August 20, 2025 • 39 mins
If you’ve seen Clayton Echard on The Bachelor or Netflix’s Perfect Match, you probably have some thoughts, but he’s here to clear the air with Jana and Kristen and he’s holding nothing back!
Jana asks the tough questions to find out why Clayton continues to go on reality TV, and what celebrities DMs he’s slid into!
Plus, find out why Jana thinks it would benefit Clayton to stay single until he’s 40!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and iHeartRadio Podcast. All Right,
so today's guest, we are bringing on Clayton. He was
on the Bachelorette, he was a bachelor, and now he's
on the Perfect Match. He is quite the villain, but
is he really? Who is Clayton?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Is?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
The question? Is Clayton ready for true love? Bom boom boom,
Here he comes.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Hey, guys, how's it going?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Hi? Oh are you good?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I'm doing great?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Good?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Look at that little grin. Clayton's like, what am I
up against? Two women on a couch? This ought to
be comfortable.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
This is gonna be one on one thing.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I didn't realize I was going to be the the
outnumbered one.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Don't act like you're not used to dating two girls
at once, Clayton.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
But I bring another twenty eight of you guys, the
real quick, very.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Good Clayton, Clayton, I'm Jana. This is Krista. Hi Clayton. Yeah, So,
I mean, listen, I don't want you to feel ganged
up on, but we are two scorned women.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Essentially, I'm gonna get ganged upfore.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Okay, we're about twenty years older than your normal age group,
so we have perspective on a lot of things. I
think that, yeah, it's probably refreshing, but.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
No, fair enough. Yeah, I'm all for accountability.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Okay, good, I think do we see?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I see fifty two minutes on a timer? So you
guys were already rolling. So did you already do some
pre talk before I came it came in here?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
No, we did some pre clarification. We did see this.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I have to listen to it now. You guys are
like the first off, just so you all know the listeners,
this guy sucks. He's about to come in the room.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
No.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It did take a minute with your org chart though,
because it gets a little confusing with all the women.
And then we went back and revisited a couple so
I just needed a second to get on it. Gosh,
I guess like my first thing is because if I'm honest, right,
I hear, I hear obviously all the things and you
see the headline, and I'm the first person that you
(02:02):
know this is headlines are headlines. They're meant to be
not super kind and you know, but I guess for you,
what do you think people's perception of you is? And
then what is like who is claim because I would
love to get to know you as opposed to what
I have been told about you. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah? So I mean, yes, it makes complete sense. So
who am I? Which? I love that question.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
I in fact, I like to bring it up myself.
It depends on who you ask. So I know that
my perception on social media and then my perception on
reality television, and then my real life persona are all different.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
In a way, I.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Would say that my social media perception and my real
life version me are very close, but the reality television
version I feel is different from my real life self.
And the reason I say that is because what I
believe people think I am is a villain based off
of my reality TV experience. I had a hard time
on an understanding that they're accepting it for a while,
(03:15):
and I blamed production.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I've still nowadays, I mean, as of.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Recently, I've started to be like, hey, look like it's
a shared effort. I do believe that the edit has
something to do with it. That being said, I've just
come to terms with there's really no nuance that's ever
shown on reality television, Like they just don't have time
they have to Basically, it's good or bad.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
So it's either happy or sad.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
We need to get the audience to see someone as
good and the other as bad. And every situation that
I've been on TV, I've been the bad guy. Well
that makes sense because you really couldn't make the other
party bad, like you can't really make them the bad
people because I was the one doing the breaking up.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
So it makes sense.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
But there's a lot of deeper discussions that are being
cut from the edit that I feel if you sat
and listened to it and you'd be like, all right,
I understand, like there's reasoning behind all of this. We're
getting this like quick cut high emotion, you know, and
he looks like he doesn't care, when it's like I
do deeply care. I have trouble sometimes expressing my emotions,
(04:23):
which I'm working through. I grew up in a household
of boys, no sisters, a very old school dad. Like
I'm this is all new to me. Emotional intelligence wasn't
really a thing that I was taught. We were just
taught to go play sports. We didn't talk about our
emotions ever. So I've been working really hard in the
last few years to show, like to just to improve,
(04:44):
to make it easier on my own self. But I
realized that, like, I just went on a TV show
where I broke up with somebody from my past all
over again, and it's like, oh, this guy hasn't changed.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
That's the only thing that I'm like, No, it's not true.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
But I understand why you think that, because you're seeing
a little sliver of my life.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
And yeah, I think they could have been more favorable
on the edit. They just weren't. But that's rare.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
So then what is the truth of that, because you
did technically go back on a show to essentially rebreak
up with someone, right, So what is the truth that
we then didn't see?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Well, I would say this, I don't think it's fair
for people to be heavily scrutinizing me based on what
I did, because what I feel like I did was
I went back to an X that I happened to
bump into after a few years. I would equate this
to like real life scenario, You're out at a bar
in a different state, you bump into an X. You're like,
oh my gosh, what are you doing here? It's been
(05:38):
a few years. You're like, you sit down, you chat
with them, you have some drinks, emotions are running high.
You're like you're remembering all the good times, You're talking
about all the fun moments, and you're happy to see
this individual and everything feels great. Then you decide to
go your separate ways and you wake up the next
morning and the emotions have subsided.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Now the excitement's gone.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
No rationale kicks in and you're like, no, that can't work, Like, yeah,
I was really great to see my ex, but that
there's a reason why I didn't work in the first place.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I feel that's exactly what happened. So I don't I
get blown.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I get frustrated because I see like these pitchforks and
people saying I'm a monster and I don't deserve love,
and I'm getting death threats and all this stuff, and
it's like, guys, I went back to an ex, like
who hasn't done that? And I understand that. Then people say, well,
you should be more cautious about how you handled her,
and it's like I felt like I did say, hey,
(06:33):
look like you got to do it's best for you
and I can't promise anything, and I felt like that
was me saying like, look, we're here. I believe this
is all happening for a reason, and I truly believe that.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
That's the way that I operate.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I'm like, everything that happens to me is not a mistake,
Like every single thing I do. That's that's a belief
system that I employ. So, you know, people mocking me
and saying, oh, he's just saying these things and like, no,
I believe them. But if you're not going to believe
my words, then you won't believe me. And I think again,
people are just looking for a villain in my opinion,
project their own emotions onto I'm like, I didn't kill anybody.
(07:07):
I didn't do anything super serious. I gave it a
shot with an X. We talked. A few years had passed.
I thought, hey, we're different people. Maybe we can match now,
maybe this makes sense, like maybe it was the right person,
wrong timing three years ago.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I do get that piece where I mean, I could
think of my password, you know, I can also really
relate to the villain piece and the editing, like, of
course you are the villain in that, because you are
the villain in this, and I do know somebody else
that is coming out on another reality show that was
a villain and I talked to someone that was on
the show. I was like, Oh, what happened to that guy?
(07:41):
I'm curious because I was thinking maybe he was going
to have this authentic return, but he left because the
producers kept badgering him on this one thing and they
made him exactly who they wanted him to be from
the last thing. So it's you know, I get that
you were placed in that, and it's unfortunate that the happening.
You know, So there's a piece that I'm like, oh,
(08:02):
I feel for you, Like that sucks.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Yeah, I was probably naive to like think that, you know,
I was gonna be I thought again, I'm like, I
know how much work I've done, you know, I still,
to this day, I have had to forgive myself because
I took a lot of accountability on my shoulders off
the Bachelor. I took like all the heat and I
was like, oh, maybe I am a monster. Like that's
how bad it got. I started to think, like, believe
what people said about me.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I've now doubled back.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I have self love and self confidence and I'm like
I did not do anything that serious. Like was it bad? Yeah,
But like the whole show's purpose was for me to
date multiple women. I did, and I fell in love
with multiple women. After I fought it for so long,
I was like, I'm not off camera. I was like,
I'm not going to fall in love multiple women. That'd
be a train wreck. I can't do that. But then
you're given permission to do it by the women and
(08:45):
the producers, and you're like, Okay, I'll open my eyes
up to it, but like, hey, there's a chance I
can fall in love the multiple people. You get told
to basically to explore the relationships fully by all final
three women all said that verbatim, and you're like, well,
about to go into fancy suitets, what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
You know?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
So all these all this permission and then you do it,
and it's like you're you're basically thrown out to the
wolves and said you're you're, you're, you're terrible.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And it's like.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I checked in and gate and asked for permission and
thought everything was fine, and then ultimately like was villainized,
and I just I'm not at a place now where
I'm like, you can hold your beliefs, you can think
whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I'll explain nuance if you want to talk about it.
And if you still don't like me at the end
of it, at least you've heard me out.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
But how much of that do you actually believe? Because
I've said that same thing for many years, but it
took me many years to actually not let the comments
affect me. And even to this day, there's still a percentage.
It's a low percentage, but it's still hurts.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah, yea, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I would say, like, I was a major people pleaser
growing up and I'll live until probably about I don't know,
a year ago maybe, and so every comment affected me.
