December 2, 2024 • 38 mins
Being a mom can be overwhelming, but Jana is getting real about motherhood with Sadie Robertson Huff from Duck Dynasty!
Sadie opens up about how she recovered from a panic attack by connecting with her faith through prayer, and we learn how her life improved when she stopped making plans.
Plus, Jana reveals a major project she’s always wanted to start!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Oh, Catherine, I'm excited for today's episode. You know, I
was driving and there was something that came up for
me and I was I wanted to just frame the
question to you, what is something in your day that
you are not prioritizing that you know you need to prioritize.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh, I could come up with a couple of things,
let's hear them. Okay, Obviously working out he was doing
so good for so long. But what you want to
do well, I mean I want to want to.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I want you to want to do I want.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
One hundred percent that's I need the I want the
watch to do that. No, but for sure, definitely I
haven't been doing my Bible study in the morning. That
is definitely one that I could do better at.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
What else that's really it? I think?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Mostly what about you?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I'm just curious on the working out thing though, too,
because you did do you were doing you were doing
pans Dam for how many weeks? Was it was like good?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I did it for the three months three months?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, And it's like I think you like you said
like you wanted to want to want to work out.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Well, I wanted to like, this is terrible because I
know that, like I wanted to be like that person
that when I did that, I was like, oh, I
have to have it, and I just didn't never feel
that way. I mean, I was fine when I was
doing it, and I felt good about myself when I
was doing it, but it wasn't like a mental release
for me. It wasn't like that mental time, you know,
(01:41):
or whatever. So it wasn't like I felt like I
needed it to be like in the right headspace. Is
maybe why I don't feel like but I do feel
not as strong now. It's just it wasn't like a
mental thing for me where I think a lot of
people it mentally, you know, I like, yeah, and I'm
realizing I think that that's why it wasn't this like
(02:03):
I have to have it as much because that wasn't
my mental release is better off with Like I can
be fine with that at the end of the day,
just reading a book or watching TV or sitting down
by myself.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
So then then why would you want to add it back?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well, because I need to for my health and I've
gained back way, which is fine. I'm not like down
on myself about it, but at the same time, I
would love to have that motivation back to get it
back and to feel stronger. I was definitely feeling stronger
lifting weights and I did enjoy that, So I mean,
I definitely plan on getting back to it.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I just need that motivation back.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
It's an interesting thought though, because if it's like, if
it's not something that you enjoy or want to do,
most people then probably won't make the time then to
do something I don't enjoy or want.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
And that's me.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, but I think we could all probably agree with
working out, Like, whether you want to or not, we
kind of need to for our health.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
They say, well, here's the thing though, They say, like, sure,
there's all the studies about weightlifting and all that stuff
is good for you, but they also say just getting
ten thousand steps is really good, right, so you enjoy walking. Yeah,
So maybe that's the switch where it's like, yeah, okay, yes,
there are there benefits to lifting weights, sure, but if
you're going to pick one, which walking is so good
(03:25):
for your heart health, yeah, and you're cardiovascular and your
energy and your stress, like go for a thirty minute.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Walk, Yeah, that's like that, and it's even ten.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Thousand steps, Like, well, I know they say ten thousand,
but like thirty minute walks?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Would you take a thirty minute walk? At least?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
For me, if I would take at least a thirty
minute walk a day, I would usually hit close to that.
But I ye, yeah absolutely, so like yeah, so no,
that's a good point. I mean, and I do think
that in a way. Society has also kind of like
made me feel like I have to want to work out,
you know, but I'm kind of at a place where
I'm like, you're right, that's a very good point. Like
(04:01):
I could go walk and it would get for me,
it got longer. I started with thirty minute walk, but
it would end up getting longer because I did enjoy
that time.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, so maybe that's.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Where because A you can be by yourself, you can
be on your phone, yeah you can, you know, like absolutely,
and you can get sometimes I'll do I'll just go
on the treadmill, or I'll do emails or work like
I know, I save certain things for the walk. But
I think for you, like and anyone else like and
for me too, like that is so good. Just do
(04:31):
that every day, right, right, No, prioritize that, Yeah, good point.
You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Thanks to check in.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
When do we check in? Because there should be checks
and balances?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yes, absolutely, Well it's cooling off, so that helps me.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I like to walk in the cold, which is weird,
but I hate walking in the heat.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
So yeah, I mean, let's start next week.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I mean, if you want to a walking partner, like,
I love to.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Walk, so I'd like to do that.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Like she's like, I like that alone, and then that's.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's just me being honest.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Mostly I do like to walk alone, but there are
two times I love to walk, like if I haven't
seen you in a while, Yeah, we can catch up
on so much in a thirty minute walk.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I mean I mean literally she's like wait, what what what?
I was like yeah, And then.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
I do look forward to those when I'm in the
mood to get all the catch up stuff right and
like I haven't talked to Dan a while, and like,
so much has happened in your world when we.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Go on a walk.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, so yeah, okay, so we saw soa Yeah, but
what's the what's the checks and balances?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I don't know, like in a in a month? Do
we check back? On December eighteenth, and say sure, and
then maybe you know what's great. You know how we
love to check things off. Yeah, you should put walk
in your calendar every day. Then you can then.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Show that's what I was doing with my walks and
workouts before. Okay, but what am I checking you on?
What do you want to I'm great, No, they don't
have something.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
No, I know.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And that's the thing, because I'm like, I like, you know,
that's like I need that from my mental even if
it's just walking. Like I only do weights three to
four times a week, three mostly, and then I run too,
and then the.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Other yeah, and then I run and then I walk.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
And then so basically you do a lot. No, no, no,
that's great.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
No, but like I have to at least walk every
day no matter what. Like that's just for my own
like for everyone's sake. But I was thinking about in
the car because at the end of the day, there's
just always seems to be things that I didn't do
or I didn't finish, and I think, so, yeah, I
(06:44):
prioritize the working out, which is great, but there's other
things that I want to do, like the nonprofits and
the the you know, organization stuff, and it's like I
keep putting stuff aside that I actually want to do
because I don't have the time. But I'm not making
the time because I'm like, well, I make the time
for working out, which then just got me in the
whole conversation of of you know, what we prioritize versus
(07:05):
what we don't right right, you know?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
So yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
We all put things off that we know we need
to do or even kind of want to want to do.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I want to do it, like I'm so like it's
something I really want to do. Is But I think
sometimes too, when something feels overwhelming, like maybe working out
and walking to you might seem been something like that,
you know, starting this foundation and how it's like it
feels overwhelming. So something feels overwhelming and you're like, oh
I want to but I.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
It's kind of like where do you start?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, and that is that seems so so like for
that that like makes sense starting a foundation, Where do
I even start? Where do I I have definitely felt
that way with working out, where do I even start?
Or if I start, like oh my god, I have
to start like with you know, so it's just everyone's
overwhelming is different for it exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
And there's not one that's like even said like I
know it's yeah, but they're they're not like it's all
the same thing truly. So I just thought it was
a topic of conversation.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Like I wanted to off my stuff though, because I
need to start.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, it's I need to just start something where it's
I feel like I'm you know, helping people on a
whether it's just like yeah, you know, I'll damn people
that have damned me because you know they'll reach out,
but I just I want it on a more of
a scale of helping more people, so you know, I
(08:24):
don't know, just check in maybe see if I've done something.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Sure month to will that feel like work to you
or no?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So like yes and no no, because I will want
I like I have like this dream where I'm like
maybe I'll do like that subscribe or not subscribing, but
I'll do something where it's like once a month, I
can like zoom with remember I asked you about zoom.
I could like zoom with like under people a month
and then they can share their stories because I feel
like when survivors or people are going through a divorce
(08:51):
or they can like we can all get in a room,
then you feel better. I think I would love it,
but then I'll also be like, oh god, then things
get really busy, and then I'm gonna then then that's
where it feels like work, and I don't want feel
like work right, So that's why I want to wait
almost too to like get it right so that it
doesn't feel like work. It feels like it's something out.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
That's what I was going to say, have the want.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
But I have the pull of I got too much
on the play right now.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
You need to do, in my opinion, do something that
does not feel like work. Yeah, because I think for
you it's kind of like you have time to prioritizing
working out for you personally, but that's it.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Otherwise you feel like you should be working or being
a mom.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, and that's where I think it would be key
for you if it didn't feel like work.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Thanks well on this. We have Sadie robertson huff Did
you watch her on duck Dynasty?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Not all of it, but yeah, some of it, Okay,
I like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I think I watch like an episode or.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah it's yeah, it was good because it's a great family.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, but she's got a new book out called The
Next Step, Fifty Devotions to Find Your Way Forward. And
she's very obviously active on our social media and her faith,
which we love to talk about on here. So let's
take a break and then get her on.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Hi friend, Hi, how are you? I'm great? Thanks so
much for having me on.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
You're just like the cutest you really are. You're just
like so cute. Your family's cute, You're cute. Like it's
just like your message is cute. Everything's just really cute
about you. And it's like, is there anything into skeletons
in your closet, like, give me something.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
We're all human, Yes, absolutely, but that's so kind. I
appreciate it. Thank you, You're so sweet.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I'm jan and this is this is my girl Catherine,
and we'll just dive right on in. It's funny that
you say, you know, we're all human, because I was
just listening to church yesterday. My son is in a
weird kind of nap age right now, so we don't
go to church on Sundays because of his nap schedule.
