August 27, 2025 • 23 mins
Would you watch a reality series centered around Jana and Allan?? We find out how they really feel about cameras following their every move.
Lending money to family can be a tricky subject. Jana and Allan open up about what happened when Jana opened her wallet for a family member, and what would happen if Allan did something similar.
Plus, what “princess behaviors” does Jana practice??
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Jane Kramer, an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Okay, so a couple of headlines that I will we
want to chat about. Joe Judice reveals ridiculous salary ex
wife Teresa made during Real Housewives of New Jersey Season one?
So did you guys ever have a conversation with us
about being on tv? So Gia, she's got our podcast
that she was talking about called Casual Chaos, and he goes,
(00:30):
I don't really remember. I don't think so he said,
it was all kind of a blur. I think the
first year we had that big party in the great room.
I think that show cost me one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars the first year. So Joe was referring to
a season four cast trip where he called his wife
(00:52):
a bitch wife and they see you next Tuesday while
while taking a phone call. We were stuck there for
like a week. I think in this house just drinking
wine every day, he said during that podcast. Sometimes it
just gets so chaotic with everybody around, because all they
want you to do is just start drama and do
this and do that. They want you to just hang
out and have a normal time.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
They don't want you to just hang out and have
a normal time.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, and so we've actually had conversations about this, about
being on a reality show. You were asked to be
on a weren't you asked to be on like a
Real Housewives show back in the day?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
No, I think they approached back in the day ever
doing it. Yeah, when I was living, I played an lounge.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Count Yeah, and you guys never did. No, No, But
there is there is a production company that has reached out.
I've done a couple of calls with them. They they
have pitched it as a docu series versus a reality series,
and we've discussed it a bit, and you know, we've
(02:02):
kind of talked about pros and cons of it, and
I personally am leaning more on the con side of
doing a docu series. I think again, when you look
at certain shows, like what's the difference between reality or
a docu? And I think a docu like The Quarterback
or shows like that where you're more it seems a
(02:23):
little less salacious and more the heart of who these
people are, as opposed to a reality show where it's
slipping tables and pat fighting, which I could never do
that type of reality show. I think that's not my personality.
(02:44):
Just I couldn't do it. I couldn't handle a Bravo
fans or the comments on that grand scale of things.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well, whoever, who can you recollect that walks away from
a reality TV show looking good?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I mean, I think Bethany Frankel is a great example
of walking away from a reality show. And I mean,
she's got successful brands, she's she's one of those people
where she says whatever she wants and that's her and
obviously people and she doesn't care about people's comments. That's
what's so great. Like, and I've I've reached out to
(03:23):
Bethany in the past because I'm like, how do you
do this? And She's like, don't be boring, Like, go
have an opinion, say what you want to say.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Well, she may be an exception from the river.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
And I think people like that. I'm like, man, that's great.
And I think there's a lot of people that can
come off of shows and have brands explode. And but
most times, I mean, shoot, if you look at Whitney
the first season of was The Mormon Wives, everyone didn't
(03:55):
like her and she got so much hate. Now I
think season two she came back around, But I think
it's people forget that it is a TV show too
in that and they want it to be they want
that drama. And that's why I could never do reality.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I don't I don't see you though a bit, but
I think the I think the anxiety levels of doing
something like that would would be off.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Oh, it would be awful for me. But the docuseries,
I've entertained the conversations I think. I I mean, I
like the production company. I still fear though, at the
end of the day, it's a TV show and then
an edit is an edit, and I would hate for
it to be sharing your heart and sharing the family
(04:39):
and then have it be edited in a way where
it could hurt because I'm like I I can't afford that,
literally can't afford any anything negative and then have it
ruin other things. That's where I'm like, would I be
taken seriously as an actress if I did a docuseries?
Like all these questions, I'm wondering, but I'm I'm still
keeping the I'm still keeping it open because it's like
(05:02):
it could be an opportunity, it could be more eyes
for you in your career.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
It could be I think there's Okay, I think those
and I'm open to discussing anything. You know that, But
I think those people watch reality TV for drama.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Okay, my thoughts, Well, take that. I'm talking more docu series.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I'm getting to that. So people watch reality t TV
for drama essentially, they don't watch it necessarily for who's
on there right or to really delve into an individual
and how in the workings and life work. A docu
sies like The Quarterback people people watch it because they're
genuinely interested.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Full swing or is that what it's called on Netflix,
the Golf show, like I fell in love with golf.
