December 18, 2024 • 34 mins
Jana is proud that Jolie wants to follow in her acting footsteps, but a conversation with Drake Bell reminds her that you can’t always trust the people around your kids.
Drake shares his painful story of abuse as a child actor and helps Jana with solutions to feel more secure as Jolie joins her on a movie set.
Allan is starstruck and remembers singing along to the “Drake and Josh” theme song all the way in Scotland.
Plus, Allan confronts the recent headlines about Jana and her sex scenes.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, babe, anything you want to clear up on
this episode? Yeah, be where we get our amazing guest on.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yeah, the crazy headling which makes me look like a
controlling husband, which reads why Jana Kramer's husband won't allow
her to do sex.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Scenes quote unquote in the allow and they.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Allow the allow world. There's there's the king of Elephant
in the room. That's the controlling You're not allowed to
do this, You're not allowed to do that, And.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, it's a very controlling statement. But I knew what
you were saying. Although I did tell Christen in the
last episode, I'm like, there was a piece of me
that was like, is he because allow was very like
I will not allow it, and I'm like, oh wait,
(00:54):
maybe he like really like, I'm actually wondering if that's
the case.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Well, which we talked about, Yeah, we touched on it earlier.
There's nothing I would do if the if the situation
is good for your career.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
You see why I have to watch my words now
when I podcast because they pick up everything and then
you have to go, well, that's not what I really meant, Like, you.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Know, yeah, if the opportunity is good for your career,
and it's clearly a marital discussion, right and listen, If
you feel it's good for your career, then.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
It's so hard for you to say.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Then I'm never going to hold you back from doing something.
You know that, No, I know that, Like, deep down,
I might say, it's just because I don't want you
to do that, but it doesn't mean I'm going to
be selfish and detrimental to your career or one scene
on a TV show or a movie. You know I would.
I'm I've got a broader, more productive mindset and that.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I can respect that.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
It would be tough and challenging if something like that
came up, But also I know that you truly wouldn't
say you are not allowed to do that.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
No, never, absolutely, no way. If it's good for your career,
there's there's no part of me would stand in the way.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, it would be hard.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It would be horrendous.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
But I love that. I mean, I love that.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, I mean listen, again, it would be hard, it'd
be tough, But the end of the day, we have
a very strong marriage and we both respect each other
and we both are supportive of each other.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
So so for those, it's not like a it's a conversation,
but it's not an l.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
For those. And then the d ms and calling me
a dictator and like chill out, hell as a headling
always as it's supposed.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
To be seen, right, there's more context behind things, so
much more.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But yeah, okay, that's.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Why I'm very mindful of how I word things. And
I don't like that piece because it's I wish I
could go back to the time of just being very
free and saying whatever I wanted to say. But then
you have to realize, okay, wait, that's that's let me change,
me change that word because I'm like, I knew that
was going to be the word that probably would hook
because it does sound bad.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
It makes me look controlling.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
But you're not.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Things.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
But you can be a little jealous, but who isn't.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I wouldn't call it jealous. I would call it protective.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
That's a better word.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah, I wouldn't call it jealousy any man. I'm jealous,
so right, protective unprotectable.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
You're like extra protective. Yeah yeah, yeah, which I like.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Good. I'll always be like that.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
But I think again, So okay, So here's the new headline.
It's always a discussion, there's not an allow. If it's
good for my career, we'd obviously chat about it.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And yeah, yeah, absolutely, So the new headline will be
Dona Kays with Donna Grihama's husband wants of their sex scenes.
That's what they'll take from this. Yeah, go ahead, media,
see what you want from I.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Would like to be in a Taylor Sheridan show. So
I'm just going to put that out there for twenty
twenty five. And if we could just manifest that, it'd
be great, not all roles.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I'll dress up as a horse.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
And what I ride it?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Eh yeah, oh I almost looked staged. It was so good.
I'll dress off as a horse and you ride that.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I mean, just we should just you know, pitch that
to tailor right now. Okay, so that so hot on
here because we're talking about hard things anyways. Whoa, Okay, Yeah,
it's almost Christmas time and anything you want to speak
(05:36):
on about the holidays.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I don't want to speak on about the holidays.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, because I'm I'm having a tough time and so
I talked about this. I know you don't listen to
the other wine down, even though I was like, babe,
come on, always support give us the download. But I
was talking to Kristen and I'm having a tough time
about this year, Like I'm actually really struggling about it.
I don't want to get emotional, but because the last
uh two years ago, I was in England with you
(06:02):
for Christmas Eve, so that I didn't get sad about
Christmas Eve. I had a whole like breakdown on fricking
Jada Pinkett's Red Table Talk because I'm like, this is
the first year that I'm not gonna have my kids
on Christmas Eve. But it was really hard, and so
I'm like, all right, I'm going to England and then
I'm gonna fly home on Christmas Eve. And so you know,
this year, we have our baby, but I don't have
(06:23):
my big babies, and I don't want to miss baking
cookies the night before and leaving them out for Sannah.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
We'll both that's so big babies because I don't have
mine either.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I know, but ours are in different stages of life.
Like your big baby doesn't believe in Sannah. Okay, mine
still do, and so they don't run down the stairs
with their like you know, with the little pitter pattering
on their feet and leave out carrots for the deer.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
They don't pack up snotty test shoes that Jojuo has left.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, this is really funny on the floor we I
forgot to move Jojo one of the nights, which JoJo's
are you thank you sorry? I'm doing everything else, and
so sometimes it's very part of that.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I also forgot to move.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Them, but I forgot to move Jojo, which is the elf.
And Alan came up with the made a lie and
said Jojo had the flu, because everyone we know right
now has the flu. And so that night I left
booger tissues a trail from the bottom of the stairs
all the way into the pantry, and I left out
(07:33):
a bowl of soup chicken noodle soup with a little spoon.
And then I wrote a little note saying because that
night we wrote their Christmas wish list to Sanna the
things they wanted. As they're writing it down, by the way,
I'm like Amazon ad to cart I'm like Monster Transformer.
