September 1, 2025 • 38 mins
How do you deal with family drama?? Kathryn is unsure about telling her son about the tension she has with her brothers and mom, which led to distance in the family. Jana opens up about the challenge of going to family event when you don’t have the best history with certain people.
We find out what happened to Jana in the past for her doctor to officially prescribe Mountain Dew.
Plus, we keep it together, even when the hormones are working against us!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Jana Kramer and iHeartRadio Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Ladies, are we lit to perfection?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
We are gonna try. Sometimes I just feel like somebody
the other day I was talking. I was at the
dance studio. That's my new life. Cat jump in the second. Anyways,
we don't really need to. But this woman was like
talking to another woman. She's like, you know, and then
I got a ring light like she was shameful, and
I just stopped her. I said, I don't want to.
I don't want to interrupt or even be in in
your conversation, but you deserve the ring light. And she
(00:32):
was like, thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I mean it does make me feel better.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
And I said, sis, at a certain level, you at
a certain age, you just deserve the lighting you deserve
and that's okay, So get what you need ring lights.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I feel like we should post a video on socials
and people should tell us what we should do to
make it better.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Listen, were they.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Just get more sun?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
So?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I mean, you know, if you guys want, there's spray
tan and stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I cannot I don't spray tan.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
But also there is a beautiful sun. You can get
some vitamin D.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
It's just I think that's it too, do I Yeah,
I put fifty on every day and I feel is like, yeah,
not ok you Ristine is still like a golden California pause.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
German skin, exactly. It gave me nice German skin. How's
everybody doing?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Great?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Real? I actually feel better, right, I know it's lovely
how I feel right now? What are you taking? I
did the blood cleaning thing that I was very scared about,
and I felt like even the next day. I texted
Nate and I said, is this placebo or Do I
feel better? And He's like, nope, You're going to continue
(01:46):
to feel better. He's on a mission. Oh that's so awesome. Yeah,
and I'm doing different testosterone ish things. Uh, you know,
the little melty. I always forget what that's called. But it
just metabolizes like testosterone without raising your estrogen as much.
So we're just gonna calm the estrogen. We're gonna get
me out of my own personal storm.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
Good.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
But I got a lot of messages, a lot of
women are like, I feel nuts. I'm like, oh, listen,
I'm certifiable. I would not have passed a psych exam
for the last two months. Well again, I think it's
just the trying to get the estrogen all I mean,
all all the things you know, and that's all goes
into hormones in wild this age. So I was exhausted
(02:30):
from like trying to keep it in the middle of
the road all day, my emotions. Just by the end
of the day, I'm like, I just got to go
to bed before I say something people can't forget, you know. Yeah,
I think it's that too, But it's also like sometimes
I'm like, is what am I low in? Because I'll
I'm so tired at the end of the day. But
I also have to remember, like it is, roman is
a handful and it's exhausting, and all the sports on
(02:52):
top of it. So it's it's a lot. Yeah, but
we're doing it. Yeah, Yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Are doing this. It's interesting.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I was just talking to a friend and who has
a teenager who she finally took her to the doctor
and was like, can you please just do panels because
things are not right? Yeah, And it's like it's so
interesting to me because even as a teenager that stuff
can be really off and nobody really checks for that,
you know. And then if you think like you're in
high school and you're dealing with all these emotions already
(03:19):
and then those you know, and it was it was
very similar like estrogen, you know that type stuff as
a teenager and I'm like, they don't even look at that,
you know, and it's so fascinating because think about how
crazy you felt and how like and then to be
a teenager on top of it and to like it
was just I know, I literally was like, I wish
that we could go get all of it. And we've
talked about that before, but we could get panels on
(03:41):
all of our children and check all of those things
and get that and check before you get to a point,
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I was just talking to Alan about this because I
can't remember how this came up, but we were talking
about back in the day, like high school stuff, and
I was telling them that I got y, I was
hyperga but that is like there was so much probably
more going on because of you know, not actually doing
proper level things back then, like that was you know,
(04:08):
not really available. But the doctor's advice to me, oh,
this is why because he had a mountain dew in
his car, and I said, wow, the mountain dew just
like brings me back to yeah, because he was he
was training and it was a really hot day and
so well I'll get to that. So yeah, he was
I'm like shocked, I know, but he was just craving
(04:28):
because his body was low in the sugar and stuff.
So but my doctor was like, have a mountain dew
every day at eleven because that would like help me
not pass out in school or be dizzy the sugar
because of the sugar. But I'm like, couldn't you have
told me to do like a fresh squeeze orange shorge juice?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, I could have, but that was orange juice, you guys.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
We were still a happle juice or like healthy sugars
instead of a mountain dew. But we were operating inside
the food pyramid at the time. Do you remember when
you had to eat like twelve servings of grains? And yes, I.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Bet like a little like a shot of mountain dew
probably brings you back so quick.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
But yeah, I just made me think of that, and
I was like, wow, that is sad that that was
what the doctor's advice was. Yeah, it is back in
the day you got dating ourselves. Wow, mountain that's crazy
prescribed by a doctor.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
What a time what you got?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
That is so funny that Alan had a mountain dew
and You're like, why I know?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I was like what I mean?
Speaker 5 (05:30):
I literally feel shocked, like I Alan is so I
knew he liked mountain dew.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Like that's the first time him or seen him drink
it over.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
We had a conversation one time about it. I feel like,
not that he it was something about it, like he
had never had it, or like what is it or something.
There was like a whole conversation about it. I feel
like maybe it was somebody else, but yeah, that was awesome.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, No, he was like it was it was one
of his players had it or something.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So yeah, I bet that helped quickly.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
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Speaker 3 (07:42):
Does anybody have a whine about it today?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I mean I do, Hey, I really want to talk
about it.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
But those are the ones we like the it's interesting
because well, by the time we listen to this, this
will have already happened.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
But yeah, but yeah, so I've never really I've talked.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
About like my issues with like my you know, past
with my mother and like stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Wait, sorry pause, have you ever talked to your mom
about talking about your mom on the podcast? So when
she called you that one day, you still didn't kind
of did not call her. She hasn't said, like, don't
talk about me. Do you think she still listens before
we go because we have said things on this podcast
we shouldn't say.
Speaker 10 (08:24):
Night here.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I forget how many people listen.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I don't know if she listens or she doesn't. Now
I have sat next to her in softball games for
the last couple of weeks, and I sit there and
I pray the whole time.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Do not bring it up? Do not bring it up?
Because I'm stuck here. What will I do? Where will
I go? But anyways, this actually isn't fully about her. Okay,
so great news. She's entangled in it.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Caculi Karen's like laughing about it.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Okay, we probably shouldn't laugh, but I laugh when I'm uncomfortable.
Let's say so. Oh, Basically, I've never really talked about
kind of like really my brothers and my relationship with them.
Jana knows a little bit about that, you know whatever,
But there's a lot there. But long story short, my
(09:14):
whine about it for this week is that one of
my brothers who we used to have a great relationship.
Everyone lives here, just so we're clear, everyone lives within
ten minutes of each other, maybe fifteen, but we don't
see them very often. Well, he is turning fifty and
my mother asks me at the last offball game. Actually,
(09:34):
she was like, what are we doing for his fiftieth birthday?
And I go, I don't know what y'all are doing.
And she was like, wait what? And I was like,
I mean, I don't know. Plan something and if we
can be there, we'll be there. So that kind of happens.
They planned something that's a dinner tonight.
