September 10, 2025 • 30 mins
Parenting is messy, beautiful, and full of surprises — and no one knows that better than moms in the thick of it. In this special episode, Jana is joined by her mom friends Ashley Iaconetti and Jenna Ushkowitz for a candid conversation about every stage of raising kids — from newborn snuggles to toddler chaos. The trio swap favorite (and not-so-favorite) phases, share parenting wins and struggles, and laugh about diaper blowouts, airplane meltdowns, and everything in between. Through it all, they are reminded that there’s no one “right” way to do this mom thing, only what works best for your family.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Jana Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.
Hey guys, it's Jana Kramer and welcome to a special
mini episode of wind Down, brought to you by Honest. Today,
we're diving into something every parent knows all too well,
the beautiful chaos of raising little humans. Every stage comes
with its own, wild, wonderful challenges, and to talk about
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it all, I'm here with a few of my mom friends,
Ashley Aikenetti and Jenna Ushkowitz. We're going to talk about
what surprised us, what we wish we'd known, and how
we've learned to sort of keep up as our babies
grow and through it all, we'll talk about how the
right support can make a big difference, like Honest new
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parents where they are, no matter what stage they're in.
So let's get into it, Hi, ladies.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
He Hello.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Can we talk about how Jenna like literally has an
aged ever who's you.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Exactly frozen in time at like twenty four? Really not?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And i haven't done botox in over a year and
I'm really starting to see my wrinkles now. I'm struggling,
like I'm having a struggle with it because it's like
I really don't want to do it, but I do
want to do it, and I but I don't but
I do.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yes, it is I just wanted to do it.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Look in the mirror at all, and I'm like, fine,
this is great. It's so much better for me. But
then you're like, oh.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
God, it's when the makeup starts to crease that like
really kills me. And then I've watched a few movies
that I film this year and I'm like, oh, like
that's deep. But it's fine. We're moms, right, you know,
allows to age. This is exactly we're allowed to age.
And I'm trying to because okay, for the listeners, Ashley,
you've got two boys ages again.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
One just turned one and then the other one is three.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
And a half. Wow, okay. And then Jenna, what is it?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Boy girl a girl?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Boy? First, she's three and my son is eight and
a half. Oh nine months?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, you and I yeah right here.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, you guys were in it truly. Yeah, and we're
in it with all the stages too, because I have
a almost ten year old girl, an almost seven year
old boy, and then I have an almost two year
old little boy. Yeah, So I mean just all the
stages here we come, yeah, you know, oh my gosh,
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but let's let's go back because I feel like it's
it's so funny to talk to different moms because everyone
has a favorite stage, and for me, it's always been
the infant stage. I literally just said to my husband
yesterday he was holding one of my friend's little girls,
and we don't have we don't share a biological girl together,
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like he's obviously stepfather to my daughter. But I was like,
you look so cute with a girl, Like don't you
want another baby? And he's like no, He's like you do.
I go yes, ye, Like you wouldn't be so cute.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Girl.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I mean you were right right because you've got two boys.
Are you gonna go again?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
No? I I literally can't relate because I love the
toddler face so much more. My one year old is
just like coming into his own like he was learning
how to high five yesterday.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I was like, this is what I was waiting for.
Both my kids were.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Really hard, like zero to one year olds and then
one to two was I don't know. I mean with
my oldest also pretty challenging, and once he hit two
it was like smooth sailing. He's an angel, Like, I
can just handle it so much better.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I have no desire.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I see these Instagram reels that's like, oh my god,
like getting the baby craving again, and I'm like, I
have no baby craving. If we could skip to two,
I'd be like, all right, now we can consider having
a third.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Wow. My uh my favorite is engine like eight months
nine months, so we're deep in like my.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Favor, You're starting to see the emotions and oh smile,
so yummys.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I just don't my my my husband is used to
be a teacher. He's like, I can't wait till she's
like three. She turned three. They have like their own
thing going. She's you know, she's she's whip smart and independent.
And it makes it really difficult for us sometimes because
I feel like I'm staring at myself, you know, a
tiny version of myself, which is a difficult person. I
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feel like the this infant phase, you can like they
can't talk back to you yet, and it's so yummy,
and there really are like coming into their own.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So I don't want another child. I just want time
to stop.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, I feel that I would love to stop. Three
and a half right now is such a perfect age.
He's just endearing and he's saying just the most incredible things,
like you guys are Yesterday, I said to him when
he was going to bed, will you go to a
Backstreet Boys concert in jonahs Pler concerts with me when
you're a little bit older, And he goes, I want
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to go to a Jonahs concert right now when I'm tiny,
And I'm like, oh, this is my perfect match in life.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Oh my, what.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Was your most memorable I know you said you obviously
love the toddler better stage, but what is your most
memorable as the infant face?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I loved newborn because newborn they're just so cozy and
cuddly and they were easier and I don't know, my
kids became like fuss City at three months.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Wow, just so fussy.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I don't know whether it's they want attention constantly, but
like they needed to be stimulated.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, now I get that. I personally love that you
could just hold them and they because right now Roman
almost being two, he is literally a wild child. Like
he is. He's my middle son, who's a boy. He
didn't have that boy energy. He is very sweet and
cautious and just I mean, Roman is a force. Like
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he is. I can't get him to stop jumping off
of things. I mean like dining room tables, climbing. I'm
just it's like, what we have an actual animal in
the house, and like I it's like I just remember
when he was just a baby and he just laid
there on me and he was so sweet and he
just stayed like yeah, and it was just felt a
little safe for her.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I think that early stage, like they we were contact
nappers from my daughter was a contact napper and like
with your first you don't know, you're just supposed to do.
They're like, don't contact nap, You're going to ruin their sleep.
But like it's what she loved and it worked for us.
And like I would sit in a dark room because
I could and you know, hang out with her for
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two hours and she just sleep on me. And I
love that because my son is a really good sleeper,
but he does not do that. He I'll put him
in the crib and he'll go to sleep, but he
does not like to sleep on me. And so I
missed that like contact time. But this age, that eight
nine month when they're smiling and laughing and they can
respond to you and they're eating and like he just
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figured out how to sit up up from crawling like
on his own, and you can see how proud he
is when he does it. He like stands in like
downward dog position and then like slides his leg through
and sits up and he's like, wow, I just did.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
That, and it's so cute.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, it's so sweet. And Jenna, I'll say this, I
regret not doing the I've never contact napped my first two.
