January 3, 2025 • 43 mins
Do ultimatums work?? Jana and Allan explore the complexities of ultimatums in relationships by talking a certified expert: Sandy Gallagher from “The Ultimatum” on Netflix.
Sandy shares all the behind the scenes secrets of what REALLY happened between her and Nick, and she reveals if “The Ultimatum” actually works when trying to find love.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Happy New Year.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Happy New Year.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
Alan has been very busy back he built the sweetest
fire pit for Jace in the I mean pretty much,
how did that even start?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
We've been well. I did tell you a year ago
that we I don't want to bring that up. I
would do a fire pit, but the plan was to
do it in the yard at that point of the
garden at that point. And then I went a walk
a couple of weeks ago in the forest and the
with Jason. I thought, no, that's actually loads of spots
(00:45):
in here. We we could have a good fire pit.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
So it got me thinking, and it got my creative
mind thinking. And then I thought, okay, so we can
see there's one particular spot in the forest we can
see from the house. It's fairly flat.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Half of it on our land, part of it, enough
of it is. One of it is on our land.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So I just thought, do you know what, rather than
build it in the yard up and build it in
there and it's in the forest and it feels like
more like a campfire.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
It totally does.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, so it feels like a campfire. But I mean
it took me. It was spread over three days because
I couldn't get I couldn't get like a really long
period of time to do it. But I used all
the The only materials that I did not use were
the big bits of timber which I got from home
depot and the stones surround it inside it. Oh that
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everything else I got from the land.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
That.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah, it was so sweet. He was like, you know,
I'm going to do this fire you know, fire pit
for New Year's Eve was the was is to be
able to do smores out back and it was so
it was just so sweet and the kids loved it.
It was just really special. So I appreciate you doing that.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
And it's actually as it sits there now, it's actually
a good level reflection area. Well.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Yeah, and that that New Year's Eve night, we had
Lee and you know, Sarah Bryce over and their kids
and we were sitting out back and one of my
favorite things growing up was doing bonfires up north, and
so Sarah had asked me, She's like, you know, is
it what is your you know what is she It
(02:26):
was like earth wind fire? What was that? Wind? Or
earth wind fire? Water? And she said, which one do
you connect with most? Most and I said, you know,
for me, it's always water and fire, because like anytime
i'm ever buy water and I'm by fire, my like
blood pressure, my whole everything, just like I'm at peace.
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And when I stare at a fire, it's the most
relaxing thing to me. And so even last night when
I got back from vision boarding at Pam's with the girls,
you know, you and Jas were up there and just
sitting up there for five minutes was so relaxing. And
then when I went in to go, you know, put
Jas to bed. Just kind of seeing you out there too,
(03:08):
sitting by yourself. I wasn't like, oh, he's by himself.
I was like, Oh, this is he's having a peaceful moment. M.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, that's really it's a really reflective area because you're
surrounded by the trees, surrounded by all the nice stone.
You'll feel safe because you can see the house. Yeah,
it's not too far from the house. When you're in
the forest. No, you're not sharing the forest with the
bales or the bobcats.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
So I don't know if we have we have bears
up north, Yeah, we have Gamberg.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
We have bobcats.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
We have bobcats, But would they hurt us by the fire.
I have no clue how that works unless you've.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Got a fish sitting beside you. A fish. Cats love fish,
doesn't they bombcats? Really? I didn't know that a favorite
meal of fish?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Really, I think?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
So, are you sure cats love fish?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Ye?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Well, British cat British cats love fish, American ones.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I've never heard that before.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I think if you put a piece of meat down
and a piece of fish, then a cat will go
for a piece of fish.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Really yeah, huh.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Google it. But anyway, I finally got it complete and
it's it's functioning. It's pretty basic right now.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
It's so great, but it's you don't need it to
be anything. The only thing I would add in the
summertime is like little teaky torches m first for mosquitos
and stuff. But besides that, I'm like, it's great.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Well, we need to get some new chairs because we've
got the football sports chairs.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yeah that's fine, but those are comfy, those are cozy.
But it's a new year, very exciting. Uh. I've already
managed to mess up my knee in the news. So
I'm about to go film a movie in four days
and I'm just like, why why like my back still,
Like I'm like why, And then I said, so I
(05:04):
said to Ali yesterday, I'm like, is this a bad
sign for the new year? Is this how my new
year is going to be hurt and injured? I'm going
to be limping on set. I supposed to have a
call with the director of the movie I'm doing today.
And the very first scene that I'm filming is she
kneels down and starts crying. I can't kneel down.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
You will be able to? I will.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I can't bend in a squat? How am I like?
And I can't get on the phone with this director
that I don't even know, like she'll like I know
her work or whatever, but like we've never met before.
And the first thing I say is like, I'm hurt.
I can't do that.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I'm going to go.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Down and like shoot the duck position, and like in skating,
it's only I'm going to be able to get down
and just on my one my one knee. I can't
bend my knee.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
How many days from now have you got for filming?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I film on Monday. I leave Sunday, so I've got
four days.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
He says. Monday was a fetting day, No I film.
It's a half day day and Monday. That's yeah, you'll
be fine. We'll get the inflammation out and you'll be able.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
To I'm pretty sure I toured the position, so that's that.
I'm very I'm very excited to start the new year
off with the movie. But now I'm just like.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
You will be fine. You will be fine. Believe me
that the inflammation and the swelling will be sposed, but
by Monday, you'll be fine.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
The best is that, even though my husband is a
was a former professional soccer player, football player and has
been around all these pets in his entire life, yesterday
when it happened, I'm putting ice on my knee and
then he's putting heat on. But I still need to
google everything, so I'm, you know, googling, and I'm like, honey,
(06:46):
Google says that you actually shouldn't put heat on right away,
and then you got mad at me because I'm means
like listening to the Google.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
General inflammation from Google and it was the basis decision.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah and yeah, anyways, but good times, I'm.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Sure someone will come on and call me out and
see that I'm wrong, and all those will come out
and hold me out and see that I'm right.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
What are you most excited for this year? Because we
were talking last night when you were in the bath,
I said, I'm kind of I'm not struggling, but I'm
just last year I was able to go, oh, this year,
we're getting married, We're going to Italy. You know, we
have our honeymoon.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I had your walts, well, you have nothing to look.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
For, no, but I didn't mean I mean, I didn't
mean it in so this is like I just like
I had so much to look forward to last year,
and like I know I have a lot to work for, like,
but like I like to have something planned, Like I
like to know, okay, we are going here, Like it's
something to just look forward to, because if it's not,
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it's every day is like the grind and work and
you know, survive and kids and all that is beautiful
and love and I'm so happy to be alive and
you know, limping and healthy.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
But like you know, it's I like to have something
to look forward to. It's just something that helps me
motivated to do everything else that I'm doing around it,
if that makes sense, Like having the wedding and the
honeymoon to look forward to last year helped to motivate
me pre and after. You know that makes sense, Yeah,
(08:26):
it does.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
So we need to plan a couple of vacations, all
of these.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I just need one or just something like it could
be a family trip, it could be.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
You look it up past a couple of years ago.
We travel numerous times a year.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
We took our first vacation last year together in February. Yeah,
our first vacation we ever.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Took constantly taking many ones.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
No, we're not it's work. You see what I'm saying.
Like the wedding and honeymoon was not work. It was
beautiful and relaxation and something to look forward to.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Okay, so let's book something. What are you, little wife,
come for our new year? Thinking I had nothing to
look forward to?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
What are you looking forward to? Well?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Am I looking forward to? Well, it's a thing. I'm
looking forward to a professional thing because I'm going to look.
I'm going to open my own facility, at our own
facility this year, the first and the facility aim towards
purely goal scoring. Everything that's aimed towards being a better goalscorer.
(09:37):
There's nothing like it. And I don't think it's even
ending like it in the world that does it too,
that'll do it to this kind of detail and professionalism.
So that's exciting.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I'm excited for you.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
That's exciting. So that'll be a and that'll be good
because it will almost be like a legacy type piece
as well, something to look forward to they can build
and enfranchising. So that's that was a big part of
the growing our marriage and not showing our marriage.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
That's just the obvious.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yes, it's still a high priority. A lot of people
just take it for There's loads of things training Troy,
like watching the kids grow. I'm excited for sports season
coming back as well. Yeah, mh this Roman will be
one and a half so you can one play, you
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can join a team.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Oh my god, all he's eating rocks. Yes, new. We
had a show that we watched last year that I
was actually very surprised. Alan wanted to sit down and
watch it with me. But we kind of needed a
filler show. Well, we were out of our other shows.