So I've just usually like we'll work out or run,
(11:01):
and so I was running on Sunday and listening to
the to the pastor speak, and he was basically saying,
He's like, if you don't stand up and say that
you're the biggest sinner in the room, like you're lying.
He's like, we all we all sin and we all have,
you know, our stuff we have to work on. And
it's the people that are kind of being like, no,
I'm perfect. Everything's great. And I think it's hard because
you know, even when we go to people's Instagram page
(11:22):
and we see all the things they're doing, everything just
looks so perfect that sometimes when you start to compare
in this world of comparison and going, well, gosh, they
just look like they have everything going and they do
nothing wrong. And then you realize, okay, where is the
Like again, we're not all perfect, but in the society,
it's hard when everything just looks so beautiful.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
No, it's so true. That is so real. I feel
like that's such a hard thing to balance because I
feel like Instagram is a place where it's like not
the place to show everything, like you can't. It's a
tiny square and a little caption, and it's like a
lot of people who don't really know you. So there's
that level of help born and what do you want
to be? But I feel like you have to understand
(12:04):
you are literally seeing an image, You're seeing a moment,
You're seeing a highlight, which is beautiful, but you can't
start the comparison game. I mean, shoot, we are so human.
Every everyone has their stuff. I you know, I'm so
grateful for platforms like podcasting because I do think you
get to share a little bit more of that, you
get to have more real conversations, and so I always
(12:25):
feel like the podcast people are the real ones because
they really know what's going on in your life.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, until the headline gets a hold of that, and
then and then they make you feel like you are
just insane for having this thought or this comment or well.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I think that's the catch twenty two about podcasting. It's
like you want to be able to be real and
show everybody that you're real, but then everyone literally comes
down on every single thing that you say. I mean,
it's like you can't be real anymore and show your sins. Essentially,
it's hard to Yeah, that's for sure, got it.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I feel like you got to just be anchored and
know who you are, have the people around you who
love you, know who you are. And that way. I
think that the cool thing with podcasting, even if a
headline gets a hold of it, you know that you
got to share your story, and if someone goes and listens,
they get to hear your voice sharing your story and
hopefully hear your heart in it. But that is a
real wrestle, definitely. That's actually one of the reasons I
(13:15):
started podcasting is because I got so annoyed with headlines
and other interviews that would take something. I'd be like, wait,
that was actually a really good conversation. Why is like
the two minutes everyone's listening to not the heart of
what I was saying. So, yeah, No, it's a gift
to be able to share in a little bit longer form,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, I know for sure. Where do you is on
that topic, where do you find your struggle within the
walk and being your authentic self when and then when
things come up, like where do you find that not
that temptation, but just like that that struggle to keep
that faith?
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Man, it's so real. I think that there's like in
the aspect of how much to share, how much not
to share, or just in the aspect of just.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Life in general, just whether it comes to marriage or
in kids and being a mom.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Well we were talking about this the other day, how
like the enemy, he is an accuser, right, so's he
gonna get you where it hurts so worse and where
it seems true. Like last week, we were having just
a super busy week and everything was crazy and you know,
trying to balance being a good mom and being a
great wife and you know, doing my job great, and
it was like I was just not juggling well, you know,
(14:22):
everything was just kind of like chaotic, and I was
struggling with some anxiety, which I used to struggle with
anxiety a lot back in the day. I hadn't had
a panic attack in a long time. I had felt
like I'd kind of come through that season in my life.
But then last week it was like everything was piling
up and all of a sudden, I just had this
panic attack. And you know, actually yesterday I had a
(14:45):
really great visual for this because yesterday literally speaking of church,
on my way to church, my gas tank kept like,
you know, saying empty whatever. And I look at my
mom and I said, what are the odds run out
of gas? And she said, well, probably pretty high considering
your gas tank going off and it's like, yeah, but
I'm not actually going to run out of gas, and
because like you never think you're actually going to run
(15:06):
out of gas. And so then I get to church,
we make it, we're leaving church, and before we're even
out of the parking lot, I ran out of gas.
Straight up.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
God's like, that's cute.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Yeah. I literally am I a minivan and holding up
the entire church line because my car just stopped working
and I had to have like six men from church
push my car all the way to the gas thing.
And you know what's funny, though, is I look back
at that and I'm like, I should have known I
was going to run a guess that had all the
signs telling me you're about to run out of gas,
(15:36):
but I just didn't listen. And then what do I do?
Run out of gas? And I was thinking about the
same thing with like my anxiety. It was like all
the warning signs are going off, like hey, your stress,
my like everything was short, but I was like I'm fine,
I'm fine, I'm fine. Keep doing the thing, keep doing
the work, keep pushing it, until all of a sudden
I'm on empty and like I actually have a panic
(15:56):
attack and so I think the balance is like not
letting your i'll get to eat, you know, like not
letting yourself get there, like constantly being for me and
the Word, constantly being in prayer, being surrounded by people
who speak truth in my life. Like I think, so
often we push it until it's too far, and then
you have like the big breakdown when it's like, hey,
you don't actually have to get there, like you could
(16:17):
refuel when you're like, you know, halfway instead of at
e And it was a good little visual physically of
kind of what I've been experiencing spiritually and in my
actual life. And so yeah, I think the balance is
letting it be that a balance being an everyday thing
that you don't let yourself go too far too long
(16:37):
without getting truth into your life. And again, for me,
that looks like the Word of God, that looks like
prayer and people who actually speak love around me. And
I think too often we don't think about those things
until it's, you know, till it's kind of too late,
you know, till it's a breakdown. Yeah, and you don't
have to get there, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That's so true that the whole fact that you don't
have to get there because I feel like it's just
a typical thing now for me about that, Like usually
around that two to three month mark is when I
have like an explosion and then I'm fine. But like
the explosion, it's like you feel all the weight and
the pressure and like they'll all the stressors and the
work and the finances and this that and the other
where it's like and then I have my explosion and
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then I then I do another few months of building
it all, building it back up to then do it again.
And it's like because that to me is just the
way that I've always done it, so you know, but
like just to your point, like you know, it doesn't
have to be that way. It's just I don't know
if I have the tools and just to be like
super honest about that, because yeah, I go to therapy
(17:39):
every few weeks, but when you have so many other responsibilities,
I feel like taking care of yourself and managing those
expectations of the blow up is another added thing to
do and to try to not do. So it's like
I don't even know if I can, if I know
how to do that to like not have the explosion.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Yes, I think that's the thing. Even if we're going
with the gas analogy, it's like you don't think about
going and getting gas until you're empty, you know, exactly, Yeah,
but you have to discipline yourself to go, Like, Okay,
I don't feel this yet, but I'm going to prepare
myself so that I don't get there. You know, I'm
gonna fill out what I have now if I can read.
This is actually the screen sperer on my phone right now,
(18:20):
but it's a versus in the message.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Gonna say, is there a verse for us?
Speaker 5 (18:23):
That it's so good? It's so good? This? Why is
my screensaver? Because I need to go to this? It
says you were blessed when you get your inside world,
your mind, and your heart put right, then you will
see God in your outside world. And I was like, man,
that is so good because it's so true. It's like
we want to see good on the outside. But like,
if you're not filling yourself with good, you're not going.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
To see it.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Like you don't have the eyes to see it, you
don't have the perspective to see it, you're not in
the place to see it. But like if you get
your heart posture and you're in your mind in the
right place. It changes everything how you see, how you walk,
how you live, how you talk. But it takes discipline,
takes this practice to work on that inside. And I
think sometimes we almost are like, wait, why do I
think like this? Why do I look? Why do I
why do I? Well? What did you put inside? What
(19:06):
have you even focus on? What have you been hurt by?
And so, yeah, therapy it's great, but you can't wait
so that you know that you know session every time.
