WAGs and Sister Wives

Jana experiences a truly triggering interview when she talks to Dimitri, Ashley & Vanessa from Seeking Sister Wife on TLC. They try to clear up Jana’s confusion, and explain how this family unit works for them. But Jana and Mike cannot understand how jealousy doesn’t affect their relationship. And we hang out with Nicole Williams, wife of former NFL player Larry English, about her life on WAGS. She lets us in on her husband’s transition from professional sports to retired life, and what effect that had on their marriage. And Jana starts to realize that she might actually be a WAG herself! Plus, we settle a HUGE razor debate going on in Jana and Mike’s bathroom. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wine Down with Jane Kramer and I heard radio podcast
Sarah's back hood was just we have too much fun.
It was to handle, too hot to handle. I mean,
we have a very hot show today too, because I'm
staring at a picture of Nicole Williams. She's hot. She
let us to move this paper away from you, bib. Sorry,

(00:24):
she's a wag. Which, by the way, I'm going to
feel bad again. So I remember how last week I
felt like I was judging. Yeah, I felt bad for judging. Well,
I never watched Wags because I was just like, oh
my god, these these professional athlete wives have so much problems,
like so many problems in their life that I'm just said,
I don't know, but I'm excited to meet her. Weren't
you a professional athlete wife? Am? I? Like? So confused?

(00:49):
At I just wanted to make sure it wasn't absolutely
losing my marbles because I haven't like I don't have
a coffee. But but I mean, no, you know what
I mean, actually don't Oh Sarah, Wait wait wait, I'm confused.
Wait you don't think that you're I'm so confused. Yes,
I am the wife of a football player, but former yes, so,

(01:14):
but I just never like, when I saw the Wags,
I'm like, you know, there, they look different than me.
I'm and she just walked in. She looks different than me.
She's you know, so what is happening him? Nicole Williams good?
How are you? So? I basically just got called out.
She literally just tried to sit here and say, I

(01:35):
just like, can't you know, I don't understand, like I
felt like I couldn't relate to the to the Wags
because but then Sarah just goes, yeah, but you're you.
You were wive and girlfriend of your flag. But I
just but again, you even saw the show and you

(01:57):
rolled your eyes. Don't mine now about what wags the girls.
I'm not worried about that. I'm still suck on the
whole situation, really offended that you don't consider him a prox.
I know at the end of our relationship, I'll still playing,
but I still play. I know, so, Okay, fine, I'm
a wag, but I just like, okay, we're like what

(02:18):
they like it own it. I'm a wag. Well, Larry
doesn't play anymore. So I'm a former. Oh you're former too, Okay,
I guess I just you guys just seem like just
so beautiful and look at you, Oh she gave birth

(02:38):
like a minute ago to oh my god. And he
likes to tell everyone, are you still on wigs? No
shows is done. We did three seasons and now did
you have fun? Yeah? It was fun, it was good.
It was a great experience. How are the girls? See?
I just feel like I couldn't relate to those girls.
Maybe that's why to see you seem really sweet, and
so that's my whole point. Let me just circle back

(02:59):
around here. My whole point was at last week, I
maybe had judged one of the people we had on
the show because she was dating. She found her partner
while he was in prison, so so exactly, so you
kind of have that that's weird, so a little I
was a little judgmental in the very beginning, which is wrong.
And so I said, I feel bad because were these

(03:19):
women date athletes? I don't know or stop stop. What
I said was I'm gonna feel bad because I also
pre judged the wags before I met you. And I said,
because I can't relate to I can't can't relate to

(03:41):
a beautiful woman like I literally can't listen to you
say that again. Well, I'm just and maybe it's because, yes,
I didn't meet my husband after his professional career or
on the outs of it. But so when I saw
the show, I just didn't relate to it. And you
guys looked all beautiful, and you guys really yelling and
having all these problems, and like, how hard can it
really be? Like you're married to a I would actually

(04:03):
like to tell you what could be her problem? How
long did you guys date before you got married? Six years?
Thank you? With my boyfriend's six years right now, she's
that's a struggle and I'll give it to her. So Nicole,
maybe you can help my girlfriend Sarah out. She gave
him an ultimatum. That's that. She said, If I don't
have the ring by New Year's I'm gone. It's what

(04:23):
month is it? I'm not going anywhere. You have to try, right,
you gotta like light a fire, were not ready, Like
I can't go full psycho, but I'm not ready to
go full psycho yet, right, So how did you get
the ring? Please? Did you wag out? I can't. I
was actually really patient, but until the last the last year,

(04:44):
like the year he proposed was like the year where
he was like, oh god, she really wants My thing was,
I'm getting older, I want to start a fen. I'm
thirty five, okay too, so I wanted, oh my god,
we could be friends, have a lot in common already. Okay, same.
So I was just like, I want to start a family.
I'm really old fashioned and I don't like things going
backwards and right. It's crazy. So I'm not I'm not

(05:09):
having a baby. I'm not doing any of that. Say like,
we already lived together. That's bad enough for me, because
I was like, I want to do it all in order.
So we lived together that where are you from Toronto?
Well I was born in Newfoundland, so I'm a really
small small town. Yeah, and I moved to Toronto at fourteen.
I love Toronto, I think. Okay, so okay, so you

(05:30):
want to go in order? Yeah? So um, I was
just like this is just crazy, Like we already lived together,
we have our first house together, we've been together for
so long. Why are we not even talking about marriage?
But you want to talk about kids that all he
wants to do is talk about filter And I'm like,
let's come on, let's go in order here, and um, Finally,
he actually proposed to me on an episode of Wags,

(05:50):
and we got Yeah, we got married on the season finale.
So I think that he was just waiting. He's he's
also he also likes everything to be like very perfect,
not necessarily in order, but when he has an idea,
like he wanted to really make it a surprise and
do it when I'm least expecting it, and I was.
I felt like I was always expecting it, and so
he didn't want to give me you know, he didn't

(06:12):
want to do it that way. So he's like, I'm
just gonna wait until she gives up. Literally that's where
I'm honestly, that's like the thing. Oh my god, did
you guys? What was I mean? Did you trust him
the entire time? So when Larry and I first met,
I was a little skeptical because he was an athlete,
and I've dated an athlete prior which sport, so I

(06:35):
was already like, I already tested that out. So when
I met him, obviously you know he looks like a
football player, I could already tell um. When we first met,
I was very hesitant, and so it took about two
months for him to get me on a date, like
we text and stuff, but I was like, I'm newly single.
I'm not going back down that road. You know, they
get the stereotype obviously, but then there's also something that

(06:58):
tells you like, oh my god, he seemed like such
a great guy. He's like a mom, is time out?
Why are you looking at me like that? You you
were the stereotype. So and he's looking at me last week,
all right, let's keep you going, baby, And he's like
looking at me like, see, we're not all like that.
You were like that, so don't even give me that stereotypical.