Where can I find this dinosaur transformer with a shield
like it's like Jason's very like specific. And then I
(07:55):
was trying to think of the things that I already
bought them. I'm like, wouldn't you want a like, I
don't know, they couldn't remember what like a remote control
car that you can do with your hands or something.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
So yeah. But then.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So I left the little sticky note and I was
just like, hey, Jolie and Jace, you know, sorry, I
have the flu, but I still love you.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I gave you know, stand of the notes.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
But anyways, this morning I was like, hey, kiddos, can
you please clean up the snot rags that Jojo left?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
And it was actually hilarious. So Jolie feeds the dog
in the morning, which she means she needs reminded of
every single morning she.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Keeps wanting a second dog, and I'm like, until you
can actually remember to feed the one dog you.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Have, So she had to feed the dog. Jace was
then asked to pick up JoJo's snotty tissues, which she
wasn't happy about. He's like, Jolie needs to do it
as well as like, Jolie's feeding the dog. When she's
finished feeding the dog, she'll come and help you. So
he nearly had a little meltdown at the pantry, which
(09:01):
he would have been getting into the different way you
would have been. But anyway, it's hilarious because he starts
to pick up each individual tissue and he's picking it
up like there's so many snots and gems on it,
and you've walken each individual one over at the bin
or the trash can you call it? Say you like
(09:21):
he actually thinks of snots? Yeah, on those tissues. He's
like scared to pick them up, so cute, and I
see to him just pick like six or seven up
at a time. Therefore you don't need to walk back
and forth to the trash can or the bin too much?
Is that no?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
No, He's like yes, yeah, so that was that.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
That's how much he believes in Santa. He still believes.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
That's what I'm saying, your big big I don't have
to would not be doing that. So that's where it's like,
this year, my big my bigs still believe in Sanna.
So I don't want to miss that magic of having
them run down the stairs. So I got any to
think of. So I might need to move Christmas again
this year, Like I don't know if because Roman doesn't know,
(10:06):
you know, Roman has no idea.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
So I don't. It doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
What he gets. You just eat it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, But like he doesn't, he doesn't register when Christmas is. So,
if it's okay with you, I think I want to
move Christmas by a day so that we can have
that memory.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
But we still celebrate Christmas and the presents for each
other on the normal Christmas day.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, you and I.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, but the kids then it comes the next day.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
If you want them to open up presents next day,
that's fine, Okay.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Absolutely figure it out.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I still, I just it just makes me really sad.
That's the one part about divorce. I just don't think
it's fair. I think the person that did the did
the deed, does not allow should not get Christmas Day,
Christmas Night, sorry, Christmas Night as punishment. I think the
person that has an affair in the marriage does not
get Christmas Eve night, okay, because they're the ones that
(10:59):
bucked up the marriage. And again, I'm very happy in
my new life. I love our life, but I don't
think it's fair that I don't have my kids because
of someone's terrible decisions.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Maybe if you get a big enough petition, you'd just
never know.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I'm taking back. I'm taking back Christmas for.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
The I should you should, But then again, I'll probably
get crap for saying that.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I just don't think it's fair anyways.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Uh So, moving on, our guest is someone that I
shared the stage with but had no idea who he was.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
The Ice King.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
The Ice King, That's how I knew him, and I
was always wondering, like who was under that mask?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
See when I looked at his mask, I thought, that
is the biggest, the size of the thing you had
on his head. The first thing was how do you
keep your balance? Not just topple over?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So, but the Ice King was a Drake Bell very
excited to get him on the show. Let's take a
break and then get him on.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Hi.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Hey, how's it going.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Good?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Good, I'm Jana, This is Alan. Cool guys, nice to
meet you too.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
So we were just talking about your costume because I
remember being so I was the Royal Night Yeah on stage,
and I remember just looking at you being like that helmet.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Or helmet, but I mean like whatever, the head piece
are so big?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Yeah, you know, it was surprisingly super light, like it
didn't feel like I had anything on. It was all
made of such light styrot foam that it was totally fine.
I first saw it, I was like, how am I
going to move around? And with the ice cube so high?
I was like, how am I? But it's it's crazy.
It was actually how was your ear costume was? Did
you feel like you can move around and stuff?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
For yes, but it was so my my helmet thing
or whatever. The ponytail was heavy, so like this part
was fine, but it was the ponytail was super heavy.
So it just like kept like like going in the
chin strap. I did not like the chin strap. I
was like, oh I can't breathe. Yeah, I don't know,
but it was it was. I mean, I feel like
(13:30):
I had the best costume to move around in, like
I was not as like constricted in things, which.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
You know, it was a super cool costume.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I just remember looking at your costume because I was
there on most of the days of filming, and I
remember looking at your costume and thinking, whoever is in
there is doing so well not to topple over.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Yeah, yeah, it's but that's the thing. Like I did
the Mexico version of the Masked Singer, and I had
a huge head in that one. But it wasn't made
It was made out of like a thicker plastic. So
that was definitely like like this, but for some reason,
you know, the way that they made it for for this,
(14:12):
for the American version was like it was literally like
you could like toss it. It was so light.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Did you have fun doing the show?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
It was a blast.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Did you have any guesses about any of the other people?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I had absolutely no idea, no clue, no idea. They
do a really good job at keeping.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Everybody knowingly so good.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I was like, come on, just tell me who it is.
I'm like, I want to know who's in my group.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
And they're like.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Yeah, they're like noah, no, And you can't see. I
mean we're where everyone's wearing gloves. You don't know. I'm like,
are they trying to throw you off? Is that like
a is that a dude? In that help? Because we
couldn't hear I could only hear like one another person's
like only the person that was like right before me sing,
So I didn't even get to hear I couldn't even
hear people's performances or anything.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Right, I mean, I thought you were doing great. I
thought for sure. I was like going home like every time,
and then I did.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
But it's fine.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Yeah, unfortunately I made it just as far as I
did in the Mexico version.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Two Oh at at what point did you go out?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Second song?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Second song?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
But it was so good.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, it was a lot of fun. I got unmasked
on Miley Night, and it was so serendipitous because the
next morning I met this dude at the restaurant upstairs
at the hotel and had I not I've had been
at had I not been voted off, I would have
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been at the at the mass singer performing. And I
met him, we went. He ended up working at this
legendary studio across the street from the hotel, which is
like the Beach pet Sounds and all of Van Halen's
early stuff and led Zeppelin one, two, three, four and
Elton John like it's just like prints all of his stuff,
(15:56):
super legendary studio, and so he's like, oh, come, I'll
give you a little tour, and we ended up listening
to some of the music and I ended up recording
a bunch of stuff there because I was like, dude,
I have to record at the studio. It's like the
doors record and everything you know. But it turns out
it was right where Miley wrote all of her new record,
and I was like, wait a minute, I got voted
(16:17):
off on Miley Night. And then so I'm like watching
all these cool videos of my Janis Joplin did her
last vocal there.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
And so there's a really cool video of like Miley
like singing of Janice Joplin song like on the same
mic that she sang last song she ever sang on.
And I'm getting like all this history of like how
Miley came to the studio, was like, Oh, I love
the studio. I have to record everything here. I'm like,
all right, well, then I'm recording some stuff in here.