I want to love these people now.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
It's genuinely interested in what it's about a quarterback you
want to learn about. Okay, I love football, I love
everything about a quarterback, how he has to train and
think play in Levy's life, So they have or people
going with a different outlook because they're not looking for drama.
They're looking for insight and they want to see how
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the life works, not to go and slate them or
But I think reality TV has got a different perception.
And even if you call it reality TV, you're you're
putting a different box. A docuseries is something that documents
how not from a dramatic way, but how your life works.
So would you go on insight into how you how
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you're motivated, how you live your life?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And so would you think it would be good for
our family to do a docuseries? Like would you do it?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
If?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Because obviously they're very interested, They've asked if I want
to do it, and now we're just kind of in
the holding phase. I need to sit on it. We
need to chat about it. But is it something where
you think it would be good to do given it's
a docu as opposed to reality. Okay, so I think
(06:59):
it was a sec I think it's still showing reality.
That's the thing. That's the part that scares me because
it's messy. Reality is messy.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
But how is it shaped and how's the tone of
voice of it being marketed? I think there's a scale here, right,
and if it tips towards beneficial rather than detrimental for
the family, And I think it's something that needs to
be a serious conversation and explode. But you're going to
it's like any docuseries or reality TV you're going to
get I think it would be.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Too defensive of you if I'm being honest.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Because why would you need to be defensive of me?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Because just like I was just talking about something on
wine Down where it's you know, the other dage always
like Alan, you're so harsh. I think your Scottish resting
face and your accent you come across.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Harsher resting face.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, but do.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Like you come across harsher And there's times with us
where it's like, don't, don't say it, and you're like,
that's not it's just my That's how I would have
said it, and that's how you would have said it,
as opposed to.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I see it sometimes a lot of the time.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And you don't mean it from an angry place, but
I think it's you have a different you have a
harder approach, and I would make that no, but that's
not good for us. I don't want people to being.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Not towards you.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
People could maybe perceive that as harsh, because I sometimes do.
And then I wouldn't want us to hear the outside
rumbles of people's comments and opinions because they're allowed.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, but also it's a chance for people to get
to know me and my personality.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So I think again, if it swings towards it's beneficial
for or I was in the family, then it's something
we can talk about.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
And I think it's can be quite the kiss of
deatha for couples. I mean the two reality shows.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That what you're calling it reality?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well, no, I'm saying the two reality shows. Max and
I went out for that. We were doing the series
each one. He was like cheating on. I'm like, man,
that had been some good reality show and that actually
all aired, but I'm like, I'm so glad it didn't.
Like I was saved and like here I am again.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Imagine dealing with that in front of the cameras.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Could not imagine that's something that was like, I mean,
it would have been devastating, but more so for thank him.
But anyways, So, I mean, I don't know DOCU, but
I could never do reality.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Stay tuned, sta duned.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
So. A man refuses to lend five k to spoiled
sister who always got parents' help. A man seeks support
from the Reddit lovely community following a tense family standoff
over lending money to his younger sister. In his post,
the thirty two year old says he's refusing to step
(10:19):
in financially after a lifetime a feeling like the overlooked sibling.
He explains that growing up, it was obvious early on
who the favor was. His sister, now twenty seven, got
the name brand close and knew his phone more freedom,
while he says he was left to fend for himself.
The differences, he recalls, were stark. When she totaled her
car at seventeen, our parents bought her another one right away.
(10:39):
When I asked for help covering my college books, they
told me to get another job. From that point on,
he stopped asking for assistance. He says he started working
at sixteen and didn't stop paying his way through college,
sharing rent with roommates and skipping trips, while his sister
lived rent free at home into her twenties. The security
(11:00):
already was tested last week when his sister called him.