(07:20):
So we already have a wall up when it comes
to any athlete, just because of what we see, what
we hear, what we might have been through. So I
did have that wall up, and it was like a
secure wall. So he really had to like take each
brick out one by one. It took like two months
and then I was like, okay, we can go to dinner.
And then you know, I'm just like I felt like
I was judging everything that he did because I was

(07:41):
just so like, you know, you were almost wanting it
to not work. Yeah, I was. I was like, this
is just not going to work. And I was so
against the whole athlete thing, and I was like, we
can be friends. But then he was just like so different.
But then you tell yourself like, of course he's so different.
He wants to date you. He's gonna like, you know,
you're beautiful. Yeah, So I gave him. I gave him

(08:01):
a while before we started like really dating seriously. I
think we met in December and we started seriously dating
like the end of Martha. So he wanted to introduce
me to his mom right away, and he was like,
I found it really cool that he just has a
sister and his mom. So I'm like, maybe he is different.
He was raised, you know, by women, and he has

(08:22):
a little sister, so he knows how. He knows how
women should be treated. Start your ring is like blind
I saw minutes ago. My god, it is so pretty.
Do you how long of you has been married? Then
we've been married, Um, it'll be two years in May.
Have you guys started the baby making process? Not yet actually,

(08:43):
which is so weird because I thought when we got married,
I'd like, okay, let's go. And I think even in
the season finale, bags, I was like, all right, do
you want to start working on a baby now. So
you know, everybody was like get married, get married another,
like one of you have them babies, and I'm like,
it's been almost two years. So I just think that
it's all timing right now. Our careers are, you know,
Larry's um very busy and I'm very busy, and we're

(09:05):
both traveling a lot, so it's just hard to like
make like a plan to really go for it. But
I think we're getting more now into let's just see
what happens and let let it all happen naturally. But
we're not really like planning it, so we'll see what.
You have a bathing suit line now, So what inspired
you to make a baiting suite line? So I've been

(09:25):
modeling since I was like twelve years old, so it
was very heavy into fashion um and then moving to
l A. I was actually living in New York for
seven years, and then when I moved to l as
when I met Larry, and then also when I moved
here because of the weather here naturally, like the jobs
that I was booking, UM was a lot of swim
were a lot of beach stuff, a lot of like
it was just a body body, body, body body and

(09:47):
I wasn't used to that because being in New York,
I was just doing more fashion, more editorial. So um,
I just started noticing, like some suits are not like
it's it's very hard to find something like for every
body type, every size, you know, because I was working
with girls who were like skinning and working with you know,
plus size women, and I just found like, I was like,

(10:09):
why don't I just try to like do this. My
mom was a seamstress growing up, so she you know,
I was always sewing all my clothes, making all my
Halloween costumes, and if there was anything that I wanted,
my mom but like I can make that for you,
and she'd literally get on her sewing machine and like
I'd have an outfit like that. So I think a
part of watching my mom so and a part of

(10:30):
being you know, a model being in the fashion world wanted.
I just wanted to. I wanted to make something that
you know, could make every girl feel what size do
you go up to? I go up to a large
right now, but I'm expanding right now, and I want
to so extra small too large now, and I want
to go I want to go to like double. I
think I'm going to go to double X, so maybe
my next collection. That's awesome. So yeah, I started off

(10:52):
like more sexy and like more unique pieces that you
can wear to like beach parties and stuff like that,
to incorporate it, like wearing wearing body suits. And then
my I just get feedback from my customers and I
listened to what they say and what they want and
where are you selling them at? So right now it's
online only. Okay, what's the website? Um Neia Lynn Collection,

(11:13):
So that's an I A L Y and N collection
dot com. What is your biggest issue with Larry? The biggest?
I just like to just get real persons. It's just
like what is it Like, what do you guys fight
about the most or what just really gets you? Just
piste off at him? She's like, where do I start?

(11:36):
Then just walk on out? No, I was just like,
did you guys fight a lot when you like, did
you fight about being married before you're married? Like I
want to get married. I want to get married. Yeah,
and then and then you got married in that and
then we got married, and then I just I'm so,
let's just start off a sing. I'm really stubborn. So
he is like I feel like he's like a genius.
He's the smartest person I know. And anytime he like

(11:56):
reads thousands of books and right now, every time I
feel like he's into a book or he's like right
now he's reading grain brain. Have you heard of that? Okay?
So now every time I eat something, he's staring in
my face leave me alone, Like every time eat food, okay,
he's like, there's gluten in that, and there's this and that.
I'm like okay. And anytime he reads something or like

(12:18):
learns a new way of, you know, doing something, he'll
preach and he'll like sit down and want to teach
me and like preach it to me, and I'm like,
can you please let me learn things on my own?
Like it's enough just watching you do the right thing.
I can kind of grasp and want to do it
too and like follow you. But when he tries to
like show me like you should do it like this,
and do it this and you should do this, I'm

(12:40):
just like, oh my god, it's just pushing me further
and further from it. Like when you try to force
me to do something, that's definitely one thing that really
kisses me. I want to be able to learn on
my own. I'm that type of person. I pick up
on whatever like I can. I feed off of his energy.
I watch what he's doing and it makes me want
to do it, but he sits me down and tries

(13:01):
to make me read like they look, I highlighted this
in this book, and he'll highlight it. So now he's
gotten to the point where he'll go to bed and
he'll be reading at night. And when I wake up,
there's a book on the counter with like it's all highlighted.
So I should stop highlighting rings and giving rights. He's like,
I know you're not going to pick up a book
and read it, so I just highlighted it and just
leave it out, and if you feel like you want
to read it, you could read it. I'm like, oh

(13:22):
my god, it So that's there's that. I love that. Well.
You're you're really sweet. Do you drink wine? You drink
We could be friends for real. And Larry just told
me yesterday actually that a glass of red wine a
day is really good for you. Very good. She that everybody,

(13:43):
did you know she's a wine nicole. You're so sweet.
I love you. Thank you for coming on. Everyone, go
get her collection again. It's n I A L Y
N N collection dot com and you're just what your
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(14:04):
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(15:11):
So this next guest guests, This says, how do you
say that? Guests? The next guests, the next guests. But
it's like, it's like when you asked for risks. I'm
really are time saying risks because I'm like, it's it
sounds like an echo risks. It's just very strange. I
don't like it. Anyways, I'm gonna be really honest. I
might be a little quiet in this next interview. I'm

(15:31):
super triggered. Oh I'm not. I want to know everything,
but I think it's I am going to be very
I'm I'm judgmental over it and I'm triggered about it. Well,
and speak on that because it's interesting. When I was
watching that, like a promo video that Tori had sent
one of the couples, I don't remember which one it was.