Speaker 11 (09:52):
Again, Can I pause to ask a question, Yeah, does
it make you sad in that moment that you wouldn't
know what to plan or how to plan for your
own brother? No, because I'm not planning it, But do
you does it make you sad that you don't have
that relationship?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Not anymore because deep down probably yes, deep deep down
feel yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Is there a way that you can rekindle that.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Or talk to him about it or not anymore?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
It's been years of sit downs ending and got it
not good. So we've just decided that we will. Do
you pray about it?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I do pray about it, and we're still sitting where.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
We're sitting, So I don't know, or do you pray
for reconciliation?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
No, okay, I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Do you pray?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Do you pray about it?
Speaker 10 (10:37):
Well?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I just wonder like.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
And knowing that I had to kind of walk away
from it for my own there you go, my own,
my own self and my own family.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So this is where this kind of comes in.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You know, babature no coach, No, not the coach.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
No, not the coach. They live in our city. We
see them a lot more.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
So within this, my son, who is sixteen, sits down
with us and he's like, we're talking about plans for
tonight the other day, and he was like, why do
you not have a good relationship with them? I said, well,
let's talk about that, so and he was really interested,
like really wanted to hear. So I just went from
(11:21):
the beginning, not realizing he knows a lot of it.
He does know a lot of it, not realizing I
hadn't told him everything because this would have been years ago.
So there was a few things that he was like, whoa,
that happened, and that happened. I didn't realize that. So we're,
you know, kind of talking through it. But him being
the way that he is, you know, I was like,
so come to Tuesday and dinner and we do already
(11:43):
have plans. I could cancel the plans probably and we
could be there. But he was kind of like, well,
why would we do that, Like, why do we just
show up on Easter now, which we did, and all
the time, you know, we were kind of back and forth.
We would do friends stuff, we would not why do
we just show up?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Show up?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
And you know, Nick was like, well, because it's family,
and I said, we don't. Actually we don't. If friends
asked me to do something on that holiday and they
asked me first, and I want to be there, and
like we'll be there now if they ask and I say,
we'll be there, We'll honor that and we'll be there.
So we were just kind of talking through that. So
it just really got me thinking, not even to whine
(12:22):
about like the whole thing, but it really got me thinking, like, a,
was it okay for me to go through all of
that with my son? Was it okay to tell him
every little detail essentially that has kind of happened with us?
Like is that fair to put that on him? Is
that fair for him to know all of those details?
(12:44):
And then essentially he's not making his own opinion of
his family and making his own choice to go see them,
you know, I kind of started thinking, well, man, I've
kind of put this onto him now, and he's like, well,
why would we go see them?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Because you know?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
And so that that was one thing that just really
had me thinking a lot that night after I talked
to him, because I was like, is this fair to
my children?
Speaker 6 (13:05):
Like?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Should I just show up to all the things because
they're family?
Speaker 3 (13:12):
That's rhetorical because I don't know that answer. This is
literally something I think about probably every single day.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
If your family lived here.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I mean, we don't talk to them, we don't FaceTime,
we don't.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I wonder if you would you feel like they're.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Here and we don't, right, Like, I can't imagine if they.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Weren't here we definitely would not talk. Yeah, and I doubt.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I just think you have such a really good discernment,
I really do. I feel like you really are such
a level headed thinker that if you think that's something
he needed to know. I think it depends on the
type of what you're like reporting the things that you're
telling him. If you're like, he's a drug addict? Who?
Speaker 12 (13:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
You know what I'm saying. And I don't know all
of the things, but like, I think it's the type
of information. For example, I think of the lady at
the airport, remember how she was like that guy. I
think it's how you say it, and it's the information,
like the type of information, right, I think, right, it
would be what I would age appropriately, right, have a
(14:16):
you know Russian that piece of it.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Right, Like I wouldn't tell the girls all the details,
but I definitely I definitely told him all that. But
it wasn't in a yeah, it wasn't in like necessarily
a negative tone. It was more matter of fact and
this is what and a lot of it. And I
did finally kind of tell him this. You know, if
I'm being completely honest and I'm digging down deep, it's
not just these things that happened as adults. But I
(14:39):
also still have a lot of pent up resentment as
a child and being left by them as older brothers
and you know. And he was like, whoa you know?
And I was like, yeah, I mean, I'm just being honest, like.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
There is you have had conversations with him about this?
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure I talked about that when
we I mean Nick and I had so I had said,
neveral sit downs with his wife through the years, we
had several sit downs meet Nick, him and his wife,
and they never and it always was kind of I'm
the older brother, this is the way it's going to
go when everyone needs to fall in line.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
That was kind of the overriding.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
And that's just not me. What's the main issue? Is that?
Fair to ask her?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Y's okay, it's all about my mom.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
It all stems from from my mother and then childhood stuff.
The resentment is that he got up with him, he
up and left and he got out. I get that,
Like I understand that, Like it wasn't a healthy home situation.
When I go to college, like I'm out, I'm not
looking back, I'm not even like checking on you kind
of thing. That's kind of where the childhood resentment comes in.
(15:46):
But as we got older, it was y'all need to
fall in line with the mother issues. And before we
found out that she was a drug addict, it was
we need to give her money. Well, no, we're not
giving her money. No, no, no, you're you're you know,
and so it was kind of those kinds of things.
And we were really good friends, like we'd become adults
and we lived with them for a while, we'd become
really good friends.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
So it was a lot of that.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
And then it was a lot of we all had
three kids the same age, and a lot of them
getting really close and kind of leaving the third child out,
which would have been Caden, which we also then talked
about that.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
So it's a lot of stuff, and I feel fine
with where I'm at. I just now I'm kind of like, ma'am. Now,
I've got kids that are becoming adults soon, who are
getting older, and they don't really have relationships with those cousins.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Really, they do with their other cousins.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
But your question is basically their family, But at what
point do you not go You're going just because they're family,
not because you wanting to go, and so how does
that It's like, does it affect you more to go
or does it affect you more to stay. I think
that's the answer that you should ask yourself whether it's
family or not, because Alan will always be like they're
(16:56):
family at the end of the day. It's like it's
I'm like, yeah, but this person has hurt me. It's
it's your it's your this person or that like this
is this is your family, and I'm like but and
so that's always kind of like his motto I said,
but I think at some point, if the pain of
it being around that person is worse family or not,
you should have to endure that.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Yeah, And that is why I stopped going for a
long time, because I didn't like who I became there.
Speaker 10 (17:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yeah, because then I'd go to the family and I
would just sit there angry and in a corner by myself,
and I'm like, this is no fun for anyone, And
then they didn't like me even more because like, well
she's you know, like pissed off in the corner, you know.
So that is why I stopped. I think it doesn't
affect me as much anymore. So showing up every now
and then is fine.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Well, time, space, maturity. You've also done a lot of healing.
Do you feel like the kid part is still there
for you? Because I I think it is like he
didn't come back and left you guys, But I don't
want that to exist in your body anymore, Yeah, because
it feels like maybe misplaced.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Yeah, And I've dealt with that a lot in therapy
and stuff, and it is definitely one of those and
it's like I'll feel like I'm like good, you know,
with it, and then it'll just pop up at those
random times. I haven't thought about that in years, probably
at this point. But when I was talking to Caiden
and then I started getting deep into it, and I
was like, you know what, it was a really honest
(18:16):
conversation with my son, and he was asking a lot
of questions, so I was like, you know, I'm just
going to tell him like honestly, you know, And we
even talked about how, you know, kids can grow up
and have different ideas of what their childhood was, you know,
and stuff like that. So I mean, yes, I think
I've kind of gotten over it and understanding. I understand
(18:37):
why he did. But at the same time, I looked
at Cayden and I said, this is why I preface
so much like your relationship with your sisters. I know
Ramsey is like way far behind you, but when you
get up and go call and check on her, a
call would mean a lot, whether we're crazy or not crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
You don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
We could be crazy at home when it's just her
and you're gone, you don't check on her, call and
check on her, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
So I am I learned from that well.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
And hopefully that he will too. Right, you know, it's
like an honesty is right, it's honest. I almost think too,
it's like a I think like back to my big brother.