According to the Post, she said she was in debt
needed five thousand dollars, but didn't offer much explanation beyond
credit card bills and that she was feeling overwhelmed. He
made the decision not to give her the money. Not
because I can't, I technically could, but I knew if
I said yes, I would, it would just be more
of the same and said he offered other forms of help.
(11:21):
I offered to help her find a budgeting app to look.
I told her to look into debt consolidation or talk
to a financial advisor. I love this man team, this man.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Always setting it up for prevention in the future rather
than a cure.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
What are your thoughts on lending family money.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I think is it the FoST thing that've asked you
is an important thing, because if it's something that's habitual
and comes up a lot, then maybe it's a different
view on it. And I think the second thing is
is it an emergency or is it a luxury? Give
If you've got a family member who never asked you
(12:04):
for money or asked you for money in an emergency,
and then I think that's different from some potential spoil
brat that's had everything our whole life and is at
the age of twenty seven is still asking for money.
So I don't know. I think it depends on the circumstances.
If my mom or dad, the brother asked me for
(12:25):
money in an emergency, then I would probably I would
probably try and look after them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So I've helped in the past a certain someone in
my family, but I had to cut that person off
because it was not my responsibility to continue to clean
up their mess. Maybe that makes me sound harsh, but
there comes a point where I knew I was never
going to get that money back.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
So, and I've helped rescue so many times that I
was I stopped because they're only coming to me when
they need that, as opposed to you know, calling to
say hey, how are you or you know. And I
think at that time in my life too, I had
someone that was take take, take, take taking, and I
(13:17):
was like, no more taking from anyone like you none,
no more. Yeah, Like I literally cut everything and everybody
off from any taking, even as far as no, I'm
not going to get you four tickets to the Jason
Eldin Show. Like I'm like, I'm so sick of people
asking and always constantly trying to take.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And this was family mambles as well.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
This was a family member, this person that was asking
for that I would give money to, but I never
got back. I never asked, but I don't. And again,
if someone now were to call and say I really
need help. I would maybe do a loan, but I
think it just becomes tricky because I mean, it depends
(14:02):
on how much. But also I've got my own life
that I'm.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, everyone's got the old own life that has the fund. Again,
it goes back to historically as this person always got
the handout. And if that's the case, then I probably
wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
But I think that's why too when it comes to kids.
That's why I'm going to be When a kid is
given things all the time, they don't work for it.
And now look at this girl is in debt and asking.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
For money at twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
At twenty seven, like it's it's clearly shows the brief
like the those habits did not help her, and a
parent just giving them money is not teaching them anything
hard work or discipline. And I'm proud of this brother.
If I ever was on Reddit, which I never am, nice,
(14:59):
I would go on and say because I also think
in a marriage, like is lending family money something you
bring to your partner or do you side on your
own if it's family, Because I think there's a piece
of I mean it's in movies like that Leslie Man,
what was that was it knocked up now. I can't
(15:19):
remember which movie. It was forty year old something. This
is forty yeah, and she's like, stop giving your dad, Like,
stop giving your dad money. It's like enough, you know
what I mean? And I think I would be upset
if you were constantly sending money to a family person.
(15:40):
Maybe that makes me a but I'm like, wouldn't you be?
We were strapped and I'm constantly sending money and I
didn't really tell you. I think that's I think money
can be such a huge issue in marriages and that
you have to be open about it.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I I'm sending money to a family member, secret money,
and we are struggling, and I don't tell you then yet'
that's you, well says.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
But again, if in a bind, bind, of course, I
would be there for someone.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Absolutely, But I think we're both cleaned on that.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yes, And since being cut off, they haven't asked. Really, yeah,
you're intrigued. I will not tell you. No, I would never.
(16:41):
A woman on TikTok calls these strange dating behaviors princess treatment.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
But experts this is a funny one.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Aren't so sure? So the princess treatment TikTok dating trend
has been making the rounds for the past year or so.
It's been mostly harmless, consisting of women showing off the
romantic things their partners do for them, buying them flowers,
surprising them at the home, quickly giving them their jacket
when they're cold. Recently, though, one creator has been making
a lot of noise online with her incredibly diverse or
(17:08):
divisive videos about her specific version of the Princess treatment.