This is awesome. So I recorded a couple of songs
from my new album. Oh yeah. And it was just
(16:45):
kind of serendipitous that I was like, oh, I get
kicked off on Miley Night, and then I have this
whole like day the next day at Flowers Studio. It
was really cool.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
It all works out, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, and you're you're in the middle of a tour
right now, Is that right right now? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
NonStop Flights the name of my new album. I just
got off. I was just in all over Mexico, And
now I'm back in the States. We're doing I'll be
in Minneapolis tonight and then or tomorrow, flying there tonight
and then Salt Lake on Saturday, and then I'll be
back here. I have two shows. I have a show
at Universal City Walk on the twenty first and a
(17:23):
show at Venice West in Venice on the twentieth, and
then I finally get like a little downtime for the holidays.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Do you fly in that do you fly on that
crazy plane that's on your Instagram?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I wish, I wish. That's that's pretty cruel, lying on
the Lisa Marie or something.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
So okay, take me back if it's cool. So, my
my daughter, she has been she she did a movie
with me last year.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
She played my daughter in the movie. And it was
around the time I think it was. It was it
after the show came out. We watched it.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
It was either before or after. It was like around
kind of the same time. Quite on set came out,
and I'm like, you know, Mike, because I already was
trying to It's not that I don't want her to
be an actress, but it's like she wants to do
it so bad, and I'm I obviously want to give
her the opportunity, and so you know, she I made
her audition for the role, and you know, the producers
(18:29):
ended up loving her and they used her. But then
you know, I'm watching that show and as a mom,
and then from you know, knowing you were coming out,
I was doing research and you know, your your dad
was seeing signs and then things still managed to happen.
And it's like as a parent and now that you know,
(18:49):
if when you have kids or as a boy, yeah,
it's like what do you how do you is there
is there anything that you would have done differently as
a parent now if in the situation, if your kid
was in your situation.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I think as a parent, you just have to be
absolutely vigilant and not let anybody sway you into not
being everywhere with your child the entire time. And it's
hard because it's like, you know when they're it's I
don't know how old your your daughter is.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Well, my daughter's about to be nine.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
But I'll just say this, like I already feel bad
for this because you know my daughter's like, well I
want to you know, she kind of wanted her own
independence too, or you know, when they go to the schooling,
I'm like, yeah, go, like, my mommy's got to be
on set anyways, So I just kind of let her.
And now I'm just like, well, shoot, I did. I
wasn't even I just I trusted the teacher. So now
I'm like, well I wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah no, I mean that's it's it's a tough thing
because it's easy when they're young, you know, like my son,
but when they're I want their independence. They feel like
she didn't I.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Want to eat lunch with me in my trailer. I
was like, come to lunch and mommy's trailer. She's like, no,
I want to go eat with the other boy. And
you know, the teacher.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Yeah yeah. So I mean, I don't know. I I
I'm in I mean, just because of what I've seen,
I'm in the camp of like, you know, you don't
let your kids out of sight, you know, you just
have to be around them all the time. And then
also I think that as far as getting into the business,
like I wouldn't have wanted my dad to see some
(20:30):
documentary and then that make me not be able to
do what I love to do and have the amazing
experiences that I've had and all the great memories that
I've had. But at the same time, I think that
there's other things that we need to prepare young people
for getting into the industry, even outside of what the
(20:53):
documentary talks about. Like, you know, think about how hard
it is just to get through to walk through the
halls of a high school, you know, and you are
now splashed on the cover of magazines being objectified, and
you know, I'm getting asked if I wear boxers or briefs,
and I'm like, I don't know, I'm fourteen, Like why
(21:14):
is some grown woman asking me this question? Like it's
just going to be some cute thing that they put
on the cover of a magazine that goes out everywhere,
you know, And this is you know, I'm like pre
social media. So like you go into when they had
like all those teen magazines and you go in there
and you be like, what kind of girl are you
looking for? And what use it? And you're just like,
(21:35):
I have any Like I'm just trying to kiss my
girlfriend for the first time, and like all this stuff
and even and and it goes for like men and women.
It's like they just and you're and these are your
formative years.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
I don't think that they send any of the kids
down and say, hey, so you just booked this show.
It's possibly could be a massive success. And some other
people who've been in your situation, uh here, read this article,
read this headline, see this magazine cover. Is that something
(22:10):
you're prepared for? Like, because that's gonna you know, And
and I wish that you could say, oh, well, you
know it's not you know, it's the faults of the
people they're writing, you know, these horrible story but it's like, well,
people consuming it, like that's going to exist. So but
we're thrust in at like thirteen fourteen years old of
(22:31):
like dealing with something that is hard enough for some
twenty five year old person to look at and read
about themselves. But now you're putting it on these like
you know kids. I think that's what I've seen a
lot of stuff. You know, when you're supposed to be
tripping and falling and making mistakes and learning and you know, going,
(22:53):
oh thank god they didn't have social media when I
was in high school. It's like, oh, Scar, Like, you know,
we've got these people who literally every second of their
lives is documented and seen by the public when this
is when they're supposed to be making their little mistakes.
You know. Yeah, so even outside of just what the
documentary talks about, there's a lot of stuff that goes
into you know, what's are are are you mentally prepared
(23:19):
to really go along with It's not just topping on,
you know, otherwise, maybe like let's do drama class at
school for a while and like see if you really
love acting, and see if you really this is something
you want to do instead of just like thrusting, you know,
a kid into like oh, now they're the star of
some show and now they're you know, opening up their
phones and reading things about them and they're like why
(23:42):
are they even looking.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
At me like that?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
And you know whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
But yeah, so there's.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
A lot probably roughly twenty years ago when you were
or more when you were going through this. I feel
like as a parent, I think we're good at asking questions.
(24:08):
I think if Jolie's in a one to one situation
or she's got an individual coach, we would ask questions.
