay with that.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
What do you believe in, Michael, monogamy?

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Really? Question?

Speaker 6 (44:29):
Mark, Mark, Mark, I.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Just turned my mic off.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
I just think there's always a favorite, Like, there's always
a favorite, no matter what.

Speaker 9 (44:41):
Ways, when you guys walked out for a second, Mark
and I were talking about Big Love. The first wife
is always in like what I call pole position. She
always has like a little more Jews, a little bit
more bossise.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
She's the boss. What you guys need to watch Big Love?

Speaker 1 (44:56):
And then I come back to me, I feel like
there's always a favorite.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
So back on, Michael, why are you mad at me?

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Oh no, that comment was a little wait. I believe
in monogamy, and you're like really.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah, really, come on, well come on if you really
believed in.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
So I can never say. I can never say the
rest of my life, I believe in monogamy.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Okay. I was making a joke.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
Jokes to an a certain extent. That was not a joke.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Well, yes it was.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
I left.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Well, she said before this was obviously going to be
really triggering for her, right.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
But the jabs, the jabs, like, come on, I'm just saying, like,
we can we like I want to be able to
talk about this stuff and not feel like I can't
say anything without being being jabbed every time. That's all
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
I'm sorry that I see that, and I'm sorry that
for both of you, and I'm sorry that it's triggering,
and I apologize that you're upset and it's triggering for you.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
I'm sorry I jabb do you. I didn't mean to jab.
I was making a joke, but is very triggering when
you say that that's what you believe in, but yet
you don't live that.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
I do live that.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
You didn't live that, Okay, then that's different.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Okay, saying I don't live that and I didn't live
that is totally different. Okay, currently presently, for the last
two and a half years, I live that.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Okay, sounds good.

Speaker 9 (46:23):
Sometimes, Michael, I'm just gonna throw one thing in there.
A humor or sarcasm can be a way of healing.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
Oh, I know that so sometimes, but it's also can
be your way of hiding feelings behind something.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Well, my feeling is I'm like, well, don't say that.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
What would you rather say? What do you believe in? Michael?
I believe that.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
I was a piece of No I would have said, like,
I know you might not believe it's because of my past,
but I believe it. You know, it's just a triggering situation.
But I would like to say, though, wouldn't it be
easier just to have done that instead? Like I mean,
is something where you could and you.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
Could do that because I didn't know we were talking
about us. I thought we were talking about the people
in here, and you just asked me a question, what
do you believe in? My personal belief is monogamy? Right, Yes,
I didn't live by that, right, So that's just triggering.
I understand that.

Speaker 5 (47:16):
I believe you, Michael, I believe you.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
I believe me.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
Yeah, I believe you too.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Okay, everyone looked at me.

Speaker 5 (47:23):
I'm just staying silent in the corner. But like, oh,
I think is sing.

Speaker 9 (47:26):
I think it's interesting and I think that, like I
respect you guys so much for being willing and open
and be open like that, and yes, we're going to
have you know, difficult interviews like that where it does
trigger and then it becomes so interesting and.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
Janna's so open, like she's so.

Speaker 9 (47:46):
You know, letting it out.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
I think that it was a joke, but there was
like it was your way of being funny but also hurting.
And he gets that because I'm the same way I
make jokes and I'm uncomfortable. Yeah, but it obviously hurt.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Yeh.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Yes, I'm sorry that you were triggered, okay, and that
these past feelings came up for you, and I can
understand why they would.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Okay, I'm shutting down. No.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Now i feel like I'm like in preschool and I'm like, okay,
you apologize.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Now, you apologize. I did apologize. I said, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
Okay, that's her.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Now make eye contact with them.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
My question is like, what happens now?

Speaker 9 (48:28):
Because I like them, you know, my heart is breaking
a little bit for both of you, because Janna's emotional
and Michael's emotional and.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
It's so raw. So what happens now?

Speaker 9 (48:36):
Is this where we go sideways and then like you guys,
hold on to it. Is there any way to like
talk a little bit more and then really let go
and be okay when.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
You walk out of the room, Well, how much time
do we have whatever you met? No, I just again,
I just when you say that that's what you believe
and then you didn't do it, that's just very triggering.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
What would you, okay, calmly and realistically, what would you
rather me say? And now? Moving forward? In situations like that,
is it something where.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
You acknowledge the past and the pain?

Speaker 4 (49:07):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (49:07):
I think how much longer is he gonna have to
acknowledge the past in the pain? That was my next question, like, like,
I'm like, obviously, come on, but you know, for a
little bit longer you what will make you feel better?

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Maybe for a long time?

