June 28, 2021 • 42 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Jane Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast.
All Right, guys, so welcome to another week of wind Down.
I've got neighbor Pam with me. I'm here. UM, So
I kind of wanted to just throw a curveball on
this podcast. I have had a lot of people, I mean,
there's been a lot of stuff in the news lately,
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one being obviously Britney Spears, which I feel bad even
talking about because did you see the documentary I did,
And it's just like, I just want people to leave
her alone, like my heart. I mean, she's just so
scrutinized and it's yeah, like it just I feel bad,
But we are like and I feel like such a hypogram,
(00:44):
leave her alone. Let's talk about it on today and
wind dumb. But I do feel like there's so much
stuff out there, so you know, we just wanted to
get the people on that can just give us some
more understanding because I have a lot of questions around it. UM,
But we're going to have UM an editor, you're an
editor who has been reporting on all things, and then
a lawyer just to kind of catch us up to
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speed and help us understand what a conservatorship is. UM.
And also yeah, but I do just feel bad because
I'm I'm friends with her sister, Jamie Lynn. I mean,
Jamie Lynn wrote, um, I got the boy, and I
I texted Jamie when I heard all this stuff um
in the media, and it just you know, I basically
just said, like, I'm praying for you and your family.
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I think I know we don't know the full truth
of anything, and so just know that, like I'm here
as a friend, supporting you, caring about you, praying for you.
And she wrote back, you know, a sweet message, and
I'm like, girl, you don't need to say anything. You
don't need to explain nothing to me. Like I'm just
literally saying, we don't know, like y'all like your family,
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that is y'all's business. And unfortunately, I can't even imagine,
you know, being in that situation and the things that
like they're being so off to even Jamie Lynn, and
I'm like, it's just like there's a lot that we
probably don't know. I mean, they're just a family in pain,
just like a lot of us have, you know, these
situations with families, but like nobody looks at them like
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that and they don't get that grace or that you know,
understanding your kindness and it's sad. Yeah, and so again
I'm sure there's Again I'm sure there's a lot we
don't know. And you know, my friendship to Jamie, I
would never ever dare to even ask, and that's not
my business. And that's why I'm like, I feel bad
talking about her sister because we're friends. But again, I
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think it's just I don't even know what it is.
I mean I feel like, you know, it's like, what
are her rights and like if somebody is being you know,
how you can have kids Like I think that's where
it kind of struck us, as like you know, being
women and them saying that she can't get the iu
D removed or get married. I mean, that's where that's crazy.
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So we're gonna have Ashley Editor coming on very soon.
And then also I'm gonna throw a little curveball because
when I was on Daily Pop, apparently the government is
going to disclose that there are UFOs what so for that,
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I know, so um, all things Brittany and UFOs coming
up next. Okay, So to kind of help break this
down a little bit, since I mean I've only just
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seen what I've read and heard and stuff. But we
have Ashley Collins, who's actually the business editor for the
Hollywood Reporter, who's reporting on all things Brittany. So let's
get her in and let's chat about it. Ashley, thank
you so much for coming on wind Down. Okay, can
you just get us up to speed on all things Brittany.
So in the Brittany conservatorship world, people had always kind
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of speculated whether or not she was okay with the arrangement. Uh,
closest sources close to her would say that she was unhappy.
The fans would be dissecting every little thing, very little thing. Yeah,
even you know, I was watching when I was watching
that documentary too, it's like, Wow, They're like she said
this word or it's like put this. I'm like, that's
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like they really went deep into it. Yeah, she posted
three red pictures in a row. This is an s
OS Like her Instagram was like an Easter egg hunt
for people who were trying to figure out whether or
not she was okay. And so this week was the
first time she's ever publicly talked about it, and we
think that this is the first time that she talked
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about it. So in the fall, a few things happened,
there was a push to make her dad less involved
and share sort of the business aspect of the conservatorship up.
And also her lawyer said in a filing for what
I believe was the first time that this has been
voluntary this whole time, And so I think that may
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have been when she found out that it was voluntary,
based on some of the things she said this week,
and I think she was just done and ready to
speak her side of the story. I guess I just
don't understand, like, how how I mean, at thirty nine,
could she even be involved in a conservatorship because isn't
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it mostly for people who are a lot older and
can't speak or Yeah, it's very confusing for a lot
of reasons. It's been going on for a long time,
and I think part of the issue is this hasn't
really happened before, at least not to anyone high profile.
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There are I'm sure people who are similarly situated who
we don't hear about because the private people. But you're right,
this is generally something that is put into place to
help older individuals as they start to physically and mentally decline,
and typically these end when that person dies. And so
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having somebody who's been in a situation like this one
out of it isn't something that happens very often. So
what do you think that will we hear from Jamie
a side the dad on why or you know what
her because you know, I mean, I if I'm watching
her Instagram, she's clearly not the Brittany that I've grew
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up with. I mean, she seems you know, I I don't.
I don't know, like I don't know you know her
health or what her um mental state is. I mean,
is there something where that will come out to be like, hey,
this is in her best interest to not have another baby,
you or even though I don't think it's right to
have anyone control their body, having said that, if they're
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not physically capable, Like, I don't know, Yeah, the Instagram
situation is strange. I agree that it doesn't seem like her,
and it'll be interesting to see how that changes moving forward,
like if her posts do become a little bit more
like what we would expect from her, and maybe this
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was just a cry for help the whole time. I'll
be interested to see what her dad says now. Because
they took a twenty minute recess so that his side
could comment, and then it was like a lame, one sentence,
I'm sorry she feels this way. Basically, the medical stuff
is interesting and very sad, and it could very well
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be that they're in a situation where she does want
to have another kid and her family is questioning whether
or not she should do that. But again, like they do,
do they do like yearly mental evaluations or something like
who is saying and how are they saying that she's incapable?
So the tough that's a tough question because there is
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a court of investigator assigned to Brittany who's basically her
job is to make sure that this is working for her.
Those reports are confidential, so we don't know other than
seeing on the docket. It will pop up, but there's
no way to tell what they found. So The New
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York Times referenced one from a couple of weeks ago
in a story earlier this week that was leaked, and
she told the investigator then that she wanted to get out,
and the investigator passed that information along, but apparently they
determined at the time that it wasn't right. I don't
think Brittany formally petitioned to get out of it, but
she at least made her wishes known then, and so
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now she's saying she out and she doesn't want them
to do any kind of psych evaluation because she feels
like she's seeing too many strange therapists and psychiatrists. And
yet it may be tough for her to prove that
she's ready to run her own life without taking that step.
But she's still working and like making her own money. Yeah,
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so she's what is she working on? Because she says
she's not gonna tour and obviously she's gonna have she's
you know, I think over the past however many years
it's been twenty year, I don't know, fifteen years that
it's been, she's worked that whole. How long has the
conservaship it's worked the entire time? Um, I mean that's
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showing capability. The only thing is is like I look
back and it's like, okay, thirteen years from then. Again,
just watching her Instagram, it just seems like she has
continued to mentally maybe not be there in my like
this is where I'm just this would be terrible. But
like I'm like, what are they giving her? Are they
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giving her these pills or are they giving her something
to like make her like which is just awful to
think about. But you think, you know, I mean, look
at Michael Jackson or or wasn't what didn't he get
like fed pills? I mean, you see these people that
are just given things because they're under this. They either
trust the doctor or they trust this you know, their
father or whatever. It's like you just you don't. I
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don't know, it's just but watching the decline has been
like super sad. Obviously as someone you know, a huge,
huge fan of her and the whole situation, and she
seemed way more together when this first happened. So that's
where I just some kind of like, uh, yeah, it's
a tough situation. And obviously she feels like the people
around her weren't listening to her and weren't doing what
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was in her best interest. But I would like to
believe that they at least thought they were. But part
of the issue here is anytime you're dealing with mental health.