And that's that's not a slight on your parents. I
think that's now because things have evolved so much on
a media standpoint where people like you were exposed to
are now being ousted a little bit more and there's
more recognition that not just your guys's industry, but in
(24:33):
so many like in professional football soccer. There's so many
people like that that are now being brought out and
actually punished for it because of social media and because
people now feel like they can have a voice. So
congratulations for being one of the people who has has
stepped stepped and done it. And there's so many people
in my industry are now doing that from back when
(24:55):
they were back when they were kids. There's a big
it's a huge thing in England and it was a
whole football club for decades and decades and decades that
were exposed to this pedophile ring. And now those players
that were like eight, nine, ten years old even younger
are now coming out and say, yeah, okay, this was
the guy who did this. So this was the guy
(25:16):
who did this, and all because of social media has
exposed it. So I think the fact that it's ailed
me and there's more notoriety around it is the fact
that people can ask more questions, whereas twenty years ago
it was less held of. I think so therefore, parents
would tend to trust people more and not ask the
(25:36):
questions which they would ask.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Now, did you share your story so that you could
be the voice for other people to come forward and
share theirs as well.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
No, I think that was something that was just like
a happy ancillary effect. I think that, you know, really
it was I've had this inside for so long. I
never talked about it publicly, and I said no, no, no, no,
(26:08):
no many times to this documentary. And then finally I
kind of started wrestling with the options, and it's like, well,
if I ever do tell my story, you know what,
am I just going to say it on some like podcast,
or am I gonna eventually write a book or or
just get written in some article that nobody reads but
(26:31):
somebody picks up a weird headline. So I was like, well,
if there's going to be a point in time to
really tell the story, I mean, this is kind of
granting me the right space an opportunity to do that.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I read I read that you said that you a
lot of the reason was because of your son, and
you didn't want him to read headlines. You wanted to
be in control of Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Yeah, but not too I mean you really do you know,
becoming a parent, you realize the large like really the
reality of like what happened to you when it happened.
It's it kind of hits you a little bit heavier
of how.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Serious And I'm not okay, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
I just feel like the innocence of my son and
I'm just like the fact that somebody would have the
have that in them to take that, I don't know,
it's yeah, it has a lot more impact.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Well, I think now too, it's kind of what you were.
It's the conversations are so different. Like my mom didn't
have a conversation with me when I was a kid,
saying what's okay and what's not okay? You know, which
is now it's like hey, Jolie and to Jace too,
and I forget that I have to also tell my son.
And I don't know why that, like I just think
(27:57):
just my daughter, you know, but now we'll have to
talk to our son too and to be like this
is not okay, you know, this is by anybody mommy, daddy, stepdaddy,
like you know, and those I just yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Think too, like in in with like what you're asking about,
getting in the industry too, is like not letting your
voice be poo pooed like how it was. You know, yeah,
my dad raised a lot of questions and then people
just kind of are like, oh, you know, just this,
and then they're like, we we read and look into
(28:30):
all formal complaints. It's like that has to be written
or like nobody told us how to like make a
formal complaint. We thought that saying something to a producer
would be a formal complaint, but if it's not, like
like but it wasn't like the producer was like, hey,
I hear you. But if you want to make a
(28:51):
you you know, if you want HR or somebody to
do something about this or an investigation or anything, you
have to do a formal complaint. And here's how you
do it. Like wouldn't that be the step to take?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
You know?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
But that's it just kind of they make it to
where minimize the issue as much as possible and get
it as you know, low on the ladder, you know,
don't let it get as high up the ladder as possible.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Right is there?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Do you feel like people treat you differently now or
they'll be like, oh no.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
No, I don't think I get treated differently, but I
do have really great opportunities to you know, I travel
a lot, and so when I'm constantly at the airport
and you're thrust into people and you I have experiences
where people instead of coming up and going oh, let's
take a selfie or hey, okay, thanks love the show, like,
(29:47):
they're telling me, they're sharing with me their stories and
how they were impacted by my story and stuff like that.
So I get a lot more of that.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I feel like that's the piece that I mean that
you must be like I don't want to say this,
and I was like, proud of but like that you
you've you've helped other people.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Like that's kind I feel.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
I get what you're saying. It's it's because before the
documentary came out, you know, it was fear and stress
and and all that. And then the documentary came out
and I was kind of like locking myself at home.
I was like, I don't know, what's you know, let's
see how this turns out. And but then when I
started going out and touring and working, I was having
(30:32):
a lot of those experiences with people that were you know,
sharing their story and showing how how much of an
impact it had on them so that it felt good.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Okay, So then what Okay, I hate this question, but
I'm going to ask you acting singing? What is you know?
Twenty twenty five? Like is I know you have your
your album coming out, but is there one that you
love more than the other?
Speaker 4 (30:55):
I mean, I love making records, you know. I mean,
I love being in the studio, being in control of
when I can work and where I go and what
I do and what the music sounds like. And you know,
I mean I and it's constantly I mean other than
the travel, but you're constantly moving and going, you know.
And I don't know, on a movie set, you kind
of sit around and read a bunch of books and
(31:18):
wait to get a call to set, you know. But
I do love film and television and all of that,
but I don't think there's That's what I loved about
working on sitcom rather than doing like film or single
camera because I love the live audience, you know. I
love being able to get on stage and have a
(31:38):
live audience and music allows that allows that more.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I read that there might be a Drake and josh
reebert Ah.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I mean, I'd love to, but I mean, so you
would sign up for it then?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Yeah? If everything, Yeah, if every you know, if it
was funny and it was clever and everybody agreed, and
I mean I'd come back.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I love that it.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Just to hear that theme tune again.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
It's so good.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah. I can remember that. It just constantly played on
Nickelodeon when I was I wasn't even young. I was
probably like nineteen Josh in nineteen, I can absolutely remember.
I wasn't watching it nineteen, but I can absolutely remember
the show and the theme tune was I Found a
Way right.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Yeah, Oh you're Scottish TV.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Where are you from?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I'm from originally from Scotland.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
So you were watching it in Scotland, all right, and
it's so cool. I saw made it all the way
to Scotland.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Absolutely, Yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
A nineteen year old at that. Yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Not Scotland gets gets the things at the rest of
the world they have TV.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I thought your parents were watching when we were in
Scotland in the summertime.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I thought it was just like Hills and Sheep.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
No, literally, when we were in Scotland in the summertime
his parents were watching. I mean, it was the oldest
movie I've ever seen. I'm like, this is what a
Scottish television team was a yeah, pretty much. What is
your We'll wrap this up, but what is your kind
of mantra? Your daily mantra that you that you live by.
(33:19):
You have one to like, stay positive, to stay on
the course?
Speaker 4 (33:23):
I wow, that's I don't really have one.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
We need one, Let's get one.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
What is it like?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
How do you how do you stay positive? How do
you stay you know?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Are you too busy? Are you too busy to even
think about it?
