May 7, 2025 • 28 mins
There is so much pressure for our lives to be “perfect”, but Dr. Tiffany Moon is here to help Jana and Allan understand that not everything is perfect… and that’s okay!
She shares her experience equating success with her self-worth, and we hear her inspiring story of exploring her creative side that was ignored for years.
Plus, Dr. Moon lets us in on how “The Real Housewives of Dallas” caused a strain on her family, and we find out what she learned through the process.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio Podcast.
I have a question for you, bib where do you
think you are lacking in joy?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I think I'm lacking in joy.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Yeah, that's a very good question.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Thank you. Joy.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Joy's a funny what. He's not what that I use
often enough or even think about. Maybe that's a problem.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I think that's a problem. But I hear you because
I didn't. I didn't chase Joy until after my divorce.
So I had this hole. And this is something like
we might not know about me, but because I know
you didn't read my book, but there is a whole
time period for me that my therapist was like, I
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need you to chase Joy. She's like, you, there's so
much joy around, but you just aren't seeing it. And
she's like, I want you to go chase it. I
want you to go find it. And so I mean,
I went to Ireland and you know, did certain things,
and my whole mission was chasing Joy. And I've always
kind of remembered that, but I didn't definitely didn't see
that before. And so now I guess for you, you not
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really knowing or recognizing than Joy.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
No, I recognized Joy like last night and bed was
was was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
The way that you were behaving. That's that's joy for me.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
We gotta give them a little bit more contact than
that last night when we were in bed, the way
you were behaving.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You were funny because you were so hungry.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I was so hungry, guy, I.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Was pretending to eat and bite darving, bite me.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I came home to I have a thing where I
love to have a vanilla cinnamon yogurt at night. It
is my It's almost like my ice cream. It's a dessert,
but it's you know, semi good for you. It's a
Ciggy's vanilla cinnamon if you see it at Kroger, Public's,
Whole Foods, whatever, grab one. So good. And we were
out of that. We had no snacks, so I grabbed
a bag of sta uh Dill pickle chips. They were
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as old as ever, and they were so but I was,
I mean so like there was just niney eight. I
was starving, and so I was being silly in bed,
and I was like biting you.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And you're trying to cover my face and Dylan pickle tongue.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, I was just being silly.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So yeah, so that's listen, those things that bring.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Me joy, like like me biting you.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Like playing with the kids and date nights and like
when Troy's here and being on the field with them,
And there's there's plenty of things that bring me joy.
What I tend to be really guilty of is I
tell myself that I don't deserve certain things because I'm
trying to achieve certain things at the moment, because I'm
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in building mode and building phase. I'm like, you don't
deserve to go and you don't have the time to
go and spend time with your mates. You don't have
the time to go and play golf. You don't have
the time too to go and relax, like go on
the bike for ten minutes. Like even then, I'm like,
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I can't be doing this. I'm so busy with it
so much so I am very guilty of.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Robbing yourself of joy.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, yeah, because it's again, it's like the plants outside
that it's not a priority for me to achieve what
I need to achieve the auphor it gets put on
the back on the.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Well, that's not joy. But I mean, you know that
robbing yourself of joy is not a good thing.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I'm not completely robbed of joy.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I know, but you should go out and like you
deserve to go to a golf course and play golf
because that brings you joy. Like you should be doing
things that bring yourself joy. We are always busy now
I'm not. It's not like an everyday thing, right, but
if there is an every day thing that brings you joy,
then you know, like you like to medicate, meditate, medicaid medica.
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You like to meditate that brings you joy, right, that
gives you sorry, that brings you peace.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
But working out brings me joy. Yeah, but not working
out in the garage myself going to Devon knowing that
he's going to push me as hard as he can
push me for an hour, but then professional boundaries that
brings me joy.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I feel like if people don't chase that joy or
that don't do things, you're gonna just you're going to
be so bogged down and so that stress is just
gonna cover you and then you I think when you're covered,
it's like literally if you picture like like covered, not
being able to see, you're gonna miss the beautiful things
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that are actually happening around you that are full of joy.
Like hanging out with the kids or jumping the trampoline.
It's like, that's why I took the kids out of school.
I was so stressed. I have an entire script I
needed to learn, and it it's like, no, I'm getting
the kids out of school early. I want to jump
on the trampoline with them. I want to play with
them on it because they bring me so much joy.
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And it's like I want to be around that, and like,
you know, we will work together and we have fun,
but I feel like we're so grinding so many things
out and covering ourselves with so much stress and things
that we have to do and obviously and work, but
we're almost robbing ourselves of that joy because like you say,
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you don't feel like we deserve it. I say, we
don't have that much time. But I feel like we
really need to prioritize.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I don't feel like we deserve it. It's just.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Or that you deserve it in men.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, I think it's I won't fully enjoy it anyway
because I know how much I've got to the so
what's the point in doing it? Just get the stuff
done that I need to do to build and get
to a point but it's stupid because you hear every
hyper successful person say, well, even when you get there,
you're not going to be happy. So be more present
than the moment that surrounds you at the moment. And
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there's a lot of trip in that.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Pick a day on the calendar, everyone, pick a day
on the calendar and just put find some joy or like,
do something that brings you joy.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
There's lots of things that bring me joy.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
No, I know, but we need to prioritize that a
little bit more like we prioritize other things on our schedule.