(10:54):
It was called the Ultimatum.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Do we just finished Yellows though we had just.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Finished Allstone, that's right, and we needed something totally different,
so we started watching Ultimatum, and we have Sandy coming
on Today's Adult Education and she was the one that
came on the show with Nick, and you know, Nick
gave her an ultimatum, have you No, you haven't. I
(11:21):
feel like, even the premise of the show, if you
have to give someone an ultimatum to be with you,
then that should be your biggest.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Signs trouble in power.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Yeah, but I feel like it could also be something
where for the guy, like if a girl has has
anyone ever given you an ultimatum? Kind of? Maybe? Kind
of and like what did you do with that? Well,
obviously it didn't work. I'm here, But but I feel
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like if that person gave you an ultimatum and you,
you know, realized, oh crap, okay, I got to get
my stuff together, then that could be the opportunity for
you then to go, I don't want to lose this person,
which you know on the show, some people ended up
leaving with their people because they realized, wait, I don't
want to I don't want to not be with them.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Yeah, I can be a positive, defining moment.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Yeah. So I'm just very intrigued by the concept and
the show. And Sandy was a fan favorite. So she
is here, let's get her on.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Hey girl, Hey, yeah, how are you?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Happy New Year?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Happy New Year?
Speaker 4 (12:54):
So nice to meet you. I'm Jana. This is my
husband Alan.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Nice to meet you.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I know who you are. I'm a big fan.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Ah, thanks Carol. I mean we're ye're fans of yours too,
because we watched Ultimatum.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I know, so crazy. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Why are you sorry?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Because it's just like it was the craziest thing and
I'm like, oh my god. The fact that people are
watching this like over the holidays with their families, like
just watching my love life just completely explode.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I'm like, happy holidays, You're like enjoying my misery.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Felicea Navidad.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Literally I'm like, Merry Christmas. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Did you watch it back?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:39):
You did?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Okay, Yeah for sure, I mean how could I not,
you know?
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
We actually, I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
We watched it the night before the reunion, like a
month ago before it came out. So I watched the
whole thing and literally one day and I was just like,
oh my, then you go straight into the reunion. So
that was really crazy. But yeah, I watched it back
like with my friends and family and stuff and just
I just had fun during it, but it also was
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just it's.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
It's really weird and hard to watch back. Of course, what.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Was the hardest moment to watch back for you?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
There's a lot of different moments honestly, but I think just.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
The stuff with Nick, you know, like that's there's so
much more to our story and just the relationship. So
I think it was really hard to kind of watch
how it played out on TV and I'm just like,
that's not exactly how it happened, you know, and it's
(14:38):
just a really like sensitive thing because it's my real relationship. Yeah,
you know, I think especially the night that he comes
the apartment, which was kind of like the big like
tipping point, that was a really hard night for me,
like just what actually happened and seeing the way that
it played out was just like okay, but yeah, I
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mean honestly, a lot of it was hard to watch back.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I'm not Gallae.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Yeah, well, I feel like the editing of things is
always the tricky piece because you, like you just said,
like there's so much more to the story. Is there
was there one thing in editing that you were like, okay,
like that's just not fair.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, I mean kind of the night that he comes
to the apartment, honestly, because it was just like the
way that it looks is that he calls me once
and I'm like just hang up on him. Like that
was after he had been calling me like excessively, like
to the point where it's like I don't care if
you're my boyfriend, if you're my friend, if you're a stranger.
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Like it was really inappropriate and just crossed so many boundaries,
and it was more than just calling and texting, you know,
it's like the overall communication and behaviors. And yeah, I
mean I had sat on the phone with him for
hours that night, talking to him, trying to calm him down.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
And I think what people don't understand.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Before the door, yeah, yeah, before okay, yeah, And I
had been doing that for days and weeks at that point, like,
you know, because that was towards the end of my
trial marriage with JR.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So it just kind of got worse and worse and worse.
And it was really late at night. It was like
one o'clock in the morning. We had my family meeting
the next morning at like seven am, and I was like,
I need to go to bed, like you're not respecting,
you know, my boundaries in myself. And he was actually
(16:39):
with my mom and my best friend before that.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
And he was wasted, like wasted. So it's like anyone
that you know, if your if your boyfriend or girlfriend
even is like wasted, they're not in the right headspace
to talk to you, and it's just it's not going
to be beneficial.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
So, yeah, he had told me that he was gonna
come to the apartment, and I was like, no, you're not.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
You're not coming to this apartment. First of all, we're
not allowed to.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
See each other there. They have like very strict rules,
so that was a big thing.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And also JR lives there, and so JR was pissed,
and that's what you see, just him.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Coming to the door, and Jar immediately was like, I'm
getting the door. You're staying back because now I'm pissed
off right now, And so he kind of was getting
protective and went to like talk to Nick and they.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Just nothing really happened.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
They just kind of went at it, and then you know,
Nick left and continued to again call and just bombard me,
and so then I blocked him at that point because
I was like, you're not respecting me, I have to
I have to literally block you in order for like
this to stop, you know. And other stuff happened that
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night honestly, which don't really need to get it too,
but there was just a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
That were going on off camera, and it was it
was honestly a hard night for me.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And so then seeing the way that that played out,
I was just like, oh, Okay, that's.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Not at all what happened.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
But yeah, and you know, and I got obviously a
lot of backlash for that because the way that it looks,
of course, is like how could you just let somebody
that you have been you know, you've loved for a while,
Like how could you let them cry like that? And yeah,
(18:35):
I mean I think also looking back though, in that moment,
I didn't realize how much he really needed me and
like what was really going on, because again I was
just like so in my own experience and I was
so put off by you know, his communication and behaviors,
and it's like a cyclical pattern with him, so I
know what's coming, so I just know to kind of
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shut off.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
But I do think in that moment it was a
unique that you give in.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
The circumstances and I honestly should have just been.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
In there for him and just like drawn everything, but.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Also like not too. They're like, I feel like one
of the things that I I stock up for you, like,
you know, because I was like, we didn't know you
guys and were watching and we all form our opinions
as viewers. But one of the things I would say
to my husband, I'm like, I respect the fact that
you were actually trying to do the process, you know
what I mean, Like, and that's something where it must
have been so hard, but at least you were, you
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were trying to do what the whole show was about,
instead of leaving, instead of doing that. It's like you
were you were actively trying to participate. And that's one
thing that I was like, at least she's trying, you know,
and actually doing the experiment and yeah, and that that part,
I was like, that's where I started to get because
at first I was more team Nick, you know, in
the very beginning, and then I then I went more
(19:51):
team Sandy because I'm like, he's not allowing he's not
giving her the space, and I'm like, honestly, dude, you're
pushing her farther away, like this is again just viewers
like talking to the TV. But I've like if I
was you, I was like, I'm annoyed now, Like I
would be like screw this, like respect and you brought
me here.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Well, the part I couldn't get was that everyone knows
the rules and he has to respect the fact that
you're in a trial marriage with someone else. His person
has left, which was unfortunate for him. But then did
he have to stay in the apartment? Could he have
went to a bar or a restaurant, or could he
have went anywhere on his own or did he have
to stay in the apartment And he's his own misery.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I mean, he would have to like live there, but
he can go do you know?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Whatever he did, he would go out and golf and
do different activities, get it out too. But like he yeah,
he didn't have to stay in the apartment. Him and
Mariah had the option of like pairing up and doing
a trial marriage with each other, and honestly, they probably
should have because it's they would have gotten I think
(20:54):
a little bit more out of the experience. But he
was really really closed off to everything. And that's what
that was like where my frustration was coming from and
like you wanted to do this. He was so gung
ho about it and so nonchalant, like very unbothered, very unseerious,
joking about it. And then it was like once we
(21:16):
got there and he kind of realized he wasn't really
connecting with any of the girls and wasn't really having
like the experience that he thought he was going to have,
it was like all of a sudden, everything goes out
the window and he wanted me to just like stop
my experience as well, and exactly what you said, like,
(21:36):
I was really just trying to give it my all,
like both with JR.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
And with Nick, and.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
You know, there are a lot of there's like structures,
there's a structure to it, there's rules, and I was
honestly following the rules. A lot of people weren't, and
I think it was like didn't really work in my favor,
I guess following the rules so like strictly and like
really trying to like not you know, communicate so much.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
With Nick and just like be there with JR. And whatever.