I think it's again. I can tell you if my
I don't think my brother ever called me until like
my middle like mid twenties, Like we didn't have a relationship,
(19:22):
you know. And I think it's the only reason we
have one now is because I'm the one calling.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
He's never ever just called me to say hi, what
happens though to the glue? Because I'm the glue and
I'm tired, That's that's the thing. And we haven't talked
because I'm like, why am I the only one that
calls to say hello.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
You get to a point where you're like don't want
to Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah, and now we're on like a two year hiatus.
So I talked to his wife more than anything, you know,
because we FaceTime just so I can just keep up
with my nieces and you know, nephew and stuff. But yeah,
when it comes to I'm like, it's as if you
don't want to put in the effort and energy. Why
am I I know? And it's not it's not an immaturity.
I don't I want anyone to miss hear what we're saying.
(20:03):
It's not about to me like, well I've done this
and you've done that. Like it's really just I can't.
I don't like who I am. Yeah, I do not
like who I am. I can tell that there is
a full line of feelings that come from his family
history and I'm trying to put out fires in a
passive aggressive way or and I just don't like it.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Yeah, And I think that's when I realized, you know,
when you start really becoming someone you don't want to become.
But yep, anyway, well, and there's a lot too. I mean,
you were the youngest, and you were at home and
maybe there's no there. But I think about that, and
I'm just like I think about like Ramsey thinking of
being at home and her brother and sister living their lives,
and if they don't check in or if they don't
(20:45):
see them, how that could make the hell that could make.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
It interesting though is and because again people can have
kind of the same situation, but I never for some reason.
And I'm thinking about this because like, my brother went
away to college right when my parents divorce, so it
was just me. I'm in the turmoil. He's not being like,
how are you? You know what I mean, how are you?
But I didn't. I'm not saying you put this on
your brother, but I just didn't put that on him.
(21:08):
I put it on my dad, you know what I mean.
So my resentment just went to my dad. Yeah, not
to my brother. My brother was just all right. He
went off to college and he left me in the desk.
But it wasn't he left me. He had to leave, right,
you know what I mean, Like he was going to
do a thing. But I wonder if it's easier for
you to give it to brother, because brother would be
easier than giving it to your mom in that point.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
No, I definitely.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
It's mostly to my mom, And it wasn't until later
in therapy where I kind of came to the realization
that I had a little bit of that resentment and
it was coming out in our adult issues.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Sure, so I don't well.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And I'll say to say this too, I always felt
bad for my brother growing up because he always got
the brunt of my dad's aggression. So that's where I
never so I always kind of like put him in
a bubble rap. He could do no wrong, right.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
And in my mind when I was little, you know,
she was obsessed with the boys. Nothing ever happened. Now
the middle one is the angel to her. They're the
same person. I love him, but they're the same person.
I though in my mind being young, he went off.
They treated him like an angel, he was gone. But
then I found out later as an adult that that
was not the case, that he was also not treated
(22:14):
very well and so he So I understand it, and
I see why. But to me at the same time,
I'm like, we could have connected over the fact younger
and earlier, and the fact that we were both being
treated that way, you know, But I also can't put
that on him.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I really family I know.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Sorry, that was a lot family.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Family. It's we could do, we could do an I know.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
I feel like, y'all, yeah, sorry, we go about families
a lot.
Speaker 12 (22:43):
No.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I just think we forget that we're the Sandwich generation.
They call us the Sandwich generation. We're healing what was
before us and trying to make sure that the after
us is And that is the conversation that I just
have with my mom. It's like things like, we're this
generation where we're the age that we're at, are uncovering
and discovering this and there's almost peace and talking about it.
(23:07):
I said, I actually got more. I have more empathy
for you, knowing the general that I'm not alone in
the generations of generations.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Sure, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
So it's like it's not just me, it's the generations,
and like I can actually just go okay, right right,
I don't love it, but okay, I feel right it
deft really feels less heavy, yeah, because I'm like, oh,
a lot of people okay, and so now you're going
to get flooded and then it'll be like okay, yeah, yep,
you know, and hopefully that maybe we'll take a little
yeah tinge off.
Speaker 10 (23:46):
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Speaker 12 (23:54):
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The reality of Greek life has been a mystery for
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Speaker 1 (24:05):
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is there something more scandalous happening on campuses across the country.
In this podcast, we pledge to feel back the layers
and spell out the truth, one Greek letter at a time.
Speaker 10 (24:17):
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Speaker 12 (24:25):
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Speaker 1 (24:32):
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Speaker 3 (25:19):
Millie Bobby Brown wanted to be a young mom. Head
of marriage to Jake, she announced that they had welcomed
their first child via adoption this week. While fans might
be surprised at the twenty one year old Stranger Things
star was so quick to grow her family following her
marriage in May twenty twenty four, a source tells people
that they've always been Brown's plan. She's so young, but
so focused, and she has the biggest heart. There's no
(25:41):
doubt that she's a great mom. Pretty Much everything she
sets her mind to, she crushes. They continued, and they
have really worked on creating this special family life in Georgia.
This summer, we welcomed our sweet baby girl through adoption.
We are beyond excited to embark on this beautiful next
chapter of parenthood, both peace and privacy. And then they
were three, so she's twenty one. So some thoughts stars
(26:06):
having kids as young isn't very common anymore. Do you
guys think them someone should live more life before becoming
a parent.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I had my first child at twenty five, which seemed
relatively young. Then I and I understand that we're in
different places, so this doesn't take away from I loved
having kids young. I absolutely loved it. I love being
kind of a younger mom with older kids, even though
(26:35):
it's hard because a lot of my friends don't have
the same age.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I absolutely love it.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I love being a little bit younger when I'm enjoying
all the high school stuff and you know, and stuff
like that. But I think it just completely depends on
the person and the personality. And I wanted kids young.
I didn't care to have all that extra time before.
But I completely understand so many people that do.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I just am glad I didn't have kids the person
I was with twenty one, Well that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
But I do think, like to Millie, like she's been
in the entertainment space for so long that she definitely
grew up fast. So I think she's probably wiser than
I was at twenty one and more mature. But yeah, same,
I mean at twenty one, I wouldn't have wanted to
be with the person that I went to Vegas with, so,
(27:29):
you know, but I you know, I do what works
for you, and if that's it's I think it's a
beautiful thing. I I again, I would probably even just
getting married young. I know a lot of kids are
getting married now, super young, twenty twenty one, and I'm
just like, I would never want my kids not to
marry the love of their life. But I will try
(27:51):
to speak, you know, waiting till you grow and mature
a little bit more personally, I will do I actually
was going to ask you that the other day because
I know that we're both on another marriage and I
don't know what I would do. I have friends who
have these boyfriend girlfriends that are like, I'm pretty sure
that they're going to ask to be married, and they're
like twenty right now. I'm like, wow, I just don't
(28:15):
I don't know how to I wouldn't know how to
parent that. Yeah, I mean, so much life after twenty Yeah, me,
that's wild. But I grew up in a you know,
in our the town that I was at, Like it's
prom engagement babies. I mean most every all of my friends.
I'm the oldest mom for sure by thirty three. When
I didn't have a baby, they were like, I don't
know that you can have children, Like it's a wild
(28:36):
So right, it's crazy, But I love that for her
if that's what she wants. Babies will grow you too. Oh, absolutely,
that's exciting. Maren Morris says fan grab my ass at
meet and greet, don't override someone's personal space. Speaking of off,
she was lugily groped during a recent meet and greet
with her fans. Hey y'all, tonight's show was fun, but
someone grabbed my ass during the meet and greet before
(28:58):
the show, she wrote on her Instagram, without identifying the individual.