I remember when I was the Bachelor, and it's like
I wouldn't even look at positive comments.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I was like, yeah, whatever, it's positive.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
But then I'd see a negative one and I would
just click in on it and stare at it for
like minutes, and I was like, how can I change
so that this person doesn't think, like think about me
like this anymore? And I said, I've said it multiple times,
like one negative comment held the way to fifty positive comments,
like I needed fifty positive in order for it to
like basically like knock out one negative comment. Well, I
got an influx in negative comments, so I felt like
(10:22):
the whole world was turning against me. But I'm at
a place now where I would say there's only there's
only two comments that nowadays that really upset me.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
One of them I just posted about in my story.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
A woman basically told me that I should I should
have taken my life on one of my.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Mental health posts. So I called her out.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
On her on my story and I usually used to
block out their names. Now I'm like, no, if you're
going to come in and say this to me, be reckless,
like I'm going to air you out.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
So I did, and she deleted her Instagram.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
So whatever she learned her lesson, I suppose, like definitely,
I'm like, good, don't ever say that to someone ever again.
The other thing that like only affects me is when
men try to play be tough in my DMS. That's
just an of an ego thing. So when I get
tough guys, they're like, if I saw you in person,
i'd slap you. I'm like, you wouldn't do shit, dude,
like slap you.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
It was like, I don't know how tough it is.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Actually, Oh, they don't say slap, but I'm like, I
start typing stuff out.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I'm like I would I would pinch you if I
saw you in.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
They're like, oh if I see you in person, like
it's on site, like you're you're not gonna you know,
breathe another breath. And I'm like, dude, shut up, Like,
first off, I'm not afraid of you whatsoever. Like I'm
not trying to be a tough guy. But my ego
gets in the way. It's like, I I know my
stature and I've I've been I plays high level ball.
I'm not afraid of any any man. And I'm just like,
look my ego. That's only two things that gets me.
And I don't ever comment back because I'm like Clayton,
(11:34):
that's immature. You don't need to try to like out
tough in this guy. He's not gonna ever see you
in person. You won't do anything. Who cares anyways, it's
fighting as stupid. But those are the only two things
that get me. Nowadays, people call me ugly, saying I'm
not deserving a love I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Okay, well we know that's that that's not true. Yeah
that you know that's not true. They would have never
put you as the bachelor.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
But all the time, and that's that's.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Because I mean, we get it too, like it's but
that's that's their own in security.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, production.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, and they want to hurt you.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Okay. I think it's really important for people to remember
that reality TV is not reality. I think that we
need to like just have a moment with that because
they're creating scenarios and they're creating plot lines. And I
was part of a program that We're Tired long before
you were born. It was a reality series and they
tried to villainize me kind of, and I was like,
that's gross, and I was just thankful I didn't sign
(12:38):
up for a second show. Clayton, you went back at it, buddy.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, I like this stuff. I think it's I can.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Tell you like it. Yeah, I can tell you like it.
My question for you is are you ready to be
in love and to settle down? Do you seem young
to me? How old are you? Yeah? I mean that's
still young? Yeah, but you do you feel right? Did
you want to be famous or did you want to
fall in love? Or did you want both?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Well, it depends at what point in my life you
asked me, so I Reacheler. Okay, Well, first off, all,
let's go bacherette. Bacherrette, Ok, yeah, uh no, no, no bacherette.
I was literally doing it because I thought, hey, this,
I'm going to maybe just go on the show and
some girl will watch this somewhere in the country because
I was living in Columbia, Missouri, and it was a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
It was a college town, and I was getting old there.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I was like twenty eight, and I was like, oh
my gosh, no one, you know, there's no twenty eight
yearls that live here. Like everybody leaves college town after
they're done. But I was working in medical sales, and
so I thought, hey, if I go on the show,
some girls somewhere in the country is going to see
me and they're going to potentially want to, you know,
potentially pursue me. And so maybe I can like bring
her to Columbia, Missouri because I have this great you know,
this good job. So I thought, just like, hey, throw
(13:45):
myself out there for the world to see and maybe,
like I can you know, find someone, you know, through
social media. That's what I was doing on the Bacheorette.
Bachelor became an opportunity because it was like why would
I not. They're just like, hey, you want to be
the Bachelor. I hadn't even left the bacherette and they
asked me, and I was like, yeah, why not. That's
like a life changing moment, you know, like to be
the Bachelor. Uh. And and then this time around it
(14:07):
was it was opportunity focused. It was like, hey, I
know how what opportunities can come from reality television, brand deals, trips,
Like your life becomes easier in a way, and you
can make easy money. And so I was like, yeah, sure,
I'll do this for opportunity. And then I told the
show I said, I'll keep an open mind, but just
(14:28):
so you know, I have I do have a type.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And like and they bring back your we know.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And they bring back my ex.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
But I said, look, I go, I'm picky, but I'm
willing to like, I am willing to settle down if
the right person comes around.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
That being said, I don't feel any pressure to do.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
So I'm like, what is your type?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
A little bit fiery right now.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
It's it's the last six girls I've talked to Latina,
So I'm really on like talking to.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Like, there's someone that can put you in line. I
think that might be good for you.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
So here's the thing, Like The reason why I reality
television is because I used to live a pretty mundane
life when I was in medical sales prior to reality television.
And once I open up Pandora's box, I was like,
I kind of like a bit of chaos in my life.
I have my day to day. I do real estate,
I do solar panel sales. Makes me good money, and
that stuff's just normal and I know how to do it.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I'm good at it.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
But then I'm like, I get bored now because after
you go on reality television, you're chaping, You're chasing dopamine hits.
You're like, I need I need to feel the high
somewhere else. I played high level football, you know, briefly
in the NFL. It's like I'm chasing a dopamine hit.
Reality television does a really good job of giving me that.
So it's like whenever I get bored with life, whenever
they reached out perfect match it, I was like, yeah, easily,
I'll do this, Like.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
We just want you to come on and dance.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
I was like perfect, And so I was like, I
get to be my goofy self, put out this new
version of me, and it's it excites me. I found
myself before I went on Perfect Match, doing the same
thing with the women I was talking to, though, I
was looking for some girl that I'm like, this is
not a girl that I would marry, but she's the
kind of girl that's going to keep me on my
toes and she's fiery and when I go out, like
I ever know, she's just got a lot of different
(16:02):
you know, a lot of energy to her. So I
think it's probably not what I need long term, but
I do like a woman that's independent, knows what who
she is, and it's like I don't need you, Like
I really don't need you, but we can like I
want you and we can grow together. I kind of
feel like I need that type of individual.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
If I was big sistering him right now, I would
be like, you need another seven to eight years to
do these things and have fun, because I think that
like when you said the like this is just what
I'm hearing. But when you said the getting bored, I'm like,
I to me, do not hear someone that then wants
(16:39):
a serious relationship in this moment, because then it's going
to be boring too once the relationship come. It's like
you it's like you got to get some more fun
out of you, and then you will probably be the
best catch ever.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
You know, maybe I think that the right thing.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
You're not selling me. It's not bad like go go
thirty two.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Oh my gosh, like live there's no rush.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
I mean, mom my mom doesn't want to hear that.
She doesn't hear my parents plats. They said I'll be
single tome forty.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I think that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, but that's okay, And that's
okay because then you then you will be the right person,
like you know, my ex that came off of football
all the things, like he was terrible to me, he
wasn't ready, you know, and who knows when he will be.
But I'm just saying, like I think my husband is
forty when we met. Yeah, there's such thing that I
think switches at that forty with that soul that you
(17:32):
either the energy and the fire that you have in you,
you know, And that's okay, there's something wrong with that.
I just don't want you to continue on the war
path of hurting girls that are sweet girls.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
No, I don't want to do that either, like.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Exactly, especially if you can't adequately express fully right to
them at the moment.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, well, well what do you mean by not adequately.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Like hot seat because you said you have a tough time,
like you're working on it, but if you can't express
fully and that takes time, right.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, I mean I think mainly when I say it's
like I'm not, I don't show it in my face.
So like there were times on Perfect Match where I'm
like watching and people it's a silly example, but I
was match with Juliette. Everyone people like every time Juliette
comes up and talks, he seems so mad. I just
have resting bitch face. That's like I just but I'm like,
I looked at him like laughing. I'm like, it does
look like I am actually annoyed by her coming out
(18:25):
to me, But I'm not. That's just my default face.
Like I don't I'm not really good with my expression.
If I'm sad, you're not gonna see it on my face.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
You're gonna my face whether it's sad, angry, happy, I'll
smile a lot.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
I mean, that's the one thing. It's like, if I'm happy,
you'll see me beaming. You know, my cheesing smile. But
other than that, it's like, I don't have this range
of emotions that you'll ever be able to see on
my face. That's where I think it can sometimes look
like it happened on the Bats or when I did
the Rows Ceremony from Hell and broke up with the women.
It's like people are like, he's heartless. He's just staring
at these women, and it's like I was concerned and
I was white listening to them attentively, but my face
(18:59):
showed like I was bored, and I was like, oh
my gosh, Like and I saw that. I'm like, yeah,
I can see what people are saying, but.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Also you're a human, Like we go through that here too.
People will be like, oh, I could tell that she
was salty or she and I'm like, actually, I was
just listening. I was just listening. And I love that
you're not. You're at a place too where the comments
aren't affecting as much, because I mean, seriously, for like
five years, I was like, Okay, they say I'm this,
and I'm gonna try that. It's exhausting to try to
prove yourself to people that don't know what's in the
(19:28):
four walls and who you truly are, and you know,
and I even hate that I had a preconceived notion
about you because I think you're great. I think you're
just I think you're great. I don't think you're ready. Also, Clayton,
I have a question. I mean, you're precious, but I
still am like, Okay, I.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Would love to prove you guys wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
We'll see I do that shows anything.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
But something that you guys said, you're like, hey, you know,
I think that when you settle down, someone will be boring.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I actually disagree.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I think the most fun times that I had I
could think back to one.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
X Okay it was.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
It was the stupidest, stupidest stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Like I remember like the little jokes that she would make,
and I was like, this makes it so much fun.