She went viral more recently for two specific videos, one
where she shares she doesn't tie her own shoelaces and
waits for her husband to do so, and one where
she explains that she doesn't speak to wait staff or
make eye contact when she's at a restaurant with her husband.
All this, Palmer claims, is done in an attempt to
(17:30):
be more feminine and let her husband be more masculine.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
By contrast, honestly, I understand what the youth of today beis.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
She's being silly. I'm in a herpe that she's being silly.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
She's not Offlook talk okay, because there's a Lincoln what
we're saying.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Well, listen, it's I think she's sorry. I didn't Minerra,
but I clearly. I feel like she's doing it for
to get people child and listening. We're talking about her
right now, so clearly it's working. I think she's trying
to make a statement and being a joke.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I mean, I'm not sure how true that would be,
that she would just not make eye contact with a
way to yeah, allow her husband to be more masculine.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I think there's other ways to make your man feel
more masculine, like hey, honey, take up the trash.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So like you make him feel more masculine by letting
him control the scenario in a restaurant and all the
food and deal with a weare but you wait there
for me tire laces?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
How is that masculine? I don't understand anyone. It's like
de masculine, that's yeah, it's like demasculating. Like tie your
own freaking shouice, right, is what I would think you
would say to me?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Can you make Can you imagine me shouting? You shouting
to him? Be bibe okay, already you go, come tie
my laces? Yeah, you're right?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Are you having a laugh?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
So, in one hand, she's empowering them and the other,
whether she's trying it on purpose, or not she's disempowering.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
What do I do that makes you feel masters skilling?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I think you do a good job with that on
most things with it. What sticks out to me? I
think you're always one when we're out, you're always ask
my opinion too. You always speak highly of me privately
and in public. So as a man, you want to
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have respect and know that your your wife thinks highly
of you and you you're always they always do a
good job of that.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And what do I do that demasculates you?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
It demasculates me.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I think it's just good to know what women or
what I'm doing that's good and bad.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I'm not necessarily if it's demasculating. But when you try
and back seat driver or to ask to tell me
how to drive or stop stopping to stop you need,
like I'm a man, trust me how to drive a
car that's debedable. So I'm not sure if it's the
But I'm not sure if I was anything you do
(20:03):
that demasculates.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Me, I would bring up something. Maybe. I think sometimes
the passiveness can demasculate No, or is that just piss
you off?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Doesn't demasculate me?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
No, it just me okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Doesn't make me feel any less masculine.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I think.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I mean you do a lot of things, princess treatment,
the notes, you bring me flowers almost every time you
go to the grocery store, Like, as soon as the
flowers are dying in the on the counter, you get
me a new one. Sometimes you throw them away.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Not some things.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Once once one time you threw them away. I was like,
did you really throw my flowers away?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Why don't them tonight?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
So child? But sure? Why what do I what things
do I do to empower your feminism? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
No, I mean you again, the notes, the flowers, the
ones that you don't throw away, the like you.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
It's so silly, I tell you, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I think, yeah, I mean those things are nice. I
for me personally, I think it's how you treat me
mm hmm. That is what makes me feel like your
words matter to me a lot. I think I actually
think my love language has changed a bit.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
So the one percent of the time where I don't
choose my words wisely, you feel like that ruins the
power then your feminism?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, yeah it does.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, okay, well nice, that's what kill you?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Hey, That's what kills a lot of marriages, is the
one percent. That's the thing. It's like, you can if
that one percent. That's why words are words are tough, right,
Disrespect is I'm not saying that. I'm not saying you
like you in that, but I think when you look
at marriages, it's the one percent of something that happens
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that creates the biggest hole.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
What's also when the one percent keeps up to two percent,
three percent and starts to become a weekly involvement in
your life.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I think, well, once you start slipping, it slips. That's
the thing. I think that's with like anything too, Like
once there's a once, there's an ounce of disrespect, that disrespect.