I was very much I'm a sleep trainer, not enough.
And on the third same, I'm like when he was
two weeks old, I'm like, okay, it's you know the
sleep train, sleep train. He won't cut all now, like
I mean all at all. So every time I want
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to like try to rock because now I'm like no, no,
like I want to hold you and rock you. And
he's like bed, Like I don't because he never really
had that because I just always put him straight to
bed when he was awake. And I know there are
it's great because they can sell sooth and they go
to bed, and I'm like, no, he was most likely
my last Like why did I do this and I
missed the snuggles.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I know, because my daughter will still snuggle, but said,
he's like, no, see, did.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
You guys ever freak out about the umbilical cord and diapers.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
A little bit? Yeah? It felt weird. It felt weird.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, well, I gotta shout out to honest,
because they have this even with the smallest details like
the umbilical cord cut out on the newborn and the
size one, So if there's mamas out there and you know,
because you don't want it being ripped off, it shouldn't
come off too soon. So they've actually have an umbilical
cord cut out on the newborn and size one of
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their Clean Conscious diapers. So things like that, I feel
like amazing. I didn't have that on the first I didn't,
I didn't know. But with Roman, I was just like,
this is amazing, and I wish I would have uses
on the first two. So the things I missed and
found out on the third time around.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah, well, the amount of things like even our parents
are like, I didn't have that when.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
You were growing up. We just left the door open.
You know, you guys, imagine what they put on us.
I don't even know what I mean, Like, now we've
got you know, honest diapers, they're hyper allergenic, fragrance free.
I mean, I can't even what did they put on
our bums back in the day.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
So I mean, seriously, imagine what's to come in twenty
years from now, Like we're going to be telling our
kids thirty years from now, we're like, yep, I can
have that back then. It's like, what is it going
to be like a little incubator thing.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, well, at least like robots changing diapers for us. Yeah, honestly,
like we're we're good and with the brands like honest
to keep us knowing that we are putting things on
our babes that are that are good, And that makes
me it's so hard being a mom and there's so
many things being thrown at you and there's so many
things out there that aren't good for kiddos. So to
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know that there is good things just makes makes it better.
It does.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yes, I say that I'm not a crunchy mom, but
I'm a little crispy.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You know, Yes, I'm might be fried.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
So it's like I will do what I can and
using an honest, diaper is one of those little things
that you can do, yes, to keep things cleaner around here.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, no, for sure. Okay, so most of us are
in the toddler phase. So girl, Actually, I think we
talked about this. I'm like, three is where I struggle.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
That's so interesting. I think it obviously just depends on kids. Yes,
it just it just depends on the kids. And I
just think that mine are wired to be more difficult
when they're younger.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And I don't know, or maybe I just.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Like need to be able to communicate with them better
because once they start walking, when they start talking, it's
like I just that's when I light up.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah, no, I mean and I love I love the
all the new words that Romans learning and that excitement
and that fun and that joy. I guess I'm just
this stage just scares me more because a how active
he is and how wild he is. But then also
I feel like once it hits the toddler phase, they're
just they grow up so fast. It's like the day
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go by.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Every night when I go to bed, I'm like, oh
my god, you're going to bed already. Can you believe
the other day has gone by and Jenna. Maybe he's
a second kid boy thing because my my first boy
never into things like putting his fingers in sockets, never
trying to like hurt himself, but my second is constantly
trying to hurt himself. Yes, we need to babyproof in
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a way that we did not have to for the
other one. He's trying to put his hands in the toilet. Yeah,
this was never a thing.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
I feel like seconds, just in general, girl or boy,
like they filled the space that they that's left for them.
And you have first that are like angel babies who
you're like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
We doted on them.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
They were an only child for a long time or
some time. And then the second child's like, well where
do I fit in? How do I make myself known?
How do I make myself feel seen? Like my son,
like he finds his way through we got a really
cool baby pen and he sticks his arms through the
pen and pulls at the tiles and pulls the ends
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off the tiles and has them like in his mouth,
and we're like, I don't, how did you do that?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Why?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Like he's finding like little crevices in corners that my
daughter never did.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
So I just feel like they fill that space. That's true.
You know, three is tough. Yeah, No, that's just the
age where I felt like once both my kids hit three,
it was it was challenging because they were like little
crocodiles with a voice, right, They don't really know how
to fully express themselves. But they're just these crocodiles and
they have such a big opinion, which is beautiful and great.
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And I think, I think this go around, I'll probably
have I hope I have more patience this round because
it's one to two was tough for me, but two
to three actually wasn't that hard. And I don't know
if it's because mine more older, but I have enjoyed
it more.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
So.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Maybe a lot of people say that they're like, have
a third.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
It's not going to make as much of a difference,
are you talking about? I am so overwhelmed with two
and we're one on one right now? How could you
throw another one in? You are lucky, Jenna. I think
that was a nice age gap because at least the
other two are like fully functioning.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, Like they can get their cereal in the morning,
and they can get dressed and take showers, and it's
so it's almost like having one again.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
And yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and but so many
sets of hands to kind of help maybe exactly.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Potty training, when did you guys start, because I've done
both at two and but I don't think Roman's going
to be ready for two. We did.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
We did my daughter right before her third birthday, but
between two and a half and three she was like
very potty curious, so she was going on the potty,
but we hadn't like done, you know, the cold turkey
diapers are going goodbye, and so it was kind of
progressive for us, and I think it made it more
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a little bit easier, the transition a little bit easier.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
But I think I think with my son, I'll try sooner.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I don't know what you guys thinker Janet, because you've
been through this so many times.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Like I've always done it, like right when they turned
too Yeah yeah, and it's worked a three day naked
we just stay home and it's constantly just putting them
on the body, and it worked every single time. Wow.
