November 26, 2025 • 24 mins
Jana and Kristen are ready to bare it all with a no-limits Q&A!
Find out how they balance the challenges of motherhood, if they’ve ever stalked an ex, and what they used to be the most shy about!
Plus, Jana reveals her most flirty podcast guest and what happened when he asked her on a date!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'mheart Radio Podcast Special
Edition Q and A episode. I love this and also
am equally parts terrified, terrified, terrified, So this these are fun,
they're fan Q and as.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's all fun until it's all funny game censor myself.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
It's all fun and games until it's documented on a
recording that goes out to every iHeart dang it when
Catherine's not here. Sometimes I just you need Kat for
the managerial component. Yeah, we'll just start it. Light Okay,
most challenging part of motherhood? Okay, light topics? M are
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we both answering? I would say my most challenging just
about me.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Well, we're going to go like every other. I would
say my most challenging part of motherhood is there's this like.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Push pull of needing time to be your own person
and being so desperately obsessed with people that you don't
want to leave them right. I just think that's the
most challenging thing for me. It's like I need time.
I know I need to go do things for myself.
I also know it's good for them to be with
other people, but then I'm so psychotic that I just
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don't want them to be with anyone else because I
don't want to miss anything for sure, and it's being
I mean, I think about those moments when you know,
last night Julie is like, Mommy, will you cuddle and
I'm just like yes, but I'm like, I'm tired. In
some nights, I was talking to actually my Michigan girlfriends
about this because we were just, you know, kind of
(01:51):
talking about highs and lows of parenting, and I said, you, guys,
sometimes I just I'm too.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I don't want to. I'm tired. I want to.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I want to go down and take a nice long
shower or bath. But then I realize how and then
I and sometimes I might say no and then I
go downstairs and it's like, oh, go back upstairs, And
then I go back upstairs because then I feel bad.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I know, it's like that guilt and shame.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Because I know in a couple of years she's not
gonna want to cuddle with me anymore. We also know
what we talk to our therapist about, so I think
that's part of the problem. Right, I'm going every time
I say get cozy and I'll be in in a minute,
and I ugh, this is honest, But sometimes I'm like,
I secretly hope she kind of fades before I get
in it because she's such a talker, loves to download
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at the end of every day.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So then I feel guilty. Right.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
The cutest thing actually happened last night, so, you know,
because both the kiddos, because if I cuddle Jolie, I
also got a cuddle, and they're like, can we do
a ten minute twenty minute cuddle? So then it's if
I'm doing twenty for Jolie, I got to twenty for
j so it's forty minutes, and I don't want it
to be like, we don't need to look.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
At the clock.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Let's just cuddle. Yeah, have you know, yeah to time
stamp this, you know. But uh, last night I said,
all right, you get Mom's going this way that way,
and then Jolie, so Jolie picked well they I felt
bad because they did pick me first. But but then
she's like, no, no, I want I want Alan, I
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want Alan, saying she felt bad because they both said
MoMA read the room.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Jolie.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I was like, no, no, Jolie, it's okay. I was
like mom in the corner. But when I so when
I finished cuddling with Jase. I came back in and
both of them were passed out like they both like
he like fell asleep with like her like in his arms.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
It was so it was precious but sweet.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
But no, I I so I agree with you on that,
but I'll also say it's the we are in that stage.
I'm in that stage where I still have to to
grind and maybe take things that I necessarily don't maybe
want to take. And then I missed certain things, but
I also know that, I mean, I have to, but
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I think it's important for them to see that too.
So I agree what I and the mom shame, I'm
really trying to take that title off of us because
it's not fair. It's not fair to wear that or
or have that guilt. It's so that's where I love
the reframing of it. It's like, you know, mommy gets
to do what she loves too, and that's great and
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here and have them be a part of it as well.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
That's right, oh mom life.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
We'll do kids though, what is the big gift? And
this is what they're saying, you're getting the kids for Christmas?
This yere okay, I don't know. We have really got
a narrow down the list. I will say for us
it's less. I felt like the last couple of years
it's the Amazon and just the random stuff that they
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don't then play with a few weeks later. So I
feel like the kids are getting to an age where
we're going to do an experience. So I just need
to figure out what that is, whether it's OHII next
year or just something where it's a trip. Yeah, I agree,
I still have to open something. This is what I'm
going to do. I'm going to get Jace the TikTok
smart watch. Is this like a Gab? It's like a gab. Okay,
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I haven't heard of this one. I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I need to get one for Leggie something like it,
and Gab has been sold out. Okay, yeah, this could
be good for me. So yeah, that's what I'm giving
for them. And then Jolie, I am going to do
an Apple Watch for Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Are we nervous about Apple?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
No, just because I'm going to take everything off and
it's just going to be she's able to communicate with,
you know, her parents, a grandparent, and then I will
know where her location is so she can't play games.