If you don't check, it can double and then it triples,
and then it just it's a landslide. I think.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
So you get plenty of princess treatment. The spa yep.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
He writes me notes and he's like here's a spas
like welcome to the spam mist Russell and he has
the bath bubbles and the candles and music. It's it's
all you do. You you do a really sweet.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Job of that. Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Stay tuned for some crazy ones next week
Speaker 1 (23:19):
HM
Wind Down with Jane Kramer, an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Okay, so a couple of headlines that I will we
want to chat about. Joe Judice reveals ridiculous salary ex
wife Teresa made during Real Housewives of New Jersey Season one?
So did you guys ever have a conversation with us
about being on tv? So Gia, she's got our podcast
that she was talking about called Casual Chaos, and he goes,
(00:30):
I don't really remember. I don't think so he said,
it was all kind of a blur. I think the
first year we had that big party in the great room.
I think that show cost me one hundred and fifty
thousand dollars the first year. So Joe was referring to
a season four cast trip where he called his wife
(00:52):
a bitch wife and they see you next Tuesday while
while taking a phone call. We were stuck there for
like a week. I think in this house just drinking
wine every day, he said during that podcast. Sometimes it
just gets so chaotic with everybody around, because all they
want you to do is just start drama and do
this and do that. They want you to just hang
out and have a normal time.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
They don't want you to just hang out and have
a normal time.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, and so we've actually had conversations about this, about
being on a reality show. You were asked to be
on a weren't you asked to be on like a
Real Housewives show back in the day?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
No, I think they approached back in the day ever
doing it. Yeah, when I was living, I played an lounge.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Count Yeah, and you guys never did. No, No, But
there is there is a production company that has reached out.
I've done a couple of calls with them. They they
have pitched it as a docu series versus a reality series,
and we've discussed it a bit, and you know, we've
(02:02):
kind of talked about pros and cons of it, and
I personally am leaning more on the con side of
doing a docu series. I think again, when you look
at certain shows, like what's the difference between reality or
a docu? And I think a docu like The Quarterback
or shows like that where you're more it seems a
(02:23):
little less salacious and more the heart of who these
people are, as opposed to a reality show where it's
slipping tables and pat fighting, which I could never do
that type of reality show. I think that's not my personality.
(02:44):
Just I couldn't do it. I couldn't handle a Bravo
fans or the comments on that grand scale of things.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well, whoever, who can you recollect that walks away from
a reality TV show looking good?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I mean, I think Bethany Frankel is a great example
of walking away from a reality show. And I mean,
she's got successful brands, she's she's one of those people
where she says whatever she wants and that's her and
obviously people and she doesn't care about people's comments. That's
what's so great. Like, and I've I've reached out to
(03:23):
Bethany in the past because I'm like, how do you
do this? And She's like, don't be boring, Like, go
have an opinion, say what you want to say.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Well, she may be an exception from the river.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
And I think people like that. I'm like, man, that's great.
And I think there's a lot of people that can
come off of shows and have brands explode. And but
most times, I mean, shoot, if you look at Whitney
the first season of was The Mormon Wives, everyone didn't
(03:55):
like her and she got so much hate. Now I
think season two she came back around, But I think
it's people forget that it is a TV show too
in that and they want it to be they want
that drama. And that's why I could never do reality.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I don't I don't see you though a bit, but
I think the I think the anxiety levels of doing
something like that would would be off.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Oh, it would be awful for me. But the docuseries,
I've entertained the conversations I think. I I mean, I
like the production company. I still fear though, at the
end of the day, it's a TV show and then
an edit is an edit, and I would hate for
it to be sharing your heart and sharing the family
(04:39):
and then have it be edited in a way where
it could hurt because I'm like I I can't afford that,
literally can't afford any anything negative and then have it
ruin other things. That's where I'm like, would I be
taken seriously as an actress if I did a docuseries?
Like all these questions, I'm wondering, but I'm I'm still
keeping the I'm still keeping it open because it's like
(05:02):
it could be an opportunity, it could be more eyes
for you in your career.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
It could be I think there's Okay, I think those
and I'm open to discussing anything. You know that, But
I think those people watch reality TV for drama.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Okay, my thoughts, Well, take that. I'm talking more docu series.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I'm getting to that. So people watch reality t TV
for drama essentially, they don't watch it necessarily for who's
on there right or to really delve into an individual
and how in the workings and life work. A docu
sies like The Quarterback people people watch it because they're
genuinely interested.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Full swing or is that what it's called on Netflix,
the Golf show, like I fell in love with golf.