First of all, I don't want to diagnose her um,
but she said this week that she knows she doesn't
at least need some therapy, that there's stuff going on
who doesn't. We're all we all have. Sometimes people in
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that situation immediately turned to medication, and not every medication
is right for every person, and so it could have
been a situation where they're like, Okay, well she's not
getting quote unquote better, so let's try more or let's
try different, instead of listening to what she said wasn't
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wasn't working. Yeah, I mean, I just I had a
similar A friend was telling me about like this intervention
they had on one of these artists who they just
they tried one thing, one pill, and the doctor just
kept giving the medicine. Because it's like when you get
these rock docks, they'll just give you. I mean, I
could call a doctor and be like, hey I need
and they're like, okay, great, they don't they don't really
see what else you're taking or this and then the other,
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so it's like they're sometimes they just keep adding and
finally they're like you can't even walk on stage, like
you like you got to clean out all this stuff.
And so it's just scary and like, yeah, of course,
like like you said, like you want to hope that
someone is doing it for their best interest, but when
there's I don't know again, I'm like, maybe it's just
because where I'm at my life, I'm like hard time
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trusting anyone right now. But I'm like with all that money,
and I don't know, like how do they decide, I mean,
if they can, they can be reversed, and like when
would we will we know anything? So there's not like
a hard deadline, but there is a hearing set for
next month. I can't remember the date off the top
of my head, and I'm sure that the judge is
going to ask for some kind of status update because
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her response was Okay, well, clearly you want out of this,
like please put it in writing. But there was also
a bit of a discussion about her wanting to hire
her own lawyer, which is complicated because in the conservatorship,
like the conservatorship has to hire her lawyer, so which
actually makes no sense because I mean, she should be
able to hire her own like, so then the institution
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that is, you know, she's she should be able to
have her own lawyer. Yeah, And the tricky thing is, though,
if they decide that she's well enough to have her
a lawyer, then that kind of immediately answers the question
as to whether she's well enough to be in this situation.
So I'm this hasn't happened before, at least not in
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the public eye, So I would expect that in the
next couple of weeks will see some kind of a
petition filed. I don't know how her family is going
to react to it. I don't know if there I'm
gonna just say, Okay, let's let you out of it
and see what happens, or if they're going to want
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her to be evaluated to make sure that she's ready,
because I think if they thought she was, they would
have said, okay, it's time to end this. But again,
not who knows what's going on in any of their heads.
It just makes me sad again the you know, we're
hearing that she couldn't have another kid or get married.
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It's like that that broke my heart because it's who
for anybody to be restricted from that just cruel. It's
just yeah, that that that, like, of all the stuff
I was like that one just I mean, I can't
even imagine like that. That's just awful. But I mean, where,
what are what are your kind of like final thoughts
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on this? Actually, Like do you think you know because
you don't know. Like you said, it's never it's never
been like this. Do you think that she you know,
she she will be able to get out even though
it's never been like this. I hope so, because it's
clearly not working for her, and the point of this
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is to help the person, right, So if her family
wants to help her and the people around her want
to help her, and she's saying, this isn't helping me,
this is making things worse, then you would hope they
would find some way to end it while still maybe
giving her some kind of support. You know, I don't
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know what that looks like. I I would imagine that
this will be messy. I unfortunately do not think this
is going to be a clean like she files one
petition and her family says great, and the investigator says great,
and then it's just done. I expect that this is
going to drag out for a little bit. But I
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hope that everyone involved is at least being mindful of
what she said this week and actually you know, hearing
just listening. Yeah, they need to listen to her too,
and yeah, and put things into action. And it just
makes me sad, Like from watching that documentary too, it's
just everyone. And I even't feel bad at having this conversation.
It's like everyone's always just talking about her and like,
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you know, picking on her, and it's just her life
is just spin. I remember actually sat on an airplane
next to Larry her at the time. It was her
um manager um, and he was just like, look over
and he's told me that you know, he worked with
Britney Spears, and he's like, look right out the window
airplane window right now. He's like, every single person knows
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who Britney Spears. Is not one person out there does
not know who she is. And I'm like, man, like,
just having America Ripper apart and again watching that documentary,
I just felt I felt awful for It's like, can
people just stop controlling her? And yeah, that's why she
lost her mind. I mean, you got a jug right here.
I mean she's Hamlin's got a mug that says Britney
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survived two thousand seven, you can survive today. It's like,
you know, I mean, she's I feel terribly. Let her
just live her life. Life is hard enough without everyone
in the world having an opinion about how you're living yours.
Amen to that. Well, actually, thank you so much for
coming on and keep giving us the real news. Okay,
I will thanks, all right, thanks. Okay, Now we are
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going to bring on Benny, and Benny is a she's
a lawyer, UM last fifteen years, so we're going to
just kind of ask her on the law side, um,
what she thinks about all of this. Hey, how are
you good? How are you guys good? Thank you so
much for coming on. Wine down. So we just got
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off with Ashley. He was a reporter that's been kind
of following all the Britney stuff and on the law side,
we just have so many questions, So if it's cool,
can we just jump right on in absolutely? Okay? How
can a thirty nine year old be in a conservatorship?
So basically there's a triggering event um, which was her
um what a lot of people call like, you know,
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psychiatric breakdown thirteen years ago where um, you know, this
was like right after she had had her babies, and
you know, the documentary that that we all saw sort
of explains that UM and typically conservator ships are literally
to concern of a human being when there is a
threat that they cannot you know, manage their own personal
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decisions and their own financial affairs. So the court literally
appoints another person UM to manage that those decisions so
that the person who is being conserved, called the conservative
UM is conserved and UM, you know, they're they're protected
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from basically a host of bad things that can happen
to them. And typically the conservatorship you know, last until
like the person dies, because it's usually for like older people.
And so that's why I think this case is kind
of a little bit more unique. Absolutely, you you hit
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the nail right on the head there. UM. Traditionally and
commonly conservatorships are for for elderly disabled adult olds UM.
And so this is a case that is very unusual
in that UM, what started out as potentially UM a
temporary measure to protect her has turned into like a
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very restrictive UM life long you know, like commitment UM
to be conserved and have somebody else make the decisions
for you UM. And certainly, I think normally the way
a conservatorship terminates is when a person dies. So this
case raises a question of she's thirty nine years old
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and hopefully she has many many many decades ahead of her,
and is she going to be under this conservatorship until
she dies. Clearly, um, you know that's problematic from a
standpoint of somebody who potentially had an issue and needed
to be conserved but no longer UM needs that. This
is probably I have to really stupid questions. One she
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said she had an I U d M and she
just go to the guy in cologist herself and be like,
take my I D out because like it's not like
she walks around with her conservatorship paperwork saying like, well
it says right here that I have to keep this
in Like can she just be like enough f that,
like I want this I D out. So it's it's
really it's it's not a dumb question. Actually, that's something
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that really struck out to me when reading her transcript,
is that important reproductive choices. We're being like the conservatorship
controls her rights, uh you know, her like reproductive rights,
which uh it seems you know, really unusual. And the
other like really unusual aspect of it is. Um. So,
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so I don't know that I don't have all the
information to exactly answer that question about whether she has
that freedom. Certainly, based on her words, she does not
at least feel like she has that freedom or she's
been told she doesn't have that freedom to just deny
that and say no, I don't want, you know, this
device that prevents me from procreating. UM. The other unusual
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aspect of it when I read the interview was, you know,
she mentioned being administered lithium. And from my uh, you
know knowledge of the law and conservatorships is that you
cannot force someone to take a psychiatric medication without a
different type of conservatorship like those are usually called LPs conservatorships.