She can't do any of that stuff on it. That's
why I like gab. So yeah, that's that's where. And
then as she gets older, I can loosen up on
some of the like things. But yeah, they want an
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in ground tramplinge oh, my kids, they'll scare me.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
They are same human and I've also can't you just jump?
And then like but if we have so.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Many in our neighborhood and they love it, and I
also do agree. It's such a great exercise and I
love that it's something that's like physically active. I just
struggle because every er or you know, nurse or doctor
friend that I have is like, no e bikes, no trampolines.
That's like where we see most injuries. Oh, we love
our trampoline, but it is above ground.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I know, I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
It's a spring free one. It was a little bit
more expensive, but we liked it. Okay, what's your go
to self care ritual when you need to reset? I
love a good sauna and then a shower.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Got a girl. I love.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
If I had a sauna, I would pick that or
hopefully getting one this winter. Actually, I love a bath.
A bath, Yeah, that's that's Allan. It is like put
me in every put me in water. It's like the
big fat Greek wedding windecks. Everything's a bath in our house.
Everything you got a stomach ache, put you in a bath.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Have some baths forever. It's our windecks.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Do you really believe there's a honeymoon phase in relationships?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yes? Yeah, I was a smitten kitten for a long time.
I mean a long time.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I just think you, of course, the first few months
you're gonna get someone's best foot forward. Yeah, I think
it's truly who they are, but you're not. But I
do think there's a I mean, I remember this very
It's like what would what will we ever fight about?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Oh? Famous last road?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
That's cute, but you know what I mean, it's it's
just one of those things where it's yes. But I
think you can have that phase come in and a
thread in and out through the relationship.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I feel like our tenure really feels a little honeymoony again,
as much as it can for knowing every single thing
about somebody and still hating that they don't clean the bathroom,
you know, right. I also thank God designed us a
little bit to have this honeymoon phase. It's like the
mating season, right, Like, I really think we're designed to
be so smitten that we want to mate with each
other because I think if you instantly saw that he
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doesn't clean them aroom, you might not sign up for
it for life.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Small Theories by Kaby Small Theories be honest?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Do you stalk your exes or just let karma handle it?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I actually want you to go first.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Why well, I don't want to throw you under the bus.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
You might have more xes. No, how rude or honest?
Is honest? Do you stalk your ex's creamer? Listen? Okay,
that's not a no.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I like it when we know it's not a no, no,
no no, I I used to okay, okay, okay, So
it's one of those okay, okay. I don't think there's
a woman that hasn't looked up there at on social media? Yeah,
I would agree, right, I actually don't look up mine. Yeah,
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but I will go so I don't either. I will
get people sent people send me things yeah all the time.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Oh for you, for sure?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Mine is more just like, look, he got married and
I actually enjoyed knowing that because your ex.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Sasma got married. M hmm, oh when.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Was that.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Time? Is a big joke, but I for recent we
never talked about that. Yeah, of course not why.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I mean it was just sent to me, and I
was like, oh, I just felt I felt happy that
he's happy.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Good. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Oh, I've always just wanted him to be happy. Right,
he's a he's a good person. Yeah. Yeah, it just
it just is weird because it's also like it's cute.
The way it gets sent to me is, hey, I
just want to update you.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Also if you don't want to know, I don't have
to send. I'm like, no, that's fine, that's exciting, right,
But I don't Yeah. I just always hope he's happy.
I hope they all are.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
One actually another extras also got married. He's been with
someone I think a long time and I think they
just got married.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Oh that's sweet. Yeah. They have like a kid together.
And he's amazing. See that's the thing. I think he's amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I don't know, I've talked like twenty three years, but
I just I loved him. He was my high school guy, right,
so special to me, and I love that he's happy.
And she's gorgeous. And they have a family, and I
like that he got married. Yeah, So I mean it's
been a long time since I've looked at an ex's page,
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because again it's people will sometimes send me something and
I'm like, great, you know what I mean. But yes,
in past, of course I've looked at but not too
it's not more of a stalking. Yeah, Stocking's making me
feel apprehensive about this question. I think, yeah, but a
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longing way. And this is also we'll say before his BA,
before Alan right in the single days, you know. But yeah,
I don't think there I really truly do not think
there is a girl out there that hasn't it's curiosity's page. Yeah,
we all want to know, but if you're going.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
To it on a.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Regular occurrence, that's you know that that's something that or
in you're when you're I think to your heart posture,
when you look right, if you're going in like a
we'll see you know, or.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
If you're just like I hope he's happy. Well.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
The thing is is when someone says, you know, do
stock your exes or just like carm a handle And
that's the piece that I kind of want to address
because I thank you that clearing the throat. But there's
a specific X that I intentionally.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
That I follow.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
This is so good, and and I see all of
the little reddits getting their laptops VI ed up. No, well,
I mean obviously we know who I follow. That's an
ex but you know it's it's more just I will
sometimes go look to see what the kids might be
up to, but I have to just distance myself from
any sort of resentment level.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
No, I agree. We can tell a lot about the
tone of it by the karma.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Well, when speaking to the karma piece of it, though,
I would just say, I think.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Karma is just really real.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I do. I just people are going it's going to
be what it will be, exactly Like I know certain
information that it's not my business to share about certain
exes that I know about that have people have dm'd
me about, and it is not mine to share or
to expose, whether they why they don't have said girlfriend
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anymore or this or whatever it is. It is not
that is that is all handled like, it's not it's
not mine to deal with or to And I think
karma just if you don't clean your street in your insides,
it's going to keep happening. And that's not karma, that's
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just repeated behavior behavior. Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Agreed.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
And I'm not the kind of person that wants any
thing to catch up to anyone. I just want everyone
to be happy, agreed. So and I will say this too.