If I was sitting in my house right now, I'd
be boring as hell. But I think like when you
have a really strong connection with somebody, it gets more fun.
I don't need to jump out of a plane. I
don't need to like that kind of adrenaline. In fact,
I don't want to do that that kind of stuff,
or like cliff jumping. I mean like I'm like, I
don't need that kind of adrenaline rush. I get an
adrenaline rush being with somebody and building a connection. So
(20:22):
I think, like I just wanted to highlight that. It's
like I think, when I'm with the right person, I
get more. There's no boredom.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
What's that makes sense? I get a say he tracked
me in my thirties and my dating and putting a
camera on it, I'd be mortified, and you would. Your
life would look like cake. I was a train wreck
in my thirties.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I think most of us are. I mean, that's where again,
I'm like, I'm just trying to show people I'm human.
I don't want you to put me on a pedestal,
but I'm tired of people kicking me into a corner.
I'm like, I'm no longer letting y all kick me
into a corner. I'm just not But don't put me
on the pedestal either.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Like, I know what I am. I know my weaknesses,
I know my vices.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I'm like, I know, but I'm like, but you all
keep making out to be a monster in reality television.
I'm not like, I'm I'm nowhere near a monster. I'm
a good person. I'm not great per se like you
can find someone who's a bigger saint. Freddie on Perfect
Match is a perfect example that man's a saint.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I love Freddy, yes, as advertised, advertising as advertised.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
So I'm not on Freddy's playing field. I'm not trying.
I mean, I guess nobody.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
You can't all be Freddy's, do you know? Like that's
what I that's this part of this reality casting. If
it was a bunch of Freddie's, no one would watch
fair enough.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
And I think Freddie even knows that. It's like, yeah,
I mean you want some dramatic individuals like Louis was
a little ringleader, and Louie's personality is so fun.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I actually look up to him.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
He's twenty four years old, but like he's he's authentic
and that's hard to find these days. And so they
pulled the right people all in the room that it's
like here's the stir, here's the sweetheart, you know, here's
the chaos enabler, like they and it all.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Comes together and the show is doing okay.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I think for that reason, right, because there's enough drama
to carry it.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Had we all been perfect, no one watched the show
so and I would.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Never date a Freddy Just so we're clear. So that's
my toxic trait, Like I think he's lovely. You wouldn't either,
I would either. No, we'd run him over.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah why why? Why would him over?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Because he's he's too sweet, but he's not enough man
to me, Like I need someone when and I said
to you, I think you need someone that's a little
firm on you and a little bit a very Scottish husband.
I need his firmness for my wildness. And I have
a red neck husband and he and I needed his
firmness to come in and go. Actually, girls and guys
(22:34):
don't need to be fat and yeah exactly for him
to be like, no, that's not how it flies. Oh
I okay, Like yeah, yeah, we need that for you,
that's all. And I think you could be ready in
a fiery Latino watch I'm saying, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Yeah, that's that's why the last six girls I've talked
to involving La Tina, because I'm like, I'm gravitating towards
that energy because they're just like, who the hell do
you think you are a white boy, Like you're gonna
talk to me like that? Like you have no idea
and I love that. I'm like, I'm like, yell at
me in Spanish.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I love a good I love a good slide in
a DM too. If there's one like celebrity person, who
whose DM would you slide into? H or have you
slid into? I know I can tell my face he's
working on his resting bench face.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I I actually I don't slide a lot of dms.
Like I'm like, I just don't. I have goals right
now like I do have like six month goals. I'm
going to buy a house and I'm going to buy it,
remodel it and all that. So I'm like, look, all
I'm focused on right now is making money. My dms
are open. If somebody wants to slide. Some Latina hears
this and it's like, oh, I'm going to go for it.
Go for it, be my guest. It's not that I'm
(23:38):
not responding, but I'm just I'm not right now. I'm
just like, hey, I got six month goals to get
buy the house, remodel it, buy the nice car, so
I can kind of live the Scottsdale life, you know,
and enjoy that part of my life. And then on
the other side of that, you know, ideally, but I'm like, look,
if somebody walks in my life tomorrow, I'm not gonna
be like, oh sorry, I got six month goals.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
You're not a partner.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Sure, Let's usually when someone does walk around, you have
the plans, right.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
So have you have you said you're sories to anyone
that might have needed a sorry from the shows?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, all of them.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Have they been received? Well?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I just like we can say just names, we can
say names Rachel, like, I mean, because that was the
most recent one, Like, ultimately, yeah, we're good. We I
talked her on the phone a couple of days ago.
She wasn't she wasn't too happy about something that I
you know, just we're checking in with each other and
like the podcast and the things we're saying, and it's
like but ultimately, again the show didn't show it, but
(24:38):
her and I both apologize to each other.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
She apologized to me the next day.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
They didn't show that I apologize to her, you know,
so it was good. It was kosher. It was like,
and I thought they'd show that. I'm like, hey, I
think everybody would love to like see what it would
be like to have two exes be amicable and apologize,
because like, I think everybody kind of wants that in
their own life.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Nobody wants to like hate their X, so I thought
they might show that.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
It's like, hey, like too sure, people saying, here's why
I was upset.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Last night, this is why we did what we did.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
You know, they didn't show it, and I was like, Okay,
I guess that wasn't really that important to you all,
but it seemed important to me. But yeah, I've apologized
to everybody that I've hurt, you know. I think the
only issue right now is people expect me to take
full accountability.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
And I'm like, it takes two to tango.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I don't need to, Like, I don't know much how
much more you want me to say, Like I'm one
hundred percent at fault for this, and I don't believe
it there's another party involved, like it's equally their fault,
you know, like this this could have never This would
have never happened had that person you know, not allowed
it to. So I'm like, I don't believe that I
should take one hundred percent accountability. That's a fifty to
fifty like it could have in my opinion. So that's
just where I stand on it. But I have people
(25:40):
like he's not taking accountability. I'm like, no, I'm not
taking one hundred percent accountability. Because Rachel made the decision
to match with me, that's on her. That's also on her.
So I'm like, that's at least fifty to fifty. You know,
she could have said no, and I said, you do,
it's best for you. So I'm like, I don't like, again,
why are we throwing all the blame on me? It's
just simple to do. But she also is a part
of that conversation.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Do you do another show if they offer it? Have
they offered another show? I shouldn't start it there. Okay,
would you do another show if they offer it? Are
you he'll get a free trip to one of those
Hawaii places or you know, the Virgin Version cruises.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I'm open.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
I would rather not do another dating show. I would
rather do like a game show, something.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Like something special Forces.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, that seems kind of tough. I don't know. I've
already subjected myself to all two minutes ago.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
You were a tough guy, say consistent.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I can do it. No, I can do it. I
don't have anything to prove though.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
I'm like, I've already like proved my toughness to myself
when playing playing football, Like I don't need to try
to prove everybody that I have this masculine energy, Like
I don't like that just seems like a tough show.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I would do it.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
That's the clip they're going to use when you do
do Special Forces. By the way, the last twenty seconds
that you just said is going to be what they
do in boot camp.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean I could.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
I think I believe I can survive it, but I would.
I want to do something like Traders that that sounds
more fun to me, like to be able to like
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
But what I do a dating show? Sure if the
money's right always yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I mean, listen, I get it, you know what I mean,
Like we shoot the things I've said yes too for money? Yeah,
you know, like, well, let's clarify that that sounds were
certain ads like you know that I wish I didn't do,
you know, and then ask stuff movies. I'm like, yeah,
it pays the bells, you know, I get it.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Yeah, I mean, look, at the end of the day,
like I'm trying to set myself up in my future.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Absolutely, what's your dream Clayton? Like, what if you in
this moment, the thirty two year old Clayton, the scorned
reality TV non villain rectified? What is your dream job?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Like?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
What is something you've always wanted to do?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Speak on mental health?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
I was doing that until I got hit with the
paternity scandal. Not that woman, in my eyes, took it
away from me, which but it was also my doing.
Like I engaged with her intimately, you know, got me
in a whole lot of trouble and like it unfortunately
knocked out all my speaking engagements. When I talked to
like kids' seventh grade up about sixth grade, probably like
sixth grade up to college, you know, and I talk
(28:16):
about being authentic, and I talk about going through, you know,
the emotional whirlwind of like growing up and not feeling
good enough and struggling with authenticity and trying to fit in.
That's when I felt that I was most in my purpose.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It's wild to me that those would be canceled because
of that, Yeah, because it seems to me like the
idea behind mental health and we talk a lot about
that here. Very vulnerable about that is about being honest
and about making mistakes and about being human.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
So well, what happened was I was starting to speak,
like two years ago. I was starting to like pick
up on engagements, like speak to schools around the country.
Things were heating up, and I had somebody sending out
emails on my behalf. But then I got hit with
the scandal and it was guilty, t'll proven innocent.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
So it was like, but it was just it was
the scandal was and you can correct me if I'm wrong,
it was not really a scandal. It was that a
woman came out and said that you had were the
father of her twins. Right, yeah, but you were not true?
