April 1, 2025 • 36 mins
Jana, Kathryn and Kristen are hanging out with actress and reality star Denise Richards, who might inspire a new business venture for Jana!
Denise shares all about her time on the Real Housewives, co-parenting with Charlie Sheen, and she answers ALL of our OnlyFans questions!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Our super special bonus guests this week is none other
than Denise Richards. And I mean, guys, do you remember
watching Wild Things growing up? Denise Richards is iconic, especially
in our Yes group our age.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I don't really remember really.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Oh man, I was all in which like crazy and
this is so I auditioned for like wild Things. It
would have been like four at this point. It was
one of my very first auditions. It's actually quite funny,
but not to like look this, but I just had to,
like because I would never talk about this any other place.
(00:46):
But I was so excited because like wild Things was
such a big movie in our era and high school,
and so it was the it was like wild Things
four or something crazy like that. And I remember my
agent at times she was like it calls for showing
your boobs, and so I was like, okay, yeah, I'll
do it, like I'm totally doing it, and she's like,
(01:08):
I really want you to think about this, like I
got casted in it, like it was a full on
cast I got. I did the audition, hired and she's like,
you know, it's frontal boobs. It was just that point.
It was just like a flash of boobs and I'm like,
I'm going to do it, and she goes, I need
you to remember that this will be and this was
back in the day. I mean, this was before give
(01:29):
us a year. Okay, when was I on Friday night
Lights that would have been. This was I mean before
One Tree Hill, so I mean before social media. But
still she's like, this will be on the internet. The
internet was obviously around, so she's like, this is something
that will be on the internet and you won't be
able to erase this. I'm like, I know, but I
need the money. And it's like I'd just done Gray's Anatomy,
(01:52):
just little roles here, and I would be like red
in the bank account, you know, just fighting my way
to try to like get to a zero balance on
my on my card or my bank statement. And I
was like, I want to do it. I want to
do it. I'm like I'm going to do it, like
accept it, say yes for me, and she was just like,
I really just need you to take a night to
think about it, and so she just kept telling me
(02:14):
to say no. So I ended up turning down the
roll in A day later, I booked Frida night Lights
and she was like, I told.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
You, and I was like, oh my god. I almost
totally went titty lesson.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I was like, I must just show my ted sun friggin'
And I've always thought about that because it would have
changed a lot, I think for me in general, just
with everything.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
I mean, it is a pivotal moment when an actress
decides to show parts of her body. I think because
it especially for Wild Things four or whatever.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
It was, you know what I mean. It was like.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
If it was like Swordfish and I'm you know, Holly
Berry or whatever that movie was. You know, when she's
showing her it's a little bit different. That's where I'm
now I would pick where I choose media. It's like
is a going to move the needle? Is it going
to be? But I was just so desperate for a
work and be money, and you're also young. Yeah, I
mean so I thought, you know, Wild Things, why not?
(03:10):
It changed these Richard's career? Why not Wild Things? For
Why Things again? Show some boobs and there you go.
I mean, I too could have an only fans account
right now? I have fan Could you do only fans?
I mean, if it made me money. At this point,
(03:30):
she makes two million dollars a month. You know, people
like put her or her daughter Denise Richard's okay, so
I think her million dollar daughter makes a lot too.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Yeah yeah, but I'm not Denise Richards. I don't know
that I'm pulling it in right.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But if you could make let's just say, if you
could make two million dollars a year on only fans,
would you do it?
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Well?
Speaker 5 (03:49):
It depends what I'm showing, because some people show their
big toe and bank you know, there's some creeps out there.
I mean, if it's my big toe and these little
polish fe can be like my way to like financial freedom,
let's do it right, Yes, bear your soul see what
I did.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
But it just I mean how because I always think
there's always a price for everything. People say, yeah, oh,
I'm never gonna do that.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Sure, there's always price.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, but for how much? Would you?
Speaker 6 (04:17):
You know?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yep? And everybody's price is different. One person, you know, Alan,
if I said eat this piece of cheese, someone would
eat it for free, you know. Yeah, So I just
am curious and my question to you while we wait
for the lovely Denise Richards to come on the show,
what would you do and how much for I.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Would say, also the state of these moops if I
didn't have kids and somebody wanted to pay me to
see them and be like, yeah, girls, it's hard time
to shine. Just kidding, I have children. I won't show
any nudity.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
But I have a.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Question though I've never been on OnlyFans, so I don't
even know what I don't either.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I don't either.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It is like, what's the difference is it? Is it
a porn site?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I think you can get scanned list, But then there
are people that just go kind of specifically for their
own little fetishes.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
I have no idea, like I just assume it's something
where people go for just fetishes. Like so, either I've
only heard of feet, and then I get a.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Lot of Wiki feet things like they say, wait, like
when I post and I don't mean to, but if
I'm like the pool, they're like, oh your feet five
stars on Wiki feet or whatever, it's Wiki feet. I
don't know. I guess it's like a I don't who
knows there's a Wiki feet Maybe not, but that's what
they say. I'm there, But I'm like, I've thought I've
often so I was a little curious, so I went on,
(05:36):
but you can't. You have to sign up for her.
So I wanted to get like a snippet of what
it was. So I'm like, listen, I'm not against seeing
what it's like.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Maybe she can tell us.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Do you think we can ask her? So she's says,
you fully watched her show?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah, they're there. Yeah, we can definitely ask her.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Would you do OnlyFans and for how much?
Speaker 7 (05:55):
Well, I don't know how much, but it would it
would take a lot. A I hate feet, so I
don't even know that I could do the thing.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Hands.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I mean, your hands are pretty hot, yet.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
I could do hands.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
You would do hands for a lot?
Speaker 7 (06:06):
Like they just like a little bit of money, so
different just don't I don't want to know what they're
doing with just tried it on in their brain.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
She was like, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
I think hands would be the only thing because feet
literally weired me out. Interesting if I hate feet, so no,
and no, and then I could double again that's a no.
I mean again, everything has a price, for sure. I
don't know what it would take to get me naked baked.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
You we were talking about boots.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
I just said, I wouldn't do it if it was
just a feet thing. I could read a book to
someone and that turns them on.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Made me.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
You said show, I mean they do?
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Don't They do? They do? Because that's what.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Does she doesn't. I'm pretty sure I mean wild things.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
So what I'm saying, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
We need to ask, so I can't say that she's
showing some Yeah, let's.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Follow Jamna and Holy fans at Kramer. Wild things for God,
you just create. I just remember a teacher got in
trouble for only fans. That's the only way I even
know about it. She was a teacher and she would
dress a little sexy and she did this only fans.
But it's how she paid her bills because teaching wasn't lucrative,
and some a parent found it because a parent that's awful.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Stop yes, like a dad a dad? Oh no? But
then how does that conversation got what I'm saying that
his wife and says, let me jay, And then she said,
why the hell are you an Holy fan?