But I again, I don't know what Roman's gonna be
so TBD. So right now I am happy that you know,
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we've got honest to keep him, you know, in this
phase because again with how active he is, with the
climbing and the wildness, we used to have blowouts in
the past, and I'm like, this is with honest, we
don't have like we well, he'll have blowouts, but no leak,
which is a blessing with how much he moves.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
That's also the clothes that you get ruined, like the
amount of clothes and then you pass them along and
you're like, I'm sorry, this is a bright yellow.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Stage and I'm not sure that you want it. Have
you guys ever had a blowout on an at an airplane?
Because that is the worst. And then the one time
you forget too have you forget the clothes and then
it's on you and so it's.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Like, literally it's the worst. I don't know what it
is about planes, but it is so gnarly. It is
like we had turbulence ones and we couldn't change her
and we were like, I'm unwell and I'm sure the
people around us are unwell.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
So this is not going well.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
That's why every baby needs to be in honest Ashley,
what was your what was your horror story?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
You uncovered a memory for me that I forgot.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
It was.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It was Hayden's first trip, and I don't know. I
just wasn't thinking he was going to poop that big
on a airplane when he was like six.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Weeks old, and he he did.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
And I didn't bring a change of clothes, but I
did have another diaper, so he was just naked on
the plane with a diaper on, and I was like, wow,
this is I look like a really great mom right now.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Listen. I think we all have those stories, and every
time I see a mom on an airplane, I'm like,
you're doing a great job. Oh yeah, because they are.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
What about people who complain about babies crying on planes,
because it's like you if you don't you obviously don't
have children if you're complaining about this, because the person
who's dealing with the crying baby is under far more
stress than you are, sitting a couple rows behind them,
like irritated at the sound.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Right. I feel so bad when a baby starts crying
because that parent is dying inside. And it's like you
don't need to because it's like, we get it. Most
ninety percent of us, hopefully on that plane get it.
What I don't love though, is when the parent, like,
let's say there's a toddler and listen, it is hard
to get to keep Roman in his seat at almost two,
Like it is challenging and he might grab the seats,
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but I am actively being like Roman, stop, don't do this, Roman, don't.
And it's when it's when the parent doesn't do anything,
that's what bothers me. If they just let them go
wild and not be like I'm sorry. Like I'm always like,
I am so sorry to everyone around me. I'm going
to do my best and that's all I really can do.
Like just it's just the little piece of people that
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are like, don't care that they're attacking the person see
in front of you. That's what bothers me.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I think just being apologetic and like when you see
the parent and the look of fear that is on
their face and the just like on the verge of tears,
you're like, we're we've got you, You're good. But when
the parent has no semblance of awareness around them, that's
when you're like, well't do something, you know, but at
least try, you know, yes, exactly, But I feel like
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there's these things on planes now they're talking about of
like areas that you can reserve.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
That are like kid free.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
What where They're thinking about doing it so that like
people who don't want to hear the crying baby or
be close to the crying baby can reserve of like
a seat like extra leg room an extra fee.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I mean, I guess if you want to pay the
extra fee, fine, I just want to be around there.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Yeah, exactly, none of us will be.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
No, there's like a.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Frenzy that goes through you being like I can't escape this.
I can't control my kids too. Like there's a certain
degree to which I can try, but I can't really
escape the situation. The age of like eight months to
two years on an airplane is so hard because they're
not watching the iPad yet.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
And I know iPad controversial, not on a flight.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I think anything goes on a plane. All we don't
anything iPads, but they do on planes. It's the only
time they ever.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Come right on a plane. Exactly. He doesn't even know
it exists unless he's on a plane.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I do find it to be more way more stimulating
than the TV for him. You can tell a difference
if he's watched the iPad all day on a plane.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, one, and then they get addicted. Can I have
it again?
Speaker 4 (18:56):
No?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
No, No, it was just it will go back to
a secret hiding spot, which I as usually forget where
the hiding spot is, like where is the iPad? No idea,
But you're right, it's like once you get to that,
it's roman. Could care less about it, Like you.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Know, yeah, fift ten minute attention span. You're like, I
got ten minutes to have a sip of water.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
What next?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Do you wish someone told you about the toddler face?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
The particularness, like my three year old is just very
like to the point where I'm like, are you OCD
or are you three? Because everything, every ritual needs to
be stuck to, just like with discipline.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Interesting, No, this is this my three year old, So
it is OCD.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
That's okay, it's okay particular. Yeah, that's good. That's a
good thing.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Are you particular? Yes? I would say that I would
have like mild OCD, Like.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Actually, Jenna's coming into do therapy right now here you go?
Speaker 4 (19:54):
No, because I see that, Like my husband and I
are very clean and we tidy and we clean after her,
and sometimes I'm like we have to actually let her
be messy and like live in the mess, because I
think it's actually good for them.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
It's not in a mess situation. I'm not OCD like that.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I mean, like if I don't touch the light switch
before I go to bed.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Somebody will die. So he he's like sticking to this situation.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Like if he doesn't shake his milk and he doesn't
have a similar cup, and if I don't do the
bedtime routine exactly the way he wants it, mind is lost. Wow,
it's probably that's okay.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
That's okay, Yeah, where does it come from? Let's talk
about childhood And I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
The whole Dad's side similar, we're.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
All learning things right, and I feel like the best
thing I wish someone you know, told me that to like,
and I think that's what I'm doing now is I'm
embracing it more. It's like he is. We just started
two days in preschool because I just want he's a
little I think behind in the the talking and his words,
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so I thought it'd be, you know, good for him
maybe to be around kids for two days a week,
and I stress so much when he doesn't get his
nap in preschool because he's not used to the COT.
It's like I am trying to not stress out so much.
I'm like, if he misses the long nap or if
he doesn't get this, like, he will be okay, we
just put him to bed early. And I think back
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in the last two I would literally lose my mind
stress so much that I would like me and my
husband wouldn't fight, or just because I just was like
overwhelmed with the pressure and the stress of making sure
he got a nap, and it's like, you don't, It's
he'll be fine if he misses a nap. He misses
a nap and it's all good, try again tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
I feel like having multiple children definitely like that like
mel Robbins let them kind of theory of like you.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Just have to you just have to go with it.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Like I've even gotten a little bit, uh, Jenna, I
was like you with my daughter with the naps and
the bedtime, like it was on the dot, if not
two minutes before and if not, like it stressed me out,
it stressed her out. Like the whole family felt that.