(15:53):
We're talking about sister wives. One of the couples. Which
one was it, but basically the same kind of deal.
The the potential sister wife and the husband were texting
and the wife was reading their conversation and it basically
kind of seemed like they were sexting a little bit,

(16:13):
and the wife was like, this is this feels like
cheating to me and the white and the wife was like,
I'm not actually, I don't think I'm okay with this.
Was this Dmitri and Ashley? No, this is not this
is another couple. I don't remember. Then they brought her
on board as a wife. Well, I don't know what
this is just the teaser for this season. Can you

(16:34):
play the basics of this? This is a guy married
to multiple women right now, he's married to Ashley, but
Vanessa is here, and he is courting Vanessa to be
the sister wife. But we actually sisters. They're just multiple
because legally, polygamy is not legal in any state, right,

(16:54):
but so there cannot be another Salt Lake City or Utah. No,
they know They're thing is actually even stricter where you
cannot have a marriage license with another person. But even
in Utah, you cannot have another adult living with you
that has some type of marital relationship with you in
the same house. Well, then how do they have these
TV shows? Then? I'm sorry, I'm quiet I'm so confused.

(17:17):
Did you all ever watch Big Love? No? It was
an amazingly good show on HBO. I didn't Bill Paxton.
He died, I know, God rest his soul. He had
three wives and they each had different houses, all next
to each other, but they were always in fear of
getting caught, getting arrested. I guess you can arrested. They
have a TV show. They have a TV show about this,

(17:39):
so the cops can go to their house. They know
what's going on. So I'm just I'm super confused. Just
so I know where you stand there? Where do you
stand on this? I'm like, I'm like, not kidding, I'm
just a little confused. So this man is married to
all these women or he's just dating these women's he's
married to. He's married Ashley. And then the whole concept
is that they bring in another or female as another

(18:03):
quote unquote wife like acts like a wife, but legally
is not. So that's the thing I want to ask them,
how do they must be a wife but legally they're not.
Legally they're not allowed to be. Stand on this, Michael,
what's your stance on it? Oh, I don't believe in polygamy? Well,
I have a question for you. Though. They're basically just

(18:23):
having an open affair. So you believe in closed doors affairs.
I'm obviously nothing more, but it's like an open affair.
It's like an open relationship because people are consensual. There's
not an affair. If it's if she agree, if Ashley agrees,
I'm just being Devil's advocate and I'm being I'm just

(18:44):
being super triggered. So I'm like, Okay, you're you don't
agree with this, but you agree with closed doors affairs.
When I agree, my heart is racing. So that's because
that's what you did. So I'm like, that's what. That
doesn't mean I agree with it, but we might find
out that maybe, like one of these girls is like,
I'm not actually down with it. I'm gonna get them,
but don't feel like you have to hold back. You

(19:05):
can you want to say maybe with like a nice tone. Guys,
my heart is why are you staring at me like that?
I'm just looking at you. I'm just you're not using
a nice tone with your husband. Oh my god. Okay, sorry, Mark,
but I just I get very upset. I understand where
you're coming from. I get it because it is I mean,

(19:26):
I get it. Well, I was just saying like, oh,
I don't agree with this, but I'm like, oh, but
you agree I'm doing. I'm sorry, Mark? Is this better tone?
You agree? But you agree with having an affair on
your wife? That's better? What when did I say I
agree with all of a sudden you bring words in

(19:48):
our mountains? Doesn't mean it? But you? But okay, so
but you did it though right and I was wrong? Okay, okay, okay, okay,
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(21:16):
so easy. Mike, I'm gonna let you do the intros.
Everyone that just came in. Thanks, You're welcome, sweet high
So now here in the studio we have Dmitri, Ashley
and Vanessa from Sister Wives on t LC and it's
actually Seeking Sister Wife, Seeking Sister Rife I'm sorry, that's

(21:39):
another show. Good to know. You're right, you're redirected the
second season of Seeking Sister. Okay, So, Dmitri, you are
married to Ashley. Ashley, how long have you guys been
married for now? I'm plus years now, plus years okay.
And Vanessa over there you are wanting to marry her

(22:02):
as well. Yeah, so you're gonna have to, like yuh,
educate me because I am married to my husband and
I do not want another female in our relationship ever,
which just full disclosure, I did have an affair. There's
infidelity in our relationship that was two and a half

(22:25):
years ago, was discovery and that we've recovered in our
marriage and relationships. So that's something that we've gone through.
So that's an added element to this whole situation that
Janna feels a little bit triggered because the things that
we've been through in our personal relationship. So it's just
interesting to us just because of what we've been through. Yes,
so that is where forgive me the tone comes in.

(22:46):
It's not directed towards any of you. Oh yes, all
start time. I'm just are you okay with us? Yeah?
Why you signed up for m I studied anthropology, So
I have a completely different outlook on polygamy as a
viable family dynamic. UM, it's not emotional for me. It's like,
I respect and value the communal, feminine centered family in UM,

(23:15):
I feel like working with another woman cooperatively together to
raise a family and to create businesses, you know, build
a life together. It's just stronger in my mind. And
I've seen it, you know, in my academic studies. UM,
and I wanted to recreate that for myself. And do
you guys have kids? We do? How many kids? Three?

