September 12, 2025 • 31 mins
Jana’s desperate to hang out with Teri Hatcher to hear about her new “Desperate Housewives” podcast “Desperately Devoted”!
Teri is joined by her on-screen daughter Andrea Bowen and her real-life daughter Emerson Tenney to share some behind the scenes secrets of what went down on Wisteria Lane.
Andrea shares some of the (bad) advice she heard from Teri over the years, and Jana asks Teri if she’s on any dating apps!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All right, I've got three ladies coming on as a
guest today. One you will definitely recognize Terry Hatcher, and
Andrea Bowen and Emerson Tenny. They are coming on. They've
got a new podcast, Desperately Devoted where they go through
Desperate Housewives. And Andrea is was obviously her TV daughter,
and Emerson is her real daughter. So let's get Terry
(00:30):
and the ladies on. Hi. Hello, well, ladies, you guys
are are I mean I already want to listen to
your podcast. I mean, you guys are fascious.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Thanks so well.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
First of all, and congratulations, I just found out you
you're pregnant, Andrea.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, I am pregnant. Yes, first, very excited.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
First baby, little girl, amazing, so so great. So and
listening like Terry, look at that, like you know you
got you can give some mothering advice right there, because
you've got your daughter Emerson with you. I'm full of it.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
What actually really cool because getting to grow up with
Terry as my on screen mom and alongside Emerson, I've
seen what an incredible mom Terry is, and so I
it's a very sweet and serendipitous experience to be now
pregnant with my first baby while we embark on this
new journey together.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
And I also told her after her and her husband
posted the big news last night. The first thing I
said is, I'm a very good babysitter and I do
not live that far away from you.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I am true, and I.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Live further away, but I also have a very good
babysitter over who gets to.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Watch the baby. That's very sweet. I love that. I'm
curious though, because since you obviously played on screen and Emerson,
you're you know, that's your mom in real life, actual moment,
your actual mom. What is what is the best for
both of you, guys? What is the best piece of
advice you've gotten from your mom and the worst piece?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Oh gosh, okay do we both answer this?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, he's on me.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I'm the real daughter.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I guess I'll go for.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I just remember Christmas is coming. Well.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Best piece of advice is hard, honestly, because there are
so many. I think something that really sticks with me
and I think about it in many eras of my life.
I think you first said this to me when I
don't know. I must have been an elementary school, and
I transferred schools. I was going to a kind of
Waldorf school, which doesn't have the same emphasis on academics
(02:33):
the way that a lot of schools do. And I
went to a kind of more rigorous academic school. And
I was horrible at taking tests, the standardized test. I
just had never done something like that. My mom said
to me, you know, just remember a test is only
a reflection of what you know on the day that
you take it.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
And I think, you know, it had wisdom at the time,
But I think about it all the time now as
a screenwriter when I'm going into pitches in work setting,
you show up as the version of yourself. You're capable
of showing up as that day, and it doesn't need
to be determinant of what your future success will be
or how how great you can excel.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Even after maybe a failure.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
And also, you know you can't necessarily bank on one success.
It's a series of steps and each day is a
fresh day. So I think about a version of that
advice a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
That's fun for you to you're sweet, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
It is fun for me to hear. And I and
I and I do. I do believe that, and I
think in today's society, I mean that is something I
would continue to echo to kids on social media or
whatever now. Is that I do think and adults too.
You know, one thing is not determinant of your entire life.
(03:50):
It's not one judgment of you. You know, whether it's
a fashion fail on a red carpet or you know,
you lose your mind and you do something that maybe
wasn't great or whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
A divorce or a breakup, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Isn't determinant of your future ability to be happy, successful, healthy, kind, peaceful,
all the things that were after in our lives. And
I do think specifically when kids are in school, there
is so much pressure, like I got a D on
that test, boy, that's the end of the world. There's
(04:28):
nowhere for me to go from here. And that is
something I think as parents we do have to be
really cautious about creating an environment where our children don't
feel that way about them.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
We were just talking about that today on our show too,
because my daughter had come home with a sixty percent
and she had folded it up and I was like, oh,
why is this folded up? And then I saw why
and I was like, are you mad? I was like no,
not at all. I was like, just you know, do
you want to walk through it to see you know what?
You know what you didn't maybe understand? If not, Like,
(04:58):
I'm not, I just they have so much pressure and
there's so much it's like I just I'm like, I don't.
You're going to be fine, She's going to be successful.
It's as bad.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
You're totally right on there, because some parents will actually
go the other way, which is nothing matters, It doesn't matter,
and I'm not sure that's correct either. But having that
in between line, which is what it sounds like you
really rode delicately, is that you know, you want to
take it as an opportunity to say you were not
able to execute this knowledge on this test today. And
(05:31):
maybe that's knowledge you want to know, and maybe you
need to work on it a little bit differently in
order to grasp it. But it doesn't make you a
good or a bad person. It isn't representative of your
value as a human exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
And I find that the worst advice it's a spin
so you know, but I will say, Terry, is to
say to me a lot while you're on set growing up. No, No,
it's she would say, don't be like me.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Oh, and I think that's.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
The worst advice that she gave me because I think
that she's an incredible role model. I know she's an
incredible role model. And you were just flat out wrong
and I don't listen to.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You said that. Was there a piece of you that like,
what piece of you said that?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
She's lovingly self deprecating. You know, she's almost gonna person
who is you know, self critical like we all are.
And I think she took the responsibility of being someone's
on screen mother very seriously. And so yeah, that's my
that's my take on that.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
But what do you have something that I did the
worst piece of advice?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I mean, I think she really could have flown to
New York to stop me from cutting bangs and and
she didn't listen.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
We all have those friends, like I went blonde in
twenty twenty, and I was like, did I not have
one friend to say you, oh my god, horrendous excuse.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
For twenty twenty what we did in twenty twenty, you're.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Gonna pass like who was my friend? Like none of
none of them?