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And I'll admit that I'm not really familiar with all
the details of this particular conservatorship, but to my knowledge,
at least what's publicly available I'm not aware of, they're
also being an LPs conservatorship over um MS spears. Do
you do you think she'll be able to get out? Um?
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You know, I think that nobody can doubt, you know,
the eloquent and powerful way in which she delivered her
statement to the court. I do believe that. UM. You know,
she has definitely started that conversation and saying something like
I didn't know that I could terminate this conservatorship. UM.
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You know the best thing about this particular cases that
it happens to be before a judge that is amazing.
I mean, she's probably one of the best judges on
in the probate court in Los Angeles, So she is
not going to let a statement like that go without
actually exploring to see, you know, what needs to happen, like,
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do do restrictions need to be lifted? Does this conservatorship
need to be terminated? Like all of those conversations have
now started and are well underway. Another really stupid question,
but because the conservatorship was her father, you know, her
father was the person doing it, isn't I mean, he's
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a guardian. So it's like, I mean, why would you
have to put a conservatorship when you're a parent, Because
when you guardianships are from in her children, your parents
is your minor. And then when you're an adult and
if you need to be conserved and somebody needs to
be made your decision, then you become a conservatore to
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to be able to have that official authority. Got it,
got it, got it? Got it? Well, thanks for your insight.
I really appreciate it. Yeah, you know your stuff. Of
course we're gonna have We're gonna have you back on.
We got some more law questions for you. Sure, okay,
all right by girl. Well, I just because how do
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I say? It's in my twisted movie brain and I'm like, oh,
he's probably paying off the judges. He's gonna pay off
this person, because it's just I think money ruins families
for sure. But I just hope and pray that whatever
is meant to be, and I just hope that she
gets the help, she gets what she wants, and there's
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just support because I mean, again, we don't know the
full the full situation. I think, you know, the very least.
Just people just need to listen to her words. Yes,
very well said. Okay, it's the moment we've all been
waiting for. Um UFOs pamelin Do you think they are real? Yes? Yes?
(24:18):
Oh my god. I thought for sure you're gonna say no.
And I was like, oh, here we go. I do
you do you think there's so many like unexplained weird
things that have happened that that's the answer for me.
So if you think there's UFOs, that means that there's aliens.
So what kind of like, wow, do you which alien
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do you? Because there's been a lot of alien movies,
So what does that alien look like to you, like
who's flying the UFO flying the ship? Right? I mean
I think it's Tom Cruise. Is it like the it's
a similar like similar to human? Oh you think it's
human like not like they like Rihanna, they resemble humans,
(25:06):
but like you know, like a body in arms and
that kind of thing. Okay, So like if we're talking
um Will Smith Independence Day, is it like body arms
like that or do you think it really has like
our kind of flesh? And I mean I think it's
more it's just like you know what, I'm visualizing my head.
Who who am I to even? Like no, but I
(25:27):
just like visualized like it really almost like an like
they're a hundred years old looking, you know what I mean,
just like really like thin and like just Crawley, I
don't know. Do you think people have been abducted by aliens?
I mean people say they have listen to their words,
(25:49):
listen to their words, like who are we to say? True?
I mean the guy and again Independence Day, he was
he saw it coming. I one thousand percent believe that
there's aliens. I'm I believe in all of it. I
believe in ghosts, I believe in area what what's the
area fifty fifty something? You are together? That's Oh, I
(26:20):
think it's something like that. That's area fifty one. I think, well,
I believe the government has been hiding that stuff for
us for years. Yeah, Area fifty one. I mean, so
I'm like, where is it? Let's go do it? Um Mark,
do you believe in aliens? I believe in aliens in
the grand sense of the universe, Like if the universe
is intimate, I don't believe it's possible that there couldn't
(26:41):
be some other form of life somewhere, just by the
definition of infinity. But I don't know that. I believe
that we've been visited, and I don't know. I think
it might be like, you know, if you picture a
beach and we're a grain of sand in Huntington's Beach
and the aliens are on a grain of sand in
Newport Beach, like they're never going to find each other.
(27:02):
You know, it's like that kind of a situation Easton.
I like the idea of them, but I don't know
if I I just feel like, um, we must be
so primitive to any anything that has the ability to
come to Earth, Like I feel like it would be like, uh,
why why make like I'm not out there trying to
(27:22):
make contact with the squirrel on my on my fence,
you know, because he has nothing to offer me. So
I feel like, I don't know. I feel like they're
out there, but they're not going to bother Earth because
it's like, what do we have for them? You know, everything,
every ever anything. We've got food, we've got technology, we've
got Earth. I mean even Jolie said the other just
like I love our planet, Like our planet is great,
(27:45):
it's great, Yeah, but like for an elevated life for him,
I mean, they must have bigger fish to fry, that's
what stuff. Yeah, oh they want they want that. Do
we know that? I mean they're probably, Yeah, they're insane,
amnicable of aret eating all those tiros, you know, like
they're they're they're loving it. Although I feel like they
look like the ones from Oh God it was It
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wasn't an be a quiet place. That's that's how I imagine.
I did see a thing in the news where they're
like extraterrestrials are probably landed on Earth. But get this,
their bacteria and they're single cells, and I'm like, that's stupid. Yeah,
that's lame. That's uninteresting. Yeah, that's super uninteresting because obviously,
(28:28):
like I, I believe in that stuff too. But I
do think that we are not alone. I agree, oh um,
but we have a UFO. I think he's like a
specialist on the UFOs. He's his name is Nick Pope
and he's a former UK Ministry of Defense employee. So um,
he goes on record and talks all about his beliefs
(28:50):
and opinions and um, he's a basically a UFO investigator.
So I'm very interested to see, uh what he has
to say about that, because when that came up on
Daily Pop, I was like, yes, I want to know more. Um,
so coming up. I love Nick Pope. Do you love
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Oh my gosh, I'm hello. Oh the accent. Yes, Hillo,
it's so nice to meet you. Likewise likewise, So, we
were just having the great debate about UFOs, and I've
been told that the government is going to release some
UFO information. Do you know anything about that? Yes, it
(30:26):
is supposed to be today. Stop really yeah, absolutely, Um,
there are rumors flying around, there are leaks coming out
of Washington d C. I mean, this report was requested
from Director of National Intelligence by the Senate Intelligence Committee,
and today is the deadline. So if it's any later
(30:49):
than today, they will have missed that deadline. So we'll
watch and wait and hope. I mean, you obviously believe
in UFOs, and have you seen a UFO Sadly, I've
never seen anything myself, but I have investigated them for
the British government and that's a job I did at
(31:09):
the Ministry of Defense in the nineties. So so I'm
I'm fascinated by this subject to me, and they can
be few bigger or more profound questions than are we
alone or not in the universe? And if we're not alone,
my goodness, are we being visited? Have you what? What
did you find from your investigations? Like that there that
it is? There is, it's out there? Um, there's just
(31:31):
something that you found that you would love to share
about your investigation. Well, sadly, we didn't find a smoking gun,
so I can't point you to any one piece of
evidence that says this is a extraterrestrial But we had,
and the US government has, and that's why I guess
(31:53):
we're getting this report to Congress. A number of cases
where these things have been seen by military pilots, tracked
on radar, performing extraordinary speeds and maneuvers that we simply
can't match. And obviously people are saying to themselves, look,
whatever is going on, it's a figure out. Is it
(32:16):
Russia or is it kinda or is it somewhere a
little further away. We need to find out. I mean,
do you do you believe that an alien is flying
that UFL? I hope so of of I mean aliens.