So I think with my second he was he's much
more you know, You're like well he'll nap or he won't.
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And if she has a thing, then will he won't nap.
And it's calmed me down in her like for her
schedule and her routine as well, in a way that
I think has like helped the whole family, helped her,
helped him. Like it's just it's calmed us all down
a little bit that.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Like everything's gonna be fine.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
And there is so much pressure and there's so much
information out there that you're ingesting every day. You should
do this, you shouldn't do that, Like do this, don't
do that, that's bad for you. But if you're doing this,
like it's just it's like too much, and like you
just have to listen to like the instincts that are
inside of you.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
You know it's best for your kids.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
So like I wish somebody had just told me, like
ignore the noise and go with your in with my
first we did this Mommy and Me class and it
was still kind of COVID times actually, like you know,
like it was we were still kind of in that
like coming out phase of like yeah, yeah, And and
we did Mommy and Me on Zoom and I was breastfeeding,
but a lot of these moms are doing formula, which
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is amazing, like that is best whatever, you know, how
your child's getting their nutrition. Great, But they were talking
about like ounces and all these things and take them
out of this new get that, throw that snow out
of your house, and like it was so old school.
And every time I walked away, I would walk into
this like mommy and me like I've got this. You know,
we're doing great. She's sleeping, and then I would walk
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out of the mommy and me like zoom and click
out and be like I feel like a horrible mom
who has no idea what she's doing. And my husband
was like, stop going to this, just stop, like you
got this, We're good. So I just wish somebody had
told me, like chill, like just like listen to trust
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your own moms. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and do what works
best for you generally on all things, because that transcends
like infant, you know, newborn, infant, toddler, like you just
have to like the school stuff that's coming now in
the preschools, and everybody is like it's crazy and there's
just so much noise.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
So yep, yeah, actually, anything to add to that.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I feel like I've oddly been like pretty chill type. Ee, Mom,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I didn't think that was gonna be in my nature either,
because I'm like more as far as like work and
myself like a minus type I and.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
The scheduling is making me.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It's interesting because you guys both have like had strict schedules,
had them do sleep training, and here I am with
my second kid who just is still at like thirteen
months and not doesn't sleep through the night, has has
wakes up twice a night, and I can't. I think
my like achilles heel is just I can't do the sleep.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I don't know. I can't let him cry it out.
I can't. And my kids like scream. It's not like
they just cry, it's like they scream bloody murder in
the middle of the night.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
My three year old is amazing as sleep now, but
as babies, both of them, just I can't get it.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, So I'm like, people are like, don't give him
a bottle in the middle of night, like, let him
cry it out, and I'm right, oh god, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
This is me following my mom instinct, just like I'm
actually just gonna get up with him.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Every time he gets up.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And if that's what she want to do, that's what
you know what I mean, Like, I need to sleep.
So that's why I did like this more than on
the sleep training stuff, because I know what I need
and I need a certain amount of hours or I'm
not the best, you know, version of myself. So for me,
it's like I had to do that. But at the
same time, like, yeah, there's times when I'm when I'm
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nap training and stuff where my sleep consultant lady was like,
let him cry, and I'm like, I don't want to
go in and I'm gonna give him a little touch
on the back and just be like I love you.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Yeah. Yeah, does that work because it doesn't work for
my kids, No, it didn't work.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
But then I had to let them cry it out.
But in their day, I needed to do it.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, it's whatever works. It's whatever. Yeah, it's whatever works.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
And you're your older kid sleeps.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Great, so like, yeah, it's the same thing with like
my daughter, she's dyslexic, she's you know, she's learning, she's
trying things, she's you know, working hard with with you know,
her schooling and stuff, and it's like listen. You know,
she's in fourth grade. She still messes up her d's
and b's. But I'm like, you know, okay, it's fine,
Like you're and she's like with tying shoes and stuff.
(26:35):
It's like you're you're not going to go to college
and not tying your shoes and not knowing what your
DNB is, you know what I mean, Like you will
be fine.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
M hm exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Totally get you the resources, get you the help, and
you know, not stress about it.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
People told me when my oldest was not walking at
like you started walking at seventeen months, probably really getting
the swing of that eighteen months and that's pretty old.
And people they're like, don't worry, he's not going to
crawl into kindergarten exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Well, and also like Roman, he did not he had
maybe a week of crawling. I mean he was so
top heavy, like he was a literal meatball, and like
he didn't sit up until maybe eight months, but then
he was walking at ten.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Like it was just like once he sat up, he
was like, I'm not gonna crawl, I'm just gonna start walking. Yeah,
so you know, all all babies are different, and he
was truly just a big ahead like that was a meantball.
I love that literally what he was. He was a
meatball for Halloween two.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
That was like, that's so cute.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
And then when we got married, he was a meatball
in a kilts because my husband's Scottish, so he was
like in a kilt, just this big head.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Sweet.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Got to love them. But listen, like, we're not moms
trying to tell you what to do, but you really,
you know, I wish I would have chosen Honest diapers
earlier because again, I wouldn't have had as many blowouts
on planes and poop all over me and my kids
are really sensitive skin too. We made the switch because
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of that fact. The with Honest is hypolergenic and we've
loved it ever since.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
So yeah, Honest was like so good.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Honest like a total staple in our house because everything
they have is really skin sensitive.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
We use all Honest product, yeah, exactly, the shampoo, the conditioner,
like my daughter with all of it.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
The wipes too, you don't have to feel weird about
putting on that face.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, every single product we love and you can trust that,
and that's that's again that helps us. Mom asleep at night, ladies,
this has been so great. Thank you for sharing your
your struggles, your triumphs and all the things with motherhood.
And I think it's great to have conversations like this
because we're all in it and we're you know, we
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just have to uplift each other. And I'll never understand
moms that shame other moms because we're all just doing
our best for our kids and listening to our you know,
to our gut and our mom in stinks. So we
need to have people that like uplift and be like cool,
you want to sleep with your kid in bed every day? Awesome?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Great, do it?