I even reached out to someone and said that is
with an X that was like, I am so happy
for you guys, and I just because I just want
you guys to know how happy I am for you guys,
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and I wish nothing but love for everybody, because there
was always kind of a weird energy. And person wrote
back like, oh my gosh, same. Your family's so beautiful too.
And it's so interesting because people when they're with other sides,
you might start to create this own narrative like oh,
this person's a bitch or this person must think this,
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when really everyone's just rooting for each other. And I
think that's what's so beautiful is because I'm like, I
don't like any negative energy, so I'm just gonna share
where my heart is with it. And then when they
shared their heart, you know that the woman too, I
was like.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
This is great.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And the next time we saw each other, big old smiles,
lead with vulnerability. Look where you got everyone just everyone wants.
Everyone wants, you know, be happy everyone.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
That's right. I love that.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Okay, next question, what's something used to be shy about
that you completely own? Now? What if I really, Oh,
you don't have anything used to be shy about. I
mean I have a deep insecurity. Oh really, I think
it roots from childhood. I won't get emotional, but there's
this totally can no. Well, I do know that's a
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safe place here, but I'm going to try to make
it through one whole episode of the Grind.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I've got new goals. I used to have this. There
was this narrative.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
There was this narrative about me talking maybe too much,
having too many opinions. That was like growing up there
was it was always that. And so then I married
into a duo, and I think at the beginning who
I am is.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Not the norm.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
For a lot of women in my position, Like I
still want to do broadcasting, and I grew up in radio,
and you know, like I've been so unafraid in career.
So my my shyness is that I always there is
this piece of me that is like, you talk too much.
Even on here, you and I have had conversations offline
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that I'm like, well, I don't want to. I don't
want to say too much like it's your podcast and
I don't want to talk too much like that is
it's a real thing for me. And then I was like, girl,
I use your opinion. Yeah, you're like, no talk all
the time, but I don't. I have this like weird
if it's not mine, then I'm dominating the space. Did
I talk too much? Did I take up too much room?
It's like that it's interesting right at forty three. But
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also I'm not afraid to like fill in gaps and
tie things together or you know, and that probably comes
from like the morning show piece of it. So but
I think I'm getting better at owning it. What would
you say for mine that I own now your past,
my past and which piece just all of it. I
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I think your sweet spot has been you just owning
every choice and owning that you've loved maybe the wrong
people or that has been to me your superpower. Like
I hear it most from people, whether it's random followers
or just friends of mine that like, listen to this,
but just the fact that you're like they make you
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make it. You have made people feel like it's okay
to have loved the wrong person and learned from it.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
That's really special though, because a lot of like even
I carried shame that I was married before and it
didn't work out. I don't think anybody that gets divorced
doesn't feel a little bit of that, Yeah, because it
feels like the ultimate failure, you know, but you just
have made it be, so it's okay. Well, I think
there's something to be said about when anything does happen,
and listen, I've not been perfect, and I think I
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speak a lot about that.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I've been flawed. I am flawed, we all are.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I am imperfect on things, but that to me is
a chance to flip it and find growth and learn
from it. How can I be better? How can I?
You know, even when in my last marriage, how could
I have been better? What can I? Who can I?
How can I become a better person through this?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Even in my marriage now? How can I learn from this?