Aliens would be far more interesting than Russians. So of
(32:43):
all the theories that are out there, I think it's
the most intriguing. And I'm not sure this report just
because governments just don't come out and say, hey, people,
there's aliens. So I'm not sure that this report to
Congress is going to say that. It will probably say, well,
we haven't found any evidence, but neither can we rule
(33:03):
out the possibility we need to ramp up the effort
to figure out what's going on in ours guys, if
and when that happens. What would you like to Ben? Like,
what would you ask him? Like this is so weird,
Like what would you want to know from like the
alien species? Like what would be like the one thing
like if you could like communicate with them, that would
(33:24):
you would like want to know? I think if I
could have just one question, I would say to them,
what he is the most profound thing you have learned
from your journey as a civilization. I would just speak insane,
(33:45):
like I just hope they're nice, you know, like they go.
If if they're not, we're in big trouble. Because, frankly,
I mean, any any civilization with the technology to get
here from there. Given the it, even our fastest space probes,
if we'd aimed them at the nearest star aside from
(34:07):
our own son, it would take seventy five thousand years
to get there. So any civilization that's visiting us has
technology orders of magnitude above and beyond anything we've got,
so absolutely we'd better hope they're friendly, because if they're not,
we're in big trouble. I mean when you say that, though,
I'm kind of like, how is that really possible? Though,
(34:30):
that like that far away there's I mean, I always
think that we're not, like, we're not alone. I do
believe that, But the fact that there's this other technology
that's light years away, I mean, do you really truly
think that's a possibility? Yes, I think so, There's there's
nothing unless we thought that planet Earth was almost literally magical,
(34:53):
I mean, and the more we find out about ourselves
and the wider universe actually more ordinary. We leok, just
just an ordinary, rocky little planet orbiting a fairly ordinary
little star. And and there are hundreds of billions of
stars just in our one galaxy, and then hundreds of
(35:14):
billions of galaxies in the universe. You know, there was
a scientific study last year and it was just a guess,
and it came in with a really low number, and
it said there might only be only thirty six alien
civilizations in our galaxy. And then I did the math
(35:36):
and I said, wait a minute, that means that in
the known universe there would be seventy two trillion civilizations.
And my goodness, look, if we just find one other civilization,
it's such a game changer that that it would be
beyond profound. That's what would science be able to like
(35:57):
learn from that? I mean, what's like, why are we
obsessed with, you know, knowing about it just because we
can learn so much from how their civilization works? Yes,
I think so. I mean one of the things that
we hopefully would learn is the secret of a viable
interstellar travel, so that we too could travel between the
(36:17):
stars and visit other civilizations and not be in a
situation where where it would just take it, as I say,
seventy five thousand years to get to the nearest one.
So so I'd love to acquire that technology, I suppose,
and have a situation where that was something that humanity
(36:38):
had access to. But who knows, I mean, pun intended,
but the sky is the limit and and hopefully they
would have insights for us that might help us um
in our struggle to end and you know, starvation, disease, poverty,
all sorts of problems. Yeah, well, Nick, thank you so
(36:59):
much for coming on. I appreciate all the insight and
hopefully we'll we'll get some juicy details and we can
fly up in a UFO together soon, well I hope,
so look forward to it absolutely. Okay, thank you Nick
so much, appreciate it. Sure thing by now. For more
information on UFO, watch UFOs Declassified Live, a three hour
(37:20):
multi platform event beginning at eight pm Eastern five pm
Pacific on Wednesday June Discovery Science Channel and Travel Channel. Okay,
well that was fascinating and um yeah, it's just I'm
not going to be able to sleep tonight because I
don't know if the kids a sleekend, So I don't
think they'll hurt you. They would like love you, see,
(37:42):
like I imagine that they look like the things from
Quiet Place, but that they like they wrap you up
in warm hugs, like they just want to be friends.
Like I can't handle it anymore, Like no more meanness,
no honestly, this is so morbid. Not morbid, but just weird.
I've always wanted to go into the countries that we
(38:05):
have a hard time with and be like, why can't
we just get along? Like what do you need? Like
how can I help? Like like copy from trolls? That's you.
I've never seen from trolls, and I do not like trolls.
What I don't know? What's they're weird? Poppies amazing, not love?
I like the cartoons were not cartoons, but like the movies,
(38:25):
the kids movies, words like Riot, like that's a human being.
I don't know, I'm not like a big The only
one that I like that's not that's Ferdinand, Like how
could you not like Ferdinand? But like everything else, I'm like,
I can't relate to I can't relate to a troll.
I hate rolls. Trolls are made on the internet. I
don't like trolls. I don't want to watch a movie
about trolls. These ones like you know, like just throw
(38:50):
confetti and love and they're sweet? What about toy Story?
What he is? A So it's not my favorite. I'll
be honest with you. It's it's not It's not my favorite,
but he is still a semi person, you know, like
because Woody and Buzz not too much. Mr Potato had
(39:13):
in the Dinersy, that's where you lose me. Yeah, that's
that's where. That's where you honestly lose me. Um. But like,
like up gotta love up. You know. Cars, No, don't
like it. I don't. I don't relate to a car,
you know. It's like it's like, how could I relate
to Oh, sorry you didn't when you raise buddy, Like
but yeah, any any like you know that's a that's
(39:35):
actually a person. Like that's where you're gonna get me,
but you're not gonna literally the only one is Ferdinand.
That's that I like, Babe, huh that's the pig. Oh
that's the best you've even seen it? That's old school.
I mean maybe I shoot, I got ruined talking about
(39:57):
dogs last time, so like she's a terrible person. She
got I'm like, I don't get rid of them. Were
just we're sharing custody, okay people parents, but yeah, I
mean even I mean homeward Bound. I guess it's cute,
but secret life of Pets No, I don't like it. Okay, well,
(40:18):
but I will say this, there is one that's that
I do like, but again very relatable because there it's
a human form. Ish is sing, oh yeah, okay, because
it's so long as they're people if they look like animals.
But then there's trolls aren't real, they're just real and
the Internet Zootopia. Do you like Zutopia? So that's what
(40:44):
I was also going to say, is Utopia to where
it's like, again it's human stuff that look they look
more human. I don't know, Like I don't like the Grinch,
Hate the Grinch, hate the Grine. They don't look like
real people. They look as human as the character. Like
(41:04):
the way they look. They freaked me out. They scared me.
J Cramer hates Who's it's going to be the headline?
I just I don't know. I don't think they're relatable.
I like Janna doesn't relate freak about it? Oh gosh,
(41:25):
I know, like the Simpsons they're yellow when they have
over bites. Is that a problem? I don't get their humors.
I never watched it. I agree, but it's not because
of the humanoid nature of it. You just don't care.
I will say also that too, like you know that
it's just yeah, I don't. I don't like it, Like
it has to be four fingers. Yeah, it has to
be believable to me, you know. I mean, give me
something else, like I'm talking a lad, like even like
(41:47):
Beauting the Beast, like all those are great. You know,
I'm having a tough one with Luca. I've only watched
half of it. Joelian didn't like it. I didn't watch it. Yeah,
I've only I've only gotten through half of it. But
now give me like a movie like Riot, like when
she says I'll take the first step, Like I'm like, oh,
I feel you, sister. Now we just rewatched a Little
(42:09):
Mermaid this week? How do you feel about mermaids? Amazing?
But they live underwater and they have fins. Isn't that
a problem? But she has legs at the end turns
into it. She makes the right decision in the end.
Oh my gosh, Okay, this show is just turned super wacky. Um,
I love you guys. Have a great one.
Wind Down with Jane Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast.
All Right, guys, so welcome to another week of wind Down.