And speaking of joy, we've got Tiffany Moon on. She's
got a new book out called Joy Prescriptions How I
learned to stop chasing perfection and embrace connection. Let's get
her on all right, Tiffany. I am Jana. This is
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my husband Alan. Nice to meet you so much for
coming on. So are you currently in Dallas? Yes? Do
you love it?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
No?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
No?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I mean it's fine, it's fine, it's love. I meant
to say yes.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Where are you from? Originally?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I was born in China, lived in New York most
of my life, and did medical school in Texas and
then did residency in San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Okay, and then so why did you end up in Dallas?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
My husband.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It's awesome, I know, Sorry I dragged him from from Yeah.
Oh okay, well Scotland. Well yeah, technically, yeah, you're in London.
I have a question because, uh do you? Because obviously
your book is called Joy Prescriptions How I learned to
stop chasing perfection and brace connection. And I've talked to
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a few other people from the Asian culture and they've
always said that because of their culture, it inmbedded in them,
this perfection, perfectionism that came from their mom and dad.
And I'm curious, is that kind of the same for you?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yes, much of it is culturally driven, and I think
societally driven as well. You know that as a woman
you have to be you know, beautiful, thin, smart, sassy,
you know, like do all the things.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Sure, why is that in the in the Asian culture?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
In the Asian culture, you know, you respect your elders,
you never talk back. It's not a culture that embraces
individuality or creativity. It's a culture that embraces conformity, falling
in line, staying silent, doing what you're told, not peep
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piping up, you know, it's sort of that old school mentality,
and I think it turns out a lot of damaged
youth who end up feeling like they're never good enough.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Mm. Yeah, I mean that is that's a whole society too. Yeah,
that's so for you. What was the thing that you
were chasing that kind of kept you in that, you know,
the cycle.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I just thought that if I achieved more than I
would finally be worthy of being loved. I was raised
in a household where if I brought home a ninety
six on a test, the question was what did you
get wrong? Not great job you got in ninety six.
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The glass was always half empty. If it wasn't full,
it was empty. We grew up poor. We moved all
the time. My mom clicked coupons. We ate half rotten
produce because that's what was on sale. I had all
my clothes from goodwill or garage swords. I don't think
I owned like a new item from a wal Mart
or a Target until I was like it well into
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my teens. And so I think when you live in
a constant mindset of scarcity, you're always like holding onto things,
not sharing, because are always afraid that like the other
shoe is gonna draw, you know, So you're not into
like sharing and being kind and whatever. It's always like
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how much can I save for myself because winter is coming? Sure,
And it's just not a very collaborative mindset. And that's
how I was raised.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Like a survival mindset, isn't it. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, the same.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
That's exactly how I grew up as well. Did you
grow Yeah, well, we don't have a lot of money.
When I grew up, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I remember wanting a tennis racket. Of the summer tennis
season started and I wanted a tennis racket and mom
and dad couldn't afford it.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I don't steal.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
It, Oh Jesus, I mean yeah, I mean yeah, I
mean we didn't either. But I had no idea that you.
I thought your parents, you guys were not.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
At the very beginning, though we had to.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
My mom and dad walked hard, but we never we
never had There's a lot of things that we could
have onto this two brothers growing up, which we wish
we didn't get, but not a bad thing because it
taught us too.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, And I think that's the same. Like I was
raised from a single mom by You know, my mom
worked three jobs and we had you know, if we
were lucky to have frozen tiketos for a year straight,
you know, like that was kind of our meal. But
I think there's something in that upbringing that instilled like
this scrapper, like I'm going to fight for everything and
I'm gonna you know, I have to achieve this. But
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I hear you when you say that, you you know,
your your worth was dependent on on that, and so
I get that. What for you are some of the
tips in your book that you talk about to kind
of break that cycle.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
One of them is to stop comparing yourself to other people,
because there's always going to be somebody else that's doing
better than you. You know, you start a new job,
someone else is making more. You start a new company,
somebody else is further along. I call it the cycle
of compare and despair. You look at someone else's social
media feed. They have more followers, seems like they're out
there living their best life, and you're at home with
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greasy hair, eating potato chips and doom scrolling. You know,
it's just it's a zero sum game to compare yourself
to someone else, because not all of us started on
the same starting line. Not all of us have the
same journey. Some of us take detours off of the
path that we had set for ourselves, and sometimes those
detours end up actually being our path. So yeah, I
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just think we all need to stop comparing ourselves.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Do you think you so you were raised in the environment,
you were raised on you on to be a a caesiologist,
which is afect, which is a really good profession. Did
you do that because you wanted to do it, because
you knew it would get the respect of your family, because
it was a doctrine tape profession?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Both, I think yeah. I mean, growing up as a child,
I think my parents just like planted the seed that
I would grow up to be a doctor. I just
happened to be academically gifted, especially when it came to
math and science. I ended up going to college when
I was fifteen years old, which is very atypical. I
never really knew that there was another choice, or that
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my parents would have allowed anything else. You know, if
I had told them I wanted to be a fashion
stylist or a chef like, I would have been beat.
So I'm glad that I'm a doctor. I love my job.
I love, you know, putting people to sleep for surgery
and caring for them throughout the perioperative period. But I
wanted to do other things outside of medicine. And that's
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a lot of what I talk about in the book
is like my joy journey of exploring my creativity and
humor and connection to others outside of medicine and motherhood.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
So how did you get into stand Out? Then?
Speaker 4 (13:46):
The stand up crazy's wild? The stand up story is
my friend is an actual comedian and she had a
set at the Dallas Comedy Club and she asked me
to MC, which is just like introduce the comedians that
are coming up and get the crowd hyped, you know.
Then she calls me two weeks before the comedy show,
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which was for charity, and she was like, hey, Tiff,
one of my people dropped out, like they can't come
that night. I need you to do like a ten
to fifteen minute set instead of like I'm seeing the show.