How can I? How can I take what's happening in
this moment and be better and do better? And I
think it's I think that's important because if not, then
you wear this shame badge. That's not fair. Because again,
we are all in perfect humans, and some imperfect humans
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don't do well with other imperfect humans. Right, That's why
I hope ex'es are living their best life. It's why
you hope ex'es are living their best life because together
we just maybe didn't work well. But like that doesn't
mean they're not going to go be amazing with someone else.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Totally. Yeah, And they've done the work again too.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I know the work that I've done, and that's the
biggest piece. I'm like, if I could give back those pieces,
like this is where I was not a great person,
and this is where I craved love and attention and
you know, wanting because I wanted a perfect fricking family,
And I'm like, no, So it's but now it's different
boundaries and I've learned more about myself and healing, and
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you know, those pieces are so important to put that
together and to understand why, and then you can have
grace for other people that are going through things you
know that haven't tapped into that, or that don't understand
why their patterns led them to do X Y or
Z yep.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
It can be frustrating when.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
You're on the other side of it, but it's also
an opportunity to to heal and grow and learn through
all of it. Everything we own provides freedom for someone else,
and I just ultimately want people to have freedom. Yeah,
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who's been your most unexpectedly flirty podcast guest?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Oh? Juicy? Have we had one?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I don't think anyone's been inappropriate.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
We don't really have a lot of dudes, though, do we. No?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
No, I don't think anybody has been flirty. I wish
this Has anyone ever been flirty? Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Was I here for that person? Jason Oppenheim? Was I here? What?
I don't think I was here? I don't know. I
wasn't here.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
He flirts with everyone. I love you, Jason, but he flirts. Yeah, yeah, No,
I wasn't here. He's a sweetheart. But he did ask
me out, that's true. I see I blinked that out.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
He did.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
It was on air the Hannah goes didn't he ask
you out? Oh that's funny. Okay, that's him. Then, yeah,
everybody else, I feel like it is so respectful.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
He's no. And here's the thing. He is so respectful.
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Like we even had lunch with a friend. I was
introducing him to our realtor friend and he's such a
sweet man. But isn't it wild though when people are
really flirty like I used to be flirty, I want
to own that.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Can we talk to me too? Like I remember when
I used to be flirty. I just remember one of
my bosses.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
This is so embarrassing my visions an, I'm gonna say
it because I feel like I just say it all here.
But I had a boss when I first started in
the country music on the record label side of country music,
you know, like it's just such an inappropriate industry as
a whole. And I remember taking a picture with one
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of my like program directors with my hand on his chest.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
And my if we or are we like going to prompt?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
And I got a call for my boss the next
day and he was like, Hey, I just want to
like run, you know, I just want to talk to
you about something really quick. He's like, this isn't dramatic,
and I'm not upset by any means, but I do
think it's important for you to know that like that
would be perceived a certain way. And I was so
thankful for he is, by the way, Jimmy Harnan, I
just want to say out loud because he's just such
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a he was such a good boss to me and
such a good like dad to me. Well, I want
to say it's the Michigan in us because I was
the same win my radio tour. I'm hugging every program
and I I mean, I'm just like, huh, it's in its.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
We do have this.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
There's this midwife stern way of just like blowing people,
not understanding boundaries and just you know.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I remember somebody on wind down onto or one.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Time, this girl she knew she had to have listened
because she came up to me afterwards and she was like, Hi,
I'm so and soon a big fan. And I mean
it's as if they say that my arm's just open.
It's a reflag, like you know, like I'm gonna attack them.
And she goes and I'm not comfortable with hugging, and
I was like, oh, yeah, okay, like I didn't know.
It's almost like I had this like twitching. Yeah, like
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I was short circuit. I was like like what to
do next? But yeah, that's embarrassing, but that's true. Yeah flirty,
but yes, I mean, but but now, I mean, I'm
like the farthest thing from oh well, learn a lot
about Yes, our intentions in the moment weren't that, no
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at all. No, And some intentions when I was flirty
was because I wanted to fill that love me, choose
me sure terrible dialogue in my brain. Yeah, I just
wanted to be like popular and good at my job
and you know right, yes, But I was never like
making out with people.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I want to be very clear sure for me, you know,
because a lot of people in our industry do do that.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
But there was this piece that I always felt like
if I wasn't that, then they would perceive me as
that I'm this.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Right, you know, cold hearted. Yeah, yeah, the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Think you're better yeah yeah, yeah, so but then I'm
just like, no, like this is different. I love I
love forty version.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I also think I like appropriate marriage versions one hundred.
So like for me, Preston was the first one to
like call me to the table a little bit and say, like,
guys and girls can't be friends and and that may
seem like a little rough, but it is just kind
of true, Like I don't need to have you know,
like my one of my very best friends is a guy,
and he's just magical but he's equally as friends with Preston.
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He's also not interested in me right or my gender.
I just think there's, like you said, it's totally different,
like how I am with Alan and the respect level
that I have for him, but it's not even for him,
it's for myself too. And that's right thing that we've
also learned that he's you know, had you know walk
through too of when it comes to respect, it's the
it's not actually just for me, it's for him too,
(24:16):
that's right, and it's for me on the flip side
of it. So yeah, exclusivity is really hot to me.
So when someone has a wedding band and acts like it,
I think that's the hottest thing they could do.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yes, amen to that. Well.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I hope you guys enjoyed this Q and A. Stay
tuned for the next one. But I love you, girl,
I love you.