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Right but I but I had to prove that.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah but what but that just makes you a human
And this isn't me defending I'm not.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
No, what happened was.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
What happened was is I schools stopped responding back to
all the emails, fell flat, and then a couple of
them responded. They were like, hey, we googled him, and
like we can't bring him in because if parents they're
going to google him too and be like, why are
we bringing in some guy that's in the middle of
the scandal, right, now.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I mean, I understand that school, like I do. I
just also it's not fair. It's not fair, and it's
also just you're being human.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Yeah again, like I but if you looked at the
chatter online, I mean, people people had had a heyday
with me. They were like, this is the guy that
we saw in the Batchelor's He's terrible to women, Like
he's not supporting this woman as she has his children.
Like I had to get into a paternity test to
prove to people and then post it on my my
my reel, like I was an amar on Mari the
TV show being like.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I'm not the father. I mean, like I had to
do that. I didn't even want to post that.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
I was like, this is embarrassing, but yeah, I had
to post it because everyone believed that I was lying,
and so I was like, great, because of my reality
TV experience, people don't believe me.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
They think I'm this person.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
So I have to now go out of my way
to prove to the court of public opinion that I'm
actually different than what people who see me as. And
when I prove that I was, you know, I was like,
I'm not the father again, nobody, No apologies. By you know,
by people online. It was like majority of them were like,
well we believe them all along. It's like, no, you
didn't go go read on all the forums. You guys
were tearing me to shreds, Like you all just can't
(30:34):
admit fault yourself. Look, there's a lot of hurt people
out in the world, and like especially a lot of
hurt people watch reality television. I think they watch it
because they want to see, you know, attractive people screw up.
So it's like they and they can you know, blame
like see they suck. And it's like just there's a
lot of negative people. Like reality television brings a lot
of really negative audience. It's some of the most hateful
people that I've found are reality TV viewers.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
So it's it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
You just realize, you're like, these people are upset, they're
angry at the world, and they want to take it
out on the person on their TV screen that they
literally don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I think it's beautiful though, that you like, where you
feel the most authentic and happy is is in the
mental health space and talking to kids because I think
and I would love for you to you know, can
obviously continue that because that is that seems so authentic
to you know, to you and your purpose and why
(31:28):
you have this platform, you know, and I if I was,
you know, a kid, and even because honestly, if I'm
listening to you right now, I'm like, I would have
never thought that you would struggle with mental health. Like
you're a good looking dude and you've got you know,
you sounds like you've a great family. Like I would
never think that anything was wrong. You know that you
that you struggle with that, but that's just you know,
(31:49):
never judge by the cover.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Well that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I mean, like I've posted my social media, but people
don't realize like I was not the superstar athlete growing
up I was. I didn't play varsities in my senior year.
My brother started varsity two years younger than me before
I even did. I had no scholarship offers. I was bullied.
I was extremely tiny. I was like in seventh grade,
I was five six, one hundred and five pounds. Like,
I mean, I was a small kid. I was bullied.
(32:12):
So when people like when I show up, I can
see it in these kids' face, and you know it's
like I show up and I have my little power point,
you know, and I post I show a photo of
me in seventh grade, and these kids their minds are blown.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
They're like, that's not you. There's no way.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
It's this little, you know, short little kid with bleach
blonde hair, you know, and he and he's and it's
like you can tell it. And stills hope in these
kids because they see this big old football guy, six five,
big dude, and they're like, well, if he can change
his life that much, so can I.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
And it gives them hope.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
I feel like my story, I'm like, I look, I
resonate with these children, and that's why I'm like, you know,
I'm like, I want to get back into it. Unfortunately, though,
there's roadblocks I face, you know, Schools are like, oh, well,
you're not an expert, you shouldn't be talking about mental health.
I'm like, that's ridiculous. Like bringing up expert in with me, then, like,
let me talk alongside them. I'm just sharing my experience.
(33:05):
But you know, it's it's it's definitely where I'm most passionate.
And and I think again, people look at me and
they say, this is the guy that's always had it,
This is the guy that's you know, that's always been
the stud athlete that's gotten all the women. I was
friend zone growing up. I was called big Brother. That
was my nickname by all the girls. I don't have game.
You could probably see it on the TV screen, Like
I'm not. I'm not smister smooth talker. And I know
(33:25):
that I'm just kind of a goof. And but like
people look at me like, oh, he's had all these things.
I'm like, no, I worked for them all, like, and
I have physical proof. I can show you old photos
of me. I can show you text messages. People girls
call me big brother, like you all want to believe
that I was given everything.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I wasn't. I worked for everything in my life.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
That's why I'm also so adamant about like standing my
ground now and sticking it back to those people where
they're like, I'm like, no, I'm not gonna take credit
for this. I'm gonna I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna
be fully authentic and this is gonna be really like
you're gonna this, You're gonna hate this. You want me
to roll over, I'm gonna throw it in your face
now and be like this is not my problem.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
It's your problem. And this is the reason, this is
the reason why you.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Don't even need to say that now you know.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
It.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
You just live life. Yeah, you just live life. And
that's what I'm doing. I'm like, you all want to
see me lose.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
I'm winning. I'm winning big time. Like, if you wanted
to see me fail, you your best chance was three
years ago. You guys almost got me to quit. You
guys almost got me to throw in the white flag
and and log off forever, you know, and basically move
off with my life and just be away from reality television.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
They almost did.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
I'm like, if you missed your opportunity, you guys just
created a monster, and a good one in my eyes.
And I'm like, you'll never watch me fail. I continue
to win even in light of this whole like reality
TV stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Right now, I'm amped. Right now, I'm feel the edge.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Your friends again, It's like, look like.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
People, that's what this has been a great experience right
now because online right now go on my dms or
my comments or seeing everyone rip me to shreds.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I've literally not won more in my life than I'm
winning right now. In work. I am making I'm killing it.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Right now with my work, and I'm just like I'm
looking at it and I'm like, I wait up. I'm like,
I have all this bullshit online, but I'm winning in
life more than I ever have. I'm like, I'm like,
I don't care. You want to make me the villain,
Make me the villain? Next show that cast me, cast
me as the villain, Like I will lean into it.
I don't care because the people that know me will
will know that I'm not that, and they'll be like, all,
Clayton's going back on TV to, you know, just to
chase some chaos and play a role, and like that's it.
(35:19):
So I'm like, look, y'all can think like you want
to see me lose. I'm going to let y'all know
how much I'm winning now.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I'm a really well yeah, there you go, Clayton play
and there we go, and let's just not let's just
not any more dates with Rachel. You want a hand
in on three with that closure on that? Okay, just
a couple of things. We would love you know from you,
no more, Rachel. We love you living in your purpose,
We want you talking to children. We love you being honest.
(35:45):
Don't let the noise, get you and I'm excited for you.
Team Clayton. Here we go. You've just yeah, I'm rooting
for you, truly.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
You guys, thank you.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
If you ever need some big sisters, we're here for you.
You can slide in and friendly you know, three years ago,
way back in the day for me. But you're mega
villain now and we love you now. So that's exciting.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Okay, I'll take it. Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
You can't be mean to them like I don't know.
I have a high allergy against your gender, so it's
still easy for me. But I want a high allergy
against tight ends. You know, you change my mind a
different Clayton. You are your joy, So keep doing your
thing and I'll be praying that the speaking and stuff
(36:30):
comes around for me. Truly are proud of you, Clayton,
but we do need you to stay away from Rachel.
Love me so much.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Guys are all right bye? So yeah, oh I love them, Clayton.
It's it is hard when you get to see the people.
I'm actually glad that stuff before we talked wasn't in.
I could let viewers in, our listeners in them. I mean,
you have a perception of what somebody is. Yeah, and
(36:57):
then you talk to them and you're like, darn it, yeah,
we'll see it just as people have perceptions of me.
And then when you get to yeah, even my husband,
you know, he's been in this business twenty five years, right, Yeah,
and we go through this a lot, because twenty five
years ago it was party town. He's like, I'm not
a partier. Yeah, like I'm a dad now and a husband. Well,
something even happened on set very similar to this, but
(37:19):
one of the past. The very last day of shooting.
She was like, I'm going to be honest. She's like,
not that I've ever heard anything bad. She goes, but
I followed you for years, but not in the positive way.
Oh wow. Yeah, And I'm just so really honest of her.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
And she goes and she's like I even read lit
the things and the forums and stuff. She goes, you
are anything, but she's like you are. She just had this.
I like started crying and gave her a hug. And
she's in a position where I she's you know, the
pa where it could be most times. You see. She's like,
I've had so many actors and actress that I love
(37:57):
that I don't like anymore because they write rude and
they're not nice and they're like and she's like, I mean,
I was like, thank you, Well, that's true. Though I've
told you you're not very artisty. Yeah, I mean I've
always said that about you. But that's how we became friends.
It was nice because again she sees, she thinks and
sees and sees all the things, and then when you
actually meet the person sometimes their opinions can be changed.
(38:20):
Reality TV is so tricky too. Anyways, I enjoyed him
and I root for him and too now that I
know he likes Latina's like Rachel is not. She's like
the farst so beautiful, but like not she's blonde, and
he just needs someone that will that can keep him
in line a little. And I don't mean that in
a way that's like derogatory. I don't want that to
get twisted. I just I felt that even for myself.