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
It's a very corse. That's actually perfect for what our
podcast talk was earlier. Course perfect, that's funny.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I don't have any prepared mantras.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
No, it's all good, it's all good, well, Ice King,
I mean sorry, Drake Bell.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
It was lovely to chat with you for having me.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah, thank you for just being authentic and vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
And we can't wait. Okay album comes out.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
When the album came out October, So it's streaming on
all platforms right now. It's called NonStop Flight. And we've
got a couple of shows left here in the States
and then we start back up in January, so go
ahead and check on Drake Bell Instagram and Facebook and
blah blah wherever all the things, all the shows will
be posted.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Well, happy holidays and happy New Year.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
It's nice to meet you, Drake
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, babe, anything you want to clear up on
this episode? Yeah, be where we get our amazing guest on.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yeah, the crazy headling which makes me look like a
controlling husband, which reads why Jana Kramer's husband won't allow
her to do sex.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Scenes quote unquote in the allow and they.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Allow the allow world. There's there's the king of Elephant
in the room. That's the controlling You're not allowed to
do this, You're not allowed to do that, And.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, it's a very controlling statement. But I knew what
you were saying. Although I did tell Christen in the
last episode, I'm like, there was a piece of me
that was like, is he because allow was very like
I will not allow it, and I'm like, oh wait,
(00:54):
maybe he like really like, I'm actually wondering if that's
the case.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Well, which we talked about, Yeah, we touched on it earlier.
There's nothing I would do if the if the situation
is good for your career.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
You see why I have to watch my words now
when I podcast because they pick up everything and then
you have to go, well, that's not what I really meant, Like, you.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Know, yeah, if the opportunity is good for your career,
and it's clearly a marital discussion, right and listen, If
you feel it's good for your career, then.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
It's so hard for you to say.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Then I'm never going to hold you back from doing something.
You know that, No, I know that, Like, deep down,
I might say, it's just because I don't want you
to do that, but it doesn't mean I'm going to
be selfish and detrimental to your career or one scene
on a TV show or a movie. You know I would.
I'm I've got a broader, more productive mindset and that.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I can respect that.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
It would be tough and challenging if something like that
came up, But also I know that you truly wouldn't
say you are not allowed to do that.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
No, never, absolutely, no way. If it's good for your career,
there's there's no part of me would stand in the way.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, it would be hard.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It would be horrendous.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
But I love that. I mean, I love that.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, I mean listen, again, it would be hard, it'd
be tough, But the end of the day, we have
a very strong marriage and we both respect each other
and we both are supportive of each other.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
So so for those, it's not like a it's a conversation,
but it's not an l.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
For those. And then the d ms and calling me
a dictator and like chill out, hell as a headling
always as it's supposed.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
To be seen, right, there's more context behind things, so
much more.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But yeah, okay, that's.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Why I'm very mindful of how I word things. And
I don't like that piece because it's I wish I
could go back to the time of just being very
free and saying whatever I wanted to say. But then
you have to realize, okay, wait, that's that's let me change,
me change that word because I'm like, I knew that
was going to be the word that probably would hook
because it does sound bad.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
It makes me look controlling.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
But you're not.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Things.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
But you can be a little jealous, but who isn't.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I wouldn't call it jealous. I would call it protective.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
That's a better word.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah, I wouldn't call it jealousy any man. I'm jealous,
so right, protective unprotectable.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
You're like extra protective. Yeah yeah, yeah, which I like.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Good. I'll always be like that.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
But I think again, So okay, So here's the new headline.
It's always a discussion, there's not an allow. If it's
good for my career, we'd obviously chat about it.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
And yeah, yeah, absolutely, So the new headline will be
Dona Kays with Donna Grihama's husband wants of their sex scenes.
That's what they'll take from this. Yeah, go ahead, media,
see what you want from I.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Would like to be in a Taylor Sheridan show. So
I'm just going to put that out there for twenty
twenty five. And if we could just manifest that, it'd
be great, not all roles.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I'll dress up as a horse.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
And what I ride it?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Eh yeah, oh I almost looked staged. It was so good.
I'll dress off as a horse and you ride that.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I mean, just we should just you know, pitch that
to tailor right now. Okay, so that so hot on
here because we're talking about hard things anyways. Whoa, Okay, Yeah,
it's almost Christmas time and anything you want to speak
(05:36):
on about the holidays.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I don't want to speak on about the holidays.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, because I'm I'm having a tough time and so
I talked about this. I know you don't listen to
the other wine down, even though I was like, babe,
come on, always support give us the download. But I
was talking to Kristen and I'm having a tough time
about this year, Like I'm actually really struggling about it.
I don't want to get emotional, but because the last
uh two years ago, I was in England with you
(06:02):
for Christmas Eve, so that I didn't get sad about
Christmas Eve. I had a whole like breakdown on fricking
Jada Pinkett's Red Table Talk because I'm like, this is
the first year that I'm not gonna have my kids
on Christmas Eve. But it was really hard, and so
I'm like, all right, I'm going to England and then
I'm gonna fly home on Christmas Eve. And so you know,
this year, we have our baby, but I don't have
(06:23):
my big babies, and I don't want to miss baking
cookies the night before and leaving them out for Sannah.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
We'll both that's so big babies because I don't have
mine either.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I know, but ours are in different stages of life.
Like your big baby doesn't believe in Sannah. Okay, mine
still do, and so they don't run down the stairs
with their like you know, with the little pitter pattering
on their feet and leave out carrots for the deer.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
They don't pack up snotty test shoes that Jojuo has left.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, this is really funny on the floor we I
forgot to move Jojo one of the nights, which JoJo's
are you thank you sorry? I'm doing everything else, and
so sometimes it's very part of that.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I also forgot to move.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Them, but I forgot to move Jojo, which is the elf.
And Alan came up with the made a lie and
said Jojo had the flu, because everyone we know right
now has the flu. And so that night I left
booger tissues a trail from the bottom of the stairs
all the way into the pantry, and I left out
(07:33):
a bowl of soup chicken noodle soup with a little spoon.
And then I wrote a little note saying because that
night we wrote their Christmas wish list to Sanna the
things they wanted. As they're writing it down, by the way,
I'm like Amazon ad to cart I'm like Monster Transformer.
Where can I find this dinosaur transformer with a shield
like it's like Jason's very like specific. And then I
(07:55):
was trying to think of the things that I already
bought them. I'm like, wouldn't you want a like, I
don't know, they couldn't remember what like a remote control
car that you can do with your hands or something.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
So yeah. But then.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So I left the little sticky note and I was
just like, hey, Jolie and Jace, you know, sorry, I
have the flu, but I still love you.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I gave you know, stand of the notes.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
But anyways, this morning I was like, hey, kiddos, can
you please clean up the snot rags that Jojo left?