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'mheart Radio Podcast Special
Edition Q and A episode. I love this and also
am equally parts terrified, terrified, terrified, So this these are fun,
they're fan Q and as.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's all fun until it's all funny game censor myself.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
It's all fun and games until it's documented on a
recording that goes out to every iHeart dang it when
Catherine's not here. Sometimes I just you need Kat for
the managerial component. Yeah, we'll just start it. Light Okay,
most challenging part of motherhood? Okay, light topics? M are
(00:48):
we both answering? I would say my most challenging just
about me.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Well, we're going to go like every other. I would
say my most challenging part of motherhood is there's this like.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Push pull of needing time to be your own person
and being so desperately obsessed with people that you don't
want to leave them right. I just think that's the
most challenging thing for me. It's like I need time.
I know I need to go do things for myself.
I also know it's good for them to be with
other people, but then I'm so psychotic that I just
(01:28):
don't want them to be with anyone else because I
don't want to miss anything for sure, and it's being
I mean, I think about those moments when you know,
last night Julie is like, Mommy, will you cuddle and
I'm just like yes, but I'm like, I'm tired. In
some nights, I was talking to actually my Michigan girlfriends
about this because we were just, you know, kind of
(01:51):
talking about highs and lows of parenting, and I said, you, guys,
sometimes I just I'm too.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I don't want to. I'm tired. I want to.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I want to go down and take a nice long
shower or bath. But then I realize how and then
I and sometimes I might say no and then I
go downstairs and it's like, oh, go back upstairs, And
then I go back upstairs because then I feel bad.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I know, it's like that guilt and shame.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Because I know in a couple of years she's not
gonna want to cuddle with me anymore. We also know
what we talk to our therapist about, so I think
that's part of the problem. Right, I'm going every time
I say get cozy and I'll be in in a minute,
and I ugh, this is honest, But sometimes I'm like,
I secretly hope she kind of fades before I get
in it because she's such a talker, loves to download
(02:36):
at the end of every day.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So then I feel guilty. Right.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
The cutest thing actually happened last night, so, you know,
because both the kiddos, because if I cuddle Jolie, I
also got a cuddle, and they're like, can we do
a ten minute twenty minute cuddle? So then it's if
I'm doing twenty for Jolie, I got to twenty for
j so it's forty minutes, and I don't want it
to be like, we don't need to look.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
At the clock.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Let's just cuddle. Yeah, have you know, yeah to time
stamp this, you know. But uh, last night I said,
all right, you get Mom's going this way that way,
and then Jolie, so Jolie picked well they I felt
bad because they did pick me first. But but then
she's like, no, no, I want I want Alan, I
(03:18):
want Alan, saying she felt bad because they both said
MoMA read the room.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Jolie.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I was like, no, no, Jolie, it's okay. I was
like mom in the corner. But when I so when
I finished cuddling with Jase. I came back in and
both of them were passed out like they both like
he like fell asleep with like her like in his arms.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
It was so it was precious but sweet.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
But no, I I so I agree with you on that,
but I'll also say it's the we are in that stage.
I'm in that stage where I still have to to
grind and maybe take things that I necessarily don't maybe
want to take. And then I missed certain things, but
I also know that, I mean, I have to, but
(03:59):
I think it's important for them to see that too.
So I agree what I and the mom shame, I'm
really trying to take that title off of us because
it's not fair. It's not fair to wear that or
or have that guilt. It's so that's where I love
the reframing of it. It's like, you know, mommy gets
to do what she loves too, and that's great and
(04:20):
here and have them be a part of it as well.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
That's right, oh mom life.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
We'll do kids though, what is the big gift? And
this is what they're saying, you're getting the kids for Christmas?
This yere okay, I don't know. We have really got
a narrow down the list. I will say for us
it's less. I felt like the last couple of years
it's the Amazon and just the random stuff that they
(04:46):
don't then play with a few weeks later. So I
feel like the kids are getting to an age where
we're going to do an experience. So I just need
to figure out what that is, whether it's OHII next
year or just something where it's a trip. Yeah, I agree,
I still have to open something. This is what I'm
going to do. I'm going to get Jace the TikTok
smart watch. Is this like a Gab? It's like a gab. Okay,
(05:08):
I haven't heard of this one. I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I need to get one for Leggie something like it,
and Gab has been sold out. Okay, yeah, this could
be good for me. So yeah, that's what I'm giving
for them. And then Jolie, I am going to do
an Apple Watch for Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Are we nervous about Apple?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
No, just because I'm going to take everything off and
it's just going to be she's able to communicate with,
you know, her parents, a grandparent, and then I will
know where her location is so she can't play games.
She can't do any of that stuff on it. That's
why I like gab. So yeah, that's that's where. And
then as she gets older, I can loosen up on
some of the like things. But yeah, they want an
(05:45):
in ground tramplinge oh, my kids, they'll scare me.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
They are same human and I've also can't you just jump?