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Like yeah, and maybe not actually is not bad. That
is a good parenting moment.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
You do what you wanted to do.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
And she's always done that. I feel like, really rode
the line of being there for me and supportive and
willing to offer advice, but also going you know, you're
going to go out, you're gonna cut your bad bangs,
you're going to die your hair blonde, you're going to
date that person that everyone thought was a mistake, and
but letting me have my own failures that I that
(07:33):
I learned from.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, so yeah, I appreciate Jimmerson. How old were you
when Desperate Housewives was airing?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I was seven when I first met Andrea and when
the show first aired, and then I was sixteen when
the show ended, So it's really the majority of my adolescence.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Hi, I'm Terry Hatcher, and you may remember me as
Susan Meyer from Desperate Housewives.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I'm Andrea Bowen, though you may know me as Terry's
onscreen daughter, Julie Meyer.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
And I'm Emerson Tunney, Terry's real life daughter.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
And This is Desperately Devoted.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
A rewatch podcast dedicated to the iconic series Desperate Housewives.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
With two actors and a writer.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
One of whom is watching the show for the very
first time.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yes, that's me Andrea. Can you imagine if I had
let her watch it as a six year old.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
We will dive into all the behind the scene stories
of Asteria Lane.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
And look at how the show continues to inform conversations
about relationships, identity, and culture today.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
So, whether you are a diehard fan or you're watching it,
Mike Emerson for the very first time, we are.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
So excited to welcome you back to Asteria Lane because
we are desperately devoted to you.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Listen to desperately devoted on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts
or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I'm curious, and you probably didn't, but I'm just you know, obviously,
the hours of being on a set Terry is long.
And Emerson, was there ever a piece of you that
was jealous of the hours that Andrea got to spend
with Oh, your actual mother that you didn't get to
spend and having that kind of connection between Andrea and Terry,
And it's like, wait, that's it's my mom and I
(09:24):
want that time with her.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
That's such an interesting question, you know, I think as
an only child, I always wanted siblings, and Andrea really
was and still is the closest thing I feel to
having a sister. And I also think growing up with
divorced parents, you know, I split my time fifty to
fifty between my mom and dad, and I think it
allowed my mom to really stack a lot of her
filming days for when I was with my dad. And
(09:47):
so it was actually crazy how even though Desperate Housewives
was this huge show and she was working insane hours
when I was out of school, sometimes I would come
to set and visit. You know, she waspping up, but
she really made me feel like I was her number
one priority always, which now as I you know, am
(10:08):
more into adulthood, I'm looking at thirty a couple years away,
I really recognize this even more of a feat that
she could be. She did, Yeah, really carrying something so
tremendous and also still make me feel like I was
the most important thing in her life.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah. Can I just want to like shout out to
what a lovely thirteen year old Andrew was at the time.
So I have a memory, a memory of being in
Susan's house on West Terry Lane, which some people don't
know this not all the houses were what we call practical.
So some of them you would just kind of walk
in the front door, and then if you went into
(10:45):
the house, you'd have to go down to a stage
to shoot that. But Susan's house you could walk in.
You could be in the actual kitchen, you could be
in the living room, and you could film there. And
so we had a scene where we were shooting it
in the kitchen, which meant that in the living room
area there was a lot of camera equipment and whatever,
but it isn't where we were filming. And in between takes,
(11:07):
Andrea would sit down on the floor with Emerson at
I actually think you were six going on.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Seth Maybe it was when you were filming the pilot.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and Andrea would color with her and
they and I mean, and you try to think about
imagine asking an adult scene partner actor to sit on
the floor with your daughter and color in between takes.
You know they would never probably do that, and yet
that's what you did. You were just an amazing actress.
(11:37):
She comes from such an amazing family. I've literally never
seen anybody grow up in the business and turn out
to be a better human being. You can tell it's
a giant.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Love so sweet. I love it because how old were
you when your parents got divorced? I was five and
a half. Do you remember anything, because I always wonder
what my daughter will remember. Do you remember a divorce?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah, you know, I honestly, I think five and a
half is exactly the age where most of my memories
are really were after they were divorced, So that kind
of routine of splitting time was very normalized and sort
of ingrained into you know, I remember saying to my friends,
I think it would be weird to have my parents
in the same house, Like I don't know really what
that what that feels like. And they were both such
(12:21):
present parents with me when they had me, So yeah,
in a way, I feel really kind of lucky that
it just was what it was, and you know, you
kind of adapt. I know, my friends whose parents got
divorced maybe in middle school or that that sometimes felt
like there was a little bit more of an upheaval
because you're kind of baked on one track of what
you are ready for and then that changes.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And for sure, well we'll get to because obviously I
want to chat about y'all's podcast, but I just you know,
you've got two, Terry, You've got two just powerful, beautiful,
very supportive women next to you. And I'm curious because
now that you know you're single, so how much are
they in your ear about Hey, you should DM this person?
Or what about this person? Or like is there Emerson?
(13:05):
Has there been someone you're like? How did you date him?
And I don't like him? I mean, like what is
what is that chatter going on?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Because I need to.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Maybe more people, I could say something about, yeah, the.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Ship is completely sales. Oh true, it's there's there's not
even a ship. It's so far in the distance we
can't even see the horizon.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Because you don't want to be with someone, or because.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
It isn't that it isn't I am, I am not.
I consider myself very open hearted. Don't you say I'm
very adventurous. I'm very curious. I'm very you know, somebody
asked me to post the Amphar gala in Dallas. I'm
super excited. I love that cause, but I also like, sure,
I'll go do that. Like I I travel, I'm I'm
(13:52):
definitely an oversharer. I'm like that person in the gay store,
Oh my gosh, she makes so much fun of me. Like,
you know, God forbid, you're the cashier that says, like,
how's your day?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
That is a mistake because as soon.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
As you say as your day, I'm like, well, the
plumber came over this morning and things did not go
well with.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
The door, and then my dog came.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
So I but I just so when I say I'm
open hearted, I feel like if there was a way
to meet the right person, I would be open to it.
There's there's no closure about any of it. But I
guess what there is closure about is you know, I'm
(14:35):
not doing dating apps. I am so lucky to have
the same large but small at the same time circle
of friends that have been in my life for decades.