Speaker 7 (07:41):
Let me let me clarify. Okay, So I don't sound
like I don't know what I'm talking about. Don't talking
about she shares explicit content on her OnlyFans account, including
bikini and lingerie photos, as well as some topless images.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Get it, Denise at fifty four? Isn't she fifty four? Okay?
I just googled is OnlyFans porn site, and Wikipedia says
fans is Only Fans is an internet content subscription service
based in London. Interesting. The service is popular with sex
workers who produce pornography.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
So back to the naked part.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
I'm just wondering if we can edit this down and
take out the part where I said I would do.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I thought we knew that. That's why I was didn't
know that.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I really just thought it was like because by subscription only,
content creators can share nude photos of themselves, live stream
porn pornographic videos, and even virtually interact.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
All right, I'm going to go back. No, I wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Money, answered cat and hand.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Hey, guys, so I was misinformed. In my feet are
going to stay in my sock? What if it was
just the feet though?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
No, just she's like, let's look at this.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I gotta pay my ex husband somehow. And I'm saying
a little, you know, totally rad mo. Yeah, okay, I'm
gonna stop reading because it does not sound super safe.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Yeah, and now your account has been flagged. Yeah, oh game,
but listen.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's a lot of money. Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Well, and I think she's established herself in a field
where that feels less overwhelming to her. Sure, so she
might as well share for profit.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
Well, I also think, you know, keep in mind, her
daughter signed up first and started making a lot of money.
So that's the daughter twenty something. I need to And
I was going to ask her the age difference in
her daughter's because that's an interesting dynamic. But she did
it first. I think Denise got a lot of pushback
(09:48):
and the fact that her daughter was on it, but
then saw how lucrative it was, and she was like,
oh what am I doing?
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
That's how I understood it.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
So well, let's take a break and get it on.
You were born hot. Look at you.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Oh stop, that's true.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
We were just talking about how wild Things was A
was it was our high school pivotal pivotal movie. We
loved it.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
I loved it.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
It was it was. It was good. We loved it.
You're amazing, Thank you for coming on. We'll just dive
right into it. Girls, do you want to go ahead?
Speaker 5 (10:35):
I just always have felt like you're my like hot
older sister that I always wanted, like you were the
one brave enough to go before me and just do
all the things my little heart thought that they could do.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, well maybe I don't know. There's a little Denise
Richards and us all, don't you think?
Speaker 6 (10:50):
I think so?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Tell us.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Let's start with You've lived so much life as an
actress and as a personality and just in as a celebrity,
and you've done scripted and you've done reality.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
What's your favorite?
Speaker 6 (11:07):
I like both?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Actually, you know it's I think, Well, my heart is
I love acting. I love being on set and the
collaboration and you know, working with everyone and playing different characters,
and I just I just love being on set, and
(11:28):
so I guess I would have to say scripted.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
But I also have enjoyed doing reality too.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
It's in a way it's kind of harder, you know,
being yourself and putting yourself out there and being so
open and vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, I done that really well. I think that's the
piece that would be the hardest thing, because behind a character,
you can kind of hide behind a character but you
are the character exactly reality.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
I would guess that the challenge would be too like
defining the characters around you because they don't have a script,
but they are definitely characters when you're on reality, like
they are such unique personality types.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I think though, the best is to just be yourself
and try to not become a character caricature of yourself.
And I think that sometimes it's hard to do. In
our for our show with my family, one of the
things that I told my girls was just be you.
Just be you, and you know, because I think that
(12:25):
people can also see through that if you're trying to
be something you're not or someone you're not, and it's
so that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Did you actually enjoy being on the Housewives?
Speaker 6 (12:36):
I did most of it. There was parts of it.
I did it, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I think that, you know, my first season, I really
loved it and it was so I was so I
went into it just like this will be fun and
I'm filming moments with you know, my friends and made
and made new friends. And then the second sea and
it was really hard for me to have I just
(13:03):
felt like it gets boring too after you keep talking
about this fighting about the same damn thing over and
over and over, and then also feeling like there's a
group that's coming at you all the time.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
So that was hard for me to navigate because I
wasn't used to that.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I'm the type that can let stuff roll off my
back and we move on from it. And I think
that some of the women had a hard time with
that too, that I didn't let certain things bother me
the way they thought I should. And but you know,
like I said, I wanted to be myself on that show.
I didn't want to, you know, fight if I didn't
(13:43):
feel like it.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Sure, that makes sense. Absolutely. So we all have daughters,
and what is your best advice for raising daughters? But
then also when you get to the adolescence when you
are because we're all going to butt heads with our girls,
So what is some advice you could give us that
you have seen while raising your daughters.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
You will get through it.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
It is there are some difficult years, I feel like
twelve thirteen with moms and daughters. Especially most of the
time it's you know that they do butt heads with
mom and they're trying to find their own independence. But
my advice, like what I would always tell my girls
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from the time they were really little, was to just
always be them. Don't be pressured to do things they
don't want to do or say things they don't want
to say. And you know, and I think that they
are strong girls with strong minds. And my dad would
tell me because sometimes they were a little too strong
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when they.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Were a little younger. He goes, you'll be thankful when
they're older that they are so strong. I know it's
hard now because you know it's coming at you.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
And you know, I was a single mo and balancing.
You know, I didn't have someone to be the bad guy.
I was the bad guy and the good guy, So,
you know, I think there's a lot of challenges, especially
to being a single parent.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Sure it's co parenting.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Was with Charlie a challenge or do you feel like
an overall great experience if you could go thirty thousand
feet or you can go ground level if you want to.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Truthfully, it wasn't co parenting.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, because you had soul custody for a while.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Right had I parent my way, he parents his way,
and there was no co parenting.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Unfortunately, I wish there was, and to this day it's
still pretty well.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Our girls are older, but still, I mean, we're always
going to be their parents. But yeah, I mean I
really I asked him to go to lunch. I ran
into him and said, you know, why don't we go
have lunch and like hang out and talk. I'm friends
with a lot of my exes, but I'm and it's weird.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
I have kids with.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Him, and I'm not really I'm friendly with Charlie, but
I wish we were friends and that we could talk
all the time and be able to be there really
for each other with our girls. But it's just not
the relationship we have. Maybe one day, but I mean
there right now. I mean there's no there's nothing, you know,
(16:27):
there's no discord between he and I, which is great.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, I mean I often think about that because I'm
in a co parenting situation. And at first when we
got divorced, it was like, all right, you know, I
want everyone to get along and we're going to be friends.
And then I realized it was like, I actually don't
want to be friends with you from you cheating on
me a bunch and you know, so I'm like, this
is it's too soon to be friends, And I think
maybe down the line there could be a friendship, but
now it's it's like too fresh, too soon, and I
(16:52):
don't really want to be your friend, you know. And
I think that's okay too.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I was always an advocate of wanting everything to be
great and be friends and blend the family because he
had two boys with his wife after me, and you know,
I because I just I just didn't want the girls
to feel like they had to choose sides. I've always
(17:18):
wanted him to be there for all the birthday parties
and holidays, and I always invited him and sometimes you
would come. And I think it's good for the kids
to see that too. But I also understand where you're
coming from too that you know, everyone has their their
way of doing it.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
I never talked.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Bad about him in front of the kids, and that's
hard to do, to hold your tongue and not say
certain things at times. But and I don't know if
I did a disservice to them with that as well,
because now that they're older, they're discovering things that they
didn't know.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Well.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
That was one of my questions too, because my husband,
my ex husband, you know, he very publicly had a
sex addiction and so one day, our kids are going
to see that aline everywhere. And yeah, we've also talked
about it here because again it was all open and public.