I'm going to continue them because one person shouldn't ruin
it for everyone. Please know I'm there to connect, share, hug,
all the things, but please don't override someone's personal space.
Love you. I think it's one of those things where, yeah,
people can be inappropriate in those meet and greets. I've
(29:22):
I've I've had the many drunken country fans in a
meet and greet that haven't been the most appropriate. Uh
you know obviously the ones really can you kiss me?
And like that, I'm like, no, no, thank you. We've had.
I mean, obviously I don't meet and greet, but Preston does.
(29:44):
And there's been a lot of inappropriate mm hmm, like
a lot of inappropriate like a woman at one point
grabbing trying to grab his fronte. I know, like it
just I think there's just so much the level of
intoxication of alcohol. That's the thing. It's like, I don't
mind the hugs from my One Treehill convention people. They're
(30:04):
amazing and they're so sweet and there is like love
and heart. But when a drunk person is trying to
hug me at a meet and greet and they're hanging
on me and getting their sweaty armpits all over me,
that's where I'm like, I don't want this hug. This
doesn't feel nice. A sweet, loving One Tree Healer hug away.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I actually love to hug your stated Yeah yeah, well,
and that's hard because it's like you're expected to just
in a way you're inspected. Yeah, and like even if
you feel uncomfortable, it's almost like you can't. You don't
feel like you can say anything, and that's an unfortunate situation.
And getting grabbed in the butt, like come on, you know,
(30:39):
like is that really appropriate? Like and I understand it's
probably somebody that was drunk, but at the same time, like,
is that.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
You're just gonna grab some a stranger's they're.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
So in person and you know, a wife or a
husband or a mom or a dad. It's like, what
are you doing? Yeah, And just like that EPs hints
at a possible Carrie Bradshaw return after in three. I
feel like they're playing with their heartstrings a little bit here,
Sarah Jessica Parker. She was saying in an interview that
her character is alive, meaning a return could happen. But
(31:12):
I choose to believe this because I'm having a really
emotional time.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Because that is for sure done right and just like
that and just like that is for sure done, But
they're saying possibly something with Carrie.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I've also read some things that said that the reason
just like that is done is because there was a
little bit of a creative direction conflict and so maybe
that portion of it is just done. Which I did
you like the series finale? Okay? So I mean I
did at first. I wanted like him to come back
(31:46):
or something, But I also get why she. I loved
her last statement. I did too. She's on her own,
She's not alone. Yeah, I mean, like I love that.
I also just like where everybody gets left happy. I
think sometimes we leave like we don't get to wrap
much up with a bo anymore, and so just kind
of felt kind of them. I mean, we've spent twenty
seven years with these characters, like I want them to
(32:08):
be left happy. Everybody was smiling, and we didn't have
any definite direction where anyone was going, and that felt
okay too, but it also left it open for something. Sure.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Biggest headline we have though, is Taylor and Travis are engaged.
I am over the zoon wedding will be in insane, insane,
in beautiful. I can't even imagine. It's like the Royal
princess getting married, you know what I'm saying though, Like
it's like I wonder, will she watched us just shock
us all and just go get married and we don't
(32:39):
even know that would actually be.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I was so funny. Yeah, I think y'all think y'all
get to be a part of this.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I love a person's happy ending. Yeah, I've been together
a couple of years. Yeah, it's definitely been a couple
of years at this point. I'm excited it's overdue.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I liked their the when she was on his podcast. Yeah,
and I'm not Yeah, it was all of that was
very cute. I like the way it was done and
the things that she said.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I enjoyed. Are you a Taylor Swift fan?
Speaker 12 (33:06):
Now?
Speaker 4 (33:07):
I don't know that I would say. I mean, I
can appreciate her. I can appreciate her.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
That's her closet, Taylor Swifty.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I actually really like.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I definitely appreciate her as a business woman, hands down,
without a doubt. Never you know, I might not necessarily
listen to all the music, but but.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I really like how they did that podcast with her
on there.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, I thought it was great. It was well done,
but it was really good. I hey there, I'm a
mom of three, and lately I've been feeling like I'm
constantly stuck in the role of referee. My kids age four,
nine and thirteen. Bick er NonStop and it's draining the
joy out of our family time. I'd love to know
how you encourage sibling connection and cut down on the
constant fighting. Do your kids actually get along and if not,
how do you deal with it without losing your mind?
(33:50):
I feel like I could have written this question. It
has been NonStop at our house. Oh really fighting big
east yep. I feel like I got really lucky. Jolie
and Jason hardly fight. I mean, they'll get on each
other in the summer at the very end of like
a long break, but they're I mean, like a long
time like together, but they really do. They play legos
(34:14):
at night together. Like I feel pretty lucky. We're trying.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I did.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
I had a pretty obvious realization the other day. Legend's
just really missing data. Summer is just really hard, and
he acts out so much when he misses data. He
just does it is like it is it is just
zero to one thousand. He loses his emotions. So I
(34:40):
actually just this morning got on the treadmill and I
started listening. I'd already read Raising Emotionally Well Boys by
David Thomas, who I think just hung the Moon. He
is freaking incredible. But I started listening to it again
today because I think what I've noticed most about when
they bicker is when they're not each getting what they
need from a parent, So mind fight more and hopefully
(35:03):
they shed some light. Like almost always one on one
time with them changes their bickering. It's like their tanks
aren't full so they can't get along.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Yeah, so that's what I was going to say. I mean,
my kids are the same age differences as this woman's
obviously older, but the same gaps and age and mine
truly have never really fought. Having said that, and I
was thinking through this as you were talking, they are
very almost separate a lot. Oh, and they always kind
(35:36):
of have been because of their sports. You know, when
Ramsey was little, she would stay with someone while we
went to football or and Emmy was, you know, at cheer.
There's a lot of kind of separation so that when
they do kind of come together, they're coming together now
more and as friends like Kayden and Emmy are now
like friends and it's fun. You know, it's a middle
(35:58):
almost high schooler and a high schooler and they're you know,
and Ramsey's starting to grow up and not being kind
of the annoying little sister anymore now, like she's kind
of slowly getting into the mix.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
But I do think that I had a lot to
do with it. For us.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
You don't really have the luxury of getting that one
on one time a lot, I'm sure, yeah, because you
kind of have because you kind of always have all
three of them, and right or wrong or just just different.
I do think that's why mine have not bickered as much,
because it's not a constant. And I'm sure yours are
(36:33):
together all the time, so that isn't the same for her,
But I do believe for us it has been that
they it's just we're kind of go, go go, but
different places.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
A lot of it. Well, we even do school together
three days a week, sure.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
And that's a lot to think about being with anyone
all the time like that, you know, So if you
think about that, that's where the bickering can easily come in.
And then as they get older and they spend more
time in their rooms and doing their separate things, and
that kind of changes the dynamic too. But I just
think that that one on one time can really change.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
And listen, it's not like my kids are perfect like
this morning, you know, obviously Julie was giving Jason luck apparently,
and he's like, well, you give me that look, and
he's just like, I'm not giving you a luck, you know.
And I'm like, say one nice thing about each other,
and that's what I make them do, like every single time.
I'm like, and they always say the same thing, You're
funny and then like she has good hair? Yeah, like okay,
but yeah, yeah, I'm like, but that's usually how it
(37:27):
snaps them out of it, right, right, But like the
they're kids. I mean, god, my brother was we thought
all the time sane growing up. Same, I mean we
I don't think we became friends until after his college,
So yeah, there's hope.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
How far apart were y'all three? Oh wow?