I want to love these people now.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
It's genuinely interested in what it's about a quarterback you
want to learn about. Okay, I love football, I love
everything about a quarterback, how he has to train and
think play in Levy's life, So they have or people
going with a different outlook because they're not looking for drama.
They're looking for insight and they want to see how
(06:09):
the life works, not to go and slate them or
But I think reality TV has got a different perception.
And even if you call it reality TV, you're you're
putting a different box. A docuseries is something that documents
how not from a dramatic way, but how your life works.
So would you go on insight into how you how
(06:31):
you're motivated, how you live your life?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And so would you think it would be good for
our family to do a docuseries? Like would you do it?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
If?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Because obviously they're very interested, They've asked if I want
to do it, and now we're just kind of in
the holding phase. I need to sit on it. We
need to chat about it. But is it something where
you think it would be good to do given it's
a docu as opposed to reality. Okay, so I think
(06:59):
it was a sec I think it's still showing reality.
That's the thing. That's the part that scares me because
it's messy. Reality is messy.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
But how is it shaped and how's the tone of
voice of it being marketed? I think there's a scale here, right,
and if it tips towards beneficial rather than detrimental for
the family, And I think it's something that needs to
be a serious conversation and explode. But you're going to
it's like any docuseries or reality TV you're going to
get I think it would be.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Too defensive of you if I'm being honest.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Because why would you need to be defensive of me?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Because just like I was just talking about something on
wine Down where it's you know, the other dage always
like Alan, you're so harsh. I think your Scottish resting
face and your accent you come across.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Harsher resting face.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, but do.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Like you come across harsher And there's times with us
where it's like, don't, don't say it, and you're like,
that's not it's just my That's how I would have
said it, and that's how you would have said it,
as opposed to.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I see it sometimes a lot of the time.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And you don't mean it from an angry place, but
I think it's you have a different you have a
harder approach, and I would make that no, but that's
not good for us. I don't want people to being.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Not towards you.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
People could maybe perceive that as harsh, because I sometimes do.
And then I wouldn't want us to hear the outside
rumbles of people's comments and opinions because they're allowed.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, but also it's a chance for people to get
to know me and my personality.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So I think again, if it swings towards it's beneficial
for or I was in the family, then it's something
we can talk about.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
And I think it's can be quite the kiss of
deatha for couples. I mean the two reality shows.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That what you're calling it reality?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Well, no, I'm saying the two reality shows. Max and
I went out for that. We were doing the series
each one. He was like cheating on. I'm like, man,
that had been some good reality show and that actually
all aired, but I'm like, I'm so glad it didn't.
Like I was saved and like here I am again.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Imagine dealing with that in front of the cameras.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Could not imagine that's something that was like, I mean,
it would have been devastating, but more so for thank him.
But anyways, So, I mean, I don't know DOCU, but
I could never do reality.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Stay tuned, sta duned.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
So. A man refuses to lend five k to spoiled
sister who always got parents' help. A man seeks support
from the Reddit lovely community following a tense family standoff
over lending money to his younger sister. In his post,
the thirty two year old says he's refusing to step
(10:19):
in financially after a lifetime a feeling like the overlooked sibling.
He explains that growing up, it was obvious early on
who the favor was. His sister, now twenty seven, got
the name brand close and knew his phone more freedom,
while he says he was left to fend for himself.
The differences, he recalls, were stark. When she totaled her
car at seventeen, our parents bought her another one right away.
(10:39):
When I asked for help covering my college books, they
told me to get another job. From that point on,
he stopped asking for assistance. He says he started working
at sixteen and didn't stop paying his way through college,
sharing rent with roommates and skipping trips, while his sister
lived rent free at home into her twenties. The security
(11:00):
already was tested last week when his sister called him.
According to the Post, she said she was in debt
needed five thousand dollars, but didn't offer much explanation beyond
credit card bills and that she was feeling overwhelmed. He
made the decision not to give her the money. Not
because I can't, I technically could, but I knew if
I said yes, I would, it would just be more
of the same and said he offered other forms of help.