So there's no like new person to meet because I
know everyone.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And there's always someone new, but there's always But if
you're open hearted, then you're allowing space for that.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
But I'm allowing space and I just you know, the statistics.
I could go on and on about the statistics of
women over fifty or sixty and you.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Know, my ninety year old grandma has a boyfriend. Okay,
so now they just care.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
But I would say like, once you get to that,
once you get to eighty or ninety. There's potential, for sure,
so I look forward to that. I just think there's
a giant gap between sixty and eighty.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Were amascinating girl. If there was somebody who would you
want her to slide into a DM, There's got to
be there's got to be a general manager of a
baseball team somewhere.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
It's because I'm you know, protective and critical. I had
met somebody recently just no nobody would anyone would know,
not a.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Famous so not like Kevin Costner.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah no, but I had thought, oh, that's kind of
interesting because he was funny and smart and you know, active.
But then I saw him again and then I rolled
him out quite okay, But there was a seed. And
I think I even met like set you a message,
and I was like, I've met a guy, but I
don't think I think on second look, no, but anyway,
and I.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Would say, I don't. I don't have a specific person
that comes to mind, but I'm just putting it out
to the universe. The type of person who I would
like either to slide into your DMS after hearing this podcast,
or or you could slide into their DMS would be
someone who is kind, who has a big circle of community,
like a large circle of friends and a robust social
(16:27):
life outside of a relationship. I think a lot of
men specifically have smaller friend circles maybe than women, and
I think that's important to maintain that.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
And did your mom do the Golden Bachelorette?
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Oh my god, she can speak for herself on that.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Oh my god, absolutely, No, she's too young. No, I'm
not too young.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I don't know their demo.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
No, I'm okay, I'm exactly the right age. But no,
I mean, first of all, I won't do I know,
I'm I'm not going on television to do any of that.
But I'll tell you how open hearted I am. I
was at the Hollywood Bowl the other night seeing Josh
Grobin uh and the and the phil the Philharmonic and
and the conductor, who I only was seeing from the back,
(17:11):
mind you, was like so charismatic and tall and obviously talented,
and from the back I'm saying again that I leaned
over to my girlfriend and I went, I wonder if
he's single. Oh okay, he finally turned around and then
(17:32):
he sort of introduced himself to the crowd and started
like bantering with the crowd, and then I saw that
he had a wedding ring on. Yeah him, but had
good seats.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
You can see his wedding ring.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
No, you know, but that's that's just my point of
saying how open I am, that I really am. I
just but here's the thing, this is my point. I
wanted to get you just quickly. Is that? And for
other women my age, I think I think it's important
that they feel this way too, That you know, you're
only in control of what you're in control of. So
(18:03):
I can have an open heart, but I'm not in
control if anybody hits me up on a dating app
or if I meet the right guy or whatever. So
what I am in control of is my own mind
and my own joy. And so everything I do every
day is about you know, learning and connecting and experiencing
joy and creativity and being healthy and helping others, Like
(18:30):
all of those things are what my life is about.
And so it doesn't feel empty or lonely in any way.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Right, Like you have a lot of love in your life.
And that's that's what I always say to people, because
I talk a lot about divorce and you know, finding
love after and everyone said, you know, it's so easy
because now you're remarried. I'm like, yeah, but it's not
even about like I found love before I found my husband,
like you know, the husband that I'm with now. Because
I had my kids and I had a beautiful friends,
like I had a My life was full and it
(18:59):
there was a lot of love, and then Alan came
and made it even better. Right, But like it was,
I had the love and that's it's not always just
love of a relationship when we talk about that. So right, Yeah,
I love that. I think that's very true. Yeah. Yeah,
So Andrew, you were obviously young when this started airing.
Has it been fun to rewatch? Have you guys? When
(19:21):
did the podcast start? Like, yeah, to kind of talk
me through the whole process of all of it.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
So the podcast is out for the world today. We
have recorded a few episodes. This is the first time
I've ever rewatched it. I did watch it when it
was first on, but I've been thinking a lot about
how it feels to revisit it and rewatch it. Besides
just being so entertained by it, you know, objectively, it
(19:47):
is such a good show and it is so fun
to rewatch it. But for me specifically having been thirteen
when we shot the pilot, twenty two when we wrapped.
It's kind of like I'm watching it for the first
time because as a thirty five year old now you know,
mom to be, I relate to these women and these
dynamic characters and storylines in a way I just couldn't
(20:10):
have at thirteen, fourteen, fifteen.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
So it kind of feels like I'm actually watching it
for the first time too, even though you know it's
it's nostalgic and bringing up all these amazing memories for us.
But it's been a blast.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I think we're having so much fun. It is so
much fun. Are you guys going to have some of
the other actors come on too?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah? I mean I think you know we've got when
you've got three people, I'm sure you know this, like
you you've got three people co hosting a podcast that's
a lot of voices and a lot of opinions and
a lot of great, you know, banter to have between
our own reactions to it, and you know, also not
just talking about eat, like the specific scenes or specific
lines like oh my gosh, there's a line where the
(21:04):
Bree character says Rex cries after he ejaculates, you know,
like and like these crazy, amazing lines, and so we'll
talk about that in the context of the scene, but
then we also use it as a springboard to talk about,
you know, culturally relevant things of like what's happening right now,
(21:25):
like would a woman do that now? How might that
be different? And so there's a lot that I feel
like we have to offer. But that said, you know,
there were so many talented people on this show in
front of and behind the camera, and I think anybody
who we we offer the space, anybody who wants to
come on and share with us, you know, what their
(21:45):
journey was, would be amazing. But for now, like we're.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Finding our groove as the trio, but we are are
very open and excited for the possibility of welcoming other opinions.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, I love that, Terry. What was the I mean,
obviously it was a I mean it was a huge show.
I loved it so much, Thank you. What was What
do you think was the hardest back then? Because obviously
now there's social media and there's so much more noise.