And then like but if we have so.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Many in our neighborhood and they love it, and I
also do agree. It's such a great exercise and I
love that it's something that's like physically active. I just
struggle because every er or you know, nurse or doctor
friend that I have is like, no e bikes, no trampolines.
That's like where we see most injuries. Oh, we love
our trampoline, but it is above ground.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I know, I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
It's a spring free one. It was a little bit
more expensive, but we liked it. Okay, what's your go
to self care ritual when you need to reset? I
love a good sauna and then a shower.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Got a girl. I love.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
If I had a sauna, I would pick that or
hopefully getting one this winter. Actually, I love a bath.
A bath, Yeah, that's that's Allan. It is like put
me in every put me in water. It's like the
big fat Greek wedding windecks. Everything's a bath in our house.
Everything you got a stomach ache, put you in a bath.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Have some baths forever. It's our windecks.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Do you really believe there's a honeymoon phase in relationships?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yes? Yeah, I was a smitten kitten for a long time.
I mean a long time.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I just think you, of course, the first few months
you're gonna get someone's best foot forward. Yeah, I think
it's truly who they are, but you're not. But I
do think there's a I mean, I remember this very
It's like what would what will we ever fight about?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Oh? Famous last road?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
That's cute, but you know what I mean, it's it's
just one of those things where it's yes. But I
think you can have that phase come in and a
thread in and out through the relationship.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I feel like our tenure really feels a little honeymoony again,
as much as it can for knowing every single thing
about somebody and still hating that they don't clean the bathroom,
you know, right. I also thank God designed us a
little bit to have this honeymoon phase. It's like the
mating season, right, Like, I really think we're designed to
be so smitten that we want to mate with each
other because I think if you instantly saw that he
(07:59):
doesn't clean them aroom, you might not sign up for
it for life.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Small Theories by Kaby Small Theories be honest?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Do you stalk your exes or just let karma handle it?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I actually want you to go first.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Why well, I don't want to throw you under the bus.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
You might have more xes. No, how rude or honest?
Is honest? Do you stalk your ex's creamer? Listen? Okay,
that's not a no.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I like it when we know it's not a no, no,
no no, I I used to okay, okay, okay, So
it's one of those okay, okay. I don't think there's
a woman that hasn't looked up there at on social media? Yeah,
I would agree, right, I actually don't look up mine. Yeah,
(09:08):
but I will go so I don't either. I will
get people sent people send me things yeah all the time.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Oh for you, for sure?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Mine is more just like, look, he got married and
I actually enjoyed knowing that because your ex.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Sasma got married. M hmm, oh when.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Was that.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Time? Is a big joke, but I for recent we
never talked about that. Yeah, of course not why.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I mean it was just sent to me, and I
was like, oh, I just felt I felt happy that
he's happy.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Good. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Oh, I've always just wanted him to be happy. Right,
he's a he's a good person. Yeah. Yeah, it just
it just is weird because it's also like it's cute.
The way it gets sent to me is, hey, I
just want to update you.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Also if you don't want to know, I don't have
to send. I'm like, no, that's fine, that's exciting, right,
But I don't Yeah. I just always hope he's happy.
I hope they all are.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
One actually another extras also got married. He's been with
someone I think a long time and I think they
just got married.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Oh that's sweet. Yeah. They have like a kid together.
And he's amazing. See that's the thing. I think he's amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I don't know, I've talked like twenty three years, but
I just I loved him. He was my high school guy, right,
so special to me, and I love that he's happy.
And she's gorgeous. And they have a family, and I
like that he got married. Yeah, So I mean it's
been a long time since I've looked at an ex's page,
(10:42):
because again it's people will sometimes send me something and
I'm like, great, you know what I mean. But yes,
in past, of course I've looked at but not too
it's not more of a stalking. Yeah, Stocking's making me
feel apprehensive about this question. I think, yeah, but a
(11:03):
longing way. And this is also we'll say before his BA,
before Alan right in the single days, you know. But yeah,
I don't think there I really truly do not think
there is a girl out there that hasn't it's curiosity's page. Yeah,
we all want to know, but if you're going.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
To it on a.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Regular occurrence, that's you know that that's something that or
in you're when you're I think to your heart posture,
when you look right, if you're going in like a
we'll see you know, or.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
If you're just like I hope he's happy. Well.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
The thing is is when someone says, you know, do
stock your exes or just like carm a handle And
that's the piece that I kind of want to address
because I thank you that clearing the throat. But there's
a specific X that I intentionally.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
That I follow.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
This is so good, and and I see all of
the little reddits getting their laptops VI ed up. No, well,
I mean obviously we know who I follow. That's an
ex but you know it's it's more just I will
sometimes go look to see what the kids might be
up to, but I have to just distance myself from
any sort of resentment level.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
No, I agree. We can tell a lot about the
tone of it by the karma.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Well, when speaking to the karma piece of it, though,
I would just say, I think.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Karma is just really real.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I do. I just people are going it's going to
be what it will be, exactly Like I know certain
information that it's not my business to share about certain
exes that I know about that have people have dm'd
me about, and it is not mine to share or
to expose, whether they why they don't have said girlfriend
(12:57):
anymore or this or whatever it is. It is not
that is that is all handled like, it's not it's
not mine to deal with or to And I think
karma just if you don't clean your street in your insides,
it's going to keep happening. And that's not karma, that's
(13:18):
just repeated behavior behavior. Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Agreed.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
And I'm not the kind of person that wants any
thing to catch up to anyone. I just want everyone
to be happy, agreed. So and I will say this too.