I've got neighbor Pam with me. I'm here. UM, So
I kind of wanted to just throw a curveball on
this podcast. I have had a lot of people, I mean,
there's been a lot of stuff in the news lately,
(00:22):
one being obviously Britney Spears, which I feel bad even
talking about because did you see the documentary I did,
And it's just like, I just want people to leave
her alone, like my heart. I mean, she's just so
scrutinized and it's yeah, like it just I feel bad,
But we are like and I feel like such a hypogram,
(00:44):
leave her alone. Let's talk about it on today and
wind dumb. But I do feel like there's so much
stuff out there, so you know, we just wanted to
get the people on that can just give us some
more understanding because I have a lot of questions around it. UM,
But we're going to have UM an editor, you're an
editor who has been reporting on all things, and then
a lawyer just to kind of catch us up to
(01:06):
speed and help us understand what a conservatorship is. UM.
And also yeah, but I do just feel bad because
I'm I'm friends with her sister, Jamie Lynn. I mean,
Jamie Lynn wrote, um, I got the boy, and I
I texted Jamie when I heard all this stuff um
in the media, and it just you know, I basically
just said, like, I'm praying for you and your family.
(01:28):
I think I know we don't know the full truth
of anything, and so just know that, like I'm here
as a friend, supporting you, caring about you, praying for you.
And she wrote back, you know, a sweet message, and
I'm like, girl, you don't need to say anything. You
don't need to explain nothing to me. Like I'm just
literally saying, we don't know, like y'all like your family,
(01:50):
that is y'all's business. And unfortunately, I can't even imagine,
you know, being in that situation and the things that
like they're being so off to even Jamie Lynn, and
I'm like, it's just like there's a lot that we
probably don't know. I mean, they're just a family in pain,
just like a lot of us have, you know, these
situations with families, but like nobody looks at them like
(02:13):
that and they don't get that grace or that you know,
understanding your kindness and it's sad. Yeah, and so again
I'm sure there's Again I'm sure there's a lot we
don't know. And you know, my friendship to Jamie, I
would never ever dare to even ask, and that's not
my business. And that's why I'm like, I feel bad
talking about her sister because we're friends. But again, I
(02:33):
think it's just I don't even know what it is.
I mean I feel like, you know, it's like, what
are her rights and like if somebody is being you know,
how you can have kids Like I think that's where
it kind of struck us, as like you know, being
women and them saying that she can't get the iu
D removed or get married. I mean, that's where that's crazy.
(02:58):
So we're gonna have Ashley Editor coming on very soon.
And then also I'm gonna throw a little curveball because
when I was on Daily Pop, apparently the government is
going to disclose that there are UFOs what so for that,
(03:19):
I know, so um, all things Brittany and UFOs coming
up next. Okay, So to kind of help break this
down a little bit, since I mean I've only just
(03:40):
seen what I've read and heard and stuff. But we
have Ashley Collins, who's actually the business editor for the
Hollywood Reporter, who's reporting on all things Brittany. So let's
get her in and let's chat about it. Ashley, thank
you so much for coming on wind Down. Okay, can
you just get us up to speed on all things Brittany.
So in the Brittany conservatorship world, people had always kind
(04:04):
of speculated whether or not she was okay with the arrangement. Uh,
closest sources close to her would say that she was unhappy.
The fans would be dissecting every little thing, very little thing. Yeah,
even you know, I was watching when I was watching
that documentary too, it's like, Wow, They're like she said
this word or it's like put this. I'm like, that's
(04:26):
like they really went deep into it. Yeah, she posted
three red pictures in a row. This is an s
OS Like her Instagram was like an Easter egg hunt
for people who were trying to figure out whether or
not she was okay. And so this week was the
first time she's ever publicly talked about it, and we
think that this is the first time that she talked
(04:48):
about it. So in the fall, a few things happened,
there was a push to make her dad less involved
and share sort of the business aspect of the conservatorship up.
And also her lawyer said in a filing for what
I believe was the first time that this has been
voluntary this whole time, And so I think that may
(05:12):
have been when she found out that it was voluntary,
based on some of the things she said this week,
and I think she was just done and ready to
speak her side of the story. I guess I just
don't understand, like, how how I mean, at thirty nine,
could she even be involved in a conservatorship because isn't
(05:33):
it mostly for people who are a lot older and
can't speak or Yeah, it's very confusing for a lot
of reasons. It's been going on for a long time,
and I think part of the issue is this hasn't
really happened before, at least not to anyone high profile.
(05:55):
There are I'm sure people who are similarly situated who
we don't hear about because the private people. But you're right,
this is generally something that is put into place to
help older individuals as they start to physically and mentally decline,
and typically these end when that person dies. And so
(06:20):
having somebody who's been in a situation like this one
out of it isn't something that happens very often. So
what do you think that will we hear from Jamie
a side the dad on why or you know what
her because you know, I mean, I if I'm watching
her Instagram, she's clearly not the Brittany that I've grew
(06:43):
up with. I mean, she seems you know, I I don't.
I don't know, like I don't know you know her
health or what her um mental state is. I mean,
is there something where that will come out to be like, hey,
this is in her best interest to not have another baby,
you or even though I don't think it's right to
have anyone control their body, having said that, if they're
(07:05):
not physically capable, Like, I don't know, Yeah, the Instagram
situation is strange. I agree that it doesn't seem like her,
and it'll be interesting to see how that changes moving forward,
like if her posts do become a little bit more
like what we would expect from her, and maybe this
(07:27):
was just a cry for help the whole time. I'll
be interested to see what her dad says now. Because
they took a twenty minute recess so that his side
could comment, and then it was like a lame, one sentence,
I'm sorry she feels this way. Basically, the medical stuff
is interesting and very sad, and it could very well
(07:51):
be that they're in a situation where she does want
to have another kid and her family is questioning whether
or not she should do that. But again, like they do,
do they do like yearly mental evaluations or something like
who is saying and how are they saying that she's incapable?
So the tough that's a tough question because there is
(08:16):
a court of investigator assigned to Brittany who's basically her
job is to make sure that this is working for her.
Those reports are confidential, so we don't know other than
seeing on the docket. It will pop up, but there's
no way to tell what they found. So The New
(08:36):
York Times referenced one from a couple of weeks ago
in a story earlier this week that was leaked, and
she told the investigator then that she wanted to get out,
and the investigator passed that information along, but apparently they
determined at the time that it wasn't right. I don't
think Brittany formally petitioned to get out of it, but
she at least made her wishes known then, and so
(08:59):
now she's saying she out and she doesn't want them
to do any kind of psych evaluation because she feels
like she's seeing too many strange therapists and psychiatrists. And
yet it may be tough for her to prove that
she's ready to run her own life without taking that step.
But she's still working and like making her own money. Yeah,
(09:22):
so she's what is she working on? Because she says
she's not gonna tour and obviously she's gonna have she's
you know, I think over the past however many years
it's been twenty year, I don't know, fifteen years that
it's been, she's worked that whole. How long has the
conservaship it's worked the entire time? Um, I mean that's
(09:44):
showing capability. The only thing is is like I look
back and it's like, okay, thirteen years from then. Again,
just watching her Instagram, it just seems like she has
continued to mentally maybe not be there in my like
this is where I'm just this would be terrible. But
like I'm like, what are they giving her? Are they
(10:05):
giving her these pills or are they giving her something
to like make her like which is just awful to
think about. But you think, you know, I mean, look
at Michael Jackson or or wasn't what didn't he get
like fed pills? I mean, you see these people that
are just given things because they're under this. They either
trust the doctor or they trust this you know, their
father or whatever. It's like you just you don't. I
(10:27):
don't know, it's just but watching the decline has been
like super sad. Obviously as someone you know, a huge,
huge fan of her and the whole situation, and she
seemed way more together when this first happened. So that's
where I just some kind of like, uh, yeah, it's
a tough situation. And obviously she feels like the people
around her weren't listening to her and weren't doing what
(10:50):
was in her best interest. But I would like to
believe that they at least thought they were. But part
of the issue here is anytime you're dealing with mental health.