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, you know, yeah, whatever works for you, exactly exactly.
So I hope this conversation reminded you that no one
has it all figured out and that's okay. Every stage
of parenting comes with its own kind of chaos, but
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Wind Down with Jana Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.
Hey guys, it's Jana Kramer and welcome to a special
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the beautiful chaos of raising little humans. Every stage comes
with its own, wild, wonderful challenges, and to talk about
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it all, I'm here with a few of my mom friends,
Ashley Aikenetti and Jenna Ushkowitz. We're going to talk about
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parents where they are, no matter what stage they're in.
So let's get into it, Hi, ladies.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
He Hello.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Can we talk about how Jenna like literally has an
aged ever who's you.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Exactly frozen in time at like twenty four? Really not?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And i haven't done botox in over a year and
I'm really starting to see my wrinkles now. I'm struggling,
like I'm having a struggle with it because it's like
I really don't want to do it, but I do
want to do it, and I but I don't but
I do.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yes, it is I just wanted to do it.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Look in the mirror at all, and I'm like, fine,
this is great. It's so much better for me. But
then you're like, oh.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
God, it's when the makeup starts to crease that like
really kills me. And then I've watched a few movies
that I film this year and I'm like, oh, like
that's deep. But it's fine. We're moms, right, you know,
allows to age. This is exactly we're allowed to age.
And I'm trying to because okay, for the listeners, Ashley,
you've got two boys ages again.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
One just turned one and then the other one is three.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
And a half. Wow, okay. And then Jenna, what is it?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Boy girl a girl?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Boy? First, she's three and my son is eight and
a half. Oh nine months?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, you and I yeah right here.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, you guys were in it truly. Yeah, and we're
in it with all the stages too, because I have
a almost ten year old girl, an almost seven year
old boy, and then I have an almost two year
old little boy. Yeah, So I mean just all the
stages here we come, yeah, you know, oh my gosh,
(02:20):
but let's let's go back because I feel like it's
it's so funny to talk to different moms because everyone
has a favorite stage, and for me, it's always been
the infant stage. I literally just said to my husband
yesterday he was holding one of my friend's little girls,
and we don't have we don't share a biological girl together,
(02:40):
like he's obviously stepfather to my daughter. But I was like,
you look so cute with a girl, Like don't you
want another baby? And he's like no, He's like you do.
I go yes, ye, Like you wouldn't be so cute.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Girl.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I mean you were right right because you've got two boys.
Are you gonna go again?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
No? I I literally can't relate because I love the
toddler face so much more. My one year old is
just like coming into his own like he was learning
how to high five yesterday.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I was like, this is what I was waiting for.
Both my kids were.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Really hard, like zero to one year olds and then
one to two was I don't know. I mean with
my oldest also pretty challenging, and once he hit two
it was like smooth sailing. He's an angel, Like, I
can just handle it so much better.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I have no desire.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I see these Instagram reels that's like, oh my god,
like getting the baby craving again, and I'm like, I
have no baby craving. If we could skip to two,
I'd be like, all right, now we can consider having
a third.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Wow. My uh my favorite is engine like eight months
nine months, so we're deep in like my.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Favor, You're starting to see the emotions and oh smile,
so yummys.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I just don't my my my husband is used to
be a teacher. He's like, I can't wait till she's
like three. She turned three. They have like their own
thing going. She's you know, she's she's whip smart and independent.
And it makes it really difficult for us sometimes because
I feel like I'm staring at myself, you know, a
tiny version of myself, which is a difficult person. I
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feel like the this infant phase, you can like they
can't talk back to you yet, and it's so yummy,
and there really are like coming into their own.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So I don't want another child. I just want time
to stop.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, I feel that I would love to stop. Three
and a half right now is such a perfect age.
He's just endearing and he's saying just the most incredible things,
like you guys are Yesterday, I said to him when
he was going to bed, will you go to a
Backstreet Boys concert in jonahs Pler concerts with me when
you're a little bit older, And he goes, I want
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to go to a Jonahs concert right now when I'm tiny,
And I'm like, oh, this is my perfect match in life.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Oh my, what.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Was your most memorable I know you said you obviously
love the toddler better stage, but what is your most
memorable as the infant face?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I loved newborn because newborn they're just so cozy and
cuddly and they were easier and I don't know, my
kids became like fuss City at three months.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Wow, just so fussy.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I don't know whether it's they want attention constantly, but
like they needed to be stimulated.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, now I get that. I personally love that you
could just hold them and they because right now Roman
almost being two, he is literally a wild child. Like
he is. He's my middle son, who's a boy. He
didn't have that boy energy. He is very sweet and
cautious and just I mean, Roman is a force. Like
(05:53):
he is. I can't get him to stop jumping off
of things. I mean like dining room tables, climbing. I'm
just it's like, what we have an actual animal in
the house, and like I it's like I just remember
when he was just a baby and he just laid
there on me and he was so sweet and he
just stayed like yeah, and it was just felt a
little safe for her.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I think that early stage, like they we were contact
nappers from my daughter was a contact napper and like
with your first you don't know, you're just supposed to do.
They're like, don't contact nap, You're going to ruin their sleep.
But like it's what she loved and it worked for us.
And like I would sit in a dark room because
I could and you know, hang out with her for
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two hours and she just sleep on me. And I
love that because my son is a really good sleeper,
but he does not do that. He I'll put him
in the crib and he'll go to sleep, but he
does not like to sleep on me. And so I
missed that like contact time. But this age, that eight
nine month when they're smiling and laughing and they can
respond to you and they're eating and like he just
(06:57):
figured out how to sit up up from crawling like
on his own, and you can see how proud he
is when he does it. He like stands in like
downward dog position and then like slides his leg through
and sits up and he's like, wow, I just did.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
That, and it's so cute.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, it's so sweet. And Jenna, I'll say this, I
regret not doing the I've never contact napped my first two.
I was very much I'm a sleep trainer, not enough.