(11:21):
I offered to help her find a budgeting app to look.
I told her to look into debt consolidation or talk
to a financial advisor. I love this man team, this man.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Always setting it up for prevention in the future rather
than a cure.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
What are your thoughts on lending family money.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I think is it the FoST thing that've asked you
is an important thing, because if it's something that's habitual
and comes up a lot, then maybe it's a different
view on it. And I think the second thing is
is it an emergency or is it a luxury? Give
If you've got a family member who never asked you
(12:04):
for money or asked you for money in an emergency,
and then I think that's different from some potential spoil
brat that's had everything our whole life and is at
the age of twenty seven is still asking for money.
So I don't know. I think it depends on the circumstances.
If my mom or dad, the brother asked me for
(12:25):
money in an emergency, then I would probably I would
probably try and look after them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So I've helped in the past a certain someone in
my family, but I had to cut that person off
because it was not my responsibility to continue to clean
up their mess. Maybe that makes me sound harsh, but
there comes a point where I knew I was never
going to get that money back.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
So, and I've helped rescue so many times that I
was I stopped because they're only coming to me when
they need that, as opposed to you know, calling to
say hey, how are you or you know. And I
think at that time in my life too, I had
someone that was take take, take, take taking, and I
(13:17):
was like, no more taking from anyone like you none,
no more. Yeah, Like I literally cut everything and everybody
off from any taking, even as far as no, I'm
not going to get you four tickets to the Jason
Eldin Show. Like I'm like, I'm so sick of people
asking and always constantly trying to take.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
And this was family mambles as well.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
This was a family member, this person that was asking
for that I would give money to, but I never
got back. I never asked, but I don't. And again,
if someone now were to call and say I really
need help. I would maybe do a loan, but I
think it just becomes tricky because I mean, it depends
(14:02):
on how much. But also I've got my own life
that I'm.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, everyone's got the old own life that has the fund. Again,
it goes back to historically as this person always got
the handout. And if that's the case, then I probably
wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
But I think that's why too when it comes to kids.
That's why I'm going to be When a kid is
given things all the time, they don't work for it.
And now look at this girl is in debt and asking.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
For money at twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
At twenty seven, like it's it's clearly shows the brief
like the those habits did not help her, and a
parent just giving them money is not teaching them anything
hard work or discipline. And I'm proud of this brother.
If I ever was on Reddit, which I never am, nice,
(14:59):
I would go on and say because I also think
in a marriage, like is lending family money something you
bring to your partner or do you side on your
own if it's family, Because I think there's a piece
of I mean it's in movies like that Leslie Man,
what was that was it knocked up now. I can't
(15:19):
remember which movie. It was forty year old something. This
is forty yeah, and she's like, stop giving your dad, Like,
stop giving your dad money. It's like enough, you know
what I mean? And I think I would be upset
if you were constantly sending money to a family person.
(15:40):
Maybe that makes me a but I'm like, wouldn't you be?
We were strapped and I'm constantly sending money and I
didn't really tell you. I think that's I think money
can be such a huge issue in marriages and that
you have to be open about it.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I I'm sending money to a family member, secret money,
and we are struggling, and I don't tell you then yet'
that's you, well says.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
But again, if in a bind, bind, of course, I
would be there for someone.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Absolutely, But I think we're both cleaned on that.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yes, And since being cut off, they haven't asked. Really, yeah,
you're intrigued. I will not tell you. No, I would never.
(16:41):
A woman on TikTok calls these strange dating behaviors princess treatment.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
But experts this is a funny one.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Aren't so sure? So the princess treatment TikTok dating trend
has been making the rounds for the past year or so.
It's been mostly harmless, consisting of women showing off the
romantic things their partners do for them, buying them flowers,
surprising them at the home, quickly giving them their jacket
when they're cold. Recently, though, one creator has been making
a lot of noise online with her incredibly diverse or
(17:08):
divisive videos about her specific version of the Princess treatment.
She went viral more recently for two specific videos, one
where she shares she doesn't tie her own shoelaces and
waits for her husband to do so, and one where
she explains that she doesn't speak to wait staff or
make eye contact when she's at a restaurant with her husband.