Speaker 8 (49:24):
I think so, yeah, And I think that's okay, and
that's okay. And I think that you both know that
and that's okay, right, and I and I do I agree,
I do know that, and I think that is okay.
There are there some instances where I would like to
just when we're talking about someone or something else where
I would like to just say what I believe in
without having to go into a backstory of hey, I'm sorry,
blah blah blah, blah, But this is my opinion on

(49:46):
something like at times, am I going to want to
be able to do that?

Speaker 4 (49:48):
Sure? Absolutely? Maybe with this I should have been more
conscious of it being so triggering and acknowledged that, so
I apologize sincerely. I do.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Okay, Okay, I'm sorry that I made a joke trigger
that was a little harsh Sarah's class.

Speaker 9 (50:07):
Yeah, I think I think neither of you needs to
apologize for how you both felt.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 9 (50:12):
Like the joke maybe whatever you can apoloize for that,
Michael can apologize for, like maybe not staying more calm
or centered from the joke, but like what you both
feel is so real, And I acknowledge your emotions here
and you both deserve to have them.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (50:29):
And I do believe Mike Well.

Speaker 8 (50:31):
I believe that he currently is current mode is one
hundred percent in on monogamy.

Speaker 10 (50:36):
I don't believe in wance. A cheater always a cheater.
I think we can grow from our mistakes.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
Thank you, Mark Wow, I agree.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
I agree with that too.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
We all agree on some.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Evolution.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
What is it? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
We're growing, We're growing, We're growing.

Speaker 9 (50:55):
Nothing feels more appropriate right now, than a commercial.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
Wow, thank god?

Speaker 4 (51:10):
All right, Mark, can you read couples too far? Yeah?

Speaker 8 (51:12):
This is light in the mood I think From Haley.
This is an email sent to Jenna Kramer at iHeartMedia
dot com. What are your thoughts on couples who don't
fart in front of each other or talk about their
bathroom time? I think that it's weird. Our friends are
getting married and her soon to be a husband has
never farted in front of her. He's never, he never has.
I get trying to keep some mystery and trying to

(51:33):
impress the other person. But going through life and always
holding your farts and not ever truly relaxing sounds not
so fun.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
That's me has tie fight. Wait, you've never farted in
front of time?

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Okay, let me tell you something really funny. No, I
mean he's had a little slip ups, but I just
like die laughing and then like we don't, like I
can't focus on anything for the rest of the day.
But literally four years in four years in we're in
New York, every time I had to go to the
bathroom or do anything, I was running downstairs to Starbucks.
He literally thought I was having an affair because I
was like, I'll be right back.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
I was going to I was like, not happening.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
I've never been I never.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
Went in a public restroom. Oh, I was a fact that.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
I was doing loops.

Speaker 5 (52:07):
I'm running like up.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Where are you serious that you've never farted in front
of him or took a poopy in the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Well, things are getting complicated now that we lived together.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Those people at the Stars, we ever heard you fart?

Speaker 5 (52:21):
No?

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (52:22):
No, I mean, don't let Janet fool you. It's it's
drew and far between with her. She just like went
out the other day. She no, no, she was seeing
it right behind me at the desk.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Thought it was going to be silent.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
I was just like she was holding Jays and she's
like Jays.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
I'm like, yeah, okay, I thought I was going to
be silent. Remember the first time I fired in front
of you.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
First time she farted, we were in a hotel. Who
knows what city I was.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
I think we were in Texas.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
Yeah, and she far the same thing. She thought it
was gonna be silent. It was the first time I
heard her fart. When we started dating. I had it
on camera and I videoed. I was video she was
like hiding herself off in the corner.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Like I thought, yeah, because he the way he looked
at me, I was just like I read hid in
the corner.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
I had a room in college who literally thought was
their thing. They would sit on top of each other
and fart on each other, and that was not happening.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Now this guy, I mean, he farts all the time now.
But that stings.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
But that's like for a guy, at least just for me.
When you get to that point of in a relationship,
it's so like it's like, oh, it's like I made it,
you know, and thinking about dating all over again. If
you think about dating all over again, it's like I
gotta go through the whole process. No, I don't think
they like get to the point where I can fart
in front of her.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I just think I mean, if I farted in front
of you all the time, I mean, wouldn't you if
that's not sexy, you know what? It would be gross?
Like we have to And so sometimes I wish that
you wouldn't fart as much because I'm like, don't you
want me to be attracted to you?

Speaker 4 (53:50):
And you walk in You know what's funny right now
is that Joli knows the word fart. So I was
changing her in the middle of the night. The other night,
I took her diver off, but another one on. So
she was naked from the waist down and she farted,
and she goes, oops, I fart.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
She doesn't know how to add the eted. Oh, I fart,
and so like IM far in front of her, so like,
mommy fart.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
It's hilarious say that.

Speaker 8 (54:17):
Yeah, so I do have one more email that it's fascinating.
All right, this one takes some real turns that I
did not expects.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Like a rude.