And on the third same, I'm like when he was
two weeks old, I'm like, okay, it's you know the
sleep train, sleep train. He won't cut all now, like
I mean all at all. So every time I want
(07:35):
to like try to rock because now I'm like no, no,
like I want to hold you and rock you. And
he's like bed, Like I don't because he never really
had that because I just always put him straight to
bed when he was awake. And I know there are
it's great because they can sell sooth and they go
to bed, and I'm like, no, he was most likely
my last Like why did I do this and I
missed the snuggles.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I know, because my daughter will still snuggle, but said,
he's like, no, see, did.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
You guys ever freak out about the umbilical cord and diapers.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
A little bit? Yeah? It felt weird. It felt weird.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, well, I gotta shout out to honest,
because they have this even with the smallest details like
the umbilical cord cut out on the newborn and the
size one, So if there's mamas out there and you know,
because you don't want it being ripped off, it shouldn't
come off too soon. So they've actually have an umbilical
cord cut out on the newborn and size one of
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their Clean Conscious diapers. So things like that, I feel
like amazing. I didn't have that on the first I didn't,
I didn't know. But with Roman, I was just like,
this is amazing, and I wish I would have uses
on the first two. So the things I missed and
found out on the third time around.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah, well, the amount of things like even our parents
are like, I didn't have that when.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
You were growing up. We just left the door open.
You know, you guys, imagine what they put on us.
I don't even know what I mean, Like, now we've
got you know, honest diapers, they're hyper allergenic, fragrance free.
I mean, I can't even what did they put on
our bums back in the day.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
So I mean, seriously, imagine what's to come in twenty
years from now, Like we're going to be telling our
kids thirty years from now, we're like, yep, I can
have that back then. It's like, what is it going
to be like a little incubator thing.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, well, at least like robots changing diapers for us. Yeah, honestly,
like we're we're good and with the brands like honest
to keep us knowing that we are putting things on
our babes that are that are good, And that makes
me it's so hard being a mom and there's so
many things being thrown at you and there's so many
things out there that aren't good for kiddos. So to
(09:40):
know that there is good things just makes makes it better.
It does.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yes, I say that I'm not a crunchy mom, but
I'm a little crispy.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You know, Yes, I'm might be fried.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
So it's like I will do what I can and
using an honest, diaper is one of those little things
that you can do, yes, to keep things cleaner around here.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, no, for sure. Okay, so most of us are
in the toddler phase. So girl, Actually, I think we
talked about this. I'm like, three is where I struggle.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
That's so interesting. I think it obviously just depends on kids. Yes,
it just it just depends on the kids. And I
just think that mine are wired to be more difficult
when they're younger.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And I don't know, or maybe I just.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Like need to be able to communicate with them better
because once they start walking, when they start talking, it's
like I just that's when I light up.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah, no, I mean and I love I love the
all the new words that Romans learning and that excitement
and that fun and that joy. I guess I'm just
this stage just scares me more because a how active
he is and how wild he is. But then also
I feel like once it hits the toddler phase, they're
just they grow up so fast. It's like the day
(11:00):
go by.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Every night when I go to bed, I'm like, oh
my god, you're going to bed already. Can you believe
the other day has gone by and Jenna. Maybe he's
a second kid boy thing because my my first boy
never into things like putting his fingers in sockets, never
trying to like hurt himself, but my second is constantly
trying to hurt himself. Yes, we need to babyproof in
(11:24):
a way that we did not have to for the
other one. He's trying to put his hands in the toilet. Yeah,
this was never a thing.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
I feel like seconds, just in general, girl or boy,
like they filled the space that they that's left for them.
And you have first that are like angel babies who
you're like, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
We doted on them.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
They were an only child for a long time or
some time. And then the second child's like, well where
do I fit in? How do I make myself known?
How do I make myself feel seen? Like my son,
like he finds his way through we got a really
cool baby pen and he sticks his arms through the
pen and pulls at the tiles and pulls the ends
(12:05):
off the tiles and has them like in his mouth,
and we're like, I don't, how did you do that?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Why?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Like he's finding like little crevices in corners that my
daughter never did.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
So I just feel like they fill that space. That's true.
You know, three is tough. Yeah, No, that's just the
age where I felt like once both my kids hit three,
it was it was challenging because they were like little
crocodiles with a voice, right, They don't really know how
to fully express themselves. But they're just these crocodiles and
they have such a big opinion, which is beautiful and great.
(12:40):
And I think, I think this go around, I'll probably
have I hope I have more patience this round because
it's one to two was tough for me, but two
to three actually wasn't that hard. And I don't know
if it's because mine more older, but I have enjoyed
it more.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
So.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Maybe a lot of people say that they're like, have
a third.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
It's not going to make as much of a difference,
are you talking about? I am so overwhelmed with two
and we're one on one right now? How could you
throw another one in? You are lucky, Jenna. I think
that was a nice age gap because at least the
other two are like fully functioning.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, Like they can get their cereal in the morning,
and they can get dressed and take showers, and it's
so it's almost like having one again.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
And yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and but so many
sets of hands to kind of help maybe exactly.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Potty training, when did you guys start, because I've done
both at two and but I don't think Roman's going
to be ready for two. We did.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
We did my daughter right before her third birthday, but
between two and a half and three she was like
very potty curious, so she was going on the potty,
but we hadn't like done, you know, the cold turkey
diapers are going goodbye, and so it was kind of
progressive for us, and I think it made it more
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a little bit easier, the transition a little bit easier.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
But I think I think with my son, I'll try sooner.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I don't know what you guys thinker Janet, because you've
been through this so many times.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Like I've always done it, like right when they turned
too Yeah yeah, and it's worked a three day naked
we just stay home and it's constantly just putting them
on the body, and it worked every single time. Wow.
But I again, I don't know what Roman's gonna be
so TBD. So right now I am happy that you know,
(14:44):
we've got honest to keep him, you know, in this
phase because again with how active he is, with the
climbing and the wildness, we used to have blowouts in
the past, and I'm like, this is with honest, we
don't have like we well, he'll have blowouts, but no leak,
which is a blessing with how much he moves.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
That's also the clothes that you get ruined, like the
amount of clothes and then you pass them along and
you're like, I'm sorry, this is a bright yellow.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Stage and I'm not sure that you want it. Have
you guys ever had a blowout on an at an airplane?