And I was like no, like I've never done stand
up comedy before, Like what are you talking about? And
she's like, no, I've seen your tiktoks, like they're funny,
(14:27):
like You'll be fine, gotta go bye. I was like,
holy shit, like I guess I'm gonna do this. But
this was in the phase of life, my joy journey,
I call it, where I was going to try new experiences.
I was very much like I'll do anything once, like
I want to try new things. And I was like,
you know what, I'm gonna pull up my big girl
panties and I'm gonna try to be funny on stage.
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So I did what I always do when presented with
a challenge, which is like I googled. I was like
how to do stand up comedy, bought a book, I
watched some YouTube videos about like the Arc of Humor
and like how to be funny because there is actually
a science to it. And I studied and I did
a ten to fifteen minute set. No one bowed me
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off stage.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
That's amazing.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Do people laugh? And I was like, holy shit, I
did that. Like is Netflix going to book me for
a one hour special anytime soon?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
No?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
But like also I rose to the occasion and I
grew from that experience and like it was it was fun.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I love that. Where are you now with your do
do you write about your family? Dynamic in the book.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Yes, that's like the whole part one is you know,
growing up.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Do you feel like have they said they're proud of you?
Do do you feel like they've kind of accepted, you know,
the life and and when you did the Real Housewives?
Like how you know? Do you how's that? Because it's
I feel like we're all Half of my therapy now
is talking about my family.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Right, and you know, well Real Housewives did not go
well at all. Like my dad basically told me that
I was an embarrassment to the family, which wasn't the
first time, so it's okay. And like I did not
consult them before signing on to do the show because
they knew what they were going to say, Like they
were going to talk me out of it for sure, right,
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and so I was like, I'm just going to do it.
And then when the show aired, I didn't even tell
them because I'm not like super close to my parents,
even though they live like thirty minutes away. I didn't
tell them that I was going to be on the show,
but I guess, you know, they hang out with friends
and stuff, and one of my mom's church friends daughters
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like religiously watches Bravo and was like, Mom, isn't this
your friend from church? And that's her daughter, Tiffany, And
then it all went down from there. She said I
represented her poorly on the show, made her seem like
she was a bad mom when I was young, and
I was like, that's not exactly what I said. I
(17:12):
actually said way more than that. But as you know,
in reality TV, they can take one sentence that you
say out of context and now it sounds like I
was calling you a bad mom. But actually what I
said after that line was, you know, she wasn't there
a lot for me. She was doing the best that
she could. I felt really lonely. I didn't have any siblings,
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but you know, at the end of the day, I
think that she did the best that she could. And
of course they cut that end part off.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Sure, yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
So yeah, they were No, they were not proud of me.
For my real Housewives, I don't even think they know
about the comedy show. You know, it's weird. I'm like
not close to my parents like I am, and I'm not.
I don't call them. I never tell them that I'm
doing something. But if they call me and they need something,
like I drop everything to be there. But on a
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day to day basis, I'm so jealous of my friends
that are like best friends with their mom and they
talk multiple times a day and they're texting, and I
just I simply don't have that kind of relationship with
my parents.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, and you have kids too, So I'm just you know,
because I always get super jealous of all the people
parents that are close, like our parents are. You know,
his parents are in Scotland, minor in Michigan. So it's
you know that already places the separation, you know a bit,
and of not being integrated into into the life. But
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you know, but I feel like we are. We I
never really gotten that, Like I'm proud of you. I
know you maybe haven't either by my moment that not
so much my dad Yeah and so, and there's a
piece of us that I've told him. I'm like, Bib,
don't be doing this to try to get it. I'm
proud of you from your dad or because it's like
I've stopped doing to get that cause i know I'm
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not going to get that from them. I'll get it
from Like my therapist text me today when I booked
the movie She's like, I'm proud of you, and I'm like,
that's the only I'm proud of you besides you that
I've gotten you know, I haven't gotten it from They're like,
oh cool. You know, it's not I'm proud of you.
It's an oh cool, have fun, you know, and we
want that. But now it's like we're going to the
age now. I don't know how old you are, but
like forties. You know, it's like I don't really need it.
(19:21):
It'd be nice, but I don't need it anymore.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, I basically come to accept the fact that it's
not going to happen, you know what I mean. I'm
never gonna my dad is never going to sit down
and like look me in the eyes and be like,
you know what, maybe I wasn't the best father to you,
Like maybe I neglected you and you know, beat you
and that wasn't really necessary. Like even now. At Christmas,
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I saw my parents and I was like just talking
about like how far I've come and all this stuff,
and we were making some sort of joke and I
was like, well, I guess you beat me out of
it or something, and my dad was like, see, you
turned out so great. Because of everything I did. And
I was like, oh, I see how this is going
to go. Like he thinks that I have achieved so
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much because of the way he treated me. And I've
paid like forty thousand dollars of therapy bills because you
know what I mean. So we're just not going to
see Ida eye. We are never going to see Ida eye.
And frankly, I've just had to come to terms with that.