(38:41):
When I met Preston, I was like, oh, there's some
things that I've always done that I will no longer
get away with. Yeah, and that is refreshing and it
feels teammate like, and it makes you be a better
person and a better partner. Amen to that. Stay tuned
for our next guest. I don't know who
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and iHeartRadio Podcast. All Right,
so today's guest, we are bringing on Clayton. He was
on the Bachelorette, he was a bachelor, and now he's
on the Perfect Match. He is quite the villain, but
is he really? Who is Clayton?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Is?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
The question? Is Clayton ready for true love? Bom boom boom,
Here he comes.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Hey, guys, how's it going?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Hi? Oh are you good?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I'm doing great?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Good?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Look at that little grin. Clayton's like, what am I
up against? Two women on a couch? This ought to
be comfortable.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
This is gonna be one on one thing.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I didn't realize I was going to be the the
outnumbered one.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Don't act like you're not used to dating two girls
at once, Clayton.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
But I bring another twenty eight of you guys, the
real quick, very.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Good Clayton, Clayton, I'm Jana. This is Krista. Hi Clayton. Yeah, So,
I mean, listen, I don't want you to feel ganged
up on, but we are two scorned women.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Essentially, I'm gonna get ganged upfore.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Okay, we're about twenty years older than your normal age group,
so we have perspective on a lot of things. I
think that, yeah, it's probably refreshing, but.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
No, fair enough. Yeah, I'm all for accountability.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Okay, good, I think do we see?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I see fifty two minutes on a timer? So you
guys were already rolling. So did you already do some
pre talk before I came it came in here?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
No, we did some pre clarification. We did see this.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I have to listen to it now. You guys are
like the first off, just so you all know the listeners,
this guy sucks. He's about to come in the room.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
No.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It did take a minute with your org chart though,
because it gets a little confusing with all the women.
And then we went back and revisited a couple so
I just needed a second to get on it. Gosh,
I guess like my first thing is because if I'm honest, right,
I hear, I hear obviously all the things and you
see the headline, and I'm the first person that you
(02:02):
know this is headlines are headlines. They're meant to be
not super kind and you know, but I guess for you,
what do you think people's perception of you is? And
then what is like who is claim because I would
love to get to know you as opposed to what
I have been told about you. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah? So I mean, yes, it makes complete sense. So
who am I? Which? I love that question.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
I in fact, I like to bring it up myself.
It depends on who you ask. So I know that
my perception on social media and then my perception on
reality television, and then my real life persona are all different.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
In a way, I.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Would say that my social media perception and my real
life version me are very close, but the reality television
version I feel is different from my real life self.
And the reason I say that is because what I
believe people think I am is a villain based off
of my reality TV experience. I had a hard time
on an understanding that they're accepting it for a while,
(03:15):
and I blamed production.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I've still nowadays, I mean, as of.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Recently, I've started to be like, hey, look like it's
a shared effort. I do believe that the edit has
something to do with it. That being said, I've just
come to terms with there's really no nuance that's ever
shown on reality television, Like they just don't have time
they have to Basically, it's good or bad.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
So it's either happy or sad.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
We need to get the audience to see someone as
good and the other as bad. And every situation that
I've been on TV, I've been the bad guy. Well
that makes sense because you really couldn't make the other
party bad, like you can't really make them the bad
people because I was the one doing the breaking up.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
So it makes sense.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
But there's a lot of deeper discussions that are being
cut from the edit that I feel if you sat
and listened to it and you'd be like, all right,
I understand, like there's reasoning behind all of this. We're
getting this like quick cut high emotion, you know, and
he looks like he doesn't care, when it's like I
do deeply care. I have trouble sometimes expressing my emotions,
(04:23):
which I'm working through. I grew up in a household
of boys, no sisters, a very old school dad. Like
I'm this is all new to me. Emotional intelligence wasn't
really a thing that I was taught. We were just
taught to go play sports. We didn't talk about our
emotions ever. So I've been working really hard in the
last few years to show, like to just to improve,
(04:44):
to make it easier on my own self. But I
realized that, like, I just went on a TV show
where I broke up with somebody from my past all
over again, and it's like, oh, this guy hasn't changed.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
That's the only thing that I'm like, No, it's not true.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
But I understand why you think that, because you're seeing
a little sliver of my life.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
And yeah, I think they could have been more favorable
on the edit. They just weren't. But that's rare.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
So then what is the truth of that, because you
did technically go back on a show to essentially rebreak
up with someone, right, So what is the truth that
we then didn't see?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Well, I would say this, I don't think it's fair
for people to be heavily scrutinizing me based on what
I did, because what I feel like I did was
I went back to an X that I happened to
bump into after a few years. I would equate this
to like real life scenario, You're out at a bar
in a different state, you bump into an X. You're like,
oh my gosh, what are you doing here? It's been
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a few years. You're like, you sit down, you chat
with them, you have some drinks, emotions are running high.
You're like you're remembering all the good times, You're talking
about all the fun moments, and you're happy to see
this individual and everything feels great. Then you decide to
go your separate ways and you wake up the next
morning and the emotions have subsided.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Now the excitement's gone.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
No rationale kicks in and you're like, no, that can't work, Like, yeah,
I was really great to see my ex, but that
there's a reason why I didn't work in the first place.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I feel that's exactly what happened. So I don't I
get blown.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
I get frustrated because I see like these pitchforks and
people saying I'm a monster and I don't deserve love,
and I'm getting death threats and all this stuff, and
it's like, guys, I went back to an ex, like
who hasn't done that? And I understand that. Then people say, well,
you should be more cautious about how you handled her,
and it's like I felt like I did say, hey,
(06:33):
look like you got to do it's best for you
and I can't promise anything, and I felt like that
was me saying like, look, we're here. I believe this
is all happening for a reason, and I truly believe that.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
That's the way that I operate.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I'm like, everything that happens to me is not a mistake,
Like every single thing I do. That's that's a belief
system that I employ. So, you know, people mocking me
and saying, oh, he's just saying these things and like, no,
I believe them. But if you're not going to believe
my words, then you won't believe me. And I think again,
people are just looking for a villain in my opinion,
project their own emotions onto I'm like, I didn't kill anybody.
(07:07):
I didn't do anything super serious. I gave it a
shot with an X. We talked. A few years had passed.
I thought, hey, we're different people. Maybe we can match now,
maybe this makes sense, like maybe it was the right person,
wrong timing three years ago.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I do get that piece where I mean, I could
think of my password, you know, I can also really
relate to the villain piece and the editing, like, of
course you are the villain in that, because you are
the villain in this, and I do know somebody else
that is coming out on another reality show that was
a villain and I talked to someone that was on
the show. I was like, Oh, what happened to that guy?
(07:41):
I'm curious because I was thinking maybe he was going
to have this authentic return, but he left because the
producers kept badgering him on this one thing and they
made him exactly who they wanted him to be from
the last thing. So it's you know, I get that
you were placed in that, and it's unfortunate that the happening.
You know, So there's a piece that I'm like, oh,
(08:02):
I feel for you, Like that sucks.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Yeah, I was probably naive to like think that, you know,
I was gonna be I thought again, I'm like, I
know how much work I've done, you know, I still,
to this day, I have had to forgive myself because
I took a lot of accountability on my shoulders off
the Bachelor. I took like all the heat and I
was like, oh, maybe I am a monster. Like that's
how bad it got. I started to think, like, believe
what people said about me.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I've now doubled back.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I have self love and self confidence and I'm like
I did not do anything that serious. Like was it bad? Yeah,
But like the whole show's purpose was for me to
date multiple women. I did, and I fell in love
with multiple women. After I fought it for so long,
I was like, I'm not off camera. I was like,
I'm not going to fall in love multiple women. That'd
be a train wreck. I can't do that. But then
you're given permission to do it by the women and
(08:45):
the producers, and you're like, Okay, I'll open my eyes
up to it, but like, hey, there's a chance I
can fall in love the multiple people. You get told
to basically to explore the relationships fully by all final
three women all said that verbatim, and you're like, well,
about to go into fancy suitets, what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
You know?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
So all these all this permission and then you do it,
and it's like you're you're basically thrown out to the
wolves and said you're you're, you're, you're terrible.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
And it's like.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I checked in and gate and asked for permission and
thought everything was fine, and then ultimately like was villainized,
and I just I'm not at a place now where
I'm like, you can hold your beliefs, you can think
whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I'll explain nuance if you want to talk about it.
And if you still don't like me at the end
of it, at least you've heard me out.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
But how much of that do you actually believe? Because
I've said that same thing for many years, but it
took me many years to actually not let the comments
affect me. And even to this day, there's still a percentage.
It's a low percentage, but it's still hurts.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah, yea, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I would say, like, I was a major people pleaser
growing up and I'll live until probably about I don't know,
a year ago maybe, and so every comment affected me.
I remember when I was the Bachelor, and it's like
I wouldn't even look at positive comments.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I was like, yeah, whatever, it's positive.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
But then I'd see a negative one and I would
just click in on it and stare at it for
like minutes, and I was like, how can I change
so that this person doesn't think, like think about me
like this anymore? And I said, I've said it multiple times,
like one negative comment held the way to fifty positive comments,
like I needed fifty positive in order for it to
like basically like knock out one negative comment. Well, I
got an influx in negative comments, so I felt like
(10:22):
the whole world was turning against me. But I'm at
a place now where I would say there's only there's
only two comments that nowadays that really upset me.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
One of them I just posted about in my story.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
A woman basically told me that I should I should
have taken my life on one of my.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Mental health posts. So I called her out.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
On her on my story and I usually used to
block out their names. Now I'm like, no, if you're
going to come in and say this to me, be reckless,
like I'm going to air you out.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
So I did, and she deleted her Instagram.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
So whatever she learned her lesson, I suppose, like definitely,
I'm like, good, don't ever say that to someone ever again.