(23:35):
You have three kids? And how are the kids around this?
I mean, do you see it? Yeah? Yeah, they love
having an extra mommy, you know, around they don't know
any different children or when they're in their native environment,
they don't. They don't know, Like you don't know you're
broken to people make fun of you, you know what
I mean. So it's just it just is like you
don't have to explain or define monogamy. You don't have

(23:58):
to explain. I mean, you're define in the context everyone
else may perceive you. But it just it just literally is.
And they're younger, So six the news the oldest she's six.
Um Neil's four and then Cannadi is one. So how
do you go about finding Vanessa? Like what was what
was that like, Hey, we're married, you want to join

(24:19):
in on our marriage? Or how did how did that
conversation start? I'll answer that. Okay, take it away, Vanessa.
So kind of a long ster, I'll try to keep
it short. Uh. Last year sometime I was on Twitter
and I saw this show Seeking Sister Wife trending pretty high,
and I was like, what is this. I've heard of
Seeking Regular Sister Wives, but you know, Seeking Sister Wives,

(24:42):
and people were talking about this other wife on the
show and I was like, well, this show sounds juicy.
Let me check it out. This sounds and nuts. Um.
So I started watching it falls to um, you know,
Mormon white traditional polygmacs families, um. And then I see
Ashley Dmitri and I was like, whoa polygamas can look
like this? They and they seem so like cool and

(25:02):
normal and you know, kind of like me. Um. But
I was still kind of like, you know, polygami is
for like other people, because I get it, like, you know, I,
for one, have been cheated on in the past, and
it's the secrecy and the going behind the back and everything.
With this, it's all out in the open, like she
wants me here. Um. And so anyways, I'm kind of

(25:24):
getting off track here, but um, when I started thinking
about it, I'm like, okay, Like, um, I love men exclusively,
but when I live with my friends that are girls,
it's so much fun, Like we have fun and everything.
And I'm like, Okay, with this type of situation, I
could have an awesome husband and an awesome you know,
best friend to live with who could share motherhood and
all that and have it all in one house. So

(25:46):
you guys don't hook up them, Okay. So there's so
many questions, give them all in order. How long So
you guys have been married? On was ten years? When
did this Has this been from the beginning? You guys
have kind of damn been polygamous day one. Yes since
day zero and then I mean yes since day zero.
When I met her, I was like, my name is
dmitri Um. I'm a workaholic. I dreel when I'm really tired,

(26:09):
and this is my vision version of the family unit,
you know what I mean. So I didn't want to
waste time fed off the bone. Le's get straight to it.
If we're going to fail this fail fast for sure.
Um had that and she didn't say no. Okay, I
was like winning, And again I didn't say no because
it wasn't new for me. It was something that I
had heard of before, and I just thought it was
the Universe's way of playing a little joke. Get be

(26:30):
prepared for this new life that I was going to
be living. So have you guys had a sister wife
before in your relationship or is just the first time,
like you're really are you just seeking a new one?
Or have you guys had one in the past quite
a bit Over the years, we had a lot of
growing to do, a lot of mistakes to make figuring,
you know, things out more the mistakes on my side,

(26:53):
you know what I mean. It's just, you know, this
is this thing where you have to buy for Kate,
like the immaturity of being a guy right versus like
our functioning adult relationship. It's going to be my question,
how did you look at it not as cheating or
you know what I mean? Like, how were you like this?
Like do you have other partners or is it just him?

(27:15):
And then how is that? I would be like, well, wait,
why don't just come home with a chick and say like, well,
here you go, like, just make it work, like it's
it's a consensus. Well, initially he was like, you find
and that was hard because you know, um, the shows
weren't out yet. People weren't aware of this even being
a real thing outside of a book. So it was like,

(27:37):
you find her. And then I was like, well, I
don't know how to talk to girls, like, because women
know women better than men. We just doing our threshold
and requirements are this big. It doesn't take a lot
for a man. Just just be alive and we're happy,
you know what I mean. And I'm being facetious, but like,
and I've had I've had women that were more interested
in me, and I'm like, well that's not gonna work.

(27:58):
And that's how I feel like it would be so
hard to be like I just yeah, yeah, I mean,
and then or if the woman was more interested in him,
because I'm super jealous, so I would go absolutely well
I could, and so how did you like? Well, so
here here it is for me. And this is a

(28:19):
testament to Ashley because coming in as this second woman,
it's kind of like, oh easy, you know, she built
this whole family and life and children. I can't imagine
being the first wife and doing that and then being
open arms to me. So that's how gracious she is.
I'm just kind of like, oh, here I am, Hey,
let me kids, Hey guys. You know it's it's been
so much easier for me. So are you going to

(28:42):
have kids with Dmitri? I mean I would love to
and you would be okay with that? Absolutely? Yeah? Yeah?
Did the TV element make this way easier? I would
think that a little bit of fame, a little bit
of notoriety. I'm sure you've got haters, but like having
more public did that make it easier you mean to

(29:02):
find easier to find or easier easier to live in
a society that maybe isn't as accepting of this. Well,
I think it's it's probably if you try affected out.
Everyone's got their different perspective from me. It never mattered
it just because I just it just is like I'm
going to live this way regardless. I don't need your approval,
I don't need your your confirmation like this is what's

(29:23):
going to happen. So um No, it didn't make it,
It didn't change anything, and per se um it brought
more awareness to it, and quite frankly, probably more scrutinous.
So I have to not really defend but educate. If
people really want to understand why and what, then it's
more of that conversation has been brought forward. What couse
you to have that mindset of this is what a
family dynamic looks like. For you guys, I need uh

(29:45):
actually said you studied an anthropology and everything. But for Dmitri, like,
what was it? Was it your upbringing? Was it religious beliefs?
Is it just something you realize on your own? Yeah,
something I realized on my own. Um, not religious, so
to spiritual there's him heard they out there for sure
doing it. Um. For me, it's about feminine centricity. I
feel like, um, the um, the ability to take care

(30:07):
and labor um. This real world is is the man?
Is the job of a man, you know what I mean?
I think women should be able to express their creative freedom.
So if I can take care of you know, work
and bills and all that good jazz, they can birth
epic things. And that could be in a form of children,
of course, or it could be in the context of
companies or projects or just passion. Projects could be whatever,

(30:27):
what if what if she wanted to have another man? Yeah,
so I mean and she can speak to this as well, right,
Um for us, I mean that changes the dynamic. This
is how, this is what because what we're doing is
called polygamy or polygony specific specifically, if we have another man,
it would change to polyandry polyamory, so they're different relational constructs.