It's got to be like an intentional daily thing. But man,
it is discipline, and it is hard to put that
in play. Sometimes.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Well it's so hard the prioritizing and like, what are
you leaving out that you need to prioritize that you're
not doing for yourself because I think again, as a mom,
it's like the first thing that I do is get
the kids ready for breakfast. I have to peace so
bad by the time they get on that damn bus.
But yet I won't even like it's just like got
to get them ready, make pack this, and okay, let's
go back through the site words again. And it's like
(19:41):
you're but the discipline of waking up that ten minutes
early to meditate or to do something for myself. I
can't do it.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, I'm not good at that either.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Or reading scripture or I'm like I want to so badly,
Like I truly like you know, I have some things
on my phone. I'll go to the Jesus app if
i'm you know, not at a red light. But I
don't take the time to do it. And I know
that's important.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, I mean I think for me, I've noticed because
I go through seasons I'll be honest, where it's like
I actually take the time to get in the word
and do my Bible study. I mean it's after the
kids go though. I mean, there's no part of me
that's getting up earlier to do this before the kids
go to school. We love our sleep, or be honest,
but I've gone through seasons where I've been really good
(20:23):
in scheduling that nine to nine thirty or nine to ten,
it ends up usually being nine to ten. That's what
it is, you know, And I have found you don't
really really realize it in the moment. But again, when
you're not doing it, I realize the blow ups are more.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
The stressors are the same. The kids are just as stressful.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
The marriage is just as stressful, but the way I
react to it is so different. And I'll be like, man,
what was different, And I'm like, oh, it's been a
month since I've actually like opened my Bible or you know.
And so I definitely go through seasons and I recognize
that that's different, but I don't always do great. And
it's kind of like people like, you know, with like
working out, that's not my thing. I'm not like I
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have to work out or I don't feel good.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Maybe I could get to that point, but that's.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Kind of how it is for me, with getting in
the word and doing my Bible study in the morning.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
That makes sense for you, what is because you have
you know, the next step out, which is the daily
it's daily you know, motivation. So it's like, for you,
what does your day look like? How do you get
it in with everything that you're doing?
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Yeah, this is so good. I love your point too
about how it doesn't change anything about your circumstances if
you get in the word, but it changes your heart
posture and that that changes the way that you're able
to go about the circumstances you've been placed in. And
I do think people sometimes have this false expectation that man,
if I'm following God, everything's going to work out, and
that that's not true, that's not even biblical. You're gonna
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face trials, you're gonna go through hard things, but yet
you have a source of strength to go through it
with you. You know you, and that that's what changes everything.
So yeah, it doesn't change your circumis just change your heart,
changes who you are and how you respond in your circumstances.
And you know, the next step I'm so excited about
because hopefully it we'll get people in that daily practice.
And I even talk about this in the book. It
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doesn't have to be the first thing in the morning.
I think it's a I think it's a great thing
if it can be, because it just sets your heart
and your intention for the day. And for me personally,
I used to be like, it doesn't have to first
thing in the morning, and it does not have to be.
But I do notice when it is, my day is better.
You know when it is. It just everything is better
in the day. And that's the thing. Even that's Jesus
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showed us that he would get away in the morning
on the mountainside with the Father and like, if Jesus
did it, then we can all benefit from it. But
you know what, actually it was for me because I
used to not get up before the kids. I would
be like, no, I'm sleeping, this is my time. And
then I had a great friend who asked me one time,
she was like, what can I be praying for you for?
Because I had a really big confidence coming up I
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was speaking at I was like, I'm really nervous about this.
I just can't find the time, you know, to work
on my sermon, like I want to in the morning's
so and she said, well, I'm gonna help you wake up.
She said, every morning at six I'm gonna text you
get up and get in the word, and I'm holding
you to it. And I was like six, oh my gosh,
like that is way too early. And my kids actually
sleep in pretty good and they're three and one, and
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I'm thankful for that. So I'm like I was gonna sleep,
but I'm like, okay, now I'm gonna do it. And
so every morning for three weeks at six am, she
would text me, get up, get in the word, and
then she would make if I was like late, like
six oh five, are you awake? Are you up? Like
she text me, this is such accountability. And those three
weeks were so they had such a profound impact on
my life. Truly. I watched the Bible Recap videos, which
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is the Bible Project, and it like recaps stories of
the Bible. I ended up watching the entire series from
Genesis Revelation in those three weeks of just getting up
at six, because I had so long in the morning
to learn it. It gave me such a new perspective
on the Bible on life. I got to preach this
message after that that ended up impacting a lot of people,
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but before impacted a single person. Impacted me so much,
and so now I'm like, I want to get up,
like I find great joy and like getting up now
there's still a lot of mornings and I'm like, I'm tired.
I'm gonna sleep in this morning. That's okay, you're human again.
Like it. It's not like God set the time and
is disappointed you didn't wake up. But what a blessing
it is when you do, you know, and get that
time in. And so I do hope that the next
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step hosts people form that habit. And you know, we
have so much scripture in the book that we're actually
going through the Wisdom books, which is so exciting because
we're going through like Proverbs and Ecclesiastes in different Bible versus.
You're gonna read a lot. Then it's like my story
and how that relates to my life. Then some prayer,
and then I actually even have some worship recommendations in
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the book. So it's really just creating that quiet time
that you can have with the Lord of that meditation
that you can have. And so if you've listened to this,
you've never done that before. This book is kind of
walking you through what that will look like.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So besides this one, do you have any other favorite devotionals?
I'm I'm like, I'm getting yours obviously, but I need
some new ones, So give me some other.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
Absolutely, I need to you know what the daily devotional
I do every single day, I don't. I don't even
know the name of it, which is terrible. I've posted
a picture of before and I'll have to share it.
But it's a book that actually that friend gave it
to me and it has been so good. It's one
of those books where it's like all of these theologians
and great people of the faith over the past hundreds
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of years, Like it's their devotions all put together, and
it is the richest book. I get so much out
of it has been so powerful, and that is so
funny that I don't even know the name of it
because I've never even I just go through the day.
But I hate that. I'll have to get it for y'all.
I have posts on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I'll share I've got two, like I read one at
night to my son and my daughter, Like they have
different ones, like one for boy, one for a girl,
and so I would couldn't even tell you the name
of that one. I know my calm calm one devotion
for anxiety. I love that one. That's a really good one.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
That is so funny. I'm like, how do I not
know the name of this book that I actually read
every day? That's terrible.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
But no, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
That's totally normal. What is your favorite thing about being
a mom in this season? And then what is something
that you're like, you know, I want to work on
this a little bit more.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
It's good. Oh my gosh, I'm just so grateful to
be a mom to my girl, as honey, as three
and a half and Haven is eighteen months old. They're
two years apart, and I think my favorite thing right
now is their little friendship beginning to blossom. My scissors
one of my best friends in the world, all my siblings,
and I are super close with my sister and I
like we shared a room growing up. We work in
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the same place now. She is just like my go
to girl, and we're so different, but like love each
other so much, and I see so much of that
in Honey and Haven. They're so different even at three
and one, you can already tell, but the way they
love each other is just so precious. And getting to
help steward their friendship is just so adorable. Seeing them
laugh at each other is probably my favorite thing right
(27:09):
now about being a mom, because they trying to make
each other laugh and it is just so cute to
see them in their own little world. So I'm loving that.
I'm just loving our little family. We're traveling a lot,
but just to feel at home with each other and
teaching them what that means, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Like there is home again for you.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
We're in Louisiana, which we love Louisiana, but it's sweet because,
like Honey is like such a homebody, but we travel
with her so much and I'm teaching her like, hey,
home is Louisiana, but it's also where your family is.
And like that's been a fun, just like little gift
of life to get to do that with them. But yeah, man,
probably the hardest thing, I guess be a mom right now.
What I struggle with is just time. You know, I'll
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work and I'm a mom, and I know you guys
understand that, and I feel like you're just realizing how
fast the time goes by, you know, And it's hard
whenever you do work and you go home and like
that's your time with them. You want to be fully present,
but then you're like so tired because you just work
during the day. And I feel like navigating that has
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been something on working on in this season of like
giving them my best, you know and not like my
most tired self, and so working on that. I can
definitely be better at that. But that's a challenge for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, No, that's for sure. I was just talking about
my therapists about that because we don't we now efficiently.
We started to have help and then now we don't
have any, and I'm like Okay for the rest of
this season. So it's gonna be like two months. Like
I'm just gonna yes, it's I'll be tired because I'm
gonna be kind of multitasking, you know, working and you know,
being quote unquote stay at home mom, right, And so
(28:39):
I'm like, but I also know that season is so short,
and I know that, you know, I'm gonna start filming
a movie in January. So I'm like, embrace this season
because he's you know, twelve months old, he's little. Like,
it's it's only a short period of time, you know.