But yeah, that was something that I.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Just couldn't understand because I was like, we're here, you know,
people left, So if you want to leave, you know,
maybe we should have. But it's like, then what's gonna happen?
What was the point of coming here and doing this?
And you know, I was trying to give him that
reassurance while I was in the trial marriage with JR.
Like I was really communicating with him and like trying
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to make sure that he knew, look like I'm in this,
I'm doing a trial marriage.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Just like what we signed up for.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Nothing is like happening. It's just we're we're you know,
we're going through the steps and through the process. And
he wasn't like he wasn't accepting the reassurance that I
was giving him in the communication. And then it just
got really really out of control, honestly, and it was
to the point where I was like, Okay, this is
actually just disrespectful the way that you're communicating to me
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and the position that you're putting me in as well.
I felt like I was being pulled in like seventeen
different directions, and I was just putting myself last because
I was trying to show.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Up for everybody else.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
And I think that's where, you know, I just kind
of like I just kind of like grumbled, Yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
It was a really weird experience.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Do you think that you guys would still be together
if you hadn't went on the show?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
We probably would have stayed together much longer, But I
do think that we still would have gotten to the
same answer. And I think that's with the whole experience.
It just expedites everything, Like that's kind.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Of the point of it. It's like, go through this process.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
If you guys can survive this and you're good, like
get engaged, get married, if not break up, like don't
do it in between things where you stay together. And
I think, naturally, like that's what we want to do
because we're like, Okay, well we're not ready to get engaged,
but we're also not ready to fully break up. Especially
going through that process, it kind of breaks you and
(24:12):
then like rebuilds you. So obviously the first half of
it was like so just destructive for my relationship, and
then the second half, which we don't really get to see,
Nick and I worked through a lot of stuff and
we actually got really close and you're in a really
good spot still though, Like to me, I just kind
of knew in my gut, like it wasn't enough, and
(24:34):
after seeing what had really unfolded like through the first
half of it's it does it gives you kind of
a preview into like maybe what life would be like
if we're in a marriage. Real shit happens, Like it
gets much harder when there's marriage and kids involved, you know,
And I'm like, if this is how you're reacting to
(24:56):
something that we really knew what we were like signing
up for, and you know in your head it's like
this is not it's not real life. We're in this
controlled experience. This would never happen outside of here, and
you're crashing out that hard where it's like actually seriously
like destructive? What could happen when you know there's kids involved?
(25:21):
And it's like, so I do think that we would
have broken up, It just probably would have taken us longer.
So I am grateful for, you know, the fact that
it was like, Okay, maybe we've saved ourselves another two
three years of going through the relationship.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I think the show, as much as there's so much
craziness going on and so many different dynamics, I think
the one thing for me that the show made really
clear was you could see and the videals that were
prepared to lose the other person, and you could see
the individuals that were prepared not to lose the other person.
I mean, I look at you and Nick, Sandy, you
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could see that there was a part of you it
was prepared to lose him and it was all the
best thing for you is you could see his panic
and insecurity kicking in when he felt he was going
to lose you, and then all of a sudden, I
can't lose this person. Who see that dynamic of that's
not going to work because she she could live without him,
but he can't live without her. Yeah, you could, and
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that was that was true for I think a few
other people as well. So as much as the show
had all this madness going on, you could really clearly
see Okay, yes, she's prepared to lose him, or he's
not prepared to lose herr Or vice versa. Yeah, it
was interesting to see that that kind of dynamic as well.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Do you hate the fact that everyone thinks use up
with jar.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, it's actually like there's nothing worse when you're like
I actually didn't sleep with her, right, I'm like Jesus Christ,
Like I know I'm like, it's really it sucks, you know,
like as the girl, I think for maybe guys, it's
like not that big of a deal. But it's just like, okay,
people trying to tell me what happened everything, and it does.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
It is unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I understand how it looks, so I don't blame people
for thinking it's the editing.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I was like, Okay, there's no way they didn't.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
But then I'm like, well, no, no, you know, not
even close, like actually not even close.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
So and that's the thing that's like really frustrating, and
it's kind of something that I guess I'm learning how
to navigate, like being there's there's the TV side of
things and then there's the actual like truth. And with
me and JR, like you know, we did have a
really flirty banter. We were having fun through the process,
Like we that's why we kind of clicked because we're like, Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Let's have some fun.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
It doesn't have to be so like somber and you know,
but we did have a lot of really really in depth,
serious converse stations like that was like ninety five percent
of our dynamic. And but we we were flirty and
and you know, touchy feely and whatever, but it was
never like really sexual in terms of our physical dynamic.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I think it was like we would talk about stuff,
and it was like we were joking about a lot
of certain things. But yeah, it just was never actually
like really sexual between him and I. And so it
is something that's that's weird for me to see because
it was it was so sexualized on TV, you know,
and people are obviously making assumptions and they have their opinions, and.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
It's like that's what you know, you kind of put
yourself in going on on TV. But yeah, you know,
it does feel a little bit like exhausting trying to
like explain what actually happened to people because it's like
people are just gonna have their opinions.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
What do you do with with the comments? I mean,
how how have they how have they been post show?
And then you know what because this is I is
this the first time you've been on a like reality show?
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yeah, So it's like how how has the comments good
or bad affected you?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
You know, I'm not one to like really get but
her about certain comments like trolls and stuff because I'm
just like, it doesn't really, it doesn't really affect me.
I know what happened, I know the truth. I know
who I am. I'm very like confident within myself and
anybody that knows me knows who I am.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
They know my heart, they know my soul. Like I
am obviously way more than what you know what we're
just seeing on TV. And I get it. It's a
TV show, like they it needs.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
To be entertaining, So I would say, most of the
comments don't bother me. I think it's just it is
just an interesting It's a new thing for me, right, Like,
I've never had so many people having judgments, especially into
my relationship. I think that's the part that is frustrating,
because there's so much that people don't know that I
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have really kind of kept quiet on.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
And it's like, you know, it looks just like I
don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
You know, it looks like I'm super like insensitive, and
it's quite literally the opposite. I've just been like beyond
exhausted with how much I've put into it.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
But I will say like I've.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Gotten a lot of love and a lot of positivity,
and it is really cool to see a lot of
women like just relating to me and reaching out to
me and really seeing like themselves in my relationship and
my story. And I think especially now that everything's out,
the reunions out, even after like the last podcast.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
I did, because you did a pod you did Nick
with Nick.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, so we did the Biophiles together, So that was
kind of the last thing that that's come out, and
so you know, we we got into a little bit
of kind of what was going on and the reality
of things.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
But I definitely would say like.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Just the overall vibe has kind of lightened and shifted
since now it's like more of the truth is coming
out and people can understand just more.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
They just have more context to like what was going on.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Is it hard because now because on the reunion Nick
said that he's in a relationship now, So I mean, obviously,
you know, you always always have love for that person,
But I mean, is it has it been hard for
you or you you know, have you started dating someone
or so.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
It's not hard for me that Nick is in a relationship.
I actually would prefer him to be in a relationship
because I think even through the last year of us
being broken up, like he has still leaned on me
as if i'm you know, his partner. And it's difficult
because I never want to deny somebody like love and support,
(31:56):
especially when I do care about them and love them.
But again, it's like really trying to respect my own boundaries.
And so I'm actually very happy that he's in a
relationship and I'm not in a relationship. I haven't actually
really been dating that much, Like I think this whole
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process has just been a lot, and especially just my
ties to Nick and like really trying to separate everything.
And I think now that the show was completely done
and it's like, you know, the ties can fully be cut.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
But yeah, no, I haven't really been dating.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
I'll actually remember what we were watching it. I was
like sand it's just like she'd be like the girls girl,
Like I want her in the girl group because I'm like,
you just know that, like she'd have your back. Yeah,
that's the thing, Like I can tell you know what
I mean, I love it. You always need that friend.