I'm never going to get that apology that I want
from him. And that's okay.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
That's interesting because I think my dad has become more
empathetic as he got older. It's almost like it's almost
like he's grown out of that generation that came a
six fifty sixties seventies generation of.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
This almost melicint, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, But I think he softened a little bit where
it sounds like your parents of Okay, that's the way
they do things, and despite the generation and the change
in decades, they're not gonna they're not going to change
the views and ways on things. Whereas I think my
dad has softened and changed a little bit.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well, in your book, you've you've talked about, you know,
your steps to find your joy again, and so with
all that, like where where? What are some of the
things the steps that you've taken to find that joy.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I think a lot of it was stop looking for
external validation, stop looking for awards, degrees, more trophies, more titles,
more gold stars, because it's exhausting. And you know, I
kept telling myself, like, when I achieved this, then I'll
be happy. When I achieved this, I'll be happy. And
every time I got one of those things, I was
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happy briefly, and then it would be like, Okay, what's next,
you know, and it just happened over and over and
over again, like going to college at fifteen, graduating at nineteen,
graduating from medical school at twenty three, getting into the
top anesthesia program, getting married, having twins, like being promoted early,
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winning Faculty of the Year teaching award, having over fifty
publications on my CV like it was never enough. And finally,
one day, with the help with my therapist, I finally
came to realize, like, oh, I've been climbing up the
wrong ladder, Like I've been climbing up this ladder and
it's like propped up against the wrong wall. Like what
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I need to be doing is like focusing internally on
my connections and laughter and humor. Like ten years ago,
I had no laughter, no humor in my life at all.
I was like straight laced, super serious. People at the hospital,
when I walked in to introduce myself to patients, they
wouldn't take me seriously because I look super young, I'm short,
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I'm Asian, I'm female. They'd be like, are you the nurse,
And I'd be like, no, I just introduced you to myself,
to you as doctor Moon, like you know. And I
just feel like people treated me differently, and so I
tried to act very prim and proper and serious all
the time so that people would take me more seriously,
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and they still wouldn't, and I just I just stopped
doing all the things that I thought I needed to
do in order for other people to love me. And
then I was just like, they either love me or
they don't. Like I'm not going to fight for it anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Oh good, Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I love that too. Would you would you come back
if they if they had the Housewives come back in Dallas?
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yes, but only if there were like almost all new people,
Like half the cast of my season was awful, like
awful human beings. Only you moved to Dallas.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I didn't. I didn't see Dallas that one, So it
was it why were they bad? It was it just
you guys just didn't mesh together. Or was everyone trying
to be the queen bee or what kind of happened?
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I don't think everyone was trying to be the queen Bee.
I certainly wasn't because I was the new kid on
the block, so I was like deferring to other people.
I was not trying to come in like hot and
heavy and be the queen bee in town.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
That was not my m O.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
One of my cast made lacked a little cultural sensitivity,
and we had an episode with me making her eat
something that she didn't want to eat, which was fine,
that's like housewives drama. But then after reunion, her family
members took to Twitter now x to basically accuse me
(24:20):
of being drunk and then going to work the next
day at my hospital that I work at.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Oh that's quite an allegation, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
When in fact, actually I had a two drink maximum
and a ten PM curfew, which the producers will back
me up on. So her family members, her husband and
his brother to be specific, tagged my employer on Twitter
and insinuated that I was unfit to be anesthetizing patience.
(24:52):
You can see how this is a problem. Yes, yes,
my career that I've worked my entire life for. Okay,
so then we had to get lawyers involved, and that
was not cute. Bravo doesn't like it when lawyers get involved.
They prefer the Housewives drama to stay confined. And yeah,
that was basically the nail in the coffin as far
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as Dallas went.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Got it Okay, so you'd go back newcast? Yeah, do
we understand that? It makes sense? Yeah? What do you
want people to take away from your book?
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Mostly? I want people to know that the joy isn't
in the destination, It's actually in the journey. And I
rushed through so much of life thinking that if I
got to the finish line faster, the pot of gold
at the end would be bigger or something, and actually
there is no pot of gold, and I missed out
(25:47):
on so many moments of connection and laughter and gratitude
because I was like, you know, like blinders on I mean,
there's a chapter in the book called Blinders, and I'm
referring to horse racing but I compare myself to being
like a horse with blinders on, never looking at the periphery,
only focused on the finish line. And that is absolutely
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no way to live life.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, absolutely, because like you said, once you get there,
you're still going to want something more and yeah, greater
and bigger than that.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
So yes, like it's never enough, that hedonistic treadmill. It's
never enough. You know, you make a million dollars a
year and then you want to make two million. You know,
it's just it's never enough until you decide in your
heart that it's enough. You know. That's when I pulled
back from work. I lost money from my salary because
I went part time at work, and I was like,
(26:40):
I'm going to focus on myself. I want to actually
be there for my kids. When you're in the operating
room full time. It's Monday through Friday from about six
forty five am to five pm. That doesn't leave much
room for you know, going to your kids, Mommy and me,
breakfast at their preschool, picking them up from carpool, Like
you know what I mean, Like I I missed my
(27:00):
kids first steps, their first words, Like I just missed
it all because I was in an operating room when
it happened, and I was like, God, what the hell
am I doing? And then I would come home and
my kids were like three or four, and they'd want
to go outside and play, you know, throw a ball,
run around, and I'd be like, can mommy just like
sit down for a second, Like mommy just needs to
rest because I had been in an operating room taking
(27:22):
care of patients since six thirty am. And I was like, God,
I am bringing home the shell of the person that
I want to be for my children, and this is
not acceptable.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Amen to that. Well, everyone get joy prescriptions. How I
learned to stop chasing perfection and embrace connection. Tiffany, thank
you so much for coming on.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
So sweet. Let me know, I want to Nashville.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yes, I roll Housewives of Nashville. Or I think you
should move to Dallas and they should reboot Dallas with
you as a leading cast member.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Okay, let's do it now. I couldn't. I couldn't do.
I couldn't handle the Bravo you could enough?
Speaker 4 (28:02):
No, you, yeah, you've had some sharp sharpness in there.
I'm like, Oh, she could handle herself.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, I don't know. I think I would crumble he
sees me. He sees I try to pretend like I
got the thick skin and comments don't bother me, but
he sees my crumble.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But anyways, thanks Tiffany, appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
It was good talking to you. Guys.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Thank
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio Podcast.