I even reached out to someone and said that is
with an X that was like, I am so happy
for you guys, and I just because I just want
you guys to know how happy I am for you guys,
(13:44):
and I wish nothing but love for everybody, because there
was always kind of a weird energy. And person wrote
back like, oh my gosh, same. Your family's so beautiful too.
And it's so interesting because people when they're with other sides,
you might start to create this own narrative like oh,
this person's a bitch or this person must think this,
(14:06):
when really everyone's just rooting for each other. And I
think that's what's so beautiful is because I'm like, I
don't like any negative energy, so I'm just gonna share
where my heart is with it. And then when they
shared their heart, you know that the woman too, I
was like.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
This is great.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And the next time we saw each other, big old smiles,
lead with vulnerability. Look where you got everyone just everyone wants.
Everyone wants, you know, be happy everyone.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
That's right. I love that.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Okay, next question, what's something used to be shy about
that you completely own? Now? What if I really, Oh,
you don't have anything used to be shy about. I
mean I have a deep insecurity. Oh really, I think
it roots from childhood. I won't get emotional, but there's
this totally can no. Well, I do know that's a
(14:53):
safe place here, but I'm going to try to make
it through one whole episode of the Grind.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I've got new goals. I used to have this. There
was this narrative.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
There was this narrative about me talking maybe too much,
having too many opinions. That was like growing up there
was it was always that. And so then I married
into a duo, and I think at the beginning who
I am is.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Not the norm.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
For a lot of women in my position, Like I
still want to do broadcasting, and I grew up in radio,
and you know, like I've been so unafraid in career.
So my my shyness is that I always there is
this piece of me that is like, you talk too much.
Even on here, you and I have had conversations offline
(15:47):
that I'm like, well, I don't want to. I don't
want to say too much like it's your podcast and
I don't want to talk too much like that is
it's a real thing for me. And then I was like, girl,
I use your opinion. Yeah, you're like, no talk all
the time, but I don't. I have this like weird
if it's not mine, then I'm dominating the space. Did
I talk too much? Did I take up too much room?
It's like that it's interesting right at forty three. But
(16:09):
also I'm not afraid to like fill in gaps and
tie things together or you know, and that probably comes
from like the morning show piece of it. So but
I think I'm getting better at owning it. What would
you say for mine that I own now your past,
my past and which piece just all of it. I
(16:32):
I think your sweet spot has been you just owning
every choice and owning that you've loved maybe the wrong
people or that has been to me your superpower. Like
I hear it most from people, whether it's random followers
or just friends of mine that like, listen to this,
but just the fact that you're like they make you
(16:54):
make it. You have made people feel like it's okay
to have loved the wrong person and learned from it.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
That's really special though, because a lot of like even
I carried shame that I was married before and it
didn't work out. I don't think anybody that gets divorced
doesn't feel a little bit of that, Yeah, because it
feels like the ultimate failure, you know, but you just
have made it be, so it's okay. Well, I think
there's something to be said about when anything does happen,
and listen, I've not been perfect, and I think I
(17:24):
speak a lot about that.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I've been flawed. I am flawed, we all are.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I am imperfect on things, but that to me is
a chance to flip it and find growth and learn
from it. How can I be better? How can I?
You know, even when in my last marriage, how could
I have been better? What can I? Who can I?
How can I become a better person through this?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Even in my marriage now? How can I learn from this?