Or just like we were like there's a body bag
that's needing help, you know, build, like she's gonna help
carry it, you know, Like I like her.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, No, I I really am like I'll do anything
for my girlfriends.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I will go to bad for them.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
It's funny because it's like I can take a lot
of heat myself, but if someone says something about my family,
my sister, my friends, like that's when I know I'll
lose it.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
What is the biggest thing you've learned about yourself doing
the show?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Oh, gosh, I mean a lot.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
It's definitely interesting having you know, literally a mirror of
yourself in a way like on TV. And it's definitely
like allowed me to really look at certain things that
maybe I wouldn't see.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
You know. I do think that.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I think for me, like kind of leading with my
vulnerability or my emotions is not something that is like
it's not my first instinct, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I do kind of like keep.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
This harder shell up and I really try and keep
it all together.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
And it's actually interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Watching it because I'm like, wow, Like I could see
in moments where I I was literally crumbling and hurting
so much and I was trying so hard to like
keep a straight face, keep it together, hold back tears,
and I just was like, I really think that it
would have actually been a lot better had I just
been really like vulnerable and real about like how I
(34:16):
was feeling.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
And I kind of allowed myself to do that the
second half of it. But yeah, I think just like.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
You know, knowing that it's okay to like actually be
vulnerable lead with my heart and I don't have to
always like keep it together and make sure that it's
you know, make sure everyone else is comfortable, and then
in return, I'm making myself uncomfortable. I think that was
something that I was really trying to do throughout the process,
(34:43):
especially with JR. Like, you know, living with living with
somebody for three weeks, it's a super long time.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
It is way too long.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Yeah, like one or like one and a half week,
it's like three weeks. I'm like, that has a really
long time.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
It was way too long, and it's an extremely uncomfortable situation.
And then on top of it, there's cameras around everywhere,
you're micd up, and I think for me, something that
I do, I just always want to like make sure
that you know, it's like a comfortable environment, you know.
And so I think there were certain things.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
That maybe I didn't really.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Say or stand up to that actually made me uncomfortable
or you know that I wasn't really okay with because
I wanted.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
To keep the peace.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I didn't want to get in any like arguments or anything,
you know, because it's like I wanted to protect my
living situation.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
I was. We had to do it for three weeks.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
So I think, just like something I've also realized is,
you know, it doesn't always have to be like the
most comfortable environment if it's not true to myself and
just being like I don't know, just just honoring myself
enough to actually like say what I'm feeling in those moments,
(36:00):
even if it makes the other person uncomfortable or upset.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
A little bit.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yeah, we were just talking about that, Yeah, honoring yourself.
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Is there anyone on the show and you don't need
sounds to this that you really grew with thisslike over
the weeks of the periods, Alan.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
That's a funny question.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
No, we didn't really get to interact with the other castmates,
so it was really we were very secluded with our
trial marriage and then with you know, then you go
back with when I went back with Nick, so we
didn't really even get to know the other castmates. I
think it's a unique thing other shows. Everyone's really close,
So I didn't really start talking to the castmates until
(36:43):
honestly after the reunion.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
There was one guy in the show that I thought
he was really calculated and nasty.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Teking about Scotti. Yeah, I know, I it sucks. I
think Scotty is.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I mean, I don't know him in a relationship setting, obviously,
and I think people can be different in relationships.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
But he's such a nice guy. He really truly is.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
And I feel bad because it's like I think, just
you know, kind of his worst moments are only shown,
but he Yeah, he's he's a really really sweet guy.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
But I do think that like there was a lot of.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Issues in the relationship and maybe just things for him
to look at within himself. That again, like you don't
really know until you're actually seeing it on TV and
you're like, whoa, OK. It just gives you a different perspective.
But yeah, I know, Scott, He's he's really nice.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I swear.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
I feel like there was a few anger pieces that
came out that I was a little a.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Little and that's my judgment based off the air, Yeah,
and not personally him, but he just came across as
really like he could snaff it anything.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's good to again, there's always
two sides editing. That's why I think that's why we
watched these shows. And it's like we're all human and
you know, it's like if we had a camera in
our face, you know, gosh.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
I think it's something in a note with that, and
it's like people don't maybe understand. But so the show
is we film for two months, two full months of
filming every single day, like maybe ten hours a day,
and you know, it's condensed into nine episodes because of
the reunion is you know, the tenth episode, and so
(38:26):
it's like nine hours and then split between twelve people.
So obviously, I mean that's just how TV works. Of course,
you can only show certain.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Bits and pieces, but like.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Most of everything is not shown, which I think it was.
That was probably one of the weirdest things watching it back,
just knowing everything that we went through, everything that we
were talking about, and then just seeing it so like
you're like, oh wow, okay, there's like they show one sentence,
so you know, and they could be showing only the
(38:59):
bad things or only the good things. It just depends
kind of on what I guess the storyline is, but yeah,
it's that was a really interesting thing because I was like,
do we need to do this for two months?
Speaker 2 (39:12):
You guys, like really?
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Because it was it was a lot okay, And I'm like,
we've done this whole thing in three weeks.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
That is a long I just.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Love how they only let you see the whole thing
the night before the reunion.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Yeah, that's why I never want to do reality. Every
time we ever get approached, I'm always like I would
have to be a producer so that I can edit
the crap process because if not, they're going to edit
you how they want you to be perceived.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, exactly. I know.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
It was really weird watching it back the night before
the reunion and then you just go right and stay union.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
You don't even have time to process what you just watch,
Like you really don't.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
It took me like a full week to really process everything.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
And then I was like, oh.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Okay, wow, So I think that's why, like at the
reunion people are like why.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Aren't they addressing are in things?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
It's like you don't even know what you just watched,
you know, And then it's like then you get time
to actually process it and watch and then you're like,
oh wow, Okay, this is actually something that maybe I
should have addressed or what.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
You know. It's like it's just such an interesting experience.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Okay, well what is next for Sandy? What is what
are you doing?
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah, so I'm actually launching a bikini line, a s
one more line.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
This year, so I'm super excited. I've been working for
a while Sandy Gal.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
So yeah, my name is Sandy Gallagher and I've always
kind of like, you know, Sandy Gal has always been
like my Instagram name whatever, but it just makes sense.
I'm you know, I grew up in southern California. I'm
always in a bikini.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Can you do high.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Wasted for a mama? A three?
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yes, of course, you don't even need high waisted talking
about we love the high wasted look, but like, no,
your body is rocking.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
But it's kind of a you know, my the concept
in the vision. I don't want to like say too much,
but it's kind of a a balance I guess of
you know, being really sexy and confident in.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Your own body.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I'm very much about like women empowerment and just being
confident and also into kind of the spiritual realm of
you know, I'm really into crystals and manifestation and just
really channeling like your inner goddess.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
So that but that's kind of yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Okay, Sandy gal Oh, I'm excited. Got some new bikinis
for summer.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Here we go, Yes.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
With love, Well, thank you for coming on, Appreciate you
and yeah, always nice to hear, you know from the
source itself. That's what I know.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Oh, I'm glad you guys watched it and enjoyed, I hope.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Yeah, But it's also people's lives. It's not it's not
you know, scripted. This is you know, people's real lives.