I have a question for you, bib where do you
think you are lacking in joy?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I think I'm lacking in joy.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Yeah, that's a very good question.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Thank you. Joy.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Joy's a funny what. He's not what that I use
often enough or even think about. Maybe that's a problem.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I think that's a problem. But I hear you because
I didn't. I didn't chase Joy until after my divorce.
So I had this hole. And this is something like
we might not know about me, but because I know
you didn't read my book, but there is a whole
time period for me that my therapist was like, I
(00:49):
need you to chase Joy. She's like, you, there's so
much joy around, but you just aren't seeing it. And
she's like, I want you to go chase it. I
want you to go find it. And so I mean,
I went to Ireland and you know, did certain things,
and my whole mission was chasing Joy. And I've always
kind of remembered that, but I didn't definitely didn't see
that before. And so now I guess for you, you not
(01:10):
really knowing or recognizing than Joy.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
No, I recognized Joy like last night and bed was
was was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
The way that you were behaving. That's that's joy for me.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
We gotta give them a little bit more contact than
that last night when we were in bed, the way
you were behaving.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
You were funny because you were so hungry.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I was so hungry, guy, I.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Was pretending to eat and bite darving, bite me.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I came home to I have a thing where I
love to have a vanilla cinnamon yogurt at night. It
is my It's almost like my ice cream. It's a dessert,
but it's you know, semi good for you. It's a
Ciggy's vanilla cinnamon if you see it at Kroger, Public's,
Whole Foods, whatever, grab one. So good. And we were
out of that. We had no snacks, so I grabbed
a bag of sta uh Dill pickle chips. They were
(02:02):
as old as ever, and they were so but I was,
I mean so like there was just niney eight. I
was starving, and so I was being silly in bed,
and I was like biting you.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And you're trying to cover my face and Dylan pickle tongue.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, I was just being silly.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
So yeah, so that's listen, those things that bring.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Me joy, like like me biting you.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Like playing with the kids and date nights and like
when Troy's here and being on the field with them,
And there's there's plenty of things that bring me joy.
What I tend to be really guilty of is I
tell myself that I don't deserve certain things because I'm
trying to achieve certain things at the moment, because I'm
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in building mode and building phase. I'm like, you don't
deserve to go and you don't have the time to
go and spend time with your mates. You don't have
the time to go and play golf. You don't have
the time too to go and relax, like go on
the bike for ten minutes. Like even then, I'm like,
(03:08):
I can't be doing this. I'm so busy with it
so much so I am very guilty of.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Robbing yourself of joy.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, yeah, because it's again, it's like the plants outside
that it's not a priority for me to achieve what
I need to achieve the auphor it gets put on
the back on the.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Well, that's not joy. But I mean, you know that
robbing yourself of joy is not a good thing.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I'm not completely robbed of joy.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I know, but you should go out and like you
deserve to go to a golf course and play golf
because that brings you joy. Like you should be doing
things that bring yourself joy. We are always busy now
I'm not. It's not like an everyday thing, right, but
if there is an every day thing that brings you joy,
then you know, like you like to medicate, meditate, medicaid medica.
(04:00):
You like to meditate that brings you joy, right, that
gives you sorry, that brings you peace.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
But working out brings me joy. Yeah, but not working
out in the garage myself going to Devon knowing that
he's going to push me as hard as he can
push me for an hour, but then professional boundaries that
brings me joy.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I feel like if people don't chase that joy or
that don't do things, you're gonna just you're going to
be so bogged down and so that stress is just
gonna cover you and then you I think when you're covered,
it's like literally if you picture like like covered, not
being able to see, you're gonna miss the beautiful things
(04:44):
that are actually happening around you that are full of joy.
Like hanging out with the kids or jumping the trampoline.
It's like, that's why I took the kids out of school.
I was so stressed. I have an entire script I
needed to learn, and it it's like, no, I'm getting
the kids out of school early. I want to jump
on the trampoline with them. I want to play with
them on it because they bring me so much joy.
(05:06):
And it's like I want to be around that, and like,
you know, we will work together and we have fun,
but I feel like we're so grinding so many things
out and covering ourselves with so much stress and things
that we have to do and obviously and work, but
we're almost robbing ourselves of that joy because like you say,
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you don't feel like we deserve it. I say, we
don't have that much time. But I feel like we
really need to prioritize.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I don't feel like we deserve it. It's just.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Or that you deserve it in men.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, I think it's I won't fully enjoy it anyway
because I know how much I've got to the so
what's the point in doing it? Just get the stuff
done that I need to do to build and get
to a point but it's stupid because you hear every
hyper successful person say, well, even when you get there,
you're not going to be happy. So be more present
than the moment that surrounds you at the moment. And
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there's a lot of trip in that.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Pick a day on the calendar, everyone, pick a day
on the calendar and just put find some joy or like,
do something that brings you joy.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
There's lots of things that bring me joy.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
No, I know, but we need to prioritize that a
little bit more like we prioritize other things on our schedule.
And speaking of joy, we've got Tiffany Moon on. She's
got a new book out called Joy Prescriptions How I
learned to stop chasing perfection and embrace connection. Let's get
her on all right, Tiffany. I am Jana. This is
(06:45):
my husband Alan. Nice to meet you so much for
coming on. So are you currently in Dallas? Yes? Do
you love it?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
No?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
No?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I mean it's fine, it's fine, it's love. I meant
to say yes.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Where are you from? Originally?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I was born in China, lived in New York most
of my life, and did medical school in Texas and
then did residency in San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Okay, and then so why did you end up in Dallas?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
My husband.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
It's awesome, I know, Sorry I dragged him from from Yeah.