So did you have a conversation with them about things
(18:15):
that happened before they googled?
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Or No?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I did not because the girls weren't and they weren't
ones to google us because they didn't, you know, were
mom and dad and they you know, and obviously you
know their dad.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
He had a lot of public stuff too, and it
is it's hard.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
There were things that I would tell them, you know,
you might hear something at school. If you have any questions,
please come to me, And they weren't.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
They didn't even ask, But what what is it?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
They're like, okay, you know, So I did have to
tell them because this is where I was kind of
upset with Charlie that he didn't warn me when he
came out publicly that he had has HIV. He went
on the Today Show. I knew that he was gonna
eventually because he had to because the tabloids found out,
(19:17):
but I wish he gave me a heads up, like, hey,
I'm doing it today.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
You know, because it was everywhere.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I ended up picking up as soon as I picked
up the girls.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
I think I picked them up early from school that day.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Because I didn't want kids at school if they heard
anything on their phones or you know. So I had
to have a conversation about that, and it was kind
of hard to explain to them what it was. But
that was the only time I can remember. You know,
There's been a few things that I've had to have
conversations with, but for the most part, I really tried
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to shelter them from a lot of stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Do you have a good mom support group? Like who
do you go to advice as a mom? Because I
know it's you know, in these kinds of industries, we're
all in entertainment in some sort and like, yeah, I've
noticed that I stay more guarded recently, you know, like
I can't just maybe spill my heart to a neighbor
like I used.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
To, you know, And so who do you lean into?
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Well, back when.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I was going through a lot of stuff with him,
it was so public, and I actually found myself that
I was kind of guarded because I didn't want to
keep talking about it because I had to talk about
it with lawyers and my publicist, who she was amazing
(20:41):
soundboard for me too, but it was my dad. Actually,
I talked to him a lot because I trusted him.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
I could tell him anything.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
And at that time too, it was hard because there
were so many different stories that I found myself just
kind of isolating myself a lot, which probably wasn't the healthiest,
but I had to just protect myself. And I also
didn't want to always talk about it because it was
(21:12):
just it was a lot. I went through a lot
and it, you know, and I always had talked to
my sister, she was great, and you know, just different friends.
Friends that weren't parents I talked to and friends that were.
But for the most part when it was really really bad,
I kind of I wanted to pretend like everything was okay.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
You know it, Well, it's probably refreshing. You just talk
about recipes once in a while.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I'm like, you know, okay again, yeah right, and that
feels fair to me.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
Yeah, okay. So let's talk about your girls. How the
older too, Lola and Sammy Sammy? Right, yeah, how old
are they and how close an age are they?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
They're fifteen months apart and Sammy just turned twenty one
and Lola's nineteen.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
She'll be twenty in May. I'm sorry. June always is May,
gotcha May and June.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
So obviously on the show, a lot of it shows
the disagreements between those two and what they've been going through.
So how as a mom a do you step in
and try and help them through that? And I know
it kind of shows in the show you kind of
facilitating a little bit, But do you actually step in
or do you just kind of let them just doke
it out on their own?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
When that's like little bickering back and forth. I just
have to like because they'll like have like silly sisterly
bickering and then they'll go shopping together or to the beach.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Or something and they get over it.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
But when before we were doing the show, it had
been this was the longest like fight they had been in.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
It was probably six months.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
That was so hard for me as a mom, and
I would I did step in and I would try,
and you know, they would just tell me to stay
at it. But as time was going on, it was
hard for me to see.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
You know, I thought, wow, this is this is a
bad one.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
But they're in a much better place now, and I
you know, I'm my sister and I are eighteen months apart.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
So I told them, you guys are going to have quite.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
A few of these and then as you get older,
you guys will be really good friends and you may
have disagreements along the way, but you'll find the way back.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
I love how the show showed there what seemed to
be very different personalities. Yes, I mean, they couldn't seem
more different. And I love how the show really showed
that and showed like the heart of both of those girls.
And I don't feel like it showed one side or
the other as right or wrong, just really kind of
(24:01):
dove into the feelings they were both having around a situation.
I thought that was really I think that was handled
really well.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Thank you so much. They they've been different from the
day they were.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Born, That's what I was going to ask.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
I was like, because it just seems like like I
have two daughters, but they're like five years apart, So
I don't you know, they don't really have those kinds
of arguments, you know. I mean it's little stuff, but like,
none of my kids have such different personalities like that,
Like I find that very fascinating. They just seem like
just so polar opposites.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
All they really are. My sister and I are polar opposites.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Really. Yeah, no, they're very different, but they're also I
told them, you guys have a lot of similarities, more
than you think.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
They're both very compassionate, they're both very loyal. They're real
good girls. They can laugh a lot and joke around
about things. They share a lot of the same friends,
so they are more similar than they than they think
they are. And you know, I love watching them have
(25:02):
fun together because they are so different and they look
very different from each other too.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Yeah, it has it been a little like even know
if the word vindicating is even applicable here, because I
feel like you've had such a great housewife experience.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
But has it been fun and.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Maybe more authentic feeling to be in the driver's seat
when you're doing the show with your girls instead of
it being about this you know, cast of a million
other personalities, like you're dealing with your own, you know,
God made.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Little cast of character. Has that been fun and interesting?
Speaker 6 (25:37):
It's it was, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
So Alex Baskin approached me to do the family show.
That's who he does the Housewives too, and and you know,
and I asked the girls that they wanted to. I
wanted to make sure everyone was obviously on board and
really invested in it because it's a big commitment and
so it The challenging part for this was also I'm
(26:02):
an executive producer, so I'm mom and I'm a producer
on it, and they at times were that was a
hard thing for them with you know, I am one that,
like unscripted, you can't be late to work. You you know,
time is money and it cost people money to you
(26:22):
have to show up when you're sick.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
No one's there to replace me.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
So I've had to be on set not feeling well
and sick or have a bad day.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
I still go to work.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And I remember filing for divorce from their dad, driving
to UH. I was six months pregnant and going to
a table reading. Didn't tell anyone at the table reading
and just thought, well, the ship will hit the fan
when it does, and I'll just have to keep voice.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
But my girls are like, Mom, that's.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
You, because that was There were some times where they
didn't feel like filming that day and I'm like, too bad,
you have to show up, and they really like, well,
I just want my mom. I don't want, you know,
my producer mom or my boss, And I said, as
your mom, I would tell you.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
My mom would have told me get your butt to work.