Because that is the worst. And then the one time
you forget too have you forget the clothes and then
it's on you and so it's.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Like, literally it's the worst. I don't know what it
is about planes, but it is so gnarly. It is
like we had turbulence ones and we couldn't change her
and we were like, I'm unwell and I'm sure the
people around us are unwell.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
So this is not going well.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
That's why every baby needs to be in honest Ashley,
what was your what was your horror story?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
You uncovered a memory for me that I forgot.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
It was.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It was Hayden's first trip, and I don't know. I
just wasn't thinking he was going to poop that big
on a airplane when he was like six.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Weeks old, and he he did.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
And I didn't bring a change of clothes, but I
did have another diaper, so he was just naked on
the plane with a diaper on, and I was like, wow,
this is I look like a really great mom right now.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Listen. I think we all have those stories, and every
time I see a mom on an airplane, I'm like,
you're doing a great job. Oh yeah, because they are.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
What about people who complain about babies crying on planes,
because it's like you if you don't you obviously don't
have children if you're complaining about this, because the person
who's dealing with the crying baby is under far more
stress than you are, sitting a couple rows behind them,
like irritated at the sound.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Right. I feel so bad when a baby starts crying
because that parent is dying inside. And it's like you
don't need to because it's like, we get it. Most
ninety percent of us, hopefully on that plane get it.
What I don't love though, is when the parent, like,
let's say there's a toddler and listen, it is hard
to get to keep Roman in his seat at almost two,
Like it is challenging and he might grab the seats,
(16:57):
but I am actively being like Roman, stop, don't do this, Roman, don't.
And it's when it's when the parent doesn't do anything,
that's what bothers me. If they just let them go
wild and not be like I'm sorry. Like I'm always like,
I am so sorry to everyone around me. I'm going
to do my best and that's all I really can do.
Like just it's just the little piece of people that
(17:17):
are like, don't care that they're attacking the person see
in front of you. That's what bothers me.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I think just being apologetic and like when you see
the parent and the look of fear that is on
their face and the just like on the verge of tears,
you're like, we're we've got you, You're good. But when
the parent has no semblance of awareness around them, that's
when you're like, well't do something, you know, but at
least try, you know, yes, exactly, But I feel like
(17:44):
there's these things on planes now they're talking about of
like areas that you can reserve.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
That are like kid free.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
What where They're thinking about doing it so that like
people who don't want to hear the crying baby or
be close to the crying baby can reserve of like
a seat like extra leg room an extra fee.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I mean, I guess if you want to pay the
extra fee, fine, I just want to be around there.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Yeah, exactly, none of us will be.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
No, there's like a.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Frenzy that goes through you being like I can't escape this.
I can't control my kids too. Like there's a certain
degree to which I can try, but I can't really
escape the situation. The age of like eight months to
two years on an airplane is so hard because they're
not watching the iPad yet.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
And I know iPad controversial, not on a flight.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I think anything goes on a plane. All we don't
anything iPads, but they do on planes. It's the only
time they ever.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Come right on a plane. Exactly. He doesn't even know
it exists unless he's on a plane.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
I do find it to be more way more stimulating
than the TV for him. You can tell a difference
if he's watched the iPad all day on a plane.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, one, and then they get addicted. Can I have
it again?
Speaker 4 (18:56):
No?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
No, No, it was just it will go back to
a secret hiding spot, which I as usually forget where
the hiding spot is, like where is the iPad? No idea,
But you're right, it's like once you get to that,
it's roman. Could care less about it, Like you.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Know, yeah, fift ten minute attention span. You're like, I
got ten minutes to have a sip of water.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
What next?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Do you wish someone told you about the toddler face?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
The particularness, like my three year old is just very
like to the point where I'm like, are you OCD
or are you three? Because everything, every ritual needs to
be stuck to, just like with discipline.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Interesting, No, this is this my three year old, So
it is OCD.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
That's okay, it's okay particular. Yeah, that's good. That's a
good thing.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Are you particular? Yes? I would say that I would
have like mild OCD, Like.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Actually, Jenna's coming into do therapy right now here you go?
Speaker 4 (19:54):
No, because I see that, Like my husband and I
are very clean and we tidy and we clean after her,
and sometimes I'm like we have to actually let her
be messy and like live in the mess, because I
think it's actually good for them.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
It's not in a mess situation. I'm not OCD like that.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I mean, like if I don't touch the light switch
before I go to bed.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Somebody will die. So he he's like sticking to this situation.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Like if he doesn't shake his milk and he doesn't
have a similar cup, and if I don't do the
bedtime routine exactly the way he wants it, mind is lost. Wow,
it's probably that's okay.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
That's okay, Yeah, where does it come from? Let's talk
about childhood And I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
The whole Dad's side similar, we're.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
All learning things right, and I feel like the best
thing I wish someone you know, told me that to like,
and I think that's what I'm doing now is I'm
embracing it more. It's like he is. We just started
two days in preschool because I just want he's a
little I think behind in the the talking and his words,
(21:01):
so I thought it'd be, you know, good for him
maybe to be around kids for two days a week,
and I stress so much when he doesn't get his
nap in preschool because he's not used to the COT.
It's like I am trying to not stress out so much.
I'm like, if he misses the long nap or if
he doesn't get this, like, he will be okay, we
just put him to bed early. And I think back
(21:24):
in the last two I would literally lose my mind
stress so much that I would like me and my
husband wouldn't fight, or just because I just was like
overwhelmed with the pressure and the stress of making sure
he got a nap, and it's like, you don't, It's
he'll be fine if he misses a nap. He misses
a nap and it's all good, try again tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
I feel like having multiple children definitely like that like
mel Robbins let them kind of theory of like you.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Just have to you just have to go with it.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Like I've even gotten a little bit, uh, Jenna, I
was like you with my daughter with the naps and
the bedtime, like it was on the dot, if not
two minutes before and if not, like it stressed me out,
it stressed her out. Like the whole family felt that.
So I think with my second he was he's much
more you know, You're like well he'll nap or he won't.
(22:13):
And if she has a thing, then will he won't nap.