So I think it's really nice. Like when I did
(22:19):
a show for a couple of years and it was
so great because there's there was no social media, and
I can't imagine what that would have been like with
the added because the tabloids were that pressure and the
annoyance of of the shows. But what what was the
hardest part about the rise of things being talked about
on the show? And then what was your the best
(22:41):
experience you had around it?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Well, I mean the whole thing, if you're if you're
looking back, is just you know, it's an amazing gift
and opportunity to be a part of anything that ends
up resonating in such a huge way and in a
way like I was a part of a series called
Lewis and Clark, which I feel like in its own
(23:05):
way has found literally generations since the nineties of families
and then families who had kids and then even their
kids all over the world watching this show with such warmth.
And you know, I get I get so touched by
(23:27):
hearing stories about families that watch. You remember remember in
the day when it was like family viewing, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I mean we did that, we watched Lois and Clark.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
That was right, that was our show, you know, And
and so to not just do that once, but then
to do that again with Desperate Housewives. Is is really
a gift And I would say overarching, you know, that's
the most beautiful thing you can imagine really as an entertainer,
I think is leaving behind work that that that people
(24:02):
still want to watch that that you know, you know,
especially this show, I'll get a lot people say, oh,
I grew up watching that with my mom, you know,
And as a single mom, I get that. I mean
I didn't let her watch it when it was on
because she was like seven, But but you know, I understand.
(24:24):
I know what we did watch together. We watched Project
Runway pretty you know, like and so I understand what
that what it means to have a memory of watching
a TV show with your mom, And that means a
lot to me that people will share that story, so,
(24:45):
you know, and in terms of tabloids, I think this
is I'm going to circle all the way back to
you know, what you asked Emerson about like the best
or the worst advice that that I I think that
I in general, I would advise people as they consider
these kinds of things that nothing is black as black
(25:06):
and white as you think it is, you know, and
and that you know they're certainly our media and our
social media wants to narrow things down to like this
sliver of of of black and white and and nothing
nothing is that way, and so you know, it's it's
(25:28):
it is what it is in this business. I mean,
back in the day, oh my god, it was crazy.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I mean, I was gonna say, in terms of the paparazzi.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, yeah, no, I thought for you as a little one.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
As a little I mean, because obviously Lows and Clark
was before I was born. I was born right after that,
and then Desperate Housewives happened when I around the time
I was six seven six, and it was crazy, and
I actually think I see, I mean, at least from Afar.
I know, it's obviously paparazzi are still everywhere and it's
crazy still. But when you see people like Gigi Deed,
(26:00):
who you know, don't show their kids' faces and the
tabloids and people feel very respectful of that, maybe because
of social media, because it's more in the power of
famous figures to share what they want to share or
not online. But at the time that that didn't exist.
It was so scary, scary and invasive, and we used
to I mean, they would camp out ten twenty cars
(26:24):
in front of the house and we would drive and
my mom's best friend, who's daughter is one of my
best friends childhood friends. They would drive and meet us
in the underground parking lot of the galleria in Sherman
Oaks and we would switch cars and my mom would
drive out in her friend's car just so her and
I could like go get lunch and not have you know.
It was really kind of nuts.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yes, some of that's changed. Some of the laws around
what you could do or couldn't do with celebrities children
has changed. There was no real protections when you were
little except.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Remember when these people, Yeah, I remember when those people
stood up in made that human wall when we were
leaving the movie theater and I was so scared of
the really big long lenses. I must have been six.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
I mean they look like, you know, guns pointed at
you when they're close like that and huge.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
And he's really nice gentlemen and a couple of women
who were waiting if I remember this, we're waiting at
the valet for their cars all kind of got in
like a human wall in front of my mom.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
It was it was really sweet.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I can't believe you.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I mean, I can't say I think that. I think
about this, and I think you and I have talked
about this. I am so grateful that Desperate Housewives existed
before social media. You know, I just I think the
experience would have been so different. I can't say exactly
how because it wasn't a thing, but as a teenager
on TV, I would imagine it's it's maybe would make
(27:49):
the experience worse or harder. And you know, it's a
very vulnerable thing to grow up on TV. You go
through all of your awkward phases in front of so
many eyeballs, and and that already comes with its own baggage,
and I imagine it would just be tenfold with social media.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So yeah, well, I just yeah, I mean, it's such
a good show. And I never like when I see
how media portrays, like you were saying, black and white,
you know, how they portray oh these people, you know,
when they pick the women about against each other. That's
where it really frustrates me because it's like, why are
you intentionally you know, making issues and then causing that
(28:28):
to be the storyline And it's like, yes, you were
the star. They're but amazing supporting cast and you know,
you're you know, it's just it is what it is.
And then they just they just narrow in on something
that is a negative against women, and I just I've
never never liked that. I've seen done so many shows
that I have love and watch.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You know, yeah, yeah, and it can happen, and yeah,
we've we've all seen it. And I think that's one
of the reasons why we're so enjoying getting to share
our experience firsthand and and rehab what our personal memories
are and give people a peek behind the scenes of
what really kind of bonded us and bonded all.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Of us, and also what it took to make that show.
I mean, the writing, the artistry behind it. Like when
you rewatch the pilot, which is our first episode, the
first two minutes of the pilot, it's and it's not
really any of the main lead characters in the thing.
It's the neighborhood itself that is the star. It's with
(29:29):
Sterarria Lane, and I don't know, I just don't recall
seeing television made like quite like that, and certainly not
back then, and so I think our podcast coming back
to that is really you know, part of it is
this love letter to what an amazing show it was
(29:50):
and certainly for its time.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, and I think of amazing cinematography and all of it.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah yeah, and as a writer, especially looking at these
five incredible female characters who are so strong and distinct,
and each one really feels like they speak to a
facet of all of the parts of being a woman
that we contain inside of ourselves. You know, there's totally
a part of me that relates to the Gabby character,
(30:16):
but then also to the Free character, but then of
course to Lynette, who you know, wants to reclaim herself
as someone who's working and is kind of told she
has to give that up as a mother. And Susan
is so endearing and it really is. I mean, everyone
did such beautiful work.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, I know, it's making me want to rewatch it.