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I think I do think, Like I
can notice right now specifically it is legend needing it
and so he's instigating. He just needs attention, right, He
doesn't care if it's good or bad. Mm identify one
on one. Yeah, Well, ladies, until next week, Bye bye
Wind Down with Jana Kramer and iHeartRadio Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Ladies, are we lit to perfection?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
We are gonna try. Sometimes I just feel like somebody
the other day I was talking. I was at the
dance studio. That's my new life. Cat jump in the second. Anyways,
we don't really need to. But this woman was like
talking to another woman. She's like, you know, and then
I got a ring light like she was shameful, and
I just stopped her. I said, I don't want to.
I don't want to interrupt or even be in in
your conversation, but you deserve the ring light. And she
(00:32):
was like, thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I mean it does make me feel better.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
And I said, sis, at a certain level, you at
a certain age, you just deserve the lighting you deserve
and that's okay, So get what you need ring lights.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
I feel like we should post a video on socials
and people should tell us what we should do to
make it better.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Listen, were they.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Just get more sun?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
So?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I mean, you know, if you guys want, there's spray
tan and stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I cannot I don't spray tan.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
But also there is a beautiful sun. You can get
some vitamin D.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
It's just I think that's it too, do I Yeah,
I put fifty on every day and I feel is like, yeah,
not ok you Ristine is still like a golden California pause.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
German skin, exactly. It gave me nice German skin. How's
everybody doing?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Great?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Real? I actually feel better, right, I know it's lovely
how I feel right now? What are you taking? I
did the blood cleaning thing that I was very scared about,
and I felt like even the next day. I texted
Nate and I said, is this placebo or Do I
feel better? And He's like, nope, You're going to continue
(01:46):
to feel better. He's on a mission. Oh that's so awesome. Yeah,
and I'm doing different testosterone ish things. Uh, you know,
the little melty. I always forget what that's called. But it
just metabolizes like testosterone without raising your estrogen as much.
So we're just gonna calm the estrogen. We're gonna get
me out of my own personal storm.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
Good.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
But I got a lot of messages, a lot of
women are like, I feel nuts. I'm like, oh, listen,
I'm certifiable. I would not have passed a psych exam
for the last two months. Well again, I think it's
just the trying to get the estrogen all I mean,
all all the things you know, and that's all goes
into hormones in wild this age. So I was exhausted
(02:30):
from like trying to keep it in the middle of
the road all day, my emotions. Just by the end
of the day, I'm like, I just got to go
to bed before I say something people can't forget, you know. Yeah,
I think it's that too, But it's also like sometimes
I'm like, is what am I low in? Because I'll
I'm so tired at the end of the day. But
I also have to remember, like it is, roman is
a handful and it's exhausting, and all the sports on
(02:52):
top of it. So it's it's a lot. Yeah, but
we're doing it. Yeah, Yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Are doing this. It's interesting.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I was just talking to a friend and who has
a teenager who she finally took her to the doctor
and was like, can you please just do panels because
things are not right? Yeah, And it's like it's so
interesting to me because even as a teenager that stuff
can be really off and nobody really checks for that,
you know. And then if you think like you're in
high school and you're dealing with all these emotions already
(03:19):
and then those you know, and it was it was
very similar like estrogen, you know that type stuff as
a teenager and I'm like, they don't even look at that,
you know, and it's so fascinating because think about how
crazy you felt and how like and then to be
a teenager on top of it and to like it
was just I know, I literally was like, I wish
that we could go get all of it. And we've
talked about that before, but we could get panels on
(03:41):
all of our children and check all of those things
and get that and check before you get to a point,
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I was just talking to Alan about this because I
can't remember how this came up, but we were talking
about back in the day, like high school stuff, and
I was telling them that I got y, I was
hyperga but that is like there was so much probably
more going on because of you know, not actually doing
proper level things back then, like that was you know,
(04:08):
not really available. But the doctor's advice to me, oh,
this is why because he had a mountain dew in
his car, and I said, wow, the mountain dew just
like brings me back to yeah, because he was he
was training and it was a really hot day and
so well I'll get to that. So yeah, he was
I'm like shocked, I know, but he was just craving
(04:28):
because his body was low in the sugar and stuff.
So but my doctor was like, have a mountain dew
every day at eleven because that would like help me
not pass out in school or be dizzy the sugar
because of the sugar. But I'm like, couldn't you have
told me to do like a fresh squeeze orange shorge juice?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, I could have, but that was orange juice, you guys.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
We were still a happle juice or like healthy sugars
instead of a mountain dew. But we were operating inside
the food pyramid at the time. Do you remember when
you had to eat like twelve servings of grains? And yes, I.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Bet like a little like a shot of mountain dew
probably brings you back so quick.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
But yeah, I just made me think of that, and
I was like, wow, that is sad that that was
what the doctor's advice was. Yeah, it is back in
the day you got dating ourselves. Wow, mountain that's crazy
prescribed by a doctor.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
What a time what you got?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
That is so funny that Alan had a mountain dew
and You're like, why I know?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I was like what I mean?
Speaker 5 (05:30):
I literally feel shocked, like I Alan is so I
knew he liked mountain dew.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Like that's the first time him or seen him drink
it over.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
We had a conversation one time about it. I feel like,
not that he it was something about it, like he
had never had it, or like what is it or something.
There was like a whole conversation about it. I feel
like maybe it was somebody else, but yeah, that was awesome.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, No, he was like it was it was one
of his players had it or something.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
So yeah, I bet that helped quickly.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
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Speaker 3 (07:42):
Does anybody have a whine about it today?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I mean I do, Hey, I really want to talk
about it.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
But those are the ones we like the it's interesting
because well, by the time we listen to this, this
will have already happened.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
But yeah, but yeah, so I've never really I've talked.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
About like my issues with like my you know, past
with my mother and like stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Wait, sorry pause, have you ever talked to your mom
about talking about your mom on the podcast? So when
she called you that one day, you still didn't kind
of did not call her. She hasn't said, like, don't
talk about me. Do you think she still listens before
we go because we have said things on this podcast
we shouldn't say.
Speaker 10 (08:24):
Night here.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I forget how many people listen.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I don't know if she listens or she doesn't. Now
I have sat next to her in softball games for
the last couple of weeks, and I sit there and
I pray the whole time.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Do not bring it up? Do not bring it up?
Because I'm stuck here. What will I do? Where will
I go? But anyways, this actually isn't fully about her. Okay,
so great news. She's entangled in it.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Caculi Karen's like laughing about it.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Okay, we probably shouldn't laugh, but I laugh when I'm uncomfortable.
Let's say so. Oh, Basically, I've never really talked about
kind of like really my brothers and my relationship with them.
Jana knows a little bit about that, you know whatever,
But there's a lot there. But long story short, my
(09:14):
whine about it for this week is that one of
my brothers who we used to have a great relationship.
Everyone lives here, just so we're clear, everyone lives within
ten minutes of each other, maybe fifteen, but we don't
see them very often. Well, he is turning fifty and
my mother asks me at the last offball game. Actually,
(09:34):
she was like, what are we doing for his fiftieth birthday?
And I go, I don't know what y'all are doing.
And she was like, wait what? And I was like,
I mean, I don't know. Plan something and if we
can be there, we'll be there. So that kind of happens.
They planned something that's a dinner tonight.
Speaker 11 (09:52):
Again, Can I pause to ask a question, Yeah, does
it make you sad in that moment that you wouldn't
know what to plan or how to plan for your
own brother? No, because I'm not planning it, But do
you does it make you sad that you don't have
that relationship?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Not anymore because deep down probably yes, deep deep down
feel yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Is there a way that you can rekindle that.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Or talk to him about it or not anymore?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
It's been years of sit downs ending and got it
not good. So we've just decided that we will. Do
you pray about it?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I do pray about it, and we're still sitting where.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
We're sitting, So I don't know, or do you pray
for reconciliation?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
No, okay, I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Do you pray?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Do you pray about it?