The other thing that like only affects me is when
men try to play be tough in my DMS. That's
just an of an ego thing. So when I get
tough guys, they're like, if I saw you in person,
i'd slap you. I'm like, you wouldn't do shit, dude,
like slap you.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
It was like, I don't know how tough it is.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Actually, Oh, they don't say slap, but I'm like, I
start typing stuff out.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I'm like I would I would pinch you if I
saw you in.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
They're like, oh if I see you in person, like
it's on site, like you're you're not gonna you know,
breathe another breath. And I'm like, dude, shut up, Like,
first off, I'm not afraid of you whatsoever. Like I'm
not trying to be a tough guy. But my ego
gets in the way. It's like, I I know my
stature and I've I've been I plays high level ball.
I'm not afraid of any any man. And I'm just like,
look my ego. That's only two things that gets me.
And I don't ever comment back because I'm like Clayton,
(11:34):
that's immature. You don't need to try to like out
tough in this guy. He's not gonna ever see you
in person. You won't do anything. Who cares anyways, it's
fighting as stupid. But those are the only two things
that get me. Nowadays, people call me ugly, saying I'm
not deserving a love I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Okay, well we know that's that that's not true. Yeah
that you know that's not true. They would have never
put you as the bachelor.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
But all the time, and that's that's.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Because I mean, we get it too, like it's but
that's that's their own in security.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, production.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, and they want to hurt you.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Okay. I think it's really important for people to remember
that reality TV is not reality. I think that we
need to like just have a moment with that because
they're creating scenarios and they're creating plot lines. And I
was part of a program that We're Tired long before
you were born. It was a reality series and they
tried to villainize me kind of, and I was like,
that's gross, and I was just thankful I didn't sign
(12:38):
up for a second show. Clayton, you went back at it, buddy.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, I like this stuff. I think it's I can.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Tell you like it. Yeah, I can tell you like it.
My question for you is are you ready to be
in love and to settle down? Do you seem young
to me? How old are you? Yeah? I mean that's
still young? Yeah, but you do you feel right? Did
you want to be famous or did you want to
fall in love? Or did you want both?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Well, it depends at what point in my life you
asked me, so I Reacheler. Okay, Well, first off, all,
let's go bacherette. Bacherrette, Ok, yeah, uh no, no, no bacherette.
I was literally doing it because I thought, hey, this,
I'm going to maybe just go on the show and
some girl will watch this somewhere in the country because
I was living in Columbia, Missouri, and it was a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
It was a college town, and I was getting old there.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I was like twenty eight, and I was like, oh
my gosh, no one, you know, there's no twenty eight
yearls that live here. Like everybody leaves college town after
they're done. But I was working in medical sales, and
so I thought, hey, if I go on the show,
some girls somewhere in the country is going to see
me and they're going to potentially want to, you know,
potentially pursue me. And so maybe I can like bring
her to Columbia, Missouri because I have this great you know,
this good job. So I thought, just like, hey, throw
(13:45):
myself out there for the world to see and maybe,
like I can you know, find someone, you know, through
social media. That's what I was doing on the Bacheorette.
Bachelor became an opportunity because it was like why would
I not. They're just like, hey, you want to be
the Bachelor. I hadn't even left the bacherette and they
asked me, and I was like, yeah, why not. That's
like a life changing moment, you know, like to be
the Bachelor. Uh. And and then this time around it
(14:07):
was it was opportunity focused. It was like, hey, I
know how what opportunities can come from reality television, brand deals, trips,
Like your life becomes easier in a way, and you
can make easy money. And so I was like, yeah, sure,
I'll do this for opportunity. And then I told the
show I said, I'll keep an open mind, but just
(14:28):
so you know, I have I do have a type.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And like and they bring back your we know.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And they bring back my ex.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
But I said, look, I go, I'm picky, but I'm
willing to like, I am willing to settle down if
the right person comes around.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
That being said, I don't feel any pressure to do.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
So I'm like, what is your type?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
A little bit fiery right now.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
It's it's the last six girls I've talked to Latina,
So I'm really on like talking to.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Like, there's someone that can put you in line. I
think that might be good for you.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
So here's the thing, Like The reason why I reality
television is because I used to live a pretty mundane
life when I was in medical sales prior to reality television.
And once I open up Pandora's box, I was like,
I kind of like a bit of chaos in my life.
I have my day to day. I do real estate,
I do solar panel sales. Makes me good money, and
that stuff's just normal and I know how to do it.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I'm good at it.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
But then I'm like, I get bored now because after
you go on reality television, you're chaping, You're chasing dopamine hits.
You're like, I need I need to feel the high
somewhere else. I played high level football, you know, briefly
in the NFL. It's like I'm chasing a dopamine hit.
Reality television does a really good job of giving me that.
So it's like whenever I get bored with life, whenever
they reached out perfect match it, I was like, yeah, easily,
I'll do this, Like.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
We just want you to come on and dance.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
I was like perfect, And so I was like, I
get to be my goofy self, put out this new
version of me, and it's it excites me. I found
myself before I went on Perfect Match, doing the same
thing with the women I was talking to, though, I
was looking for some girl that I'm like, this is
not a girl that I would marry, but she's the
kind of girl that's going to keep me on my
toes and she's fiery and when I go out, like
I ever know, she's just got a lot of different
(16:02):
you know, a lot of energy to her. So I
think it's probably not what I need long term, but
I do like a woman that's independent, knows what who
she is, and it's like I don't need you, Like
I really don't need you, but we can like I
want you and we can grow together. I kind of
feel like I need that type of individual.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
If I was big sistering him right now, I would
be like, you need another seven to eight years to
do these things and have fun, because I think that
like when you said the like this is just what
I'm hearing. But when you said the getting bored, I'm like,
I to me, do not hear someone that then wants
(16:39):
a serious relationship in this moment, because then it's going
to be boring too once the relationship come. It's like
you it's like you got to get some more fun
out of you, and then you will probably be the
best catch ever.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
You know, maybe I think that the right thing.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
You're not selling me. It's not bad like go go
thirty two.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Oh my gosh, like live there's no rush.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
I mean, mom my mom doesn't want to hear that.
She doesn't hear my parents plats. They said I'll be
single tome forty.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I think that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, but that's okay, And that's
okay because then you then you will be the right person,
like you know, my ex that came off of football
all the things, like he was terrible to me, he
wasn't ready, you know, and who knows when he will be.
But I'm just saying, like I think my husband is
forty when we met. Yeah, there's such thing that I
think switches at that forty with that soul that you
(17:32):
either the energy and the fire that you have in you,
you know, And that's okay, there's something wrong with that.
I just don't want you to continue on the war
path of hurting girls that are sweet girls.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
No, I don't want to do that either, like.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Exactly, especially if you can't adequately express fully right to
them at the moment.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, well, well what do you mean by not adequately.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Like hot seat because you said you have a tough time,
like you're working on it, but if you can't express
fully and that takes time, right.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, I mean I think mainly when I say it's
like I'm not, I don't show it in my face.
So like there were times on Perfect Match where I'm
like watching and people it's a silly example, but I
was match with Juliette. Everyone people like every time Juliette
comes up and talks, he seems so mad. I just
have resting bitch face. That's like I just but I'm like,
I looked at him like laughing. I'm like, it does
look like I am actually annoyed by her coming out
(18:25):
to me, But I'm not. That's just my default face.
Like I don't I'm not really good with my expression.
If I'm sad, you're not gonna see it on my face.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
You're gonna my face whether it's sad, angry, happy, I'll
smile a lot.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
I mean, that's the one thing. It's like, if I'm happy,
you'll see me beaming. You know, my cheesing smile. But
other than that, it's like, I don't have this range
of emotions that you'll ever be able to see on
my face. That's where I think it can sometimes look
like it happened on the Bats or when I did
the Rows Ceremony from Hell and broke up with the women.
It's like people are like, he's heartless. He's just staring
at these women, and it's like I was concerned and
I was white listening to them attentively, but my face
(18:59):
showed like I was bored, and I was like, oh
my gosh, Like and I saw that. I'm like, yeah,
I can see what people are saying, but.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Also you're a human, Like we go through that here too.
People will be like, oh, I could tell that she
was salty or she and I'm like, actually, I was
just listening. I was just listening. And I love that
you're not. You're at a place too where the comments
aren't affecting as much, because I mean, seriously, for like
five years, I was like, Okay, they say I'm this,
and I'm gonna try that. It's exhausting to try to
prove yourself to people that don't know what's in the
(19:28):
four walls and who you truly are, and you know,
and I even hate that I had a preconceived notion
about you because I think you're great. I think you're
just I think you're great. I don't think you're ready. Also, Clayton,
I have a question. I mean, you're precious, but I
still am like, Okay, I.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Would love to prove you guys wrong.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
We'll see I do that shows anything.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
But something that you guys said, you're like, hey, you know,
I think that when you settle down, someone will be boring.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I actually disagree.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I think the most fun times that I had I
could think back to one.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
X Okay it was.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
It was the stupidest, stupidest stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
Like I remember like the little jokes that she would make,
and I was like, this makes it so much fun.