You know, That's how I was raised.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
So I think that was the challenge for me with
the show, and for the girls too, is that they
kind of wanted it both ways. They wanted mom when it,
but then they also wanted the producer mom, like can
you switch the schedule for this or do that? And
you know, but I understand that that's natural and normal.
(27:35):
I guess, you know, I get it, but uh and
at times I thought, Wow, it's easier fighting with all
those women at the.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
And then arguing with my daughters.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
These chicks.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Anyway, I like, next season we could casts new kids.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
You're off the show.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Can we talk about only fans for a second, because
I remember hearing about how much y'all made on OnlyFans
and I was like, let me see, yeah, because I'm like,
you know, I provide for my whole family, and I
pay an ex husband child support, and so I'm like,
you know, always trying to find ways of making money,
but I can. I couldn't sign on obviously, because you
(28:17):
have to sign up for it, and so I was like, oh,
I don't want to sign up because then it's like,
you know, I didn't know what it really is.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
So I didn't either when I heard about it.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Okay, so how what was your like, Yes, I'm doing this,
I know your your daughter was signed up before you did.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Is that she signed up for?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
So she told me she was gonna sign up for it.
I did not know what it was, and like you,
I tried to go on. I'm like, what the hell
is this thing?
Speaker 6 (28:41):
You know? I would have.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
To join it, and then I obviously googled about it,
and so I asked her.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
I said to her, I said, look.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I will support whatever you do in life, but I
want you to really think twice about doing this. And
you know, you're so young, you're starting out your career.
There is a certain perception that will go with this,
and you know, I just want you to make sure
that this is something you want to do. And she
(29:12):
told me, she said, Mom, I'm not going to do
topless or anything like that. I just want to do, like,
you know, sexier stuff. But so I supported her decision,
and then she did get a lot of backlash, and
as her mom and then also as a woman in
this business who's been perceived, as you know earlier in
(29:37):
my career, is a sex symbol and doing you know,
I did Playboy and after a Wild Things.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
You guys saw the movie, so you can imagine.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
People saying stuff to me or coming up to me
or thinking I'm that character. And I kind of just
was like, you know, this is not right. And so
I posted something on my on Instagram and I just
made a comment like, you know, maybe I should, maybe
I'll do this, and I was joking around and then
the comments were like you should, and then I thought,
(30:04):
you know what, I am going to sign up for this.
I can control all the There were conversations I did
have with the only fans the company.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
I talked to them. They actually reached out to me
after they saw my post.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
And it's also empowering because you own all your content.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
You control what you put out.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
There, and it's something and yes, you make money on
it too. It's so it's something that i've you know,
I know, people have mixed opinions about it towards me.
They think it's probably you know what.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
It's kind of.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Weird because my daughter I never saw her page. She
doesn't never saw mine either, but that's mainly I was more.
It was more about being pissed off that she's did
get the backlash that I thought she probably would have gotten.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I feel like it's almost one of those things, like
you all know when they promote those vibrators. I obviously
probably won't do it again, but when I have in
the past, it's more of like a female empowerment, like Okay,
I'm gonna love myself and this is it's okay to
have self love. And if you want to post photos
and you feel beautiful whatever and get paid, sure, sign
me up.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
You know.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
I just can't imagine being the only fans person that
knows they landed Denise Richards. I mean, that person is
probably like, this is the score of a lifetime. I mean,
imagine how they feel when they get the call from
you and they're like, are you I mean you would?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I mean this person is like VP of the company.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
There's nothing wrong with as a woman being sexy, even
if you're a mom.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
And that's why I did Playboy. I did Playboy when
Sammy was five months old.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Because I thought it's okay, you don't have to, you know,
diminish your sexuality. Once you become a parent, and even
as you get older. You know, I'm older, I'm not
obviously twenty years old, and I'm it's empowering for me
to also still own my sexuality and be sexy if
I want to.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, I think that's an interesting piece because I had
gotten a I got a lot of hate when I
got my boobs done, or like, you're just flawning your boobs.
I'm like, well, I felt sexy and I liked it.
I was single and I just was recently divorced and
I wanted to feel that way and it made me
feel good. And then but now I recently got a
DM being like, oh, you've been covering up more. It's
so nice to see, and it's like, but I'm also like,
(32:19):
who cares if I do want to show it sometimes?
Or I'm a woman and if I want to, why
can't another woman just say to another woman you look
beautiful and not just be like you're a slut because
you're showing your boobs.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
Most of those people are jealous.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I'd agree, Yeah, I'd agree.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
And I think it's also important to remember everyone's comfort
levels are different, Like I might not be comfortable showing
my boobs and you may, but I can be like
more power to you, you know, and like that's where
people are missing. Just because you wouldn't do it doesn't
mean that it's wrong and I think or that it does.
It doesn't work for you, fine, but it works for you.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Am I that?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Or we're bad bombs because we're showing our boobies or yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
I've been going through old photos right now, and I
have to tell you, Denise, if I look like you,
I'd be doing the zoom naked.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Please.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
I mean, honestly, I mean, you've just always been stunning,
and you've been this.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
You have been the freedom.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Like the reason why things mattered in a lot of
ways was even beyond like the actual scene to scene.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
It was just more that it was like, Yeah, the
first time I saw women actually owning sexuality in that
age when we were in high school. I think that's
why it was pivotal in that moment, Souse, I'm like, oh,
are we allowed to be sexy like that?
Speaker 6 (33:30):
Yeah? So there was you know, scenes with two girls
in it.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, you know, I'd never seen before.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Now was something that wasn't you know, I can't remember
like which movies have had that in there, and I
think it was, you know, around that time, was one
of the first so and it was showing that it's
okay to explore your sexuality, it's okay to.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
To own it too.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
And it's interesting when you said that after your divorce,
because I think before my divorce and before I got
all this you know crap and the tabloids, I was
always such a people pleaser and wanted to do everything
right and wanted to say the right things and be
careful what I said in interviews, and going through all
(34:19):
that shit actually was such a blessing because.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
It made me just think, I am going to be me.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
People have said so much stuff about me, a lot
of stuff not true, some stuff true, and I might
as well just own who I am and not care
what people think about me. And I think that that's
something that came from my divorce part of it, because
I went through so much stuff and the damnloids.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
To wrap up, what would you think is what is
one of the untrue things that people should know about you?
Speaker 6 (34:50):
Oh my gosh, I've had so many.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I mean, I can't I can't even think of just one.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Let me think were the most, like miss understood you know,
clear clear something up that you're like, you know what
this is? Or just watch the show and then they'll know.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
Yeah, watch the show.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Unless there's something you want to ask me and I
can say if it's true or not.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I don't follow.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
I really don't, you know what.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I don't regret it. I am so grateful for Charlie.
He gave me two beautiful girls. Without him, I wouldn't
have them.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
That's right, exactly. Well, Denise, thank you so much for
coming on the show. Thank you amazing and.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
You all are a lot of us.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Thank you. You hang out with us anytime you Inshville.
Let us know. Yeah, if you are in Nashville, come
hang out.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
I thought about moving there. Actually, oh well, let's.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Go join everybody there you go.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Bands, Denise, Oh god, thanks Denise, thank you.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Bye.