(30:49):
We agreed to and understood that we're gonna do polygamy,
so one masculine energy, multiple feminine energies, and if that changes,
that's fine. We'll probably keep crying, scream and just part
of ways because that's not what we initially. If she
just wants to like because if you get to sleep
with two women, if she wants to go out and
have a you know, screw another dude, why why is
that a problem that she's not going to mess up
that scenario. But if I mean, if you're getting it,

(31:11):
I feel like that's a little what depends on the
relationship as to be true, saying like for our relationship specifically,
we signed up for the feminine aspect of it, and
me personally, I'm not interested in another guy. I believe
that feminine energy built and creates, whereas masculine energy is destructive.
And that's why when you put a bunch of men
in the room, they usually tearsh it up. You know.

(31:32):
It's like, so that's not what I'm into. Um, and
so it just it wouldn't work for our family dynamic.
That does not mean that it's not possible for other
people to live that way. Um, it's just not you know,
And it's not about parr It's not about sexual parody either.
It's not like where you get to have sex with excellence.
I want sex with why? Like, that's not the it's

(31:52):
not the measure to say, well you get to have
something so I could have them too, or if you don't,
there's a disparity. Now, that's not you know, that's not
how you as you're in our relations In our relationships,
some people do measure that way. They're like if it
needs everything needs to be equal, you know. Yeah, like
if you did a then I get to do what
was the hardest. I'm sure, like you said, its trial
and err throughout the last nine ten years off y'all's

(32:13):
relationship to figure this out and to try to figure
out the boundaries on what you both need to make
this successful. What has been the hardest obstacle along with
that that has kind of repeated itself and kind of
making this a successful relationship between the three of you.
I'm sure there's more one. I mean, the hottest part
is from the man's perspective, is getting past because so

(32:36):
like we started off with her trying to find the woman.
Then I would try to find her, and then we
I would be attracted to the woman. She's like, no,
dice like this is she does not fit, is not
gonna work. Or again, she might have an attraction, but
you know a different type of attraction to the woman.
And I'm like, I'm that interested. She drives me nuts.
So how do you reconcile you know, these wants and
desires into a single person and aggregate that in a

(32:57):
way that's gonna you know, work for Like yeah, to come. Um,
So I think to answer your question, the challenges from
me in particular, we're just being able to move in
lockstep with her, not move ahead of her. Um. Again,
as a guy, you you win. I mean again, we
were competitive. So like I'm trying to, you know, let
you know that you're good, you're taking care of I
can pay your bills and you know everything's taken, you know,

(33:19):
So how do you do that without pre selling the
woman or getting her all jazzed up and she's not
even there yet, like's not That's definitely hard. And I
do think to like knowing what your boundaries are and
what you'll accept and the things that will make or
break your relationship. I don't think you really know those
initially until you actually start trying everything. Yeah, so that's

(33:39):
why a lot of relationships have failed. So what is Vanessa?
What is y'all status? Right now? We're dating? So you're
just dating and you guy, but you two live together?
You two live together? Yes? Do you just like live
next door or you down the street or do you
live in the house as well? I am visiting? So yeah,

(34:01):
I mean do you want to get married to her? Okay,
isn't that illegal? Well, so we don't believe in state
recognized marriage, Like I don't need a piece of paper
to to ratify my marriage, right, her last name is mine.
We got all the financial instruments and legal instruments in place.
Should I expire in all the good jazz, that's no different. Well,
how does that keep Vanessa safe? Them? Like let's say,
like crap goes down if you say you're married to her,

(34:22):
but then hey, nothing's on paper. You can't really take
that to the court where you can't. So then you
leverage those fiscal and legal instruments. So again she changed
her last name, she can have her own insurance policy.
She's got I mean, she's got her account. Like there's
literally your marriage certificate just makes it the paper trail
shorter into a single document. I have to have a
couple more documents. But she has the same exact power
you would. So you guys couldn't go to jail for

(34:43):
what you're doing. Then, because we're not legally married. That's
big of me, and no we can so for since
we've been clear since day zero, we're not legally married.
But again she has my legal last name. You can
do whatever you want. And so that's how we protect
ourselves for sure. Legally. What is your parents in Vanessa? Um?
So unfortunately my father passed away from sixteen years ago.

(35:03):
That's okay, um. But so my first trip to go
out to see them, my mom and step mom took
me out to um to dinner for my birthday, and
so I grew up with my mom and stepmom being
extremely close. My stepmom is an amazing woman, so I
always felt like I had like sister wives, you know.
So when I told him, I was gonna tell it first,
and I was like, I'm gonna go visit him, but

(35:24):
it could be nothing, so I won't. But then I
was like, you know, I'll just tell them. And they're
so lovely and open minded. They're both papies and they're like,
this is wonderful, this is a great lu. So where
are you from? Um born in New Jersey, but grew
up in Seattle, Okay, And what were you looking for
going into this? Did you have like a clear mindset
on what why you wanted to get into this kind

(35:45):
of relationship and and what was it in Dmitri and Ashley,
It's like, okay, this could work with them. Yeah, so um,
you know, like I was saying earlier before I golf track,
I um watched the show and then I was like,
about four episodes in, I was like, they communicy Kate
so well, they're so lovely, Like something's gotta be off here.
Let me doing some investigating and I found some Dimitri's

(36:07):
Instagram and so I'm like looking through his photos and
I'm like, okay, this is his real wife and children,
and blanking some photos. He said, I like thirty photos.
I like like five photos. I would never do that,
not that extra. So that the next day, um, he
had written on one of my pictures and we started
talking and then he direct messaged me and and UM,

(36:31):
He's like you know, um, because I was like, oh,
I love you and Ashley I'm a fan. And he's like,
you know, thank you so much for the kind words.
He's like, there's been a lot of backlash for the show.
He's like, I told Ashley, if we find our forever
wife after this, she'll be a keeper. So at that point,
I was like, is he fishing for me right now?
Like this sounds like he's I'm like, well, you know,
hanging there, you guys are wonderful. You'll find someone in
your save same wavelength. Like I don't share, but you know,

(36:52):
good luck to you. And then I was like and
as I'm saying this, I'm like, man, like, you know,
I just I just I could tell I had a
vibe with him, but I was just kind of like whatever,
he started following me, I started following him. I'm watching
the show UM as the week's progress and the finale.
Last year, they go on a date with this woman,
this lovely woman UM to do this painting thing and
have some wine. Um And the woman's kind of being

(37:15):
really quiet and awkward. And I'm watching with my friend
and I'm like, why is she being so quiet? Like
if I was there, we'd be having wine, would be
painting at the best time. And I just kind of
had this epiphany. I was like, am I being close
minded here? Like? What could I be? Like? What who
they're looking for? Like what you know, what am I
afraid of here? What am I like so against? And
I'm like this could be everything I didn't always everything

(37:36):
I didn't know I always wanted in a way. Um,
And so I was like, you know what. It was
a couple weeks later, but I was like, I'm just
gonna write him back, just you know, maybe they found somebody.
Maybe I'm just gonna just talk to them. So I
slipped back into his d M s and then then
we all started talking and it was just like magic.
So there's no jealousy at all. It's like he's starting
to like you more or vice versa, or I mean

(37:58):
there's not you don't have any of jealousy and any
of y'all's bones. No, I don't. Yeah, it's not like
I said, I used to be a very jealous person.
But that was like because it's it's such a different
dynamic when you're dating in monogamy in that sense, like
we're all so close in friends and we talk about everything.
The way they communicate, that's what I what I saw.