Speaker 8 (54:26):
Lindsey says, I've been married to my husband for six
years and we have a five and a half year
old daughter, but I'm not sure I love him. I
thought it might be because I like girls. My husband
and I decided to try a threesome with another woman.
They go, I have never really been about sex, and
to be honest, I enjoyed the threesome, but I still
felt like, eh, whatever, I never really want sex, and

(54:48):
I'm I'm not sure I have ever been in love.
What if I'm not capable of loving someone? Is there
something I can do? Should I divorce my husband and
leave my child in a separate household. Oh boy, there's
a lot going on here.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
That's a lot. I'll start with the beginning. I feel
loveless marriage.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
I think it's a good place to start, Sarah.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
I think loveless marriage is common. A lot of people
maybe stay with their Why are you looking at me
like that? I'm sorry you, Mark and I are both
looking at you like that.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
I am not.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
I have a lot of friends who say that they've
fallen out of love with their spouse and that they
stay with them just for the kids.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
I hate that.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Wow, you Mark, you're happy you love your wife. People
falling in and.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
Too, But that.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Makes me sad. I think people can go in and
out of love. Yea, And I think that's some of
my friends. I think have felt that, and they you know,
but they stay because they have kids and I, you know,
I know, I've you know, so I can see her saying,
but I've also loved my husband and you like sometimes
what and I do? Yes?

Speaker 1 (55:56):
While because didn't she say she doesn't like suck?

Speaker 8 (55:58):
Yeah, she never really wants it, she's never been in love.
She thought maybe women nah, like it doesn't sound.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Like I wonder it sounds like she's on like pills
or something like that, depressed, like she doesn't.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Have it's like she loves her like obviously.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
I would say, yeah, to get off. If you're on anything,
I would talk to your doctor and get something a
little lighter that you can have more emotion.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
I wonder, I wonder if she knows what her love
languages are, just because language that could be interesting for
someone who like you said that. You guys are saying,
like she seems numb. We'll find out how you register love.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, and if it's not him, then you don't want
to stay in a loveless marriage forever. That's just no.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
But if she educates herself on that and then tells
her husband, hey, this is how I receive love, give
it a time, Give it a time to for him
to trial that and be like, if he's doing those
things and she still doesn't feel it, Mark is.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Just like that was a very evolved response from.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Jesus.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Thank you. Yeah, maybe he does believe in monogamy after all.
Who thought no?

Speaker 2 (57:02):
But that that is that is a very point, honey,
That is a very very evolved therapeutic response. I bet
if they talk to.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Each other he'd probably be like, yeah, you know, I
kind of get it. I can feel like you don't
love me, and.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
This is what I this is how I would like
to receive love sounds.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
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Speaker 8 (57:38):
What do we forget to talk about using Mike's razor?

Speaker 2 (57:41):
What is wrong with that?

Speaker 4 (57:42):
You know, it's really funny about this though. I'm glad
you brought up here because yesterday you showered first I did,
and I was gonna ask you. I saw. I looked
in the shower and my razor it looked like it
was turning. It was turned a different way.

Speaker 5 (57:53):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
I know you didn't because and I started. But what's crazy?
I almost brought this up to you. I started feeling
like anxious, like angry because it's something small. She didn't
end up. I ended up seeing her razor that she
brought into the bathroom because it wasn't there before. But
like these razors are expensive, Like I I have a
strategic amount of times that I use one razor because

(58:15):
I mean, I shave my face. I shave my head
like a ball guy. We use it a lot, a lot.
So to know that she might use that and use
it areas and I put it on my face, it really,
it really does give me anxiety, Like it really does
bother me.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Why does it bother you that I shave my huha
and then you put it on your face.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry because.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Inside it's just it's just there.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
If you shave your legs, even if you shave your
legs and then I shave.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
My legs are cleaner than your face, it's not.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
It's just still it's still your skin and bacteria.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
It's still those things. Just like I'm dirty, Okay, it's
very I just.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
Like, just like I would like to use my towel,
but yesterday I used my towel, so I had to
use your towel.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
When you get out of the shower, you're clean, Michael, I.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
Still like use my towel. I'm sorry, it's just what
I like to I like to use my towel. I
like to use my razor. I like to use my tea.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Are you I don't ever want to use your tooth brush.
That's disgusting. That's like you you're getting like steak out
of your teeth. But when you get out of a shower,
when you get out of a shower, you are physically clean,
unless you don't wash your body with soap.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
All right, just picture this picture. I use your towel
and I'm clean. I'm wiping up my butt, cleaning everything,
drying it all off. And guess what next time you,
Next time you shower, you take that same part of
the towel. Little do you know, that's where my butt was,
and you wipe it up. You're drying your face were
clean or not, that's a food for thought.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Well, if it's clean, I don't care. Okay, you make
me go down there anyway.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
So I got no in that game this season. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
We're done.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Oh my god,