Oh okay, well Scotland. Well yeah, technically, yeah, you're in London.
I have a question because, uh do you? Because obviously
your book is called Joy Prescriptions How I learned to
stop chasing perfection and brace connection. And I've talked to
(07:40):
a few other people from the Asian culture and they've
always said that because of their culture, it inmbedded in them,
this perfection, perfectionism that came from their mom and dad.
And I'm curious, is that kind of the same for you?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yes, much of it is culturally driven, and I think
societally driven as well. You know that as a woman
you have to be you know, beautiful, thin, smart, sassy,
you know, like do all the things.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Sure, why is that in the in the Asian culture?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
In the Asian culture, you know, you respect your elders,
you never talk back. It's not a culture that embraces
individuality or creativity. It's a culture that embraces conformity, falling
in line, staying silent, doing what you're told, not peep
(08:34):
piping up, you know, it's sort of that old school mentality,
and I think it turns out a lot of damaged
youth who end up feeling like they're never good enough.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Mm. Yeah, I mean that is that's a whole society too. Yeah,
that's so for you. What was the thing that you
were chasing that kind of kept you in that, you know,
the cycle.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I just thought that if I achieved more than I
would finally be worthy of being loved. I was raised
in a household where if I brought home a ninety
six on a test, the question was what did you
get wrong? Not great job you got in ninety six.
(09:25):
The glass was always half empty. If it wasn't full,
it was empty. We grew up poor. We moved all
the time. My mom clicked coupons. We ate half rotten
produce because that's what was on sale. I had all
my clothes from goodwill or garage swords. I don't think
I owned like a new item from a wal Mart
or a Target until I was like it well into
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my teens. And so I think when you live in
a constant mindset of scarcity, you're always like holding onto things,
not sharing, because are always afraid that like the other
shoe is gonna draw, you know, So you're not into
like sharing and being kind and whatever. It's always like
(10:08):
how much can I save for myself because winter is coming? Sure,
And it's just not a very collaborative mindset. And that's
how I was raised.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Like a survival mindset, isn't it. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, the same.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
That's exactly how I grew up as well. Did you
grow Yeah, well, we don't have a lot of money.
When I grew up, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I remember wanting a tennis racket. Of the summer tennis
season started and I wanted a tennis racket and mom
and dad couldn't afford it.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I don't steal.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
It, Oh Jesus, I mean yeah, I mean yeah, I
mean we didn't either. But I had no idea that you.
I thought your parents, you guys were not.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
At the very beginning, though we had to.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
My mom and dad walked hard, but we never we
never had There's a lot of things that we could
have onto this two brothers growing up, which we wish
we didn't get, but not a bad thing because it
taught us too.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, And I think that's the same. Like I was
raised from a single mom by You know, my mom
worked three jobs and we had you know, if we
were lucky to have frozen tiketos for a year straight,
you know, like that was kind of our meal. But
I think there's something in that upbringing that instilled like
this scrapper, like I'm going to fight for everything and
I'm gonna you know, I have to achieve this. But
(11:27):
I hear you when you say that, you you know,
your your worth was dependent on on that, and so
I get that. What for you are some of the
tips in your book that you talk about to kind
of break that cycle.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
One of them is to stop comparing yourself to other people,
because there's always going to be somebody else that's doing
better than you. You know, you start a new job,
someone else is making more. You start a new company,
somebody else is further along. I call it the cycle
of compare and despair. You look at someone else's social
media feed. They have more followers, seems like they're out
there living their best life, and you're at home with
(12:01):
greasy hair, eating potato chips and doom scrolling. You know,
it's just it's a zero sum game to compare yourself
to someone else, because not all of us started on
the same starting line. Not all of us have the
same journey. Some of us take detours off of the
path that we had set for ourselves, and sometimes those
detours end up actually being our path. So yeah, I
(12:24):
just think we all need to stop comparing ourselves.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Do you think you so you were raised in the environment,
you were raised on you on to be a a caesiologist,
which is afect, which is a really good profession. Did
you do that because you wanted to do it, because
you knew it would get the respect of your family, because
it was a doctrine tape profession?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Both, I think yeah. I mean, growing up as a child,
I think my parents just like planted the seed that
I would grow up to be a doctor. I just
happened to be academically gifted, especially when it came to
math and science. I ended up going to college when
I was fifteen years old, which is very atypical. I
never really knew that there was another choice, or that
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my parents would have allowed anything else. You know, if
I had told them I wanted to be a fashion
stylist or a chef like, I would have been beat.
So I'm glad that I'm a doctor. I love my job.
I love, you know, putting people to sleep for surgery
and caring for them throughout the perioperative period. But I
wanted to do other things outside of medicine. And that's
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a lot of what I talk about in the book
is like my joy journey of exploring my creativity and
humor and connection to others outside of medicine and motherhood.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
So how did you get into stand Out? Then?
Speaker 4 (13:46):
The stand up crazy's wild? The stand up story is
my friend is an actual comedian and she had a
set at the Dallas Comedy Club and she asked me
to MC, which is just like introduce the comedians that
are coming up and get the crowd hyped, you know.
Then she calls me two weeks before the comedy show,
(14:07):
which was for charity, and she was like, hey, Tiff,
one of my people dropped out, like they can't come
that night. I need you to do like a ten
to fifteen minute set instead of like I'm seeing the show.
And I was like no, like I've never done stand
up comedy before, Like what are you talking about? And
she's like, no, I've seen your tiktoks, like they're funny,
(14:27):
like You'll be fine, gotta go bye. I was like,
holy shit, like I guess I'm gonna do this. But
this was in the phase of life, my joy journey,
I call it, where I was going to try new experiences.