All this, Palmer claims, is done in an attempt to
(17:30):
be more feminine and let her husband be more masculine.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
By contrast, honestly, I understand what the youth of today beis.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
She's being silly. I'm in a herpe that she's being silly.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
She's not Offlook talk okay, because there's a Lincoln what
we're saying.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Well, listen, it's I think she's sorry. I didn't Minerra,
but I clearly. I feel like she's doing it for
to get people child and listening. We're talking about her
right now, so clearly it's working. I think she's trying
to make a statement and being a joke.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I mean, I'm not sure how true that would be,
that she would just not make eye contact with a
way to yeah, allow her husband to be more masculine.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I think there's other ways to make your man feel
more masculine, like hey, honey, take up the trash.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So like you make him feel more masculine by letting
him control the scenario in a restaurant and all the
food and deal with a weare but you wait there
for me tire laces?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
How is that masculine? I don't understand anyone. It's like
de masculine, that's yeah, it's like demasculating. Like tie your
own freaking shouice, right, is what I would think you
would say to me?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Can you make Can you imagine me shouting? You shouting
to him? Be bibe okay, already you go, come tie
my laces? Yeah, you're right?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Are you having a laugh?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
So, in one hand, she's empowering them and the other,
whether she's trying it on purpose, or not she's disempowering.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
What do I do that makes you feel masters skilling?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I think you do a good job with that on
most things with it. What sticks out to me? I
think you're always one when we're out, you're always ask
my opinion too. You always speak highly of me privately
and in public. So as a man, you want to
(19:22):
have respect and know that your your wife thinks highly
of you and you you're always they always do a
good job of that.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And what do I do that demasculates you?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
It demasculates me.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I think it's just good to know what women or
what I'm doing that's good and bad.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I'm not necessarily if it's demasculating. But when you try
and back seat driver or to ask to tell me
how to drive or stop stopping to stop you need,
like I'm a man, trust me how to drive a
car that's debedable. So I'm not sure if it's the
But I'm not sure if I was anything you do
(20:03):
that demasculates.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Me, I would bring up something. Maybe. I think sometimes
the passiveness can demasculate No, or is that just piss
you off?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Doesn't demasculate me?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
No, it just me okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Doesn't make me feel any less masculine.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I think.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I mean you do a lot of things, princess treatment,
the notes, you bring me flowers almost every time you
go to the grocery store, Like, as soon as the
flowers are dying in the on the counter, you get
me a new one. Sometimes you throw them away.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Not some things.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Once once one time you threw them away. I was like,
did you really throw my flowers away?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Why don't them tonight?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
So child? But sure? Why what do I what things
do I do to empower your feminism? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
No, I mean you again, the notes, the flowers, the
ones that you don't throw away, the like you.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
It's so silly, I tell you, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I think, yeah, I mean those things are nice. I
for me personally, I think it's how you treat me
mm hmm. That is what makes me feel like your
words matter to me a lot. I think I actually
think my love language has changed a bit.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
So the one percent of the time where I don't
choose my words wisely, you feel like that ruins the
power then your feminism?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, yeah it does.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, okay, well nice, that's what kill you?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Hey, That's what kills a lot of marriages, is the
one percent. That's the thing. It's like, you can if
that one percent. That's why words are words are tough, right,
Disrespect is I'm not saying that. I'm not saying you
like you in that, but I think when you look
at marriages, it's the one percent of something that happens
(22:22):
that creates the biggest hole.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
What's also when the one percent keeps up to two percent,
three percent and starts to become a weekly involvement in
your life.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I think, well, once you start slipping, it slips. That's
the thing. I think that's with like anything too, Like
once there's a once, there's an ounce of disrespect, that disrespect.
If you don't check, it can double and then it triples,
and then it just it's a landslide. I think.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
So you get plenty of princess treatment. The spa yep.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
He writes me notes and he's like here's a spas
like welcome to the spam mist Russell and he has
the bath bubbles and the candles and music. It's it's
all you do. You you do a really sweet.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Job of that. Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Stay tuned for some crazy ones next week
Speaker 1 (23:19):
HM
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