So I'm excited. Everyone listened to Desperately Devoted and rewatch
along with them. You can listen to Desperately Devoted wherever
you listen to podcasts. Ladies, thank you so much for
coming on. Thank you so much, so nice to talk
to you y'all too, And congrats again on the baby. Oh,
thank you so much. I guys have a good bye.
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All right, I've got three ladies coming on as a
guest today. One you will definitely recognize Terry Hatcher, and
Andrea Bowen and Emerson Tenny. They are coming on. They've
got a new podcast, Desperately Devoted where they go through
Desperate Housewives. And Andrea is was obviously her TV daughter,
and Emerson is her real daughter. So let's get Terry
(00:30):
and the ladies on. Hi. Hello, well, ladies, you guys
are are I mean I already want to listen to
your podcast. I mean, you guys are fascious.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Thanks so well.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
First of all, and congratulations, I just found out you
you're pregnant, Andrea.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, I am pregnant. Yes, first, very excited.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
First baby, little girl, amazing, so so great. So and
listening like Terry, look at that, like you know you
got you can give some mothering advice right there, because
you've got your daughter Emerson with you. I'm full of it.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
What actually really cool because getting to grow up with
Terry as my on screen mom and alongside Emerson, I've
seen what an incredible mom Terry is, and so I
it's a very sweet and serendipitous experience to be now
pregnant with my first baby while we embark on this
new journey together.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
And I also told her after her and her husband
posted the big news last night. The first thing I
said is, I'm a very good babysitter and I do
not live that far away from you.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I am true, and I.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Live further away, but I also have a very good
babysitter over who gets to.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Watch the baby. That's very sweet. I love that. I'm
curious though, because since you obviously played on screen and Emerson,
you're you know, that's your mom in real life, actual moment,
your actual mom. What is what is the best for
both of you, guys? What is the best piece of
advice you've gotten from your mom and the worst piece?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Oh gosh, okay do we both answer this?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, he's on me.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I'm the real daughter.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I guess I'll go for.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
I just remember Christmas is coming. Well.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Best piece of advice is hard, honestly, because there are
so many. I think something that really sticks with me
and I think about it in many eras of my life.
I think you first said this to me when I
don't know. I must have been an elementary school, and
I transferred schools. I was going to a kind of
Waldorf school, which doesn't have the same emphasis on academics
(02:33):
the way that a lot of schools do. And I
went to a kind of more rigorous academic school. And
I was horrible at taking tests, the standardized test. I
just had never done something like that. My mom said
to me, you know, just remember a test is only
a reflection of what you know on the day that
you take it.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
And I think, you know, it had wisdom at the time,
But I think about it all the time now as
a screenwriter when I'm going into pitches in work setting,
you show up as the version of yourself. You're capable
of showing up as that day, and it doesn't need
to be determinant of what your future success will be
or how how great you can excel.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Even after maybe a failure.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
And also, you know you can't necessarily bank on one success.
It's a series of steps and each day is a
fresh day. So I think about a version of that
advice a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
That's fun for you to you're sweet, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
It is fun for me to hear. And I and
I and I do. I do believe that, and I
think in today's society, I mean that is something I
would continue to echo to kids on social media or
whatever now. Is that I do think and adults too.
You know, one thing is not determinant of your entire life.
(03:50):
It's not one judgment of you. You know, whether it's
a fashion fail on a red carpet or you know,
you lose your mind and you do something that maybe
wasn't great or whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
A divorce or a breakup, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Isn't determinant of your future ability to be happy, successful, healthy, kind, peaceful,
all the things that were after in our lives. And
I do think specifically when kids are in school, there
is so much pressure, like I got a D on
that test, boy, that's the end of the world. There's
(04:28):
nowhere for me to go from here. And that is
something I think as parents we do have to be
really cautious about creating an environment where our children don't
feel that way about them.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
We were just talking about that today on our show too,
because my daughter had come home with a sixty percent
and she had folded it up and I was like, oh,
why is this folded up? And then I saw why
and I was like, are you mad? I was like no,
not at all. I was like, just you know, do
you want to walk through it to see you know what?
You know what you didn't maybe understand? If not, Like,
(04:58):
I'm not, I just they have so much pressure and
there's so much it's like I just I'm like, I don't.
You're going to be fine, She's going to be successful.
It's as bad.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
You're totally right on there, because some parents will actually
go the other way, which is nothing matters, It doesn't matter,
and I'm not sure that's correct either. But having that
in between line, which is what it sounds like you
really rode delicately, is that you know, you want to
take it as an opportunity to say you were not
able to execute this knowledge on this test today. And
(05:31):
maybe that's knowledge you want to know, and maybe you
need to work on it a little bit differently in
order to grasp it. But it doesn't make you a
good or a bad person. It isn't representative of your
value as a human exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
And I find that the worst advice it's a spin
so you know, but I will say, Terry, is to
say to me a lot while you're on set growing up. No, No,
it's she would say, don't be like me.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Oh, and I think that's.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
The worst advice that she gave me because I think
that she's an incredible role model. I know she's an
incredible role model. And you were just flat out wrong
and I don't listen to.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You said that. Was there a piece of you that like,
what piece of you said that?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
She's lovingly self deprecating. You know, she's almost gonna person
who is you know, self critical like we all are.
And I think she took the responsibility of being someone's
on screen mother very seriously. And so yeah, that's my
that's my take on that.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
But what do you have something that I did the
worst piece of advice?
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I mean, I think she really could have flown to
New York to stop me from cutting bangs and and
she didn't listen.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
We all have those friends, like I went blonde in
twenty twenty, and I was like, did I not have
one friend to say you, oh my god, horrendous excuse.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
For twenty twenty what we did in twenty twenty, you're.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Gonna pass like who was my friend? Like none of
none of them?
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Like yeah, and maybe not actually is not bad. That
is a good parenting moment.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
You do what you wanted to do.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
And she's always done that. I feel like, really rode
the line of being there for me and supportive and
willing to offer advice, but also going you know, you're
going to go out, you're gonna cut your bad bangs,
you're going to die your hair blonde, you're going to
date that person that everyone thought was a mistake, and
but letting me have my own failures that I that
(07:33):
I learned from.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, so yeah, I appreciate Jimmerson. How old were you
when Desperate Housewives was airing?