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Our super special bonus guests this week is none other
than Denise Richards. And I mean, guys, do you remember
watching Wild Things growing up? Denise Richards is iconic, especially
in our Yes group our age.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I don't really remember really.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Oh man, I was all in which like crazy and
this is so I auditioned for like wild Things. It
would have been like four at this point. It was
one of my very first auditions. It's actually quite funny,
but not to like look this, but I just had to,
like because I would never talk about this any other place.
(00:46):
But I was so excited because like wild Things was
such a big movie in our era and high school,
and so it was the it was like wild Things
four or something crazy like that. And I remember my
agent at times she was like it calls for showing
your boobs, and so I was like, okay, yeah, I'll
do it, like I'm totally doing it, and she's like,
(01:08):
I really want you to think about this, like I
got casted in it, like it was a full on
cast I got. I did the audition, hired and she's like,
you know, it's frontal boobs. It was just that point.
It was just like a flash of boobs and I'm like,
I'm going to do it, and she goes, I need
you to remember that this will be and this was
back in the day. I mean, this was before give
(01:29):
us a year. Okay, when was I on Friday night
Lights that would have been. This was I mean before
One Tree Hill, so I mean before social media. But
still she's like, this will be on the internet. The
internet was obviously around, so she's like, this is something
that will be on the internet and you won't be
able to erase this. I'm like, I know, but I
need the money. And it's like I'd just done Gray's Anatomy,
(01:52):
just little roles here, and I would be like red
in the bank account, you know, just fighting my way
to try to like get to a zero balance on
my on my card or my bank statement. And I
was like, I want to do it. I want to
do it. I'm like I'm going to do it, like
accept it, say yes for me, and she was just like,
I really just need you to take a night to
think about it, and so she just kept telling me
(02:14):
to say no. So I ended up turning down the
roll in A day later, I booked Frida night Lights
and she was like, I told.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
You, and I was like, oh my god. I almost
totally went titty lesson.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I was like, I must just show my ted sun friggin'
And I've always thought about that because it would have
changed a lot, I think for me in general, just
with everything.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
I mean, it is a pivotal moment when an actress
decides to show parts of her body. I think because
it especially for Wild Things four or whatever.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
It was, you know what I mean. It was like.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
If it was like Swordfish and I'm you know, Holly
Berry or whatever that movie was. You know, when she's
showing her it's a little bit different. That's where I'm
now I would pick where I choose media. It's like
is a going to move the needle? Is it going
to be? But I was just so desperate for a
work and be money, and you're also young. Yeah, I
mean so I thought, you know, Wild Things, why not?
(03:10):
It changed these Richard's career? Why not Wild Things? For
Why Things again? Show some boobs and there you go.
I mean, I too could have an only fans account
right now? I have fan Could you do only fans?
I mean, if it made me money. At this point,
(03:30):
she makes two million dollars a month. You know, people
like put her or her daughter Denise Richard's okay, so
I think her million dollar daughter makes a lot too.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Yeah yeah, but I'm not Denise Richards. I don't know
that I'm pulling it in right.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But if you could make let's just say, if you
could make two million dollars a year on only fans,
would you do it?
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Well?
Speaker 5 (03:49):
It depends what I'm showing, because some people show their
big toe and bank you know, there's some creeps out there.
I mean, if it's my big toe and these little
polish fe can be like my way to like financial freedom,
let's do it right, Yes, bear your soul see what
I did.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
But it just I mean how because I always think
there's always a price for everything. People say, yeah, oh,
I'm never gonna do that.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Sure, there's always price.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, but for how much? Would you?
Speaker 6 (04:17):
You know?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yep? And everybody's price is different. One person, you know, Alan,
if I said eat this piece of cheese, someone would
eat it for free, you know. Yeah, So I just
am curious and my question to you while we wait
for the lovely Denise Richards to come on the show,
what would you do and how much for I.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Would say, also the state of these moops if I
didn't have kids and somebody wanted to pay me to
see them and be like, yeah, girls, it's hard time
to shine. Just kidding, I have children. I won't show
any nudity.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
But I have a.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Question though I've never been on OnlyFans, so I don't
even know what I don't either.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I don't either.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It is like, what's the difference is it? Is it
a porn site?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I think you can get scanned list, But then there
are people that just go kind of specifically for their
own little fetishes.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
I have no idea, like I just assume it's something
where people go for just fetishes. Like so, either I've
only heard of feet, and then I get a.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Lot of Wiki feet things like they say, wait, like
when I post and I don't mean to, but if
I'm like the pool, they're like, oh your feet five
stars on Wiki feet or whatever, it's Wiki feet. I
don't know. I guess it's like a I don't who
knows there's a Wiki feet Maybe not, but that's what
they say. I'm there, But I'm like, I've thought I've
often so I was a little curious, so I went on,
(05:36):
but you can't. You have to sign up for her.
So I wanted to get like a snippet of what
it was. So I'm like, listen, I'm not against seeing
what it's like.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Maybe she can tell us.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Do you think we can ask her? So she's says,
you fully watched her show?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah, they're there. Yeah, we can definitely ask her.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Would you do OnlyFans and for how much?
Speaker 7 (05:55):
Well, I don't know how much, but it would it
would take a lot. A I hate feet, so I
don't even know that I could do the thing.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Hands.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I mean, your hands are pretty hot, yet.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
I could do hands.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
You would do hands for a lot?
Speaker 7 (06:06):
Like they just like a little bit of money, so
different just don't I don't want to know what they're
doing with just tried it on in their brain.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
She was like, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
I think hands would be the only thing because feet
literally weired me out. Interesting if I hate feet, so no,
and no, and then I could double again that's a no.
I mean again, everything has a price, for sure. I
don't know what it would take to get me naked baked.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
You we were talking about boots.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
I just said, I wouldn't do it if it was
just a feet thing. I could read a book to
someone and that turns them on.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Made me.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
You said show, I mean they do?
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Don't They do? They do? Because that's what.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Does she doesn't. I'm pretty sure I mean wild things.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
So what I'm saying, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
We need to ask, so I can't say that she's
showing some Yeah, let's.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Follow Jamna and Holy fans at Kramer. Wild things for God,
you just create. I just remember a teacher got in
trouble for only fans. That's the only way I even
know about it. She was a teacher and she would
dress a little sexy and she did this only fans.
But it's how she paid her bills because teaching wasn't lucrative,
and some a parent found it because a parent that's awful.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Stop yes, like a dad a dad? Oh no? But
then how does that conversation got what I'm saying that
his wife and says, let me jay, And then she said,
why the hell are you an Holy fan?
Speaker 7 (07:41):
Let me let me clarify. Okay, So I don't sound
like I don't know what I'm talking about. Don't talking
about she shares explicit content on her OnlyFans account, including
bikini and lingerie photos, as well as some topless images.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Get it, Denise at fifty four? Isn't she fifty four? Okay?