First of all, I don't want to diagnose her um,
but she said this week that she knows she doesn't
at least need some therapy, that there's stuff going on
who doesn't. We're all we all have. Sometimes people in
(11:16):
that situation immediately turned to medication, and not every medication
is right for every person, and so it could have
been a situation where they're like, Okay, well she's not
getting quote unquote better, so let's try more or let's
try different, instead of listening to what she said wasn't
(11:37):
wasn't working. Yeah, I mean, I just I had a
similar A friend was telling me about like this intervention
they had on one of these artists who they just
they tried one thing, one pill, and the doctor just
kept giving the medicine. Because it's like when you get
these rock docks, they'll just give you. I mean, I
could call a doctor and be like, hey I need
and they're like, okay, great, they don't they don't really
see what else you're taking or this and then the other,
(11:59):
so it's like they're sometimes they just keep adding and
finally they're like you can't even walk on stage, like
you like you got to clean out all this stuff.
And so it's just scary and like, yeah, of course,
like like you said, like you want to hope that
someone is doing it for their best interest, but when
there's I don't know again, I'm like, maybe it's just
because where I'm at my life, I'm like hard time
(12:21):
trusting anyone right now. But I'm like with all that money,
and I don't know, like how do they decide, I mean,
if they can, they can be reversed, and like when
would we will we know anything? So there's not like
a hard deadline, but there is a hearing set for
next month. I can't remember the date off the top
of my head, and I'm sure that the judge is
going to ask for some kind of status update because
(12:43):
her response was Okay, well, clearly you want out of this,
like please put it in writing. But there was also
a bit of a discussion about her wanting to hire
her own lawyer, which is complicated because in the conservatorship,
like the conservatorship has to hire her lawyer, so which
actually makes no sense because I mean, she should be
able to hire her own like, so then the institution
(13:04):
that is, you know, she's she should be able to
have her own lawyer. Yeah, And the tricky thing is, though,
if they decide that she's well enough to have her
a lawyer, then that kind of immediately answers the question
as to whether she's well enough to be in this situation.
So I'm this hasn't happened before, at least not in
(13:25):
the public eye, So I would expect that in the
next couple of weeks will see some kind of a
petition filed. I don't know how her family is going
to react to it. I don't know if there I'm
gonna just say, Okay, let's let you out of it
and see what happens, or if they're going to want
(13:47):
her to be evaluated to make sure that she's ready,
because I think if they thought she was, they would
have said, okay, it's time to end this. But again,
not who knows what's going on in any of their heads.
It just makes me sad again the you know, we're
hearing that she couldn't have another kid or get married.
(14:08):
It's like that that broke my heart because it's who
for anybody to be restricted from that just cruel. It's
just yeah, that that that, like, of all the stuff
I was like that one just I mean, I can't
even imagine like that. That's just awful. But I mean, where,
what are what are your kind of like final thoughts
(14:29):
on this? Actually, Like do you think you know because
you don't know. Like you said, it's never it's never
been like this. Do you think that she you know,
she she will be able to get out even though
it's never been like this. I hope so, because it's
clearly not working for her, and the point of this
(14:51):
is to help the person, right, So if her family
wants to help her and the people around her want
to help her, and she's saying, this isn't helping me,
this is making things worse, then you would hope they
would find some way to end it while still maybe
giving her some kind of support. You know, I don't
(15:12):
know what that looks like. I I would imagine that
this will be messy. I unfortunately do not think this
is going to be a clean like she files one
petition and her family says great, and the investigator says great,
and then it's just done. I expect that this is
going to drag out for a little bit. But I
(15:32):
hope that everyone involved is at least being mindful of
what she said this week and actually you know, hearing
just listening. Yeah, they need to listen to her too,
and yeah, and put things into action. And it just
makes me sad, Like from watching that documentary too, it's
just everyone. And I even't feel bad at having this conversation.
It's like everyone's always just talking about her and like,
(15:55):
you know, picking on her, and it's just her life
is just spin. I remember actually sat on an airplane
next to Larry her at the time. It was her
um manager um, and he was just like, look over
and he's told me that you know, he worked with
Britney Spears, and he's like, look right out the window
airplane window right now. He's like, every single person knows
(16:18):
who Britney Spears. Is not one person out there does
not know who she is. And I'm like, man, like,
just having America Ripper apart and again watching that documentary,
I just felt I felt awful for It's like, can
people just stop controlling her? And yeah, that's why she
lost her mind. I mean, you got a jug right here.
I mean she's Hamlin's got a mug that says Britney
(16:39):
survived two thousand seven, you can survive today. It's like,
you know, I mean, she's I feel terribly. Let her
just live her life. Life is hard enough without everyone
in the world having an opinion about how you're living yours.
Amen to that. Well, actually, thank you so much for
coming on and keep giving us the real news. Okay,
I will thanks, all right, thanks. Okay, Now we are
(17:00):
going to bring on Benny, and Benny is a she's
a lawyer, UM last fifteen years, so we're going to
just kind of ask her on the law side, um,
what she thinks about all of this. Hey, how are
you good? How are you guys good? Thank you so
much for coming on. Wine down. So we just got
(17:22):
off with Ashley. He was a reporter that's been kind
of following all the Britney stuff and on the law side,
we just have so many questions, So if it's cool,
can we just jump right on in absolutely? Okay? How
can a thirty nine year old be in a conservatorship?
So basically there's a triggering event um, which was her
um what a lot of people call like, you know,
(17:44):
psychiatric breakdown thirteen years ago where um, you know, this
was like right after she had had her babies, and
you know, the documentary that that we all saw sort
of explains that UM and typically conservator ships are literally
to concern of a human being when there is a
threat that they cannot you know, manage their own personal
(18:07):
decisions and their own financial affairs. So the court literally
appoints another person UM to manage that those decisions so
that the person who is being conserved, called the conservative
UM is conserved and UM, you know, they're they're protected
(18:28):
from basically a host of bad things that can happen
to them. And typically the conservatorship you know, last until
like the person dies, because it's usually for like older people.
And so that's why I think this case is kind
of a little bit more unique. Absolutely, you you hit
(18:51):
the nail right on the head there. UM. Traditionally and
commonly conservatorships are for for elderly disabled adult olds UM.
And so this is a case that is very unusual
in that UM, what started out as potentially UM a
temporary measure to protect her has turned into like a
(19:12):
very restrictive UM life long you know, like commitment UM
to be conserved and have somebody else make the decisions
for you UM. And certainly, I think normally the way
a conservatorship terminates is when a person dies. So this
case raises a question of she's thirty nine years old
(19:35):
and hopefully she has many many many decades ahead of her,
and is she going to be under this conservatorship until
she dies. Clearly, um, you know that's problematic from a
standpoint of somebody who potentially had an issue and needed
to be conserved but no longer UM needs that. This
is probably I have to really stupid questions. One she
(19:58):
said she had an I U d M and she
just go to the guy in cologist herself and be like,
take my I D out because like it's not like
she walks around with her conservatorship paperwork saying like, well
it says right here that I have to keep this
in Like can she just be like enough f that,
like I want this I D out. So it's it's
really it's it's not a dumb question. Actually, that's something
(20:20):
that really struck out to me when reading her transcript,
is that important reproductive choices. We're being like the conservatorship
controls her rights, uh you know, her like reproductive rights,
which uh it seems you know, really unusual. And the
other like really unusual aspect of it is. Um. So,
(20:43):
so I don't know that I don't have all the
information to exactly answer that question about whether she has
that freedom. Certainly, based on her words, she does not
at least feel like she has that freedom or she's
been told she doesn't have that freedom to just deny
that and say no, I don't want, you know, this
device that prevents me from procreating. UM. The other unusual
(21:05):
aspect of it when I read the interview was, you know,
she mentioned being administered lithium. And from my uh, you
know knowledge of the law and conservatorships is that you
cannot force someone to take a psychiatric medication without a
different type of conservatorship like those are usually called LPs conservatorships.