I was very much like I'll do anything once, like
I want to try new things. And I was like,
you know what, I'm gonna pull up my big girl
panties and I'm gonna try to be funny on stage.
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So I did what I always do when presented with
a challenge, which is like I googled. I was like
how to do stand up comedy, bought a book, I
watched some YouTube videos about like the Arc of Humor
and like how to be funny because there is actually
a science to it. And I studied and I did
a ten to fifteen minute set. No one bowed me
(15:11):
off stage.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
That's amazing.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Do people laugh? And I was like, holy shit, I
did that. Like is Netflix going to book me for
a one hour special anytime soon?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
No?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
But like also I rose to the occasion and I
grew from that experience and like it was it was fun.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I love that. Where are you now with your do
do you write about your family? Dynamic in the book.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Yes, that's like the whole part one is you know,
growing up.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Do you feel like have they said they're proud of you?
Do do you feel like they've kind of accepted, you know,
the life and and when you did the Real Housewives?
Like how you know? Do you how's that? Because it's
I feel like we're all Half of my therapy now
is talking about my family.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Right, and you know, well Real Housewives did not go
well at all. Like my dad basically told me that
I was an embarrassment to the family, which wasn't the
first time, so it's okay. And like I did not
consult them before signing on to do the show because
they knew what they were going to say, Like they
were going to talk me out of it for sure, right,
(16:31):
and so I was like, I'm just going to do it.
And then when the show aired, I didn't even tell
them because I'm not like super close to my parents,
even though they live like thirty minutes away. I didn't
tell them that I was going to be on the show,
but I guess, you know, they hang out with friends
and stuff, and one of my mom's church friends daughters
(16:52):
like religiously watches Bravo and was like, Mom, isn't this
your friend from church? And that's her daughter, Tiffany, And
then it all went down from there. She said I
represented her poorly on the show, made her seem like
she was a bad mom when I was young, and
I was like, that's not exactly what I said. I
(17:12):
actually said way more than that. But as you know,
in reality TV, they can take one sentence that you
say out of context and now it sounds like I
was calling you a bad mom. But actually what I
said after that line was, you know, she wasn't there
a lot for me. She was doing the best that
she could. I felt really lonely. I didn't have any siblings,
(17:33):
but you know, at the end of the day, I
think that she did the best that she could. And
of course they cut that end part off.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Sure, yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
So yeah, they were No, they were not proud of me.
For my real Housewives, I don't even think they know
about the comedy show. You know, it's weird. I'm like
not close to my parents like I am, and I'm not.
I don't call them. I never tell them that I'm
doing something. But if they call me and they need something,
like I drop everything to be there. But on a
(18:05):
day to day basis, I'm so jealous of my friends
that are like best friends with their mom and they
talk multiple times a day and they're texting, and I
just I simply don't have that kind of relationship with
my parents.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah, and you have kids too, So I'm just you know,
because I always get super jealous of all the people
parents that are close, like our parents are. You know,
his parents are in Scotland, minor in Michigan. So it's
you know that already places the separation, you know a bit,
and of not being integrated into into the life. But
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you know, but I feel like we are. We I
never really gotten that, Like I'm proud of you. I
know you maybe haven't either by my moment that not
so much my dad Yeah and so, and there's a
piece of us that I've told him. I'm like, Bib,
don't be doing this to try to get it. I'm
proud of you from your dad or because it's like
I've stopped doing to get that cause i know I'm
(19:00):
not going to get that from them. I'll get it
from Like my therapist text me today when I booked
the movie She's like, I'm proud of you, and I'm like,
that's the only I'm proud of you besides you that
I've gotten you know, I haven't gotten it from They're like,
oh cool. You know, it's not I'm proud of you.
It's an oh cool, have fun, you know, and we
want that. But now it's like we're going to the
age now. I don't know how old you are, but
like forties. You know, it's like I don't really need it.
(19:21):
It'd be nice, but I don't need it anymore.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, I basically come to accept the fact that it's
not going to happen, you know what I mean. I'm
never gonna my dad is never going to sit down
and like look me in the eyes and be like,
you know what, maybe I wasn't the best father to you,
Like maybe I neglected you and you know, beat you
and that wasn't really necessary. Like even now. At Christmas,
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I saw my parents and I was like just talking
about like how far I've come and all this stuff,
and we were making some sort of joke and I
was like, well, I guess you beat me out of
it or something, and my dad was like, see, you
turned out so great. Because of everything I did. And
I was like, oh, I see how this is going
to go. Like he thinks that I have achieved so
(20:07):
much because of the way he treated me. And I've
paid like forty thousand dollars of therapy bills because you
know what I mean. So we're just not going to
see Ida eye. We are never going to see Ida eye.
And frankly, I've just had to come to terms with that.
I'm never going to get that apology that I want
from him. And that's okay.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
That's interesting because I think my dad has become more
empathetic as he got older. It's almost like it's almost
like he's grown out of that generation that came a
six fifty sixties seventies generation of.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
This almost melicint, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, But I think he softened a little bit where
it sounds like your parents of Okay, that's the way
they do things, and despite the generation and the change
in decades, they're not gonna they're not going to change
the views and ways on things. Whereas I think my
dad has softened and changed a little bit.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well, in your book, you've you've talked about, you know,
your steps to find your joy again, and so with
all that, like where where? What are some of the
things the steps that you've taken to find that joy.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I think a lot of it was stop looking for
external validation, stop looking for awards, degrees, more trophies, more titles,
more gold stars, because it's exhausting. And you know, I
kept telling myself, like, when I achieved this, then I'll
be happy. When I achieved this, I'll be happy. And
every time I got one of those things, I was
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happy briefly, and then it would be like, Okay, what's next,
you know, and it just happened over and over and
over again, like going to college at fifteen, graduating at nineteen,
graduating from medical school at twenty three, getting into the
top anesthesia program, getting married, having twins, like being promoted early,
(21:50):
winning Faculty of the Year teaching award, having over fifty
publications on my CV like it was never enough. And finally,
one day, with the help with my therapist, I finally
came to realize, like, oh, I've been climbing up the
wrong ladder, Like I've been climbing up this ladder and
it's like propped up against the wrong wall. Like what
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I need to be doing is like focusing internally on
my connections and laughter and humor. Like ten years ago,
I had no laughter, no humor in my life at all.