How can I? How can I take what's happening in
this moment and be better and do better? And I
think it's I think that's important because if not, then
you wear this shame badge. That's not fair. Because again,
we are all in perfect humans, and some imperfect humans
(18:12):
don't do well with other imperfect humans. Right, That's why
I hope ex'es are living their best life. It's why
you hope ex'es are living their best life because together
we just maybe didn't work well. But like that doesn't
mean they're not going to go be amazing with someone else.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Totally. Yeah, And they've done the work again too.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I know the work that I've done, and that's the
biggest piece. I'm like, if I could give back those pieces,
like this is where I was not a great person,
and this is where I craved love and attention and
you know, wanting because I wanted a perfect fricking family,
And I'm like, no, So it's but now it's different
boundaries and I've learned more about myself and healing, and
(18:50):
you know, those pieces are so important to put that
together and to understand why, and then you can have
grace for other people that are going through things you
know that haven't tapped into that, or that don't understand
why their patterns led them to do X Y or
Z yep.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
It can be frustrating when.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
You're on the other side of it, but it's also
an opportunity to to heal and grow and learn through
all of it. Everything we own provides freedom for someone else,
and I just ultimately want people to have freedom. Yeah,
(19:36):
who's been your most unexpectedly flirty podcast guest?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Oh? Juicy? Have we had one?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I don't think anyone's been inappropriate.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
We don't really have a lot of dudes, though, do we. No?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
No, I don't think anybody has been flirty. I wish
this Has anyone ever been flirty? Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Was I here for that person? Jason Oppenheim? Was I here? What?
I don't think I was here? I don't know. I
wasn't here.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
He flirts with everyone. I love you, Jason, but he flirts. Yeah, yeah, No,
I wasn't here. He's a sweetheart. But he did ask
me out, that's true. I see I blinked that out.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
He did.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
It was on air the Hannah goes didn't he ask
you out? Oh that's funny. Okay, that's him. Then, yeah,
everybody else, I feel like it is so respectful.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
He's no. And here's the thing. He is so respectful.
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Like we even had lunch with a friend. I was
introducing him to our realtor friend and he's such a
sweet man. But isn't it wild though when people are
really flirty like I used to be flirty, I want
to own that.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Can we talk to me too? Like I remember when
I used to be flirty. I just remember one of
my bosses.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
This is so embarrassing my visions an, I'm gonna say
it because I feel like I just say it all here.
But I had a boss when I first started in
the country music on the record label side of country music,
you know, like it's just such an inappropriate industry as
a whole. And I remember taking a picture with one
(21:16):
of my like program directors with my hand on his chest.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
And my if we or are we like going to prompt?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
And I got a call for my boss the next
day and he was like, Hey, I just want to
like run, you know, I just want to talk to
you about something really quick. He's like, this isn't dramatic,
and I'm not upset by any means, but I do
think it's important for you to know that like that
would be perceived a certain way. And I was so
thankful for he is, by the way, Jimmy Harnan, I
just want to say out loud because he's just such
(21:43):
a he was such a good boss to me and
such a good like dad to me. Well, I want
to say it's the Michigan in us because I was
the same win my radio tour. I'm hugging every program
and I I mean, I'm just like, huh, it's in its.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
We do have this.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
There's this midwife stern way of just like blowing people,
not understanding boundaries and just you know.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I remember somebody on wind down onto or one.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Time, this girl she knew she had to have listened
because she came up to me afterwards and she was like, Hi,
I'm so and soon a big fan. And I mean
it's as if they say that my arm's just open.
It's a reflag, like you know, like I'm gonna attack them.
And she goes and I'm not comfortable with hugging, and
I was like, oh, yeah, okay, like I didn't know.
It's almost like I had this like twitching. Yeah, like
(22:28):
I was short circuit. I was like like what to
do next? But yeah, that's embarrassing, but that's true. Yeah flirty,
but yes, I mean, but but now, I mean, I'm
like the farthest thing from oh well, learn a lot
about Yes, our intentions in the moment weren't that, no
(22:51):
at all. No, And some intentions when I was flirty
was because I wanted to fill that love me, choose
me sure terrible dialogue in my brain. Yeah, I just
wanted to be like popular and good at my job
and you know right, yes, But I was never like
making out with people.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
I want to be very clear sure for me, you know,
because a lot of people in our industry do do that.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
But there was this piece that I always felt like
if I wasn't that, then they would perceive me as
that I'm this.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Right, you know, cold hearted. Yeah, yeah, the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Think you're better yeah yeah, yeah, so but then I'm
just like, no, like this is different. I love I
love forty version.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I also think I like appropriate marriage versions one hundred.
So like for me, Preston was the first one to
like call me to the table a little bit and say, like,
guys and girls can't be friends and and that may
seem like a little rough, but it is just kind
of true, Like I don't need to have you know,
like my one of my very best friends is a guy,
and he's just magical but he's equally as friends with Preston.
(23:54):
He's also not interested in me right or my gender.
I just think there's, like you said, it's totally different,
like how I am with Alan and the respect level
that I have for him, but it's not even for him,
it's for myself too. And that's right thing that we've
also learned that he's you know, had you know walk
through too of when it comes to respect, it's the
it's not actually just for me, it's for him too,
(24:16):
that's right, and it's for me on the flip side
of it. So yeah, exclusivity is really hot to me.
So when someone has a wedding band and acts like it,
I think that's the hottest thing they could do.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yes, amen to that. Well.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I hope you guys enjoyed this Q and A. Stay
tuned for the next one. But I love you, girl,
I love you.
Host
Jana Kramer
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