If I was sitting in my house right now, I'd
be boring as hell. But I think like when you
have a really strong connection with somebody, it gets more fun.
I don't need to jump out of a plane. I
don't need to like that kind of adrenaline. In fact,
I don't want to do that that kind of stuff,
or like cliff jumping. I mean like I'm like, I
don't need that kind of adrenaline rush. I get an
adrenaline rush being with somebody and building a connection. So
(20:22):
I think, like I just wanted to highlight that. It's
like I think, when I'm with the right person, I
get more. There's no boredom.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
What's that makes sense? I get a say he tracked
me in my thirties and my dating and putting a
camera on it, I'd be mortified, and you would. Your
life would look like cake. I was a train wreck
in my thirties.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I think most of us are. I mean, that's where again,
I'm like, I'm just trying to show people I'm human.
I don't want you to put me on a pedestal,
but I'm tired of people kicking me into a corner.
I'm like, I'm no longer letting y all kick me
into a corner. I'm just not But don't put me
on the pedestal either.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Like, I know what I am. I know my weaknesses,
I know my vices.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I'm like, I know, but I'm like, but you all
keep making out to be a monster in reality television.
I'm not like, I'm I'm nowhere near a monster. I'm
a good person. I'm not great per se like you
can find someone who's a bigger saint. Freddie on Perfect
Match is a perfect example that man's a saint.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I love Freddy, yes, as advertised, advertising as advertised.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
So I'm not on Freddy's playing field. I'm not trying.
I mean, I guess nobody.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
You can't all be Freddy's, do you know? Like that's
what I that's this part of this reality casting. If
it was a bunch of Freddie's, no one would watch
fair enough.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
And I think Freddie even knows that. It's like, yeah,
I mean you want some dramatic individuals like Louis was
a little ringleader, and Louie's personality is so fun.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I actually look up to him.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
He's twenty four years old, but like he's he's authentic
and that's hard to find these days. And so they
pulled the right people all in the room that it's
like here's the stir, here's the sweetheart, you know, here's
the chaos enabler, like they and it all.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Comes together and the show is doing okay.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I think for that reason, right, because there's enough drama
to carry it.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Had we all been perfect, no one watched the show
so and I would.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Never date a Freddy Just so we're clear. So that's
my toxic trait, Like I think he's lovely. You wouldn't either,
I would either. No, we'd run him over.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah why why? Why would him over?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Because he's he's too sweet, but he's not enough man
to me, Like I need someone when and I said
to you, I think you need someone that's a little
firm on you and a little bit a very Scottish husband.
I need his firmness for my wildness. And I have
a red neck husband and he and I needed his
firmness to come in and go. Actually, girls and guys
(22:34):
don't need to be fat and yeah exactly for him
to be like, no, that's not how it flies. Oh
I okay, Like yeah, yeah, we need that for you,
that's all. And I think you could be ready in
a fiery Latino watch I'm saying, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Yeah, that's that's why the last six girls I've talked
to involving La Tina, because I'm like, I'm gravitating towards
that energy because they're just like, who the hell do
you think you are a white boy, Like you're gonna
talk to me like that? Like you have no idea
and I love that. I'm like, I'm like, yell at
me in Spanish.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
I love a good I love a good slide in
a DM too. If there's one like celebrity person, who
whose DM would you slide into? H or have you
slid into? I know I can tell my face he's
working on his resting bench face.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I I actually I don't slide a lot of dms.
Like I'm like, I just don't. I have goals right
now like I do have like six month goals. I'm
going to buy a house and I'm going to buy it,
remodel it and all that. So I'm like, look, all
I'm focused on right now is making money. My dms
are open. If somebody wants to slide. Some Latina hears
this and it's like, oh, I'm going to go for it.
Go for it, be my guest. It's not that I'm
(23:38):
not responding, but I'm just I'm not right now. I'm
just like, hey, I got six month goals to get
buy the house, remodel it, buy the nice car, so
I can kind of live the Scottsdale life, you know,
and enjoy that part of my life. And then on
the other side of that, you know, ideally, but I'm like, look,
if somebody walks in my life tomorrow, I'm not gonna
be like, oh sorry, I got six month goals.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
You're not a partner.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Sure, Let's usually when someone does walk around, you have
the plans, right.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
So have you have you said you're sories to anyone
that might have needed a sorry from the shows?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, all of them.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Have they been received? Well?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I just like we can say just names, we can
say names Rachel, like, I mean, because that was the
most recent one, Like, ultimately, yeah, we're good. We I
talked her on the phone a couple of days ago.
She wasn't she wasn't too happy about something that I
you know, just we're checking in with each other and
like the podcast and the things we're saying, and it's
like but ultimately, again the show didn't show it, but
(24:38):
her and I both apologize to each other.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
She apologized to me the next day.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
They didn't show that I apologize to her, you know,
so it was good. It was kosher. It was like,
and I thought they'd show that. I'm like, hey, I
think everybody would love to like see what it would
be like to have two exes be amicable and apologize,
because like, I think everybody kind of wants that in
their own life.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Nobody wants to like hate their X, so I thought
they might show that.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
It's like, hey, like too sure, people saying, here's why
I was upset.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Last night, this is why we did what we did.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
You know, they didn't show it, and I was like, Okay,
I guess that wasn't really that important to you all,
but it seemed important to me. But yeah, I've apologized
to everybody that I've hurt, you know. I think the
only issue right now is people expect me to take
full accountability.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
And I'm like, it takes two to tango.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I don't need to, Like, I don't know much how
much more you want me to say, Like I'm one
hundred percent at fault for this, and I don't believe
it there's another party involved, like it's equally their fault,
you know, like this this could have never This would
have never happened had that person you know, not allowed
it to. So I'm like, I don't believe that I
should take one hundred percent accountability. That's a fifty to
fifty like it could have in my opinion. So that's
just where I stand on it. But I have people
(25:40):
like he's not taking accountability. I'm like, no, I'm not
taking one hundred percent accountability. Because Rachel made the decision
to match with me, that's on her. That's also on her.
So I'm like, that's at least fifty to fifty. You know,
she could have said no, and I said, you do,
it's best for you. So I'm like, I don't like, again,
why are we throwing all the blame on me? It's
just simple to do. But she also is a part
of that conversation.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Do you do another show if they offer it? Have
they offered another show? I shouldn't start it there. Okay,
would you do another show if they offer it? Are
you he'll get a free trip to one of those
Hawaii places or you know, the Virgin Version cruises.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I'm open.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
I would rather not do another dating show. I would
rather do like a game show, something.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Like something special Forces.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, that seems kind of tough. I don't know. I've
already subjected myself to all two minutes ago.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
You were a tough guy, say consistent.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I can do it. No, I can do it. I
don't have anything to prove though.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
I'm like, I've already like proved my toughness to myself
when playing playing football, Like I don't need to try
to prove everybody that I have this masculine energy, Like
I don't like that just seems like a tough show.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I would do it.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
That's the clip they're going to use when you do
do Special Forces. By the way, the last twenty seconds
that you just said is going to be what they
do in boot camp.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean I could.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
I think I believe I can survive it, but I would.
I want to do something like Traders that that sounds
more fun to me, like to be able to like
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
But what I do a dating show? Sure if the
money's right always yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I mean, listen, I get it, you know what I mean,
Like we shoot the things I've said yes too for money? Yeah,
you know, like, well, let's clarify that that sounds were
certain ads like you know that I wish I didn't do,
you know, and then ask stuff movies. I'm like, yeah,
it pays the bells, you know, I get it.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Yeah, I mean, look, at the end of the day,
like I'm trying to set myself up in my future.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Absolutely, what's your dream Clayton? Like, what if you in
this moment, the thirty two year old Clayton, the scorned
reality TV non villain rectified? What is your dream job?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Like?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
What is something you've always wanted to do?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Speak on mental health?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
I was doing that until I got hit with the
paternity scandal. Not that woman, in my eyes, took it
away from me, which but it was also my doing.
Like I engaged with her intimately, you know, got me
in a whole lot of trouble and like it unfortunately
knocked out all my speaking engagements. When I talked to
like kids' seventh grade up about sixth grade, probably like
sixth grade up to college, you know, and I talk
(28:16):
about being authentic, and I talk about going through, you know,
the emotional whirlwind of like growing up and not feeling
good enough and struggling with authenticity and trying to fit in.
That's when I felt that I was most in my purpose.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It's wild to me that those would be canceled because
of that, Yeah, because it seems to me like the
idea behind mental health and we talk a lot about
that here. Very vulnerable about that is about being honest
and about making mistakes and about being human.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
So well, what happened was I was starting to speak,
like two years ago. I was starting to like pick
up on engagements, like speak to schools around the country.
Things were heating up, and I had somebody sending out
emails on my behalf. But then I got hit with
the scandal and it was guilty, t'll proven innocent.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
So it was like, but it was just it was
the scandal was and you can correct me if I'm wrong,
it was not really a scandal. It was that a
woman came out and said that you had were the
father of her twins. Right, yeah, but you were not true?