I just googled is OnlyFans porn site, and Wikipedia says
fans is Only Fans is an internet content subscription service
based in London. Interesting. The service is popular with sex
workers who produce pornography.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
So back to the naked part.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
I'm just wondering if we can edit this down and
take out the part where I said I would do.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I thought we knew that. That's why I was didn't
know that.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I really just thought it was like because by subscription only,
content creators can share nude photos of themselves, live stream
porn pornographic videos, and even virtually interact.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
All right, I'm going to go back. No, I wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Money, answered cat and hand.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Hey, guys, so I was misinformed. In my feet are
going to stay in my sock? What if it was
just the feet though?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
No, just she's like, let's look at this.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I gotta pay my ex husband somehow. And I'm saying
a little, you know, totally rad mo. Yeah, okay, I'm
gonna stop reading because it does not sound super safe.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Yeah, and now your account has been flagged. Yeah, oh game,
but listen.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's a lot of money. Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Well, and I think she's established herself in a field
where that feels less overwhelming to her. Sure, so she
might as well share for profit.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
Well, I also think, you know, keep in mind, her
daughter signed up first and started making a lot of money.
So that's the daughter twenty something. I need to And
I was going to ask her the age difference in
her daughter's because that's an interesting dynamic. But she did
it first. I think Denise got a lot of pushback
(09:48):
and the fact that her daughter was on it, but
then saw how lucrative it was, and she was like,
oh what am I doing?
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
That's how I understood it.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
So well, let's take a break and get it on.
You were born hot. Look at you.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Oh stop, that's true.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
We were just talking about how wild Things was A
was it was our high school pivotal pivotal movie. We
loved it.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
I loved it.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
It was it was. It was good. We loved it.
You're amazing, Thank you for coming on. We'll just dive
right into it. Girls, do you want to go ahead?
Speaker 5 (10:35):
I just always have felt like you're my like hot
older sister that I always wanted, like you were the
one brave enough to go before me and just do
all the things my little heart thought that they could do.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, well maybe I don't know. There's a little Denise
Richards and us all, don't you think?
Speaker 6 (10:50):
I think so?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Tell us.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Let's start with You've lived so much life as an
actress and as a personality and just in as a celebrity,
and you've done scripted and you've done reality.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
What's your favorite?
Speaker 6 (11:07):
I like both?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Actually, you know it's I think, Well, my heart is
I love acting. I love being on set and the
collaboration and you know, working with everyone and playing different characters,
and I just I just love being on set, and
(11:28):
so I guess I would have to say scripted.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
But I also have enjoyed doing reality too.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
It's in a way it's kind of harder, you know,
being yourself and putting yourself out there and being so
open and vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, I done that really well. I think that's the
piece that would be the hardest thing, because behind a character,
you can kind of hide behind a character but you
are the character exactly reality.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
I would guess that the challenge would be too like
defining the characters around you because they don't have a script,
but they are definitely characters when you're on reality, like
they are such unique personality types.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I think though, the best is to just be yourself
and try to not become a character caricature of yourself.
And I think that sometimes it's hard to do. In
our for our show with my family, one of the
things that I told my girls was just be you.
Just be you, and you know, because I think that
(12:25):
people can also see through that if you're trying to
be something you're not or someone you're not, and it's
so that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Did you actually enjoy being on the Housewives?
Speaker 6 (12:36):
I did most of it. There was parts of it.
I did it, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I think that, you know, my first season, I really
loved it and it was so I was so I
went into it just like this will be fun and
I'm filming moments with you know, my friends and made
and made new friends. And then the second sea and
it was really hard for me to have I just
(13:03):
felt like it gets boring too after you keep talking
about this fighting about the same damn thing over and
over and over, and then also feeling like there's a
group that's coming at you all the time.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
So that was hard for me to navigate because I
wasn't used to that.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I'm the type that can let stuff roll off my
back and we move on from it. And I think
that some of the women had a hard time with
that too, that I didn't let certain things bother me
the way they thought I should. And but you know,
like I said, I wanted to be myself on that show.
I didn't want to, you know, fight if I didn't
(13:43):
feel like it.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Sure, that makes sense. Absolutely. So we all have daughters,
and what is your best advice for raising daughters? But
then also when you get to the adolescence when you
are because we're all going to butt heads with our girls,
So what is some advice you could give us that
you have seen while raising your daughters.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
You will get through it.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
It is there are some difficult years, I feel like
twelve thirteen with moms and daughters. Especially most of the
time it's you know that they do butt heads with
mom and they're trying to find their own independence. But
my advice, like what I would always tell my girls
(14:27):
from the time they were really little, was to just
always be them. Don't be pressured to do things they
don't want to do or say things they don't want
to say. And you know, and I think that they
are strong girls with strong minds. And my dad would
tell me because sometimes they were a little too strong
(14:48):
when they.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Were a little younger. He goes, you'll be thankful when
they're older that they are so strong. I know it's
hard now because you know it's coming at you.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
And you know, I was a single mo and balancing.
You know, I didn't have someone to be the bad guy.
I was the bad guy and the good guy, So,
you know, I think there's a lot of challenges, especially
to being a single parent.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Sure it's co parenting.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Was with Charlie a challenge or do you feel like
an overall great experience if you could go thirty thousand
feet or you can go ground level if you want to.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Truthfully, it wasn't co parenting.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, because you had soul custody for a while.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Right had I parent my way, he parents his way,
and there was no co parenting.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Unfortunately, I wish there was, and to this day it's
still pretty well.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Our girls are older, but still, I mean, we're always
going to be their parents. But yeah, I mean I
really I asked him to go to lunch. I ran
into him and said, you know, why don't we go
have lunch and like hang out and talk. I'm friends
with a lot of my exes, but I'm and it's weird.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
I have kids with.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Him, and I'm not really I'm friendly with Charlie, but
I wish we were friends and that we could talk
all the time and be able to be there really
for each other with our girls. But it's just not
the relationship we have. Maybe one day, but I mean
there right now. I mean there's no there's nothing, you know,
(16:27):
there's no discord between he and I, which is great.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, I mean I often think about that because I'm
in a co parenting situation. And at first when we
got divorced, it was like, all right, you know, I
want everyone to get along and we're going to be friends.
And then I realized it was like, I actually don't
want to be friends with you from you cheating on
me a bunch and you know, so I'm like, this
is it's too soon to be friends, And I think
maybe down the line there could be a friendship, but
now it's it's like too fresh, too soon, and I
(16:52):
don't really want to be your friend, you know. And
I think that's okay too.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I was always an advocate of wanting everything to be
great and be friends and blend the family because he
had two boys with his wife after me, and you know,
I because I just I just didn't want the girls
to feel like they had to choose sides. I've always
(17:18):
wanted him to be there for all the birthday parties
and holidays, and I always invited him and sometimes you
would come. And I think it's good for the kids
to see that too. But I also understand where you're
coming from too that you know, everyone has their their
way of doing it.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
I never talked.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Bad about him in front of the kids, and that's
hard to do, to hold your tongue and not say
certain things at times. But and I don't know if
I did a disservice to them with that as well,
because now that they're older, they're discovering things that they
didn't know.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Well.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
That was one of my questions too, because my husband,
my ex husband, you know, he very publicly had a
sex addiction and so one day, our kids are going
to see that aline everywhere. And yeah, we've also talked
about it here because again it was all open and public.