(38:18):
I was like, that's what's missing in my life with
that level communication and honesty and openness in a relationship.
If everybody communicated the way they did, there would be
it is a place, would be a better world. And
so I was like, I want in on this and
it's been a hard struggle. Um, it's not easy, but
I'm looking forward to hopefully progressing. You know, with them,
it's like you in monogamy you can kind of hide,

(38:41):
right because you can have I mean, people have whole
other relationships outside as we know, right in monogamy, but
like I enjoy the pressure. I can't hide, like I
have to be vulnerable. And by the way, in context
to what makes her specifically her and same as her,
so she has her own way that she communicates how
we communicate. She has a different way. Can't copy this
love plan atop either of these women and make, you know,

(39:03):
expect it to work. I have to be up front,
I have to be Claire, I have to be concise.
But I don't understand. We have to talk about it
so regardless of the challenges and how hard it's been,
like we just we own it, like we just cut
this and get straight to it, like let's get to
the business. And so there's no space for jealousy. I mean,
why would you want two women? Though? I mean I'm
enough wife for him, like learning how to communicate with

(39:25):
two different ones? Like God, I'm like, it's impossible for Yeah,
it's like that's I mean Louise. Yeah, I just again,
I love the pressure. I love that it makes me better,
Like I have to do you want another one? Like
how many? How many do you want? Yeah, there's no
magic number, there's not a goal, right, um, And quite frankly,
it's up to them, right, So if Vanessa actually comes
home when we make this work and it's like it

(39:46):
is what it is, which we're moving on that that path,
then it's up to them. You know. I don't know why.
I mean, I get that, but at the same time, like, man,
you'rely reaping every single benefit. See that's what That's what
most I think where I'm just like, he's just the
guy that like he's like, yeah, what else? Well yeah,
but what guy doesn't want that have different partners and

(40:07):
have sex. I mean, that's why it has been cheated
on me. Wanted to you know, like come on, it's
like what but now you need to be open. Sorry,
but you need to be open about it, you know.
But I used to think the same thing because I've
seen this Sister Wife shows on. I'm like, okay, that's
for them, okay, But then I'm like, well, I've been
looking at this all wrong. Like on paper, yes, it
looks like the guy has everything, but honestly, I think

(40:30):
Ashley and I get more out of it than Damshi.
Sometimes I find him bad for him, like you know,
but you'll you'll see the show progresses, hopefully and as
if we progress, um that it's you know, there's just
something about you'll just have to see. Um. I think

(40:53):
actually I get more out of it than him. Well
please please. The second season of Seeking Sister Wives airs
every Sunday on TLC at ten pm Central. What can
our listeners PM Eastern Pacific? Look, I have Eastern time
nine Central? Well, who put ten nine where? Whatever? Without

(41:16):
the women in my life right here? Um, So, so
you guys have to watch? What can we Vanessa is gonna?
What can we expect? What can we expect in the
second season moving forward? What can everyone expect to see anything?
You're just going, well, I'm going to watch because I

(41:37):
really like you and I'm warming up to you, to
you Dmitri and I can you're just like I bowed
down to you. Miss So thank you so much, you
guys for coming on the show so much. Thank you.

(41:57):
Who wants to start? Clearly you probably do? No, No,
I'll wait. I'd like to hear what you like. I
don't know. I wrote some notes, Sarah. I did because
what I really cannot get over because I'm so competitive
that I know you are too. Who's better in the bedroom? Honestly,
I just wanted to be like, all right, ladies, like
how are you keeping it spicy? Like it's competition? Essentially

(42:21):
he's sleeping with both I see why, especially in this
kind of why are you taking your wedding ring off? You?
Literally just your wedding ring off hand sanitized other under
my rain and even get anyways. I can see why

(42:41):
in polygamy, when is a single male in multiple female,
I can see why women on the outside would just
think of it as, oh, it's just all about the sex.
I see that. That's how our society kind of thinks
about it. Just hearing them talk, I can see I
don't personally believe this. I can see why maybe there's
more of a some more of a it's more to

(43:03):
it than just sex. I can that's all. I don't
know how to explain it. I can just see how
they have like an understanding and where it's more than
just that. Didn't you think that? Um? Actually, Ashley was
the wife way more like calm and jam I almost
kind of felt like she was like and then Vanessa
was like kind of being like, yeah, it's hard, it's

(43:25):
but I felt like I was getting like vans Vanessa's
to herself, very comfortable, very you know. That's just it's
almost like she didn't stop off once, Like she didn't
even say one like thing that was like me because
they've been doing it for nine ten years, but like
there's a lot of things people have been doing for
a nine or ten years that are still weak Like yeah,

(43:46):
but she hearn tell that she that's just her thing,
that that's you know, she's she's comfortable with that. I
never want someone else to never have temptation to never. Yeah,
that's a little because it's for them. It's it's even
though they do and say, excuse me, it was anything religious,
it's still a spiritual belief of like what they think
the family dynamic is. So it's just like if you

(44:08):
tell the Mormon or a Christian or whatever that something
about their religion, they're not Just because it might not
make sense to other people doesn't mean this is what
they believe in. So if the polygamy is what they
believe in, that's what they choose to believe, then they're
okay with what do you believe in? Michael? Oh really? Question? Mark? Mark? Mark? Mark,

(44:36):
I just turned my my off. I just think there's
always a favorite, like there's always a favorite no matter what.
When you guys walked out for a second, Mark and
I were talking about Big Love. The first wife is
always in like what I call pole position. She always
has like a little more Jews, a little bit more.
She's the boss. What you guys need to watch Big
Love and then I come back to me. I feel

(44:58):
like there's always a favorite, So back on, Michael, he
turned it off. Why are you mad at me? That
comment was a little I believe in monogamy? And you're like, really, yeah, really,
come on, come on, if you really believe in come on.