And so I think just also giving us like grace, like, yes,
you might be tired coming home, but it is short
and you're still you're still showing up.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Just yeah, you know, and it's you won't regret it, No, zero,
you won't regret it. I mean, my kids are so
much older now, and I look back and I'm like, man, yeah,
if I had that chance to just I would do it,
especially knowing now like I would do it. Yeah, So
I think you'll love.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I already want to go back to like when he was,
you know, just like a baby, you know, six months ago,
because I'm like, I never really rocked him to sleep
because I was so big on like sleep training that
now I'm like, I want to rock him to sleep.
You know, Oh totally.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
I know you you definitely learn as you go, and
that is a crazy thing because I think you have
to just be like, Okay, you don't know what you
don't know, You're learning as you go, and there's grace
for the journey. Is the first time you've ever done
this before, you know, But no, it's it's definitely something
Like one of the things I'm working on is I
had a teammate of mine kind of take over my
social media and I've sent her my captions in my post,
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so it's me. But I haven't been on social media
for the past week and a half and it's not
a big deal. It's just been a week and a half.
But it's been so good for me because I do feel, like,
like I said, whenever I'm there with them, I want
to be fully present and like the last thing I
want to do is looking at someone else's life when
I'm like, my kids are right in front of me,
you know, which is so hard. I know that sounds
like yeah, duh, like everyone would choose your kid, but
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then at the same time, when you're sitting there and
you're tired and it's just so easy to just scroll.
I am so guilty of that all the time, and
so no shame if you're in that, that's just that's
just life. But at the same time, I'm like, you
know what, right now, I need to get rid of
that distraction because I am working, so whenever i'm home, like,
I really do need to be fully present, and for me,
if that means just like removing this from my life
(30:34):
right now, then this just needs to be removed for
right now. And so yeah, I think you have to
just lean into you know, there might be different things
at different times that you can just kind of be
more intentional about. And that's something I'm currently working on,
because it's not that I would intentionally choose scrolling over
paying attention, but you just accidentally do when you're not,
you know, prioritizing it.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
So in your book you talk about not wanting to
make plans. I really want to hear about this because
I'm a big planner and all I love to do
is make plans. So please tell me more about this.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Okay, So I'm a big planner too. In the sense
of like I like to be over prepared for things
that I step into and still, like, for instance, whenever
I'm speaking, people always say, like, you know, you don't
miss the be and you don't even have notes, And
I'm like, yeah, because like I've worked on that so
many times. I've I have rehearsed that so many times
in my mind that like, yes, I know it because
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I'm way over prepared for this moment, you know what
I mean, which is it's not a bad thing, but
sometimes it can be to my disadvantage. But how much
to overrepare and like want to I guess be in
control of what's going to happen and the outcome and stuff. Well,
since I had kids, it's very humbling because, as you
guys know, you can't plan everything. You're totally out of control,
Like you don't know how the day is going to go.
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You don't know when the kid's gonna get into your
infection or whenever your kid's not going to sleep that
night or wake up super early, Like there's so much
out of your control. And so you know, So I
used to have this way of going about preparing for
these messages, and I would be so ready and then
when I had kids, I was like, oh, I don't
have kid to prepare, like, or I'm speaking the next
a and I'm up all night and like there's so
much it's just out of your control. And it really
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taught me how to like lean on the spirit. Well, anyways,
this one particular event I was going to. It was
at Texas A and M. It was in their basketball arena.
There's thousands of college students, and I did not have
the time. I wanted to plan what I was gonna
say or to prepare, and I thought, Okay, well, I'm
just gonna do this older message that I did about identity.
It's really powerful. This is the one I'm gonna go with.
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So I get up there and I'm speaking and everything's
going great, and it was like mid analogy, and my
mom brain was just like blah, Like I just totally
forgot what I was gonna say, and I was like,
oh my gosh, I don't even know what I'm gonna
say right now. It was so weird. I've never had
that happen on stage. I've had that happen obviously in life,
because that's mom brain and that happens. I never had
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that happen in front of thousands of college students in
the middle of what I was talking about that was
like a story, and so I just kind of stopped
and I was like, okay, I was like, what am
I gonna say? So I just like quickly, and it's
so cool because my husband's like, it wasn't that much time.
It was maybe thirty seconds, but it felt like forever.
And I was like, God, what do you want me
to say right now? And I ended up stopping and
(33:17):
just asking a question. I just said, is the way
that you're living your life right now actually leading you
to where you want to go? And when the question
came out of my mouth, it was actually a really
powerful question, and it was it was like a shift
in the room all of a sudden. It was like
you could hear a pin drop in an arena. And
I was like, okay, this is a different route than
I was taking, but clearly, God, you have something different
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you want to talk about tonight. So then we just
kind of sad on that for a little while and
with this different direction and anyways, after that, the pastor's
wife who was there, was like that was so powerful.
She was like, was that different than the way you
normally do things. I was like, well, yeah, because I
really forgot what I was gonna say. She was like, well,
I don't know what you have planned, but that was
so much better than whatever you could planned. And I thought,
(34:00):
you know, it's actually true. I know what I had planned,
and that was actually better than what I planned. And
it was just this lesson in like, God's plan really
is greater than yours, like it really is, and you
need to learn to lean into that and to trust that.
And when you can be willing to surrender your control
of a situation and let God lead, it will feel messy,
it will feel a little out of control, but it
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will be so much more powerful of an outcome. And
she taught me I know this verse, but she taught
me a profound thing about this versus. There's a verse
that says your word is a lamp unto my feet
and a light into my path. And she showed me
what an oil lamp from the Bible days looked like.
Because I've heard that verse a lot of times, but
I always thought of the lamp being like a big lamp.
I actually more so thought of it like a torch,
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where it's like lights up this path, and she said, no,
these lamps were tiny back in the day, So this
lamp would not have lit up the path you're going
to walk. It would have literally just lit up the
next step you were going to take, which is where
the book title comes from, the next step, because I
think so many times life we want to see the
whole path. We want to know the plan, We want
to know where we're going, where we're going to be
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in five years. But that's just not life, that's just
not realistic. And there are things that you can do
to be confident to take the next step, to prepare
for the next step. But at the end of the day,
I think so much of life does take faith, you know,
confidence in the things we hope for, assurance and the
things that we cannot see, and leaning into what the
Lord has for that next step, knowing it's going to
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be better than the one that you could have even planned.
So when I say don't plan, it's not just like, oh,
be careless, be free, go for it, it'll work out. No.
I think there's wisdom in being smart enough to even
get oil for your lamp. There's a wisdom in having
some sort of a plan to being prepared, but at
the end of the day, it's that the Lord wills,
and what the Lord does, it will be better than
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what you could have done in your own strength. And
I've personally learned that time and time again. Me forgetting
what I was going to say was a small example
of what my life has looked like on a bigger
picture of letting go of control and letting God lead
in my life.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
So well said.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
It gave me chills.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I know so well, said Sadie. Thank you so much
for coming on. You're just your beautiful soul. Thank you
for everything that you do in your words, and everyone
will get the next step fifty devotions to find your
way forward.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Thank you, thank you, Thanks for asking great questions by
see bye. Thank y'all.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I'm obsessed with her.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
She's precious.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
She's so sweet.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
I love her.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
She's just so like I want to be that, like
smiley and happy all the time.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I know, but also like knowing that, Okay, she had
a freaking panic attack last week, Like she she's human
and she's showing up and everyone she's being authentic. Because
I saw something I was on I was googling something
and something came up. There was like you know how
I don't look at like comments anymore. But something was like, oh,
yes see she's not healed anymore because she said she
(36:54):
had to go do this. And I'm like, first of all, healing,
like these people that just want to go on someone's
page and say something about someone else or like, no
one has ever claimed to be fully healed, fully perfect
fully like so I was just like and I was
like I kind of laugh because I'm like, oh my gosh,
(37:15):
these people are so ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I don't even understand that.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, because I'm like, of course, no one's like you
might be far removed from a situation and healthier, but
like and I can be healed from certain things, but
there's still things that are going to come up.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Anyways, I just was like it just made me laugh
because I'm like, in this day and age, people think
about it's like a there's perfect, then there's unhealed, and
then there's a complete mess.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Well and they only expect yeah, they only expect that
from people that right are well known, right their lives
can be right, I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
But also it just goes to show you that you know, again,
what we see, what we scroll, what we everyone deals
with it, and I just it's.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
It's remembering that because at the end of the day,
like no, not all of us are going to post
all the bad, you know, and so.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
We just have to like some of us will just
post vibrators and other things, you know what I mean exactly.