And I think people need to remember that things are
edited and if and remember how we would be if
we had a camera every single day for two months,
how our life would be edited down. So it's a
good thing to think about for the new year, you know,
like who do you want to be in the you know,
(42:25):
in your in your reality show if all your pieces
were cut down to you know, right episodes.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
So it's very true, it's very true. Definitely been you know,
an interesting mirror.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
But actually, like I am really grateful for it because
it's there's been a lot of lessons through it.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
A lot of lessons, a lot of.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Blessings, and personally for me, like I'm just always genuinely
trying to like better myself as a human and so
there have been things that have been good for me
to see and it's like, okay, cool, moving forward. I know,
you know, I need to do certain things or not
do certain things. So that's been nice, and yeah, you know,
(43:07):
I'm just grateful for the experience.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Overall.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
It's definitely hasn't been easy, but that's how you know,
that's how we grow and we evolve, so exactly.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Well, thank you Sandy, great connecting and look forward to
Sandy Gal.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Thank you, nice to meet you guys.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
Happy New Year YouTube, Bye bye bye
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Happy New Year.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Happy New Year.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
Alan has been very busy back he built the sweetest
fire pit for Jace in the I mean pretty much,
how did that even start?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
We've been well. I did tell you a year ago
that we I don't want to bring that up. I
would do a fire pit, but the plan was to
do it in the yard at that point of the
garden at that point. And then I went a walk
a couple of weeks ago in the forest and the
with Jason. I thought, no, that's actually loads of spots
(00:45):
in here. We we could have a good fire pit.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
So it got me thinking, and it got my creative
mind thinking. And then I thought, okay, so we can
see there's one particular spot in the forest we can
see from the house. It's fairly flat.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Half of it on our land, part of it, enough
of it is. One of it is on our land.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So I just thought, do you know what, rather than
build it in the yard up and build it in
there and it's in the forest and it feels like
more like a campfire.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
It totally does.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, so it feels like a campfire. But I mean
it took me. It was spread over three days because
I couldn't get I couldn't get like a really long
period of time to do it. But I used all
the The only materials that I did not use were
the big bits of timber which I got from home
depot and the stones surround it inside it. Oh that
(01:38):
everything else I got from the land.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
That.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah, it was so sweet. He was like, you know,
I'm going to do this fire you know, fire pit
for New Year's Eve was the was is to be
able to do smores out back and it was so
it was just so sweet and the kids loved it.
It was just really special. So I appreciate you doing that.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
And it's actually as it sits there now, it's actually
a good level reflection area. Well.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Yeah, and that that New Year's Eve night, we had
Lee and you know, Sarah Bryce over and their kids
and we were sitting out back and one of my
favorite things growing up was doing bonfires up north, and
so Sarah had asked me, She's like, you know, is
it what is your you know what is she It
(02:26):
was like earth wind fire? What was that? Wind? Or
earth wind fire? Water? And she said, which one do
you connect with most? Most and I said, you know,
for me, it's always water and fire, because like anytime
i'm ever buy water and I'm by fire, my like
blood pressure, my whole everything, just like I'm at peace.
(02:47):
And when I stare at a fire, it's the most
relaxing thing to me. And so even last night when
I got back from vision boarding at Pam's with the girls,
you know, you and Jas were up there and just
sitting up there for five minutes was so relaxing. And
then when I went in to go, you know, put
Jas to bed. Just kind of seeing you out there too,
(03:08):
sitting by yourself. I wasn't like, oh, he's by himself.
I was like, Oh, this is he's having a peaceful moment. M.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, that's really it's a really reflective area because you're
surrounded by the trees, surrounded by all the nice stone.
You'll feel safe because you can see the house. Yeah,
it's not too far from the house. When you're in
the forest. No, you're not sharing the forest with the
bales or the bobcats.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
So I don't know if we have we have bears
up north, Yeah, we have Gamberg.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
We have bobcats.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
We have bobcats, But would they hurt us by the fire.
I have no clue how that works unless you've.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Got a fish sitting beside you. A fish. Cats love fish,
doesn't they bombcats? Really? I didn't know that a favorite
meal of fish?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Really, I think?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
So, are you sure cats love fish?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Ye?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Well, British cat British cats love fish, American ones.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I've never heard that before.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I think if you put a piece of meat down
and a piece of fish, then a cat will go
for a piece of fish.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Really yeah, huh.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Google it. But anyway, I finally got it complete and
it's it's functioning. It's pretty basic right now.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
It's so great, but it's you don't need it to
be anything. The only thing I would add in the
summertime is like little teaky torches m first for mosquitos
and stuff. But besides that, I'm like, it's great.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Well, we need to get some new chairs because we've
got the football sports chairs.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yeah that's fine, but those are comfy, those are cozy.
But it's a new year, very exciting. Uh. I've already
managed to mess up my knee in the news. So
I'm about to go film a movie in four days
and I'm just like, why why like my back still,
Like I'm like why, And then I said, so I
(05:04):
said to Ali yesterday, I'm like, is this a bad
sign for the new year? Is this how my new
year is going to be hurt and injured? I'm going
to be limping on set. I supposed to have a
call with the director of the movie I'm doing today.
And the very first scene that I'm filming is she
kneels down and starts crying. I can't kneel down.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
You will be able to? I will.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I can't bend in a squat? How am I like?
And I can't get on the phone with this director
that I don't even know, like she'll like I know
her work or whatever, but like we've never met before.
And the first thing I say is like, I'm hurt.
I can't do that.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I'm going to go.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Down and like shoot the duck position, and like in skating,
it's only I'm going to be able to get down
and just on my one my one knee. I can't
bend my knee.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
How many days from now have you got for filming?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I film on Monday. I leave Sunday, so I've got
four days.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
He says. Monday was a fetting day, No I film.
It's a half day day and Monday. That's yeah, you'll
be fine. We'll get the inflammation out and you'll be able.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
To I'm pretty sure I toured the position, so that's that.
I'm very I'm very excited to start the new year
off with the movie. But now I'm just like.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
You will be fine. You will be fine. Believe me
that the inflammation and the swelling will be sposed, but
by Monday, you'll be fine.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
The best is that, even though my husband is a
was a former professional soccer player, football player and has
been around all these pets in his entire life, yesterday
when it happened, I'm putting ice on my knee and
then he's putting heat on. But I still need to
google everything, so I'm, you know, googling, and I'm like, honey,
(06:46):
Google says that you actually shouldn't put heat on right away,
and then you got mad at me because I'm means
like listening to the Google.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
General inflammation from Google and it was the basis decision.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah and yeah, anyways, but good times, I'm.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Sure someone will come on and call me out and
see that I'm wrong, and all those will come out
and hold me out and see that I'm right.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
What are you most excited for this year? Because we
were talking last night when you were in the bath,
I said, I'm kind of I'm not struggling, but I'm
just last year I was able to go, oh, this year,
we're getting married, We're going to Italy. You know, we
have our honeymoon.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I had your walts, well, you have nothing to look.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
For, no, but I didn't mean I mean, I didn't
mean it in so this is like I just like
I had so much to look forward to last year,
and like I know I have a lot to work for, like,
but like I like to have something planned, Like I
like to know, okay, we are going here, Like it's
something to just look forward to, because if it's not,
(07:53):
it's every day is like the grind and work and
you know, survive and kids and all that is beautiful
and love and I'm so happy to be alive and
you know, limping and healthy.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
But like you know, it's I like to have something
to look forward to. It's just something that helps me
motivated to do everything else that I'm doing around it,
if that makes sense, Like having the wedding and the
honeymoon to look forward to last year helped to motivate
me pre and after. You know that makes sense, Yeah,
(08:26):
it does.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
So we need to plan a couple of vacations, all
of these.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I just need one or just something like it could
be a family trip, it could be.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
You look it up past a couple of years ago.
We travel numerous times a year.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
We took our first vacation last year together in February. Yeah,
our first vacation we ever.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Took constantly taking many ones.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
No, we're not it's work. You see what I'm saying.
Like the wedding and honeymoon was not work. It was
beautiful and relaxation and something to look forward to.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Okay, so let's book something. What are you, little wife,
come for our new year? Thinking I had nothing to
look forward to?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
What are you looking forward to? Well?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Am I looking forward to? Well, it's a thing. I'm
looking forward to a professional thing because I'm going to look.
I'm going to open my own facility, at our own
facility this year, the first and the facility aim towards
purely goal scoring. Everything that's aimed towards being a better goalscorer.
(09:37):
There's nothing like it. And I don't think it's even
ending like it in the world that does it too,
that'll do it to this kind of detail and professionalism.
So that's exciting.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I'm excited for you.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
That's exciting. So that'll be a and that'll be good
because it will almost be like a legacy type piece
as well, something to look forward to they can build
and enfranchising. So that's that was a big part of
the growing our marriage and not showing our marriage.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
That's just the obvious.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yes, it's still a high priority. A lot of people
just take it for There's loads of things training Troy,
like watching the kids grow. I'm excited for sports season
coming back as well. Yeah, mh this Roman will be
one and a half so you can one play, you
(10:32):
can join a team.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Oh my god, all he's eating rocks. Yes, new. We
had a show that we watched last year that I
was actually very surprised. Alan wanted to sit down and
watch it with me. But we kind of needed a
filler show. Well, we were out of our other shows.