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I was seven when I first met Andrea and when
the show first aired, and then I was sixteen when
the show ended, So it's really the majority of my adolescence.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Hi, I'm Terry Hatcher, and you may remember me as
Susan Meyer from Desperate Housewives.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I'm Andrea Bowen, though you may know me as Terry's
onscreen daughter, Julie Meyer.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
And I'm Emerson Tunney, Terry's real life daughter.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
And This is Desperately Devoted.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
A rewatch podcast dedicated to the iconic series Desperate Housewives.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
With two actors and a writer.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
One of whom is watching the show for the very
first time.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yes, that's me Andrea. Can you imagine if I had
let her watch it as a six year old.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
We will dive into all the behind the scene stories
of Asteria Lane.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
And look at how the show continues to inform conversations
about relationships, identity, and culture today.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
So, whether you are a diehard fan or you're watching it,
Mike Emerson for the very first time, we are.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
So excited to welcome you back to Asteria Lane because
we are desperately devoted to you.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Listen to desperately devoted on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts
or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I'm curious, and you probably didn't, but I'm just you know, obviously,
the hours of being on a set Terry is long.
And Emerson, was there ever a piece of you that
was jealous of the hours that Andrea got to spend
with Oh, your actual mother that you didn't get to
spend and having that kind of connection between Andrea and Terry,
And it's like, wait, that's it's my mom and I
(09:24):
want that time with her.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
That's such an interesting question, you know, I think as
an only child, I always wanted siblings, and Andrea really
was and still is the closest thing I feel to
having a sister. And I also think growing up with
divorced parents, you know, I split my time fifty to
fifty between my mom and dad, and I think it
allowed my mom to really stack a lot of her
filming days for when I was with my dad. And
(09:47):
so it was actually crazy how even though Desperate Housewives
was this huge show and she was working insane hours
when I was out of school, sometimes I would come
to set and visit. You know, she waspping up, but
she really made me feel like I was her number
one priority always, which now as I you know, am
(10:08):
more into adulthood, I'm looking at thirty a couple years away,
I really recognize this even more of a feat that
she could be. She did, Yeah, really carrying something so
tremendous and also still make me feel like I was
the most important thing in her life.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah. Can I just want to like shout out to
what a lovely thirteen year old Andrew was at the time.
So I have a memory, a memory of being in
Susan's house on West Terry Lane, which some people don't
know this not all the houses were what we call practical.
So some of them you would just kind of walk
in the front door, and then if you went into
(10:45):
the house, you'd have to go down to a stage
to shoot that. But Susan's house you could walk in.
You could be in the actual kitchen, you could be
in the living room, and you could film there. And
so we had a scene where we were shooting it
in the kitchen, which meant that in the living room
area there was a lot of camera equipment and whatever,
but it isn't where we were filming. And in between takes,
(11:07):
Andrea would sit down on the floor with Emerson at
I actually think you were six going on.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Seth Maybe it was when you were filming the pilot.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and Andrea would color with her and
they and I mean, and you try to think about
imagine asking an adult scene partner actor to sit on
the floor with your daughter and color in between takes.
You know they would never probably do that, and yet
that's what you did. You were just an amazing actress.
(11:37):
She comes from such an amazing family. I've literally never
seen anybody grow up in the business and turn out
to be a better human being. You can tell it's
a giant.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Love so sweet. I love it because how old were
you when your parents got divorced? I was five and
a half. Do you remember anything, because I always wonder
what my daughter will remember. Do you remember a divorce?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah, you know, I honestly, I think five and a
half is exactly the age where most of my memories
are really were after they were divorced, So that kind
of routine of splitting time was very normalized and sort
of ingrained into you know, I remember saying to my friends,
I think it would be weird to have my parents
in the same house, Like I don't know really what
that what that feels like. And they were both such
(12:21):
present parents with me when they had me, So yeah,
in a way, I feel really kind of lucky that
it just was what it was, and you know, you
kind of adapt. I know, my friends whose parents got
divorced maybe in middle school or that that sometimes felt
like there was a little bit more of an upheaval
because you're kind of baked on one track of what
you are ready for and then that changes.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And for sure, well we'll get to because obviously I
want to chat about y'all's podcast, but I just you know,
you've got two, Terry, You've got two just powerful, beautiful,
very supportive women next to you. And I'm curious because
now that you know you're single, so how much are
they in your ear about Hey, you should DM this person?
Or what about this person? Or like is there Emerson?
(13:05):
Has there been someone you're like? How did you date him?
And I don't like him? I mean, like what is
what is that chatter going on?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Because I need to.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Maybe more people, I could say something about, yeah, the.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Ship is completely sales. Oh true, it's there's there's not
even a ship. It's so far in the distance we
can't even see the horizon.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Because you don't want to be with someone, or because.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
It isn't that it isn't I am, I am not.
I consider myself very open hearted. Don't you say I'm
very adventurous. I'm very curious. I'm very you know, somebody
asked me to post the Amphar gala in Dallas. I'm
super excited. I love that cause, but I also like, sure,
I'll go do that. Like I I travel, I'm I'm
(13:52):
definitely an oversharer. I'm like that person in the gay store,
Oh my gosh, she makes so much fun of me. Like,
you know, God forbid, you're the cashier that says, like,
how's your day?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
That is a mistake because as soon.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
As you say as your day, I'm like, well, the
plumber came over this morning and things did not go
well with.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
The door, and then my dog came.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
So I but I just so when I say I'm
open hearted, I feel like if there was a way
to meet the right person, I would be open to it.
There's there's no closure about any of it. But I
guess what there is closure about is you know, I'm
(14:35):
not doing dating apps. I am so lucky to have
the same large but small at the same time circle
of friends that have been in my life for decades.
So there's no like new person to meet because I
know everyone.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And there's always someone new, but there's always But if
you're open hearted, then you're allowing space for that.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
But I'm allowing space and I just you know, the statistics.