(45:18):
So I can never say. I can never say the
rest of my life, I believe in monogamy because Okay,
I was making a joke, jokes to an a certain
extent that was not a joke. Well, yes it was.
I left. Well, she said before this is obviously gonna
be really triggering for her, right, But the jobs, the jobs,
like come on, I'm just saying, like we can we

(45:43):
like I want to be able to talk about this
stuff and not feel like I can't say anything without
being being jabbed every time. That's all I'm saying. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry that I see that, and I'm sorry that
for both of you, and I'm sorry that it's triggering,
and I apologize that you're upset that it's triggering for you.
I'm sorry I jab do it. I didn't mean the
job I was making of a joke, but is very

(46:05):
triggering when you say that that's what you believe in,
but yet you don't live that. I do love that
you didn't live that. Okay, then that's different saying I
don't live that and I didn't live that. It's totally different.
Currently presently for the last two and a few years,
I lived. That sounds good sometimes, Michael, I'm just gonna
throw one thing in there. Humor or sarcasm can be

(46:29):
healing so sometimes, but it's also can be your way
of of hiding feelings behind something. Well, with my feeling is,
I'm like, well, don't say that. What would you rather say?
What do you believe in? Michael? I believe that. I
was no. I would have said, like, I know you
might not believe this because of my past, but I
believe you know, it's just say it's just a triggering situation.

(46:53):
But I would like to say, though, wouldn't it be
easier just to have done that instead? Like I mean,
is something where you could and you could do that?
Because I didn't know we're talking about us. I thought
we were talking about the people in here, and you
just ask me a question, what do you believe in?
My personal belief is monogamy? Right? Yes? I didn't live
by that right, so that's just triggering. I understand that.

(47:16):
I believe you, Michael, I believe you. I believe me.
I believe you too. Okay, everyone looked. Tell me, I'm
just staying silent in the corner. But like, oh, I
think obviously thing. I think it's interesting and I think
that like, I respect you guys so much for being
willing and and be open like that, and yes, we're
going to have, you know, difficult interviews like that where

(47:38):
it does trigger, and then it becomes so interesting and
Jan is so open, like she's so you know, letting
it out. I think that it was a joke, but
there was like it was your way of being funny
but also hurting. And he gets because I'm the same
way I make jokes and I'm uncomfortable, but it obviously hurt. Ye. Yes,

(48:05):
I'm sorry that you were triggered and that these past
feelings came up for you, and I can understand why
they would. Okay, I'm shutting down. No. Now I feel
like I'm like in pre school and I'm like, okay,
you apologize, now, you apologize. I did apologize. I said
I'm sorry. Okay, look at me now, make eye contact

(48:26):
with them. My question is, like, what happens now? Because
I like him, you know, my heart is breaking a
little bit for both of you because jan is emotional
and Michael's emotional and it's so raw. So what happens now?
Is this where we go sideways and then like you guys,
hold onto it? Is there any way to like talk
a little bit more and then really let go and
be okay when you walk out of the room, Well,

(48:46):
how much time do we have? Whatever? You know? No,
I just again, I just when you say that that's
what you believe and then you didn't do it, that's
just very triggering. What would you okay, calmly and realistically,
what would you rather me say? And now? Moving forward
in situations like that? Is it something where you acknowledge
the past in the pain? I think? How much longer

(49:08):
is he going to have to acknowledge the past in
the pain? That was my question, like, like, I'm like, obviously,
come on, but you know, for a little bit longer
you what will make you feel better? Maybe for a
long time? I think so, And I think that's okay,
and that's okay, and I think that you both know
that and that's okay, right, and I and I do

(49:30):
I agree. I do know that, and I think that
is okay. There are there some instances where I would
like to just when we're talking about someone or something
else where, I would like to just say what I
believe in without having to go into a back story
of hey, I'm sorry, blah blah, but this is my
opinion on something like at times, am I going to
want to be able to do that? Sure? Absolutely, Maybe

(49:50):
with this I should have been more conscious of it
being so triggering and acknowledge that, so I apologize sincerely.
I do. Okay, Okay, I'm sorry that I made a
joke trigger that was a little harsh. Sarah's Yeah, I
think that neither of you need to apologize for how
you both felt, do you know what I mean? Like

(50:12):
the joke maybe whatever you compologize for that Michael can
apologize for, like maybe not staying more calm or centered
from the joke. But like what you both feel is
so real, And I acknowledge your emotions here and you
both deserve to have them. Yeah, And I do believe Mike.
I believe that he currently is the current mode is

(50:35):
on monogamy. I don't believe and wants a cheater always
a shooter. I think we can grow from our mistakes.
Thank you, Mark. Wow, I agree. I agree with that too.
We all agree with something delution or what is that?
I don't know. We're growing, We're growing, We're growing. Nothing

(50:55):
feels more appropriate right now than a commercial. Wow? Thank god?
All right? Mark? Can you read couples too far? Yeah?
This is in the mood I think from Haley. This

(51:15):
is an email sent to Jane Kramer at i heeart
media dot com. What are your thoughts on couples who
don't fart in front of each other talk about their
bathroom time? I think that it's weird. Our friends are
getting married and her soon to be husband has never
farted in front of her. He never has. I get
trying to keep some mystery and trying to impress the
other person. But going through life and always holding your

(51:36):
farts and not ever truly relaxing sounds not so fun. Wait,
you've never fared in front I okay, let me tell
you something really funny. No, I mean he's had a
little slip ups, but I just like die laughing and
then like we don't, like, I can't focus on anything.
For the rest of the day. But literally the four years.
In four years and we're in New York. Every time
I had to go to the bathroom or do anything,
I was running downstairs to Starbucks. He literally thought I

(51:57):
was having an affair because I was like, I'll be
right back. I was going to I was like, not happening.
I've never been. I never thought you went in a
public restroom. I was doing loops. I'm running like, up,
where are you serious that you've never farted in front
of him or took a poopy in the bathroom. Well,
things are getting complicated now that we lived together. Those

(52:18):
people had started as he ever heard you? No, wow, No,
I mean, don't let Janna fool you. It's it's she
and far between with her. She just letting one out
the other day. No, No, she was seeing it right
behind me at the desk. I just like I. She
was holding Jayce and she's like Jay's I'm like, okay,