Everything's great. Oh I'm not now to see you later.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Bye,
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Oh, Catherine, I'm excited for today's episode. You know, I
was driving and there was something that came up for
me and I was I wanted to just frame the
question to you, what is something in your day that
you are not prioritizing that you know you need to prioritize.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh, I could come up with a couple of things,
let's hear them. Okay, Obviously working out he was doing
so good for so long. But what you want to
do well, I mean I want to want to.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I want you to want to do I want.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
One hundred percent that's I need the I want the
watch to do that. No, but for sure, definitely I
haven't been doing my Bible study in the morning. That
is definitely one that I could do better at.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
What else that's really it? I think?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Mostly what about you?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I'm just curious on the working out thing though, too,
because you did do you were doing you were doing
pans Dam for how many weeks? Was it was like good?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I did it for the three months three months?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, And it's like I think you like you said
like you wanted to want to want to work out.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Well, I wanted to like, this is terrible because I
know that, like I wanted to be like that person
that when I did that, I was like, oh, I
have to have it, and I just didn't never feel
that way. I mean, I was fine when I was
doing it, and I felt good about myself when I
was doing it, but it wasn't like a mental release
for me. It wasn't like that mental time, you know,
(01:41):
or whatever. So it wasn't like I felt like I
needed it to be like in the right headspace. Is
maybe why I don't feel like but I do feel
not as strong now. It's just it wasn't like a
mental thing for me where I think a lot of
people it mentally, you know, I like, yeah, and I'm
realizing I think that that's why it wasn't this like
(02:03):
I have to have it as much because that wasn't
my mental release is better off with Like I can
be fine with that at the end of the day,
just reading a book or watching TV or sitting down
by myself.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
So then then why would you want to add it back?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well, because I need to for my health and I've
gained back way, which is fine. I'm not like down
on myself about it, but at the same time, I
would love to have that motivation back to get it
back and to feel stronger. I was definitely feeling stronger
lifting weights and I did enjoy that, So I mean,
I definitely plan on getting back to it.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I just need that motivation back.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
It's an interesting thought though, because if it's like, if
it's not something that you enjoy or want to do,
most people then probably won't make the time then to
do something I don't enjoy or want.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
And that's me.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, but I think we could all probably agree with
working out, Like, whether you want to or not, we
kind of need to for our health.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
They say, well, here's the thing though, They say, like, sure,
there's all the studies about weightlifting and all that stuff
is good for you, but they also say just getting
ten thousand steps is really good, right, so you enjoy walking. Yeah,
So maybe that's the switch where it's like, yeah, okay, yes,
there are there benefits to lifting weights, sure, but if
you're going to pick one, which walking is so good
(03:25):
for your heart health, yeah, and you're cardiovascular and your
energy and your stress, like go for a thirty minute.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Walk, Yeah, that's like that, and it's even ten.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Thousand steps, Like, well, I know they say ten thousand,
but like thirty minute walks?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Would you take a thirty minute walk? At least?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
For me, if I would take at least a thirty
minute walk a day, I would usually hit close to that.
But I ye, yeah absolutely, so like yeah, so no,
that's a good point. I mean, and I do think
that in a way. Society has also kind of like
made me feel like I have to want to work out,
you know, but I'm kind of at a place where
I'm like, you're right, that's a very good point. Like
(04:01):
I could go walk and it would get for me,
it got longer. I started with thirty minute walk, but
it would end up getting longer because I did enjoy
that time.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, so maybe that's.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Where because A you can be by yourself, you can
be on your phone, yeah you can, you know, like absolutely,
and you can get sometimes I'll do I'll just go
on the treadmill, or I'll do emails or work like
I know, I save certain things for the walk. But
I think for you, like and anyone else like and
for me too, like that is so good. Just do
(04:31):
that every day, right, right, No, prioritize that, Yeah, good point.
You're welcome.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Thanks to check in.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
When do we check in? Because there should be checks
and balances?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yes, absolutely, Well it's cooling off, so that helps me.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I like to walk in the cold, which is weird,
but I hate walking in the heat.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
So yeah, I mean, let's start next week.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I mean, if you want to a walking partner, like,
I love to.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Walk, so I'd like to do that.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Like she's like, I like that alone, and then that's.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's just me being honest.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Mostly I do like to walk alone, but there are
two times I love to walk, like if I haven't
seen you in a while, Yeah, we can catch up
on so much in a thirty minute walk.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I mean I mean literally she's like wait, what what what?
I was like yeah, And then.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
I do look forward to those when I'm in the
mood to get all the catch up stuff right and
like I haven't talked to Dan a while, and like,
so much has happened in your world when we.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Go on a walk.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, so yeah, okay, so we saw soa Yeah, but
what's the what's the checks and balances?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I don't know, like in a in a month? Do
we check back? On December eighteenth, and say sure, and
then maybe you know what's great. You know how we
love to check things off. Yeah, you should put walk
in your calendar every day. Then you can then.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Show that's what I was doing with my walks and
workouts before. Okay, but what am I checking you on?
What do you want to I'm great, No, they don't
have something.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
No, I know.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And that's the thing, because I'm like, I like, you know,
that's like I need that from my mental even if
it's just walking. Like I only do weights three to
four times a week, three mostly, and then I run too,
and then the.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Other yeah, and then I run and then I walk.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
And then so basically you do a lot. No, no, no,
that's great.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
No, but like I have to at least walk every
day no matter what. Like that's just for my own
like for everyone's sake. But I was thinking about in
the car because at the end of the day, there's
just always seems to be things that I didn't do
or I didn't finish, and I think, so, yeah, I
(06:44):
prioritize the working out, which is great, but there's other
things that I want to do, like the nonprofits and
the the you know, organization stuff, and it's like I
keep putting stuff aside that I actually want to do
because I don't have the time. But I'm not making
the time because I'm like, well, I make the time
for working out, which then just got me in the
whole conversation of of you know, what we prioritize versus
(07:05):
what we don't right right, you know?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
So yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
We all put things off that we know we need
to do or even kind of want to want to do.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I want to do it, like I'm so like it's
something I really want to do. Is But I think
sometimes too, when something feels overwhelming, like maybe working out
and walking to you might seem been something like that,
you know, starting this foundation and how it's like it
feels overwhelming. So something feels overwhelming and you're like, oh
I want to but I.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
It's kind of like where do you start?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, and that is that seems so so like for
that that like makes sense starting a foundation, Where do
I even start? Where do I I have definitely felt
that way with working out, where do I even start?
Or if I start, like oh my god, I have
to start like with you know, so it's just everyone's
overwhelming is different for it exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
And there's not one that's like even said like I
know it's yeah, but they're they're not like it's all
the same thing truly. So I just thought it was
a topic of conversation.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Like I wanted to off my stuff though, because I
need to start.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, it's I need to just start something where it's
I feel like I'm you know, helping people on a
whether it's just like yeah, you know, I'll damn people
that have damned me because you know they'll reach out,
but I just I want it on a more of
a scale of helping more people, so you know, I
(08:24):
don't know, just check in maybe see if I've done something.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Sure month to will that feel like work to you
or no?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So like yes and no no, because I will want
I like I have like this dream where I'm like
maybe I'll do like that subscribe or not subscribing, but
I'll do something where it's like once a month, I
can like zoom with remember I asked you about zoom.
I could like zoom with like under people a month
and then they can share their stories because I feel
like when survivors or people are going through a divorce
(08:51):
or they can like we can all get in a room,
then you feel better. I think I would love it,
but then I'll also be like, oh god, then things
get really busy, and then I'm gonna then then that's
where it feels like work, and I don't want feel
like work right, So that's why I want to wait
almost too to like get it right so that it
doesn't feel like work. It feels like it's something out.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
That's what I was going to say, have the want.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
But I have the pull of I got too much
on the play right now.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
You need to do, in my opinion, do something that
does not feel like work. Yeah, because I think for
you it's kind of like you have time to prioritizing
working out for you personally, but that's it.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Otherwise you feel like you should be working or being
a mom.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, and that's where I think it would be key
for you if it didn't feel like work.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Thanks well on this. We have Sadie robertson huff Did
you watch her on duck Dynasty?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Not all of it, but yeah, some of it, Okay,
I like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I think I watch like an episode or.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah it's yeah, it was good because it's a great family.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, but she's got a new book out called The
Next Step, Fifty Devotions to Find Your Way Forward. And
she's very obviously active on our social media and her faith,
which we love to talk about on here. So let's
take a break and then get her on.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Hi friend, Hi, how are you? I'm great? Thanks so
much for having me on.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
You're just like the cutest you really are. You're just
like so cute. Your family's cute, You're cute. Like it's
just like your message is cute. Everything's just really cute
about you. And it's like, is there anything into skeletons
in your closet, like, give me something.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
We're all human, Yes, absolutely, but that's so kind. I
appreciate it. Thank you, You're so sweet.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I'm jan and this is this is my girl Catherine,
and we'll just dive right on in. It's funny that
you say, you know, we're all human, because I was
just listening to church yesterday. My son is in a
weird kind of nap age right now, so we don't
go to church on Sundays because of his nap schedule.