I could go on and on about the statistics of
women over fifty or sixty and you.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Know, my ninety year old grandma has a boyfriend. Okay,
so now they just care.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
But I would say like, once you get to that,
once you get to eighty or ninety. There's potential, for sure,
so I look forward to that. I just think there's
a giant gap between sixty and eighty.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Were amascinating girl. If there was somebody who would you
want her to slide into a DM, There's got to
be there's got to be a general manager of a
baseball team somewhere.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
It's because I'm you know, protective and critical. I had
met somebody recently just no nobody would anyone would know,
not a.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Famous so not like Kevin Costner.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah no, but I had thought, oh, that's kind of
interesting because he was funny and smart and you know, active.
But then I saw him again and then I rolled
him out quite okay, But there was a seed. And
I think I even met like set you a message,
and I was like, I've met a guy, but I
don't think I think on second look, no, but anyway,
and I.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Would say, I don't. I don't have a specific person
that comes to mind, but I'm just putting it out
to the universe. The type of person who I would
like either to slide into your DMS after hearing this podcast,
or or you could slide into their DMS would be
someone who is kind, who has a big circle of community,
like a large circle of friends and a robust social
(16:27):
life outside of a relationship. I think a lot of
men specifically have smaller friend circles maybe than women, and
I think that's important to maintain that.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
And did your mom do the Golden Bachelorette?
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Oh my god, she can speak for herself on that.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Oh my god, absolutely, No, she's too young. No, I'm
not too young.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
I don't know their demo.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
No, I'm okay, I'm exactly the right age. But no,
I mean, first of all, I won't do I know,
I'm I'm not going on television to do any of that.
But I'll tell you how open hearted I am. I
was at the Hollywood Bowl the other night seeing Josh
Grobin uh and the and the phil the Philharmonic and
and the conductor, who I only was seeing from the back,
(17:11):
mind you, was like so charismatic and tall and obviously talented,
and from the back I'm saying again that I leaned
over to my girlfriend and I went, I wonder if
he's single. Oh okay, he finally turned around and then
(17:32):
he sort of introduced himself to the crowd and started
like bantering with the crowd, and then I saw that
he had a wedding ring on. Yeah him, but had
good seats.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
You can see his wedding ring.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
No, you know, but that's that's just my point of
saying how open I am, that I really am. I
just but here's the thing, this is my point. I
wanted to get you just quickly. Is that? And for
other women my age, I think I think it's important
that they feel this way too, That you know, you're
only in control of what you're in control of. So
(18:03):
I can have an open heart, but I'm not in
control if anybody hits me up on a dating app
or if I meet the right guy or whatever. So
what I am in control of is my own mind
and my own joy. And so everything I do every
day is about you know, learning and connecting and experiencing
joy and creativity and being healthy and helping others, Like
(18:30):
all of those things are what my life is about.
And so it doesn't feel empty or lonely in any way.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Right, Like you have a lot of love in your life.
And that's that's what I always say to people, because
I talk a lot about divorce and you know, finding
love after and everyone said, you know, it's so easy
because now you're remarried. I'm like, yeah, but it's not
even about like I found love before I found my husband,
like you know, the husband that I'm with now. Because
I had my kids and I had a beautiful friends,
like I had a My life was full and it
(18:59):
there was a lot of love, and then Alan came
and made it even better. Right, But like it was,
I had the love and that's it's not always just
love of a relationship when we talk about that. So right, Yeah,
I love that. I think that's very true. Yeah. Yeah,
So Andrew, you were obviously young when this started airing.
Has it been fun to rewatch? Have you guys? When
(19:21):
did the podcast start? Like, yeah, to kind of talk
me through the whole process of all of it.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
So the podcast is out for the world today. We
have recorded a few episodes. This is the first time
I've ever rewatched it. I did watch it when it
was first on, but I've been thinking a lot about
how it feels to revisit it and rewatch it. Besides
just being so entertained by it, you know, objectively, it
(19:47):
is such a good show and it is so fun
to rewatch it. But for me specifically having been thirteen
when we shot the pilot, twenty two when we wrapped.
It's kind of like I'm watching it for the first
time because as a thirty five year old now you know,
mom to be, I relate to these women and these
dynamic characters and storylines in a way I just couldn't
(20:10):
have at thirteen, fourteen, fifteen.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
So it kind of feels like I'm actually watching it
for the first time too, even though you know it's
it's nostalgic and bringing up all these amazing memories for us.
But it's been a blast.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I think we're having so much fun. It is so
much fun. Are you guys going to have some of
the other actors come on too?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah? I mean I think you know we've got when
you've got three people, I'm sure you know this, like
you you've got three people co hosting a podcast that's
a lot of voices and a lot of opinions and
a lot of great, you know, banter to have between
our own reactions to it, and you know, also not
just talking about eat, like the specific scenes or specific
lines like oh my gosh, there's a line where the
(21:04):
Bree character says Rex cries after he ejaculates, you know,
like and like these crazy, amazing lines, and so we'll
talk about that in the context of the scene, but
then we also use it as a springboard to talk about,
you know, culturally relevant things of like what's happening right now,
(21:25):
like would a woman do that now? How might that
be different? And so there's a lot that I feel
like we have to offer. But that said, you know,
there were so many talented people on this show in
front of and behind the camera, and I think anybody
who we we offer the space, anybody who wants to
come on and share with us, you know, what their
(21:45):
journey was, would be amazing. But for now, like we're.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Finding our groove as the trio, but we are are
very open and excited for the possibility of welcoming other opinions.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, I love that, Terry. What was the I mean,
obviously it was a I mean it was a huge show.
I loved it so much, Thank you. What was What
do you think was the hardest back then? Because obviously
now there's social media and there's so much more noise.
So I think it's really nice. Like when I did
(22:19):
a show for a couple of years and it was
so great because there's there was no social media, and
I can't imagine what that would have been like with
the added because the tabloids were that pressure and the
annoyance of of the shows. But what what was the
hardest part about the rise of things being talked about
on the show? And then what was your the best
(22:41):
experience you had around it?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Well, I mean the whole thing, if you're if you're
looking back, is just you know, it's an amazing gift
and opportunity to be a part of anything that ends
up resonating in such a huge way and in a
way like I was a part of a series called
Lewis and Clark, which I feel like in its own
(23:05):
way has found literally generations since the nineties of families
and then families who had kids and then even their
kids all over the world watching this show with such warmth.