(52:41):
I thought it was going to be silent. Remember the
first time I fared in front of you? The first
time she farted. We're in a hotel. Who knows what
city I was. I think we're in Texas. Yeah, And
she fared the same thing she thought was gonna be silent.
Was the first time I heard a fart when we
started dating. I had it on camera and I videoed.
I was video She was like hiding herself off in
a corner, like I thought it because he the way

(53:03):
he looked at me, I was just like hid in
the corner. Not a roomate in college who literally that
was their thing. They would sit on top of each
other and fart on each other. And I was not happening.
Now this guy, I mean, he farts all the time now,
But that's like for a guy, at least just for me.
When you get to that point in a relationship, it's
so like it's like it's like I made it, you know,

(53:26):
and thinking about dating all over again. If you think
about dating all over again, like I gotta go through
the whole process. No, I don't think I get to
the point where I can fart in front of her.
I just think I mean, if I fart in front
of you all the time, I mean, wouldn't you that's
not sexy, you know what? That would be cross like
we have to And so sometimes I wish that you
wouldn't fart as much because I'm like, don't you want

(53:49):
me to be attracted to you? And falking? You know right,
I'm crazy. All farts in my marriage have been accidental
on both sides, happened, but never on purpose. Because I
want to be sexy. I think it's embarrassing for the person,
like I'll laugh at tie all down the walls, but
like I know, he's like, I don't, I'm embarrassed. What's

(54:09):
funny right now is that Jolie knows the word far.
So I was changing her in the middle of the
night the other night. I took her dip off, putting
another one on, so she was naked from the waist down,
and she farted and she goes oops at fart. She
doesn't know how to add the E. I'm far in
front of her. It's hilarious. So I do have one

(54:36):
more email that it's fascinating right This one takes some
real turns that I did not expect, Like a d
Lindsay says, I've been married to my husband for six
years and we have a five and a half year
old daughter, but I'm not sure I love him. I
thought it might be because I like girls. My husband
and I decided to try a threesome with another woman.

(54:58):
I have never really been about sech and to be honest,
I enjoyed the threesome, but I still felt like whatever,
I never really want sex and I'm not I'm not
sure I have ever been in love. What if I'm
not capable of loving someone? Is there something I can do?
Should I divorce my husband and leave my child in
a separate household? Oh boy, that's a lot, I feel.

(55:19):
Let's start with the beginning. I feel loveless marriage. I
think it's a good place to start, Sarah. I think
lovel's marriage is common. A lot of people maybe stay
with their Why are you looking at me like that?
I'm sorry, both of you are market? Are both looking
at you like that? I am not. I have a
lot of friends who say that they've fallen out of

(55:40):
love with their spouse and that they stay with them
just for the kids. I hate that. You start, you're happy,
you love your wife. People falling in and out? But
that makes me sad. I think people can go in
and out of love. Yeah, and I think that's some
of my friends. I think have felt that, and they,

(56:01):
you know, but they stay because they have kids, and I,
you know, I know I've you know, so I can
see her saying, but I've also loved my husband and
you like what and I do? Yes? A while because
didn't she say she doesn't like suck. Yeah, she never
really wants it, she's never been in love. She thought
maybe women nah, like it doesn't sound like sounds like

(56:22):
she's on like pills or something like depress. Like she
doesn't have her like obviously I would say, yeah, to
get off. If you're on anything, I would talk to
your doctor and get something a little lighter that you
can have a more emotion. I wonder I wonder if
she knows what her love languages are, just because that

(56:42):
could be interesting for someone who, like you said, you
guys are saying, like she seems numb. We'll find out
how you register love. Yeah, and if it's not him,
then you don't want to stay in a loveless marriage forever.
That's but if she educates herself on that and then
tells her husband, hey, this is how I receive love,
give it a time, Give it a time for him
to trial that and be like, if he's doing those

(57:03):
things and she still doesn't feel it, Mark is just
like it was a very evolved response from thank you, Jesus,
thank you. Yeah, maybe he does believe in monogamy after all. No,
but that that is that is a very honey, That
is a very very evolved therapeutic response. I bet if

(57:25):
they talk to each other, he'd probably be like, yeah,
And you know, I kind of get it. I can
feel like you don't love me, and this is what
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know what, we forgot to talk about? What we've to
talk about using Mike's razor? What is wrong with that?
Does your wife users what? They're not as good as
I prefer the woman's razor. It's softer on my skin.
I like the way it's I'm a little delicate. Yeah,

(58:09):
I do prefer hers. You know. It's really funny about
this though. I'm glad you brought up here because yesterday
you showered first, and I was gonna ask you. I saw.
I looked in the shower and my razor it looked
like it was turned. It was turned a different way.
I know you didn't because and I started, but what's crazy?
I wants brought this up to you. I started feeling
like anxious, like angry because it's something small. She didn't

(58:33):
end up I ended up seeing her razor that she
brought into the bathroom because it wasn't there before. But
like these razors are expensive, Like I I have a
strategic amount of times that I used one razor because
I mean, I show my face. I shave my head
like a ball guy. We used it a lot, so
to know that she might use that and use it
areas and I put it on my face. It really,

(58:53):
it really does give me anxiety, Like it really does
bother me. Why does it bother you that I shave
my kuha and then you put on your face. I'm sorry,
I'm sorry because it's point inside. It's just the just
the and if you shave your legs, even if you
shave your legs and then I shave my legs are
cleaner than your face, it's not, it's just still it's
still your skin in bacteria it's still those things just

(59:17):
like dirty. Okay, it's just like just like I would
like to use my towel, but yesterday I used my towel,
so I had to use your towel. When you get
out of the shower, you're clean, Michael, I still like
to use my towel. I'm sorry, it's just what I
like to I like to use my towel. I like
to use my razor I use out of the shower.

(59:38):
Are you I don't ever want to use your too
the best. That's disgusting because that's like you you're getting
like steak out of your teeth. But when you get
out of a shower, When you get out of a shower,
you are physically clean, unless you don't wash your body
with soap. All right, just picture this picture. I use
your towel and I'm clean, put up my cleaning everything,
drying it all off. And guess what next time you

(59:59):
Next time you shower, you take that same part of
the towel. Little do you know that's where my butt was?
You up, you're drying your face. We're clean or not?
That's a fop thought. Well, if it's clean, I don't care.
You make me go down there anyway, So I got

(01:00:20):
no shame in that game. Season. I don't know. We're done.
You're welcome. Oh my god,