Speaker 1 (08:26):
And it was actually hilarious. So Jolie feeds the dog
in the morning, which she means she needs reminded of
every single morning she.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Keeps wanting a second dog, and I'm like, until you
can actually remember to feed the one dog you.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Have, So she had to feed the dog. Jace was
then asked to pick up JoJo's snotty tissues, which she
wasn't happy about. He's like, Jolie needs to do it
as well as like, Jolie's feeding the dog. When she's
finished feeding the dog, she'll come and help you. So
he nearly had a little meltdown at the pantry, which
(09:01):
he would have been getting into the different way you
would have been. But anyway, it's hilarious because he starts
to pick up each individual tissue and he's picking it
up like there's so many snots and gems on it,
and you've walken each individual one over at the bin
or the trash can you call it? Say you like
(09:21):
he actually thinks of snots? Yeah, on those tissues. He's
like scared to pick them up, so cute, and I
see to him just pick like six or seven up
at a time. Therefore you don't need to walk back
and forth to the trash can or the bin too much?
Is that no?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
No, He's like yes, yeah, so that was that.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
That's how much he believes in Santa. He still believes.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
That's what I'm saying, your big big I don't have
to would not be doing that. So that's where it's like,
this year, my big my bigs still believe in Sanna.
So I don't want to miss that magic of having
them run down the stairs. So I got any to
think of. So I might need to move Christmas again
this year, Like I don't know if because Roman doesn't know,
(10:06):
you know, Roman has no idea.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
So I don't. It doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
What he gets. You just eat it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, But like he doesn't, he doesn't register when Christmas is. So,
if it's okay with you, I think I want to
move Christmas by a day so that we can have
that memory.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
But we still celebrate Christmas and the presents for each
other on the normal Christmas day.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, you and I.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, but the kids then it comes the next day.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
If you want them to open up presents next day,
that's fine, Okay.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Absolutely figure it out.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I still, I just it just makes me really sad.
That's the one part about divorce. I just don't think
it's fair. I think the person that did the did
the deed, does not allow should not get Christmas Day,
Christmas Night, sorry, Christmas Night as punishment. I think the
person that has an affair in the marriage does not
get Christmas Eve night, okay, because they're the ones that
(10:59):
bucked up the marriage. And again, I'm very happy in
my new life. I love our life, but I don't
think it's fair that I don't have my kids because
of someone's terrible decisions.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Maybe if you get a big enough petition, you'd just
never know.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I'm taking back. I'm taking back Christmas for.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
The I should you should, But then again, I'll probably
get crap for saying that.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I just don't think it's fair anyways.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Uh So, moving on, our guest is someone that I
shared the stage with but had no idea who he was.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
The Ice King.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
The Ice King, That's how I knew him, and I
was always wondering, like who was under that mask?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
See when I looked at his mask, I thought, that
is the biggest, the size of the thing you had
on his head. The first thing was how do you
keep your balance? Not just topple over?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So, but the Ice King was a Drake Bell very
excited to get him on the show. Let's take a
break and then get him on.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Hi.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Hey, how's it going.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Good?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Good, I'm Jana, This is Alan. Cool guys, nice to
meet you too.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
So we were just talking about your costume because I
remember being so I was the Royal Night Yeah on stage,
and I remember just looking at you being like that helmet.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Or helmet, but I mean like whatever, the head piece
are so big?
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Yeah, you know, it was surprisingly super light, like it
didn't feel like I had anything on. It was all
made of such light styrot foam that it was totally fine.
I first saw it, I was like, how am I
going to move around? And with the ice cube so high?
I was like, how am I? But it's it's crazy.
It was actually how was your ear costume was? Did
you feel like you can move around and stuff?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
For yes, but it was so my my helmet thing
or whatever. The ponytail was heavy, so like this part
was fine, but it was the ponytail was super heavy.
So it just like kept like like going in the
chin strap. I did not like the chin strap. I
was like, oh I can't breathe. Yeah, I don't know,
but it was it was. I mean, I feel like
(13:30):
I had the best costume to move around in, like
I was not as like constricted in things, which.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
You know, it was a super cool costume.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I just remember looking at your costume because I was
there on most of the days of filming, and I
remember looking at your costume and thinking, whoever is in
there is doing so well not to topple over.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Yeah, yeah, it's but that's the thing. Like I did
the Mexico version of the Masked Singer, and I had
a huge head in that one. But it wasn't made
It was made out of like a thicker plastic. So
that was definitely like like this, but for some reason,
you know, the way that they made it for for this,
(14:12):
for the American version was like it was literally like
you could like toss it. It was so light.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Did you have fun doing the show?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
It was a blast.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Did you have any guesses about any of the other people?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I had absolutely no idea, no clue, no idea. They
do a really good job at keeping.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Everybody knowingly so good.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I was like, come on, just tell me who it is.
I'm like, I want to know who's in my group.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
And they're like.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Yeah, they're like noah, no, And you can't see. I
mean we're where everyone's wearing gloves. You don't know. I'm like,
are they trying to throw you off? Is that like
a is that a dude? In that help? Because we
couldn't hear I could only hear like one another person's
like only the person that was like right before me sing,
So I didn't even get to hear I couldn't even
hear people's performances or anything.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Right, I mean, I thought you were doing great. I
thought for sure. I was like going home like every time,
and then I did.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
But it's fine.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Yeah, unfortunately I made it just as far as I
did in the Mexico version.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Two Oh at at what point did you go out?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Second song?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Second song?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
But it was so good.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, it was a lot of fun. I got unmasked
on Miley Night, and it was so serendipitous because the
next morning I met this dude at the restaurant upstairs
at the hotel and had I not I've had been
at had I not been voted off, I would have
(15:36):
been at the at the mass singer performing. And I
met him, we went. He ended up working at this
legendary studio across the street from the hotel, which is
like the Beach pet Sounds and all of Van Halen's
early stuff and led Zeppelin one, two, three, four and
Elton John like it's just like prints all of his stuff,
(15:56):
super legendary studio, and so he's like, oh, come, I'll
give you a little tour, and we ended up listening
to some of the music and I ended up recording
a bunch of stuff there because I was like, dude,
I have to record at the studio. It's like the
doors record and everything you know. But it turns out
it was right where Miley wrote all of her new record,
and I was like, wait a minute, I got voted
(16:17):
off on Miley Night. And then so I'm like watching
all these cool videos of my Janis Joplin did her
last vocal there.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
And so there's a really cool video of like Miley
like singing of Janice Joplin song like on the same
mic that she sang last song she ever sang on.
And I'm getting like all this history of like how
Miley came to the studio, was like, Oh, I love
the studio. I have to record everything here. I'm like,
all right, well, then I'm recording some stuff in here.