So I've just usually like we'll work out or run,
(11:01):
and so I was running on Sunday and listening to
the to the pastor speak, and he was basically saying,
He's like, if you don't stand up and say that
you're the biggest sinner in the room, like you're lying.
He's like, we all we all sin and we all have,
you know, our stuff we have to work on. And
it's the people that are kind of being like, no,
I'm perfect. Everything's great. And I think it's hard because
you know, even when we go to people's Instagram page
(11:22):
and we see all the things they're doing, everything just
looks so perfect that sometimes when you start to compare
in this world of comparison and going, well, gosh, they
just look like they have everything going and they do
nothing wrong. And then you realize, okay, where is the
Like again, we're not all perfect, but in the society,
it's hard when everything just looks so beautiful.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
No, it's so true. That is so real. I feel
like that's such a hard thing to balance because I
feel like Instagram is a place where it's like not
the place to show everything, like you can't. It's a
tiny square and a little caption, and it's like a
lot of people who don't really know you. So there's
that level of help born and what do you want
to be? But I feel like you have to understand
(12:04):
you are literally seeing an image, You're seeing a moment,
You're seeing a highlight, which is beautiful, but you can't
start the comparison game. I mean, shoot, we are so human.
Every everyone has their stuff. I you know, I'm so
grateful for platforms like podcasting because I do think you
get to share a little bit more of that, you
get to have more real conversations, and so I always
(12:25):
feel like the podcast people are the real ones because
they really know what's going on in your life.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, until the headline gets a hold of that, and
then and then they make you feel like you are
just insane for having this thought or this comment or well.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I think that's the catch twenty two about podcasting. It's
like you want to be able to be real and
show everybody that you're real, but then everyone literally comes
down on every single thing that you say. I mean,
it's like you can't be real anymore and show your sins. Essentially,
it's hard to Yeah, that's for sure, got it.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I feel like you got to just be anchored and
know who you are, have the people around you who
love you, know who you are. And that way. I
think that the cool thing with podcasting, even if a
headline gets a hold of it, you know that you
got to share your story, and if someone goes and listens,
they get to hear your voice sharing your story and
hopefully hear your heart in it. But that is a
real wrestle, definitely. That's actually one of the reasons I
(13:15):
started podcasting is because I got so annoyed with headlines
and other interviews that would take something. I'd be like, wait,
that was actually a really good conversation. Why is like
the two minutes everyone's listening to not the heart of
what I was saying. So, yeah, No, it's a gift
to be able to share in a little bit longer form,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, I know for sure. Where do you is on
that topic, where do you find your struggle within the
walk and being your authentic self when and then when
things come up, like where do you find that not
that temptation, but just like that that struggle to keep
that faith?
Speaker 5 (13:47):
Man, it's so real. I think that there's like in
the aspect of how much to share, how much not
to share, or just in the aspect of just.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Life in general, just whether it comes to marriage or
in kids and being a mom.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Well we were talking about this the other day, how
like the enemy, he is an accuser, right, so's he
gonna get you where it hurts so worse and where
it seems true. Like last week, we were having just
a super busy week and everything was crazy and you know,
trying to balance being a good mom and being a
great wife and you know, doing my job great, and
it was like I was just not juggling well, you know,
(14:22):
everything was just kind of like chaotic, and I was
struggling with some anxiety, which I used to struggle with
anxiety a lot back in the day. I hadn't had
a panic attack in a long time. I had felt
like I'd kind of come through that season in my life.
But then last week it was like everything was piling
up and all of a sudden, I just had this
panic attack. And you know, actually yesterday I had a
(14:45):
really great visual for this because yesterday literally speaking of church,
on my way to church, my gas tank kept like,
you know, saying empty whatever. And I look at my
mom and I said, what are the odds run out
of gas? And she said, well, probably pretty high considering
your gas tank going off and it's like, yeah, but
I'm not actually going to run out of gas, and
because like you never think you're actually going to run
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out of gas. And so then I get to church,
we make it, we're leaving church, and before we're even
out of the parking lot, I ran out of gas.
Straight up.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
God's like, that's cute.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Yeah. I literally am I a minivan and holding up
the entire church line because my car just stopped working
and I had to have like six men from church
push my car all the way to the gas thing.
And you know what's funny, though, is I look back
at that and I'm like, I should have known I
was going to run a guess that had all the
signs telling me you're about to run out of gas,
(15:36):
but I just didn't listen. And then what do I do?
Run out of gas? And I was thinking about the
same thing with like my anxiety. It was like all
the warning signs are going off, like hey, your stress,
my like everything was short, but I was like I'm fine,
I'm fine, I'm fine. Keep doing the thing, keep doing
the work, keep pushing it, until all of a sudden
I'm on empty and like I actually have a panic
(15:56):
attack and so I think the balance is like not
letting your i'll get to eat, you know, like not
letting yourself get there, like constantly being for me and
the Word, constantly being in prayer, being surrounded by people
who speak truth in my life. Like I think, so
often we push it until it's too far, and then
you have like the big breakdown when it's like, hey,
you don't actually have to get there, like you could
(16:17):
refuel when you're like, you know, halfway instead of at
e And it was a good little visual physically of
kind of what I've been experiencing spiritually and in my
actual life. And so yeah, I think the balance is
letting it be that a balance being an everyday thing
that you don't let yourself go too far too long
(16:37):
without getting truth into your life. And again, for me,
that looks like the Word of God, that looks like
prayer and people who actually speak love around me. And
I think too often we don't think about those things
until it's, you know, till it's kind of too late,
you know, till it's a breakdown. Yeah, and you don't
have to get there, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That's so true that the whole fact that you don't
have to get there because I feel like it's just
a typical thing now for me about that, Like usually
around that two to three month mark is when I
have like an explosion and then I'm fine. But like
the explosion, it's like you feel all the weight and
the pressure and like they'll all the stressors and the
work and the finances and this that and the other
where it's like and then I have my explosion and
(17:16):
then I then I do another few months of building
it all, building it back up to then do it again.
And it's like because that to me is just the
way that I've always done it, so you know, but
like just to your point, like you know, it doesn't
have to be that way. It's just I don't know
if I have the tools and just to be like
super honest about that, because yeah, I go to therapy
(17:39):
every few weeks, but when you have so many other responsibilities,
I feel like taking care of yourself and managing those
expectations of the blow up is another added thing to
do and to try to not do. So it's like
I don't even know if I can, if I know
how to do that to like not have the explosion.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Yes, I think that's the thing. Even if we're going
with the gas analogy, it's like you don't think about
going and getting gas until you're empty, you know, exactly, Yeah,
but you have to discipline yourself to go, Like, Okay,
I don't feel this yet, but I'm going to prepare
myself so that I don't get there. You know, I'm
gonna fill out what I have now if I can read.
This is actually the screen sperer on my phone right now,
(18:20):
but it's a versus in the message.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Gonna say, is there a verse for us?
Speaker 5 (18:23):
That it's so good? It's so good? This? Why is
my screensaver? Because I need to go to this? It
says you were blessed when you get your inside world,
your mind, and your heart put right, then you will
see God in your outside world. And I was like, man,
that is so good because it's so true. It's like
we want to see good on the outside. But like,
if you're not filling yourself with good, you're not going.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
To see it.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Like you don't have the eyes to see it, you
don't have the perspective to see it, you're not in
the place to see it. But like if you get
your heart posture and you're in your mind in the
right place. It changes everything how you see, how you walk,
how you live, how you talk. But it takes discipline,
takes this practice to work on that inside. And I
think sometimes we almost are like, wait, why do I
think like this? Why do I look? Why do I
why do I? Well? What did you put inside? What
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have you even focus on? What have you been hurt by?
And so, yeah, therapy it's great, but you can't wait
so that you know that you know session every time.
It's got to be like an intentional daily thing. But man,
it is discipline, and it is hard to put that
in play. Sometimes.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Well it's so hard the prioritizing and like, what are
you leaving out that you need to prioritize that you're
not doing for yourself because I think again, as a mom,
it's like the first thing that I do is get
the kids ready for breakfast. I have to peace so
bad by the time they get on that damn bus.