I was like straight laced, super serious. People at the hospital,
when I walked in to introduce myself to patients, they
wouldn't take me seriously because I look super young, I'm short,
(22:34):
I'm Asian, I'm female. They'd be like, are you the nurse,
And I'd be like, no, I just introduced you to myself,
to you as doctor Moon, like you know. And I
just feel like people treated me differently, and so I
tried to act very prim and proper and serious all
the time so that people would take me more seriously,
(22:55):
and they still wouldn't, and I just I just stopped
doing all the things that I thought I needed to
do in order for other people to love me. And
then I was just like, they either love me or
they don't. Like I'm not going to fight for it anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Oh good, Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I love that too. Would you would you come back
if they if they had the Housewives come back in Dallas?
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yes, but only if there were like almost all new people,
Like half the cast of my season was awful, like
awful human beings. Only you moved to Dallas.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I didn't. I didn't see Dallas that one, So it
was it why were they bad? It was it just
you guys just didn't mesh together. Or was everyone trying
to be the queen bee or what kind of happened?
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I don't think everyone was trying to be the queen Bee.
I certainly wasn't because I was the new kid on
the block, so I was like deferring to other people.
I was not trying to come in like hot and
heavy and be the queen bee in town.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
That was not my m O.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
One of my cast made lacked a little cultural sensitivity,
and we had an episode with me making her eat
something that she didn't want to eat, which was fine,
that's like housewives drama. But then after reunion, her family
members took to Twitter now x to basically accuse me
(24:20):
of being drunk and then going to work the next
day at my hospital that I work at.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Oh that's quite an allegation, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
When in fact, actually I had a two drink maximum
and a ten PM curfew, which the producers will back
me up on. So her family members, her husband and
his brother to be specific, tagged my employer on Twitter
and insinuated that I was unfit to be anesthetizing patience.
(24:52):
You can see how this is a problem. Yes, yes,
my career that I've worked my entire life for. Okay,
so then we had to get lawyers involved, and that
was not cute. Bravo doesn't like it when lawyers get involved.
They prefer the Housewives drama to stay confined. And yeah,
that was basically the nail in the coffin as far
(25:15):
as Dallas went.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Got it Okay, so you'd go back newcast? Yeah, do
we understand that? It makes sense? Yeah? What do you
want people to take away from your book?
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Mostly? I want people to know that the joy isn't
in the destination, It's actually in the journey. And I
rushed through so much of life thinking that if I
got to the finish line faster, the pot of gold
at the end would be bigger or something, and actually
there is no pot of gold, and I missed out
(25:47):
on so many moments of connection and laughter and gratitude
because I was like, you know, like blinders on I mean,
there's a chapter in the book called Blinders, and I'm
referring to horse racing but I compare myself to being
like a horse with blinders on, never looking at the periphery,
only focused on the finish line. And that is absolutely
(26:10):
no way to live life.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, absolutely, because like you said, once you get there,
you're still going to want something more and yeah, greater
and bigger than that.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
So yes, like it's never enough, that hedonistic treadmill. It's
never enough. You know, you make a million dollars a
year and then you want to make two million. You know,
it's just it's never enough until you decide in your
heart that it's enough. You know. That's when I pulled
back from work. I lost money from my salary because
I went part time at work, and I was like,
(26:40):
I'm going to focus on myself. I want to actually
be there for my kids. When you're in the operating
room full time. It's Monday through Friday from about six
forty five am to five pm. That doesn't leave much
room for you know, going to your kids, Mommy and me,
breakfast at their preschool, picking them up from carpool, Like
you know what I mean, Like I I missed my
(27:00):
kids first steps, their first words, Like I just missed
it all because I was in an operating room when
it happened, and I was like, God, what the hell
am I doing? And then I would come home and
my kids were like three or four, and they'd want
to go outside and play, you know, throw a ball,
run around, and I'd be like, can mommy just like
sit down for a second, Like mommy just needs to
rest because I had been in an operating room taking
(27:22):
care of patients since six thirty am. And I was like, God,
I am bringing home the shell of the person that
I want to be for my children, and this is
not acceptable.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Amen to that. Well, everyone get joy prescriptions. How I
learned to stop chasing perfection and embrace connection. Tiffany, thank
you so much for coming on.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
So sweet. Let me know, I want to Nashville.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yes, I roll Housewives of Nashville. Or I think you
should move to Dallas and they should reboot Dallas with
you as a leading cast member.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Okay, let's do it now. I couldn't. I couldn't do.
I couldn't handle the Bravo you could enough?
Speaker 4 (28:02):
No, you, yeah, you've had some sharp sharpness in there.
I'm like, Oh, she could handle herself.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, I don't know. I think I would crumble he
sees me. He sees I try to pretend like I
got the thick skin and comments don't bother me, but
he sees my crumble.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But anyways, thanks Tiffany, appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
It was good talking to you. Guys.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Thank
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