(10:54):
It was called the Ultimatum.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Do we just finished Yellows though we had just.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Finished Allstone, that's right, and we needed something totally different,
so we started watching Ultimatum, and we have Sandy coming
on Today's Adult Education and she was the one that
came on the show with Nick, and you know, Nick
gave her an ultimatum, have you No, you haven't. I
(11:21):
feel like, even the premise of the show, if you
have to give someone an ultimatum to be with you,
then that should be your biggest.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Signs trouble in power.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Yeah, but I feel like it could also be something
where for the guy, like if a girl has has
anyone ever given you an ultimatum? Kind of? Maybe? Kind
of and like what did you do with that? Well,
obviously it didn't work. I'm here, But but I feel
(11:57):
like if that person gave you an ultimatum and you,
you know, realized, oh crap, okay, I got to get
my stuff together, then that could be the opportunity for
you then to go, I don't want to lose this person,
which you know on the show, some people ended up
leaving with their people because they realized, wait, I don't
want to I don't want to not be with them.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Yeah, I can be a positive, defining moment.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Yeah. So I'm just very intrigued by the concept and
the show. And Sandy was a fan favorite. So she
is here, let's get her on.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Hey girl, Hey, yeah, how are you?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Happy New Year?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Happy New Year?
Speaker 4 (12:54):
So nice to meet you. I'm Jana. This is my
husband Alan.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Nice to meet you.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I know who you are. I'm a big fan.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Ah, thanks Carol. I mean we're ye're fans of yours too,
because we watched Ultimatum.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
I know, so crazy. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Why are you sorry?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Because it's just like it was the craziest thing and
I'm like, oh my god. The fact that people are
watching this like over the holidays with their families, like
just watching my love life just completely explode.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I'm like, happy holidays, You're like enjoying my misery.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Felicea Navidad.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Literally I'm like, Merry Christmas. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Did you watch it back?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:39):
You did?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Okay, Yeah for sure, I mean how could I not,
you know?
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
We actually, I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
We watched it the night before the reunion, like a
month ago before it came out. So I watched the
whole thing and literally one day and I was just like,
oh my, then you go straight into the reunion. So
that was really crazy. But yeah, I watched it back
like with my friends and family and stuff and just
I just had fun during it, but it also was
(14:05):
just it's.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
It's really weird and hard to watch back. Of course, what.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Was the hardest moment to watch back for you?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
There's a lot of different moments honestly, but I think just.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
The stuff with Nick, you know, like that's there's so
much more to our story and just the relationship. So
I think it was really hard to kind of watch
how it played out on TV and I'm just like,
that's not exactly how it happened, you know, and it's
(14:38):
just a really like sensitive thing because it's my real relationship. Yeah,
you know, I think especially the night that he comes
the apartment, which was kind of like the big like
tipping point, that was a really hard night for me,
like just what actually happened and seeing the way that
it played out was just like okay, but yeah, I
(14:59):
mean honestly, a lot of it was hard to watch back.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I'm not Gallae.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Yeah, well, I feel like the editing of things is
always the tricky piece because you, like you just said,
like there's so much more to the story. Is there
was there one thing in editing that you were like, okay,
like that's just not fair.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, I mean kind of the night that he comes
to the apartment, honestly, because it was just like the
way that it looks is that he calls me once
and I'm like just hang up on him. Like that
was after he had been calling me like excessively, like
to the point where it's like I don't care if
you're my boyfriend, if you're my friend, if you're a stranger.
(15:39):
Like it was really inappropriate and just crossed so many boundaries,
and it was more than just calling and texting, you know,
it's like the overall communication and behaviors. And yeah, I
mean I had sat on the phone with him for
hours that night, talking to him, trying to calm him down.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
And I think what people don't understand.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Before the door, yeah, yeah, before okay, yeah, And I
had been doing that for days and weeks at that point, like,
you know, because that was towards the end of my
trial marriage with JR.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So it just kind of got worse and worse and worse.
And it was really late at night. It was like
one o'clock in the morning. We had my family meeting
the next morning at like seven am, and I was like,
I need to go to bed, like you're not respecting,
you know, my boundaries in myself. And he was actually
(16:39):
with my mom and my best friend before that.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
And he was wasted, like wasted. So it's like anyone
that you know, if your if your boyfriend or girlfriend
even is like wasted, they're not in the right headspace
to talk to you, and it's just it's not going
to be beneficial.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
So, yeah, he had told me that he was gonna
come to the apartment, and I was like, no, you're not.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
You're not coming to this apartment. First of all, we're
not allowed to.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
See each other there. They have like very strict rules,
so that was a big thing.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And also JR lives there, and so JR was pissed,
and that's what you see, just him.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Coming to the door, and Jar immediately was like, I'm
getting the door. You're staying back because now I'm pissed
off right now, And so he kind of was getting
protective and went to like talk to Nick and they.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Just nothing really happened.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
They just kind of went at it, and then you know,
Nick left and continued to again call and just bombard me,
and so then I blocked him at that point because
I was like, you're not respecting me, I have to
I have to literally block you in order for like
this to stop, you know. And other stuff happened that
(17:57):
night honestly, which don't really need to get it too,
but there was just a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
That were going on off camera, and it was it
was honestly a hard night for me.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And so then seeing the way that that played out,
I was just like, oh, Okay, that's.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Not at all what happened.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
But yeah, and you know, and I got obviously a
lot of backlash for that because the way that it looks,
of course, is like how could you just let somebody
that you have been you know, you've loved for a while,
Like how could you let them cry like that? And yeah,
(18:35):
I mean I think also looking back though, in that moment,
I didn't realize how much he really needed me and
like what was really going on, because again I was
just like so in my own experience and I was
so put off by you know, his communication and behaviors,
and it's like a cyclical pattern with him, so I
know what's coming, so I just know to kind of
(18:56):
shut off.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
But I do think in that moment it was a
unique that you give in.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
The circumstances and I honestly should have just been.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
In there for him and just like drawn everything, but.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Also like not too. They're like, I feel like one
of the things that I I stock up for you, like,
you know, because I was like, we didn't know you
guys and were watching and we all form our opinions
as viewers. But one of the things I would say
to my husband, I'm like, I respect the fact that
you were actually trying to do the process, you know
what I mean, Like, and that's something where it must
have been so hard, but at least you were, you
(19:29):
were trying to do what the whole show was about,
instead of leaving, instead of doing that. It's like you
were you were actively trying to participate. And that's one
thing that I was like, at least she's trying, you know,
and actually doing the experiment and yeah, and that that part,
I was like, that's where I started to get because
at first I was more team Nick, you know, in
the very beginning, and then I then I went more
(19:51):
team Sandy because I'm like, he's not allowing he's not
giving her the space, and I'm like, honestly, dude, you're
pushing her farther away, like this is again just viewers
like talking to the TV. But I've like if I
was you, I was like, I'm annoyed now, Like I
would be like screw this, like respect and you brought
me here.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Well, the part I couldn't get was that everyone knows
the rules and he has to respect the fact that
you're in a trial marriage with someone else. His person
has left, which was unfortunate for him. But then did
he have to stay in the apartment? Could he have
went to a bar or a restaurant, or could he
have went anywhere on his own or did he have
to stay in the apartment And he's his own misery.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I mean, he would have to like live there, but
he can go do you know?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Whatever he did, he would go out and golf and
do different activities, get it out too. But like he yeah,
he didn't have to stay in the apartment. Him and
Mariah had the option of like pairing up and doing
a trial marriage with each other, and honestly, they probably
should have because it's they would have gotten I think
(20:54):
a little bit more out of the experience. But he
was really really closed off to everything. And that's what
that was like where my frustration was coming from and
like you wanted to do this. He was so gung
ho about it and so nonchalant, like very unbothered, very unseerious,
joking about it. And then it was like once we
(21:16):
got there and he kind of realized he wasn't really
connecting with any of the girls and wasn't really having
like the experience that he thought he was going to have,
it was like all of a sudden, everything goes out
the window and he wanted me to just like stop
my experience as well, and exactly what you said, like,
(21:36):
I was really just trying to give it my all,
like both with JR.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
And with Nick, and.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
You know, there are a lot of there's like structures,
there's a structure to it, there's rules, and I was
honestly following the rules. A lot of people weren't, and
I think it was like didn't really work in my favor,
I guess following the rules so like strictly and like
really trying to like not you know, communicate so much.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
With Nick and just like be there with JR. And whatever.