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Right but I but I had to prove that.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah but what but that just makes you a human
And this isn't me defending I'm not.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
No, what happened was.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
What happened was is I schools stopped responding back to
all the emails, fell flat, and then a couple of
them responded. They were like, hey, we googled him, and
like we can't bring him in because if parents they're
going to google him too and be like, why are
we bringing in some guy that's in the middle of
the scandal, right, now.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I mean, I understand that school, like I do. I
just also it's not fair. It's not fair, and it's
also just you're being human.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Yeah again, like I but if you looked at the
chatter online, I mean, people people had had a heyday
with me. They were like, this is the guy that
we saw in the Batchelor's He's terrible to women, Like
he's not supporting this woman as she has his children.
Like I had to get into a paternity test to
prove to people and then post it on my my
my reel, like I was an amar on Mari the
TV show being like.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I'm not the father. I mean, like I had to
do that. I didn't even want to post that.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
I was like, this is embarrassing, but yeah, I had
to post it because everyone believed that I was lying,
and so I was like, great, because of my reality
TV experience, people don't believe me.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
They think I'm this person.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
So I have to now go out of my way
to prove to the court of public opinion that I'm
actually different than what people who see me as. And
when I prove that I was, you know, I was like,
I'm not the father again, nobody, No apologies. By you know,
by people online. It was like majority of them were like,
well we believe them all along. It's like, no, you
didn't go go read on all the forums. You guys
were tearing me to shreds, Like you all just can't
(30:34):
admit fault yourself. Look, there's a lot of hurt people
out in the world, and like especially a lot of
hurt people watch reality television. I think they watch it
because they want to see, you know, attractive people screw up.
So it's like they and they can you know, blame
like see they suck. And it's like just there's a
lot of negative people. Like reality television brings a lot
of really negative audience. It's some of the most hateful
people that I've found are reality TV viewers.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
So it's it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
You just realize, you're like, these people are upset, they're
angry at the world, and they want to take it
out on the person on their TV screen that they
literally don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I think it's beautiful though, that you like, where you
feel the most authentic and happy is is in the
mental health space and talking to kids because I think
and I would love for you to you know, can
obviously continue that because that is that seems so authentic
to you know, to you and your purpose and why
(31:28):
you have this platform, you know, and I if I was,
you know, a kid, and even because honestly, if I'm
listening to you right now, I'm like, I would have
never thought that you would struggle with mental health. Like
you're a good looking dude and you've got you know,
you sounds like you've a great family. Like I would
never think that anything was wrong. You know that you
that you struggle with that, but that's just you know,
(31:49):
never judge by the cover.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Well that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I mean, like I've posted my social media, but people
don't realize like I was not the superstar athlete growing
up I was. I didn't play varsities in my senior year.
My brother started varsity two years younger than me before
I even did. I had no scholarship offers. I was bullied.
I was extremely tiny. I was like in seventh grade,
I was five six, one hundred and five pounds. Like,
I mean, I was a small kid. I was bullied.
(32:12):
So when people like when I show up, I can
see it in these kids' face, and you know it's
like I show up and I have my little power point,
you know, and I post I show a photo of
me in seventh grade, and these kids their minds are blown.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
They're like, that's not you. There's no way.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
It's this little, you know, short little kid with bleach
blonde hair, you know, and he and he's and it's
like you can tell it. And stills hope in these
kids because they see this big old football guy, six five,
big dude, and they're like, well, if he can change
his life that much, so can I.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
And it gives them hope.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
I feel like my story, I'm like, I look, I
resonate with these children, and that's why I'm like, you know,
I'm like, I want to get back into it. Unfortunately, though,
there's roadblocks I face, you know, Schools are like, oh, well,
you're not an expert, you shouldn't be talking about mental health.
I'm like, that's ridiculous. Like bringing up expert in with me, then, like,
let me talk alongside them. I'm just sharing my experience.
(33:05):
But you know, it's it's it's definitely where I'm most passionate.
And and I think again, people look at me and
they say, this is the guy that's always had it,
This is the guy that's you know, that's always been
the stud athlete that's gotten all the women. I was
friend zone growing up. I was called big Brother. That
was my nickname by all the girls. I don't have game.
You could probably see it on the TV screen, Like
I'm not. I'm not smister smooth talker. And I know
(33:25):
that I'm just kind of a goof. And but like
people look at me like, oh, he's had all these things.
I'm like, no, I worked for them all, like, and
I have physical proof. I can show you old photos
of me. I can show you text messages. People girls
call me big brother, like you all want to believe
that I was given everything.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I wasn't. I worked for everything in my life.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
That's why I'm also so adamant about like standing my
ground now and sticking it back to those people where
they're like, I'm like, no, I'm not gonna take credit
for this. I'm gonna I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna
be fully authentic and this is gonna be really like
you're gonna this, You're gonna hate this. You want me
to roll over, I'm gonna throw it in your face
now and be like this is not my problem.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
It's your problem. And this is the reason, this is
the reason why you.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Don't even need to say that now you know.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
It.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
You just live life. Yeah, you just live life. And
that's what I'm doing. I'm like, you all want to
see me lose.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
I'm winning. I'm winning big time. Like, if you wanted
to see me fail, you your best chance was three
years ago. You guys almost got me to quit. You
guys almost got me to throw in the white flag
and and log off forever, you know, and basically move
off with my life and just be away from reality television.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
They almost did.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
I'm like, if you missed your opportunity, you guys just
created a monster, and a good one in my eyes.
And I'm like, you'll never watch me fail. I continue
to win even in light of this whole like reality
TV stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Right now, I'm amped. Right now, I'm feel the edge.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Your friends again, It's like, look like.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
People, that's what this has been a great experience right
now because online right now go on my dms or
my comments or seeing everyone rip me to shreds.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I've literally not won more in my life than I'm
winning right now. In work. I am making I'm killing it.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Right now with my work, and I'm just like I'm
looking at it and I'm like, I wait up. I'm like,
I have all this bullshit online, but I'm winning in
life more than I ever have. I'm like, I'm like,
I don't care. You want to make me the villain,
Make me the villain? Next show that cast me, cast
me as the villain, Like I will lean into it.
I don't care because the people that know me will
will know that I'm not that, and they'll be like, all,
Clayton's going back on TV to, you know, just to
chase some chaos and play a role, and like that's it.
(35:19):
So I'm like, look, y'all can think like you want
to see me lose. I'm going to let y'all know
how much I'm winning now.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I'm a really well yeah, there you go, Clayton play
and there we go, and let's just not let's just
not any more dates with Rachel. You want a hand
in on three with that closure on that? Okay, just
a couple of things. We would love you know from you,
no more, Rachel. We love you living in your purpose,
We want you talking to children. We love you being honest.
(35:45):
Don't let the noise, get you and I'm excited for you.
Team Clayton. Here we go. You've just yeah, I'm rooting
for you, truly.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
You guys, thank you.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
If you ever need some big sisters, we're here for you.
You can slide in and friendly you know, three years ago,
way back in the day for me. But you're mega
villain now and we love you now. So that's exciting.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Okay, I'll take it. Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
You can't be mean to them like I don't know.
I have a high allergy against your gender, so it's
still easy for me. But I want a high allergy
against tight ends. You know, you change my mind a
different Clayton. You are your joy, So keep doing your
thing and I'll be praying that the speaking and stuff
(36:30):
comes around for me. Truly are proud of you, Clayton,
but we do need you to stay away from Rachel.
Love me so much.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Guys are all right bye? So yeah, oh I love them, Clayton.
It's it is hard when you get to see the people.
I'm actually glad that stuff before we talked wasn't in.
I could let viewers in, our listeners in them. I mean,
you have a perception of what somebody is. Yeah, and
(36:57):
then you talk to them and you're like, darn it, yeah,
we'll see it just as people have perceptions of me.
And then when you get to yeah, even my husband,
you know, he's been in this business twenty five years, right, Yeah,
and we go through this a lot, because twenty five
years ago it was party town. He's like, I'm not
a partier. Yeah, like I'm a dad now and a husband. Well,
something even happened on set very similar to this, but
(37:19):
one of the past. The very last day of shooting.
She was like, I'm going to be honest. She's like,
not that I've ever heard anything bad. She goes, but
I followed you for years, but not in the positive way.
Oh wow. Yeah, And I'm just so really honest of her.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
And she goes and she's like I even read lit
the things and the forums and stuff. She goes, you
are anything, but she's like you are. She just had this.
I like started crying and gave her a hug. And
she's in a position where I she's you know, the
pa where it could be most times. You see. She's like,
I've had so many actors and actress that I love
(37:57):
that I don't like anymore because they write rude and
they're not nice and they're like and she's like, I mean,
I was like, thank you, Well, that's true. Though I've
told you you're not very artisty. Yeah, I mean I've
always said that about you. But that's how we became friends.
It was nice because again she sees, she thinks and
sees and sees all the things, and then when you
actually meet the person sometimes their opinions can be changed.
(38:20):
Reality TV is so tricky too. Anyways, I enjoyed him
and I root for him and too now that I
know he likes Latina's like Rachel is not. She's like
the farst so beautiful, but like not she's blonde, and
he just needs someone that will that can keep him
in line a little. And I don't mean that in
a way that's like derogatory. I don't want that to
get twisted. I just I felt that even for myself.
(38:41):
When I met Preston, I was like, oh, there's some
things that I've always done that I will no longer
get away with. Yeah, and that is refreshing and it
feels teammate like, and it makes you be a better
person and a better partner. Amen to that. Stay tuned
for our next guest. I don't know who
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