This is awesome. So I recorded a couple of songs
from my new album. Oh yeah. And it was just
(16:45):
kind of serendipitous that I was like, oh, I get
kicked off on Miley Night, and then I have this
whole like day the next day at Flowers Studio. It
was really cool.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
It all works out, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, and you're you're in the middle of a tour
right now, Is that right right now? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
NonStop Flights the name of my new album. I just
got off. I was just in all over Mexico, And
now I'm back in the States. We're doing I'll be
in Minneapolis tonight and then or tomorrow, flying there tonight
and then Salt Lake on Saturday, and then I'll be
back here. I have two shows. I have a show
at Universal City Walk on the twenty first and a
(17:23):
show at Venice West in Venice on the twentieth, and
then I finally get like a little downtime for the holidays.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Do you fly in that do you fly on that
crazy plane that's on your Instagram?
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I wish, I wish. That's that's pretty cruel, lying on
the Lisa Marie or something.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
So okay, take me back if it's cool. So, my
my daughter, she has been she she did a movie
with me last year.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
She played my daughter in the movie. And it was
around the time I think it was. It was it
after the show came out. We watched it.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
It was either before or after. It was like around
kind of the same time. Quite on set came out,
and I'm like, you know, Mike, because I already was
trying to It's not that I don't want her to
be an actress, but it's like she wants to do
it so bad, and I'm I obviously want to give
her the opportunity, and so you know, she I made
her audition for the role, and you know, the producers
(18:29):
ended up loving her and they used her. But then
you know, I'm watching that show and as a mom,
and then from you know, knowing you were coming out,
I was doing research and you know, your your dad
was seeing signs and then things still managed to happen.
And it's like as a parent and now that you know,
(18:49):
if when you have kids or as a boy, yeah,
it's like what do you how do you is there
is there anything that you would have done differently as
a parent now if in the situation, if your kid
was in your situation.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
I think as a parent, you just have to be
absolutely vigilant and not let anybody sway you into not
being everywhere with your child the entire time. And it's
hard because it's like, you know when they're it's I
don't know how old your your daughter is.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Well, my daughter's about to be nine.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
But I'll just say this, like I already feel bad
for this because you know my daughter's like, well I
want to you know, she kind of wanted her own
independence too, or you know, when they go to the schooling,
I'm like, yeah, go, like, my mommy's got to be
on set anyways, So I just kind of let her.
And now I'm just like, well, shoot, I did. I
wasn't even I just I trusted the teacher. So now
I'm like, well I wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah no, I mean that's it's it's a tough thing
because it's easy when they're young, you know, like my son,
but when they're I want their independence. They feel like
she didn't I.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Want to eat lunch with me in my trailer. I
was like, come to lunch and mommy's trailer. She's like, no,
I want to go eat with the other boy. And
you know, the teacher.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Yeah yeah. So I mean, I don't know. I I
I'm in I mean, just because of what I've seen,
I'm in the camp of like, you know, you don't
let your kids out of sight, you know, you just
have to be around them all the time. And then
also I think that as far as getting into the business,
like I wouldn't have wanted my dad to see some
(20:30):
documentary and then that make me not be able to
do what I love to do and have the amazing
experiences that I've had and all the great memories that
I've had. But at the same time, I think that
there's other things that we need to prepare young people
for getting into the industry, even outside of what the
(20:53):
documentary talks about. Like, you know, think about how hard
it is just to get through to walk through the
halls of a high school, you know, and you are
now splashed on the cover of magazines being objectified, and
you know, I'm getting asked if I wear boxers or briefs,
and I'm like, I don't know, I'm fourteen, Like why
(21:14):
is some grown woman asking me this question? Like it's
just going to be some cute thing that they put
on the cover of a magazine that goes out everywhere,
you know, And this is you know, I'm like pre
social media. So like you go into when they had
like all those teen magazines and you go in there
and you be like, what kind of girl are you
looking for? And what use it? And you're just like,
(21:35):
I have any Like I'm just trying to kiss my
girlfriend for the first time, and like all this stuff
and even and and it goes for like men and women.
It's like they just and you're and these are your
formative years.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
I don't think that they send any of the kids
down and say, hey, so you just booked this show.
It's possibly could be a massive success. And some other
people who've been in your situation, uh here, read this article,
read this headline, see this magazine cover. Is that something
(22:10):
you're prepared for? Like, because that's gonna you know, And
and I wish that you could say, oh, well, you
know it's not you know, it's the faults of the
people they're writing, you know, these horrible story but it's like, well,
people consuming it, like that's going to exist. So but
we're thrust in at like thirteen fourteen years old of
(22:31):
like dealing with something that is hard enough for some
twenty five year old person to look at and read
about themselves. But now you're putting it on these like
you know kids. I think that's what I've seen a
lot of stuff. You know, when you're supposed to be
tripping and falling and making mistakes and learning and you know, going,
(22:53):
oh thank god they didn't have social media when I
was in high school. It's like, oh, Scar, Like, you know,
we've got these people who literally every second of their
lives is documented and seen by the public when this
is when they're supposed to be making their little mistakes.
You know. Yeah, so even outside of just what the
documentary talks about, there's a lot of stuff that goes
into you know, what's are are are you mentally prepared
(23:19):
to really go along with It's not just topping on,
you know, otherwise, maybe like let's do drama class at
school for a while and like see if you really
love acting, and see if you really this is something
you want to do instead of just like thrusting, you know,
a kid into like oh, now they're the star of
some show and now they're you know, opening up their
phones and reading things about them and they're like why
(23:42):
are they even looking.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
At me like that?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
And you know whatever.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
But yeah, so there's.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
A lot probably roughly twenty years ago when you were
or more when you were going through this. I feel
like as a parent, I think we're good at asking questions.
(24:08):
I think if Jolie's in a one to one situation
or she's got an individual coach, we would ask questions.
And that's that's not a slight on your parents. I
think that's now because things have evolved so much on
a media standpoint where people like you were exposed to
are now being ousted a little bit more and there's
more recognition that not just your guys's industry, but in
(24:33):
so many like in professional football soccer. There's so many
people like that that are now being brought out and
actually punished for it because of social media and because
people now feel like they can have a voice. So
congratulations for being one of the people who has has
stepped stepped and done it. And there's so many people
in my industry are now doing that from back when
(24:55):
they were back when they were kids. There's a big
it's a huge thing in England and it was a
whole football club for decades and decades and decades that
were exposed to this pedophile ring. And now those players
that were like eight, nine, ten years old even younger
are now coming out and say, yeah, okay, this was
the guy who did this. So this was the guy
(25:16):
who did this, and all because of social media has
exposed it. So I think the fact that it's ailed
me and there's more notoriety around it is the fact
that people can ask more questions, whereas twenty years ago
it was less held of. I think so therefore, parents
would tend to trust people more and not ask the
(25:36):
questions which they would ask.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Now, did you share your story so that you could
be the voice for other people to come forward and
share theirs as well.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
No, I think that was something that was just like
a happy ancillary effect. I think that, you know, really
it was I've had this inside for so long. I
never talked about it publicly, and I said no, no, no, no,
(26:08):
no many times to this documentary. And then finally I
kind of started wrestling with the options, and it's like, well,
if I ever do tell my story, you know what,
am I just going to say it on some like podcast,
or am I gonna eventually write a book or or
just get written in some article that nobody reads but
(26:31):
somebody picks up a weird headline. So I was like, well,
if there's going to be a point in time to
really tell the story, I mean, this is kind of
granting me the right space an opportunity to do that.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I read I read that you said that you a
lot of the reason was because of your son, and
you didn't want him to read headlines. You wanted to
be in control of Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Yeah, but not too I mean you really do you know,
becoming a parent, you realize the large like really the
reality of like what happened to you when it happened.