And you know, I get I get so touched by
(23:27):
hearing stories about families that watch. You remember remember in
the day when it was like family viewing, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I mean we did that, we watched Lois and Clark.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
That was right, that was our show, you know, And
and so to not just do that once, but then
to do that again with Desperate Housewives. Is is really
a gift And I would say overarching, you know, that's
the most beautiful thing you can imagine really as an entertainer,
I think is leaving behind work that that that people
(24:02):
still want to watch that that you know, you know,
especially this show, I'll get a lot people say, oh,
I grew up watching that with my mom, you know,
And as a single mom, I get that. I mean
I didn't let her watch it when it was on
because she was like seven, But but you know, I understand.
(24:24):
I know what we did watch together. We watched Project
Runway pretty you know, like and so I understand what
that what it means to have a memory of watching
a TV show with your mom, And that means a
lot to me that people will share that story, so,
(24:45):
you know, and in terms of tabloids, I think this
is I'm going to circle all the way back to
you know, what you asked Emerson about like the best
or the worst advice that that I I think that
I in general, I would advise people as they consider
these kinds of things that nothing is black as black
(25:06):
and white as you think it is, you know, and
and that you know they're certainly our media and our
social media wants to narrow things down to like this
sliver of of of black and white and and nothing
nothing is that way, and so you know, it's it's
(25:28):
it is what it is in this business. I mean,
back in the day, oh my god, it was crazy.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I mean, I was gonna say, in terms of the paparazzi.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, yeah, no, I thought for you as a little one.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
As a little I mean, because obviously Lows and Clark
was before I was born. I was born right after that,
and then Desperate Housewives happened when I around the time
I was six seven six, and it was crazy, and
I actually think I see, I mean, at least from Afar.
I know, it's obviously paparazzi are still everywhere and it's
crazy still. But when you see people like Gigi Deed,
(26:00):
who you know, don't show their kids' faces and the
tabloids and people feel very respectful of that, maybe because
of social media, because it's more in the power of
famous figures to share what they want to share or
not online. But at the time that that didn't exist.
It was so scary, scary and invasive, and we used
to I mean, they would camp out ten twenty cars
(26:24):
in front of the house and we would drive and
my mom's best friend, who's daughter is one of my
best friends childhood friends. They would drive and meet us
in the underground parking lot of the galleria in Sherman
Oaks and we would switch cars and my mom would
drive out in her friend's car just so her and
I could like go get lunch and not have you know.
It was really kind of nuts.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yes, some of that's changed. Some of the laws around
what you could do or couldn't do with celebrities children
has changed. There was no real protections when you were
little except.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Remember when these people, Yeah, I remember when those people
stood up in made that human wall when we were
leaving the movie theater and I was so scared of
the really big long lenses. I must have been six.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
I mean they look like, you know, guns pointed at
you when they're close like that and huge.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
And he's really nice gentlemen and a couple of women
who were waiting if I remember this, we're waiting at
the valet for their cars all kind of got in
like a human wall in front of my mom.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
It was it was really sweet.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I can't believe you.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I mean, I can't say I think that. I think
about this, and I think you and I have talked
about this. I am so grateful that Desperate Housewives existed
before social media. You know, I just I think the
experience would have been so different. I can't say exactly
how because it wasn't a thing, but as a teenager
on TV, I would imagine it's it's maybe would make
(27:49):
the experience worse or harder. And you know, it's a
very vulnerable thing to grow up on TV. You go
through all of your awkward phases in front of so
many eyeballs, and and that already comes with its own baggage,
and I imagine it would just be tenfold with social media.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So yeah, well, I just yeah, I mean, it's such
a good show. And I never like when I see
how media portrays, like you were saying, black and white,
you know, how they portray oh these people, you know,
when they pick the women about against each other. That's
where it really frustrates me because it's like, why are
you intentionally you know, making issues and then causing that
(28:28):
to be the storyline And it's like, yes, you were
the star. They're but amazing supporting cast and you know,
you're you know, it's just it is what it is.
And then they just they just narrow in on something
that is a negative against women, and I just I've
never never liked that. I've seen done so many shows
that I have love and watch.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You know, yeah, yeah, and it can happen, and yeah,
we've we've all seen it. And I think that's one
of the reasons why we're so enjoying getting to share
our experience firsthand and and rehab what our personal memories
are and give people a peek behind the scenes of
what really kind of bonded us and bonded all.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Of us, and also what it took to make that show.
I mean, the writing, the artistry behind it. Like when
you rewatch the pilot, which is our first episode, the
first two minutes of the pilot, it's and it's not
really any of the main lead characters in the thing.
It's the neighborhood itself that is the star. It's with
(29:29):
Sterarria Lane, and I don't know, I just don't recall
seeing television made like quite like that, and certainly not
back then, and so I think our podcast coming back
to that is really you know, part of it is
this love letter to what an amazing show it was
(29:50):
and certainly for its time.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, and I think of amazing cinematography and all of it.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah yeah, and as a writer, especially looking at these
five incredible female characters who are so strong and distinct,
and each one really feels like they speak to a
facet of all of the parts of being a woman
that we contain inside of ourselves. You know, there's totally
a part of me that relates to the Gabby character,
(30:16):
but then also to the Free character, but then of
course to Lynette, who you know, wants to reclaim herself
as someone who's working and is kind of told she
has to give that up as a mother. And Susan
is so endearing and it really is. I mean, everyone
did such beautiful work.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, I know, it's making me want to rewatch it.
So I'm excited. Everyone listened to Desperately Devoted and rewatch
along with them. You can listen to Desperately Devoted wherever
you listen to podcasts. Ladies, thank you so much for
coming on. Thank you so much, so nice to talk
to you y'all too, And congrats again on the baby. Oh,
thank you so much. I guys have a good bye.
Host
Jana Kramer
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