But yet I won't even like it's just like got
to get them ready, make pack this, and okay, let's
go back through the site words again. And it's like
(19:41):
you're but the discipline of waking up that ten minutes
early to meditate or to do something for myself. I
can't do it.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, I'm not good at that either.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Or reading scripture or I'm like I want to so badly,
Like I truly like you know, I have some things
on my phone. I'll go to the Jesus app if
i'm you know, not at a red light. But I
don't take the time to do it. And I know
that's important.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, I mean I think for me, I've noticed because
I go through seasons I'll be honest, where it's like
I actually take the time to get in the word
and do my Bible study. I mean it's after the
kids go though. I mean, there's no part of me
that's getting up earlier to do this before the kids
go to school. We love our sleep, or be honest,
but I've gone through seasons where I've been really good
(20:23):
in scheduling that nine to nine thirty or nine to ten,
it ends up usually being nine to ten. That's what
it is, you know, And I have found you don't
really really realize it in the moment. But again, when
you're not doing it, I realize the blow ups are more.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
The stressors are the same. The kids are just as stressful.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
The marriage is just as stressful, but the way I
react to it is so different. And I'll be like, man,
what was different, And I'm like, oh, it's been a
month since I've actually like opened my Bible or you know.
And so I definitely go through seasons and I recognize
that that's different, but I don't always do great. And
it's kind of like people like, you know, with like
working out, that's not my thing. I'm not like I
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have to work out or I don't feel good.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
You know.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Maybe I could get to that point, but that's.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Kind of how it is for me, with getting in
the word and doing my Bible study in the morning.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
That makes sense for you, what is because you have
you know, the next step out, which is the daily
it's daily you know, motivation. So it's like, for you,
what does your day look like? How do you get
it in with everything that you're doing?
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Yeah, this is so good. I love your point too
about how it doesn't change anything about your circumstances if
you get in the word, but it changes your heart
posture and that that changes the way that you're able
to go about the circumstances you've been placed in. And
I do think people sometimes have this false expectation that man,
if I'm following God, everything's going to work out, and
that that's not true, that's not even biblical. You're gonna
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face trials, you're gonna go through hard things, but yet
you have a source of strength to go through it
with you. You know you, and that that's what changes everything.
So yeah, it doesn't change your circumis just change your heart,
changes who you are and how you respond in your circumstances.
And you know, the next step I'm so excited about
because hopefully it we'll get people in that daily practice.
And I even talk about this in the book. It
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doesn't have to be the first thing in the morning.
I think it's a I think it's a great thing
if it can be, because it just sets your heart
and your intention for the day. And for me personally,
I used to be like, it doesn't have to first
thing in the morning, and it does not have to be.
But I do notice when it is, my day is better.
You know when it is. It just everything is better
in the day. And that's the thing. Even that's Jesus
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showed us that he would get away in the morning
on the mountainside with the Father and like, if Jesus
did it, then we can all benefit from it. But
you know what, actually it was for me because I
used to not get up before the kids. I would
be like, no, I'm sleeping, this is my time. And
then I had a great friend who asked me one time,
she was like, what can I be praying for you for?
Because I had a really big confidence coming up I
(22:53):
was speaking at I was like, I'm really nervous about this.
I just can't find the time, you know, to work
on my sermon, like I want to in the morning's
so and she said, well, I'm gonna help you wake up.
She said, every morning at six I'm gonna text you
get up and get in the word, and I'm holding
you to it. And I was like six, oh my gosh,
like that is way too early. And my kids actually
sleep in pretty good and they're three and one, and
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I'm thankful for that. So I'm like I was gonna sleep,
but I'm like, okay, now I'm gonna do it. And
so every morning for three weeks at six am, she
would text me, get up, get in the word, and
then she would make if I was like late, like
six oh five, are you awake? Are you up? Like
she text me, this is such accountability. And those three
weeks were so they had such a profound impact on
my life. Truly. I watched the Bible Recap videos, which
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is the Bible Project, and it like recaps stories of
the Bible. I ended up watching the entire series from
Genesis Revelation in those three weeks of just getting up
at six, because I had so long in the morning
to learn it. It gave me such a new perspective
on the Bible on life. I got to preach this
message after that that ended up impacting a lot of people,
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but before impacted a single person. Impacted me so much,
and so now I'm like, I want to get up,
like I find great joy and like getting up now
there's still a lot of mornings and I'm like, I'm tired.
I'm gonna sleep in this morning. That's okay, you're human again.
Like it. It's not like God set the time and
is disappointed you didn't wake up. But what a blessing
it is when you do, you know, and get that
time in. And so I do hope that the next
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step hosts people form that habit. And you know, we
have so much scripture in the book that we're actually
going through the Wisdom books, which is so exciting because
we're going through like Proverbs and Ecclesiastes in different Bible versus.
You're gonna read a lot. Then it's like my story
and how that relates to my life. Then some prayer,
and then I actually even have some worship recommendations in
(24:38):
the book. So it's really just creating that quiet time
that you can have with the Lord of that meditation
that you can have. And so if you've listened to this,
you've never done that before. This book is kind of
walking you through what that will look like.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So besides this one, do you have any other favorite devotionals?
I'm I'm like, I'm getting yours obviously, but I need
some new ones, So give me some other.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
Absolutely, I need to you know what the daily devotional
I do every single day, I don't. I don't even
know the name of it, which is terrible. I've posted
a picture of before and I'll have to share it.
But it's a book that actually that friend gave it
to me and it has been so good. It's one
of those books where it's like all of these theologians
and great people of the faith over the past hundreds
(25:36):
of years, Like it's their devotions all put together, and
it is the richest book. I get so much out
of it has been so powerful, and that is so
funny that I don't even know the name of it
because I've never even I just go through the day.
But I hate that. I'll have to get it for y'all.
I have posts on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I'll share I've got two, like I read one at
night to my son and my daughter, Like they have
different ones, like one for boy, one for a girl,
and so I would couldn't even tell you the name
of that one. I know my calm calm one devotion
for anxiety. I love that one. That's a really good one.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
That is so funny. I'm like, how do I not
know the name of this book that I actually read
every day? That's terrible.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
But no, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
That's totally normal. What is your favorite thing about being
a mom in this season? And then what is something
that you're like, you know, I want to work on
this a little bit more.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
It's good. Oh my gosh, I'm just so grateful to
be a mom to my girl, as honey, as three
and a half and Haven is eighteen months old. They're
two years apart, and I think my favorite thing right
now is their little friendship beginning to blossom. My scissors
one of my best friends in the world, all my siblings,
and I are super close with my sister and I
like we shared a room growing up. We work in
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the same place now. She is just like my go
to girl, and we're so different, but like love each
other so much, and I see so much of that
in Honey and Haven. They're so different even at three
and one, you can already tell, but the way they
love each other is just so precious. And getting to
help steward their friendship is just so adorable. Seeing them
laugh at each other is probably my favorite thing right
(27:09):
now about being a mom, because they trying to make
each other laugh and it is just so cute to
see them in their own little world. So I'm loving that.
I'm just loving our little family. We're traveling a lot,
but just to feel at home with each other and
teaching them what that means, you know.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Like there is home again for you.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
We're in Louisiana, which we love Louisiana, but it's sweet because,
like Honey is like such a homebody, but we travel
with her so much and I'm teaching her like, hey,
home is Louisiana, but it's also where your family is.
And like that's been a fun, just like little gift
of life to get to do that with them. But yeah, man,
probably the hardest thing, I guess be a mom right now.
What I struggle with is just time. You know, I'll
(27:47):
work and I'm a mom, and I know you guys
understand that, and I feel like you're just realizing how
fast the time goes by, you know, And it's hard
whenever you do work and you go home and like
that's your time with them. You want to be fully present,
but then you're like so tired because you just work
during the day. And I feel like navigating that has
(28:07):
been something on working on in this season of like
giving them my best, you know and not like my
most tired self, and so working on that. I can
definitely be better at that. But that's a challenge for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, No, that's for sure. I was just talking about
my therapists about that because we don't we now efficiently.
We started to have help and then now we don't
have any, and I'm like Okay for the rest of
this season. So it's gonna be like two months. Like
I'm just gonna yes, it's I'll be tired because I'm
gonna be kind of multitasking, you know, working and you know,
being quote unquote stay at home mom, right, And so
(28:39):
I'm like, but I also know that season is so short,
and I know that, you know, I'm gonna start filming
a movie in January. So I'm like, embrace this season
because he's you know, twelve months old, he's little. Like,
it's it's only a short period of time, you know.