But yeah, that was something that I.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Just couldn't understand because I was like, we're here, you know,
people left, So if you want to leave, you know,
maybe we should have. But it's like, then what's gonna happen?
What was the point of coming here and doing this?
And you know, I was trying to give him that
reassurance while I was in the trial marriage with JR.
Like I was really communicating with him and like trying
(22:34):
to make sure that he knew, look like I'm in this,
I'm doing a trial marriage.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Just like what we signed up for.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Nothing is like happening. It's just we're we're you know,
we're going through the steps and through the process. And
he wasn't like he wasn't accepting the reassurance that I
was giving him in the communication. And then it just
got really really out of control, honestly, and it was
to the point where I was like, Okay, this is
actually just disrespectful the way that you're communicating to me
(23:01):
and the position that you're putting me in as well.
I felt like I was being pulled in like seventeen
different directions, and I was just putting myself last because
I was trying to show.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Up for everybody else.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
And I think that's where, you know, I just kind
of like I just kind of like grumbled, Yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
It was a really weird experience.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Do you think that you guys would still be together
if you hadn't went on the show?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
We probably would have stayed together much longer, But I
do think that we still would have gotten to the
same answer. And I think that's with the whole experience.
It just expedites everything, Like that's kind.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Of the point of it. It's like, go through this process.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
If you guys can survive this and you're good, like
get engaged, get married, if not break up, like don't
do it in between things where you stay together. And
I think, naturally, like that's what we want to do
because we're like, Okay, well we're not ready to get engaged,
but we're also not ready to fully break up. Especially
going through that process, it kind of breaks you and
(24:12):
then like rebuilds you. So obviously the first half of
it was like so just destructive for my relationship, and
then the second half, which we don't really get to see,
Nick and I worked through a lot of stuff and
we actually got really close and you're in a really
good spot still though, Like to me, I just kind
of knew in my gut, like it wasn't enough, and
(24:34):
after seeing what had really unfolded like through the first
half of it's it does it gives you kind of
a preview into like maybe what life would be like
if we're in a marriage. Real shit happens, Like it
gets much harder when there's marriage and kids involved, you know,
And I'm like, if this is how you're reacting to
(24:56):
something that we really knew what we were like signing
up for, and you know in your head it's like
this is not it's not real life. We're in this
controlled experience. This would never happen outside of here, and
you're crashing out that hard where it's like actually seriously
like destructive? What could happen when you know there's kids involved?
(25:21):
And it's like, so I do think that we would
have broken up, It just probably would have taken us longer.
So I am grateful for, you know, the fact that
it was like, Okay, maybe we've saved ourselves another two
three years of going through the relationship.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I think the show, as much as there's so much
craziness going on and so many different dynamics, I think
the one thing for me that the show made really
clear was you could see and the videals that were
prepared to lose the other person, and you could see
the individuals that were prepared not to lose the other person.
I mean, I look at you and Nick, Sandy, you
(25:55):
could see that there was a part of you it
was prepared to lose him and it was all the
best thing for you is you could see his panic
and insecurity kicking in when he felt he was going
to lose you, and then all of a sudden, I
can't lose this person. Who see that dynamic of that's
not going to work because she she could live without him,
but he can't live without her. Yeah, you could, and
(26:16):
that was that was true for I think a few
other people as well. So as much as the show
had all this madness going on, you could really clearly
see Okay, yes, she's prepared to lose him, or he's
not prepared to lose herr Or vice versa. Yeah, it
was interesting to see that that kind of dynamic as well.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Do you hate the fact that everyone thinks use up
with jar.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, it's actually like there's nothing worse when you're like
I actually didn't sleep with her, right, I'm like Jesus Christ,
Like I know I'm like, it's really it sucks, you know,
like as the girl, I think for maybe guys, it's
like not that big of a deal. But it's just like, okay,
people trying to tell me what happened everything, and it does.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
It is unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I understand how it looks, so I don't blame people
for thinking it's the editing.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I was like, Okay, there's no way they didn't.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
But then I'm like, well, no, no, you know, not
even close, like actually not even close.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
So and that's the thing that's like really frustrating, and
it's kind of something that I guess I'm learning how
to navigate, like being there's there's the TV side of
things and then there's the actual like truth. And with
me and JR, like you know, we did have a
really flirty banter. We were having fun through the process,
Like we that's why we kind of clicked because we're like, Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Let's have some fun.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
It doesn't have to be so like somber and you know,
but we did have a lot of really really in depth,
serious converse stations like that was like ninety five percent
of our dynamic. And but we we were flirty and
and you know, touchy feely and whatever, but it was
never like really sexual in terms of our physical dynamic.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I think it was like we would talk about stuff,
and it was like we were joking about a lot
of certain things. But yeah, it just was never actually
like really sexual between him and I. And so it
is something that's that's weird for me to see because
it was it was so sexualized on TV, you know,
and people are obviously making assumptions and they have their opinions, and.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
It's like that's what you know, you kind of put
yourself in going on on TV. But yeah, you know,
it does feel a little bit like exhausting trying to
like explain what actually happened to people because it's like
people are just gonna have their opinions.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
What do you do with with the comments? I mean,
how how have they how have they been post show?
And then you know what because this is I is
this the first time you've been on a like reality show?
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yeah, So it's like how how has the comments good
or bad affected you?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
You know, I'm not one to like really get but
her about certain comments like trolls and stuff because I'm
just like, it doesn't really, it doesn't really affect me.
I know what happened, I know the truth. I know
who I am. I'm very like confident within myself and
anybody that knows me knows who I am.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
They know my heart, they know my soul. Like I
am obviously way more than what you know what we're
just seeing on TV. And I get it. It's a
TV show, like they it needs.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
To be entertaining, So I would say, most of the
comments don't bother me. I think it's just it is
just an interesting It's a new thing for me, right, Like,
I've never had so many people having judgments, especially into
my relationship. I think that's the part that is frustrating,
because there's so much that people don't know that I
(30:02):
have really kind of kept quiet on.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
And it's like, you know, it looks just like I
don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
You know, it looks like I'm super like insensitive, and
it's quite literally the opposite. I've just been like beyond
exhausted with how much I've put into it.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
But I will say like I've.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Gotten a lot of love and a lot of positivity,
and it is really cool to see a lot of
women like just relating to me and reaching out to
me and really seeing like themselves in my relationship and
my story. And I think especially now that everything's out,
the reunions out, even after like the last podcast.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
I did, because you did a pod you did Nick
with Nick.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, so we did the Biophiles together, So that was
kind of the last thing that that's come out, and
so you know, we we got into a little bit
of kind of what was going on and the reality
of things.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
But I definitely would say like.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Just the overall vibe has kind of lightened and shifted
since now it's like more of the truth is coming
out and people can understand just more.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
They just have more context to like what was going on.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Is it hard because now because on the reunion Nick
said that he's in a relationship now, So I mean, obviously,
you know, you always always have love for that person,
But I mean, is it has it been hard for
you or you you know, have you started dating someone
or so.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
It's not hard for me that Nick is in a relationship.
I actually would prefer him to be in a relationship
because I think even through the last year of us
being broken up, like he has still leaned on me
as if i'm you know, his partner. And it's difficult
because I never want to deny somebody like love and support,
(31:56):
especially when I do care about them and love them.
But again, it's like really trying to respect my own boundaries.
And so I'm actually very happy that he's in a
relationship and I'm not in a relationship. I haven't actually
really been dating that much, Like I think this whole
(32:16):
process has just been a lot, and especially just my
ties to Nick and like really trying to separate everything.
And I think now that the show was completely done
and it's like, you know, the ties can fully be cut.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
But yeah, no, I haven't really been dating.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
I'll actually remember what we were watching it. I was
like sand it's just like she'd be like the girls girl,
Like I want her in the girl group because I'm like,
you just know that, like she'd have your back. Yeah,
that's the thing, Like I can tell you know what
I mean, I love it. You always need that friend.