Speaker 10 (10:37):
Well?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I just wonder like.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
And knowing that I had to kind of walk away
from it for my own there you go, my own,
my own self and my own family.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So this is where this kind of comes in.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
You know, babature no coach, No, not the coach.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
No, not the coach. They live in our city. We
see them a lot more.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
So within this, my son, who is sixteen, sits down
with us and he's like, we're talking about plans for
tonight the other day, and he was like, why do
you not have a good relationship with them? I said, well,
let's talk about that, so and he was really interested,
like really wanted to hear. So I just went from
(11:21):
the beginning, not realizing he knows a lot of it.
He does know a lot of it, not realizing I
hadn't told him everything because this would have been years ago.
So there was a few things that he was like, whoa,
that happened, and that happened. I didn't realize that. So we're,
you know, kind of talking through it. But him being
the way that he is, you know, I was like,
so come to Tuesday and dinner and we do already
(11:43):
have plans. I could cancel the plans probably and we
could be there. But he was kind of like, well,
why would we do that, Like, why do we just
show up on Easter now, which we did, and all
the time, you know, we were kind of back and forth.
We would do friends stuff, we would not why do
we just show up?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Show up?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
And you know, Nick was like, well, because it's family,
and I said, we don't. Actually we don't. If friends
asked me to do something on that holiday and they
asked me first, and I want to be there, and
like we'll be there now if they ask and I say,
we'll be there, We'll honor that and we'll be there.
So we were just kind of talking through that. So
it just really got me thinking, not even to whine
(12:22):
about like the whole thing, but it really got me thinking, like, a,
was it okay for me to go through all of
that with my son? Was it okay to tell him
every little detail essentially that has kind of happened with us?
Like is that fair to put that on him? Is
that fair for him to know all of those details?
(12:44):
And then essentially he's not making his own opinion of
his family and making his own choice to go see them,
you know, I kind of started thinking, well, man, I've
kind of put this onto him now, and he's like, well,
why would we go see them?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Because you know?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
And so that that was one thing that just really
had me thinking a lot that night after I talked
to him, because I was like, is this fair to
my children?
Speaker 6 (13:05):
Like?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Should I just show up to all the things because
they're family?
Speaker 3 (13:12):
That's rhetorical because I don't know that answer. This is
literally something I think about probably every single day.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
If your family lived here.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I mean, we don't talk to them, we don't FaceTime,
we don't.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I wonder if you would you feel like they're.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Here and we don't, right, Like, I can't imagine if they.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Weren't here we definitely would not talk. Yeah, and I doubt.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I just think you have such a really good discernment,
I really do. I feel like you really are such
a level headed thinker that if you think that's something
he needed to know. I think it depends on the
type of what you're like reporting the things that you're
telling him. If you're like, he's a drug addict? Who?
Speaker 12 (13:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
You know what I'm saying. And I don't know all
of the things, but like, I think it's the type
of information. For example, I think of the lady at
the airport, remember how she was like that guy. I
think it's how you say it, and it's the information,
like the type of information, right, I think, right, it
would be what I would age appropriately, right, have a
(14:16):
you know Russian that piece of it.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Right, Like I wouldn't tell the girls all the details,
but I definitely I definitely told him all that. But
it wasn't in a yeah, it wasn't in like necessarily
a negative tone. It was more matter of fact and
this is what and a lot of it. And I
did finally kind of tell him this. You know, if
I'm being completely honest and I'm digging down deep, it's
not just these things that happened as adults. But I
(14:39):
also still have a lot of pent up resentment as
a child and being left by them as older brothers
and you know. And he was like, whoa you know?
And I was like, yeah, I mean, I'm just being honest, like.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
There is you have had conversations with him about this?
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure I talked about that when
we I mean Nick and I had so I had said,
neveral sit downs with his wife through the years, we
had several sit downs meet Nick, him and his wife,
and they never and it always was kind of I'm
the older brother, this is the way it's going to
go when everyone needs to fall in line.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
That was kind of the overriding.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
And that's just not me. What's the main issue? Is that?
Fair to ask her?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Y's okay, it's all about my mom.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
It all stems from from my mother and then childhood stuff.
The resentment is that he got up with him, he
up and left and he got out. I get that,
Like I understand that, Like it wasn't a healthy home situation.
When I go to college, like I'm out, I'm not
looking back, I'm not even like checking on you kind
of thing. That's kind of where the childhood resentment comes in.
(15:46):
But as we got older, it was y'all need to
fall in line with the mother issues. And before we
found out that she was a drug addict, it was
we need to give her money. Well, no, we're not
giving her money. No, no, no, you're you're you know,
and so it was kind of those kinds of things.
And we were really good friends, like we'd become adults
and we lived with them for a while, we'd become
really good friends.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
So it was a lot of that.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
And then it was a lot of we all had
three kids the same age, and a lot of them
getting really close and kind of leaving the third child out,
which would have been Caden, which we also then talked
about that.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
You know.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
So it's a lot of stuff, and I feel fine
with where I'm at. I just now I'm kind of like, ma'am. Now,
I've got kids that are becoming adults soon, who are
getting older, and they don't really have relationships with those cousins.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Really, they do with their other cousins.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
But your question is basically their family, But at what
point do you not go You're going just because they're family,
not because you wanting to go, and so how does
that It's like, does it affect you more to go
or does it affect you more to stay. I think
that's the answer that you should ask yourself whether it's
family or not, because Alan will always be like they're
(16:56):
family at the end of the day. It's like it's
I'm like, yeah, but this person has hurt me. It's
it's your it's your this person or that like this
is this is your family, and I'm like but and
so that's always kind of like his motto I said,
but I think at some point, if the pain of
it being around that person is worse family or not,
you should have to endure that.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Yeah, And that is why I stopped going for a
long time, because I didn't like who I became there.
Speaker 10 (17:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yeah, because then I'd go to the family and I
would just sit there angry and in a corner by myself,
and I'm like, this is no fun for anyone, And
then they didn't like me even more because like, well
she's you know, like pissed off in the corner, you know.
So that is why I stopped. I think it doesn't
affect me as much anymore. So showing up every now
and then is fine.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Well, time, space, maturity. You've also done a lot of healing.
Do you feel like the kid part is still there
for you? Because I I think it is like he
didn't come back and left you guys, But I don't
want that to exist in your body anymore, Yeah, because
it feels like maybe misplaced.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Yeah, And I've dealt with that a lot in therapy
and stuff, and it is definitely one of those and
it's like I'll feel like I'm like good, you know,
with it, and then it'll just pop up at those
random times. I haven't thought about that in years, probably
at this point. But when I was talking to Caiden
and then I started getting deep into it, and I
was like, you know what, it was a really honest
(18:16):
conversation with my son, and he was asking a lot
of questions, so I was like, you know, I'm just
going to tell him like honestly, you know, And we
even talked about how, you know, kids can grow up
and have different ideas of what their childhood was, you know,
and stuff like that. So I mean, yes, I think
I've kind of gotten over it and understanding. I understand
(18:37):
why he did. But at the same time, I looked
at Cayden and I said, this is why I preface
so much like your relationship with your sisters. I know
Ramsey is like way far behind you, but when you
get up and go call and check on her, a
call would mean a lot, whether we're crazy or not crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
You don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
We could be crazy at home when it's just her
and you're gone, you don't check on her, call and
check on her, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
So I am I learned from that well.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
And hopefully that he will too. Right, you know, it's
like an honesty is right, it's honest. I almost think too,
it's like a I think like back to my big brother.