(21:27):
And I'll admit that I'm not really familiar with all
the details of this particular conservatorship, but to my knowledge,
at least what's publicly available I'm not aware of, they're
also being an LPs conservatorship over um MS spears. Do
you do you think she'll be able to get out? Um?
(21:47):
You know, I think that nobody can doubt, you know,
the eloquent and powerful way in which she delivered her
statement to the court. I do believe that. UM. You know,
she has definitely started that conversation and saying something like
I didn't know that I could terminate this conservatorship. UM.
(22:08):
You know the best thing about this particular cases that
it happens to be before a judge that is amazing.
I mean, she's probably one of the best judges on
in the probate court in Los Angeles, So she is
not going to let a statement like that go without
actually exploring to see, you know, what needs to happen, like,
(22:29):
do do restrictions need to be lifted? Does this conservatorship
need to be terminated? Like all of those conversations have
now started and are well underway. Another really stupid question,
but because the conservatorship was her father, you know, her
father was the person doing it, isn't I mean, he's
(22:50):
a guardian. So it's like, I mean, why would you
have to put a conservatorship when you're a parent, Because
when you guardianships are from in her children, your parents
is your minor. And then when you're an adult and
if you need to be conserved and somebody needs to
be made your decision, then you become a conservatore to
(23:12):
to be able to have that official authority. Got it,
got it, got it? Got it? Well, thanks for your insight.
I really appreciate it. Yeah, you know your stuff. Of
course we're gonna have We're gonna have you back on.
We got some more law questions for you. Sure, okay,
all right by girl. Well, I just because how do
(23:34):
I say? It's in my twisted movie brain and I'm like, oh,
he's probably paying off the judges. He's gonna pay off
this person, because it's just I think money ruins families
for sure. But I just hope and pray that whatever
is meant to be, and I just hope that she
gets the help, she gets what she wants, and there's
(23:56):
just support because I mean, again, we don't know the
full the full situation. I think, you know, the very least.
Just people just need to listen to her words. Yes,
very well said. Okay, it's the moment we've all been
waiting for. Um UFOs pamelin Do you think they are real? Yes? Yes?
(24:18):
Oh my god. I thought for sure you're gonna say no.
And I was like, oh, here we go. I do
you do you think there's so many like unexplained weird
things that have happened that that's the answer for me.
So if you think there's UFOs, that means that there's aliens.
So what kind of like, wow, do you which alien
(24:40):
do you? Because there's been a lot of alien movies,
So what does that alien look like to you, like
who's flying the UFO flying the ship? Right? I mean
I think it's Tom Cruise. Is it like the it's
a similar like similar to human? Oh you think it's
human like not like they like Rihanna, they resemble humans,
(25:06):
but like you know, like a body in arms and
that kind of thing. Okay, So like if we're talking
um Will Smith Independence Day, is it like body arms
like that or do you think it really has like
our kind of flesh? And I mean I think it's
more it's just like you know what, I'm visualizing my head.
Who who am I to even? Like no, but I
(25:27):
just like visualized like it really almost like an like
they're a hundred years old looking, you know what I mean,
just like really like thin and like just Crawley, I
don't know. Do you think people have been abducted by aliens?
I mean people say they have listen to their words,
(25:49):
listen to their words, like who are we to say? True?
I mean the guy and again Independence Day, he was
he saw it coming. I one thousand percent believe that
there's aliens. I'm I believe in all of it. I
believe in ghosts, I believe in area what what's the
area fifty fifty something? You are together? That's Oh, I
(26:20):
think it's something like that. That's area fifty one. I think, well,
I believe the government has been hiding that stuff for
us for years. Yeah, Area fifty one. I mean, so
I'm like, where is it? Let's go do it? Um Mark,
do you believe in aliens? I believe in aliens in
the grand sense of the universe, Like if the universe
is intimate, I don't believe it's possible that there couldn't
(26:41):
be some other form of life somewhere, just by the
definition of infinity. But I don't know that. I believe
that we've been visited, and I don't know. I think
it might be like, you know, if you picture a
beach and we're a grain of sand in Huntington's Beach
and the aliens are on a grain of sand in
Newport Beach, like they're never going to find each other.
(27:02):
You know, it's like that kind of a situation Easton.
I like the idea of them, but I don't know
if I I just feel like, um, we must be
so primitive to any anything that has the ability to
come to Earth, Like I feel like it would be like, uh,
why why make like I'm not out there trying to
(27:22):
make contact with the squirrel on my on my fence,
you know, because he has nothing to offer me. So
I feel like, I don't know. I feel like they're
out there, but they're not going to bother Earth because
it's like, what do we have for them? You know, everything,
every ever anything. We've got food, we've got technology, we've
got Earth. I mean even Jolie said the other just
like I love our planet, Like our planet is great,
(27:45):
it's great, Yeah, but like for an elevated life for him,
I mean, they must have bigger fish to fry, that's
what stuff. Yeah, oh they want they want that. Do
we know that? I mean they're probably, Yeah, they're insane,
amnicable of aret eating all those tiros, you know, like
they're they're they're loving it. Although I feel like they
look like the ones from Oh God it was It
(28:08):
wasn't an be a quiet place. That's that's how I imagine.
I did see a thing in the news where they're
like extraterrestrials are probably landed on Earth. But get this,
their bacteria and they're single cells, and I'm like, that's stupid. Yeah,
that's lame. That's uninteresting. Yeah, that's super uninteresting because obviously,
(28:28):
like I, I believe in that stuff too. But I
do think that we are not alone. I agree, oh um,
but we have a UFO. I think he's like a
specialist on the UFOs. He's his name is Nick Pope
and he's a former UK Ministry of Defense employee. So um,
he goes on record and talks all about his beliefs
(28:50):
and opinions and um, he's a basically a UFO investigator.
So I'm very interested to see, uh what he has
to say about that, because when that came up on
Daily Pop, I was like, yes, I want to know more. Um,
so coming up. I love Nick Pope. Do you love
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Listen to I Am all In wherever you listen to podcasts. Nick, Yes, Hello,
(30:02):
Oh my gosh, I'm hello. Oh the accent. Yes, Hillo,
it's so nice to meet you. Likewise likewise, So, we
were just having the great debate about UFOs, and I've
been told that the government is going to release some
UFO information. Do you know anything about that? Yes, it
(30:26):
is supposed to be today. Stop really yeah, absolutely, Um,
there are rumors flying around, there are leaks coming out
of Washington d C. I mean, this report was requested
from Director of National Intelligence by the Senate Intelligence Committee,
and today is the deadline. So if it's any later
(30:49):
than today, they will have missed that deadline. So we'll
watch and wait and hope. I mean, you obviously believe
in UFOs, and have you seen a UFO Sadly, I've
never seen anything myself, but I have investigated them for
the British government and that's a job I did at
(31:09):
the Ministry of Defense in the nineties. So so I'm
I'm fascinated by this subject to me, and they can
be few bigger or more profound questions than are we
alone or not in the universe? And if we're not alone,
my goodness, are we being visited? Have you what? What
did you find from your investigations? Like that there that
it is? There is, it's out there? Um, there's just
(31:31):
something that you found that you would love to share
about your investigation. Well, sadly, we didn't find a smoking gun,
so I can't point you to any one piece of
evidence that says this is a extraterrestrial But we had,
and the US government has, and that's why I guess
(31:53):
we're getting this report to Congress. A number of cases
where these things have been seen by military pilots, tracked
on radar, performing extraordinary speeds and maneuvers that we simply
can't match. And obviously people are saying to themselves, look,
whatever is going on, it's a figure out. Is it
(32:16):
Russia or is it kinda or is it somewhere a
little further away. We need to find out. I mean,
do you do you believe that an alien is flying
that UFL? I hope so of of I mean aliens.