And it's calmed me down in her like for her
schedule and her routine as well, in a way that
I think has like helped the whole family, helped her,
helped him. Like it's just it's calmed us all down
a little bit that.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Like everything's gonna be fine.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
And there is so much pressure and there's so much
information out there that you're ingesting every day. You should
do this, you shouldn't do that, Like do this, don't
do that, that's bad for you. But if you're doing this,
like it's just it's like too much, and like you
just have to listen to like the instincts that are
inside of you.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
You know it's best for your kids.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
So like I wish somebody had just told me, like
ignore the noise and go with your in with my
first we did this Mommy and Me class and it
was still kind of COVID times actually, like you know,
like it was we were still kind of in that
like coming out phase of like yeah, yeah, And and
we did Mommy and Me on Zoom and I was breastfeeding,
but a lot of these moms are doing formula, which
(23:15):
is amazing, like that is best whatever, you know, how
your child's getting their nutrition. Great, But they were talking
about like ounces and all these things and take them
out of this new get that, throw that snow out
of your house, and like it was so old school.
And every time I walked away, I would walk into
this like mommy and me like I've got this. You know,
we're doing great. She's sleeping, and then I would walk
(23:37):
out of the mommy and me like zoom and click
out and be like I feel like a horrible mom
who has no idea what she's doing. And my husband
was like, stop going to this, just stop, like you
got this, We're good. So I just wish somebody had
told me, like chill, like just like listen to trust
(23:58):
your own moms. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and do what works
best for you generally on all things, because that transcends
like infant, you know, newborn, infant, toddler, like you just
have to like the school stuff that's coming now in
the preschools, and everybody is like it's crazy and there's
just so much noise.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
So yep, yeah, actually, anything to add to that.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I feel like I've oddly been like pretty chill type. Ee, Mom,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I didn't think that was gonna be in my nature either,
because I'm like more as far as like work and
myself like a minus type I and.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
The scheduling is making me.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It's interesting because you guys both have like had strict schedules,
had them do sleep training, and here I am with
my second kid who just is still at like thirteen
months and not doesn't sleep through the night, has has
wakes up twice a night, and I can't. I think
my like achilles heel is just I can't do the sleep.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I don't know. I can't let him cry it out.
I can't. And my kids like scream. It's not like
they just cry, it's like they scream bloody murder in
the middle of the night.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
My three year old is amazing as sleep now, but
as babies, both of them, just I can't get it.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, So I'm like, people are like, don't give him
a bottle in the middle of night, like, let him
cry it out, and I'm right, oh god, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
This is me following my mom instinct, just like I'm
actually just gonna get up with him.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Every time he gets up.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And if that's what she want to do, that's what
you know what I mean, Like, I need to sleep.
So that's why I did like this more than on
the sleep training stuff, because I know what I need
and I need a certain amount of hours or I'm
not the best, you know, version of myself. So for me,
it's like I had to do that. But at the
same time, like, yeah, there's times when I'm when I'm
(25:50):
nap training and stuff where my sleep consultant lady was like,
let him cry, and I'm like, I don't want to
go in and I'm gonna give him a little touch
on the back and just be like I love you.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Yeah. Yeah, does that work because it doesn't work for
my kids, No, it didn't work.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
But then I had to let them cry it out.
But in their day, I needed to do it.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, it's whatever works. It's whatever. Yeah, it's whatever works.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
And you're your older kid sleeps.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Great, so like, yeah, it's the same thing with like
my daughter, she's dyslexic, she's you know, she's learning, she's
trying things, she's you know, working hard with with you know,
her schooling and stuff, and it's like listen. You know,
she's in fourth grade. She still messes up her d's
and b's. But I'm like, you know, okay, it's fine,
Like you're and she's like with tying shoes and stuff.
(26:35):
It's like you're you're not going to go to college
and not tying your shoes and not knowing what your
DNB is, you know what I mean, Like you will
be fine.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
M hm exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Totally get you the resources, get you the help, and
you know, not stress about it.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
People told me when my oldest was not walking at
like you started walking at seventeen months, probably really getting
the swing of that eighteen months and that's pretty old.
And people they're like, don't worry, he's not going to
crawl into kindergarten exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Well, and also like Roman, he did not he had
maybe a week of crawling. I mean he was so
top heavy, like he was a literal meatball, and like
he didn't sit up until maybe eight months, but then
he was walking at ten.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Like it was just like once he sat up, he
was like, I'm not gonna crawl, I'm just gonna start walking. Yeah,
so you know, all all babies are different, and he
was truly just a big ahead like that was a meantball.
I love that literally what he was. He was a
meatball for Halloween two.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
That was like, that's so cute.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
And then when we got married, he was a meatball
in a kilts because my husband's Scottish, so he was
like in a kilt, just this big head.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Sweet.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Got to love them. But listen, like, we're not moms
trying to tell you what to do, but you really,
you know, I wish I would have chosen Honest diapers
earlier because again, I wouldn't have had as many blowouts
on planes and poop all over me and my kids
are really sensitive skin too. We made the switch because
(28:05):
of that fact. The with Honest is hypolergenic and we've
loved it ever since.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
So yeah, Honest was like so good.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Honest like a total staple in our house because everything
they have is really skin sensitive.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
We use all Honest product, yeah, exactly, the shampoo, the conditioner,
like my daughter with all of it.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
The wipes too, you don't have to feel weird about
putting on that face.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, every single product we love and you can trust that,
and that's that's again that helps us. Mom asleep at night, ladies,
this has been so great. Thank you for sharing your
your struggles, your triumphs and all the things with motherhood.
And I think it's great to have conversations like this
because we're all in it and we're you know, we
(28:51):
just have to uplift each other. And I'll never understand
moms that shame other moms because we're all just doing
our best for our kids and listening to our you know,
to our gut and our mom in stinks. So we
need to have people that like uplift and be like cool,
you want to sleep with your kid in bed every day? Awesome?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Great, do it?
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, you know, yeah, whatever works for you, exactly exactly.
So I hope this conversation reminded you that no one
has it all figured out and that's okay. Every stage
of parenting comes with its own kind of chaos, but
also so many little moments that make it all worth it.
A big thank you to my amazing mom friends for
showing up with me this episode, and to Honest for
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