I think it's again. I can tell you if my
I don't think my brother ever called me until like
my middle like mid twenties, Like we didn't have a relationship,
(19:22):
you know. And I think it's the only reason we
have one now is because I'm the one calling.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
He's never ever just called me to say hi, what
happens though to the glue? Because I'm the glue and
I'm tired, That's that's the thing. And we haven't talked
because I'm like, why am I the only one that
calls to say hello.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
You get to a point where you're like don't want
to Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Yeah, and now we're on like a two year hiatus.
So I talked to his wife more than anything, you know,
because we FaceTime just so I can just keep up
with my nieces and you know, nephew and stuff. But yeah,
when it comes to I'm like, it's as if you
don't want to put in the effort and energy. Why
am I I know? And it's not it's not an immaturity.
I don't I want anyone to miss hear what we're saying.
(20:03):
It's not about to me like, well I've done this
and you've done that. Like it's really just I can't.
I don't like who I am. Yeah, I do not
like who I am. I can tell that there is
a full line of feelings that come from his family
history and I'm trying to put out fires in a
passive aggressive way or and I just don't like it.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Yeah, And I think that's when I realized, you know,
when you start really becoming someone you don't want to become.
But yep, anyway, well, and there's a lot too. I mean,
you were the youngest, and you were at home and
maybe there's no there. But I think about that, and
I'm just like I think about like Ramsey thinking of
being at home and her brother and sister living their lives,
and if they don't check in or if they don't
(20:45):
see them, how that could make the hell that could make.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
It interesting though is and because again people can have
kind of the same situation, but I never for some reason.
And I'm thinking about this because like, my brother went
away to college right when my parents divorce, so it
was just me. I'm in the turmoil. He's not being like,
how are you? You know what I mean, how are you?
But I didn't. I'm not saying you put this on
your brother, but I just didn't put that on him.
(21:08):
I put it on my dad, you know what I mean.
So my resentment just went to my dad. Yeah, not
to my brother. My brother was just all right. He
went off to college and he left me in the desk.
But it wasn't he left me. He had to leave, right,
you know what I mean, Like he was going to
do a thing. But I wonder if it's easier for
you to give it to brother, because brother would be
easier than giving it to your mom in that point.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
No, I definitely.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
It's mostly to my mom, And it wasn't until later
in therapy where I kind of came to the realization
that I had a little bit of that resentment and
it was coming out in our adult issues.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Sure, so I don't well.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And I'll say to say this too, I always felt
bad for my brother growing up because he always got
the brunt of my dad's aggression. So that's where I
never so I always kind of like put him in
a bubble rap. He could do no wrong, right.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
And in my mind when I was little, you know,
she was obsessed with the boys. Nothing ever happened. Now
the middle one is the angel to her. They're the
same person. I love him, but they're the same person.
I though in my mind being young, he went off.
They treated him like an angel, he was gone. But
then I found out later as an adult that that
was not the case, that he was also not treated
(22:14):
very well and so he So I understand it, and
I see why. But to me at the same time,
I'm like, we could have connected over the fact younger
and earlier, and the fact that we were both being
treated that way, you know, But I also can't put
that on him.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I really family I know.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Sorry, that was a lot family.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Family. It's we could do, we could do an I know.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
I feel like, y'all, yeah, sorry, we go about families
a lot.
Speaker 12 (22:43):
No.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I just think we forget that we're the Sandwich generation.
They call us the Sandwich generation. We're healing what was
before us and trying to make sure that the after
us is And that is the conversation that I just
have with my mom. It's like things like, we're this
generation where we're the age that we're at, are uncovering
and discovering this and there's almost peace and talking about it.
(23:07):
I said, I actually got more. I have more empathy
for you, knowing the general that I'm not alone in
the generations of generations.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Sure, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
So it's like it's not just me, it's the generations,
and like I can actually just go okay, right right,
I don't love it, but okay, I feel right it
deft really feels less heavy, yeah, because I'm like, oh,
a lot of people okay, and so now you're going
to get flooded and then it'll be like okay, yeah, yep,
you know, and hopefully that maybe we'll take a little
yeah tinge off.
Speaker 10 (23:46):
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Speaker 12 (23:54):
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Speaker 1 (24:05):
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Speaker 10 (24:17):
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Speaker 12 (24:25):
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Speaker 3 (25:19):
Millie Bobby Brown wanted to be a young mom. Head
of marriage to Jake, she announced that they had welcomed
their first child via adoption this week. While fans might
be surprised at the twenty one year old Stranger Things
star was so quick to grow her family following her
marriage in May twenty twenty four, a source tells people
that they've always been Brown's plan. She's so young, but
so focused, and she has the biggest heart. There's no
(25:41):
doubt that she's a great mom. Pretty Much everything she
sets her mind to, she crushes. They continued, and they
have really worked on creating this special family life in Georgia.
This summer, we welcomed our sweet baby girl through adoption.
We are beyond excited to embark on this beautiful next
chapter of parenthood, both peace and privacy. And then they
were three, so she's twenty one. So some thoughts stars
(26:06):
having kids as young isn't very common anymore. Do you
guys think them someone should live more life before becoming
a parent.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I had my first child at twenty five, which seemed
relatively young. Then I and I understand that we're in
different places, so this doesn't take away from I loved
having kids young. I absolutely loved it. I love being
kind of a younger mom with older kids, even though
(26:35):
it's hard because a lot of my friends don't have
the same age.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I absolutely love it.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
I love being a little bit younger when I'm enjoying
all the high school stuff and you know, and stuff
like that. But I think it just completely depends on
the person and the personality. And I wanted kids young.
I didn't care to have all that extra time before.
But I completely understand so many people that do.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I just am glad I didn't have kids the person
I was with twenty one, Well that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
But I do think, like to Millie, like she's been
in the entertainment space for so long that she definitely
grew up fast. So I think she's probably wiser than
I was at twenty one and more mature. But yeah, same,
I mean at twenty one, I wouldn't have wanted to
be with the person that I went to Vegas with, so,
(27:29):
you know, but I you know, I do what works
for you, and if that's it's I think it's a
beautiful thing. I I again, I would probably even just
getting married young. I know a lot of kids are
getting married now, super young, twenty twenty one, and I'm
just like, I would never want my kids not to
marry the love of their life. But I will try
(27:51):
to speak, you know, waiting till you grow and mature
a little bit more personally, I will do I actually
was going to ask you that the other day because
I know that we're both on another marriage and I
don't know what I would do. I have friends who
have these boyfriend girlfriends that are like, I'm pretty sure
that they're going to ask to be married, and they're
like twenty right now. I'm like, wow, I just don't
(28:15):
I don't know how to I wouldn't know how to
parent that. Yeah, I mean, so much life after twenty Yeah, me,
that's wild. But I grew up in a you know,
in our the town that I was at, Like it's
prom engagement babies. I mean most every all of my friends.
I'm the oldest mom for sure by thirty three. When
I didn't have a baby, they were like, I don't
know that you can have children, Like it's a wild
(28:36):
So right, it's crazy, But I love that for her
if that's what she wants. Babies will grow you too. Oh, absolutely,
that's exciting. Maren Morris says fan grab my ass at
meet and greet, don't override someone's personal space. Speaking of off,
she was lugily groped during a recent meet and greet
with her fans. Hey y'all, tonight's show was fun, but
someone grabbed my ass during the meet and greet before
(28:58):
the show, she wrote on her Instagram, without identifying the individual.
I'm going to continue them because one person shouldn't ruin
it for everyone. Please know I'm there to connect, share, hug,
all the things, but please don't override someone's personal space.