Aliens would be far more interesting than Russians. So of
(32:43):
all the theories that are out there, I think it's
the most intriguing. And I'm not sure this report just
because governments just don't come out and say, hey, people,
there's aliens. So I'm not sure that this report to
Congress is going to say that. It will probably say, well,
we haven't found any evidence, but neither can we rule
(33:03):
out the possibility we need to ramp up the effort
to figure out what's going on in ours guys, if
and when that happens. What would you like to Ben? Like,
what would you ask him? Like this is so weird,
Like what would you want to know from like the
alien species? Like what would be like the one thing
like if you could like communicate with them, that would
(33:24):
you would like want to know? I think if I
could have just one question, I would say to them,
what he is the most profound thing you have learned
from your journey as a civilization. I would just speak insane,
(33:45):
like I just hope they're nice, you know, like they go.
If if they're not, we're in big trouble. Because, frankly,
I mean, any any civilization with the technology to get
here from there. Given the it, even our fastest space probes,
if we'd aimed them at the nearest star aside from
(34:07):
our own son, it would take seventy five thousand years
to get there. So any civilization that's visiting us has
technology orders of magnitude above and beyond anything we've got,
so absolutely we'd better hope they're friendly, because if they're not,
we're in big trouble. I mean when you say that, though,
I'm kind of like, how is that really possible? Though,
(34:30):
that like that far away there's I mean, I always
think that we're not, like, we're not alone. I do
believe that, But the fact that there's this other technology
that's light years away, I mean, do you really truly
think that's a possibility? Yes, I think so, There's there's
nothing unless we thought that planet Earth was almost literally magical,
(34:53):
I mean, and the more we find out about ourselves
and the wider universe actually more ordinary. We leok, just
just an ordinary, rocky little planet orbiting a fairly ordinary
little star. And and there are hundreds of billions of
stars just in our one galaxy, and then hundreds of
(35:14):
billions of galaxies in the universe. You know, there was
a scientific study last year and it was just a guess,
and it came in with a really low number, and
it said there might only be only thirty six alien
civilizations in our galaxy. And then I did the math
(35:36):
and I said, wait a minute, that means that in
the known universe there would be seventy two trillion civilizations.
And my goodness, look, if we just find one other civilization,
it's such a game changer that that it would be
beyond profound. That's what would science be able to like
(35:57):
learn from that? I mean, what's like, why are we
obsessed with, you know, knowing about it just because we
can learn so much from how their civilization works? Yes,
I think so. I mean one of the things that
we hopefully would learn is the secret of a viable
interstellar travel, so that we too could travel between the
(36:17):
stars and visit other civilizations and not be in a
situation where where it would just take it, as I say,
seventy five thousand years to get to the nearest one.
So so I'd love to acquire that technology, I suppose,
and have a situation where that was something that humanity
(36:38):
had access to. But who knows, I mean, pun intended,
but the sky is the limit and and hopefully they
would have insights for us that might help us um
in our struggle to end and you know, starvation, disease, poverty,
all sorts of problems. Yeah, well, Nick, thank you so
(36:59):
much for coming on. I appreciate all the insight and
hopefully we'll we'll get some juicy details and we can
fly up in a UFO together soon, well I hope,
so look forward to it absolutely. Okay, thank you Nick
so much, appreciate it. Sure thing by now. For more
information on UFO, watch UFOs Declassified Live, a three hour
(37:20):
multi platform event beginning at eight pm Eastern five pm
Pacific on Wednesday June Discovery Science Channel and Travel Channel. Okay,
well that was fascinating and um yeah, it's just I'm
not going to be able to sleep tonight because I
don't know if the kids a sleekend, So I don't
think they'll hurt you. They would like love you, see,
(37:42):
like I imagine that they look like the things from
Quiet Place, but that they like they wrap you up
in warm hugs, like they just want to be friends.
Like I can't handle it anymore, Like no more meanness,
no honestly, this is so morbid. Not morbid, but just weird.
I've always wanted to go into the countries that we
(38:05):
have a hard time with and be like, why can't
we just get along? Like what do you need? Like
how can I help? Like like copy from trolls? That's you.
I've never seen from trolls, and I do not like trolls.
What I don't know? What's they're weird? Poppies amazing, not love?
I like the cartoons were not cartoons, but like the movies,
(38:25):
the kids movies, words like Riot, like that's a human being.
I don't know, I'm not like a big The only
one that I like that's not that's Ferdinand, Like how
could you not like Ferdinand? But like everything else, I'm like,
I can't relate to I can't relate to a troll.
I hate rolls. Trolls are made on the internet. I
don't like trolls. I don't want to watch a movie
about trolls. These ones like you know, like just throw
(38:50):
confetti and love and they're sweet? What about toy Story?
What he is? A So it's not my favorite. I'll
be honest with you. It's it's not It's not my favorite,
but he is still a semi person, you know, like
because Woody and Buzz not too much. Mr Potato had
(39:13):
in the Dinersy, that's where you lose me. Yeah, that's
that's where. That's where you honestly lose me. Um. But like,
like up gotta love up. You know. Cars, No, don't
like it. I don't. I don't relate to a car,
you know. It's like it's like, how could I relate
to Oh, sorry you didn't when you raise buddy, Like
but yeah, any any like you know that's a that's
(39:35):
actually a person. Like that's where you're gonna get me,
but you're not gonna literally the only one is Ferdinand.
That's that I like, Babe, huh that's the pig. Oh
that's the best you've even seen it? That's old school.
I mean maybe I shoot, I got ruined talking about
(39:57):
dogs last time, so like she's a terrible person. She
got I'm like, I don't get rid of them. Were
just we're sharing custody, okay people parents, but yeah, I
mean even I mean homeward Bound. I guess it's cute,
but secret life of Pets No, I don't like it. Okay, well,
(40:18):
but I will say this, there is one that's that
I do like, but again very relatable because there it's
a human form. Ish is sing, oh yeah, okay, because
it's so long as they're people if they look like animals.
But then there's trolls aren't real, they're just real and
the Internet Zootopia. Do you like Zutopia? So that's what
(40:44):
I was also going to say, is Utopia to where
it's like, again it's human stuff that look they look
more human. I don't know, Like I don't like the Grinch,
Hate the Grinch, hate the Grine. They don't look like
real people. They look as human as the character. Like
(41:04):
the way they look. They freaked me out. They scared me.
J Cramer hates Who's it's going to be the headline?
I just I don't know. I don't think they're relatable.
I like Janna doesn't relate freak about it? Oh gosh,
(41:25):
I know, like the Simpsons they're yellow when they have
over bites. Is that a problem? I don't get their humors.
I never watched it. I agree, but it's not because
of the humanoid nature of it. You just don't care.
I will say also that too, like you know that
it's just yeah, I don't. I don't like it, Like
it has to be four fingers. Yeah, it has to
be believable to me, you know. I mean, give me
something else, like I'm talking a lad, like even like
(41:47):
Beauting the Beast, like all those are great. You know,
I'm having a tough one with Luca. I've only watched
half of it. Joelian didn't like it. I didn't watch it. Yeah,
I've only I've only gotten through half of it. But
now give me like a movie like Riot, like when
she says I'll take the first step, Like I'm like, oh,
I feel you, sister. Now we just rewatched a Little
(42:09):
Mermaid this week? How do you feel about mermaids? Amazing?
But they live underwater and they have fins. Isn't that
a problem? But she has legs at the end turns
into it. She makes the right decision in the end.
Oh my gosh, Okay, this show is just turned super wacky. Um,
I love you guys. Have a great one.
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