And so I think just also giving us like grace, like, yes,
you might be tired coming home, but it is short
and you're still you're still showing up.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Just yeah, you know, and it's you won't regret it, No, zero,
you won't regret it. I mean, my kids are so
much older now, and I look back and I'm like, man, yeah,
if I had that chance to just I would do it,
especially knowing now like I would do it. Yeah, So
I think you'll love.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I already want to go back to like when he was,
you know, just like a baby, you know, six months ago,
because I'm like, I never really rocked him to sleep
because I was so big on like sleep training that
now I'm like, I want to rock him to sleep.
You know, Oh totally.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
I know you you definitely learn as you go, and
that is a crazy thing because I think you have
to just be like, Okay, you don't know what you
don't know, You're learning as you go, and there's grace
for the journey. Is the first time you've ever done
this before, you know, But no, it's it's definitely something
Like one of the things I'm working on is I
had a teammate of mine kind of take over my
social media and I've sent her my captions in my post,
(29:51):
so it's me. But I haven't been on social media
for the past week and a half and it's not
a big deal. It's just been a week and a half.
But it's been so good for me because I do feel, like,
like I said, whenever I'm there with them, I want
to be fully present and like the last thing I
want to do is looking at someone else's life when
I'm like, my kids are right in front of me,
you know, which is so hard. I know that sounds
like yeah, duh, like everyone would choose your kid, but
(30:13):
then at the same time, when you're sitting there and
you're tired and it's just so easy to just scroll.
I am so guilty of that all the time, and
so no shame if you're in that, that's just that's
just life. But at the same time, I'm like, you
know what, right now, I need to get rid of
that distraction because I am working, so whenever i'm home, like,
I really do need to be fully present, and for me,
if that means just like removing this from my life
(30:34):
right now, then this just needs to be removed for
right now. And so yeah, I think you have to
just lean into you know, there might be different things
at different times that you can just kind of be
more intentional about. And that's something I'm currently working on,
because it's not that I would intentionally choose scrolling over
paying attention, but you just accidentally do when you're not,
you know, prioritizing it.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
So in your book you talk about not wanting to
make plans. I really want to hear about this because
I'm a big planner and all I love to do
is make plans. So please tell me more about this.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Okay, So I'm a big planner too. In the sense
of like I like to be over prepared for things
that I step into and still, like, for instance, whenever
I'm speaking, people always say, like, you know, you don't
miss the be and you don't even have notes, And
I'm like, yeah, because like I've worked on that so
many times. I've I have rehearsed that so many times
in my mind that like, yes, I know it because
(31:30):
I'm way over prepared for this moment, you know what
I mean, which is it's not a bad thing, but
sometimes it can be to my disadvantage. But how much
to overrepare and like want to I guess be in
control of what's going to happen and the outcome and stuff. Well,
since I had kids, it's very humbling because, as you
guys know, you can't plan everything. You're totally out of control,
Like you don't know how the day is going to go.
(31:51):
You don't know when the kid's gonna get into your
infection or whenever your kid's not going to sleep that
night or wake up super early, Like there's so much
out of your control. And so you know, So I
used to have this way of going about preparing for
these messages, and I would be so ready and then
when I had kids, I was like, oh, I don't
have kid to prepare, like, or I'm speaking the next
a and I'm up all night and like there's so
much it's just out of your control. And it really
(32:13):
taught me how to like lean on the spirit. Well, anyways,
this one particular event I was going to. It was
at Texas A and M. It was in their basketball arena.
There's thousands of college students, and I did not have
the time. I wanted to plan what I was gonna
say or to prepare, and I thought, Okay, well, I'm
just gonna do this older message that I did about identity.
It's really powerful. This is the one I'm gonna go with.
(32:35):
So I get up there and I'm speaking and everything's
going great, and it was like mid analogy, and my
mom brain was just like blah, Like I just totally
forgot what I was gonna say, and I was like,
oh my gosh, I don't even know what I'm gonna
say right now. It was so weird. I've never had
that happen on stage. I've had that happen obviously in life,
because that's mom brain and that happens. I never had
(32:56):
that happen in front of thousands of college students in
the middle of what I was talking about that was
like a story, and so I just kind of stopped
and I was like, okay, I was like, what am
I gonna say? So I just like quickly, and it's
so cool because my husband's like, it wasn't that much time.
It was maybe thirty seconds, but it felt like forever.
And I was like, God, what do you want me
to say right now? And I ended up stopping and
(33:17):
just asking a question. I just said, is the way
that you're living your life right now actually leading you
to where you want to go? And when the question
came out of my mouth, it was actually a really
powerful question, and it was it was like a shift
in the room all of a sudden. It was like
you could hear a pin drop in an arena. And
I was like, okay, this is a different route than
I was taking, but clearly, God, you have something different
(33:38):
you want to talk about tonight. So then we just
kind of sad on that for a little while and
with this different direction and anyways, after that, the pastor's
wife who was there, was like that was so powerful.
She was like, was that different than the way you
normally do things. I was like, well, yeah, because I
really forgot what I was gonna say. She was like, well,
I don't know what you have planned, but that was
so much better than whatever you could planned. And I thought,
(34:00):
you know, it's actually true. I know what I had planned,
and that was actually better than what I planned. And
it was just this lesson in like, God's plan really
is greater than yours, like it really is, and you
need to learn to lean into that and to trust that.
And when you can be willing to surrender your control
of a situation and let God lead, it will feel messy,
it will feel a little out of control, but it
(34:22):
will be so much more powerful of an outcome. And
she taught me I know this verse, but she taught
me a profound thing about this versus. There's a verse
that says your word is a lamp unto my feet
and a light into my path. And she showed me
what an oil lamp from the Bible days looked like.
Because I've heard that verse a lot of times, but
I always thought of the lamp being like a big lamp.
I actually more so thought of it like a torch,
(34:43):
where it's like lights up this path, and she said, no,
these lamps were tiny back in the day, So this
lamp would not have lit up the path you're going
to walk. It would have literally just lit up the
next step you were going to take, which is where
the book title comes from, the next step, because I
think so many times life we want to see the
whole path. We want to know the plan, We want
to know where we're going, where we're going to be
(35:04):
in five years. But that's just not life, that's just
not realistic. And there are things that you can do
to be confident to take the next step, to prepare
for the next step. But at the end of the day,
I think so much of life does take faith, you know,
confidence in the things we hope for, assurance and the
things that we cannot see, and leaning into what the
Lord has for that next step, knowing it's going to
(35:25):
be better than the one that you could have even planned.
So when I say don't plan, it's not just like, oh,
be careless, be free, go for it, it'll work out. No.
I think there's wisdom in being smart enough to even
get oil for your lamp. There's a wisdom in having
some sort of a plan to being prepared, but at
the end of the day, it's that the Lord wills,
and what the Lord does, it will be better than
(35:46):
what you could have done in your own strength. And
I've personally learned that time and time again. Me forgetting
what I was going to say was a small example
of what my life has looked like on a bigger
picture of letting go of control and letting God lead
in my life.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
So well said.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
It gave me chills.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I know so well, said Sadie. Thank you so much
for coming on. You're just your beautiful soul. Thank you
for everything that you do in your words, and everyone
will get the next step fifty devotions to find your
way forward.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Thank you, thank you, Thanks for asking great questions by
see bye. Thank y'all.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I'm obsessed with her.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
She's precious.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
She's so sweet.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
I love her.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
She's just so like I want to be that, like
smiley and happy all the time.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I know, but also like knowing that, Okay, she had
a freaking panic attack last week, Like she she's human
and she's showing up and everyone she's being authentic. Because
I saw something I was on I was googling something
and something came up. There was like you know how
I don't look at like comments anymore. But something was like, oh,
yes see she's not healed anymore because she said she
(36:54):
had to go do this. And I'm like, first of all, healing,
like these people that just want to go on someone's
page and say something about someone else or like, no
one has ever claimed to be fully healed, fully perfect
fully like so I was just like and I was
like I kind of laugh because I'm like, oh my gosh,
(37:15):
these people are so ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I don't even understand that.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, because I'm like, of course, no one's like you
might be far removed from a situation and healthier, but
like and I can be healed from certain things, but
there's still things that are going to come up.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Anyways, I just was like it just made me laugh
because I'm like, in this day and age, people think
about it's like a there's perfect, then there's unhealed, and
then there's a complete mess.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Well and they only expect yeah, they only expect that
from people that right are well known, right their lives
can be right, I mean.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
But also it just goes to show you that you know, again,
what we see, what we scroll, what we everyone deals
with it, and I just it's.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
It's remembering that because at the end of the day,
like no, not all of us are going to post
all the bad, you know, and so.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
We just have to like some of us will just
post vibrators and other things, you know what I mean exactly.
Everything's great. Oh I'm not now to see you later.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Bye,
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