Or just like we were like there's a body bag
that's needing help, you know, build, like she's gonna help
carry it, you know, Like I like her.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, No, I I really am like I'll do anything
for my girlfriends.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I will go to bad for them.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
It's funny because it's like I can take a lot
of heat myself, but if someone says something about my family,
my sister, my friends, like that's when I know I'll
lose it.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
What is the biggest thing you've learned about yourself doing
the show?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Oh, gosh, I mean a lot.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
It's definitely interesting having you know, literally a mirror of
yourself in a way like on TV. And it's definitely
like allowed me to really look at certain things that
maybe I wouldn't see.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
You know. I do think that.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
I think for me, like kind of leading with my
vulnerability or my emotions is not something that is like
it's not my first instinct, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
I do kind of like keep.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
This harder shell up and I really try and keep
it all together.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
And it's actually interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Watching it because I'm like, wow, Like I could see
in moments where I I was literally crumbling and hurting
so much and I was trying so hard to like
keep a straight face, keep it together, hold back tears,
and I just was like, I really think that it
would have actually been a lot better had I just
been really like vulnerable and real about like how I
(34:16):
was feeling.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
And I kind of allowed myself to do that the
second half of it. But yeah, I think just like.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
You know, knowing that it's okay to like actually be
vulnerable lead with my heart and I don't have to
always like keep it together and make sure that it's
you know, make sure everyone else is comfortable, and then
in return, I'm making myself uncomfortable. I think that was
something that I was really trying to do throughout the process,
(34:43):
especially with JR. Like, you know, living with living with
somebody for three weeks, it's a super long time.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
It is way too long.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Yeah, like one or like one and a half week,
it's like three weeks. I'm like, that has a really
long time.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
It was way too long, and it's an extremely uncomfortable situation.
And then on top of it, there's cameras around everywhere,
you're micd up, and I think for me, something that
I do, I just always want to like make sure
that you know, it's like a comfortable environment, you know.
And so I think there were certain things.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
That maybe I didn't really.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Say or stand up to that actually made me uncomfortable
or you know that I wasn't really okay with because
I wanted.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
To keep the peace.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I didn't want to get in any like arguments or anything,
you know, because it's like I wanted to protect my
living situation.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
I was. We had to do it for three weeks.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
So I think, just like something I've also realized is,
you know, it doesn't always have to be like the
most comfortable environment if it's not true to myself and
just being like I don't know, just just honoring myself
enough to actually like say what I'm feeling in those moments,
(36:00):
even if it makes the other person uncomfortable or upset.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
A little bit.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Yeah, we were just talking about that, Yeah, honoring yourself.
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Is there anyone on the show and you don't need
sounds to this that you really grew with thisslike over
the weeks of the periods, Alan.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
That's a funny question.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
No, we didn't really get to interact with the other castmates,
so it was really we were very secluded with our
trial marriage and then with you know, then you go
back with when I went back with Nick, so we
didn't really even get to know the other castmates. I
think it's a unique thing other shows. Everyone's really close,
So I didn't really start talking to the castmates until
(36:43):
honestly after the reunion.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
There was one guy in the show that I thought
he was really calculated and nasty.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Teking about Scotti. Yeah, I know, I it sucks. I
think Scotty is.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
I mean, I don't know him in a relationship setting, obviously,
and I think people can be different in relationships.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
But he's such a nice guy. He really truly is.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
And I feel bad because it's like I think, just
you know, kind of his worst moments are only shown,
but he Yeah, he's he's a really really sweet guy.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
But I do think that like there was a lot of.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Issues in the relationship and maybe just things for him
to look at within himself. That again, like you don't
really know until you're actually seeing it on TV and
you're like, whoa, OK. It just gives you a different perspective.
But yeah, I know, Scott, He's he's really nice.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I swear.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
I feel like there was a few anger pieces that
came out that I was a little a.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Little and that's my judgment based off the air, Yeah,
and not personally him, but he just came across as
really like he could snaff it anything.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's good to again, there's always
two sides editing. That's why I think that's why we
watched these shows. And it's like we're all human and
you know, it's like if we had a camera in
our face, you know, gosh.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
I think it's something in a note with that, and
it's like people don't maybe understand. But so the show
is we film for two months, two full months of
filming every single day, like maybe ten hours a day,
and you know, it's condensed into nine episodes because of
the reunion is you know, the tenth episode, and so
(38:26):
it's like nine hours and then split between twelve people.
So obviously, I mean that's just how TV works. Of course,
you can only show certain.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Bits and pieces, but like.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Most of everything is not shown, which I think it was.
That was probably one of the weirdest things watching it back,
just knowing everything that we went through, everything that we
were talking about, and then just seeing it so like
you're like, oh wow, okay, there's like they show one sentence,
so you know, and they could be showing only the
(38:59):
bad things or only the good things. It just depends
kind of on what I guess the storyline is, but yeah,
it's that was a really interesting thing because I was like,
do we need to do this for two months?
Speaker 2 (39:12):
You guys, like really?
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Because it was it was a lot okay, And I'm like,
we've done this whole thing in three weeks.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
That is a long I just.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Love how they only let you see the whole thing
the night before the reunion.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Yeah, that's why I never want to do reality. Every
time we ever get approached, I'm always like I would
have to be a producer so that I can edit
the crap process because if not, they're going to edit
you how they want you to be perceived.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, exactly. I know.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
It was really weird watching it back the night before
the reunion and then you just go right and stay union.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
You don't even have time to process what you just watch,
Like you really don't.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
It took me like a full week to really process everything.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
And then I was like, oh.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Okay, wow, So I think that's why, like at the
reunion people are like why.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Aren't they addressing are in things?
Speaker 1 (40:01):
It's like you don't even know what you just watched,
you know, And then it's like then you get time
to actually process it and watch and then you're like,
oh wow, Okay, this is actually something that maybe I
should have addressed or what.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
You know. It's like it's just such an interesting experience.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Okay, well what is next for Sandy? What is what
are you doing?
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah, so I'm actually launching a bikini line, a s
one more line.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
This year, so I'm super excited. I've been working for
a while Sandy Gal.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
So yeah, my name is Sandy Gallagher and I've always
kind of like, you know, Sandy Gal has always been
like my Instagram name whatever, but it just makes sense.
I'm you know, I grew up in southern California. I'm
always in a bikini.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Can you do high.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Wasted for a mama? A three?
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yes, of course, you don't even need high waisted talking
about we love the high wasted look, but like, no,
your body is rocking.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
But it's kind of a you know, my the concept
in the vision. I don't want to like say too much,
but it's kind of a a balance I guess of
you know, being really sexy and confident in.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Your own body.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I'm very much about like women empowerment and just being
confident and also into kind of the spiritual realm of
you know, I'm really into crystals and manifestation and just
really channeling like your inner goddess.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
So that but that's kind of yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Okay, Sandy gal Oh, I'm excited. Got some new bikinis
for summer.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Here we go, Yes.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
With love, Well, thank you for coming on, Appreciate you
and yeah, always nice to hear, you know from the
source itself. That's what I know.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Oh, I'm glad you guys watched it and enjoyed, I hope.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Yeah, But it's also people's lives. It's not it's not
you know, scripted. This is you know, people's real lives.
And I think people need to remember that things are
edited and if and remember how we would be if
we had a camera every single day for two months,
how our life would be edited down. So it's a
good thing to think about for the new year, you know,
like who do you want to be in the you know,
(42:25):
in your in your reality show if all your pieces
were cut down to you know, right episodes.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
So it's very true, it's very true. Definitely been you know,
an interesting mirror.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
But actually, like I am really grateful for it because
it's there's been a lot of lessons through it.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
A lot of lessons, a lot of.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Blessings, and personally for me, like I'm just always genuinely
trying to like better myself as a human and so
there have been things that have been good for me
to see and it's like, okay, cool, moving forward. I know,
you know, I need to do certain things or not
do certain things. So that's been nice, and yeah, you know,
(43:07):
I'm just grateful for the experience.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Overall.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
It's definitely hasn't been easy, but that's how you know,
that's how we grow and we evolve, so exactly.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Well, thank you Sandy, great connecting and look forward to
Sandy Gal.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Thank you, nice to meet you guys.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
Happy New Year YouTube, Bye bye bye
Host
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