So did you have a conversation with them about things
(18:15):
that happened before they googled?
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Or No?
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I did not because the girls weren't and they weren't
ones to google us because they didn't, you know, were
mom and dad and they you know, and obviously you
know their dad.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
He had a lot of public stuff too, and it
is it's hard.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
There were things that I would tell them, you know,
you might hear something at school. If you have any questions,
please come to me, And they weren't.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
They didn't even ask, But what what is it?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
They're like, okay, you know, So I did have to
tell them because this is where I was kind of
upset with Charlie that he didn't warn me when he
came out publicly that he had has HIV. He went
on the Today Show. I knew that he was gonna
eventually because he had to because the tabloids found out,
(19:17):
but I wish he gave me a heads up, like, hey,
I'm doing it today.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
You know, because it was everywhere.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I ended up picking up as soon as I picked
up the girls.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
I think I picked them up early from school that day.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Because I didn't want kids at school if they heard
anything on their phones or you know. So I had
to have a conversation about that, and it was kind
of hard to explain to them what it was. But
that was the only time I can remember. You know,
There's been a few things that I've had to have
conversations with, but for the most part, I really tried
(19:53):
to shelter them from a lot of stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Do you have a good mom support group? Like who
do you go to advice as a mom? Because I
know it's you know, in these kinds of industries, we're
all in entertainment in some sort and like, yeah, I've
noticed that I stay more guarded recently, you know, like
I can't just maybe spill my heart to a neighbor
like I used.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
To, you know, And so who do you lean into?
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Well, back when.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I was going through a lot of stuff with him,
it was so public, and I actually found myself that
I was kind of guarded because I didn't want to
keep talking about it because I had to talk about
it with lawyers and my publicist, who she was amazing
(20:41):
soundboard for me too, but it was my dad. Actually,
I talked to him a lot because I trusted him.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
I could tell him anything.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
And at that time too, it was hard because there
were so many different stories that I found myself just
kind of isolating myself a lot, which probably wasn't the healthiest,
but I had to just protect myself. And I also
didn't want to always talk about it because it was
(21:12):
just it was a lot. I went through a lot
and it, you know, and I always had talked to
my sister, she was great, and you know, just different friends.
Friends that weren't parents I talked to and friends that were.
But for the most part when it was really really bad,
I kind of I wanted to pretend like everything was okay.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
You know it, Well, it's probably refreshing. You just talk
about recipes once in a while.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I'm like, you know, okay again, yeah right, and that
feels fair to me.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
Yeah, okay. So let's talk about your girls. How the
older too, Lola and Sammy Sammy? Right, yeah, how old
are they and how close an age are they?
Speaker 1 (21:52):
They're fifteen months apart and Sammy just turned twenty one
and Lola's nineteen.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
She'll be twenty in May. I'm sorry. June always is May,
gotcha May and June.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
So obviously on the show, a lot of it shows
the disagreements between those two and what they've been going through.
So how as a mom a do you step in
and try and help them through that? And I know
it kind of shows in the show you kind of
facilitating a little bit, But do you actually step in
or do you just kind of let them just doke
it out on their own?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
When that's like little bickering back and forth. I just
have to like because they'll like have like silly sisterly
bickering and then they'll go shopping together or to the beach.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Or something and they get over it.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
But when before we were doing the show, it had
been this was the longest like fight they had been in.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
It was probably six months.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
That was so hard for me as a mom, and
I would I did step in and I would try,
and you know, they would just tell me to stay
at it. But as time was going on, it was
hard for me to see.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
You know, I thought, wow, this is this is a
bad one.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
But they're in a much better place now, and I
you know, I'm my sister and I are eighteen months apart.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
So I told them, you guys are going to have quite.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
A few of these and then as you get older,
you guys will be really good friends and you may
have disagreements along the way, but you'll find the way back.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
I love how the show showed there what seemed to
be very different personalities. Yes, I mean, they couldn't seem
more different. And I love how the show really showed
that and showed like the heart of both of those girls.
And I don't feel like it showed one side or
the other as right or wrong, just really kind of
(24:01):
dove into the feelings they were both having around a situation.
I thought that was really I think that was handled
really well.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Thank you so much. They they've been different from the
day they were.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Born, That's what I was going to ask.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
I was like, because it just seems like like I
have two daughters, but they're like five years apart, So
I don't you know, they don't really have those kinds
of arguments, you know. I mean it's little stuff, but like,
none of my kids have such different personalities like that,
Like I find that very fascinating. They just seem like
just so polar opposites.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
All they really are. My sister and I are polar opposites.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Really. Yeah, no, they're very different, but they're also I
told them, you guys have a lot of similarities, more
than you think.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
They're both very compassionate, they're both very loyal. They're real
good girls. They can laugh a lot and joke around
about things. They share a lot of the same friends,
so they are more similar than they than they think
they are. And you know, I love watching them have
(25:02):
fun together because they are so different and they look
very different from each other too.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Yeah, it has it been a little like even know
if the word vindicating is even applicable here, because I
feel like you've had such a great housewife experience.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
But has it been fun and.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Maybe more authentic feeling to be in the driver's seat
when you're doing the show with your girls instead of
it being about this you know, cast of a million
other personalities, like you're dealing with your own, you know,
God made.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Little cast of character. Has that been fun and interesting?
Speaker 6 (25:37):
It's it was, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
So Alex Baskin approached me to do the family show.
That's who he does the Housewives too, and and you know,
and I asked the girls that they wanted to. I
wanted to make sure everyone was obviously on board and
really invested in it because it's a big commitment and
so it The challenging part for this was also I'm
(26:02):
an executive producer, so I'm mom and I'm a producer
on it, and they at times were that was a
hard thing for them with you know, I am one that,
like unscripted, you can't be late to work. You you know,
time is money and it cost people money to you
(26:22):
have to show up when you're sick.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
No one's there to replace me.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
So I've had to be on set not feeling well
and sick or have a bad day.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
I still go to work.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And I remember filing for divorce from their dad, driving
to UH. I was six months pregnant and going to
a table reading. Didn't tell anyone at the table reading
and just thought, well, the ship will hit the fan
when it does, and I'll just have to keep voice.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
But my girls are like, Mom, that's.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
You, because that was There were some times where they
didn't feel like filming that day and I'm like, too bad,
you have to show up, and they really like, well,
I just want my mom. I don't want, you know,
my producer mom or my boss, And I said, as
your mom, I would tell you.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
My mom would have told me get your butt to work.
You know, That's how I was raised.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
So I think that was the challenge for me with
the show, and for the girls too, is that they
kind of wanted it both ways. They wanted mom when it,
but then they also wanted the producer mom, like can
you switch the schedule for this or do that? And
you know, but I understand that that's natural and normal.