It's it kind of hits you a little bit heavier
of how.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Serious And I'm not okay, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
I just feel like the innocence of my son and
I'm just like the fact that somebody would have the
have that in them to take that, I don't know,
it's yeah, it has a lot more impact.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Well, I think now too, it's kind of what you were.
It's the conversations are so different. Like my mom didn't
have a conversation with me when I was a kid,
saying what's okay and what's not okay? You know, which
is now it's like hey, Jolie and to Jace too,
and I forget that I have to also tell my son.
And I don't know why that, like I just think
(27:57):
just my daughter, you know, but now we'll have to
talk to our son too and to be like this
is not okay, you know, this is by anybody mommy, daddy, stepdaddy,
like you know, and those I just yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Think too, like in in with like what you're asking about,
getting in the industry too, is like not letting your
voice be poo pooed like how it was. You know, yeah,
my dad raised a lot of questions and then people
just kind of are like, oh, you know, just this,
and then they're like, we we read and look into
(28:30):
all formal complaints. It's like that has to be written
or like nobody told us how to like make a
formal complaint. We thought that saying something to a producer
would be a formal complaint, but if it's not, like
like but it wasn't like the producer was like, hey,
I hear you. But if you want to make a
(28:51):
you you know, if you want HR or somebody to
do something about this or an investigation or anything, you
have to do a formal complaint. And here's how you
do it. Like wouldn't that be the step to take?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
You know?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
But that's it just kind of they make it to
where minimize the issue as much as possible and get
it as you know, low on the ladder, you know,
don't let it get as high up the ladder as possible.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Right is there?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Do you feel like people treat you differently now or
they'll be like, oh no.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
No, I don't think I get treated differently, but I
do have really great opportunities to you know, I travel
a lot, and so when I'm constantly at the airport
and you're thrust into people and you I have experiences
where people instead of coming up and going oh, let's
take a selfie or hey, okay, thanks love the show, like,
(29:47):
they're telling me, they're sharing with me their stories and
how they were impacted by my story and stuff like that.
So I get a lot more of that.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I feel like that's the piece that I mean that
you must be like I don't want to say this,
and I was like, proud of but like that you
you've you've helped other people.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Like that's kind I feel.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
I get what you're saying. It's it's because before the
documentary came out, you know, it was fear and stress
and and all that. And then the documentary came out
and I was kind of like locking myself at home.
I was like, I don't know, what's you know, let's
see how this turns out. And but then when I
started going out and touring and working, I was having
(30:32):
a lot of those experiences with people that were you know,
sharing their story and showing how how much of an
impact it had on them so that it felt good.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Okay, So then what Okay, I hate this question, but
I'm going to ask you acting singing? What is you know?
Twenty twenty five? Like is I know you have your
your album coming out, but is there one that you
love more than the other?
Speaker 4 (30:55):
I mean, I love making records, you know. I mean,
I love being in the studio, being in control of
when I can work and where I go and what
I do and what the music sounds like. And you know,
I mean I and it's constantly I mean other than
the travel, but you're constantly moving and going, you know.
And I don't know, on a movie set, you kind
of sit around and read a bunch of books and
(31:18):
wait to get a call to set, you know. But
I do love film and television and all of that,
but I don't think there's That's what I loved about
working on sitcom rather than doing like film or single
camera because I love the live audience, you know. I
love being able to get on stage and have a
(31:38):
live audience and music allows that allows that more.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
I read that there might be a Drake and josh
reebert Ah.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I mean, I'd love to, but I mean, so you
would sign up for it then?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Yeah? If everything, Yeah, if every you know, if it
was funny and it was clever and everybody agreed, and
I mean I'd come back.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I love that it.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Just to hear that theme tune again.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
It's so good.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah. I can remember that. It just constantly played on
Nickelodeon when I was I wasn't even young. I was
probably like nineteen Josh in nineteen, I can absolutely remember.
I wasn't watching it nineteen, but I can absolutely remember
the show and the theme tune was I Found a
Way right.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Yeah, Oh you're Scottish TV.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Where are you from?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I'm from originally from Scotland.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
So you were watching it in Scotland, all right, and
it's so cool. I saw made it all the way
to Scotland.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Absolutely, Yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
A nineteen year old at that. Yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Not Scotland gets gets the things at the rest of
the world they have TV.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I thought your parents were watching when we were in
Scotland in the summertime.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I thought it was just like Hills and Sheep.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
No, literally, when we were in Scotland in the summertime
his parents were watching. I mean, it was the oldest
movie I've ever seen. I'm like, this is what a
Scottish television team was a yeah, pretty much. What is
your We'll wrap this up, but what is your kind
of mantra? Your daily mantra that you that you live by.
(33:19):
You have one to like, stay positive, to stay on
the course?
Speaker 4 (33:23):
I wow, that's I don't really have one.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
We need one, Let's get one.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
What is it like?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
How do you how do you stay positive? How do
you stay you know?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Are you too busy? Are you too busy to even
think about it?
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
It's a very corse. That's actually perfect for what our
podcast talk was earlier. Course perfect, that's funny.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I don't have any prepared mantras.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
No, it's all good, it's all good, well, Ice King,
I mean sorry, Drake Bell.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
It was lovely to chat with you for having me.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Yeah, thank you for just being authentic and vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
And we can't wait. Okay album comes out.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
When the album came out October, So it's streaming on
all platforms right now. It's called NonStop Flight. And we've
got a couple of shows left here in the States
and then we start back up in January, so go
ahead and check on Drake Bell Instagram and Facebook and
blah blah wherever all the things, all the shows will
be posted.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Well, happy holidays and happy New Year.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
It's nice to meet you, Drake
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