Love you. I think it's one of those things where, yeah,
people can be inappropriate in those meet and greets. I've
(29:22):
I've I've had the many drunken country fans in a
meet and greet that haven't been the most appropriate. Uh
you know obviously the ones really can you kiss me?
And like that, I'm like, no, no, thank you. We've had.
I mean, obviously I don't meet and greet, but Preston does.
(29:44):
And there's been a lot of inappropriate mm hmm, like
a lot of inappropriate like a woman at one point
grabbing trying to grab his fronte. I know, like it
just I think there's just so much the level of
intoxication of alcohol. That's the thing. It's like, I don't
mind the hugs from my One Treehill convention people. They're
(30:04):
amazing and they're so sweet and there is like love
and heart. But when a drunk person is trying to
hug me at a meet and greet and they're hanging
on me and getting their sweaty armpits all over me,
that's where I'm like, I don't want this hug. This
doesn't feel nice. A sweet, loving One Tree Healer hug away.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I actually love to hug your stated Yeah yeah, well,
and that's hard because it's like you're expected to just
in a way you're inspected. Yeah, and like even if
you feel uncomfortable, it's almost like you can't. You don't
feel like you can say anything, and that's an unfortunate situation.
And getting grabbed in the butt, like come on, you know,
(30:39):
like is that really appropriate? Like and I understand it's
probably somebody that was drunk, but at the same time, like,
is that.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
You're just gonna grab some a stranger's they're.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
So in person and you know, a wife or a
husband or a mom or a dad. It's like, what
are you doing? Yeah, And just like that EPs hints
at a possible Carrie Bradshaw return after in three. I
feel like they're playing with their heartstrings a little bit here,
Sarah Jessica Parker. She was saying in an interview that
her character is alive, meaning a return could happen. But
(31:12):
I choose to believe this because I'm having a really
emotional time.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Because that is for sure done right and just like
that and just like that is for sure done, But
they're saying possibly something with Carrie.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I've also read some things that said that the reason
just like that is done is because there was a
little bit of a creative direction conflict and so maybe
that portion of it is just done. Which I did
you like the series finale? Okay? So I mean I
did at first. I wanted like him to come back
(31:46):
or something, But I also get why she. I loved
her last statement. I did too. She's on her own,
She's not alone. Yeah, I mean, like I love that.
I also just like where everybody gets left happy. I
think sometimes we leave like we don't get to wrap
much up with a bo anymore, and so just kind
of felt kind of them. I mean, we've spent twenty
seven years with these characters, like I want them to
(32:08):
be left happy. Everybody was smiling, and we didn't have
any definite direction where anyone was going, and that felt
okay too, but it also left it open for something. Sure.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Biggest headline we have though, is Taylor and Travis are engaged.
I am over the zoon wedding will be in insane, insane,
in beautiful. I can't even imagine. It's like the Royal
princess getting married, you know what I'm saying though, Like
it's like I wonder, will she watched us just shock
us all and just go get married and we don't
(32:39):
even know that would actually be.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
I was so funny. Yeah, I think y'all think y'all
get to be a part of this.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I love a person's happy ending. Yeah, I've been together
a couple of years. Yeah, it's definitely been a couple
of years at this point. I'm excited it's overdue.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I liked their the when she was on his podcast. Yeah,
and I'm not Yeah, it was all of that was
very cute. I like the way it was done and
the things that she said.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I enjoyed. Are you a Taylor Swift fan?
Speaker 12 (33:06):
Now?
Speaker 4 (33:07):
I don't know that I would say. I mean, I
can appreciate her. I can appreciate her.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
That's her closet, Taylor Swifty.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I actually really like.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
I definitely appreciate her as a business woman, hands down,
without a doubt. Never you know, I might not necessarily
listen to all the music, but but.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I really like how they did that podcast with her
on there.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, I thought it was great. It was well done,
but it was really good. I hey there, I'm a
mom of three, and lately I've been feeling like I'm
constantly stuck in the role of referee. My kids age four,
nine and thirteen. Bick er NonStop and it's draining the
joy out of our family time. I'd love to know
how you encourage sibling connection and cut down on the
constant fighting. Do your kids actually get along and if not,
how do you deal with it without losing your mind?
(33:50):
I feel like I could have written this question. It
has been NonStop at our house. Oh really fighting big
east yep. I feel like I got really lucky. Jolie
and Jason hardly fight. I mean, they'll get on each
other in the summer at the very end of like
a long break, but they're I mean, like a long
time like together, but they really do. They play legos
(34:14):
at night together. Like I feel pretty lucky. We're trying.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
I did.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
I had a pretty obvious realization the other day. Legend's
just really missing data. Summer is just really hard, and
he acts out so much when he misses data. He
just does it is like it is it is just
zero to one thousand. He loses his emotions. So I
(34:40):
actually just this morning got on the treadmill and I
started listening. I'd already read Raising Emotionally Well Boys by
David Thomas, who I think just hung the Moon. He
is freaking incredible. But I started listening to it again
today because I think what I've noticed most about when
they bicker is when they're not each getting what they
need from a parent, So mind fight more and hopefully
(35:03):
they shed some light. Like almost always one on one
time with them changes their bickering. It's like their tanks
aren't full so they can't get along.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Yeah, so that's what I was going to say. I mean,
my kids are the same age differences as this woman's
obviously older, but the same gaps and age and mine
truly have never really fought. Having said that, and I
was thinking through this as you were talking, they are
very almost separate a lot. Oh, and they always kind
(35:36):
of have been because of their sports. You know, when
Ramsey was little, she would stay with someone while we
went to football or and Emmy was, you know, at cheer.
There's a lot of kind of separation so that when
they do kind of come together, they're coming together now
more and as friends like Kayden and Emmy are now
like friends and it's fun. You know, it's a middle
(35:58):
almost high schooler and a high schooler and they're you know,
and Ramsey's starting to grow up and not being kind
of the annoying little sister anymore now, like she's kind
of slowly getting into the mix.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
But I do think that I had a lot to
do with it. For us.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
You don't really have the luxury of getting that one
on one time a lot, I'm sure, yeah, because you
kind of have because you kind of always have all
three of them, and right or wrong or just just different.
I do think that's why mine have not bickered as much,
because it's not a constant. And I'm sure yours are
(36:33):
together all the time, so that isn't the same for her,
But I do believe for us it has been that
they it's just we're kind of go, go go, but
different places.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
A lot of it. Well, we even do school together
three days a week, sure.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
And that's a lot to think about being with anyone
all the time like that, you know, So if you
think about that, that's where the bickering can easily come in.
And then as they get older and they spend more
time in their rooms and doing their separate things, and
that kind of changes the dynamic too. But I just
think that that one on one time can really change.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
And listen, it's not like my kids are perfect like
this morning, you know, obviously Julie was giving Jason luck apparently,
and he's like, well, you give me that look, and
he's just like, I'm not giving you a luck, you know.
And I'm like, say one nice thing about each other,
and that's what I make them do, like every single time.
I'm like, and they always say the same thing, You're
funny and then like she has good hair? Yeah, like okay,
but yeah, yeah, I'm like, but that's usually how it
(37:27):
snaps them out of it, right, right, But like the
they're kids. I mean, god, my brother was we thought
all the time sane growing up. Same, I mean we
I don't think we became friends until after his college,
So yeah, there's hope.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
How far apart were y'all three? Oh wow?
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I think I do think, Like I
can notice right now specifically it is legend needing it
and so he's instigating. He just needs attention, right, He
doesn't care if it's good or bad. Mm identify one
on one. Yeah, Well, ladies, until next week, Bye bye
Host
Jana Kramer
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