(27:35):
I guess, you know, I get it, but uh and
at times I thought, Wow, it's easier fighting with all
those women at the.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
And then arguing with my daughters.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
These chicks.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Anyway, I like, next season we could casts new kids.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
You're off the show.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Can we talk about only fans for a second, because
I remember hearing about how much y'all made on OnlyFans
and I was like, let me see, yeah, because I'm like,
you know, I provide for my whole family, and I
pay an ex husband child support, and so I'm like,
you know, always trying to find ways of making money,
but I can. I couldn't sign on obviously, because you
(28:17):
have to sign up for it, and so I was like, oh,
I don't want to sign up because then it's like,
you know, I didn't know what it really is.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
So I didn't either when I heard about it.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Okay, so how what was your like, Yes, I'm doing this,
I know your your daughter was signed up before you did.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Is that she signed up for?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
So she told me she was gonna sign up for it.
I did not know what it was, and like you,
I tried to go on. I'm like, what the hell
is this thing?
Speaker 6 (28:41):
You know? I would have.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
To join it, and then I obviously googled about it,
and so I asked her.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
I said to her, I said, look.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
I will support whatever you do in life, but I
want you to really think twice about doing this. And
you know, you're so young, you're starting out your career.
There is a certain perception that will go with this,
and you know, I just want you to make sure
that this is something you want to do. And she
(29:12):
told me, she said, Mom, I'm not going to do
topless or anything like that. I just want to do, like,
you know, sexier stuff. But so I supported her decision,
and then she did get a lot of backlash, and
as her mom and then also as a woman in
this business who's been perceived, as you know earlier in
(29:37):
my career, is a sex symbol and doing you know,
I did Playboy and after a Wild Things.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
You guys saw the movie, so you can imagine.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
People saying stuff to me or coming up to me
or thinking I'm that character. And I kind of just
was like, you know, this is not right. And so
I posted something on my on Instagram and I just
made a comment like, you know, maybe I should, maybe
I'll do this, and I was joking around and then
the comments were like you should, and then I thought,
(30:04):
you know what, I am going to sign up for this.
I can control all the There were conversations I did
have with the only fans the company.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
I talked to them. They actually reached out to me
after they saw my post.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
And it's also empowering because you own all your content.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
You control what you put out.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
There, and it's something and yes, you make money on
it too. It's so it's something that i've you know,
I know, people have mixed opinions about it towards me.
They think it's probably you know what.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
It's kind of.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Weird because my daughter I never saw her page. She
doesn't never saw mine either, but that's mainly I was more.
It was more about being pissed off that she's did
get the backlash that I thought she probably would have gotten.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I feel like it's almost one of those things, like
you all know when they promote those vibrators. I obviously
probably won't do it again, but when I have in
the past, it's more of like a female empowerment, like Okay,
I'm gonna love myself and this is it's okay to
have self love. And if you want to post photos
and you feel beautiful whatever and get paid, sure, sign
me up.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
You know.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
I just can't imagine being the only fans person that
knows they landed Denise Richards. I mean, that person is
probably like, this is the score of a lifetime. I mean,
imagine how they feel when they get the call from
you and they're like, are you I mean you would?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I mean this person is like VP of the company.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
There's nothing wrong with as a woman being sexy, even
if you're a mom.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
And that's why I did Playboy. I did Playboy when
Sammy was five months old.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Because I thought it's okay, you don't have to, you know,
diminish your sexuality. Once you become a parent, and even
as you get older. You know, I'm older, I'm not
obviously twenty years old, and I'm it's empowering for me
to also still own my sexuality and be sexy if
I want to.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, I think that's an interesting piece because I had
gotten a I got a lot of hate when I
got my boobs done, or like, you're just flawning your boobs.
I'm like, well, I felt sexy and I liked it.
I was single and I just was recently divorced and
I wanted to feel that way and it made me
feel good. And then but now I recently got a
DM being like, oh, you've been covering up more. It's
so nice to see, and it's like, but I'm also like,
(32:19):
who cares if I do want to show it sometimes?
Or I'm a woman and if I want to, why
can't another woman just say to another woman you look
beautiful and not just be like you're a slut because
you're showing your boobs.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
Most of those people are jealous.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I'd agree, Yeah, I'd agree.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
And I think it's also important to remember everyone's comfort
levels are different, Like I might not be comfortable showing
my boobs and you may, but I can be like
more power to you, you know, and like that's where
people are missing. Just because you wouldn't do it doesn't
mean that it's wrong and I think or that it does.
It doesn't work for you, fine, but it works for you.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Am I that?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Or we're bad bombs because we're showing our boobies or yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
I've been going through old photos right now, and I
have to tell you, Denise, if I look like you,
I'd be doing the zoom naked.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Please.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
I mean, honestly, I mean, you've just always been stunning,
and you've been this.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
You have been the freedom.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
Like the reason why things mattered in a lot of
ways was even beyond like the actual scene to scene.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
It was just more that it was like, Yeah, the
first time I saw women actually owning sexuality in that
age when we were in high school. I think that's
why it was pivotal in that moment, Souse, I'm like, oh,
are we allowed to be sexy like that?
Speaker 6 (33:30):
Yeah? So there was you know, scenes with two girls
in it.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, you know, I'd never seen before.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Now was something that wasn't you know, I can't remember
like which movies have had that in there, and I
think it was, you know, around that time, was one
of the first so and it was showing that it's
okay to explore your sexuality, it's okay to.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
To own it too.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
And it's interesting when you said that after your divorce,
because I think before my divorce and before I got
all this you know crap and the tabloids, I was
always such a people pleaser and wanted to do everything
right and wanted to say the right things and be
careful what I said in interviews, and going through all
(34:19):
that shit actually was such a blessing because.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
It made me just think, I am going to be me.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
People have said so much stuff about me, a lot
of stuff not true, some stuff true, and I might
as well just own who I am and not care
what people think about me. And I think that that's
something that came from my divorce part of it, because
I went through so much stuff and the damnloids.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
To wrap up, what would you think is what is
one of the untrue things that people should know about you?
Speaker 6 (34:50):
Oh my gosh, I've had so many.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I mean, I can't I can't even think of just one.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Let me think were the most, like miss understood you know,
clear clear something up that you're like, you know what
this is? Or just watch the show and then they'll know.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
Yeah, watch the show.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Unless there's something you want to ask me and I
can say if it's true or not.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I don't follow.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
I really don't, you know what.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I don't regret it. I am so grateful for Charlie.
He gave me two beautiful girls. Without him, I wouldn't
have them.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
That's right, exactly. Well, Denise, thank you so much for
coming on the show. Thank you amazing and.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
You all are a lot of us.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Thank you. You hang out with us anytime you Inshville.
Let us know. Yeah, if you are in Nashville, come
hang out.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
I thought about moving there. Actually, oh well, let's.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Go join everybody there you go.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Bands, Denise, Oh god, thanks Denise, thank you.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Bye.
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